The Dodgers have acquired first baseman/outfielder Ryan Noda from the Blue Jays, Juan Toribio of MLB.com was among those to report. Noda was the second of two players to be named later (joining right-hander Kendall Williams) in the teams’ August trade centering on veteran righty Ross Stripling.
Now 24 years old, Noda became a pro when the Jays chose him in the 15th round of the 2017 draft. He has mashed in the minors since then, having combined for a .272/.422/.478 line with 40 home runs and 35 stolen bases in 1,292 plate appearances among the rookie, Single-A and High-A levels. However, FanGraphs’ Eric Longenhagen wrote last month that Noda “strikes out a lot for someone older than is usual for his level” and may only amount to a Quad-A type of player. Noda fanned in just under 30 percent of his plate appearances during his most recent minor league action in 2019.
Not gonna lie, interpreted this as the Dodgers traded to get Stripling back at first
I was shocked and then felt silly when reading through.
Noda gets the nod.
A Dodgers coda for Noda?
Noda notta gonna play in Toronto.
And so forth.
Who’s on first? Noda.
No yoda, pun?
Noda brings that Rob Deer energy
I see a Noda in the headlights.
Yes! Rob Deer. Which. Yeah. I’m cool with that.
Rob Deer of the .190 BA with 40 HR’s and 200 strikouts a season before everyone was doing it. He was truly ahead of his time
Rob Deer was awesome to watch when he was with the Brewers. I still remember a cover of Sports Illustrated back in the late ’80s with Deer having his fist pumped in the air after a home run. The Brewers were on a long winning streak at the time. I actually got that issue autographed by him and remember asking him who was the toughest pitcher to face. His response: “Man, Roger Clemens and there’s nobody even close”. I think this was pre-roids for Clemens too LOL
He must have been relieved to be traded to Boston during the 1993 season so he didn’t have to face Clemens anymore
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Why the comparison with Rob Deer? Noda walks almost as much as he whiffs. High OBA. Deer struck out 2 to 3 times more & had a very low OBA. Score one for the Dodgers.
More like Adam Dunn
Noda had put up some impressive walk numbers even though he hasn’t played above A ball yet! Overall not a bad person to get as a PTBNL.
24 and hasn’t played above A ball yet….
Thanks for repeating what he just said. Kudos.
The point being that his A-ball numbers are suspect because he’s so old. But thanks for being a d***. Kudos.
Both of your comments reminded me of Kudos granola bars. Which led me to find out they are no longer made, sad days.
I’m sorry for your loss.
Maybe try a Kind bar?
Electrifying, granola-fying, simply nutritious, outrageously delicious!
Kudos I’m yours!
Kudos were closer to “Dipps” bars if I recall correctly. Kind bars have almost no sugar.
I think the bigger issue here is that I didn’t know. They were discontinued in 2017. I’ve been regularly reading MLBTR well before 2017 until now, and I never saw any mention.
The manufacturer calling kudos bars “granola bars” is rather generous. It was pretty much just candy and chocolate lol. Also @baseballpun I took your suggestion and tried a kind bar and it was delicious!
Snickers really satisfies
Worked at a law firm during college where you could email a “kudos@lawfirm” address to commend the work of someone and it would trigger a Kudos bar delivered to their desk with a note.
Granola bar? My a**.
To be fair, he was a drafted player coming out of college at 21. He also wasn’t able to play last year due to the whole minor league season being cancelled. I’m sure he would have been in AA, and possibly promoted to AAA, if there had been a season last year
Wasn’t worth giving up Kendall Williams for a pitcher who’s not slated to be a SP on a team with questionable starting pitching. Sorry to offend Jays fans, Williams could have been either kept or used in a bigger/better trade package for an impact player. Not for Stripling or for a 7th place finish.
Dodgers minor league coaches deserve a big raise if they turn Noda into a player down the road. At this time he’s about to change his last name to Nochance.
Jays fans don’t feel offended. I can tell you personally that they’re just as puzzled as you are.
Puzzled is perhaps the PG13 description on this particular transaction.
Discombobulated? Lackadaisically apathetic? Is that good enough for you?
I’ve been discombobulated a number of times, yet I’ve never been combobulated, as far as I know
Jays still have Stripling and he will contribute innings so if he can bring value while they need MLB arms to compete then that’s worth more NOW than a guy WHO MIGHT be a 3rd starter in 2+ years…
Stripling types can be found everywhere. Again, you don’t give up a trade chip for a #6. A #6 is being generous.
Hey 14, here’s one Jays fan not puzzled and there are many more on here.
He’s started 61 games for the best pitching staff in baseball, is one third of a season removed from being at the top of his game, and you claim he’s unworthy to be a #6 for the Jays. If that’s the case, the Jays are going to win 100 games.
Yeah it seems like a whole lot of people are forgetting how effective Stripling was before last year. Seems like the shortened season just threw him off, like a whole lot of other players. I don’t understand the reason for the hate thrown around on this trade from Blue Jay fans. I’d be willing to bet that you’ll learn to be very happy to have him
Ok there Smuz, make the case that Stripling is the current #2 and tell us why Stripling is slated to be in the bullpen.
Being the #6 is what the Jays are implying, so please make that strong case. Floor is yours.
KCJ, no and here is why.
Dodgers had/have an abundance of arms. Stripling was expendable. More likely he would have been non-tendered if not traded prior to this offseason. With little leverage they managed to snag an arm with potential and Noda. Blue Jays, with leverage, give up a future trade chip.
Again, if Stripling is as good as you say then why isn’t he a lock to be a starter on a shaky staff?
good swing types are harder to find in today’s day in age. lets not forget before 2020 he was good at switching back and fourth and was decent at both.
A ball pitcher not in your top prospects.
Williams is so far away that he doesn’t have much value.
Blue jays should hire you and you can tell them how to run it.
Maybe he is a lock and fans just read way too much into a short season instead of his entire resume
At the very least, I think he’s a lock to make a least 20 starts for Tor before the year is done. 2021 is gonna be a long year for pitching staffs, especially mediocre ones
crypto – 2nd round draft pick, very young, huge potential. You discrediting him as a prospect is not a good look. Value, no value, Jays should have held onto him and not traded for the likes of Stripling.
Lurking – only if an injury occurs. He’s not a lock for 20 starts.
Except Williams doesn’t help them now…or next year…or the year after that. STRIPLING DOES. Lol
Is there a time limit on when after a trade can a PTBNL actually be named?
For real? That’s crazy!
6 months, I believe
I believe G4 is correct. If no player is chosen, it becomes a cash exchange I believe.
In this case, Noda was likely to become Rule 5 draft eligible next year. If he doesn’t get put on the 40-man by 2022, I believe he still will be eligible then.
Welcome future All-Star Ryan Noda.
Yeah, if they can turn Max Muncy into an all-star, I wouldn’t rule it out!
Noda had a .507 OBP in 277 plate appearances his first year as a pro. Not bad since then either. Maybe Muncy’s replacement in 3 years.
Honestly, this is perhaps the worse trade of the Atkins era. Kendall Williams will be a solid big league starting pitcher, much better than Stripling. Noda, while not getting as much publicity has good power and a great disciplined approach to the strike zone. I would not have traded Noda straight up for Stripling, much less both of them. I watched every outing Stripling had with the Jays and all he showed was a propensity for getting hammered by hitters.
I always liked Noda aswell, With last year being a wash he was 22 in A ball technically. I believe he had numbers something like 190/400/425 last time he played. While his average is horrible that points to a potential of him having a ceiling something like what Biggio is now with the bat. I think he has a decent chance to be a solid big leaguer, lots of teams could use a guy with a 350+ OBP and 20+ HR power
Im thinking of his 2018 season 421 obp with 20 HR
Dealing a young arm that you drafted 2nd round while your pitching depth is somewhat thin is a head scratcher. People forget the stockpiled pitching talent from 7-8 years ago where the Jays hit on just a few of them. All for a #6 from a team in LAD with huge depth. Jays lost this deal despite having the leverage over the Dodgers looking to rid themselves of Stripling.
Stripling had a career line of 3.68era/3.90FIP/110era+ over 420 innings prior to last year.
Seems a bit much to me to completely write stripling off after a 15.2 inning sample size with the blue jays.
FWIW…Zips projects Stripling to give the blue jays 98.2 innings at 4.38 era/4.29 FIP = 1.5 WAR in 2021 and in terms of his overall value he’s entering his age 30 season and he has 2 years of control left.
King- your take suggests Stripling is a #2 or #3 on the Jays staff. Are you sure you want to die on that hill using stats that do not reflect his true talent or how he will perform outside of L.A. and in the AL East. Your stats suggest Stripling should comfortably be in the starting rotation.
Giving up Williams wasn’t worth Stripling. Not for a guy who’s not starting every 5th day.
Lol…I said what exactly?
My “take”… is that stripling has been an above avg pitcher over his 420 career innings prior to last year.
(His park and league adjusted career era+ of 110 supports that).
My “take”…is that it seems extreme to write him off after watching his 15.2 innings with the blue jays last yr.
My “take”…or should I say zips “take/projection” for stripling suggests he will perform fairly well in 2021…”outside of LA and in the super scary “AL East”.
My “stats” don’t suggest anything at all about what number starter stripling will be in 2021. (Neither do I…Only you do that)
However…zips does suggest he’ll give the blue jays 1.5 war over 98.2 innings in what the avg person would assume would be a spot starter/multi inning depth role quite similar to the role he played for the dodgers.
Stripling doesn’t need to be a #2 or #3 to provide value. The role he has filled for the dodgers and the role he’s projected to fill for the blue jays is quite valuable in today’s game. His value lies in his ability to give you above avg production as a starter or from the pen. He’s above avg quality depth with positional flexibility and he’s the exact kind of depth that contending teams covet. Hes not a 2 or a 3. He’s insurance against injury or Pearson needing more time to develop. He’s not sexy but he’s exactly what the blue jays need with the questions they have with everyone in their starting rotation not named Ryu(another dodger who was supposed to get beat up by the big bad AL East…lol).
King, like the others who’ve overvalued Stripling because they read analytics and not actual baseball, explain why Stripling is not slated to be a starter in the Jays rotation?
You don’t pump him up the way you have with the flawed zips crap only to have him be a swing man on a weak (on-paper) pitching rotation. Zips won’t help you. Use real baseball acumen and instinct this time.
Going by bWAR and if we assume an average MLBer puts up 1 WAR a season, Stripling is a below average MLB pitcher.
Lol. This is beyond funny. No one but you has talked about stripling as a 2 or 3. Only you bud.
Regardless…I literally answered your question about the value stripling brings without being a 2 or 3 starter in my last paragraph in the post that you were responding to…
“Stripling doesn’t need to be a #2 or #3 to provide value. The role he has filled for the dodgers and the role he’s projected to fill for the blue jays is quite valuable in today’s game. His value lies in his ability to give you above avg production as a starter or from the pen. He’s above avg quality depth with positional flexibility and he’s the exact kind of depth that contending teams covet. Hes not a 2 or a 3. He’s insurance against injury or Pearson needing more time to develop. He’s not sexy but he’s exactly what the blue jays need with the questions they have with everyone in their starting rotation not named Ryu(another dodger who was supposed to get beat up by the big bad AL East…lol).”
King, you missed it again. Yes you provided stats. Yes you made a case that Stripling is pretty good. But you can’t answer the simple question: why isn’t Stripling considered good enough to be in what is perceived to be a weak rotation? Based on the statistics you have provided you’d make a strong case that Stripling should, safely, be in the rotation.
You can’t answer and you won’t. You know you are backed into a corner. I would run too if I were you. I could also make points regarding the fact that Stripling’s stats were helped by the pitching-haven that is Dodgers Stadium. I could also point out the years he pitched had some weak competition in the NL West. I could also point out that Stripling wasn’t a good starter. But all that you’ve justified in giving up a 2nd round draft pick.
Bottom line, if you give up a 2nd round pick you better receive value better than where he’s currently slotted.
Lol. Cmon man. No ones running from you and the only one in a corner is you…talking to yourself about stripling not being a #2 or #3 or “not being in the rotation”. Lol.
The reality is that the answers to your questions that you think I’m not answering are either obvious or have already been answered.
The reason Stripling isn’t projected to be in the rotation isnt because he isn’t good enough…it’s because he’s never pitched more than 122 innings and he’s never started more than 21 games in a season. Why? It doesn’t matter. Why doesn’t it matter? Because he has still been able to provide value in the swing role that he’s projected to continue to play for the blue jays pitching staff in 2021. Value…as in the 5.6 war(fangraphs) that he put up in that same swing role in the 4 seasons prior to 2020. Which is probably why he’s projected to continue to add value in 2021 without being “in the rotation”.
The answers already given…
Do you know what Era+ is?
Striplings Era+ was 110 prior to 2020(108 now).
That means…after taking into account the park he pitched in and the league and division he played in…he still performed 10% better than the avg pitcher when he pitched.
So you can say he wasn’t good and that he pitched against weak competition in a pitching haven but Era+ takes all of that into account and says otherwise.
Now…you can disagree with that stat all you want but at least realize that the last thing I’m doing is running from any of your points…lol.
The rest is made up narrative and hot air. No ones claiming he’s a 2 or 3 and it doesn’t matter anyways. The blue jays didn’t pay for that type of pitcher in trade value and they aren’t paying him that type money either(3m in 2021). Claiming stripling was in danger of being non tendered is absurd. As is the claim that the dodgers had no leverage because he was expendable to them. Etc…etc…etc…lol
What I know is you are sitting behind a computer going over numbers that are irrelevant.
Again, WHY is Stripling not part of the starting rotation if he is as good as your statistical analysis says?
Just admit you don’t watch enough baseball to understand talent and that you are looking at fraudulent, cute stats to help make your case that he is a #6. At this time he is the Jays #6, yet you cannot grasp the concept because you sit behind a computer screen.
Like I said…made up narrative & hot air.
Are you really too dense to get that he doesn’t have to start the whole year to add value?
Or are you just making a bigger fool of yourself in your attempt to not look like a fool…by acting like a fool? Lmfao.
Your question once again is “Again, WHY is Stripling not part of the starting rotation if he is as good as your statistical analysis says?”
My previous responses that have answered this exact question…
“However…zips does suggest he’ll give the blue jays 1.5 war over 98.2 innings in what the avg person would assume would be a spot starter/multi inning depth role quite similar to the role he played for the dodgers. Stripling doesn’t need to be a #2 or #3 to provide value. The role he has filled for the dodgers and the role he’s projected to fill for the blue jays is quite valuable in today’s game. His value lies in his ability to give you above avg production as a starter or from the pen. He’s above avg quality depth with positional flexibility and he’s the exact kind of depth that contending teams covet. Hes not a 2 or a 3. He’s insurance against injury or Pearson needing more time to develop. He’s not sexy but he’s exactly what the blue jays need with the questions they have with everyone in their starting rotation not named Ryu(another dodger who was supposed to get beat up by the big bad AL East…lol).”
“The quite obvious reason Stripling isn’t projected to be in the rotation isnt because he isn’t good enough…it’s because he’s never pitched more than 122 innings and he’s never started more than 21 games in a season. Why? It doesn’t matter. Why doesn’t it matter? Because he has still been able to provide value in the swing role that he’s projected to continue to play for the blue jays pitching staff in 2021. Value…as in the 5.6 war(fangraphs) that he put up in that same swing role in the 4 seasons prior to 2020. Which is probably why he’s projected to continue to add value in 2021 without being “in the rotation”.
Yet here you are standing in the corner by yourself…screaming the same question over and over again and refusing to listen to the answers that have been given.
Ultimately…the only thing that’s irrelevant is the question that you’re stuck on. Why? Because stripling doesn’t need to start all year to provide value. He has provided value as a “6” his entire career. So where he’s projected to be in the rotation is…completely irrelevant.
Holy shart, I’ve heard of thick skulls, but this is just hilarious. What’s also funny is that stats are just funny numbers, but starting rotation projections are cold hard facts!
Frank where did you buy your crystal ball?
I’m not a huge fan of the trade either. Williams I think could have grown into a more valuable prospect atleast and Stripling types are not hard to come by.
If this minor trade is the “worst one of the Atkins era” though… then Atkins is doing ok.
Frankie Waller –
I think it’s kind of foolish to base your assumptions off of an extremely small sample size in a pandemic shortened season that saw a whole lot of players have off years. Look at the rest of his career numbers…they carry a whole lot more weight than what you’re talking about
Not foolish to think the Jays should have held onto their 2nd round pick rather than deal for Stripling. With Price coming back, Stripling was a non-tender candidate after the 2020 season.
Lmfao there’s no way Stripling was being non tendered by the dodgers. They don’t give away valuable assets for nothing. Stop with this foolishness
Continue your rant all you want. But you are screaming about the future and you have no idea what is going to happen. Even if he isn’t 1-5 on opening day, it doesn’t mean he cannot be a very valuable pitcher in 2021 for Tor
Btw, for all your hating on pitchers coming out of LA. The AL Cy young winner AND runner up JUST LAST YEAR were the dodgers 3+4 starters the prior season. Being the #6 on that roster is not a bad thing. Keep whining. All you’re doing is putting 15.2 innings on a pedi stool above over 400 innings, just to make your point
Lurking, I guess you forgot to look at the Dodgers roster.
Not including Ferguson (TJS), or the signings of Bauer, Treinen or acquiring Knebel.
Guess who was expendable? Guess who the Dodgers were about to get rid of had they not traded Stripling? Who’s he replacing here? Sorry, Stripling was absolutely a non-tender candidate after the completion of the 2020 season.
Ross Stripling isn’t helping the former Toronto/new Dunedin team overtaking the Yankees in the AL East this season. So if you thought so the answer is: Noda. The Jays right now just might be the 3rd best team playing in Florida In 2021.
I don’t understand what this means.
That’s because it came from Yanks4life’s brain. No one understands what’s going on up there
Same as stripling LOL. Not very good for his age.
Pirates are overrated
Never watched him play, but High A ball at 24 with an okay average and lots of strikeouts. Not sure I understand all the love in these comments
He was at high A ball at 23(0.6 yrs older than avg) in 2019.
Thats because lots of kids come out of college and start at A or high A or spend good time there throughout a full season.
20 year old Kendall Williams (the Jays #11 prospect) alone was enough for two more years of control of Stripling. No need to control a player not worth controlling (see Brandon Drury, Derek Fisher, Socrates Brito, etc).
How about a game of “Would You Rather”.
Would you rather: have Ross Stripling
Have Kendall Williams, Ryan Noda and Jake Odorizzi?
And I’m not a huge Odorizzi fan.
How does Odorizzi fit into this? Are you trying to imply that the Blue Jays are banned from signing him this off season because they acquired a relief pitcher named Ross Stripling LAST YEAR?
If we are to believe the beat writers, Jays are at the cap of their budget! Billion dollar corporation Rogers wont spend another dime! Good thing Atkins decided on Stripling, Matz, Robbie Ray and Roark to man the 3/4/5/6 slots for $28M
KCJ have you seen anywhere that reports the Jays are chasing Odorizzi? No. There is your answer. A very simple one you should have known before you asked.
Ross Stripling only makes 3 million this year whereas odorizzi is looking for 13 million a year. The two have nothing to do with each other. If the Jays wanted him Stripling would not have prevented them from signing him. But since that doesn’t prove your point you’re just going to ignore it.
I asked who you’d rather have. The only people correlating the two is you.
Typical Jays fan whining about the dollar figure. The Jays have plenty of cash, stop bringing up that non-point.
Stripling is currently in the bullpen as the long man, potential spot-starter. Can’t assume he’d be better than Trent Thornton but it appears this is the case.
Meanwhile Odorizzi at-worst is a #4 starter and would be at least a #3 on the Jays. Would he improve the staff? Yes. Would the Jays be better with him over Stripling? Yes. Would the Jays be better with him AND Kendall Williams in the organization? Yes.
There, fix it for you.
Atkins is not good at trading, Conine for a month of Villar?? Kendall Williams + for Stripling???
Right on diggy. Atkins is a boy playing amongst men.
He replaces the strikeouts they lost when Joc signed with the Cubs.
Stripling for Williams was plain stupidity on behalf of the Jays. Nods is irrelevant, he doesn’t have the force.
A competent GM doesn’t trade Kendall Williams for A swing man that likely is 6th in a bad rotation. Time will bare this out. Stripling might get a few good starts in but Williams has a shot at being a longterm very good MLB starter.
Williams is only 20 so what he’s got is pretty speculative but it seems like the Dodgers traded Stripling for a ten years younger version of him. Best case scenario 2-3 years down the line the Dodgers will have a swingman in Williams who profiles a lot like Stripling does now.
Stripling made the show at age 26. Williams is on-track to reach by 23. Stripling was a 9th round pick, Williams 2nd. Williams has a bigger frame with a higher ceiling. It appears Williams could be on-pace to surpass Stripling.
Frames don’t matter. Draft rounds don’t matter. Ceilings don’t matter unless a player reaches them. Scouting reports might matter, and according to scouting reports Williams has the potential to develop into a mid-rotation starter. Anything less than reaching his full potential means bottom of the rotation, and on the Dodgers, a swingman role. That’s all we can know about him at 20 years old and with only a handful of rookie-league innings to go off.
Stripling is not a mid-rotation starter. You just helped prove my point. And, draft rounds and position do matter. Ask their agents, and notice how higher draft picks are given more leeway to develop.
And if a player is 6 foot 6 and another player, similar talent and stuff, stands 5 fot 11, the guys 6 foot 6 will be taken. Size and frame of a pitcher matters. That’s not something you will find on Fangraphs. You’ll have to learn about baseball to figure that one out.
Guests, someone clearly doesn’t know baseball or real scouting. Don’t waste your time.
Stripling looked terrible in 2020. It was like he forgot to work out and take his vitamins. I hope he comes back but I doubt it for more that one or three outings. Terrible trade.
Right, he’s a back end starter and swingman. I’ve said that how many times now? The other point you seem to be missing is the “real” scouting on Willams projects him as having a mid-rotation ceiling. That’s if he reaches his full potential, which many if not most players don’t. And in a rotation like the Dodgers have a pitcher who might be mid-rotation on another team is going to be in the bottom end or swingman role. But I said that already too.
But you’ll have to learn something about baseball to figure that one out. See how that works?