3:14PM: Mets manager Luis Rojas told reporters (including Jesse Rogers of ESPN.com) that “We’re going to go day-by-day” with deGrom, and that an injured-list placement isn’t being planned.Ā “Had an MRI, ran it through two doctors. Both had the same prognosis,” Rojas said.
TODAY, 1:22PM: Follow-up testing on deGrom’s shoulder showed “no issues,” reports Jon Heyman of MLB Network (Twitter link). New York is sending the star right-hander for a second opinion to confirm the initial diagnoses, but today’s follow-up coming back clean is certainly a relief for the Mets and their fans.
JUNE 16, 9:30Pm: deGrom met with reporters (including Deesha Thosar of the New York Daily News) after the game and downplayed the current issue. While he admitted he’s frustrated with the series of developments, deGrom suggested he didn’t believe the three health problems were related and, more importantly, sounded confident he’d avoided any serious injury. “I think it’s three separate issues. I think the lat was something to do with the swing. The elbow I didn’t think too much of, like I said I was pretty confident that that was nothing. And I’m pretty confident that this is nothing.” Manager Luis Rojas said deGrom’s prognosis will become clearer after he undergoes further testing tomorrow, but that the initial report was “encouraging” (via Tim Britton of the Athletic).
JUNE 16, 7:23 pm: Mets aceĀ Jacob deGrom left this evening’s start after three innings due to right shoulder soreness, the team announced.Ā Sean Reid-Foley replaced him to start the fourth frame.
It’s the second consecutive start in which deGrom has been forced out prematurely. Right flexor tendinitis knocked him out of his start last Friday. deGrom didn’t sound particularly concerned after that outing, and an intervening MRI came back clean. Nevertheless, it’s certainly alarming to see the game’s best pitcher removed early due to injury in back-to-back outings. deGrom also missed a couple weeks last month due to right side tightness, so he’s now dealt with side, forearm and shoulder issues this year.
As usual, deGrom was incredible tonight before he exited. He struck out eight of nine Cubs hitters across three perfect innings. The outing dropped his ERA to an unfathomable 0.54 in 67 innings on the year.
Darn, literally just turned on MLB.TV to watch him pitch too. Hopefully they can get to the bottom of this soon.
RIP he will be missed
You won’t be
He doesn’t appear to be leaving.
Its probably just a tumor.
ITāS NOT A TOOMAH
Mets need to go to a six man rotation
Can’t have a 6 man rotation if you don’t have 6 men.
You sound giddy.
You hearing words on a screen, mate? Might be the voices in your head.
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.
Considering that they barely have enough pitchers to field a five man rotation, this is a tall order. They’d be able to do it if Syndergaard and Carrasco were healthy, but they aren’t and won’t be for at least a month.
Amazing, the guy strikes out 8 out of 9 players in 3 innings to start the game and adds another rbi to his belt while hurt.
Bad news if it’s serious.
The guy is hitting .423 as a starting pitcher and has an era of 0.54.
Hope he can get healthy soon. Love watching him dominate.
Who needs Shohei Ohtani?
He’s given up 4 ER and has 6 RBI.
as of now… MVP without even a question .
Not if he keeps missing starts/innings.
He doesn’t have enough innings.
I believe he was talking about Shohei as MVP
As of today Ohtani is favorite to win the AL MVP. Just ask Vlad Jr.
Not a chance. To little innings. He needs to stop getting minor injuries to have a shot. CY no question rn.
Is he still a lock for the Hall of Fame?
About as much of a lock as your Marlins finishing in last (again).
As much as a lock as the Marlins irrelevant this season!
Kershaw won MVP with less than 200 IP and only pitching 27 games.
I own a Mets fedora because of him š
Jeez and I thought fedoras stunk on the outside!
It was a giveaway for a game I went to in 2016. Last I checked they were going for $50 on ebay…
I guess this is his schtick. Throw a few great innings then leave with an āinjuryā to keep his low ERA intact.
Hope he can qualify. 95 innings to go.
What color are your clown shoes?
While this conspiracy theory seems silly, perhaps there is some load management going on. Seems odd that team doctors would let him pitch with lingering issues. More likely he’s just hurt, but if he doesn’t miss a start, something fishy is going on.
I’ve been lurking here for a long time but you don’t appear to be a mets fan but you’re more intelligent and unbiased than some mets and a marlin fan in here.
Who’s your team? I’m curious because you’re no hater
Von is a Phillies fan but very fair and objective…
How do you report trolls?
Youāre such a clown. How did he know he wouldnāt give up runs in the first few innings against two of the best teams in the NL his last three starts, bud?
200 plus innings every year besides injury years. Ugh. I guess the world needs all types.
Nope. Just tired of the narrative comparing him to Bob Gibson and having to hear about his ERA lowering after 3 IP. Gibson was an absolute workhorse and the very definition of an Ace. When deGrom can start going deep into games then weāll talk.
Amazing some people believe their own nonsense
While Gibson had a year for the ages, the pitching mound was about 13 feet higher than it is now.
It was lowered from 15 inches to 10 inches. Not quite the difference you were thinking.
@Begone Spenglerd (parody) why do you change your username and have conversations with yourself Tipsy McStagger aka trillaryhump16 aka AustinKearnsIsNotGod?
The Giants and Dodgers are the two best teams in the NL. Who are you referring to?
The key phrase was “of the.” I think the starts of the Cubs and Padres qualify.
Troll
Itās hard to tell whatās worse, Mets fans on this site (a few at least) or Mets trolls
Never go full tard.
Thanks Rob.
This season stinks. Everyone getting hurt.
I agree
Not just MLB, either. The NBA playoffs are falling apart due to injuries, too.
Who cares about the NBA tho ?
A bunch of tall millionaires in short pants
Yawn
Might as well just cut him and see if someone is dumb enough to pick up his contract. The Angels are most certainly going to consider it.
No life?
Why he is not the cy young or mvp. You can’t be if you’re not on the field.
Why does your tag contain the word baseball, when you donāt know anything about it ?
Reminds me of JR Richard in last month of his career – just the part about leaving every start early
DeGrom is the ultimate warrior. If he had it his way, heād pitch complete games every time out, so for him to pull himself out of back to back games is concerning. He knows his body well so hopefully he is taking himself as more of a precaution than as a result of a serious injury. I can say with 100% certainty that he is not taking himself out to protect his stats. The guy just loves to pitch (and hit too it seems); it might be smart for NY to send him to the IL and let him heal up completely. He still has plenty of season left to lock up the Cy Young and possibly the MVP too if he continues to pitch the way he has been. DeGrom is one of the few players who transcends his team. Love or hate the Mets, deGrom is a guy who is must watch tv and baseball is much worse when heās not playing. Letās hope he comes back healthy and continues his streak of complete dominance.
Do you know him personally? Jacob.. Is this you?
Degrom is life bro.
Havenāt you learned?
I hope youāre right
If DeGrom is ultimate warroir then why doesnt he do what is needed to get healthy, vs miss a start here and there in get hurt again the next start..
There is being tough & there is being stupid..
IDK about you, but I like to work smart not work stupid…
Spoken like someone with a lack of competitiveness.
eh, while I think he’s tough and a gamer, I think there’s a little caution going on here. This season is a rough one due to the pandemic as we’ve seen from the injuries around the league. Would not be surprised if he was being a little more cautious than he normally would.
Sounds like he might be needing to adjust without the extras! And his arm is feeling it! His numbers this year is unbelievable.
Sucks that this keeps happening. Sure hope heās ok.
Struck out 8/9 with a sore shoulder lol.
This is no laughing matter, Sonny.
More like his mortal body cannot handle his cosmic-god level talent. It’s really insane how good he is, and he finally has some great defense behind him. While it’s early days, Mets are putting a stamp on that division. They do not lose at home.
True, but if strike out 8 of 9 you don’t really need defense!
Haha. Only for 1 play.
Hopefully heās ok, but these mounting injuries are convening.
*concerning*
Maybe DeGrom wants to only pitch in 3 inning increments to make sure he gets ERA record.
I think you are sounding jealous. You wish you had someone who could go
Out there and knock in an important run. When it counts. And oh,by the way, howās your two free agent off-season starting
Pitcher signings done lately?
Just remember, all these pitchers are hitting their close to their season totals for innings pitched all of 2020. Better safe than sorry. The season still has a ling way to go.
Heās a slacker. His father was a slacker. His kids will be slackers too.
You can be the greatest pitcher in the world but if you canāt stay on the mound you are worthless
deGrom has been pretty healthy so far, hasnāt missed many starts at all
He’s 63rd in innings pitched according to MLB.com, but whatever makes you feel better.
Jacob is the best pitcher in the game. No disrespect as he is the best when he’s out there, but there is both a quality and a quantity element in play. He has the former, but he’s struggling with the latter. Gibson pitched 304 innings in 1968 and averaged over 300 innings over three years from ’68-’70. Koufax, arthritic elbow and all, led the league in innings his final two seasons at 335 and 323. These guys were turning over the lineups three and four times starting every 4th day. I love seeing new records, so Jacob challenging Gibson would be fun, but not if he’s going to limp in with barely 150, if he even gets that many. He pitched 68 innings last year, and he’s at 67 now. That’s reliever territory so far.
You realize he led MLB in IP 2017-20
First, he had 68 innings last year because it was a 50 game season. So no, not ‘reliever territory’. Second, he’s still on pace for 180 innings this year. Again, not ‘reliever territory’ and also not ‘limping in’ with ‘barely 150’.
Third, his NL ranks for innings pitched:
2017 – 5th
2018 – 2nd
2019 – 3rd
2020 – 14th
So what is your point here?
My point is fairly straightforward. I keep seeing fans trying to position him as in the process of having the greatest season ever. I’m simply providing context. I hope he gets the chance. Fans shouldn’t get too bent by my positive but concerned comment.
But your ‘context’ is pretty inaccurate/unfair and I’m pointing that out. He’s still on pace for 180-ish innings. Not ‘limping in with barely 150’. You’re weirdly penalizing him for pitching 68 innings last year in a 50 game season and for ‘only’ pitching 67 so far this year (60 games).
And he’s regularly at the top of the league in innings pitched, so again, what is your point? The season is young yet here you are putting him in ‘reliever territory’.
I disagree. He’s pushing himself to such a degree that he’s breaking down. He doesn’t need to try and throw every pitch at 102. He has shown he can get people out effectively pitching at 95. Save the real nasty stuff for when it’s needed. That’s what Gibson and those who pitched 300 innings did. DeGrom’s max effort on every pitch threatens to be counterproductive. The Mets are going to need him come October. They’re going to need him to show up for the 4th inning in June! He’s frankly being selfish by in essence trying to embarrass every batter, pitcher included, when he doesn’t need to. Pacing is part of being a great pitcher. That’s the difference between deGrom and his predecessors.
I remember Bob Gibson’s 1968 as I was originally a Cardinals fan in 60’s and Degrom’s greatness isn’t comparable to Gibson’s who won CY and MVP that year and who won WS MVP in ’64 & ’67. Degrom doesn’t have his durability, his innings or his wins.
Agree with everything you said until the last word. Pitcher wins mean nothing, itās a stupidly calculated statistic that does nothing to further player evaluation. But other than that, spot on.
I am old school and to me wins matter although I understand deGrom’s challenged with lack of run support. This is why I mentioned Steve Carlton ( see below ) who managed to win 27 Games and 20 Games in 4 more years with the Phillies where they lost nearly every other Game that he didn’t pitch in. I watched Phillies in those years and somehow he managed to win with a horrible team behind him throwing alot of complete Games to negate RP losses.
This is Steve Carlton’s Game Log for his Triple Crown 1972:
baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=carltst0…
Pure Masterful Dominance
I think baseball needs to begin using a stat for ālead exiting gameā. So much has been made of Jakeās w-l record that it makes me wonder just how many wins heās lost due to bullpen failures. It also needs to be noted that more often than not, his offense sleeps when he pitches.
But aside from that, Iād like to see Jake figure out how to NOT throw 100-102 fast balls with 92 mph sliders and 90 mph change ups. He had thrown ONE curveball this year. I donāt think heās using a 2 seem fastball at all to get ground balls. Yet amazingly, he is in the top 5 for fewest pitches per inning!
The Mets almost need to acquire another starter just so they can skip deGrom a start here and there. I hate the opener concept because it wipes out your bullpen for the next day or two. Going to a 6 man rotation just adds a day of rest, it I donāt think thatās the issue. One day isnāt going to make a difference if his issues are body stress related. Itās not a nagging injury. It really sounds more like his in-game issues are inflammation related, in different parts of his body. Why donāt we ever see pitchers icing between innings anymore? Maybe itās itās to get on an ibuprofen and yoga pre-game program and take stretching a little more serious over working out?
The Degromination continues despite his muddled state. He’s the best player in the game right now, even above the illustrious Trout.
What about Tatis?
Tatis? No way. Have you checked the NL MVP odds anytime recently?
Good thing too. Really felt the cubs were going to have his # in the 4th. š
The only # the Cubs currently have is the one that goes up every day in the L column.
About as bad as Cubs losing over 100 games in 2012. Horrible to be stuck on that team
They are actually a very good team. But they currently arenāt playing like one.
I think they may have also led the week in striking out.
I was very surprised at how the Mets pitching held up during the last road trip. The Padres bats were really silenced (and the Cubs big bats – so far) until we got deep into our bullpen with decent leads.
Yes, they hit some homeruns, but it was off our bullpen when they can in with multiple run leads, throwing strikes.
The only pitchers really getting hurt are May and Barnes, who was just sent down. May will get bumped back below Lugo and maybe even Castro. I think May will be given a chance to get his command back and work in his breaking pitches more in lower leverage situations.
I had DeGrom in 7 draft kings lineups last night. 4th time in last week I have had a player in multiple lineups not finish game to injury. I now assume I am either a jinx or have voodoo powers. I’m going with voodoo powers.
Voodoo powers, lol. I know that feeling! My Kavemen might lead my leagues in HOB stats, āhomeruns on benchā.
Please, no more comparisons to Bob Gibson. The times are different. In 68, Gibson pitched over 300 innings and had 13 shutouts! Even if deGrom posts an ERA below 1.12 it isnāt the same.
And no more talk of being a warrior, Gibson took the hill every 4th day and had 255 complete games in his career. Athletes today are just silly with all these injuries.
Gibson would also kill to be as nasty a degrom. Gibson is a 2-3 with his stuff in todayās game.
I remember Steve Carlton was #2 SP to Gibson. He only won 329 Games with 4,136 SOs, 4 CYs, 2 WS Championships, ’72 Pitching Triple Crown 27 wins, 1.97 ERA, 310 SOs 20 game winner on horrible Philly team
No disrespect to DeGrom, but itās quite likely heād never be able to start 40 games and pitch 300 innings in a season against batters focused more on contact. Both Gibson and deGrom are great for their respective periods, as they are products of their respective periods, but it would be easier for Gibson to reduce his workload and amp up his pitches, then it would be for deGrom to be required to pitch 300 innings during his peak and maintain the same effectiveness.
I’ll take it a step further. Gibson knew he had to go 8 innings 40 times a year, every four days. He didn’t go max effort every single pitch. DeGrom’s approach is less team oriented than deGrom oriented. He wants to embarrass every batter, even the pitcher, so he’s showing no ability to pace himself. The greats know pace. DeGrom simply knows deGrom. He’s being selfish. Gibson, Seaver, etc. would be very different if they were told five and fly is fine, go max effort every pitch.
Bruh…you can enjoy deGrom without spitting on Bob Gibson. Please. You can’t compare players from different eras. To be quite honest you can’t even compare the 2019 season (with balls that flew out of stadiums at record pace) to the 2021 season. All you can do is look how far aheas a pitcher is from his contemporaries. deGrom is on another planet right now. Gibson was too.
Ask hitter today who they would rather faceā¦.. a lot of player playing today would be HOF players if you drop than off in Gibsons era.
They wouldnāt wanna face Satchel Paige.
no, a lot of hitters today would be made mincemeat of by any of the top 500 pitchers from 1900 through 2010. Maddux would twist them into knots.
Brainy pitcher > brawny hitter, every time
How much more dominant would Gibsonās ERA have been if he only needed to go 6 innings max and only start 29 games?
Another brilliant observation from Metsfan22. Never ceases to amaze with his āhot takesā. Whatās next? Alonso better than Gehrig? Lindor better than Ripken? Get out of your parents basement and get some fresh air.
Yep….it just goes on and on
Was Lou facing sherzer wheeler cole and Degrom.
How does it feel to get pounded by our aaa team!
Are you insinuating Gehrig wouldnāt fare well against todayās top pitchers? If so, save yourself the embarrassment and delete your account immediately.
He wouldnātā¦.
I performed a digital stop action analysis of Gibson’s fastball deliveries. His average speeds ranged from 112-122 mph.
This is such a āwhat have you done for me lately league.ā Now every ones acting like De Groom suck
De Groom stands alone unless the De Bride is there.
Rodney King: Why can’t we all get along! I will wait for the medical report!
Dear Jake, welcome to your mid-thirties
Where nagging injuries are a fact of life and your body doesnāt bounce back like it used to.
Accommodations may be necessary. Maybe you donāt need to throw every fastball at 101 mph. Maybe a two-seamer at 97 will be good enough. Save the high heat for when you really need it. Throw more changeups. Maybe dust off that slick curve ball. With Lindor, Guillorme, and Pillar/Williams behind you, you have a good defense for once. Maybe induce a few more groundballs or pop flies ā you donāt need to strikeout 15 every night.
Just stay healthy. Baseball needs you.
DeGrom needs to pitch more with finesse and not power. The Mets may have the luxury to sit him until after the AS Break.
I believe deGrom is a very intelligent player who knows his body snd itās limitations. His work ethic and training have never been questioned, he isnāt bulky muscled, he has great mechanics. Itās probably just routine soreness that flares up with throwing 100+ as much as he does along with all the sliders this year. Add to that limited innings last season and maybe just trying to pitch to such little contact is starting to add up.
Monday is his next scheduled start which also happens to be a double header. I believe his following start (Saturday) is also a double header.
If I were Rojas, Iād be looking for ways to limit his work load from now until the All Star break, then make sure he SKIPS that and rests up during that time. If done right, he could get 3 or 4 days off going into the break, that week, then go with Stroman, Walker, Peterson and THEN deGrom, essentially giving him almost a 2 week break.
With the double headers, thereās no reason for him to go more than 5. The Mets have a little cushion to work with and the double headers to go along with so many home games, may work in their favor. Add to that the funky schedule where they play the Pirates 7 straight. They get them going into the break AND coming out of the break. There is no need to push deGrom too hard the next 4 weeks.
@jim stem If they’re not resting him for these double headers, than I think this is some clever load management, You cannot afford to have the BPIB injured. The Mets are playing really well. They don’t need deGrom right now. Have him rest a bit, 1 or 2 games. If he’s right back there next start, something is fishy.
He needs the time off to practice pitching without cheating.
Just another hater. Must be a phone from other side of river?
I don’t hate deGrom, I’m just saying what everyone else is thinking.
You’re aware he struck out 8 of 9 before getting hurt, yes? I guess he figured it out quickly.
**fan
The truth has surfaced. deGrom had a reservation at an expensive restaurant he was dying to try and did not want to risk being late.
Sandy should be working the phone hard to find a good enough package centered around Mauricio for Jose Berrios.
Glad to hear it isn’t serious after Glasnow went down.
I’m curious with all of the short starts will he even qualify for the Cy Young award. Most winner tend to have about 200 innings. deGrom is at 67. If you average seven per start, he needs 19 more starts. That gets him to the end of the season WITHOUT missing a start. and going seven per.
If he misses, say, three starts moving forward he may not make it.
ANALytics has change the way others view pitchers today, so if he goes all season, he’ll definitely win the Cy Young. Even if he is out for the season with this new injury, they’ll probably give it to him anyway, just like his last two. ANALytics! He may not even pitch enough innings to qualify for the ERA title this year. Gotta love the new version of long relievers who happen to start games.
It’s arbitrary really. 200 IP isn’t the threshold. Obviously, his counting stats matter but voters look into context as well. He has single-handedly kept the Mets in first place. thus far. There were talks about him winning the NL MVP as well prior to his last two short outings.
Some of us have heard similar stories from the Mets doctor and how they handle injuries:
1. Player is removed from the game – Management: he’s fine it’s just precaution
2. Player misses a start – He’s not feeling well yet but it’s nothing he’ll be back next start.
3. Weeks go by, the player is nowhere to be seen. Fans spot him fishing in Florida.
4. Player is put in DL retroactive to 2 weeks before the injury. Management: this is just a procedural move, he’ll be back soon.
5. Patient at a hospital tweets about player sighting. Reporters confirm he had surgery 2 days ago. Management: this was just a cleanup but he’s ok 2-3 days and he’ll be back pitching. Next day placed in 60-day DL, out for the year.
6. Turns out the operated in the wrong arm and will take 2 years to recover.
7. Mets fail to make the postseason. Team board member, and friend of the owner, sexually harrases every woman in the office including HR director. All the women get fired, HR director promoted.
8. Spring training š
Seems accurate this year TROLL
Good news on the best in baseball! Too bad on Glasnow,He reminds me of Ben Sheets! HOF stuff! China Doll body!