The latest from Anaheim…
- J.A. Happ is receiving consideration from the Angels and other teams, MLB Networks’ Jon Paul Morosi tweets. It stands to reason that the Angels are looking at just about every starting pitcher available as they try to upgrade their rotation, and given the team’s injury history with pitchers, a durable veteran arm like Happ would seem to be of particular interest. Happ posted a 3.47 ERA, 7.7 K/9, and 2.80 K/BB rate over 49 1/3 innings with the Yankees last season, and though advanced metrics weren’t as enamored with his work, Happ would still appear to have something to offer a team as he enters his age-38 season. Morosi notes that new Angels GM Perry Minasian was working in the Blue Jays front office when Toronto traded for Happ during the 2012 season and when the Jays signed Happ as a free agent in the 2015-16 offseason.
- “Pathetic” was how Shohei Ohtani bluntly described his 2020 season, during a revealing interview with Yuichi Matsushita of the Kyodo News. Ohtani struggled in both facets of his game, hitting just .190/.291/.366 over 175 PA and allowing seven runs over 1 2/3 innings pitched (37.80 ERA) before being shut down from mound duty due to a flexor strain. “More than thinking how (the team) couldn’t use me or how frustrating it was, the hardest part was thinking I couldn’t produce,” Ohtani said. “If I could, I would compile better numbers, get more playing time and wouldn’t feel useless. I was frustrated I couldn’t get it done, and that was the hardest….I’d pretty much never experienced the feeling of wanting to do something but being completely unable to do it.” Ohtani was returning to pitching after Tommy John surgery kept him off the mound in 2019, and he admitted to feeling “different” while pitching post-procedure, saying “I’ll think I want to do something a certain way, but sometimes I can’t.” The Angels are surely hoping Ohtani can get back to form with a more normal offseason that doesn’t include rehab or the stop-and-start nature of last year’s preseason training, as both his bat and his arm are sorely needed.
- In other recent Angels news, the team added top prospects Brandon Marsh and Chris Rodriguez to the 40-man roster — details on that decision here.
Happ is a guy who is only good in his walk years
He was alright in all his years with the Jays. What are you talking about? Won 20 games in 2016
Yeah Happ was pretty solid in both Jays stints from what I can remember. Numbers back it up too
I don’t see evidence to support that statement.
His only two walk years were 2015 and 2018
3.2 and 3.3 WAR seasons
He did have a club option for 2015 in 2014, where he had a 1.1 WAR
And he had a vesting option for 2021 that he didn’t meet in a 1.2 shortened season.
His best seasons – 2016 and 2009 (by WAR)
2016 was his first year under a new contract and 2009 he was still pre arbitration
JFactor.
His peripherals are awful. 4.57 ERA the last two years with a FIP of over 5. If the Angels sign him, I would lose a lot of faith in this new GM.
The Angels only have 30 million to spend and to waste 6 or 7 million on Happ would be a mistake.
“The Angels only have 30m to spend” is complete nonsense.
No, it’s not.
Just remember Arte Moreno is a lot like the past Mets regime of the Wilpons with meddling.
The GM might want one thing but the owner does what he wants. Its why both organizations, although big markets, have a hard time finding good execs. Or in the Mets case HAD a hard time. Now it’s the place to be with this new billionaire owner.
Why is it hogwash? Are they going to go over the cap? If so, then maybe a few million more. But 30 million is a very reasonable projection based past season’s salaries.
Say what you want about Moreno, but he was still the owner through the most successful stretch in Angel History.
The Angels have finished with the best record in baseball once. Arte was the owner. The Angels have won 100 games once. Arte was the owner.
they at least $60M below the cap, pending arbitration raises and FA signings. The Angels 2021 salary so far is $148,188,094 and the tax threshold is $210M…
Baseball Reference has their payroll at 160 million. It was 180 last year before the “mess”. Do you think they are going to 200 million? Maybe. I thought 190 was optimistic.
We’ll see.
Who cares about WAR. Tired of all this analytics crap
Most of the guys who sign the paychecks care about it…
WAR is decent for comparing players but the idea that it’s this be all end all statistic is an internet thing. It’s like three layers of abstractions rolled up into a burrito
I mean WAR isn’t as good a Sierra or Fip so you got that much kinda good
WAR is math. If you don’t like math, don’t use it but it’s a solid method to evaluate performance. Yes, it’s imperfect, but so is everything else.
Every. Single. Team. Cares.
No, it’s not a “solid method to evaluate performance”.
Then what is it?
Yes, it is solid. It’s far from being perfect. it’s far from being an end-all-be-all but it is solid.
Top ten pitchers in Angel History WAR.
Finley.
Ryan
Witt
Weaver
Tanana
Lackey
Langston
Chance
McCaskill
Abbott
Solid.
If you don’t like analytics and WAR then you’re either too ignorant to understand the statistics or too ignorant to try. Analytics are a thing because they’re far more accurate than the old eye test in evaluating players. The days of RBI and AVG being the big stats are done, get over it.
WAR is based on historical records of the various aspects of the game that contribute or detract from success. It’s not magic or voodoo.
RBI is a stat that correlates weakly with an individual’s contribution to success and is very dependent on context. Why do leadoff hitters generally have lower RBI totals that cleanup hitters? Opportunity, mostly.
Childish insults about someone living in their mom’s basement don’t help and reflect poorly on those who write them.
That’s my own opinion, parroting no one.
But they are far more accurate. Jose Abreu, Eddie Rosario, Eduardo Escobar Eric Hosmer, Albert Pujols, Rougned Odor and Asdrubal Cabrera all had 90+ RBI’s in 2019. Bryan Reynolds, Trea Turner, Tommy Pham, Jeff McNeil, Francisco Lindor, Joc Pederson, Mookie Betts and Nick Castellanos all had 80 or less, mainly because guys like that are #1 or #2 hitters in the line-up. If you ask me, I’d rather have Mookie Betts with RISP than Albert Pujols in 2019. Also, you can hit .260 and be just as unproductive as hitting .260 and be extremely productive. Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and Lorenzo Cain all had the same BA as both Pete Alonso, Paul Goldschmidt and Bryce Harper. There’s so much room for error in stats like that compared to wRC+, wOBA, WAR, etc. If you have a low wRC+, you’re a bad hitter. You can bat .300 and not be as productive as the guy who hit .270. You can be just as good with RISP, but have 70 RBI’s.
RBI are a bs measurement of performance. Every year the guy with the most runners on base is the one with the most RBI. It tells you exactly nothing about his performance, just how good his team was at getting people on base in front of him.
As someone who has issues with WAR, ShieldF123’s comment is absolutely a stunning admission they may be the ignorant one. As a college professor who teaches stats it is sad that this poster assumes that someone who opposes this metric is “ignorant.”
There are numerous issues with WAR. Perhaps the most obvious is it does not seem to account or place players on an equal playing field since it weighs certain positions more, such as center versus right field. This seems counter to its very purpose of putting players on an equal playing field. Another issue is some players receive more MVP votes ,for instance, when other players may actual lead in other or more categories (Hall of Fame considerations are even more telling–think Scott Rolen). Finally, what is most troubling is many places don’t even share their equation so information on how they calculate their results are unknown. There is no reason for any organization to not publish their methods.
Darth,
First of all, I agree insulting people isn’t beneficial.
Regarding WAR, it makes positional adjustments specifically to put players on an equal playing field. For example, playing first base is not as difficult as playing shortstop, so there’s an adjustment made to account for these differences.
Regarding MVP and HOF votes, I’m not sure what you are saying. Could you elaborate?
Showing your work is important in a scholarly setting, and I agree it would help to validate the inner workings of something like WAR. However, there are financial considerations involved, too. Giving away a trade secret can be detrimental to a business, so laying out all the details of WAR(P) calculations may not be in the best interest of their creators.
Again, I don’t think WAR(P) is perfect – and the fact that there are three major sites (FanGraphs, Baseball Reference, and Baseball Prospectus) that have different versions with different results amply demonstrates that. And anyone arguing, for example, 5.1 WAR is truly and unequivocally better than 4.9 is overvaluing its accuracy. But I’ll take WAR over something like the Triple Crown categories in determining which player is better.
@Darth If you still try to claim RBI and BA are an accurate measure of the value of individual performance at the plate then you are ignorant of what matters in the game of baseball.
If you don’t think CF is more important than RF on defense then you are demonstrating an exceptional level of ignorance of the game too. mlb.com/news/statcast-looks-at-value-of-center-fie…
WAR matters. Every team uses it in evaluating player performance. On offense it is as perfect of a stat as we have. There are issues with the zone based defensive metric that is part of how its calculated, but WAR is still the best measure of overall player performance. By far and its not close.
As OAA and other StatCast stats are perfected and as LIDAR mapping of ballparks becomes the norm, then exact defensive metrics will become more accurate. We are quickly getting there. As it is they are good, but in need of some changes in a era of extreme shifts happening on more that 20% of all plays.
Bottom line. WAR is the best stat we have to measure overall individual performance and no others are close to as good.
“RBI are a bs measurement of performance.” Says the guy who tried to argue like a year and a half ago that Austin Hedges was a better hitter than Francisco Mejia because Hedges had more runs created per PA (a stat that is based on RBI’s).
Runs created is not based on RBI.
m.mlb.com/glossary/advanced-stats/runs-created
My bad. He was citing runs produced. Which is RBI’s + runs scored – home runs
Koamalu – The last time I watched baseball, the team with the most runs wins. You can’t score runs unless they are batted in. RBI is an important straight stat but it’s not the only stat to look at. WAR is subjective.
As a side note, Koamalu, I don’t think I’ve ever read a comment by you that didn’t include some sort of insult to another commenter. Just because someone dares to disagree with you doesn’t make them ignorant any more than it makes you ignorant because you disagree with them.
You need runs to win, but you need base runners to score. RBI’s rely soley on base runners. Are you telling me Albert Pujols in 2019 was worth 13 more runs than Mookie Betts because Pujols had 93 RBI’s and Betts had 80? Of coure Pujols is going to have a lot of RBI’s. Trout gets on base in front of him like 45% of the time.
I agree RBIs require opportunity and relies on who bats before you (the long ball excepted). That’s why it’s not the only stat to look at.
@prov356 – This is getting into minutiae, but you can score runs without them being batted in.
WAR attempts to strip out the biases – such as one player having more RBI opportunities than another – to get to a more consistent, unbiased evaluation of player value. I honestly don’t understand the attack on WAR.
And I’m unclear exactly what you mean when you say “WAR is subjective.” If you mean the different flavors prove people use different inputs, I guess I understand. But once the inputs are determined, they are applied objectively.
Yes, that is what I mean. I don’t disregard WAR any more than I solely look at RBIs to determine a player’s value. I think RiSP, for example, is extremely important.
These contents are so much bs that my phone just got a lot heavier to hold onto! Analytics are a nice tool
In the tool box to help try to explain what subjective human focus, confidence and determination can produce. Even at best it is a subjective practice especially when mathematics is a hard exact science that can only be applied to an equally substantive matter. Math does not account for emotion or anything of a subjective nature. Math or formulas cannot be used to prove or disprove subjectivity issues in athletics. They are accounted for in hard science nor can they be! Ignorance is trying to prove or disprove either with an incongruous implement!
So I have left my pound of data to help way down this thread!
How about a perfect of applying hard science analytics to a subjective situation as Mgr Cash did in removing Snell in the WS game vs LADs. He applied analytics with total disregard to the subjective content he was witnessing!! Result total failure! That theme of analytics has weight in decisions but it is an incomplete process without consideration of the human element which is the antithesis of analytics! Last I knew Athletics are played by imperfect and totally unique humans! Hindsight is a very painful teacher in Tampa’s case. Cash shows his ignorance when he states he would do it the same way all over again! Foolish Man! Take it or leave it matters not an iota!
Jesus Christ, it’s just a snap shot of the players value. I’m not going to sit here and type out all of his stats on his dec page to explain what WAR very quickly does in a simple snapshot.
Calm down. It’s just a quick stat to reference general value
War is messing runs and run prevention more accurately than anything else. We have to park and league adjust. If the Rockies offense scores more runs than the giants, it doesn’t mean their offense is better and can be expected to be better (just an example of the many things war strips out)
The Angels are such a mess.
Please explain
Trolls come on boards of other teams, insult those teams and it somehow makes them feel better about their shallow life.
I often wonder why someone would do that?
It’s just those people that worry so much about Trout ‘wasting’ his years.
22 Leo
Bring some Facts your opinion doesn’t mean nothing bring some baseball facts next time
Please work on the grammar. This is awful.
Seriously? Look at the contracts, overall money spent for many years, the lack of success, basically wasting Trout’s prime years, etc. Do you need me to go on? Their biggest need has obviously been pitching for years, yet they fail to address it. A mess. It looks like that will not change as long as Moreno is calling the shots. An obvious mess.
Just wondering why someone would come an an Angel thread to diss a team. They must not have a life.
“Leave Britney alone!”
He’s just saying it how it is. The Angels have ruined all fans chance to see Prime Trout in the playoffs. You should be more pissed than non-angels fans about that, dawg
Bad owner
ohtani is the biggest con man since irobu.
pb.65
Do yo follow this game? Obviously not.
Just another jealous fan because Shohei din’t pick his team.
Thought he did pick the Angels?
Who is Irobu?
He talking about Irabu who committed suicide a few years back after flopping with the Yankees.
I was going to let that spelling slide, but to call Ohtani a bust is insanely ignorant. If the Angels non-tendered him, 29 other teams would be calling him up.
He wasn’t good last year after being very very very good in 2018 and 2019
Who said you are in any kind of position to let things slide?
A con man likely would not be as honest as Ohtani about his performance. I would say he had a bad season and owned up to it.
Shortened season. Notice the .291 OBP despite his .190 BA. Means he’s drawing more walks and just couldn’t get the ball to land on the outfield grass as much as we’d all like. Could’ve easily gone on a tear during the remainder of a normal season.
I’d say Ohtani is holding himself accountable and it was an odd season for a lot of people. He certainly isn’t making any excuses. I respect that.
He didn’t write the hype articles about himself, and he did go ahead put up about the best two-way season since any of us have been alive.
yep. he knows he can do better. disappointed in himself. humbled himself. can he learn first base? I am unsure if he can return to pitching expectations
I’m not opposed to Happ, though I would not offer anything more than 1yr/$9M deal. With so many middle arms on the market, it’s difficult to believe that clubs will be banging down his door.
Side opinion. I would trade Adell, Heaney and an outside top 20 Halo prospect to the Padres for MacKenzie Gore and Jose Castillo.
Doubt the Padres would reciprocate
People are constantly proposing trades. Very seldom are realistic or worthwhile.
Except when a player is actually being mention in trade talks, I’ve never found that interesting. No one is talking about trading Gore or Adell except the fans.
What’s not realistic about the top OF prospect for the top P prospect, especially when other pieces are added to satisfy needs of two clubs?
Because Gore is not being traded. And the Angels are not going to Trade Adell and Heaney.
The odds of that happening are zero.
Happ is not going to get nine million dollars.
@Halo.. With Smyly getting 11 million, all bets are off.
Joe, That’s a good point.
I’m tired of the rethreads. Let’s get someone like Bauer. Young, and dominant
The Angels have 30 million to spend and have to build their pen. How are they going to do that getting Bauer?
Angels have a CBT payroll of $169 million including all the arb cases. The CBT threshold is $210 million in 2021. Arte said the payroll would go up.
Building a pen is cheap. Hand 2/15 or Rosenthal 2/15. Or both. Bauer will not be cheap, but his salary could still fit into the budget after signing both oof those two.
Koamalu – Moreno did not say the payroll would go up. He said it wouldn’t go down. Moreno has not raised payroll significantly in several years. and I don’t expect him to change his routine.
What is a “rethread’? One of those is not a real word.
You want to trade Adell because he got over matched his first year?
No. I would deal from depth, the outfield to fix a weakness, the staff. The Padres appear on to paper to be flush with pitching. It provides both clubs with what they need.
The Padres are in the market for starting pitching too and have been mentioned on this site as a potential landing place for Bauer.
The games greatest enigma will put it all together at some point. I can’t wait until he’s 100% healthy, he’s going to be a spectacle to watch.
How is Ohtani an enigma? He was horrible last year, but in 2018 and 2019 did happen.
He had an OPS+ of 134 with 40 HRs in just over 700 ABs.
I don’t know his talent is kind of mysterious. When was the last time a guy had the potential to be a middle of the order bat and a top of the rotation pitcher? He’s shown flashes of each but hasn’t fully gave us that yet. I didn’t mean it in a bad way.
JD.. Rick Ankiel had the talent to do it, just not the opportunity. Though Ankiel wasn’t as good at the bat as Ohtani but I give Ankiel credit for playing a position.
Ankiel was an interesting talent but when he started regularly missing the plate as a pitcher…man, he missed by a large margin. Hitters didn’t even have to duck much because the pitches were so off. Athletic enough to hit and play in the field, though.
Wouldn’t brag too much about the 40 homers as every individual players homers are up around the league now that everyone works harder to get the ball in the air than on the ground…..Ohtani’s legacy will be whether he’s able to perform both ways and/or excel at either pitching or hitting while doing that…..the opportunity to both pitch and hit as a player is what sets him apart.
Can I brag about the 134 OPS+. However you slice his first two seasons, he was very very very good.
40 HR in 700 AB is 1 HR every 17 AB. That puts him in rarified air. Only 16 others did that in 2018-2019.
Happ has a tendency to be cruising along nicely in a game and suddenly falls apart. It seems like once he gives up a home run then he falls apart. He is definitely worth a chance on a 1 year contract at the right price.
From afar, the Angels merely need 4 guys who can go 5 innings and post a 4 to 4.50 to be meaningful with their offense. Maybe front-fill those guys and go bigger/deeper with a pen.
Heaney and Canning already do that. I’m sure Suarez, Sandoval, Barria, or Andriese, at least one can do that as well.
Angels need a #1 AND a #2, and maybe a vet like Happ for the #5 or #6 role.
we do need a 1 and a 2. Heaney and Canning can be 3 and 4. all the others seem to be. seem to be unproven talent. or not mature enough. I still say Morton for 4 or 5 2yr 16.
I’d like to see Morton in a Halo uni. I totally forgot about Bundy. I still think if Bundy is our #3, we definitely won the offseason, and should be headed to a postseason. If Bundy is our #1, good luck.
You just described the Angels entire staff. Ohtani, Canning, Heaney, Bundy, and Barria all can do that and all but Ohtani did that in 2020. What we need is a TOR starter. A stopper. A bulldog. A proven 7 inning, 3.00-3.50 ERA starter.
Happ’s not a bad pickup for the Angels. They need a rotation piece. He’s no ace but can fill a spot adequately in the short term. So many free agents are guys who’ve had one or two years to get everyone excited and when they get all the money they turn into what they always were except for the one or two years. Happ’s had enough decent years to believe that he can be decent going forward in the short term,
Agree, after watching Happ with the Yankees, his only downside is that he is a 2 pitch pitcher….meaning that if his fastball location is off, he’s going to get hit and hard….but he eats innings, seems to be a team guy, and even in the last part of his career would be a good pickup for a pitching needy team like the Angels to build around. Not sure what size of length contract he should get, but he’s a good overall pickup.
Happ needs to be able to beat hitters with his fastball up in the zone (or above it) to be effective. That ability seems to be slipping, and could go away fast, if he starts losing noticeable velocity.
Age-Related Skill Slippage gets everyone eventually
Don’t know why Happ don’t get the love Morton gets. Happ’s career numbers and 2020 where much better. Morton pitched good in playoff I guess.
I’d rather have Morton at 2 16. go for it on Bauer. all in like we tried with Cole. I don’t see how we address all the needs rightly without horsetrading though, and/or spending lots of money. it will be interesting to see how new guy approaches it all. there has got to be big pressure to make good right away. every conversation it seems is stating Trout is being wasted. if we had pujols money this year to add we would be in better shape.
A team like the Angles shouldn’t be in on Happ. At this point in his career, he is what he is. He’s a durable arm but not a difference maker. If the Angels had a rotation like the Nationals, then yea, Happ would be a nice #5 starter. But they don’t. They need at least one really impactful starter and a bullpen arm or two. I still think a Musgrove and Richard Rodriguez package would be a good match. I know it’s a stretch, but the Bucs could also throw Frazier into that package if the Angles were willing to deal Marsh, but I will admit that is highly unlikely. Still, Musgrove+Rodriguez to the Angles would make sense. It just depends what the Bucs could get back.
absolutely! angels should aim higher than a baseball octogenarian if they want to go deep in the playoffs. and i dearly hope arte is not being cheap again.
When has Arte been cheap? He went after Cole. He signed Rendon. He extended Trout. He is willing to spend money. His problem is stepping in, overriding his GM and spending stupid money like Pujols.
Happ is meh. He’s a legit SP and will land somewhere and contribute. Angels need 2 frontline SP. IMO they should give Bauerv whatever he wants and trade for darvish.
Bauer, Happ, and a Paxton or Walker or Odorizzi would be nice in Anaheim.
Bauer. then odo. still like Morton as a number 4. 2yr 16 mil
Morton is an East coast guy, not happening
Angels need minimum 2 SP. I see Happ, Paxton, Bauer and Kluber being considered.
as much as I like Paxton and kluber, no injury prone pitchers please!
I am thinking that if the Angels go after older and veteran pitching then it better be a year or two with team options so they aren’t committed to long contracts that don’t seem to pan out well for us. Hopefully our new GM knows the teams history of poor results on old veteran players. The safest bet is to trade for young and controllable pitching and mix in a veteran or two. If Ohtani can come back as even a no 3 or 4 starter then that bumps up some of the others. It doesn’t seem like the team is that far away from contending. Especially offensively. Anytime you have Trout, Rendon and Fletch in the top of the line up…that is a pretty damn good start. Now pitching HAS to improve all around. Should be an interesting and important off season to unfold the next few months…
If Othani can come back as a #6 starter its a bonus.
Sign Bauer, trade for Snell…go to the playoffs with two top line starters plus Bundy, Heaney, Canning, Ohtani.
F*** your feelings about who we trade for Snell. (Probably requires Adell/Marsh (pick 1) plus two of the Halos top 5-10 prospects or young controllable player like Thaiss or something.
I loved this idea. Bauer. trade for Snell. he was terrific. impressive. trade ohtani for him.
I loved this idea. Bauer. trade for Snell. he was terrific. impressive. trade ohtani for him.koo
You can pretend the Angels are going to spend that kind of money but such opinions are are based on unicorns and rainbows.
A.K.A. Hogwash.
When has Arte been afraid to spend money? In on Cole and Stras. They just chose to play elsewhere. Signed Rendon. Extended Trout.
Pretend to spend what kind of money?? Bauer is looking at $25-30m/yr. Angels have that $$ available from Simmons/Teheran expired contracts alone.
Snell has an affordable contract with 3 years remaining… the problem there is trying to pry him away from TB. Every team has a price.
Arte has always had the balls to spend $$$ Vladdy/Colon, Pujols/CJ Wilson, Hamilton, the Bluejay CF whose name I can’t recall, Trout…Trout extension. Upton extension.
The problem these past 5-6 years has been signing or trading for established capable pitchers. (i.e. not past their prime 1yr hope and pray pitchers) combined with many, many pitching injuries and not one but two starting pitchers dying the past 11 yrs.
#1 Bauer
#2 Bundy
#3 Kluber/Paxton/Odo/Walker/Morton
#4 Heaney
#5 Canning
#6 Andriese/Barria/Sandoval/Suarez/Rodriguez
I think Happ, Milone, Felix, or someone on a year deal, a veteran, a prove me contract would be perfect for the #6 depth role.
(((Shudders))) That last part sounds like Teheran, Cahill, Harvey all over again… NO THANKS.
It’s a depth move. We can be paranoid about it but avoiding adding depth will kill this team. The issue the past few seasons is that we relied on Tehran, Cahill, and Harvey to be our #4, and not getting a #1 and #2. If we can get that 1 and 2, then we can add a few vets as #6 options and won’t hurt if they get injured or perform bad, because we have 5 other strong starters.
You read my mind, paying old washed up pitchers for past performances.
I like that idea a lot. Remember, Ohtani is expected to be starting once per week So think 6 man rotation with him being in the mix.
Bauer
Bundy
Kluber
Heaney
Canning
Ohtani
That is a very good rotation. Barria and Sandoval for depth or injury replacements.
Then go out and sign Hand or Rosenthal.
I could see the Angels signing Happ. If nothing else he has been durable.
Ohtani’s arm is never going to make it through a full season. Give him a glove and see what he can do in the field
Still wanting to sign the old timer pitchers. Doesn’t work
Feels like we’ve been stuck in the same season for the past 5 years
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Thats correct! My bad
I’d like to see the Angels sign Bauer to a 1 or 2 year, high AAV contract and trade for another starter. Perhaps another under the radar pickup like Bundy.
I’d also like to see Barria get a shot at the #5 slot in the rotation. When left alone in 2018 and the last few weeks of 2020, he pitched well enough to eat some innings.
Bauer
Bundy
Lynn, Gray, etc
Heaney
Canning
Barria
Sandoval
I’m not counting on Ohtani as he has been unable to stay healthy. And even if he remains healthy, his pitch count and innings will be restricted as he hasn’t pitched for 4 years (77 total innings).
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