The Mets have now dropped seven of their last eight games following today’s 3-0 shutout loss to the Phillies, and the bad news continued beyond the box score for New York. Javier Baez left the game due to left hip tightness, as the shortstop had to be removed following a painful at-bat in the top of the fifth inning. After hitting a grounder, Baez remained in the batter’s box in obvious discomfort, and immediately left the field.
Baez is currently considered day-to-day with the injury, and manager Luis Rojas provided some hope in telling reporters (including The Athletic’s Tim Britton) that “we’re more optimistic now” postgame than at the time Baez left the game. Rojas initially feared an oblique injury, similar to the one that has sidelined Francisco Lindor and may have provided the impetus for the Mets to acquire Baez at the trade deadline in the first place.
While Baez has gotten off to a slow start with his new team, the last thing the reeling Mets need is to lose another player to the injured list. Jonathan Villar is the likeliest candidate to take over at shortstop should Baez need a day or two to get better, but if an IL stint is indeed required, the Mets are suddenly quite thin at shortstop since Lindor, Luis Guillorme, and Jose Peraza are all still recovering from injuries.
Time to write off this season as a total Effie disaster.
Mets fans have no real right to be disappointed if Mets miss playoffs ! Injuries suck but with what they have actually had a available to play there’s no way they should be a playoff team no way ! The only two star caliber players on the team are hurt and in the case of Lindor hurt and still adjusting to a new league and surroundings
A bad week and they throw in the towel? What heart.
On the Mets sites, the so-called “fans” have been acting as though the team was in last place, 25 games out since late April. Every player sucks. Rojas is in competent. It’s all Sandy’s fault. Why hasn’t Cohen blown past the CBT threshold since the tax would mean nothing to a man that rich? And on and on..
And the result? A third place team. Almost as if the fans knew what was coming all along.
You don’t realize how ridiculous you sounded when you posted this did you?
Dawesome, I don’t go to bleacher nation. You realize you are effectively witch hunting me? How the hell am I supposed to prove that that guys isn’t me? I’m sorry if this other guy pisses you off, but you have some serious issues. Please seek help. I really mean that. Sincerely, I’m worried about the people in your life. You sound very unstable
Hey Steve not lack of heart but being smart! Why delude yourself this team was a bad team in a bad division and did nothing to help themselves at the deadline. After 13 straight with the Dodgers and the Giants plus the Yankees you really think they won’t be in 4rth place?
Coming from a long time diehard Mets fan; get rid of Sandy and rebuild.
Ummm….the Braves have lost twice as much and are in it. The Mets certainly do have the right when they were just passed today by a team dealing with more loss.
Um… what are you saying. This how Ik know most people here don’t know what they are taking about….
Braves lost the core of the line up and and ace pitcher. Soroka D’arnaud, ozuna and acuna, all all stars out most or all of this season. Way bigger hits to the team and for much longer duration than you could say about the Mets.
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.
Sick of the NYC fans complaining about injuries……
Maybe their teams aren’t that good. For sure they’re not very deep. And they don’ t know how to win games unless all their “stars” are on.
I heard last week that the Rays had sixteen (16) players on the IL. SIXTEEN! (Including losing their #1 pitcher for the season a month or so ago.)
The Rays are in 1st place and continue to win. They know how to play baseball. Their fans aren’t on here kvetching.
Great point. Rays and Dodgers proved it’s about organizational depth and not ALL star power.
Mets aren’t even full of star power ! They have one star position player one star pitcher and a nice cast of solid but nothing special players
Lol the Dodgers’ entire line up is all stars.
Dodgers sign Bauer as a hired gun like machado like Darvish and now get sherzer and turner and you talk depth ????
Why is Machado to LA to replace an injured Seager any different than Baez to the Mets to replace Lindor? Other than it worked?
La has made a major trade in nearly every deadline since 2016. You can’t do that and have half your championship 40 man roster be home grown unless you’re excellent at developing talent. Not just buying it
I get the rays but not the Dodgers who have an insane payroll and signed every available starter out there, including Cole Hammel’s.
Huh? Those two teams couldn’t be more different.
Rays (very low payroll, brilliant development of pitchers, shrewd deployment of lineups) vs Dodgers (highest payroll in history, purchase every FA allstar like a drunken bride)
I’m in my early 50’s, @sammy.
But, I look to you as a role model in my quest to become a True Curmudgeon. Your work is inspiring, serious.
Truthfully, I’ve lots of work to do. For example, the kids on my block all want to mow or shovel for me. Hey. I like to reward the little hustlers, uh?
But: I bet they fear bath robe clad Samuel’s yard! Amirite?
What I’m getting at is this; knowing my age, approximately how many decades of effort will be required until I can hit your level of general disdain & grumpiness?
Thanks in advance, sam!
Yeah let’s see how many team could be first in projected war lost by a lot and be above 500 off the top off my head???
60 players had to be used….:.
Dodgers
Mets (they are doing that rn.)
I counted 2…. Al other teams would struggle worst…./
Wtf are you saying?? Both the giants and Padres have handled their injuries better than the Mets. And are better teams
@MetsFan22 First in projected WAR? Ok, That doesn’t mean much but I’ll give you that. Lol. However, this game isn’t played on a spreadsheet. Nobody remembers who finishes in second place and misses the playoffs.
It’s difficult when all but there everyday players have been injured for a long period of time and 4 of the starting 5 pitchers have been out, including the reserves. It’s not just a basic injury for 10 days, some of these have n been months.
The Rays lead the league in strikeouts. 😉
The Rays also lead the league in wins.
Do wins still count? 😉
I was just giving an example of a Rays fan “kveching,” as Samuel said we never see here. 😉
Clear as mud.
Rays fans on here have some small complaints at times. Might see something about Wacha or Archer once in a while, but that’s about it. Management brought them in to eat innings till the youngsters could stretch out some. Rays fans get over it when they realize the priority players are getting the bulk of the playing time.
Brewers fans and Giants fans are similar as well, although some Giants fans fall into the “we’re a large market, how come we aren’t in on all the juicy rumor’s where we can pay a big salary”? They got Bryant for 2 months so they’re satisfied…..for now. Will have to look up how much those teams K on offense.
But seriously – NYC fans generally rotate between putting down other teams while telling everyone else how good theirs are, and then making excuses when their teams inevitably fall short. One would think with their pro football and pro basketball teams they would learn……..
Most of these people here are only excited by exit velocity.
New York fans overrate their teams, then yell “fire the manager” when the team falls short. It’s as if they don’t pay attention to other teams at all.
Thinking the Mets had an elite offense was a joke. Team OPS of .693. The only teams worse are Kansas City, Arizona, Miami, Seattle, Pittsburgh, and Texas. Not a great peer group.
A bigger problem to me was the report that Steve Cohen visited them in the clubhouse before the game. That is no place for the owner. Cohen has a penchant for making everything about him. That could be a problem moving forward. As it is, everyone on that team seems to be walking on eggshells. An overly involved owner will only add to the pressure.
only? spin-rate whips some into a froth as well
Definitely don’t mention bunts around here unless you want to see some grown men cry
The Rays have fans?
Injury luck aside still rather have baez over Bryant , esp since Bryant seems to want to be close to Vegas ! Baez is outright better anyways
Now that’s what I call cope
I don’t think Bryant or baez are particularly good for whatever that’s worth ! More name then substance
Between 2015-2019 the only two players with a better WAR than Kris Bryant were…wait for it….Mike Trout and Mookie Betts. That’s it.
There’s a lot more substance to Bryant than name.
2020 was a fog……where he played most of the season injured with a slightly fracture wrist.
Saying you would rather have Baez over Bryant is like saying you’d rather have Lindor than Trout.
You said it perfectly! Bryant is a top level player, 29 years old, and incredible versatile. Baez is an error committing machine, with no average or on base skills.
Plus this may just me, but he seems a tad hot doggish for my taste!
Lindor has more playoff wins, so maybe it wouldn’t be a bad choice. Trout is the equivalent about having the shiniest car in the junkyard.
@hiflew I’m a 39 year old life long Mets fan who still gives Lindor credit despite the off year and I’ll call BS on that. Trout is our generations Mickey Mantle
Bryant is a good player, but wasnt the 3rd best player in baseball over that span.
Dark side—the real point there was to get rid of the silly notion the Javy is better than KB…..and by one (of many) widely accepted metrics Bryant certainly was one of the best three players in baseball between 2015-2019.
Eye test maybe not…..but when it comes to flat out plying…he’s been pretty darn good. Don’t let that recency bias of 2020 cloud what he accomplished.
Yep. I wanted Bryant instead of Baez too. And a starter and a reliever. They really pooped the bed this deadline and it will cost them the division.
@sfes Not even close. Mantle’s reputation is mostly from his World Series feats. Yes he was great in the regular season, but he holds many World Series records. Trout will probably hold one, most career WAR that did not equate to a World Series title.
Trout is a great player, likely the best of his generation, but what does it really matter in the end? All it shows is that individual stats really mean nothing other than fun for the fans. Stats are great, but they are just white noise when it comes to the true purpose of baseball, winning the World Series.
Sounds like the bumgarner is better then kershaw takes lol
Exactly
You would rather have Baez than Bryant?
Career OPS
Baez: 775
Bryant: 887
Baez is basically a league average hitter, with his ceiling being an ops+ of 129, which is lower than Bryant’s career ops+ of 134
Offensively Bryant is a far superior player. Bryant has a higher ceiling, and higher floor.
They both offer some defensive versatility, but Bryant being able to play 1st, 3rd, and outfield basically allows him to be a every day starter any any team in mlb.
I honestly wouldn’t touch Baez with a six foot pool. I think once his loses even a little bat speed, his low OBP skills will catch up with him.
They should’ve signed a pitcher instead of another all or nothing hitter.
I’ve said it once I’ll say it again but Baez has to be one of the most overrated players of the past few years. For every incredible highlight reel play he commits two boneheaded errors and can’t even get on base at a .300 clip consistently.
His bat reminds of Pedro Feliz (not a compliment), swinging at sliders 2 feet below the zone, rocket of an arm, and can hit the ball a mile.
I say that realizing Baez is better than Pedro Feliz haha.
@noel. Do you remember how sad our pitchers made Baez look? I don’t think he hit 2 balls fair the entire series. I’m actually surprised they traded for him after all his swings and misses against our staff. It’s a great ‘on paper’ addition, but is he going to make difference if he strikes out another 100 times?
The way Davis has struggled, he’s headed for a platoon but Rojas hadn’t figured out his splits are backwards. Same with Dom, who should be starting at 1b here and there to give Pete a break. These hitting coaches don’t seem to have clue other then reading stats.
He cursed the Mets
Time to rebuild, Cohen. Should be ready to compete in about 12 years when Lindor is off the books.
In 12 years Bonilla should be off the books as well
Heartbreaking Season, after all I’m a Met Fan . And the off season will be even worse. No bait to trade with and free agent players available is running thin.
I’m seriously concerned for the well being of metsfan22 at this point, I haven’t seen him in ages and things aren’t going well for his Mets.
Stop it……he’s obviously hanging out with Karma……you know that force that considers championships won in June.
I’ve been here… and will when the Phillies falte… it’s in their DNA. It’s who they are.
@MetsFan22 You need to worry about the Phillies and, perhaps even more importantly, the Braves. Mets can definitely still win it. That’s the difference here. You don’t see Phillies fan proclaiming their team to be a top-3 powerhouse. Confidence is great, but you’re an absolute fool if you’re dismissing the other teams in the division. By the way the Mets lose all the tie breakers because of their in-division record. It’s going to be an exciting race to the finish. Finally some teams in this division woke up, and surely, the Mets will wake up before season’s end.
VonPurpleHaze,
The Mets are dead men walking coming up with 13 straight Games against Dodgers and Giants.
Wheeler cut through that lineup like butter. They can’t hit fastballs. LOL
@Robrock a lot can change in a week. The Phillies looked awful before the deadline.
VonPurpleHayes,
I watch 99% of the Mets Games. They can’t hit especially with RISP, and their pitching isn’t good enough to play with the Big Boys (Dodgers & Giants) over the next 13 Game stretch.
Mark those dates, Mets are Dead!
@Robrock30 While, I don’t think they’re dead, I will agree that they’ve never looked as good as the Braves and Phillies do now. Their offense never really got going outside of a brief week against low tier teams in May. So to your point, I can see them continuing to free fall, but at the same time despite recent play, the Braves and Phillies were mediocre for most of the year. I can easily see them slipping as well. The problem is, the Mets need 2 teams to fall, not just one.
I said it before, and I stand by it, this will come down to the last week of the season.
Come on kid, were you alive in 07 and 08? This is what the Phillies do to us. You need to be weathered. You need to survive an ‘88 or the whole first half of the ‘90s. Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid an 07 or 08. Or Losing an NLCS Game 7 in the final innings.
2008/1986.
2008 may have been a good while ago now but 35 years is a long time to not be relevant.
Haha. I love it. Guy was a tool.
Mets have a disease, it’s called bad decisions.
The manager will be a good one in coming years. He’ll learn from his mistakes.
Twice the past few weeks he got thrown out of games trying to spur on his team. Didn’t work. His team is not aligned with him – a veteran manager would have known that. Saturday after the game he said today was a “must win”. The last thing that team needed to hear. Where is he now? Not sure he’ll last out the season.
Look – their D is bad. The juiced baseball is no more. Alonzo may still hit HR’s, but it won’t be 50. And he’s not driving the ball. Is he another Dave Kingman? Time will tell. And the sad thing is that he and Dom are 1B’s in a league without a DH. They’re best friends and the heart of the team. So they had to put Dom in LF which he is awful at – covers little ground, and may have the worst OF arm in MLB (when he has to throw into 2B, 3B or to the cutoff man, he cannot throw on a line. So he throws a Hail Mary up in the air and runners get the base while the defender receiving the throw waits for the ball to come down). If that’s not bad enough, it forces Nimmo over to CF which he is below average at playing, but left in LF he’s terrific.
That entire roster has needed to be restructured for years. To do that they have a rookie manager and an Interim GM.
Fortunately they’re in the NL East. Unfortunately the Phillies have a WS winning GM and Manager – that are restructuring that team on the fly. And the Nationals have a WS winning GM and Manager – appears they’ll be big players on the FA market as they look for new cornerstone stars to go with Soto, Ruiz, Kieboom and others. Rest assured that they’ll be competitive by 2023, and still getting better. And……..
Mr. Cohen may have lots of money. But so do the Phillies and Nationals owners.
@samuel. I couldn’t even read your entire post. Dom had looked like a gold glove left fielder this year. Seriously, he has improved so much since he was thrust out there, he’s not even the same player.
I called it when it happened, and I think I may have been alone in this feeling: the Mets will miss Chili Davis’ influence on the young hitters he mentored.
You just can’t coach from a binder alone.
Whoops, this puts a period after 2021. Sucks for the Mets
Lindor and Baez? That’s terrible. Stupid thing to do. Mets won’t make the playoffs and honestly they should rebuild
Paging MetsFan22….
Wonder how she is doing
Is referring to the female gender supposed to be an insult?
No, I genuinely guess she is a female.
The Mets still have a good team, don’t forget Thor is coming back next year. They’ve been the most injured team in the majors
Uhhhh Thor is a FA after this season so….
The white Sox are on line 1. And they played way better than the Mets
White Sox, Rays, Dodgers, Giants, Padres all have had a ton of injuries and have been miles better than the Mets
And no trade bait! oh I forgot? Nolan Ryan for Jim Forgosi
Guys come on…No one is catching the Mets this year. Phillies aren’t a playoff team. Mets will be NL East champs. Done deal. Just ask Metsfan22. He will tell you all day in between playing dungeons and dragons in his parents basement.
Didn’t Manfred give the pennant to the Mets already to save time?
Bring back Chili Davis? Maybe then can learn to hit again!!
Guess metsfan22 will be metsfan23 next year in the comments section. Cause it’ll always be their year next year.
I love that he is getting dragged in these comment sections for his year long “hot takes”.
She*
Seems like something you should actually know before correcting others…
All the not so pleasant attention MetsFan22 is getting just cracks me up. I’ve seen his name mentioned and even starting THREE different conversations and I was just casually scrolling around. I imagine this fourth mention of his name won’t be the last.
Sometime ago, I suggested that he should go a little easier on all the trash talking and predictions because he might create a situation where he is hounded for as long as he posts here as MetsFan22. Here it is. His Mets are sliding and now we’re all over him. Imagine what it will be like if they don’t even make the playoffs let alone win the division?!?! But don’t take what I am saying as sympathy for the guy. He’s reaping what he sowed.
I’m still not convinced he’s a real mets fan and isn’t just trolling people, but if he is, he’ll just blame it on injuries and switch to next year.
@1984wasntamanual This right here. He’s having fun with all of us. I fall for it all the time.
Still better takes than your “Rockies attach a top prospect to get rid of CJ Cron” comment
Just Mets being Mets lol worst training staff I have ever seen
Swing, and a miss. Bye Javy. Thanks for nothing.
They should’ve gotten Bryant and Kimbrel instead of Baez and traded for Berrios, they were in 1st place and needed to get better to stay there instead look at what happened. They traded for Baez and Williams and haven’t seen him yet, and gave up their CF of the future, damn idiots.
WTF
Bring back Chili Davis! Maybe they will learn to hit again?
Seriously, with all kidding aside. The Mets should sign the stuffed horse
Let’s be honest. The way the Mets been going, the stuffed horse would be put on the IL with torn stuffing within a month.
Maybe call Bobby Bonilla, he’s still getting paid. Surely he can help right the ship
I was born with glass bones and paper skin
David Wright? Is that you?
It is amazing the fragility of some of the “fans” on here. The Mets are a half game out and have had a bad couple of weeks and people are saying to chuck it all and rebuild for the next 4 years. Calm down Chicken Little, the sky is not actually falling.
They have paid way too much for all of their players. Cano is coming back next year which makes a log jam and screws things over even more. So yeah, how dare we imply that the Mets rebuild. Do you honestly think they could win the World Series? No
Cano will be released. And theyll resign Baez to play 2nd and have $45M+ dumped into one position.
Did someone say Cano?
ps I had this screen name at the time of the trade and way before he got popped a second time. Mets are stuck with him. 🙁
Please don’t ask me a question and then answer it yourself. That is one of the more annoying habits of people nowadays.
Anyway, if the Mets win the East, then yes I do believe they could win the World Series. They have the talent to get hot for a month. That is all the playoff are. The best rarely ever wins. It’s just who gets hot during October.
And there is zero chance that Cano ever plays another game for the Mets. They will probably just find the same guy that injected Mejia to inject Cano and get him banned for life, thus negating their contract altogether. I kid, but with that much money involved, people have done worse.
“The Mets are a half game out and have had a bad couple of weeks”
2.5 games out and in third place.
But they are about to play the Nats so that should help, especially with the Phillies playing the Dodgers and the Braves playing the Reds. Might change a few positions in the next couple days.
They also have two weeks straight of nothing but giants and dodgers in mid August! They won’t lose all those games but probably most of them for sure
Don’t forget the Yankees, Redsox, and Brewers, give it up Mets are dead. And I am a long time fan.
The Nats will take them too!
@cmurphy. We also just got done playing 7 games with the Pirates and 4 with the Marlins where we looked completely overmatched at the plate. We have been lifeless since deGrom’s last start. It just goes to show how heavily this team relies on him being out there every 5th day, win or lose.
Our front office truly whiffed at the deadline in regard to adding pitching depth. We needed to have six healthy starters so Walker could get a few weeks off. He’s toast. I didn’t believe it before and hate to admit it, but ever since the no sticky substance change, all our pitchers have lost movement and speed.
@hiflew don’t delude yourself the sky has fallen and its time to be smart as I said early on this year and rebuild!!!
I hope you will be convinced after the Mets play 13 straight against the Dodgers and the Giants and still have a series with the Yankees, Brewers and RedSox.
I am a long time Mets fan; time to get rid of Sandy, Diaz, and Rojas and rebuild for the future.
deGrom injury is a killer. The Mets pitching is still decent. Teams go through hitting slumps. They’ll be in the mix at the end of September
They will be in the mix fighting for 3rd place
I’m my a celebrity???
Laughing stock is the better term
Just like the Mets
Almost as big as burrow_is_a_bust prior to him being banned.
As long as I don’t make fun of anyone or say bad words I should be good
MetsFan22 haa done nothing remotely close to being banworthy.
I have Javier on my fantasy team. He’s been ok. Overall we are in 6th place out of 10. We’ve had our ups and downs, suffered some injuries and had a few bone head moves of not setting my lineup (while on vacation to Bismarck.) the buy is was huge at $1,000, but the prizes are weird: first place gets $3,000, 2nd place gets a trophy and 3rd place gets a certificate. (All get ribbons for participating with the name of their team and the year). But I’m like, what happens to the other $7k? And don’t tell me the trophy, certificate and ribbons cost that much. Still waiting on answers and hoping to bounce back and get into the play offs. (Top 5 seeds make it) (the commissioner gets an automatic bid to the playoffs despite
Being in 8th place which I don’t agree with). Hope Baez comes back soon.
U spent 1000$ on a fantasy baseball league…… cmon man!
Yeah for real I could use a few bucks.
that is really, really, well done!
don’t know what you do for a living, but you’ve got some writing and comic chops!
You may already know the, but you’re being robbed bro. I run tons of fantasy leagues and the commissioner getting into playoffs is insane. I don’t even take a $$. $7000 unaccounted for? R u sure Trump isn’t running your league?
I still think Nimmo is a great player to have and not a 4th outfielder like so many think. On base machine!
I agree sfes, and he has great at bats, but he’s really been slumping. Not a coincidence. As he goes, so do the Mets.
It’s pretty incredible considering the kid was drafted out of Wyoming. All off-season the talk was that he was a 4th outfielder, but all of he time he’s played in the big leagues he’s been the ideal lead off guy. Especially when he’s showing some power.
Doesn’t Drury also play short?
Might be time for Ronny Mauricio bat 8th and get some experience. I watched him play last weekend and he hit two nice line drives and looked very smooth in the field. Added bonus, I got to see Alvarez hit two homers, too. One bomb went to left that almost left the facility and another to straight away center. We have to hang on to him, he’s got a really quick bat.
Then again, if we can’t score with our regulars, it doesn’t really matter who put at short.
Dodgers’ probable starting pitchers this week against the Phillies and Mets:
8/10 @ PHI – Max Scherzer
8/11 @ PHI – David Price
8/12 @ PHI – Mitchell White (opener)
8/13 @ NYM – Julio Urias
8/14 @ NYM – Walker Buehler
8/15 @ NYM – Max Scherzer
“Scariest environment imaginable, that’s all you had to say” – Owen Wilson, Armageddon
Buehler doesn’t scare me at all. I remember alonso hitting two bombs of him in one day.
I remember Alonso proclaiming himself to be the best power hitter in baseball and then going 0 for 21.
Do you pay attention to any teams or players other than the Mets?
Walker Buehler ERA by month:
April: 3.16
May: 2.18
June: 1.85
July: 1.67 (NL Pitcher of the Month)
August: 1.50
With deGrom likely out for most if not all of the remaining games, the Cy Young frontrunners are probably Buehler and Wheeler. By the way, the team that Buehler takes the field with is pretty darned good. There isn’t a Mets everyday player who would start for the Dodgers. Enjoy not being scared. We look forward to your next batch of excuses.
It will be really interesting to see if there is a team out there willing to give Javy big money and a long term deal.
They’d be fools to do that. He’s more sizzle than steak. He’s capable of other worldly plays, but he’s also capable of costing his team the game with stupid plays. He’s not shown much progress in the past few years, so that does not suggest he’ll be able to adapt as his body gets older and the pitchers figure out how to exploit his aging body.
I hate to see it and hope fans dont end up hating baez but this could be baseball evening things out for the beltran trade.
Since when is it notable that Javy Baez did not run out a grounder?
I wonder where all the posters are now? I am a long time Mets fan, when I said early on the Mets should look to the future this year as they have no good starters in the minors coming up soon; they are saddled with Lindor and Cano’s salaries next year and DeGrom’s status to pitch in 2022 is still up in the air. People said you don’t know baseball?
Well if I don’t what are you left with now? Mets are in 3rd place soon to drop to fourth!
They only have Degrom, Cookie, and Walker signed for 2022. You traded away now your second CF prospect without even having a real CF for a broken rental player when everyone knew they needed pitching. Everyone said Mets are a lock for the playoffs; guess not as I said early on. Deluded by a first place run in a last place division.
Time to move on from Diaz, Sandy, and Rojas! New owner but same old Sandy.
If Scott was not going to get pitching at the deadline and knew DeGrom was out we should have traded Stroman, not picked up Baez and tried to trade Diaz at the deadline.
You are now left with a team that is going to be bad for a long time.
I see Edwin Jackson in the future for the Mutts another bad pitcher to be signed and released 2 weeks later