The Mets have added a quartet of players to their 40-man roster tweets Tim Healey of Newsday. The Mets players being added to the roster, and thus being protected from the impending Rule 5 draft, are shortstop Ronny Mauricio, infielder/outfielder Mark Vientos, and right-handed pitchers Jose Butto and Adam Oller. The Mets now have 36 players on their roster.
Mauricio has appeared among Baseball America’s top 100 overall prospects in each of the past three years. The switch-hitter’s best attribute is his big power from both sides of the plate, but Mauricio has moved fairly slowly up the minor league ladder. He’s posted subpar strikeout and walk numbers, and he’s coming off just a .242/.290/.449 showing over 420 High-A plate appearances. Still, Mauricio boasts a rare level of power for a player projected to stick on the infield.
Vientos is a former second-rounder who mashed at a .281/.346/.580 clip with 22 homers over 306 Double-A plate appearances. He struck out at an alarming 28.4% clip and isn’t particularly well-regarded defensively, but those numbers highlight massive raw power that has made him an intriguing prospect for years. BA slots him fourth among New York farmhands.
Butto and Oller are both coming off strong high minors campaigns. The former, whom BA named the Mets’ #13 prospect entering 2021, worked 40 1/3 innings of 3.12 ERA ball over his first eight Double-A starts. Oller, 27, is older than most prospects, but he earns a roster spot after tossing 120 frames of 3.45 ERA ball between Double-A and Triple-A this past season.
How long do you have to be in an organization before you can get picked? Brett Baty is not eligible to be selected, I take it?
Four years if you signed at 19 or older, and five years if signed 18 or younger.
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Baty was signed as a 19 year old, so he has to play four professional seasons before he becomes eligible.
Eligible at anytime but you don’t have to be put on the 40 man until four or five years after your initial amateur contract. If you’re not on the 40-man by then they you you can be exposed to the Rule 5 draft and taken by another club.
1. You’re wrong. Your whole statement is condescending. 2. You’re wrong.
I wonder who did that. Alderson? Eppler doesn’t even know the system
I think Eppler could figure it out. Not that complicated. Mauricio is their top prospect.
Well it does take some time. To me Baty is the top prospect and maybe the top prospect in baseball
That will be an unpopular opinion and it will be trashed but in my opinion Baty and Rutschman are competing for #1 overall right now
Nah.. Baty is top 25 but not 1. Alvarez is top 5.. Mauricio top 50 based on potential.. and Allen is around top 50 bc he is hurt rn Vientos is top 30ish… this isn’t a prospect list just my opinion..
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Not just an unpopular take, but patently absurd. I mean, come on, how much of a homer do you need to be?
Baty isn’t even the Mets too prospect lol
You’re overvaluing them. Baty is probably top 50. Alvarez is maybe top 25. Mauricio might be the only one you mentioned that you have about right.
Well, like I said, my opinion is going to be canned because people rely on the prospect lists and consensus that has formed
But you have to understand, prospect lists are not the lists internal MLB organizations have. Often the actual top prospects are radically different than prospect lists from BA, etc
I do think Baty is the top prospect in baseball out of the Top 100 prospect lists available. I don’t think Julio Rodriguez, Bobby Witt, etc are better than Baty
The top 100 lists are often pretty wrong and they’re often afraid to go against an established consensus
Many of the guys who become the star players are lower down on the lists
Alvarez is 19 years old and will move to best catching prospect in baseball once Rutschman moves up to Baltimore.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Way to assume why people (everyone) dont have the same silly opinion as you. I don’t base mine off of any of the reasons you said, I have watched him play as a pro, and nothing screams “best prospect in baseball” any of those times.
Unless you have in depth knowledge and can watch hundreds of prospects, opinion of watching one prospect can only be about the individual, not where they rank
You probably don’t really know how to project players
Alvarez for instance has weight issues. His mechanics do not project well
Most people will flip out when you go against the prospect lists
I also said back in April that Luis Robert is the best hitter in the game. I said Walsh of the Angels is among the top 10 hitters in the league
Everyone laughed and said I was nuts then too. But Robert went out and put up a huge season. So did Walsh
I said the same thing about Tim Anderson when he wasn’t hitting years ago. That he was one of the best hitters in the league
The point is I’ve been through this many times before where people are trashing my statements
You sound like a tool.
You’re just taking wild guesses and passing it off as something more. No one cares.
Yet 8 people replied
Alvarez is consensus top 5
Camden, I agree, who the top prospect is is subjective and prospect lists are merely for quick reference. When I said Mauricio was their top prospect I was speaking generally, it’s not set in stone. Mauricio, Alvarez, Baty, it’s all a matter of opinion and each have legit cause for someone to think they are the number one.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
You’re still absurd. Walsh is not a top 10 hitter, how did he do against lefties?
Good thing your opinion on prospects means nothing
As opposed to all the weight carried upon your opinion on their opinion.
@Camden453 It’s not unpopular, friend, it’s just wrong.
Rutschman is a catcher who thus far has hit like Piazza, a superstar in college who dominated AA and AAA. Baty’s an error prone 3Bman who struggles to hit for power when promoted, who needs time to adjust in AA, and that more outlets than not omitted from their top 100 lists.
Authentic stars and #1’s regularly put up lines like .300/.400/.520 with plus defense. Baty only did in once, in 25 PA in rookie ball.
@Cosmo2 No, they don’t, and no, everything is not subjective. By all means, though, show us a single prospect who did well in the majors for several years who stop after stop put up an OBP of .300 while pro rated to 40 errors in a season. Go ahead. Please.
Mauricio also couldn’t be in a worse organization for his weak skill set. Year after year he puts up an OBP guaranteeing failure in the majors, and the Mets keep promoting him. It exceeds ‘ridiculous.’
Mauricio is 3, after Alvarez and Baty, but he was easily the best rule V eligible guy
I would assume that teams have a number of people beneath the GM who work hard at putting together stuff like a list of potential players to select. Even with no GM, these people are still working because the world doesn’t stop spinning just because you’re looking for a new GM. Then the new GM hits the ground running and can have final say in making the selections.
Or maybe it is Alderson. Or a combination of all of the above.
Well, when DeGrom was in the minor leagues I said he was a potential ace. And everyone said I was crazy because he wasn’t on top 100 lists and he was only around #14 on Mets top 30 list, and he was only an 8th round pick
I didn’t think he would be this good and win Cy Youngs and break all time records, but I said he had ace potential
I also said Matt Harvey when he was at AAA once he lost velo he would not be able to survive in the league
Everyone trashed me then too because he was a top prospect on the lists
I’m not bragging. I’m not saying I’m a scout. But I don’t just think a guy is better because he’s higher on top 100 lists
Crazies in Camden
Lmfaoooo gtfoh you going to claim you knew degrom was going to be good. Some people apparently think the rest of the world is stupid or something. Unreal what a joke that was. Just stfu.
yep, sure did, along with many others
And youre one of the mob of casuals who don’t know how to project anything and flip out on those that go against the prospect lists because you think the prospect lists are the top prospects
Think for yourself. Don’t just go along with prospect lists and consensus at the time
People like you go absolutely bananas when I say things like Baty is the top prospect in the game, but I’ve been right for years and have been hearing this same type of violent opposition for years
The reason I’ve been right is it’s not that hard to project these guys. I can look at one at bat or a few pitches and see what the guy will be
No, I’m not right all the time, but most of the time I am
Okay good for you. With your skill why are you not in a front office?
Because I don’t want to be
I didn’t jump on you for your rankings, it’s literally impossible for you to scout hundreds of other players.
What part of ‘rank’ do you not understand. You can’t look at one car and put it at the top of the car and driver list, you have to analyze all other cars and then rank them. Which you haven’t done, get that through your thick skull, sheesh.
If you watched Baty and think he’s going to be a star then say so, go for it if it’s what you believe, but you can’t say that he’s the number one prospect in baseball BECAUSE YOU HAVENT SCOUTED ALL THE OTHER PROSPECTS.
Your scouting is just BS, you watch a few games say they are going to be amazing, and then once and while you’re right and gloat to feel cool on these boards. Why don’t you tell us about the dozens of times you were wrong about a player? You’re like a gambler who only tells everyone when they win, meanwhile you lose way more than you win
Seriously, why is common sense dead.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Well, when Babe Ruth was in the orphanage I said that he would be the best dual threat player ever, and that he would finish with 714 HR. And almost my entire barbershop quartet disagreed.
You are a smug d-hole, just FYI. Everyone can agree on that.
The problem with Harvey wasn’t velo, it was bad habits, too much party time and injuries. And the party time and too much throwing on off days contributed to his injuries
I don’t think the partying had much of an effect. That was all overblown in my opinion.
There’s literally an entire staff of talent evaluators
If only they were actually good at it.
Carlos Cortes is another player I’d have liked seen selected as well.
Cortes is probably safe. A 24 yo corner OFer with a weak OBP? The Mets moved him off 2B entirely. He doesn’t really have a future except as a July callup and someone’s 8th OFer.
Someone is going to take Rincon and Cortes
Beane will take rincon and pay the $250000
I believe it only costs $50K for a Rule V pick and not $250K.
You missed the reference
Mets should select a new owner
Seems like a pretty awesome owner! Is there another owner in baseball that doesn’t care about the luxury tax and just wants to spend whatever it takes to win championships as soon as possible through free agency and long term through building the farm system? This guy is a fans dream! It’s awesome for players, they can get top dollar, it’s awsesome for fans, because it doesn’t matter if they overpay for a player or have a contract that is seems long, it won’t stop other signings! What is better than that? The other 29 owners might end up not liking him, but If all a fan has to put up with are some poor tweets………..like i started with, he seems like a pretty awesome owner!
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Imagine thinking anything of what Faulkner said was true. Some of those things directly correlate to not winning long term and they ain’t winning short term.
What isn’t true? Cohen has been clear that he is not concerned with how much he has to spend, he just wants to win. With the expected free agent flurry that Eppler is about to undertake, 2022 will be the first year in the history of the Mets that the Mets payroll will exceed the Yankees. Imagine that, Queens has deeper pockets than the Bronx…………..
Ducky Buckin Fent
Words don’t always equate to action.
For example, I can’t quite take the “he doesn’t care how much he spends” take seriously in light of the fact he didn’t cross CBT threshold one last year. That *action* implies to me (indeed quite strongly) that he really does care about spending & definitely has a limit.
The awesome part about this is, we shall see very soon who is correct. Eppler is about to spend like there is no tomorrow before the impending lockout…..and he won’t have to knock down agents doors, agents will be drooling to talk to the guy that has an open checkbook and works for the richest owner in baseball.
Who’s he going to spend on?
Thor and Conforto got out. Stroman will make it official in the next couple of months. I can only imagine the veteran Mets that are stuck there till free agency that have asked their agents to get them out. And the Mets hired a FO head that wasn’t even working in baseball…..again. (Who knows if they even interviewed anyone that was.)
You people really think that quality free agents are waiting with glee to sign with that team?
What’s in the water in NYC?
Yea, everybody cares about how much they spend and everyone has a limit. That limit might be 280-300 million (which is ridiculously stupid) but there’s still a limit. And, again, to raise the payroll that high, especially for this team now, would be really dumb.
You can’t pay every guy on the roster 35 mil a year. They have to keep building up their minor leagues too
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All I’m saying, @Cosmo is I heard the same takes last year. For one, I simply do not believe he doesn’t care about the mets not being profitable. He has conducted himself with an eye on profits in every single previous business undertaking.
& he didn’t pay a luxury tax last year.
We will see as @Falken said. But I am not buying it. Especially in light of last winter.
Again words do not equal action.
Incredible that people believe what they’re told.
STEARNS IS GOING TO LOVE WORKING FOR STEVE COHEN!!!!
David Stearns has already worked for the Mets twice. As a summer intern with the Brooklyn Cyclones in between semesters at Harvard, and again after stints with the Pirates and MLB in 2007. Then he was off to the Indians, the Astros and now the Brewers working his way up the Baseball ladder. He credits Theo Epstein, Sandy Alderson and David Forst as game changers in the industry! He grew up a Mets Fan. Why wouldn’t he want the POBO position when his contract in Milwaukee is up? It’s the perfect homecoming!
You think Eppler is the sort of guy Stearns wants as his GM? Totally different outlooks on how to structure a team.
That “We’re waiting for Stearn’s” BS died when they brought in Eppler.
You really think they signed Eppler to a 4 year contract and then will bring in Stearns in a year?
What’s in the water in NYC?
Eppler was hired as GM, the POBO spot is still open. The Mets just decided to put off hiring someone as the POBO for the time being and have already said they will look again next year. Think of it this way, Eppler is Jed Hoyer, Stearns is Theo Epstein…….just a different level.
Eppler is in charge of all baseball decisions. His background is that of a former scout. He doesn’t know much about analytics and has never bought into them in his career.
Stearns runs a strong analytic FO. His top people are immersed in that way of structuring a team. He wouldn’t want Eppler as a farm director or head of scouting, let alone his GM. You think Eppler took that job and is moving cross country knowing he’d have a new boss in a year that he couldn’t work with?
Epstein and Hoyer think alike in most baseball matters.
So you are saying that the guy that in 2016 insisted “old school” Mike Scioscia embrace that “everything is taken into account when evaluations are made, and that includes Sciosica studying all forms of advanced stats.” doesnt believe in analytics? news.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/angels-gm… Eppler is a middle of the road guy with a background in NY who was biding his time with WME until an MLB opportunity came. As for the President position, this was reported today including the quote from Alderson: The Mets failed to hire a president of baseball operations for a second season and aren’t shutting the door on hiring one next season with Eppler remaining in the GM role.
“There’s an opportunity here, for a year at least, to establish yourself to grow to the point where we may not even do a search a year from now for an additional person or an additional person above the general manager role,” Alderson said. “We will have a year’s experience and Steve and I will take a look at the end of the season and make a decision about the direction he wants to go. But Billy has lots of opportunities here to establish himself to grow and have an impact on that decision a year from now.”
It’s been well reported that Eppler is close friends with Brewers president David Stearns who the Mets have tried to hire the last two seasons.
Crazies in Camden
Put down the drugs
Eppler mentioned analytics in his first press conference and the Mets are building up their analytics department. But I like the fact that he said it cannot measure everything. So you can’t say he doesn’t use analytics at all.
They can’t be paying you enough to pretend you believe the shiny keys that are David Stearns they’re waving in front of the infant that is the casual fan.
They just can’t. Please stop. Listening to billionaires with stuporous credulity is morally wrong.
Oller’s a curious piece. probably worth protecting.
Oller’s going to be 27 and has about 45 successful innings above A ball on his resume. But I agree he’s worth protecting—that’s how bad Mets minor league pitching is.
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Would have dumped Maz and added Senger
Now go out and sign Max Scherzer Kyle Schwarber Johnny Cueto Kris Bryant Buck Showalter
Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman, Marcus Stroman & Carlos Rodon are about to be offered their dream contracts. The first 3 to say yes get the gold. Javier Baez will get whatever it takes, as will Seiya Suzuki & Raisel Iglesias ………Christmas is coming early in Queens
I didn’t realize the weed was that strong in NY, always thought the better stuff was on the west coast
Sid Bream Speed Demon
And they will still suck.
Do you really believe that Robbie Ray is going to choose the Mets over re-signing with Toronto and the pitching coach who revived his career? Also, Gausman re-signing with SF is about as big of a lock in the Free Agent Contest as there is. So you should probably reset your expectations some with the two best SP available signing elsewhere (outside of Scherzer). I can definitely see the Mets overpaying for Iglesias though and maybe luring Stroman back, but a lot of teams are going to be in on Stroman and he may want to pitch on the west coast as well.
The only way the Mets sign either Ray or Gausman will be with a huge overpay and I don’t think Cohen would do that. It would take a $200M contract for either of them to sign with the Mets…7/$210M sounds about right.
That’s a 300 million dollar payroll for a mediocre team
They left the 4 Roster Spots a open for a REASON …..
Stro and 3 more FAs
Kershaw, Rodon, Adam Eaton, villar back
There is room beyond 4, for the right signings, guys like Sean Reid-Foley and Trevor Williams will lose their spots, JD Davis will be traded etc.
Can’t let Alvarez Baty Mauricio or Allan go. They’ll be fighting to make the team in ‘24, possibly some in ‘23. This winter grab Desclafani, Rodon, top relievers, trade for/sign 2B 3B three starting OFs.
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The Mets are literally the only team that generate so much trash talk because they protected players for Rule V. It’s amazing how much hatred is opined on this board for this team. Mr. Met must have run around boinking everyone’s moms in the early 80s or something. The Wilt Chamberlain of mascots.
Get over it, people. There are far worse organizations in MLB. Some who don’t even try to appease their fan bases, or who have been caught cheating in the World Series.
This is the first time I’ve heard Vientos referred to as an outfielder. Does he actually play a good outfield or are the Mets trying to force it like they often do?
I think the verdict is still out but it’s a lot easier to make that change at his age/level than it is to do mid major league career. Baty is also a third baseman, necessitating the experiment.
It has nothing to do with Baty. Nothing. Vientos cannot play 3B. He will never play 3B in the majors.
Vientos is hopelessly overmatched at 3B, pro rating to 40 errors per season. The Mets responded by moving him position to position every few days. Beyond ridiculous. He and Mauricio couldn’t be in a worse organization given their shortcomings. It’s… something.
Imagine how ignorant wrt baseball Cohen must be to have not just hired Billy Eppler, but to have him thoroughly subordinate to Sandy Alderson.
Jeff Wilpon never left.