I don’t live in NY or dallas. My dad was a huge Mets fans. So I became one.. He doesn’t really like football and I just started rooting for the boys at an early age.
The question about why players cant go directly from high school or college to the majors like other sports is basically because of higher degree of skill. Blocking, kicking and throwing a football are all fairly easy with practice and yes of course some skill is involved. Same with throwing a ball in a hoop, although basketball does have the D league.
There are many examples of players on both sides of the field that were stellar, or at least can’t miss prospects that completely failed in the majors. Brandon Wood, Dallas McPherson for the Angels are two examples. Detmers is supposed to be a can’t miss pitcher, but he struggled this past season, but seeing as he didn’t get much experience in the minors this didn’t come as a surprise to me.
The reason seems to be not only acquiring the ability to compete against major league pitching/hitting, but also to learn to play the right way. To me the mental aspect needed in baseball is much greater than in those other sports. I could be wrong, but it seems young guys are much more likely to throw to the wrong base, or make the first, or last out, at 3rd or home,
It seems that’s the case even more so for pitchers, Other than the minority of guys that are gifted with great stuff, pitching is a learned skill. Logan Webb is a good example. A typical AB would be he’d get ahead like 0-2, and then throw 3 easy takes. So at 3-2 he either got hit hard with a pitch over the plate, or he issued a free pass.
Now in his third year he’s learned, how important that 0-2 pitch is, and the results were there. He had a 79 ERA+ with -0.4 WAR in his first 2 seasons, and a 135 ERA+ with a 3.7 WAR in his third. It seems he now knows he can’t get guys out by getting them to chase a ball 12″ or more off the plate like he did in high school or the minors.
Why? Players have different criteria for where they sign. Not every player is signing a deal because it’s the biggest. For some players, like Charlie Morton, geography is a huge factor.
If you were in the Alex Hinshaw chat, or read the transcript, he said when he was a FA, he told his agent to collect all the offers for comparison, unless one of them was from the Padres.. He’s from SD, and he said it didn’t matter if it was for a bucket of used bubblegum, he was taking that offer.
I mean a lot of players stay on the east coast bc they not down with the west side. Meanwhile a lot of smart player take the sun tax to get their families out of the cold.
But in those cases, it’s not speculation and that’s the point. Scherzer made it clear where he would waive his NTC to go, Morton stated he wanted to stay in the same general area.
There’s nothing wrong with speculating that a player might want to play in his hometown (there’s been plenty of Southern California guys like Utley and Garciaparra that probably did want to be Dodgers if it worked out), but there’s a lot of fan assumptions around here about so-and-so growing up a fan of Team X, so they’ll obviously sign there. Barring an earlier or more prominent example, it should be called Bryce Harper Logic.
@tad2b13 You know fully well that those players are the exception not the rule. And those players publicly said they wanted to sign with team y or with a team in z part of the country. Clayton Kershaw, for instance, did not.
@tad2b13 I remember Alex Hinshaw when he was with the Padres and no one was paying him much if any more than what the Padres were paying him. He sucked.
Some dumb questions, is there life on Mars? Just a waste for a baseball chat. Life is on Mars hello how do we get Martians. My friend Lou knows that much
Hey angels1961…am a 1968 baby….sometimes off colour questions are good. I am a big charlie brown/pop culture/phillies phan fan. Quite often I ask those type questions……My chat name is very unique and they on occasion get answered. This IS after all for fun…The MLBTR guys are people too….and they do have a sense of humor…!
Not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape over the life on Mars type questions. I seriously doubt it has any impact, like a baseball question not getting answered because it was. Obviously, a question like that catches the eye, which takes a minimum amount of time to answer. It’s completely unlike a baseball question, which takes some time and thought for a viable reply. The annoyance seems to me more jealousy based, since it’s hard to get a question selected, and one about Pizza or Mars does.
I think you’re right. They answer questions like that because they take no time at all to answer. It’s not like they prevent a serious question from being answered. I don’t get why people are so bent out if shape about. It’s no different from the garbage “ketchup or mustard on a hot dog?” questions that happen almost every chat. At least the Mars question was a little more entertaining. Someone in the first Christian Colon chat said “I just farted” and it got answered. I saw one chat where a person asked “Do you like stuff?” And it got answered. The main point about these questions is the answers only take a few words and a few seconds so who cares? I’ll take a million more mars questions before I want to look at another ketchup, mustard, hot dog “do you like ham and pineapple on pizza?” Question. Not a week goes by someone doesn’t ask one of those and they don’t bother anyone. Why would Mars bother people?
I don’t disagree that life on Mars probably existed. Liquid water almost certainly existed and frozen water still exists on Mars. I have no idea who Richard Hoagland is but I am curious… How can interviews with anyone “prove” anything really? Other than prove that the person was interviewed. I’m not suggesting it’s not true. I’m just curious as to how an interview can be what proved it is true?
Dude, Richard Hoagland has about as much credibility as the Man in the Moon (whom, I suspect, Hoagland thinks is real). He’s a late-night radio fabulist better known for wild conspiracy theories and baseless pseudoscience claims than for his empirical research and common sense conclusions.
Next you’ll say astronaut Edgar Mitchell has no credibility either.
Science is about keeping an open mind and testing hypotheses.
You just repeat buzzwords with no evidence to back up your opinions.
Hoagland has 1,000’s of hours of research and science to back him up. The math and photos alone create enough proof that the mainstream narrative is completely lacking.
Do more research because your ignorance is showing.
I’d take that bet I think they both debut the same time. They are both ready except for service time manipulation they both would start on opening day.
I also don’t see them coming up at the same time unless there is some miraculous coincidence. The Tigers are contending for a playoff spot this year. They’re not gonna throw those guys in unless they beat the others out, fair and square. I don’t see that happening in Spring, so it’ll probably take a demotion or injury for them to get the call, which means it won’t happen on the same day.
If the same service time system is in place, I have a hard time believing Greene or Tork make the team out of Spring Training. Not saying it’s impossible, but they’d have to have a stellar spring to go up north.
And then there’s Daz…..
Also, I don’t see Greene playing center in Detroit. Not regularly.
The 2008 Phillies question re: Hall of Fame was interesting. I also think Utley eventually gets in. Rollins I think could squeak in. Howard has no shot.
Yeah, that was an interesting question. I’d love to see Rollins get in, if only for sentimental reasons. He played in Alameda, CA where I also lived. That’s not a common sense reason of course, but I’ve always rooted for the guy, even as a Giants killer.
I’d like to ask the same question about 2010-’12-’14 Giants. That’s such an incredible achievement, and yet I think Posey is the only hall-of-famer. It’s too bad Lincecum didn’t have a little more .longevity. Two CYs is a good starting point, but I just don’t see him getting close.
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Can’t wait for my cowboys and my Mets to win the championship…
…….bring back the down-vote….
Are you Jerry Jones and Steve Cohen merged into one? Regardless, enjoy the wait.
MetsFan22, where do you live? I figured you for a Giants or Jets fan given your interest in the Mets.
They’re not winning right now – so…..Cowboys fan 4 life, he is.
If it was about winning, he wouldn’t be a Mets fan.
I don’t live in NY or dallas. My dad was a huge Mets fans. So I became one.. He doesn’t really like football and I just started rooting for the boys at an early age.
You’re back!!! Where have you been
The Cowboy fandom explains EVERYTHING!
totally
The question about why players cant go directly from high school or college to the majors like other sports is basically because of higher degree of skill. Blocking, kicking and throwing a football are all fairly easy with practice and yes of course some skill is involved. Same with throwing a ball in a hoop, although basketball does have the D league.
There are many examples of players on both sides of the field that were stellar, or at least can’t miss prospects that completely failed in the majors. Brandon Wood, Dallas McPherson for the Angels are two examples. Detmers is supposed to be a can’t miss pitcher, but he struggled this past season, but seeing as he didn’t get much experience in the minors this didn’t come as a surprise to me.
Angels whiff! Ouch!
The reason seems to be not only acquiring the ability to compete against major league pitching/hitting, but also to learn to play the right way. To me the mental aspect needed in baseball is much greater than in those other sports. I could be wrong, but it seems young guys are much more likely to throw to the wrong base, or make the first, or last out, at 3rd or home,
It seems that’s the case even more so for pitchers, Other than the minority of guys that are gifted with great stuff, pitching is a learned skill. Logan Webb is a good example. A typical AB would be he’d get ahead like 0-2, and then throw 3 easy takes. So at 3-2 he either got hit hard with a pitch over the plate, or he issued a free pass.
Now in his third year he’s learned, how important that 0-2 pitch is, and the results were there. He had a 79 ERA+ with -0.4 WAR in his first 2 seasons, and a 135 ERA+ with a 3.7 WAR in his third. It seems he now knows he can’t get guys out by getting them to chase a ball 12″ or more off the plate like he did in high school or the minors.
Can people please stop saying “Player x will sign with team y because he’s from there/went to college there?” Thanks.
Amen brother!
Why? Players have different criteria for where they sign. Not every player is signing a deal because it’s the biggest. For some players, like Charlie Morton, geography is a huge factor.
If you were in the Alex Hinshaw chat, or read the transcript, he said when he was a FA, he told his agent to collect all the offers for comparison, unless one of them was from the Padres.. He’s from SD, and he said it didn’t matter if it was for a bucket of used bubblegum, he was taking that offer.
I mean a lot of players stay on the east coast bc they not down with the west side. Meanwhile a lot of smart player take the sun tax to get their families out of the cold.
But in those cases, it’s not speculation and that’s the point. Scherzer made it clear where he would waive his NTC to go, Morton stated he wanted to stay in the same general area.
There’s nothing wrong with speculating that a player might want to play in his hometown (there’s been plenty of Southern California guys like Utley and Garciaparra that probably did want to be Dodgers if it worked out), but there’s a lot of fan assumptions around here about so-and-so growing up a fan of Team X, so they’ll obviously sign there. Barring an earlier or more prominent example, it should be called Bryce Harper Logic.
@tad2b13 You know fully well that those players are the exception not the rule. And those players publicly said they wanted to sign with team y or with a team in z part of the country. Clayton Kershaw, for instance, did not.
@tad2b13 I remember Alex Hinshaw when he was with the Padres and no one was paying him much if any more than what the Padres were paying him. He sucked.
Some dumb questions, is there life on Mars? Just a waste for a baseball chat. Life is on Mars hello how do we get Martians. My friend Lou knows that much
I know right? I also wish people would stop thanking the writers for hosting the chats. That is just lame. #dontbringbackthedownvote
Hey angels1961…am a 1968 baby….sometimes off colour questions are good. I am a big charlie brown/pop culture/phillies phan fan. Quite often I ask those type questions……My chat name is very unique and they on occasion get answered. This IS after all for fun…The MLBTR guys are people too….and they do have a sense of humor…!
I think Angels1961 was joking, even if I don’t get the joke.
Better yet, why is a question regarding Mars selected for the fan chat?
Anthony wanted to reset his brain?
Who would turn down a question from David Bowie’s ghost?
I don’t think there’s a person in here who wouldn’t LOVE to watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries.
Not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape over the life on Mars type questions. I seriously doubt it has any impact, like a baseball question not getting answered because it was. Obviously, a question like that catches the eye, which takes a minimum amount of time to answer. It’s completely unlike a baseball question, which takes some time and thought for a viable reply. The annoyance seems to me more jealousy based, since it’s hard to get a question selected, and one about Pizza or Mars does.
I think you’re right. They answer questions like that because they take no time at all to answer. It’s not like they prevent a serious question from being answered. I don’t get why people are so bent out if shape about. It’s no different from the garbage “ketchup or mustard on a hot dog?” questions that happen almost every chat. At least the Mars question was a little more entertaining. Someone in the first Christian Colon chat said “I just farted” and it got answered. I saw one chat where a person asked “Do you like stuff?” And it got answered. The main point about these questions is the answers only take a few words and a few seconds so who cares? I’ll take a million more mars questions before I want to look at another ketchup, mustard, hot dog “do you like ham and pineapple on pizza?” Question. Not a week goes by someone doesn’t ask one of those and they don’t bother anyone. Why would Mars bother people?
Tad, I think Trevor Bauer is proof that there is life on Mars.
LOL
Interviews with Richard Hoagland prove life on Mars. At least existed at one time.
I don’t disagree that life on Mars probably existed. Liquid water almost certainly existed and frozen water still exists on Mars. I have no idea who Richard Hoagland is but I am curious… How can interviews with anyone “prove” anything really? Other than prove that the person was interviewed. I’m not suggesting it’s not true. I’m just curious as to how an interview can be what proved it is true?
Throw a hook out because you will catch fish
Dude, Richard Hoagland has about as much credibility as the Man in the Moon (whom, I suspect, Hoagland thinks is real). He’s a late-night radio fabulist better known for wild conspiracy theories and baseless pseudoscience claims than for his empirical research and common sense conclusions.
Next you’ll say astronaut Edgar Mitchell has no credibility either.
Science is about keeping an open mind and testing hypotheses.
You just repeat buzzwords with no evidence to back up your opinions.
Hoagland has 1,000’s of hours of research and science to back him up. The math and photos alone create enough proof that the mainstream narrative is completely lacking.
Do more research because your ignorance is showing.
Proof can come in many forms.
Maybe you should read the alien agenda by Jim Marrs or Lt Col Phillip Lee Corso’s book if you need proof of alien life.
Riley Greene debuts before Torkelson. I’m willing to wager on that. The real question is who gets moved from the Tigers OF when Greene does debut.
I’d take that bet I think they both debut the same time. They are both ready except for service time manipulation they both would start on opening day.
I also don’t see them coming up at the same time unless there is some miraculous coincidence. The Tigers are contending for a playoff spot this year. They’re not gonna throw those guys in unless they beat the others out, fair and square. I don’t see that happening in Spring, so it’ll probably take a demotion or injury for them to get the call, which means it won’t happen on the same day.
But, I’ve been wrong before.
No one. Greene and Hill in center, Grossman in RF, Baddoo in LF spelled by Haase and Reyes. If they go with 5 OFs, Hill or Greene start in the minors.
If the same service time system is in place, I have a hard time believing Greene or Tork make the team out of Spring Training. Not saying it’s impossible, but they’d have to have a stellar spring to go up north.
And then there’s Daz…..
Also, I don’t see Greene playing center in Detroit. Not regularly.
The 2008 Phillies question re: Hall of Fame was interesting. I also think Utley eventually gets in. Rollins I think could squeak in. Howard has no shot.
Yeah, that was an interesting question. I’d love to see Rollins get in, if only for sentimental reasons. He played in Alameda, CA where I also lived. That’s not a common sense reason of course, but I’ve always rooted for the guy, even as a Giants killer.
I’d like to ask the same question about 2010-’12-’14 Giants. That’s such an incredible achievement, and yet I think Posey is the only hall-of-famer. It’s too bad Lincecum didn’t have a little more .longevity. Two CYs is a good starting point, but I just don’t see him getting close.
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