MARCH 25: Lindor and the Mets remain in talks, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, who tweets that “it feels like there’s a bit of optimism” they’ll reach an agreement.
MARCH 22: As of now, there isn’t much optimism that the Mets and Conforto will reach a deal, Jon Heyman of MLB Network tweets.
MARCH 21: Conforto told reporters (including Mike Puma of the New York Post) that negotiations were ongoing, though didn’t commit on any specific details. In regards to any deadline on talks, Conforto said “Ideally, I would not like” negotiations to extend beyond Opening Day.
MARCH 19: The Mets have made an initial extension offer to shortstop Francisco Lindor and to right fielder Michael Conforto, reports SNY’s Andy Martino. No deal is close with either player at this time. The New York Post’s Mike Puma tweets that there’s no real movement in talks at this point.
The initial offer to Lindor, according to Martino, clocked in slightly below $300MM in guaranteed money. Lindor and agent David Meter unsurprisingly countered with a number “well over” $300MM in total guarantees. While the team’s first offering didn’t begin with a three, Martino adds that the Mets are “almost certainly” willing to go to that $300MM mark to sign Lindor.
That said, a $300MM mark as long seemed something of a floor for Lindor in extension talks. Manny Machado received ten years and $300MM from the Padres two years ago — albeit at a younger age. In the 24 months since that time, we’ve seen Bryce Harper (13 years, $330MM), Mike Trout (10 years, $360MM on top of his contract’s two preexisting years), Mookie Betts (12 years, $365MM) and Fernando Tatis Jr. (14 years, $340MM) eclipse the $300MM mark as well.
The length of the Mets’ offer and Lindor’s counter isn’t known, though given his age (27), it stands to reason that he could also be in line for a deal spanning a decade or more at $30MM-plus annually. The Harper and Tatis deals don’t come with that $30MM AAV, but that’s by design in Harper’s case, as he took a longer deal to deflate the AAV and reduce the Phillies’ luxury hit. The Tatis contract, meanwhile, includes all of his arbitration seasons, which naturally suppresses the annual rate. A Lindor deal, assuming it begins in 2022 — he’s already signed for the ’21 season — would be solely be buying out free-agent seasons.
There are no details known yet on the Mets’ offer to Conforto, though as a Scott Boras-represented All-Star who is set to hit free agency as well this winter, history suggests a deal could be tough to put together. It’s well documented that Boras clients largely tend to go to the open market, though the narrative that they “never” sign extensions is also something of an overstatement. Carlos Gomez, Carlos Gonzalez, Jered Weaver and Elvis Andrus all inked extensions in the early 2010s, and more recent examples include Stephen Strasburg, Jose Altuve (his second extension) and Xander Bogaerts. There’s certainly precedent for an extension, even if it’s not commonplace.
Lindor has made known that he prefers to cut off talks once the season begins, although Boras declined to state there was any such endpoint with regard to Conforto. Asked by Martino whether April 1 (Opening Day) was a firm deadline for a deal, he replied: “Michael is focused on the season and his performance. Not addressing any contract questions.” That deliberately vague answer doesn’t tip his hand one way or another, but it’s semi-notable that Boras chose not to limit the negotiation period to a confined window, as many players and agents seem to do. Also notable is the fact that the aforementioned Strasburg extension (seven years, $175MM) came in May 2016 — well after Opening Day.
Mets fans are strongly hoping to see one or both players extended beyond the 2021 season, although even if no deal comes together, it’s always possible the club could still pull off a deal in free agency next winter. The Mets needn’t look beyond their own division to see a prominent example of a star player who couldn’t come to terms on an extension with his club but ultimately stayed there via free agency: Phillies catcher J.T. Realmuto.
Signing an extension with a team when you have not played a single regular season game with seems very dumb in my opinion….but hey get that bread Lindor.
why is that any different then him signing a free agent deal with a team he hasnt played with yet?
after reading my comment again i wish i could delete it. you got a good point lol.
Revision “signing any deal with the Mets is stupid”
don’t delete your comment, it will make lots of people laugh
@MillerPark Well… some of us are here to see differing opinions and have civil, constructive debates.
This is not really a place for civil, constructive debates. Go read that thread about LeBron buying into Fenway Sports Group.
@baseballpun To each their own.
Comme ci, comme ça.
Plus leaving it there shows the lack of intelligence needed to make his next comment.
You should have stopped at your first comment which you acknowledged didn’t make sense. Posting a second bit of nonsense comes in worse than the first.
Fever Pitch Guy
Actually what’s stupid is teams trading a boatload of talent for a one-year rental. By doing so, the team is basically forced to pay top dollar otherwise they lose both the player and the talent they traded. Smart thing to do is make the trade conditional on the player signing an extension within a short window of time. The Red Sox did that with Pedro and it worked out quite well for both sides.
Buddy “Bud” Hull
Love a real redemption story.
Fever, that was a long time ago. A lot has changed including much bigger money involved and of course risks still associated with COVID.
To me, any player or agent who cuts off talks “during the season” when they’re not opposed to staying is hurting themselves as much as the team when they unilaterally make that decision. For that kind of money, corporate deals can take months if not years. While players say they want to focus on the season, how many can truly shut their contract situation out?
@Fever Pitch Guy when a team trades for a rental, if they’re smart, they understand that one year is all they’re getting from the trade and that even if the player does stay beyond that one year that is a separate and irrelevant transaction and the package they part with in the trade reflects that. It’s not like one year of a player with Lindor’s track record doesn’t have value to a team that is trying to win a championship this year.
FeverPitchGuy: I enjoy your contributions on here, but, bringing up Pedro?
Lemme hear you say it!!!! Who’s your daddy?!
Never miss that opportunity –
I wish society thought as you Creature. My goodness, offer an alternative, creative thought and half the country melts down into a hissy-fit. Thank goodness we can tune it all out and consume baseball!
Fever Pitch Guy
Great points there Looie, I agree.
Fever Pitch Guy
I get what you’re saying Jim, but it seems to me anyway that the packages given up for one year rentals are so high because there’s a belief the player will extend. Sure there are some exceptions such as Machado with the Dodgers, but by and large teams seem to give up quite a bit with the intention of re-signing the player being acquired.
Fever Pitch Guy
Haha … thanks Yankee Clipper! It was the height of the rivalry back then, for sure.
That is not true. Nothing wrong with a Yankee fan not liking the Red Sox and vice versa
@NY_Yankee- absolutely, 100% percent correct. That’s the way it’s supposed to be
@Fever Pitch Guy no, usually the packages for rentals are lighter BECAUSE they know the player probably won’t extend. If you give up a big package for a guy because you think he’s magically going to sign an extension you need to be fired. This is why Matt Klentak got fired.
In the case of the Mets, they didn’t have to trade for Lindor to be able to sign him later, but if they win a ship this year I don’t think it matters if he stays or not.
Did we really need a new quote disguised as a new or updated article Steve? No offense but this was typical click bare garbage and I expect better of you and MLBTR.
I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen someone say, “I’m wrong”. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Also, signing long term with Mets isn’t always bad. Just ask Bobby Bonilla.
@LongTimeFan1 – I disagree. Saying something stupid and then owning up to it garners a lot more respect than saying something stupid and then just not responding back when people call out your statement.
03/26/21 new clickbait garbage. Did I miss an ad change? Why not wait until specifics of an alleged offer come out?
Everyone likes to be woo’d.
I could go for some wood (Charlie Kelly)
Because a team has the opportunity to evaluate the player’s fit – why not use the opportunity? But Lindor is well-established and in this case it likely matters little -but Jason Bay, Bobby Bonilla might say otherwise.
You don’t give up top 100 prospects to “evaluate the player’s fit”
Mets have the luxury of waiting to see how he adjusts to pitching he’s seen little of, if they choose to.
Maybe the Mets felt trading Gimenez for Lindor and Carrasco was a low risk move? They have Mauricio only a year or two away. They have a great glove in Guillorme who could easily stabilize the infield and hit .275 out of the 8 hole. Rosario probably would not have been the starter in NY this year.
If Lindor jumps ship after this year, the Mets can STILL sign him AND they get draft pick compensation, no? Add to that, Lindor’s current contract comes off the books going into a deep short stop free agent market.
Lock up the homegrown Conforto first. Let the season play out for Lindor if he doesn’t sign preseason. Another .250 subpar year won’t help his contract demands, especially the length. Neither will an injury.
He’s a match made for NY. I think he’ll sign. The questions are when, for how long and for how much, not “if”. Much like Realmuto.
If the Mets sign/resign Lindor they will not also get draft pick compensation. Also, with the new CBA, we don’t even know if draft pick compensation will still exist next year. Lindor is making $22M this season. Regardless of which FA SS that the Mets sign next offseason, they will guarantee to get more than $22M.
Or the Mets can sign Iglesias and go after pitching and whatever else they will need while receiving a couple draft picks.
“He’s a match made for NY. I think he’ll sign. The questions are when, for how long and for how much, not ‘if’. Much like Realmuto.”
The problem is the $300 million. I wouldn’t go over 6 years at a time on a guy. He’s not worth $30 million a year either. Great player, but $300 million dollar contracts need to go extinct
Why is that a problem? Actors get $20+MM for movies that tank at the box office just because they are pretty – that isn’t even the gruel and grind that it takes to be a professional athlete. That and the market is what dictates the salaries – you may not be willing to play that but as long as another team is they will get it.
Well i feel his comment holds some water. When u sign a free agent deal it is the same thing, but this way he fets a free look at the coach’s, teammates, housing situation etc.
I mean Lindor will get his money reguardless so i dont see an issue with him playing 30+ games tofeel everything out. Even in the crazy scenario were he needs TJS a team will still give him at least 300/10 at an absolute floor IMO
ItsStillMillerPark- I definitely agree with you.
As long as you get a no trade clause thrown in, you still get all the money and then can just complain publicly and pick your next team. Modern sports.
Lindor has personally spent time with teammates for well over a month to get feedback. He also has probably been working with team trainers and execs most of the offseason. He can make a much more informed decision than the typical big free agent who goes on a sales-pitching tour. They’re only shown the good and not the bad.
Yeah, I’m sure a Puerto Rican is really hating the idea of being in NYC lol.
Maybe in any other sport where you have play style systems. In baseball there is no system, you just play. Get the best team you can.
So Springer should have gone back to the Astros, Bauer to the Reds, etc? Please rethink this comment in context of almost all free agency.
Youre not gonna get much love for that take but I generally agree Frankie should send FA. In addition to the obvious benefits not much good can come from signing a long-term contract with the mets.
Giving any kind of discount to a team that you haven’t played a game for wouldnt make sense.
Mets made an offer, Lindor wants more, start the ball season. Lindor’s play will dictate how high (or low) the price goes. Mets worse-case scenario is Mauricio and a QO pick in 2022 with lots of money to spend. In fact, a lot of QO picks potentially.
With the CBA expiring at the end of this season, we do not yet know what the free agent compensation will be – or if there continues to be any at all.
If I’m lindor I wouldn’t want to locked in with mets, historically bad franchise. Play well and go to the highest payer contender next offseason
Tats you might be right. Mets seem to be all in on this year and leaving huge doubt in 2022. Yes they have some nice players. But that division will be very tough moving forward with the rise of the Marlins, the Dombrowski factor in Philly and you can never overlook the Braves.
Cohen didn’t spend that kind of money to sit on the sidelines. Most now expect COVID to soon end but there is no guarantee as to how long it will really take for individual teams to recover financially as many past businesses and individuals are hurting. I know a couple of small law firms who had to give up their seats. Combine that with the number of shortstops available next off season and Cohen might get more bank for the buck by waiting.
Looie who cares what Cohen wants. Mets might be better off allocating money elsewhere with Mauricio at SS (or a FA shortstop) and taking the draft pick. Mets would be best served finding holes on their team that will be exposed in a few weeks rather than plug big money to Lindor with a prospect in-waiting.
That’s basically what I (Louie) said. Cohen will spend but by waiting, he could get much more bang for the buck and develop a better overall team.
Good point. Stroman a FA, so Mets will need pitching going forward.
I do not like the Mets but there are worse franchise them them. Take Cleveland
Not to mention the Mets have a brand new extremely wealthy owner. The Mets could be a completely different franchise going forward
But they won’t be.
“Historically bad” doesn’t matter when there is a new owner. If he has a down or injured season then he could lose a whole lot of money. If they are offering anything near the ballpark of what he’ll get in the off-season then he should jump at it IMO
And the market for SS is ridiculously deep.
Agree… there’s more risk in meta extending Lindor before a game is played than vice versa, especially w that FA SS class and an owner willing to spend
It’s amazing that these front offices are astute in analytics yet ignorant when it comes to simple math.
Signing a 27 year old SS to any contract beyond 6 years (age 33) is a bad business decision.
I agree, but if you really want him to sign you have to think what it will take, and also what he’s likely to be later in his career. You’d probably assume that as he ages, you could move him off SS and he could still be a valuable contributor.
Not really. The back-end of these long contracts are an assumed sunk cost where they intend to receive surplus value for the first few years. Simple baseball economics.
Ur right but the fact is that he is very good defensively so a shift later in the contract to 2B isn’t out of the realm. Plus, Lindor seems like the player who will make the move to make the team better. Sign him. Conforto too (even tho won’t hurt as much as not extending Lindor, just based off of what they gave up).
33 really isn’t that old, even for a baseball career. When you start getting to 35, 36 and 37, then yeah. But plenty of players are still productive into their early 30’s.
Percentage wise very few players are still very good in their early 30’s.
kcmark – Teams have decades of historical data to use to make their signing decisions. And as others have said, you get surplus value in the beginning of the contracts and many players are good into their mid thirties. Plus, there is always competition for the top free agents, so the winning team obviously is going to make the highest bid in most cases. It’s a matter of supply and demand, not automatically a bad business decision.
The main problem (imo) is that in MOST, not all, upcoming FA’s don’t take an active role in where they sign. Players, once they reach free agency CAN CHOOSE, for the most part, where they’re going to play. They can choose how many $1,000,000.00 per ea year is enough. If a player wants to be auctioned off to the highest bidder, fine. However, if one wants to stay where they’re at they CAN tell their agent: I want to stay here, get it done. If one wants to sign w a certain organization for whatever reason, fine. But so many times a player just follows the agent’s lead like a lost pup.
Why would you assume that were it not for the agent, a player wouldn’t care about being paid as well as the market dictated possible?
It’s always funny when fans want to crucify agents for… getting the best deal for their players.
If you are negotiating a contract, Boras is the kind of bulldog you want on your side.
Not if you’re Stephen Drew.
The Problem with Boras is there are teams that will not deal with him and that limits the market
How do any of us know what the player bases his new team on? We all get the rumors – here and elsewhere – about the various bids, but that doesn’t mean we know the whole story.
There’s a decent chance they’ll overpay for at least one of these players, and that player could be Conforto. His 2020 season is an outlier, driven by a ridiculously high BABiP, and enhanced by the short schedule as the numbers never had a chance to even out. Add in Boras as his agent, and this has the potential to be a significant overpay. The Mets probably realize that. Might be better to let him play out the year and bid on him as a free agent. They should have a better idea at that point if his 2020 season represented a new level or was a fluke. I suspect the latter. As for Lindor, it’ll take a number starting with a 3, both in AAV and total contract value. That’s what they’ve been shooting for since being in Cleveland, and he’s been fully prepared to play out 2021. Being traded to the Cohen-led Mets certainly isn’t going to reduce his price!
Now more than ever, I think teams have a number where they are happy to walk away. We still see guys who hit FA while young get big contracts, but teams now know the dangers of giving long deal to players close to 30.
Luc (Soto 3rd best in the game)
I know its just a small offer to start but I would low key feel disrespected if i’m Lindor…
Why? The virus has severely disrupted countless economic models, plus it’s not like the Mets said “take it or leave it.” The counter offer is the only one that matters anyway since it will give the Mets a good idea on what he’s looking for to sign. And given that he’s gone this far, it’s probably damn near the actual number he wants.
Luc (Soto 3rd best in the game)
Ik, but I said if it was me, and I also said I know its just to start the negotiations. Lindor will try to command lots of money because he thinks he is the No. 1 SS.
The consensus seems to be that he is the best all-around SS. I mean what are his flaws? Hits for power, good baserunner, switch hitter, durable, GG winner, great teammate. His OBP could be better but it’s not bad, and if he keeps slugging the way he has been it’s even less of a concern.
Seems some want to argue that he’s not the best at any specific stat category.
That’s been happening here every day since I began reading MLBTR (on and off) around 2013. Not just in the comments, the writers do it as well.
There are too many statistics out there, and too many variables that go into how those statistics were arrived at. This is why MLB front offices have multiple people that put them into perspective, often by viewing easily and cheaply available video (as well as talking to scouts, mangers, coaches, etc.).
The same as when I was 7 years old and we argued over players based on was printed on the back of the bubble gum card. Then we started playing organized baseball and realized how misleading statistics were in determining how a player contributed to his team wining games – i.e. “He makes his teammates better”….Jeter did that….Lindor does that.
I don’t fault the writers as they want to create fodder for dialogue and that they believe in everything they write. It’s short-form sensationalism some of the time.
I loved arguing baseball card stats with my school friends. I also pined for the day when USA Today would print complete individual player seasonal stats before anyone else.
Agreed. This is a part of ML:BTR’s business model. And what baseball fan doesn’t start the season catching up on players stats, then following them some during the season? Is this any different then people that go the track and pore over The Racing Form with their friends before making a bet?
The problem is sustainability. As sports fans get older and view a lot of games and races, they get away from the statistics as being anything more then some background data, which has little impact on seasons outcomes. Which is why I can leave here, come back in a year, and at least 90% of the regular posters are gone.
When I was older I had some input from a major league manager about his team. Rest assured – like everything else – the image created in the media and the scuttlebutt could not have been more off base. My favorite example – the wife of a star player left him in spring training for a backup player that had built a reputation for playing around. She moved in with the backup player, leaving the children at home 2,000 miles away with grandparents and nannies. The player was a responsible human being and worried about his young children daily, constantly flying back home during the season to check on them. Naturally he had a awful year (and later got a trade to the city his children were living in after the season). Now – tell me how statistics predicts that he would have a bad year and be a drag on a pennant contending team? LOL Stuff happens all the time. Just like in every other area adults work in.
You may want to check out his RISP number. It is considerably worse than the average player, particularly in recent years. The AVERAGE player. He’s FAR less than the numbers good performers post. He hasn’t had even five big hits in the last two years.
Mets spent all the money they did and then say “sorry Frankie, we dont have enough for you though?” yes, id feel disrespected. not like Frankie cares that much though. he’ll probably go where he thinks it will be best for his family.
I’d be more disrespected if people kept calling me “Frankie” than a $280,000,000 contract offer .
Idk, the r/wallstreetbets crowd has been kicking Cohen in the junk for the past 2 months so he’s feeling the squeeze just as much as other owners now it seems. I hate the Mets but would have been cool to see real stupid money be spent. Although we have Preller and the Padres owners for that.
Why, their initial offer was more than Cleveland ever offered. His was high. Now they meet close to the middle. I would be flattered. This team gave up good players to acquire me, THEN offer me more than the team I was homegrown with offered me? That’s good faith in my opinion, not the disrespect u claim.
BTW, are you going to see the movie Peter Pan this weekend?
He has no reason to meet in the middle if he believes the market will be willing to pay him more than that middle.
If someone offered me $250-plus million to do a job, I would not be offended in the least.
Beyou, I WOULD be offended at $250M if everyone else, all skills being equal, was being offered $400M. Hire a green new guy in the plant making 50cents an hour more than the veterans in the department, and you’ll see quickly how human nature works in real life.
I like lindor but he’s not that good. Not even close to the levels of machado trout or betts so it’s crazy to me with all the shortstops next year that the Mets or any team would give arguably the weakest of those position players that much money
Out of those 3 players u mentioned, none are SS’s. Lindor plays an ultra premium position with top flight defense and above avg offense (non including last short season). I’m not sure if he’s better than tatis, though haven’t seen enough of tatis to say he is better than Lindor. But Lindor is def better than every other ss in the league.
jh8913 – seems like Andres Gimenez is going to be very good…small sample size. I’m not saying Lindor isn’t good, but SS did not appear to be their biggest need at the time of the trade. To me, it seems like they made the trade just to make a splash with the fans and acquire a “shiny thing”. Now they seem to be forced to lock him in for a long term deal to save face to a terrible trade IMO
Yea all this talk lumping Lindor in with Betts or Machado is off base. Saying his value is.boosted by him playing a premium position is off base too. Folks love to throw around his past WAR numbers but that stat already accounts for position so folks are double counting that value. He’s great, but I don’t really think anyone is worth 300 million.
Cosmo does make a good point about fans using war and his premium position in their argument really are doubling up.
Best overall SS in baseball the past 3 seasons. And the past 5 seasons.
He was better than Machado from 2016-2018 and we saw what Machado signed for after the 2018 season.
So yeah, he is “that good.”
We can all pick the stats to help our argument. Interesting that in both of your graphs, you included his 1 monster season that he has had.(2018). I took away his 2018 and ran your same graph for the last 2 seasons (2019 and 2020) and he is like the 5th best shortstop. I’m not saying he isn’t good, but solid defense and a bunch of solo home runs doesn’t equate to 300 million…at least for me. But hey, if somebody wants to pay it, good for him.
Over that time frame for sure, but if you count last year forward (or this year forward) I’m pretty sure he will be the third best SS behind Tatis and Seager (and is totally worth what he will get).
Both Lindor and Conforto are active Players Association members looking to break upper ceilings in contract values. The Mets now under Steven Cohen as a New York City team are supposed to be Large Market Players. The problem is they brought back the Wilpon small market minded stubborn GM Sandy Alderson to negotiate with Boras and Lindor’s agent respectfully. Lindor already rejected a $ 200 MM deal with the small market Indians and is expecting a $ 300 MM + deal so why insult him with anything less. Sandy is a laughable tone deaf old fool.
I don’t think anyone can dispute that the Mets are a big market team. However, what are you basing the assumption on that Alderson and Boras have a bad relationship? Alderson has done a pretty good job signing free agents and making trades this offseason with the additional resources he’s been provided. They were also quick to jettison Jared Porter after his misconduct allegations became public. It’s standard business negotiations and not personal.
Sandy and Boras have a horrible relationship with alot of toxic rhetoric flying between them over the years about shopping in the canned goods aisle instead of the gourmet foods section, etc. What FAs did Sandy sign this offseason except for 2nd tier guys? He whiffed on the Big 3 of Realmuto, Springer and Bauer although he was competitive with Bauer but got played and humiliated in public. LOL
He did? Seemed to me that they told Bauer to make a decision, and he chose the Dodgers. Oh well. Guess the Mets will have to find another guy to toss baseballs into the bleachers during temper tantrums lol.
Bc cle offer was low to mid 200M. Mets first offer was high 200M.
That was under the Wilpons ownership when Boras years ago criticized the Mets for spending like a small market team. It’s a new regime with a different agenda now. These people are professionals and the idea that holding grudges against the sake of their own benefits is silly. Settling for second tier free agents isn’t a failure considering the high bar these “Big 3” have set. Also Bauer chose to be very public with his negotiations process. That’s neither Alderson’s fault nor his lack of competency in attracting Bauer.
They were also competitive with Springer. As of last reports they were there AAV but not in years. If they would have gone the extra year they would have been the same but werent willing to go that extra year with that year not being worth it at the end of the contract.
I kind of disagree because even if his bat is still decent him and Conforto would be solid corner OFs because as of right now i dont think they have much in the pipeline but draft obviously changes that.
Bauer did not want New York. The intense fan and media coverage and him is a bad mix. He got to go home and play for the Workf Champion Dodgers. Mets cannot be blamed
Sandy Alderson works for Steven Cohen. On contracts this big Scott Boras always negotiates directly with the owner. I don’t know the policy of Lindor’s agents.
Do you really think that the Alderson is negotiating $500-600m of contracts and Cohen is not involved?
Do you really think that the numbers come from the GM in negotiations like this?
Luc (Soto 3rd best in the game)
Conforto is smart to not sign an extension. There was an article about him saying he’s been on hyped teams but they didn’t do anything. So if I were him i’m focused on the season and if the Mets mess up i’m taking a cab out of NYC.
Harper did that and regretted it. Nats failed season after season before 2019
Why would Harper regret not resigning with the Nats? He got what he wanted with the Phillies.
@MetsFan22 comments like this are just baffling. Harper has no regrets. He got exactly what he wanted; a career-long contract in a big market. Harper has had success in the playoffs with the Nats before. It’s not like they were awful with him, and they would have been even better in 2019 had he stayed, but they didn’t give him what he wanted. I doubt he has any regrets. Contracts are about more than a WS, which is out of one dude’s hands. Harper setup his career and family the way he wanted to. And who knows? Maybe the Phillies see a deep playoff run or two during Harper’s tenure. Maybe even a WS. You don’t judge a life-altering move based off one season in 2019.
I’m jus saying that as a Nats fan you shouldn’t talk about teams underperforming
@MetsFan22- Um…didn’t they just win a couple of seasons ago? Better sign Lindor now before he gets too pricey later if he has a good season, which he probably will. Start at $340-350 million for 10 years right now. If he doesn’t sign that then sign Trevor Story cheaper during free agency next season.
Luc (Soto 3rd best in the game)
The Nats have done better than the Mets since 2016 which was when sir Connor Gillespie went deep. They have made the playoffs way more and have had better records. It was the playoffs where they choked and the Mets did that multiple times in 15 and 16.
I’m glad you enjoyed the little winning spree you guys went on while choking in the playoffs lol. (Ik you won in 19, but it doesn’t change the fact that they choked heavily the whole decade.) Anyways it was much needed after many years in the basement.
Luc (Soto 3rd best in the game)
Yes it was LOL. After 2017 I was so pissed thx god for 2019. Now the Mets need that luck lol.
Yankee4Life: I just posted on another article a proposition from Jim Bowden of a Yankee-Rox trade. And unlike what people here write, it wouldn’t take the whole farm to get Story. I’d rather have him than Lindor. Then sign him for a cheaper deal in FA.
@Yankee Clipper-yes I saw that article. I like Story but don’t think the Yankees need Marquez at this point. I know Story will be cheaper then Lindor but I really don’t see a fit with the Yankees, especially with Torres at shortstop. I want to keep Urshela for third base. Unless Voit is traded in a package for Story instead of Urshela. Which is one way they could definitely go.
Yes, I agree, especially if Torres resolves his defensive challenges at SS and proves he can stay there this season. Marquez would be quite valuable, however, at the deadline if the injury bug comes biting….
@Yankee Clipper, definitely agree with your comments 100%. Always nice to talk to another die-hard like yourself, which I respect. I like Marquez, he is really good. But he is stilled owed a nice amount of $. I would look more into Castillo and Gallen lst though. Obviously the price will be higher as far as prospects. Cincy will eventually have to lower their demands in regard to Castillo if they ever want to move him. Torres and Dominguez are going nowhere brother! I think the Yankees would definitely be open to dealing Deivi or Schmidty in a package for either Castillo or Gallen. At this point Gallen could be cheaper and I don’t see a really big difference between the 2 pitchers right now. No reason why 1 of those starters couldn’t step in the rotation and be a solid #2 right behind Cole. Let me know what you think, your opinion means a lot. Ttyl Clipp.
So you’d feel insulted if you got the offer Lindor got and you’d leave NY because a writer posted a story that hurt your feefees?
I’m a Mets fan and hope the team doesn’t sign either to an extension of more than one lustrum, as they will be on the back end of their primes then. If they won’t take five-year deals let them walk, and they’ll be someone else’s albatross in 2026.
Pretty sure I’ve never seen the word “lustrum” on this site.
I learned the word lustrum from the movie “Rooster Cogburn.”
After the Wilpons, the Mets need to do a purification sacrifice.
Pretty sure Lindor would accept a 1 Lustrum/$300MM deal.
Lindor has to be nuts to sign long-term with the Mets…..
Other than Alonso, Smith and one or two pitchers, the Mets players are pretty much playing at their ceilings…..and headed down.
The farm system has few decent prospects. The payroll is already up against the cap. OK, the owner will spend more bucks – but with penalties on drafting position etc. that will limit what the Mets can do to bring in younger players.
He needs to get with an up and coming team that is going to get better for the next 4-5 years. Marlins fit the bill – they can afford one mega salary. Heck, the White Sox can move Anderson to another position, he’s a poor SS. Astros as Correa is always getting hurt. Tigers and Giants very possible. And there’s more.
Lindor has no pressure him to sign before the end of the season. Even if he breaks a leg he’s going to get massive contract offers These offers from the Mets just give his agent a starting point to negotiate from with other teams.
JMHO, but any deal made with Boras for Conforto will be a bad one for the Mets
Lindor, should of never said he wants to sign before the season starts? This leads me to think his pushing for a contract and Cohen doesn’t like to be pressured, specially if he wants to see if his really worth 300 million?
This is silly, but I’ll play…..
I don’t believe Lindor said he wants to sign before the season starts. He said he’d listen but didn’t want to negotiate a contract once the season starts, as it will interfere with his concentration on playing.
He’s the #1 free agent after the season. He will get a mega deal. My view is that he got traded to a new team, and it would be a bad look on his part to take the position that he refuses to listen to his new employers. That bad look could scare aware potential teams from bidding after the season as they might view him as uncooperative….and potentially not a team player.
He may sign with the Mets. But my belief is that he and his agent are getting at starting points for negotiations. Put it this way, if he rejects the Mets offer once the season starts, do you think that after the season the Mets will drop out of the bidding without offering more money then their pre-season offer?
Lindor the Loafer is the wrong guy to offer a big multi-year deal.. You’ve heard of take the money and run. He’ll take the money and walk. Most overrated player in baseball. But, he smiles a lot, has blue or orange colored hair, earrings, necklaces and all the other cool stuff, But, don’t worry Mets. He’s not going to take anynthiing you offer. He’s been eyeing free agency for five years with tunnelvision. Warning to any suitors: Check the effort he gave the Indians in 2020. Pitiful.
That why he should seize the opportunity and sign before a game is played this year. Another year like 2020 and his stock will be down. He would be crazy not to take the money. Not the right player for long term.
Couldn’t have said it better
Offer Conforto 5 years, 100 million, if he doesnt accept then let him walk, he never hits in the clutch and gets his homeruns when the Mets are either up or down by 10 runs
Mets were up or down by 10 runs in 5 games last season. Conforto didn’t play in 2 of them and he hit a home run in just one of them. I think you are mistaking him for Nimmo.
Last season Conforto hit .277/.382/.426/.807 with RISP and .321/.395/.575/.970 with Men on Base.
In 2019 with a bigger sample size he hit .286/.435/.548/.982 with RISP and .278/.403/.494/.897 with men on base. Both are top 30 OPS in MLB.
Obviously not a Mets fan, but would love Conforto on the Padres.
Captain Ackchyually to the rescue!
We know you are not a fan of stats Ryan. Its all good.
Who is the “we” you are referring to? Is it yourself, koamalu, outinleftfield and websoulsurfer?
Pads Fan quickly becoming my favorite commenter
I agree with the 5/100 part but the rest is crazy. There is no such thing as clutch/not clutch and the stats don’t bare it out anyway
Conforto is a good clutch hitter. Might want to look up easily available stats before you suggest a laughable contract based on your perception from watching 6 games a year.
That’s a starting offer but george springer just got 150m. Conforto is younger. Springer is better on defense. Conforto probably won’t extend for less than 150m range.
Fully expected a Realmuto situation from the starts. Mets fans will panic a bit, but he’ll come home in FA.
Just give him 12/360 and move on from this.
Too much. I’d rather spend the money more efficiently
Play out the season first. Then pick from a bumper crop of short stops.
If the only thing that they were looking at is the production, then yes do this. But NY is a wild place, and Cohen being a lifelong New Yorker and Mets fan knows they need more than just production. They targeted Lindor because he is the guy that will play up to the media, be the face of the franchise, and deliver on the field. And everyone on both sides of the negotiation knows that. You are paying for off the field star power as well as on the field star power. You will probably get better on field production over the next 7+ seasons from Corey Seager. You will get better offense and a much shorter contract demand from Trevor Story. But to win games and win the media battle they are going to have to pay Lindor. And they all know that.
You don’t win games by being the face of media or whatever. I see no evidence of Lindor’s media presence being a factor.
I watched Lindor in the minors. He has a world-class ego. The pro athlete he reminds me of the most is Lebron. Always preaching “team”, yet always looking for the spotlight and selling himself.
He’s very good – not as good as he thinks though. Unlike basketball where one can dominate the ball on offense and move around where he wants to on defense; in baseball a position player can on bat once every 9 batters, and get the ball in the field if it’s hit or thrown to him.
Do not underestimate Lindor. Yes, he wants to be in a large market and get the endless pub. And the casual fans in the large markets are taken in by the showboats – if their team doesn’t win it’s always someone else’s fault.
Here’s an example – Manny Rameriz. Another guy that played in Cleveland. A traffic hitter. So-so national acceptance. The day the guy signs a contract with the Red Sox, MLB’s #1 media shill Peter Gammons calls Manny: “The best right handed hitter in baseball”. (Note that he wasn’t that when he was under contract to Cleveland.) Then Manny was blanketed with national attention, which he did not want. Lindor does.
On Inside Pitch on MLB Network Radio they just said they are hearing the Mets offered 8/280. That seems like a good initial offer for a guy who will be 28 when the deal starts. It takes him through his age 35 season and its $35 million AAV.
Now they can meet somewhere in the middle of the gap between there and the 10/360 that Lindor is reportedly asking for.
Let him play this season first and then try to sign him in free agency. What happens if he gets hurt this season and or performs badly? Now the Mets are stuck with him and his huge contract. They know they have to pay over 300 million anyway either now or in free agency. If they have to pay more in free agency so what, Steve Cohen will pay it regardless if he really wants him as that is what billionaires do and can do! the smart thing now is NOT TO SIGN HIM!
I’m hoping the Mets and Lindor get this deal done so we can see how the SS price was affected by the Tatis extension. Lindor is the better player in almost every facet of the game in the present day. Even though he is older than Tatis I’m sure he would want the compensation to reflect his standing among today’s SS.
Why have $14B if you’re not going to extend these 2?
Cuz if you want to win you need a better plan than throwing stupid money at big names. Spreading the money around should lead to winning more so than bogging yourself down with mega contracts.
He’s not going to be broke after extending these two. Yes, wise spending is important. It just doesn’t have anything to do with what I said.
Do you expect the Mets to run an unlimited payroll? Cohen’s wealth doesn’t eliminate the need to spend within a budget. 300 million dollar commitments are, in my opinion, not a wise allocation of resources considering that.
Again, I’m not talking about spending wisely. If you want to talk about something else, post about something else.
Building a good farm system leads to winning. Very little else compensates for it
Just because you have 14B doesn’t mean you put your eggs in one basket.
Look at the Angels saddled down with Albert Pujols contract.
Can’t afford any good SP until next year when Pujols is done
Not a matter of him being broke but Luxury Tax to deal with and other players on the team being happy. Do they all sign for half a billion?
I’m not sure what’s wrong with people’s reading comprehension. I never said they would be good deals. We don’t even know what the deals would be.
Go back and read and what I wrote. If you have something pertinent to what I said, I’d love to hear it.
You said, why have such and such billions if you’re not going to extend such and such players… the implication seems to be that said contracts should be offered because of the owners wealth… counter argument is that, no, being a billionaire doesn’t negate the need for wisdom in spending… either we are understanding you, or you’re being unclear
I’m fine with it if you don’t understand me.
I can think of 14 billion reasons to have 14 billion dollars, other than extending these two. What a stupid question and even worse series of follow ups defending it.
You don’t have to like it.
I think Lindor goes to free agency, he can get 340 no problem! Unless he goes to the Yanks or Dodgers he will want opt outs!
As a Mets fan if he can get 340 then go get it; crazy if they sign him north of 300 million. He is not worth Trout or Betts money and if he can get God Bless him I hope the Mets don’t sign him. Spread that money around and get a good CF, Third Baseman and some SP
You could have gotten Springer!
If the Dodgers are investing long term in a SS, it would be Seager and not Lindor.
Presumably, Lindor is going to use one or both of those teams to try to leverage the Mets (and vice versa), then take the highest bid. Hopefully, Yankees announce they’re out from the start. We don’t need that goat rodeo in the offseason.
Pay up Mets! You wanted him, pay the man! I say…… 20 years @ 520M because Cohen doesn’t even care about money as I’ve read ad nauseam.
@Yankee Clipper-lmao! The problem is the Mets should of just offered $340-350 million for 10 years from the beginning. If he doesn’t sign they could sign Trevor Story or Cory Seager cheaper in the off-season anyway. I definitely see why Met fans are upset though. You give up prospects to land him, and now he doesn’t want to sign? Smh
Yankee 4Life: Yes, sir, I see why also. Wait until the end of the season after they’ve been promised unlimited spending and a championship and get neither…… ouch.
@Yankee Clipper- lmao! All facts. Nice to root for that other team in NY for sure. Would you put Voit in a package for Story at the deadline? I really love Urshela hate to move him in a deal for Story. I’d rather not. What do you think? Lmk
That’s really tough at this stage, @Yank4Life. I think he’s worth it if we need Story, and I do agree that he’s a preferable move to Urshela, but I think Urshela addresses Rox’s needs more aptly than Voit will.
I love Urshela’s play. I was beaten up on here after his first good year because I wanted to keep him and there were many who said he was a one-year wonder.
So, Voit in place of Urshela, even if it means we would need to include an additional prospect to compensate for Urshela, is my vote!
With the new mlb contract looming next year, would players or owners feel the most pressure to sign or extend before this contract ends?
I might ( especially if I can get a large signing bonus)
After the year he had last year, if he’s looking for close to FA money (I would if I were in his shoes), I’d probably just hold off, if I were the mets. There is likely to be a couple options on the FA market next year and I think getting an extra 162 games to decide if you want to pay Lindor 350m is probably worth however much else he might cost you for waiting or the potential to lose him.
Conforto was an All Star in 2017. Is it fair to make a big deal of that if it happened a presidential term ago?
Never believe anything coming from andy martino. It will save you alot of embarrassment in the long run.
The Mets are not on a trajectory to win a WS anytime soon. They don’t have the abundance of young / inexpensive talent to do it. Cohen will not blow past the CBT enough to compensate for that fact. They are already up against the CBT with a win-now team and he hasn’t exceeded it.
Some examples- Hand, Springer JTR could have been sigbed. That is a WS Contender when dded to Lindor and Cookie.
Now you go with McCann who is decent but << JTR. CF acquisitions suk and <<<< Springer. Cookie is hurt and no fill in is even close. Degrom gets another year older. No DH so one of Smith / Alonzo is grossly out of position. Work stoppage in 2022 and Degrom is another year older and coming up on FA.
Sorry Metsies fans, but to win a WS the Metsies have to tear it down and build a strong young core. Ain't happening, so you can get to the playoffs once in a while but will never win with LAD and SD being so good. Atlanta will keep you out of the playoffs quite a bit too
@trewbrew Do you even watch baseball? You should look over the “Metsies” roster and stop embarrassing yourself.
If the Milwaukee Brewers were my team, I probably wouldn’t watch much either.
TBM – So what exactly are you saying? I HAVE looked over NYM roster and everything Truebrew said is accurate.
I wonder what the market for Comforto and especially Lindor will be? You have several excellent Shortstops who will be free agents, plus the possibility of a strike and even a team like the Yankees might decide to not bid on him (they might put their money into Torres instead).
What money? They’re up against the luxury tax now.
They have a so-so farm system that has been overrated for years. Who have they developed the past 5 years to merit all the pub they get? Gleyber? Frazier came in trade and he’s their big young upside player?
The way teams are built has changed in MLB. The Yankees – and Mets – have not changed. Mets missed their opportunity under the old management when they elected not to hire Bloom. Red Sox are the beneficiaries. NY fans of the Mets and Yankees think they can just throw money at free agents. No.
Both the Yankees and Mets need to do a total remake of their organizations. Cash seems to be trying to do that piecemeal – the Mets to some degree as well. They both need to build a solid farm system that develops a stream of players to get up to the majors – particularly pitchers. They need a ML coaching staff that can help them make constant adjustments. This cannot be done piecemeal in a few off-seasons. They need people running their organizations that understand the paradigm shift – as all they’re doing now is creating competition of turf within their baseball operations.
Bottom line – both teams have few players on their ML roster that have potential high ceiling growth; few real minor league prospects (lots of pub, little to show for it), and they’re at a luxury tax cap that will make it difficult for them to be in position to draft the better prospects.
This is not Cashman and Theo getting 3-4 guys as a foundation and then buying quality players in free agency and one-sided salary dump trades. Those days are past. You can throw the Cubs into the mix with the Yankees and Mets.
Here’s what to look for in the new CBA – the division of streaming revenues. Cable is withering on the vine. MLB teams will be going to streaming services for their games shortly (it’s easier, cheaper, and there’s fewer middlemen sharing the profits). We are now at a point that mid and small market teams will be making the argument that their team is one of the two playing when a customer pays for a streamed game. Therefore they deserve 50% of the revenue. That is the way streaming works.
That argument was tried years ago by the Pirates. Making the claim they should be paid if large market teams want to broadcast from 3 Rivers Stadium. The Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers and a few others said they will leave MLB if that was attempted. Teams like the Yankees , Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Mariners, Dodgers and others who own their own network ( whole or in part) will not accept that.
Nor should they accept that.
That’s fine. Let them leave. Create 2 major leagues.
The majority of the population in America does not live in the large markets. And the majority of MLB teams are in small and mid markets.
You miss the point about streaming – MLB will own the network. If they have content that’s being viewed the revenue should be split between the participants. The NFL does it. The NBA and even MLB do it on national games.
How do you justify the top 5 teams having 3-6 times the annual revenue of the bottom 5 teams? OK, they deserve more – but that much more?
FYI – I’ve not followed one team for decades. I always follow at least 6-7 each year when I follow MLB (didn’t 2 of the last 4 years and don’t know if I will this year). More and more people are like me. Example – in 2013-15 one of my favorite teams to watch on MLB.TV was the Royals. I live 1,500 miles from KC. But via the Internet I could read KC papers and listen to KC talk radio. I found maybe 5 people in my area that were watching the Royals as well (all were baseball coaches that saw a team that finally played baseball correctly). And even more that loved watching them when the made the nationally televised playoffs and WS.
The point I’m making is that streaming services via the Internet no longer constrict a person to following just the team in his/her area. Technology is changing the way everything in America is done. The revenues brought in belong to those that provide the content.
You are correct. What might be the future is what is being discussed for College Football. 4 Conferences of 16-20 teams, and the schools that bring little or nothing to the table like Oregon State and Washington State being thrown out. How much TV money do people think the PAC would make if they added Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and subtracted the Beavers and Cougars?
You still don’t get it……
MLB is a business. It has franchises and owners around the country. It’s not a consortium of entities that get together over one aspect of what they sell (in your example – colleges providing their football team for games). Do colleges hold drafts to get players? Do colleges trade players? Do colleges have standard player contracts?
You’re saying that a fast food company selling franchises should be run the same as a group of independent businesses that ban together at times to buy supplies or advertising when they can get better rates for doing so. Apples and oranges.
College Football is a business. At Penn State the only profitable sports are football, men’s hoops and men’s hockey ( wrestling breaks even). I am aware that they need women’s sports due to Title 9, but men’s sports like baseball and golf would be canceled without football.
If the yankees, dodgers, mets, cubs, and boston bow out as they said they would do in the past. Do you think there will be as much revenue coming in? Yes its a business but you need attractions to make the business great.
Also with those team leaving thats what almost a billion dollars in player salaries gone and the teams that are spending the most. Where do you think top players will go? Im thinking to these teams that are unrestricted and have a lot more money coming in with the huge media exposure and there would be no minor league needed for them as they will just poach the best from the other league as needed and they wont need to have a ton of people.. They could also institute non-guarantee contract similar to NFL because with less players and more wanting to get in the owners will have a ton of power.
All the other teams will be basically end up an independent league where premium seats are 10-15 dollar most days and use schools choirs to bring ii customers (ie the parents and extrended family to hear their kids to sing).
NYYankee: I love me some Penn State Wrestling!l …… & football. Coach Sanderson was a beast at Iowa State, undefeated – sorry, I wrestled for 15 years – back to baseball!
I never saw wrestling until Penn State contended for a National Championship, so I did not see Sanderson wrestle, but he can recruit and coach like Nick Saban @ Alabama. I am also one who believes that without the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers etc the remaining teams would be somewhere between the WNBA and the Minor Leagues when it comes to fan interest ( teams like the Rays and A’s already have trouble drawing flies ( even when good)). So the NFL model is not happening.
I never saw wrestling until Penn State contended for a National Championship, so I did not see Sanderson wrestle, but he can recruit and coach like Nick Saban @ Alabama. I am also one who believes that without the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers etc the remaining teams would be somewhere between the WNBA and the Minor Leagues when it comes to fan interest ( teams like the Rays and A’s already have trouble drawing flies ( even when good)). So the Streaming and ( or) NFL model is not happening.
NYYankee: You’re so on point with the audience draw. It’s funny because many people I know get to attend baseball games during ST in Florida. Oddly enough, they always choose to go to the Yankee games first, even when they aren’t Yankee fans and their favorite teams aren’t playing…..
It is time for the minority sports to stand alone, Football and Basketball are the revenue sports in college, the others would be like club teams if they had to stand alone. Time to have them stand alone and have them see what they really are, a intramural team. Pro teams should be separate from college sports, the average student pays for the sports too! Lower tuition, if a sport can’t support itself, then make it an intramural sport.
Lindor will not sign an extension. He has been ill advised by his agent from Day 1. Lindor does not obviously look at the big picture and is simply being foolish.
I would sign an extension. Maybe get $30m or so up front so if there is a delay or even a cancellation of the 2022 season I still get paid.
Love the conversations, even if it is just for the sake of conversation.
Time will tell if anything changes the narrative of the Mets with Cohen now owning the team, it can go the Rays route or it can go the Pirates route.
What I do know is that it’s close minded to believe that an organization will stay the same under different leadership. So many things play a part and it seems Cohen is changing most if not all of it.
No 1 Met fan can argue because the Wilpon era was a joke, if this new ownership does what it seems it’s set out to do then expect Met fans to not shut up for a long time as they have taken it for a long time.
Solid points. Spot on!
Mr. Cohen comes from the investing world. I spent my career in the computer field. The best systems I’ve ever seen are those of the markets – accurate, incredibly fast. (Worldwide Crypto networks will rival them and may eclipse them – Cohen is close friends with a gentleman whose Crypto currency I own a bit of. )
Mets fans here think that under Mr. Cohens’ leadership the Mets will be throwing money at players as the Yankees do. I don’t know about that. His work is all based on statistical probabilities, and he has a reputation of being extremely analytical, analyzing something quickly and being uncanny in projecting it’s future paths.
Keep in mind that Red Sox owner John Henry is also a mathematical genius that made his fortune in the markets as well….and of course the Dodgers are owned by investment people.
Add to that Sandy Alderson’s background – he was the first to use computer data when making decisions with the A’s (he hired Billy Beane as a scout and introduced him to statistical analysis – not like the movie showed). In fact, at times while doing baseball in the Bay Area, Alderson taught business classes at Cal-Berkeley (a top-tier school).
Cohen may have come in with the bucks his first year, but I assume he’ll be working with Alderson to revamp the Mets operation from top to bottom, in the same way that Henry has brought in Bloom to that with the Red Sox. That won’t be done overnight.
As I keep writing – the Mets farm system is pretty much bare and almost all their players at the ML level are at their ceilings and about to slowly head down. It really makes no sense for Lindor to sign with the team long-term. They have major organizational restructuring to do, and rest assured Mr. Cohen will be using techniques that are a 180 from the Wilbons’ operations.
I agree with your points on a change in regime ushering different approaches.
I also think with FA available next year for Lindor , he holds leverage so he’ll get his number if they want him or risk betting against themselves and others next winter.
This has all the makings of a significant overpay if the Mets aren’t careful here. He’s coming off of a career “year,” but it wasn’t a year, it was just 60 games, so the normal ebb and flow of a long season was lost. Some players with hot streaks were rewarded, players with cold streaks were hurt in the final numbers. In Conforto’s case, he had an insane .412 BABiP, which is what drove his fluke season. Add in his career high in HRs came in the rabbit ball year of 2019, and you don’t have to squint too hard to see exactly what type of hitter Conforto is. He’s solid, but this is not a superstar. Figure a .260/.360/.480 hitter, with mid-range, 25-HR power. Corner OFer, not particuarly strong defensively. Pay accordingly, but I can see a significant overpay happening. Unsustainable career year, Boras his agent, high fan interest in retaining a home-grown player, and Cohen desperately interested in trying to change the Mets narrative.
Replacing a corner OFer like Conforto is not that difficult. If they’re going to let a player walk because the contract demands are high, Conforto is it.
News is slow and digging up old posts. Mmmm
Good example of how the player agents control the media narrative. I am pretty sure the Mets FO didn’t label their extension contract as an initial offer. .
Heh. Spot on.
They won’t win with Lindor. Can’t carry a team and uses too much of the available salary.
He doesn’t need to “carry” the Mets. He has a chance of not being a top 3 Met hitter next year. That’s why the Mets are a top 5 team.
Given that the Tatis contract has an AAV of $24.285 mil thru his age 35 season and given that each new mega contract seems to slightly surpass the one prior to that which is being used to determine the market value of the new contract, it seems like a $25 mil AAV is fair; however, if Lindor gets $25 mil AAV thru his age 35 season, that’s 9 years for $225 mil. Let’s not forget that Lindor already gave 6 of his best seasons to another ball club. The Amazon’s ain’t gettin squat from Lindor for his age 21 – 26 seasons.
I typed “Amazin’s“ and the cyber gods changed it to the “Amazons”. Funny. Anyway, neither the Mets, nor any other club that signs Him will be getting anything for 6 of Lindor’s most productive seasons. Clearly, his contract should reflect that glaring fact.
And yet, it won’t.
Cap & Crunch
Thats not his true AAV
I love conforto but I hate boras. He is lying to him about his value. Conforto is slightly worse than harper so 25 mil for conforto seems right.
He’s definitely a good player and I’d love him on my team, but it’s hard for me to see anyone meeting whatever absurd asking price Boras has.
Conforto knows he’s dealing with a big market team. And everyone knows you don’t take the first offer. 8yr/$200mil. Pay up Mets
I would laugh my ass off if someone gives him that deal.
Everyone knows you don’t take the first offer? That’s not at all true. If it’s a good offer you take it or risk the offer being pulled. No rule says that you have to be offered that much again.
Lighten up. Its a figure of speech. But you do know that in negotiations, the first offer is almost never the best offer.
If you were trying to sell your bike that you paid $150 for, and the first offer was $30, you’d take it?
No but if the offer was reasonable I likely would
I doubt he sees more than 130
Mets need to step up and sign Conforto because this was supposedly the reason why the Mets wouldnt up their offer on Springer. They were saving money for Lindor and Conforto….get it done Cohen!! LFGM
So glad Lindor’s agent is not Scott Boras.
Lindor gets 11/355
Lol @ Correa the cheater getting that much
I was just spitballing
I know he’s not getting that. Baez probably won’t get that either. He stays with the cubs. Ed Howard IV ETA is roughly 2024 according to the cubs prospect list. I think he either starts at 2nd at first and Nico Hoerner moves to SS And Baez goes to 3rd. Or Howard at SS and Nico at 2nd and Baez still at 3rd.
I do think Baez gets extended.
I’ll give him 3 years before he tanks. Similar to that albatross contract given to Pujols, it was 1 year of production 9 years of crap.
I kinda giggle when teams pay players for what they’ve done in the past. Lindors worth $175MM tops in my opinion.
Thank you. How could Lindor possibly get anything close to what Tatis got? He’s 5 yrs 49 days older and will be 35 in just 9 seasons vs. 14 in the case of Tatis. Apples to Apples.
Because he’s 1 year out from free agency where he will be able to field offers from all 30 teams as opposed to 4 like Tatis and because he has more than just 4 good months in the majors, maybe…
Baez Seaver Correa story Lindor are all impending free agents. There will be plenty of pickings on the open market, no need to overpay for Lindor.
You get what you pay for. Sure the Mets can sign somebody else for cheaper but they will end up with a lesser player.
Better value. Sometimes getting the “lesser” player is better overall
It’s possible. It’s a crapshoot. But you pay more for true stars. You may end up with a subjectively better value, but you team will not be as good because you signed the LESSER player.
It is time for the minority sports to stand alone, Football and Basketball are the revenue sports in college, the others would be like club teams if they had to stand alone. Time to have them stand alone and have them see what they really are, a intramural team. Pro teams should be separate from college sports, the average student pays for the sports too! Lower tuition, if a sport can’t support itself, then make it an intramural sport.
Lindor getting 30+, Conforto getting 20+. Don’t forget Thor probably getting 20+. Going to get interesting when Judge, Torres are due for a new deal while still paying Cole and Stanton.
In a perfect world you are right, but Title IX says no. Women’s sports must be funded (although they are often not self sufficient). I made this point before and I say it again. At Penn State football, men’s hoops and hockey are profitable and wrestling breaks even.
Sports journalism at its finest:
John Heyman on a potential Michael Conforto deal:
“Not hearing much optimism”
John Heyman on a potential Francisco Lindor deal:
“It feels like there’s a bit of optimism”
Heyman is Boras’s mouthpiece so anything he says concerning a Boras client should be taken with a grain of salt
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Ah yes, because the site is free (you’re being advertised @, that has value), you can’t offer any advice…gotta love the white knights on this site.
10 years $320 million – you heard it here first
Trout got 12 years and Betts got 13 years all at the same age that Lindor is now.
Cap & Crunch
They different breeds of cats my friend
Yeah. Betts and Trout sold themselves short. Lindor will not.