The Padres were the most active buyer at the 2020 trade deadline — arguably of any trade deadline in recent history — reshaping their roster with additions of Mike Clevinger, Austin Nola, Trevor Rosenthal, Mitch Moreland and Jason Castro, among others. The dizzying sequence of additions hearkened back to the days when Matt Kemp labeled A.J. Preller a “rock star” GM during Preller’s frenetic first offseason on the job, but the biggest trades swung by the Padres over the weekend didn’t necessarily come together in straightforward fashion.
Preller, in fact, was informed Sunday evening that his Padres were “out” of the Clevinger bidding, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (via Twitter). The Indians told the Padres that they were sitting on a better offer and likely to proceed in another direction. That call prompted the club to reconvene and alter its package, ultimately adding infield prospect Owen Miller and catcher Austin Hedges early Monday morning. Those pieces put San Diego’s offer over the top, it seems, as word of Clevinger’s trade to the Friars was out several hours before the 4pm ET deadline.
Hedges and Miller, the final two pieces of the Padres’ six-player package, added quite a bit more near-term value to the arrangement. Hedges is considered one of the best defensive catchers (if not the best) in the game and is controlled through the 2022 season. The 23-year-old Miller has yet to make his big league debut, but he slashed .290/.355/.430 in a full season at the Double-A level last year while playing three infield positions. He’s in Cleveland’s player pool now and could conceivably be an option this month. If not, he’ll certainly be in consideration for a call to the big leagues come 2021. With Cesar Hernandez playing on a one-year deal, it’s possible that Miller could be in the mix for regular playing time next season.
But the Clevinger blockbuster wasn’t the only Friars swap that required some persistent iterations. Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto told reporters after trading Nola, Austin Adams and Dan Altavilla to the Padres that he didn’t expect to trade Nola this summer (as opposed to Taijuan Walker, whom the M’s fully anticipated moving).
“They had called repeatedly on Austin Nola and we had repeatedly rebuffed that interest until the return just became too big for us to pass up in our minds,” Dipoto said Monday (link via MLB.com’s Greg Johns).
The key element of the trade for the Mariners was getting both infielder Ty France and outfield prospect Taylor Trammell in the deal. Dipoto didn’t hide his affinity for either player, revealing that he’s contacted the Padres on France repeatedly over the past couple seasons and been similarly drawn to Trammell dating all the way back to the 2016 draft. “As many phone calls as A.J. made to me this last week about Austin Nola, I have made as many to him over the last couple of years regarding Ty France,” said Dipoto.
With Nola and Castro now on hand, the Padres have completely remade their catching tandem midseason, but changes could yet be coming. The Athletic’s Dennis Lin reports (subscription required) that the club is contemplating a September promotion for 21-year-old Luis Campusano — a top-ranked catching prospect who was an in-demand piece himself at this year’s deadline. Per Lin, both the Indians and Rangers asked the Padres about Campusano in trade negotiations, but the Friars clearly weren’t inclined to include him in a deal. Cleveland initially sought Campusano and Luis Patino as centerpieces in the Clevinger deal, while the Rangers were interested in that pair as well as shortstop CJ Abrams when discussing Lance Lynn and Joey Gallo with the Padres.
The 21-year-old Campusano has yet to play above Class-A Advanced, but he tore through the pitcher-friendly California League last year, slashing .325/.396/.509 (148 wRC+). If the Padres do bring him up, they could rotate him, Nola and Castro through the catcher slot while maximizing Nola’s versatility with reps at any of first base, second base, third base or the outfield corners.
Suffice it to say, we could’ve seen any number of permutations of the Padres’ deluge of deals this past week. Such is the nature of a win-now team with a deep farm system. The club’s minor league system undoubtedly took a hit with this wave of trades, but San Diego also managed to hang onto the majority of its top-ranked prospects while clearly placing themselves in a better competitive position both now and into at least the 2022 season, after which Clevinger is scheduled to become a free agent.
The rangers gm is a complete moron. His #1 tool for establishing trade value must be Mlb.com top 100 prospect list.
Or Fangraphs top 100 list
Actually Bot I have it under good sources that he uses mostly Braves fans from the comment section of MLBTR- apparently they have the most creative trade ideas
Isn’t this an article about the Padres GM?
BTW, just so you know, most fans hate their GM. They’re over blamed when guys don’t work out and under appreciated when they do.
It is, BUT, the article does incorporate info from an athletic piece discussing the Rangers and lynn.
It’s sort of fair game.
Smytds- The Mariners’ Jerry Dipoto not only gets stick from his own fans, he is much hated by Angels fans too! This is his 5th season w Seattle- they still spew vile hate on the comments section of any Mariners article! You’re spot-on mate
Pretty sure Mariners fans are kind of into trader Jerry. Angels fans should place their blame squarely on Moreno and not his GMs.
Most Seattle fans don’t hate Jerry and it makes it more sweet the Angel fans do hate him.
If you ask Indian fans they like their GM and hate their owner.
There has to be a negative effect by adding so many new faces mid season. Changing everyone’s roles ect…Padres got good value, even w clevinger but still the amount of new faces has to lead to some discontent in the club house. Be interesting to see how much better the Padres get
It’s possible that there could be personality conflicts but when a team is in it and winning I would imagine that the overall player moral is high. It’s when your losing does the drama escalate and problems occur. Plus there are a lot of veterans in that club house who I think will police up the negative juju.
The value of prospects is at an all time high in this game. It use to always cost a haul of prospects to acquire a quality player. That ended with the adam eaton trade but prior to that- most the trades went the other way where it was way more prospect value than on the field value. GMs taking advantage of that swing are wise. Today more than ever- most prospects don’t pan out and many times the small amount of time you have the acquired asset is more valuable than a career of a prospect. Take chances and go for it !
The thing about baseball is all of the “team chemistry” goes out the window when it is just you alone in the batter’s box. Doesn’t matter how much you like the guy in the hole, he isn’t gunna help you hit.
Unlike in the NBA or the NFL where the play of the person next to you directly impacts your role. That doesn’t really happen in baseball. LF is LF. Hitting 5th is hitting 5th. Doesn’t really change when you add a new guy into the mix.
Unless you play for the astros Steve. Who knows who controls buzzers and such and helps the others cheat.
I only partially agree. If you hate your teammates and are miserable every day, it’ll probably affect your play. If your teammates are some of your best friends, your mind will be clearer when you’re up to bat. Stress does have an impact on most people’s competence, albeit subconsciously.
The guy on deck or in the hole can’t help you hit — but you can certainly help him hit by passing on some tips on the pitches you’re seeing on your way back to the dugout after your strikeout. Communication helps a lineup. It’s not just about relaying pitch movement or pitch patterns, but also if the pitcher or catcher is tipping anything or even occasionally what the defense is doing.
The guy on deck can most certainly help you hit.
Batting in front Mike Trout will mean you get better pitches to hit since no pitcher wants guys on base when Trout’s batting.
Batting in front of the pitcher is the complete opposite.
Of course it doesn’t matter if Trout is your best buddy or not in terms of making you better,his mere presence does that.
Oh yeah when Mets added Uribe,Kelly Johnson and Cespedes the players were upset that management was going for it…..
2-0 so far … two easy wins. Rosenthal has tweeted multiple times how great it is.
Well, the Padres won the first 2 games after the trades. So there is that.
Flipping over 33% of your roster with a month to go. What could go wrong!?
Commonsenseeslapsyou:33% of your roster?
Only France,Quantrill,Hedges and Naylor were on the ML roster.
And none were everyday players.
Love to hear how that equates to 1/3 the roster.
Oh thank you mr padre for answering like that so I can be a jerk and not care
Congrats, you counted how many players they traded away!
Now moron, count how many they added. And how many guys lost their spot even if they weren’t traded. SPOILER. That’s all turnover!!!!
Lmao then best part is undershot the turnover and you still tried to come at me. I only counted the 8 guys they acquired. Their roster is 26.
Truly if we are talking turnover, we should count the 8 acquired+4 sent out+ 4 more who lost their spots. That’s 16 people affected. 16/26 is 61.5%
Thanks for trying to be a dk while being laughably wrong. It makes it more fun
Actually only 6 acquired players are on the active roster. Not 8. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/sd, if you need to count.
And who is upset about being replaced? The 2 catchers that are no longer on the team? France and Naylor, also no longer on the team, are upset about being replaced by Moreland as the DH? Are you suggesting that Yates is pissed off they got someone else to close while he is on the IL and out for the season? Or the bullpen that had been covering the 5th spot in the rotation is pissed the Clevinger is taking it over?
Not a third of the team. And please explain, which Padres players on the active roster have a reason to be upset about one of the new guys? I wouldn’t be so quick to call someone else laughably wrong – he is a lot closer to correct than you are.
You know as a Padres fan I’m glad to see Preller and the Padres ownership trying to Win. For years we would ship out players once they could make a profit and that’s how business was conducted it wasn’t about winning. This new approach is what we fans have been wanting for years and I couldn’t be more excited to watch these boys play.
Why didn’t the Indians insist on patino even after the padres said no to campusano?
I’m selling a car. You think the car is worth $8,ooo. I say it is worth $12,000. You say I am not gunna pay more than $8,000. I insist that if you wont pay $12,000 you will have to pay $11,000. What would you do?
In negotiations, if you say something is off the table and the other side keeps trying to get it, it comes across as slimy and disrespectful. Most people wont deal with someone who is slimy and disrespectful.
Keep in mind that, the Pads also had, Lynn available and I am sure if negotiations fell through with Clev, the would have gone after Lynn instead.
My guess is the “better offer” bit was a stunt to try and get a last minute bump in packages. May have even sent that same message to everyone.
With the deadline coming fast it was pull the trigger or get nothing.
I think Cleveland did well and got a problem out of their clubhouse.
For san diego, no hard feelings from any of their guys towards clevenger yet. No baggage there creating clubhouse trouble.
Probably bc the padres would ask asked for more in return
Because they already got the Padres to bid against themselves once and doing it twice risks SD pulling out.
So…the Padres got played
Don’t really see it that way considering they got who they wanted and didn’t give up any of their top 5 prospects or any MLB players of major consequence.
How did they get played? They got rid of a really bad catcher an average 3rd baseman a no glove first baseman a left field prospect who cannot hit? They did really well
well thats one way to phrase the package. Lots of people like Ty France, Hedges has his value w the glove, Naylor can be a solid role player, possibly a bat-first regular, and it wasn’t too long ago Trammell was one of the top prospects in the sport. Plus lots to like about Quantril.
The deal could go either way for both sides
Hedges is not a bad catcher. He can’t hit but he’s not a bad catcher.
Nola is a very good hitter. For the last year and a half he is a top 3 hitting catcher in MLB. His defense is solid and he has many years left through arbitration. Please don’t say a player has value as a glove when there is so many great defensive players that are bench players.
What happens when robot umps are in play?
Hedges is useless. If you want to steal a strike now hedges is where you go. Future bye
The true gem in those trades was Owen Miller and Gabriel arias
Arias yes. Miller is a future utility guy.
Now, the Indians may turn Quantrill into a gem.
MLB implementing robot umps is some galaxy brain speculation.
The gems were Naylor and Cantillo. Arias isnt good. Miller certainly isnt
Cantillo? The soft tossing lefty who was able to dominate low a?
Gabriel arias a five tool short stop
Naylor a no glove anything
Miller has never stopped hitting to include college. A short stop by trade with a weaker arm that is able to play all over the infield
Cal a solid relief option who struggles with starting
The Indians view their catcher and the catching position as a glove first, second and only.. Any offense is a plus.. and a huge bonus.. For this reason, Bebo Perez is revered at the corner of Carnegie and Ontario. Hedges, if his reputation is followed on with results.. will see that same reverance..
Well earned, I might add..
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
In today’s game most teams require offense from every single position. But to each his own.
Roberto Perez is one of the reasons that the Indians pitching is so good.
Hedges when he arrived was shocked on how much preparation the Indians catchers and pitchers put in on a daily bases. Hedges said that he ready to watch and learn everything that he can. Yes, defense at catcher is an Indian organizational choice. With their success at pitching team wide, why would anyone argue about it. For example, Bieber was not highly touted like Gore is, but the Padres would love it if Gore becomes as good as Bieber already is. The Indians are a winning organization. Perhaps, more teams should follow their path.
Hedges is the literally THE BEST defensive catcher, though.
I am not sure that I would attribute all of Bieber’s tremendous success to the Indians organizational thinking. I mean, Lamet was far less heralded than Bieber and he has done pretty well. Hand and Yates were on the verge of going from pro baseball players to working at Burger King and then became all stars. Every team has had pitchers that looked like nothing who have become very good. The Indians have had quite a run of developing good pitching, but I am not sure they have discovered the “secret formula.”
HES THE BEST DEFENSIVE CATCHER IN BASEBALL with multiple seasons of control. With a extremely young pitching staff
HOLY HELL. That’s A HUGE VALUE. stop minimizing it because he’s not a prospect
Arc, Nola has been a very good hitter for 30 games and above average for a season and 30 games
Padre fans are like the Angels front office. Only matters what happened in the past!
Roberto Perez won the AL Gold Glove in 2019 and did not have a passed ball last season. He is a great defensive catcher..
Javia, I did not say that. What I am saying is that the Indians see what their pitchers are good at and provide them a great deal of support. Whether they have success or not, of course, also depends on the player using that support. What I am saying is that being a top prospect does not always ensure success. If Gore ends up as good as Bieber, they should be happy.
Padres458:Arias isn’t good?
Wow….you don’t follow the minor leagues do you?
Arias is a premiere defensive SS that is not a very good hitter.
Only because the Padres have Tatis and now Cronenworth was Arias even available.
The Indians wanted him to take Lindor place after the season….but sure,he’s terrible.
I agree hockeyjohn. It is just that there are a few fans who think that the Indians can make anyone into a Cy Young contender.
@commonsenseslapsyou-the Padres will be ecstatic if Nola provides just above average offense from now on!
And defensive player of the year
Roberto Perez was defensive player of the year last year….but hedges is good too.
You have to look at the model that they Indians use when evaluating pitchers. Control is what they look for. Bieber and Civale both fit that mold. They look at other teams systems and find gems. Kluber and Clevenger were both considered throw in players on other trades. Cleveland knows what they are going with pitchers. I’ll put it this way, Cleveland has not spent money on a big name free agent pitcher since 2013 and they have had three Cy Young performances.
@debugga what’s more important: Championships or years of control?
MikeEmbleton, The control that debugga was talking about was about the pitchers’ control, his ability to throw strikes and be around the plate and not walking a lot of batters.
In that case, yeah. The two things I want the most in my pitchers are 1. Throw strikes and 2. Limit hard contact.
Just look at their current rotation. They’re onto something. Civale, plesac Nd Bieber were taken in the same draft. They know what type of pitcher they want and how to develop them. I think both quantrill and Cantillo will excel because they are in the right sustem.
Indians have not bought a free agent starter since 2013. There current rotation has four drafted pitchers. The Padres have one and their bullpen is nearly the same. Yo can’t compare
Two. Lamet and Paddack. With Patino, Morejon and Gore on standby.
I thought Trammell was a pretty big price for the return. I know what you mean but buying a 12 oz bottle of Daisani water for $20 is still pretty expensive even if you can afford it.
If you believe Trammell can hit and play center then it’s a big price. I don’t think the Reds nor the Padres believe either at this point.
because the Indians told them they had a better offer and it sounds they actually didnt. Hedges and Miller were given up for nothing
How does “it sound like they actually didn’t” have a better offer? The Indians could have easily had a better offer from the Braves and/or another team, but when Preller & Co. added Hedges and Miller that trumped their offers. They could have gone back to those clubs said another team (the Padres) now had a better offer and they weren’t comfortable adding more.
And saying that 2 players who happened to now be blocked in San Diego are “nothing” may be a bit much. And if they are “nothing”, who cares that Preller & Co. added them?
Agree. There’s no indication that the Indians were lying about the better offer.
It was a better offer until the addition of Hedges, redundant after acquiring Nola, and Miller, who looks like a Greg Garcia type. Valuable, yes, and could be more than that, but far from irreplaceable.
Sounds like? Sounds like a presumptive guess pulled out of your backside.
it was. probably just a misread on my part. just something about how its wrote that they were “told” that there was a better offer rather then the article simply saying there was a better offer on the table. im probably wrong but that’s just the initial feel it gave me.
Clubs do their due diligence, these guys talk. They probably had somewhat of an idea of who the other suitors were and somewhat of an idea as to what the other offer may be.
I was told that this trade was very close to even on the baseball trade value calculation. Teams always want premium prospects in return for their most valuable assets. I cannot see that the Padres would ever trade Paddack or Tatis for a collection of Aaron Brachos and Bryan Rocchios, no matter how many the Indians threw in. You can say that the Padres didn’t have to give up Hedges and Miller but I just cannot see the Indians actually trading Clevinger for just Quantrill, Naylor, Arias and Cantillo.
Dark, you’re not alone. Padre fans just don’t want to think they got played
They got played
The bid against themselves twice
Sure they didn’t give up the top of the farm. But that doesn’t mean you should gut most of what you’re willing to trade PLUS multiple major league assets
Their two biggest deals they got played by 2 GMs. And fans are celebrating it. Wow. Only Padres fans
Do you people not realize how much extra value Preller gave up btwn the 4 extra pieces added above? Eesh
Just another barstool GM talking out of his rear end.
i dont know what this has to do with being a barstool GM. I think the package was a fair one. just the way i read it it seemed like it the Indians were trying to convince the Padres to offer more rather then actually having another better offer on the table.
“If the A’s non-tender Jurickson Profar, whoever signs him has to pay him whatever he was projected to get in arbitration” XD XD XD
Nola can also play short stop in a pinch and was a short stop coming up through the minors
Props to them for going for it. I’m sure the Friar fans are happy they’ll have something to cheer for. I personally would’ve stopped at Castro, clevinger and Nola.
Rosenthal and Moreland were added before the trades that brought on the 3 guys you mention. The Padres really needed some back end help with Pagan and Stammen struggling this year and Yates going down to injury. It also sounds like the Padres expect big things from Austin Adams when he returns for his own injury, hopefully soon. Also, Moreland could be a huge get as he has been raking this year and the Padres weren’t really getting a whole lot of production form the DH spot.
Preller did an amazing job of thinning the farm system. There’s only room for the top 40 players in the organization and a lot of prospects were reaching rule 5 eligibility in the next couple years. That was a terrific problem for the Padres to have
Thinning the farm system is kind of a misspeak. They dropped from 2nd to 3rd.
that does usually tend to be a big drop though. usually there is a bigger difference between the first and second or second and third systems then two in the middle of the pack. also i really think “consolidating assets” better defines his actions.
No, thinning is appropriate I think. When you thin trees or crops you remove the weaker or (less/un)desirable pieces so the rest grow better.
Sometimes it’s also a selective harvest to maximize value, but also technically a thinning.
Preller cut weaker and unnecessary pieces that didn’t fit the organizational strategy. You can’t stuff 65 guys on the 40 man to protect them from rule 5. At some point you have to thin the herd and commit to certain guys
Baseball America said they’ll be closer to too 10 than top 5 when they do their re report. That was after Clevinger trade on MLBN interview
The beginning of this article is just Bob Nightengale trying to defend his bad deadline predictions.
What the article doesn’t say – is that the Padres were/are facing a huge roster deadline crunch. Most of the players were either blocked or were facing being offered on the rule 5 deadline. Yeah, the farm system is deep but you can only keep those guys on the farm so long and times is up for lots of these guys. Preller turned his trash into treasure – at just the right time for a WS run. Woohoo.
For everyone yelling that the Indians should’ve received a better package for Clev I hear you, but I think most fans are severely discounting the package the Tribe got back in return. This could really be a franchise altering haul they’ve received back.
There weren’t any marquee players or prospects on the way back (Patino, Grisham, Cronenworth, Abrams, or Campusano specifically) but if there were they certainly wouldn’t have pried Quantrill or Naylor or Arias. If Preller trades one of those high value guys the volume goes down drastically. The Indians had a lot of holes to fill and want to compete long term with a low salary, this is exactly the kind of trade they needed to go for.
There certainly is a world in which Naylor lives up to his ++raw power and him and another former Padre in the Franimal anchor that lineup for years to come. Think an 850-900 OPS with slightly below average defense. It might not be the thumper they needed right now to plug into their line-up, but he certainly has the potential to become one.
Quantrill is nasty with a high first round pedigree (some say he reached, but without the TJ his draft year he was in conversation for 1-1). The Indians can do their Indian voodoo and turn this guy into a serviceable #3 with potential for more or leave him in the pen and he becomes a right handed Josh Hader.
Cantillo is exactly the kind of arm the Indians like in their system that somehow turns into a star seemingly out of nowhere. Projectable frame, some good stuff, good command and big league personality. There’s a legitimate chance Cantillo turns into a Clevinger type arm in a few years. I suspect most teams had Cantillo rated higher than the prospect websites do.
Arias has all the talent in the world and isn’t intimidated or bullied by big league pitching as evidence by his great showing in spring training. Definitely sticking at SS and has star potential. I was really hoping the Indians were going to find a way to keep Lindor around long term, but it just seems unlikely and Arias’ timeline fits perfectly.
Miller is near ready now and could carve out a very nice career as a .750 OPSish hitter that can play 2B very well and all around the diamond in a pinch. If he gains a little bit of power he’ll be great.
Hedges is Hedges, but they do love their defense first catchers. He does have a good stick in there somewhere, and if he gets to a .650 OPS he’s a great starter with his defensive prowess. I think Hedges was a great change of scenery candidate and needed some new coaches to look at his swing and approach in the box.
It might not be the flashiest of packages, but I think the Tribe did well here. I personally don’t think you should trade an arm of Clevinger’s caliber without the opposing team overpaying for said arm, but they felt they needed to move him for whatever dumb reason (we have enough pitching, he’s gonna’ be pricey the next two years, his COVID hiccup) and thought the offers were good enough to take the package now rather than wait until the offseason (which I think they should have done).
I’ve seen so many Indians fans being really dramatic about the trade and I definitely understand, but this is quite the package that could really fortify the Tribe for a couple years if just one or two of these guys get close to their potential.
its a lot of role players and upside plays over the type of top prospects that typically are sent in trades for guys of Clev’s abilities.
That said, Cleveland is one of those teams that could end up with 3-4 quality regulars out of this deal
Give a man a fish, eats for a day. Teach him to fish, he eats as long as he manages the stock.
Successful resource challenged teams like Cleveland passed on one or two pricey vets along the way and invested that money into some great training, support, etc programs.
I honestly think there’s a couple clubs that can take a prospect that would flame/wash out elsewhere and make something of them if they claim them early enough. Cleveland is one.
Tribe knows when and how to deal. They will always be a competitive team.
A post this long needs to start with, “Call me Ishmael.”
I saw a white whale you might be interested in… for a finder’s fee, of course.
Cantillo is exactly the kind of prospect that can and does become the kind of pitcher the Indians covet.. and appears to be about the same situation as when, at the trading deadline in 2010, the Indians looked at their starting staff and decided.. we need to bring in a younger guy that we can have ready in a year or two.. So, the Indians, with an aging Jake Westbrook, sent him, some cash (to cover a trade bonus of some kind) to St Louis who sent another guy (don’t recall who) and Ryan Ludwick to the Padres..who sent Corey Kluber to the Indians.. The most common reaction by cleveland fans to the trade was
Corey made it to the MLs the following year (2011) for three starts.. Corey did a little better thing the following year (2012) by getting into a bit over ten starts..The only consistency was.. Kluber’s FIP surpassed his ERA.. Whoopty doo.. It was after being in the Indians system for two plus years.. that he had a coming out party..at his age 26/27 season… and that starts the rest of the story..
Cantillo is just like Corey.. not quite good enough to be considered a ML pitcher.. has some native ability to spin a ball.. has above average feel for finding and keeping whatever he’s throwing in the part of the strike zone (or just out of it) that he wants.. In short.. he’s a Cleveland kind of guy.. Cantillo may not find his way to the north coast until his age 24 year.. but, if he remains healthy.. works at his craft.. and learns from the Cleveland coaching staff.. watch out…
W/R to Quantrill?.. he’s just a flat out beast that will now be taught how to REALLY pitch.. He wouldn’t get that in San Diego..
I guess those poor Padres just don’t know how to train pitchers. Of course Dinelson Lamet was a nobody free agent when the Padres signed him. Chris Paddack was an 8th rounder. Luis Patino was signed as a position player, as was Javy Guerra. Brad Hand and Kirby Yates were nobodies. The Padres seem to have done alright with them. Maybe, just maybe the Indians aren’t the only team that can develop pitchers?
Let’s see them be successful for 5 years in a major league rotation not 15 starts lmfao
No one ever flames out after the minor leagues or a quick start in the majors. No one… hahaha. Delusional
So I guess nobody should be excited about Bieber, Civale, Plesac and Mackenzie on the Indians? Or Buehler, May or Urias on your Dodgers? In that case the only good starter your team has is Kershaw! I mean Price, besides not playing this year he is clearly far past his prime. Stripling doesn’t have 5 years of starting experience either.
Or does your “5 year” thing only count when we are talking about the Padres?
You can say it applies to May and Gonsolin. Of course it does. Buehler to an extent but he’s on year 3 of very high level production. Oh and 3 playoff runs and a game 163 win. I think he quite close to proven
Urias is coming off an injury, has 3 years of bullpen time and in his first year in the rotation. As long as he’s healthy end of year it’s a win
Your Padres have less than 2 years most guys, and many have ~30 days. You really trying to compare here?
Give the league time to watch their starts and construct a game plan. Like paddack v LAD. He was fine last year. And this year we put him over a barrel. You really think he’s still an ace right now? You sure thought so over the offseason. Mr 4.5 ERA isn’t very ace-like. Now you like Lamet. What happens when teams start taking his change up… the point is you don’t know
You wanna pick 3 years, 4 years, 5 years idc. The question Is the how do you do after the league adjusts to you? None of your homegrown Padres arms can answer that successfully atm
I enjoy using your own players to prove my points. Thanks for making that easy
What happens when teams start taking Lamet’s changeup commonsenseslapsyou? Absolutely nothing. Do you know why? Because he doesn’t throw a changeup anymore! Check brooks baseball.net. He has not thrown one in 2020. He is a 2 pitch pitcher.
Is Taylor Trammel formerly known as Bubba Trammel?
No! but good one hahaha
We kept our future boys, let’s roll!
Let’s wait and see if trading the farm for Moreland and Clevinger makes a difference. They traded a portion of the future for guys that don’t put them over the top, IMO
Sometimes it’s the deals you don’t make…
“Trading the Farm”?
They went from ranked 2nd to ranked 3rd first of all.
Second…they only traded two of their top ten.
Lastly,only Quantrill and Cantillo May have had a “future” with the Padres as everyone else was blocked and Cantillo is still several years away.
Trading the Farm…..nah.