A deadline season that already has one of the highest-profile trade candidates ever in Juan Soto could add another to the list. Jon Heyman and Joel Sherman of the New York Post report that while a deal is ultimately unlikely, the Angels have not turned away interested teams as they’ve made inquiries and submitted trade proposals for two-way star and reigning AL MVP Shohei Ohtani. The Post duo spoke with three executives whose teams have reached out to the Angels, all of whom characterized the chances of a trade as extremely low due to an unsurprisingly enormous asking price.
The mere notion of an Ohtani trade will ignite a frenzy of speculation and wishful thinking — and with good reason. The 28-year-old is in the midst of yet another incredible season, having pitched to a 2.81 ERA with a 36.4% strikeout rate and 5.8% walk rate through 99 1/3 innings. He’s also hitting .254/.349/.486 with 21 home runs and 11 stolen bases. Dating back to last season, Ohtani has hit .256/.363/.550 with 67 home runs in 1052 plate appearances while also pitching 229 2/3 innings of 3.02 ERA ball with a 32.3% strikeout rate. It’s a legitimately historic performance, the likes of which current fans have not seen in their lifetimes.
That the Angels will at least listen is certainly of note and is only understandable in light of yet another disastrous season. Despite Ohtani and three-time MVP Mike Trout anchoring the roster, the Halos are sitting on a 42-57 record and find themselves already all but eliminated from postseason contention. Incredibly, that’s a common refrain in Anaheim, where the Angels haven’t reached the playoffs since way back in 2014 — three seasons prior to Ohtani’s MLB debut. Repeated injuries up and down the pitching staff have regularly coupled with immediate declines from high-priced stars like Josh Hamilton, Albert Pujols and Anthony Rendon to leave the Angels with a top-heavy roster that has rarely even sniffed playoff contention.
Ohtani, meanwhile, has arguably been the game’s greatest bargain since arriving on the scene. Rather than wait until he was old enough to qualify as a professional player on the international market (25 years old), he instead opted to make the jump to Major League Baseball at just 23 years old. In doing so, Ohtani knowingly subjected himself to the international bonus pool restrictions that govern MLB teams’ signing of amateur players, leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table in order to accelerate his path to the world’s top league.
Shocking as that was at the time, Ohtani could yet find himself positioned for a historic contract before long. He’s currently playing on just a $5MM salary in his second year of arbitration eligibility, but he’ll receive a presumably massive raise this winter and is eligible to become a free agent following the 2023 season. Any team submitting offers for Ohtani will do so knowing they can only control him for one and a half seasons, and that the right to do so will cost them an enormous segment of the farm system. One executive who spoke to Heyman and Sherman indicated that the Angels “want something like your top four prospects” in exchange for Ohtani’s final season-plus of club control.
With that remaining control dwindling, however, the Angels have a dilemma. On the one hand, it’s easy to say they should be willing to do whatever is necessary to ink Ohtani to the historic contract extension he’d surely command. At the same time, the Angels already have both Trout and Rendon on the books at more than $35MM annually for the foreseeable future — Rendon through 2026, Trout through 2030. Ohtani would undoubtedly add another annual salary of more than $35MM to the ledger (perhaps well north of that sum).
That’d be a justifiable expenditure, but it takes two to strike a deal. Ohtani has spoken multiple times in the past about his desire to play for a contending club and reach the MLB postseason, and the Angels have instead stumbled through a difficult-to-fathom stretch of futility during his time with the organization. Asked just last night about his desire to remain with the Angels long-term, Ohtani told The Athletic’s Sam Blum:
“Regardless of where I’m playing, I want to give it my all, try to win the ball game that’s right in front of me. I’m with the Angels right now, and I’m very thankful for what they’ve done. I really love the team. I love my teammates. Right now I’m an Angel, and that’s all I can really focus on at this point.”
While that’s far from a direct declaration that he hopes to be traded, it’s of course notable that, when presented with the opportunity, Ohtani did not express a hope to remain with the Angels for the long haul. Perhaps a record-setting offer would still lead to an agreement, but that can’t be known. It’s generally fair to assume that when discussing MLB contracts, money wins out at the end of the day. As previously noted, however, Ohtani has already once forgone what might have been a $200MM+ contract as an international free agent to instead sign for a $2.315MM signing bonus — which wasn’t even the top available bonus to him at the time of his original agreement with the Angels in 2017.
Even if a deal is highly unlikely to come together in such a short amount of time, it’s nevertheless a fascinating wrinkle added to what’s already shaping up to be one of the most interesting deadlines in MLB history. There’s been almost no movement of note to this point, which generally sets the stage for unbridled chaos in the final 48 to 72 hours leading up to Tuesday’s 6pm ET deadline.
Have the Angels finally learned their lesson? You can’t just load up on high priced position players, and expect to win anything. You need pitching, too. It does sell tickets and generate tv revenues.
Tell us Angels which prospects do you want for Ohtani. Then, the Cards could put a counter offer on the table.
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
Cardinals: What prospects do you want for Ohtani?
Drop down and give me pushups! How many, Sergeant? ALL OF THEM!!!
The Angels have a lower team ERA than the White Sox. It’s amazing how many people come on here, to talk crap about the Angels, yet don’t have a clue. Only 5 teams in the AL have given up less runs than the Angels. The Angels are 11th in the majors this season in runs scored against them. But are 25th this season in runs scored. But but but the Angels don’t need hitters. Maybe next time, actually look at the numbers, before showing everyone you know nothing about baseball
What! Did you just start following the Angels. As a life long 65 year old Angels fan-they are not very good as usual.
100%. Yes Ohtani is a big draw for fans, but nothing draws fans more than winning.
Ohtani is a pitcher too.
Someone’s not paying attention.
You are finally admitting you don’t pay attention?
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
If Trout’s injury is serious (“a costovertebral dysfunction” in his back), then maybe LAA should take a serious look at revamping. Trout seems confident, but depending on 3 players in particular, 2 who are constantly injured (Rendon), maybe it’s time to get off the Titanic. What they may get for Ohtani alone could steer LAA’s future.
@Pads Fans Hey dude! Have the A’s traded Sean Manaea for Adam Frazier yet!? And did you ever come up with that credible source that Luis Campusano’s marijuana charges were reduced to a misdemeanor in January of 2021!?
Yankees fans and their trade offers…
@ChiSoxCity- Yankee fans don’t want Ohtani… Newsflash. He can’t even pitch out of the lst inning in NY. Pass.
You Can Put It In The Books
Andujar is too much of an ask anyway. Yankees would hang up the phone and call Heyman to peddle more of his Yankee nonsense.
“Yankees fans and their trade offers…”
What Yankee fan made a trade offer in this thread?
Clint Frazier and Luke Voit for your young controllable ace! There now a Yankee fan made a trade offer!
Yes, Yankee fans do want Ohtani, and they’d be fools not to. He owns the second-lowest FIP and second-highest pitcher fWAR, and his combined pitching and hitting WAR makes him one of the most valuable players in baseball.
Neither of those players plays for the Yankees this year. Clearly, you’re not a Yankee fan, so why pretend to be?
I know it won’t happen but maybe the Angels should finally trade Trout and replenish their farm system. Trade their 2 best chips and start from scratch. They can’t be much worse than they are now.
Might be a bit late to trade Trout…
Only GM I could think of who might be stupid enough to take on the rest of Trout’s contract (even if he was traded for the lowest rated prospect in baseball) is Cashman. Trout should have been traded before the 2020 season at the latest.
Trout is not a ‘best chip’- he’s an albatross contract who probably couldn’t be traded for the lowest rated prospect in baseball at this point.
That’s not true. Granted, his contract and health have diminished his value, but you exaggerate. Fangraphs recently ran a series articles naming the top 50 player’s trade value. Trout came in at 47th, right behind Ty France, and just ahead of Riley Greene.
The math doesn’t work out. They are projecting him for 18.4 WAR/5 years for $185.5M. That’s $10M/WAR. His WAR at age is 2.2. Even if he doesn’t decline from there, then you add 3 * 2.2, and add his additional WAR and his additional salary, and it works out $11.9M/WAR for the next 8 years.
Thought of from a comparative perspective, maybe Judge costs you $245M/7 thru age 31-37. Trout will cost you $297/8. I can’t see it being worth getting anything in return.
Fangraphs is often wrong. Fangraphs writers were also writing about how Trout was still in his prime as late as last season, which is ridiculous- his prime ended with the 2019 season at the latest- arguably the 2018 season but definitely no later than 2019. They are also projecting him to post 5 WAR next season- which won’t happen- he’s a 2-4 WAR level player now. From the piece you mentioned:
“He’s still Mike Trout; he’s still… near the peak of his powers…”
Not even close- he’s a shell of the player he used to be. Hasn’t posted more than 4 WAR since 2019 (and only played at around a 5 WAR pace in 2020). Fangraphs is often wrong.
A 31 year old with a wreck of a body, who now has a major permanent injury to deal with, who hasn’t posted more than 4 WAR since 2019 and who has only had 1 barely full season since 2016 (2018). Only a stupid GM would take on that contract for his age 31-38 seasons- which is of course also the natural major decline phase of a career anyway (although, again, Trout’s decline began years ago). Even if Anaheim only asked for the lowest rated prospect in baseball in return, only an idiot would take on that contract.
1 more thing from the article you mentioned, because it further shows how much fangraphs sugarcoats their writing about Trout:
“he’s starting to have trouble staying on the field. ”
Right, right… “Starting” to have trouble staying on the field… Not counting 2020, Trout has missed significant numbers of games 4 out of 5 seasons since 2016, but according to fangraphs, he’s just “starting” to have trouble staying on the field. It’s not a coincidence that he’s almost at the very end of their top 50 list- it’s a suck-up move since they can’t bring themselves to leave him off the list completely. So they just put him almost at the very end. By the way, he’s also completely untested with his latest (permanent) injury, so not only is there the age/decline in performance/extensive history of injuries and missed playing time that the new team would be taking on, but they would also be taking on a player who hasn’t proved anything on the field after his latest major permanent injury. It would be crazy for anyone to take on the remainder of his contract, even if he was traded for practically nothing.
Moreno will never learn. He only cares about signing big names for the draw.
They need to really study Tampa Bay.
Wander, Mchlanahan and Greg Jones for Ohtani. Who says no?
MacKenzie Gore LHP
Steven Wilson RHP
Robert Gasser LHP
Reggie Lawson RHP
Jake Cronenworth 2B
C.J. Abrams SS
Luis Campusano C
Maybe those failed guys for Rengifo. Tatis gets you Ohtani, and Gore.
All those guys for Rengifo and Marsh. TATIS AND GORE GET YOU OHTANI.
I wonder what teams have called on Shohei?
Jung Like My Daddy
Even the Sugarland Skeeters made a call.
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George Jung….great movie
2 Balls 1's out
Mets, Blue Jays, Cardinals and Mariners.
Even the Yomiuri Giants and Seibu Lions have inquired, it is reported.
This article starts off with Soto, but fails to complete the link to Ohtani… which is: teams, if given a choice, would rather have Ohtani, and could possibly be holding onto their prospects to acquire Ohtani, which may be limiting the market for Soto. We will see.
Huh, I’d argue that two years of Soto, who has consistently been the more valuable player of the two, is better than one year of Ohtani.
Hmmm, is Soto a front line starter also?
No, but he can play the field and doesn’t need a six man rotation and a clogged DH spot. Again, he’s also been the more productive of the two and he doesn’t even have to pitch.
Soto’s Career fWAR: 21.2
Ohtani’s fWAR: 18.7
So by all means, take the lesser value with a year less control just because he’s flashy.
That is like saying Danny Darwin, Rick Reuschel, Jon lester, Javier Vazquez, Tom Candiotti etc are ALL BETTER than Jacob DeGrom!
The extra year of control matters, but Ohtani has been more valuable.
8.0 in 2021 v 7.1 for Soto
4.9 v 3.3 in 2022
Buuba ho tep
I think it’s all over hyped nonsense..he’s not going to be traded neither is trout. Angels just need to learn to build around these two stars
i like al conin
Don’t see it happening without a bump in payroll. They’ve used this model for years and it isn’t working.
Can’t build around them. Between them and Rendon, it will be more than 100 million tied up in 3 players. Every year for last decade it has been the same thing, 2-3 players making upwards of 50% of the teams salary. On a payroll around 185, having 3 making more than 100 just doesn’t leave enough to fill in the other holes.
If that’s true and the Angels are able to keep Ohtani long term, they will have no money left to build around him and Trout. It’s a no win situation for the Angels. I believe the best course is to trade him this year and be done with it. Build the team that Trout deserves and was most likely promised 10 years ago by Moreno.
Moreno won’t go over about 180m in player payroll. If they pay Ohtani his expected 45m AAV, they will be at 110m AAV on three players long term leaving about 70m for the rest of the entire team. That’s impossible math to build a winning team with.
I think the math would be ok if 2 of the 3 weren’t the oft injured Mike Trout and Rendon. If you knew you were getting a healthy Trout and Rendon in his prime, then maybe. Problem is, that’s not the reality.
The problem with the math isn’t injuries, the problem is Moreno’s fixed payroll budget. To compete, we would need at least one front end starter, a solid BP arm or two, a SS, a catcher, plus what’s already on the payroll. Basically that’s about 70m to spread among 23 other players. Not possible.
I guess I mean that the math could work if managed correctly. Not a lot of teams are the Rays, but they won the World Series last year with a $70million total payroll. We’re talking about adding a healthy trout, Rendon, and Ohtani to that mix. Obviously a lot of that is coming up through their farm, which the Angels don’t have. So, it’s not that I’m specifically talking about the current configuration of the Angels, more saying it could be done with the right management.
I guess I forgot that the Rays won it all last year, thanks for the reminder?
The Rays win by trading away expensive stars for young future stars …aka, what you’re saying the Angels wouldn’t need to do to be like the Rays
That’s why everyone says they need to trade Ohtani ASAP (since Trout & Rendon are not moveable with their contracts)
So they can be like basically all the other teams & restock the system to help them fill multiple spots, plus have around 40 million cash to spend on even more spot fillers. That rather than continue putting all that capital into just 1 single player
6+ players (say 4 prospects and 2-3 FA signings) are generally more impactful than 1 single guy
The Rays won it all last year. Who knew?
I think you’re misunderstanding me. I don’t think the Angels can do this now. And I also think the Angels should trade Ohtani and start a tear down. My comment was simply related to the math. Yes, this is hypothetical. Yes, it would take years of hitting on draft picks and flipping guys near big paydays for cheaper talent. But, if you were to build a roster, like the rays did for $70 million, that is ripe with cheaper young good players, then expand payroll and pay 3 megastars who weren’t hurt all the time $35 million a year, then you’d have a winner.
Again, I’m not saying that can happen now for the Angels, and I’m not saying it’s the smartest long term move. Just commenting that the math could work if you hit on the right investments on your other $70million, and had good health of a trio of Ohtani, Rendon, and Trout.
But alas, the world will never know.
Plus… by trading him next year instead of this year, they are giving up millions in potential trade value. That is why they are the Angels. Ohtani won’t be moved.
If you continue to hand out the contracts they have, trout deserved it, Rendon not so much, shotime definitely deserves it just based on the value to the team. Those are 2 transcendent players you have to keep imo. That’s the payroll decisions you’ve made and you need to pay some tax and bite that bullet, in order to supplement those generational players with some starters/bullpen. They tried with Noah and that hasn’t panned out, they payed the closer but no one else…
I hope shohei gets traded he deserves better than that crap franchise.
On the contrary – Ohtani chose the Angels knowing all of their recent, illustrious history. I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he actually wants to be traded. There may be other factors that are more important to him than W-L record.
Wrong he chose the angels because they would let him hit and pitch full time not every team was willing to agree to that
Most important for him is that they let him continue TWO WAY PLAY. That includes pitching on 5 days rest, DH every day. That is priority Number ONE.
Next comes MONEY.
Next comes WINNING.
Next comes a variety of things.
Angels get: Montgomery, Andujar, Dominguez, and Hicks
Yankees get: Ohtani
Who says no?
The Angels laugh and hang up
i like al conin
Not close. They’re looking for near-ready or ready star players.
i like al conin
Not close. They only want near and ready star players.
I’m a Yankees fan.
Ohtani as a pitcher alone is worth more than that package.
Add in 40 hr as a hitter and we’re lucky to get him for literally every one of our top 10 prospects.
His value is too high to trade. He is a top 15 hitter and pitcher and consumes only 1 roster spot. An extra roster spot is incredibly valuable.
Impossible he gets traded because he’s the most valuable player we’ve ever seen.
You’re probably right, but if the Yankees did trade 10 prospects, the Angels should take that deal. A player like Ohtani would obviously help the Yankee’s be instant favorites for the next couple of years, and the Angels need to field an actual team of talent at some point. Keeping Ohtani and signing him to an extension, and Trout literally eats into 3/4 of the entire annual budget after 2023. They’d literally have almost no money to sign much needed pitching depth. Walsh took a step back this year, Fletcher is good, but not a building block and Adell and Marsh may turn out to be good. The young core of pitchers are good, but not enough.
Don’t forget, Ohtani hitting in Yankee Stadium. He can hit 60 dingers/season easy in that Little League field you call a “stadium.”
They said that about Gallo… these two have MASSIVE power, their balls go out anywhere
He’s pitched there 2..3 times? Against that lineup? When he’s pitching there with and not facing that lineup I’m sure he will be just fine
More like Gonsolin, Lux, Cartaya and Pepiot and maybe they say yes?
Yup, and it would be all the players you mentioned plus Dustin May.
It probably won’t be half of that. One year of any player in history is not worth that much.
Bro please dont.
More like Monty, Volpe, Dominguez, Pereira and Waldichuk and then hope another team doesnt beat that because they can.
In reality, we dont match up with the Angels ideally.
Buuba ho tep
You Yankee fans should all go to AA. Every free agent or everyone who’s on the trading block you want…you can’t win with all the overpriced players you have….I can see a mass suicide by Yankee fans when they lose in the playoffs
A mass suicide? Lmao, even though you were being literal we may start to see fans defect to other teams.
Being a Yankee fan isnt all arrogance. Its also partaking in the most expensive family of four experience.
With soaring revenue and franchise evaluations coupled with Hals m.o. of investor based decisions, I certainly feel cheated.
Yankees are currently built for the long season. But come playoffs, they get bounced.
Used to be true. The last few years they were very station to station. They have more guys that put bat to ball, and they are stealing bases and taking extra bases way more this year. Plus, not playing in a Wild Card game will be helpful. Those games are crazy and go any which way. Plus, if the Astros weren’t huge cheaters, they may have a couple of WS rings in the past five years.
You should do stand up. You are funny.
The Angels. The Angels say no.
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1.5 years of arguably the best all around baseball player in the game?
Volpe, Wells, Waldichuk, Deivi Garcia, Estival Florial, Jhony Brito
Yea, Volpe, Peraza, Dominguez, Nestor and Loaisaga is probably still not going to get the Angels to say yes. If you want Ohtani, you better make peace first with whats likely to happen.
The angels say no when the Mets call and offer them Peterson, JD Davis, Mauricio, Vientos, Allen, and Khalil Lee
@Yank2- a real Yankee’s fan knows that Ohtani can’t pitch in NY, and knows he doesn’t like it either. Smh
Replace Montgomery and Andujar with Volpe and Peraza, then upgrade from Hicks. and maybe that will catch the Angels attention.
Mr. Yanks2, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it.
I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
The Angels definitely, there’s only 1 top prospect in that deal and no one wants Andujar or Hicks
The Mets can put together a much better package and the only player that I would give up Alvarez for is Ohtani
Alvarez, Megill, McNeill , Lee and a pitching prospect for Ohtani
This gives the Angels a C,2 Sp’s, 2b and an OF.
Than trade Dom Smith, Nido,Szapucki and another prospect to the Cubs for Contreras and Robertson
Ohtani pitches and DH’s for the Mets and the Mets can resign Contreras next year to catch again
Not enough, AT ALL.
That is a laughable offer.
They act as though a trans stop four prospects in an unreasonable asking price. That’s low for Ohtani.
Juan Soto would require four. Shohei offers the bat as well as an arm in Cy Young contention, all in one roster spot.
It is justified to ask for four top prospects from a strong system plus a couple young studs already in the majors.
Shohei Ohtani is that special. If you want Babe Ruth, you better make it worthwhile.
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
Ohtani is untradeable as there is no package that can equate to his value as a top 25 hitter and pitcher while only taking one roster spot and costing a fraction of his value.
You’ve got it some.. there are packages. I’d take Abrams and McKenzie in a heartbeat
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
Abrams and Gore would be the headliners on a good package for a great hitter, but Ohtani is a great pitcher as well. So double the offer, then factor in his cost, then factor in the fact that he only takes up one roster spot so you can also have another productive player on your team others cant get. You wind up literally depleting your top 10 for one guy.
Then factor in that Ohtani only has one season of team control and all your arguments go out the window.
You’re exactly right Superstar Prospect Wander Javier you make great points
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier:
What you say is true, that the Angels can’t get true value in return, but that’s theoretical, and doesn’t reflect real life. The same thing can also be said of Soto.
But the reality is the Angels should take a very good prospect package even if it isn’t true value in return. If they don’t trade Ohtani, his value drops the closer he gets to free-agency.
If he walks as a FA, all the Angels get is the QO return. And it’s questionable the QO won’t exist after next year. Better to get 75 cents on the dollar, than 25 cents or less.
He’s tradable, so long as you’re not looking for comps. Completing a trade is only a matter of the Angels taking the best offer they get for him.
The one factor you’re omitting is the Angels’ ability — or inability — to pay to keep him. They’ve sunk so much money into Trout and Rendon, how much more can they add to the payroll?
He actually doesn’t save a roster spot as the Angels have to employ a six man rotation to accommodate him. So that spot he saves just goes to another starter.
Then you have to factor in how the Angels can’t rotate players through he DH spot to give them rest days as Ohtani occupies it full time.
You can trade him, there is even a package of a similar talent for reference. I believe you can get 125,000 and a 100 years of bad luck for him.
Both Angels fans and fans of the other 29 teams can mostly agree on one sentiment – please trade him, Angels
Angels front office has the biggest blockheads in baseball
Ohtani for Acuna. The Braves better act fast before Acuna keeps regressing.
You can go away now.
Right, that’s just what the Angels want is another injury prone player with a bad attitude.
Just from the amount of media attention (and therefore dollars generated) alone, the angels would need a historic return to even begin talks
TRADE HIM TO THE PADS FOR ABRAMS THEYLL PROLLY GIVE MCKENZIE 2
Not nearly enough.
It’s more than enough my g
Which means he will be traded by this weekend?
Trading Ohtani would add pitching, depth at key positions and possible more offense. They’d more than likely get 4 top prospects plus a young controllable player. Ohtani is a fan favorite, but nothing draws in fans more than actually winning. Did they have any big named stars in 2002, no, but a solid all around team that ran well, played good defense, and had arguable the best bullpen in all of baseball. .
It’s hard to say that any team with both Trout and Ohtani could be in bad shape, but man. It’s hard to fathom how the Angels hope to repair their organization. Having Trout, whom while still obviously great, battling through injuries and heading past the prime of his career, and the Rendon contract debacle on the books while the rest of the team looks mediocre at best, save Ohtani. Couple that with the worst farm system in baseball, this teams needs a lengthy, Baltimore-style organizational rebuild. Perhaps it’s best to start entertaining offers now on anyone who can bring back future value and hope that their window re-opens after Rendon immediately comes off the books.
The Yankees can give up Hicks Andujar
Gallo , German and Volpe. They have so much to offer the Angels. Plus they can absorb Thor’s contract too
Still not close; unsure if this is a joke or not.
You forgot to add Clint Frazier and Devi Garcia…
Do baseball fans really still not know that Frazier hasn’t been with the Yankees since last year?
A joke for a joke
His bruised thigh wasn’t letting him throw hard? Lol wtf are you talking about
Lol so German and Volpe? NYY fans are so delusional. You want the Angels to take your trash and one prospect…for a guy who is a great pitcher and DH? Stop. Please, stop.
Why would they want Hicks, Andujar or Gallo? Those are 3 players the Yanks would give away for free to save payroll?
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Hicks and Andujar have no value. Gallo has negative value. German is average on a good day. Volpe is the only piece of actual value coming back to them. I’m guessing you were joking but if not then yikes.
FG3, Gallo? Are you kidding me?
Must be a joke. Plus Thor is worth more than just a salary dump…
“It’s a legitimately historic performance, the likes of which current fans have not seen in their lifetimes.”
Understatement of the century, Steve! When have fans ever seen a player the likes of Ohtani? The comps for him simply don’t exist, not now, and not in the game’s history.
None of those fans are alive anymore lol.
This is probably in the ballpark.
Please. Yes, Ohtani is a great player and pitcher, a combination we have not seen in many decades. He is often compared to Ruth, but in actuality there is no comparison. The Bambino literally outhomered entire teams and set season and lifetime batting records that remain historic to this day; in addition he was a Hall of Fame quality pitcher. If Ohtani focused entirely on either hitting or pitching he would come nowhere near Ruth’s abilities in each. Ohtani’s greatness is that he excels at both simultaneously, but there is still only one George Herman Ruth.
You are forgetting the difference of pitching quality. A hall of fame starting pitcher would barely make a AAA team. Maybe a 5th starter at a bad team.
And you’re forgetting that starters routinely pitched complete games in Ruth’s day against batters like Rogers Hornsby and Ty Cobb. In 1916, there were nine starters who threw at least 300 innings, and of the 70 qualified starters, 44 threw at least 200 innings.
That is partially what i said. Pitchers were worse the and the hitters were also terrible compared to finely trained physical hitters of today.
That’s what you said. That’s not what I said. To describe Ty Cobb as a terrible hitter is utterly absurd.
If you have some accurate metrics by which to prove your claim that the players then were so much worse, please post them here.
Ty Cobb would be suspended every day of the season.
Well, looks like you have no metrics for me, so I’ll offer some to you.
In the documentary “Fastball,” which I think could change your thinking on this subject, physicists corrected the measurements of previously recorded fastballs from back in the day thrown by pitchers who were then considered the hardest throwers.
In 1946, Bob Feller threw his fastball through a Lumiline Chronograph, a contraption devised by the Army to measure ballistics. It was clocked at 98.6 MPH.
But the device measured the velocity of the ball a short distance from home plate. Radar guns nowadays measure the velocity of the ball as it leaves the pitcher’s hand. As the ball travels, it has to push air out of its way, creating drag. A physicist in “Fastball” calculated what the speed of Feller’s pitch would’ve been as it left his hand: 107.6 MPH.
Actually, from 1916 to 1919 with the Red Sox, Babe Ruth led the majors with an OPS of .988, a wRC+ of 184 and 45 home runs, while pitching to a 5th-ranked ERA of 2.09 and a 69-37 record over 113 starts.
Ruth is the obvious comparison, but once he started playing a position, he never went back to pitching. Maybe Ohtani will some day be forced to choose between the two, but we’ve seen no indications of it so far, and if he’s traded, it will be as a true two-way player. Those will be the expectations of his new team. Ohtani is in uncharted waters. He isn’t just something we haven’t seen for a long time, he’s a unique phenomenon in baseball history. We’re watching it being made.
In 1919, Ruth had 543 plate appearances and started 17 games as a pitcher. He had a 217 OPS+ with 29 home runs and 113 RBI, and his ERA was 2.97 with a 9-5 record.
And for the 15 seasons after that, he basically never pitched again. This was my point. I also wouldn’t try to compare ERAs from the dead ball era to today, it really can’t be done. Pitchers had so many advantages then that they don’t have today.
I’d ask for 3 top prospects AND accept Rendon.
That is good thinking from a business/ownership perspective. Getting out of the last 4+yrs Rendon deal would be a clean slate.
Mariners Get: Shohei, Syndergaard, and Barria
Angels, Get: Kirby, Marte, Trammell, Harry Ford, Stoudt, and DeLoach
Like it or not, the Angels absolutely should trade him. Trout now has back issues he has to deal with for the rest of the year and Rendon is hurt, and you’re looking at a team that is currently 15 games under .500 and 22.5 out of the division. You aren’t winning next year either. This return gives you a top SS/3B of the future in Marte, your long term catcher in Ford, a top of the rotation guy in Kirby that is controlled, as well as major league outfielder in Trammell and both another pitching and outfield prospect in Stoudt and DeLoach. And, Thor is a free agent after this year anyways… he was never going to command a big return.
Ohtani isn’t going to re-sign, which means he is going to walk after next year…. so you would get absolutely nothing if you aren’t trading him. If you are trading him, why not maximize the return and trade him when teams will pay the most since said team would have 1.5 years of him if traded now.
From the Mariners side… Marte isn’t helping during this window unless he shifts to 2B. Kirby is great, but Ohtani is proven and gives you Castillo stats pitching while giving you Matt Olson stats hitting… both would be huge upgrades. This deal allows them to hang onto Hancock to replace Kirby down the line while also keeping Kelenic and Lewis (Trammell has more control than Lewis, which is why he is in this deal instead of him). Seattle was also one of Ohtani’s favorite spots when coming over, so you have the potential to sign him long-term as well. Thor gives you another option in the rotation, allowing you to go into a post-season with a top 4 of Gilbert, Ray, Ohtani, and Thor with Marco and Flexen as options to spot start based on matchups. Barria adds an arm to the bullpen.
I’m sure the Angels would denand Julio Rodriguez in any Ohtani deal. Seattle would say no of course and that would be that. I seriously doubt the Angels would trade him to another AL West team.
not to the mariners!
Maybe in 100 years you will see him in those boaters’ uniform.
MD baseball, Angels will NEVER trade Ohtani to the M’s. Too much bad blood. And not to a division rival you play 17 times per season to remind fans what they are missing. No way ever gonna happen.
@Redstitch108 The division rival stuff I disagree with in this case. Yes, he would play against the Angels for the next 1.5 years, but it’s not like they’re in a race for the division where it’s going to directly effect them. The Angels would be rebuilding. I would actually argue that from that perspective, it would hurt the Mariners more long term… they’d have to face Kirby, Marte, etc for the next 7 years where as the Angels would have to face Ohtani for 1 (this half year doesn’t matter for the Angels). If you’re talking about Ohtani extending with the Mariners and how you would hate that… well, he could easily just sign there after 2024 as a free agent too. Then, you’d have to watch him while play against you while also having gotten nothing for him in return.
As for bad blood… they’ve made trades with each other in the past. The brawl… I blame the umps for that one actually. As soon as Julio was thrown at, it should have been over and the pitcher should have been ejected. In that case, we “threw” at Trout, and you threw at Julio and neither was actually hit. Even, so leave it at that and it all ends there. Instead, he wasn’t ejected, and now this opener that only opened under the expectation that he was going to be ejected was left in. So, he then he threw at Winker and hit him…. which caused the brawl because it was suddenly two of our guys for just throwing up and in on Trout without even hitting him. Winker was even just like what the heck and walking to first until Rendon started yelling at him.
Pretty sure all bad blood would be cured by getting Ohtani for our first ever run at a World Series while allowing you to stock a weak farm system to compete for the next 7 years instead… just saying.
Surely the Angels will get much better offers than that for Ohtani. He’d fetch a kings ransom right now.
If I was the Angels the only way I’d trade Ohtani right now is if the other team agrees to take Rendon!
That lessens their return for their best player, and that’s not something they want to do
So what? That’s 140 mil in real money over 4yrs. That can reset a clean slate other than paying Trout. They’ll also be drafting high off minimum poor ’22 and ’23 in that scenario as well. Not like they wouldn’t still get couple prospects in addition.
Ohtani alone is practically untradeable as mentioned here with such an incredibly team friendly contract. This likely only happens if a team takes on all of Rendon’s contract too, and Halos would still get a huge prospect haul. It is a logical move for them to make to right the ship for the future, but probably too complex to execute before the deadline.
Reason why Angels would want to trade Ohtani is to improve their chances for the playoffs in the future. They do not look like they will be good until Ohtani is gone. Why not trade Ohtani for 5 or 6 top future prospects that can secure your future?
Rendon is owed over $150M over the next 4 years for a nearly replacement level player. That eats a large chunk of value from the return package. Might as well go the Pujols route and just release him. Arte’s got the green to cover it.
If the Angels can include Rendon in any trade DO IT!
Ohtani will hate St. Louis because their fish has to be flown in from either coast and by the time it gets to his plate, he’s looking at something caught a week to ten days ago. Plus their Asian population tends to lean more to the communist side which could be a problem. It’s basically the same reason Stanton declined the cardinals with the exception of the fish
Ill agree with you about fresh seafood, but your communist comment is way off base. And as far as Stanton, good riddence, wouldnt want him on the cardinals IL anyways. The guy is made of glass.
Uhhh Japan, where Ohtani is from, is largely a democracy. Asian-Americans also share pro-democracy views. I hope you can also understand that U.S. sushi fish is mostly flash frozen immediately after caught, thawed, prepped, and served. Your comments are very misguided.
@jimmyforum – What kind of dumb prejudice nonsense are you talking about? We’re taking about the prospect of a major trade and you’re referring to stereotypes of what a Japanese player will and will not eat because he may be traded to St. Louis.. Go back to making your moonshine and try not to fry anymore brain cells.
That’s a very slow airplane, if the fish is a week to 10 days old when served.
If Baltimore calls offering some combo of Hall, Henderson, Westburg, Cowser, Stowers. Mayo, plus any other throw ins, I don’t see how Anaheim could say no. I’m sure they would want Grayson but I think Baltimore’s farm has plenty to offer without including Grayson Rodriguez.
MC Tim C
The Angels need pitching prospects not just hitting prospects.
Dodgers send Lux, May, Pepiot, Vargas, Busch and cash for Ohtani
Great players, great package… but still feels light?? Add Cartaya and Bobby Miller?? It’s going to take a massive overpay for the Angels to take the MASSIVE PR hit to ship Ohtani up the 405, imo o/c.
Hoskins, Stott, Painter and Abel should get it done
He’s like a one man Scherzer-Turner trade.
No, he’s not nearly as good a hitter as Turner, but he’s much younger than Scherzer.
Then you have to factor in that he essentially saves a team a roster spot.
Look to that trade and then add to it: very expensive.
Ohtani for Soto
Doubt DeWitt is willing to commit to it but the Cardinals have the prospects and controllable players, and at the position the Angels need, to pull this off. Take Syndergaard and most of his contract, too, and it becomes quite doable.
A package of Tyler O’Neil, Matthew Liberatore, Nolan Gorman, Knizner, Luken Baker/Juan Yepez, Corey Dickerson and Edmundo Sosa for Otani/Syndergaard & $10M cash. Possibly substitute a top prospect SP. Then extend Otani with a base of $35/yr plus millions more based on pitching starts made.
Gives STL two SP and a big bat to plug between Goldy and Arenado. Call up Burleson who is killing it at AAA and that puts four LH bats in the lineup while beefing up the staff and saving the overworked BP.
Angels get a power bat & GG leftfielder, highly rated LH prospect SP, 6 yrs of control of Gorman, a controllable starting C, a potential starting SS and a power bat at 1b (Yepez). Yields a great deal of depth, plus frees up some of of Thor’s contract so they can shop for more help this offseason.
I think the Angels would have to consider it. Pretty strong offer.
That’s FOUR position players that would likely be immediate starters (and upgrades in most cases) plus one of the top SP prospects in baseball. Gives the Angels a much better foundation to build back on quickly.
Corey Dickerson has negative value. No way the angels would want him. Most likely will be dfa’d when a roster crunch comes. Take out Dickerson and substitute Winn or mcgreevy and the angels would have to think about it. They would also probably want carlson over oneil
Yep. Those changes are doable.
Ohtani, Trout and Thor for Walker, Carlson, Wynn, Dejong, Kinzer and Lib. Who says no?
Clickbait cooked up by Murdoch-owned tabloid. The Angels know they would commit baseball hara-kiri if they ever traded their top drawing card.
You don’t know the Angels fans. The most of them anyway. We won’t see many Japanese tourists but winning trumps a few of them.
Can the Angels trade Ohtani the pitcher but keep Ohtani the hitter?
whoever signs ohtani give him an extension he is not going anywhere until after the season then u can include the people you just drafted for
One more time, this time in English?
Walker, Yepez, Libertore, Wynn, McGreevy
Man…all these trade offers and none seem reasonable. I think they should trade him but in reality who has the right mind to trade ALL of their top prospects for one guy? And no one knows what a fair deal is. PERRY – You want Shohei? Give us your entire top 10 prospects. That’s the starting point. No one will do that
That’s not the starting point. In a year and a half, he’s walking. So be reasonable and make a solid deal.
To the Mets for Peterson, Davis, Allen or Butto, Mauricio, and Khalil Lee
Walker, Yepez, Libertore, Wynn, + maybe another mid tier prospect for SO
Ohtani and Soto will finally wear a winning style of red when they arrive in St. Louis. Ohtani realizes now he should have gone there in the first place and followed the advice of his mentor So Taguchi. Arenado, Goldschmidt, Ohtani, and Soto will be a real chore for any team to tangle with in the playoffs.
You mean Soto who won the World Series title in the Washington style of red a lot more recently than the Chickenhawks.
Any fan that thinks their team can/will land both Soto and Ohtani, immediately loses all credibility.
How can I lose something I never had?
Walker, Yepez, Libertore, Wynn, Burleson + mid tier prospect for SO
Solves two problems for Cards.
Completely revamps Angels farm.
Hahaha right! Why bother trading a player who will only be on the team for 1 more season and with the reality of practically Zero chance he re-signs and with the desperate need to rebuild as soon as possible in order to have any hope of being in contention by 2026 (at the earliest)? Why bother?? Just let him leave after next season for nothing (not even a compensation pick). Arguably the most dysfunctional team in sports, especially when payroll and ‘off the field issues’ are factored.
First the Angels front office is a mess, Second, trading Ohtani will not solve their problems in Anaheim. The Angels are like the Disney corporation circling around in the big flush. If if he does go, it will be either Los Angeles and San Diego.
Luis Garcia, Cristian Javier, Hunter Brown, Pedro Leon, plus a lottery ticket would do it. Astros would be giving up 26.5 years of service time for Ohtani including at least 14 years dedicated to pitchers.
MC Tim C
Switch Jeremy Pena for Pedro Leon and you might be close.
Some people argue that Ohtani and Trout do not deserve the blame for the Angels being bad because they it is a team sport and those two cannot do it alone.
Some of those same people argue that if the Angels trade Ohtani they should get back at least 5-6 good prospects or players because he is worth basically an entire team.
Seriously at what point do Ohtani and Trout deserve the blame for the Angels being bad? When the Angels were great at the beginning of this year, Trout and Ohtani got the credit. But when they are bad…oh it’s a team sport, they are still the best. It’s gets old to read to be honest.
As an Angels fan, I have often asked myself the same. Obviously, they are two of the best players in the game and would improve any roster in a heartbeat. But Trout’s injuries in recent years don’t help the team—they hurt it. So, his inability to remain healthy has been hurting the Angels and same with Rendon. Ohtani struggled in 2020. Last year, he faded post all-star game—ran out of steam.
I’m not opposed to trading Ohtani, as much as I’d love to see him remain with LAA, I think the Angels would benefit greatly from receiving 4-5 top prospects or quality young MLB-ready players. They desperately need a C, a SS, another OF, and a SP. If one of those players is already producing at MLB level, then that would be value added.
Also, by trading Ohtani and freeing up the DH, Trout could be preserved longer with regular games as the team’s DH.
Ohtani and the entire Angels farm system for another team’s entire farm system. Do it.
Went to last nights game and watched Ohtani strike out 8 Rangers relying on 85% sliders at 85 mph. His bruised thigh was obviously not allowing him to throw much heat and his pitches were a bit flat allowing a lot of hits up the middle. That being said, he only allowed two runs- one a weak homer Trout would have maybe nabbed at the fence-and a bobble by Marsh in the corner.
The rest of the team made the Ranger pitcher Howard look like Greg Maddox.
A bunch of heartless stiffs.
Ohtani is not just talented- Dude has massive heart and pride and that cannot be taught.
Not to mention he is very polite which is going south in the MLB these days.
Moreno needs to sell the Angels.
He is a complete idiot and has his fingerprints on every over priced contract.
Trade Ohtani for his sake and for every baseball fan.
I hate Seattle- however that is where he should go.
I was there too Qi and I agree with everything you said (except trade to Seattle). I would love to see Ohtani go to the Giants or the Padres. Both fan bases would appreciate him and both have a great Asian fan base.
IMO, Arte was behind the Madden firing and we know Boras convinced him to sign Rendon when they whiffed on his other client Cole. Add Pujols, Hamilton, etc. and the misfires are aplenty.
I’ve met Arte a few times and at his heart is truly a baseball fan, but he has no clue how to run a baseball operation. He runs it like a theatrical show – the headliners put butts in the seats, but he skimps on the rest of the cast and the resultant performance is just not that good.
It’s time to sell the team Arte.
Heard a radio show this morning where the former GM was asked what might be a fair trade for Ohtani and he said:.
What he is doing is unprecedented, I mean he is at the top of the charts as a hitter and a pitcher, so I would never trade Ohtani if I had a choice. If the owner came in and said we have to trade him now? Well.
Start with 2 major league players to take his place as a pitcher and hitter in the Angels lineup today. They don’t have to be Ohtani quality players, just solid major league players that will be Angels for a few years. For the stat guys, lets say a couple of guys that are 2-3 WAR players right now.
Then add a couple of elite prospects. I would say the top guy in any system would have to be coming our way and another top 100 type prospect. Maybe a rookie player.
Then I would want a couple more prospects to fill holes in my system. A couple relief pitchers would work too.
I didn’t put quotations around it because I am paraphrasing a bit because it was on the radio, not in an article, and I left out all the hmms and uhhhs.
This sounds like something that is very realistic.
The fact is that Anaheim is probably overvaluing Ohtani with the trade talks. As good as he has been 2021 and 2022 (his only standout seasons in 5 years in MLB, by the way)- 1 more season plus change of team control- that’s it. Anyone over the age of 26 on Anaheim who has any trade value should be traded. 26 because Anaheim is 4 years away from contention at the absolute earliest, so anyone over 26 can’t be counted on to be contributors so no point in keeping them. Ohtani has made it very clear that he’s not into the losing- there is almost literally Zero chance he re-signs with Anaheim. Would be 1 of the most surprising things I have ever seen in sports if he re-signed (he won’t).
If it were 2 years plus change it would be a different story. 1 year plus change is a rental and if they wait until the off-season- or even worse- during the season next year- then the value will be significantly lower than what it is now as a 1 year plus change rental.
LAA isn’t as bad as people make them out to be. It’s been a combination of lack of health, lack of depth, and bad luck. Everyone saw what LA was capable of doing earlier in the season when they were healthy. It’s tough to win without Trout, Rendon, and Fletcher plus injuries to a few pitchers. They really could turn into overnight contenders with some smart offseason moves – they have a good core (Trout, Ohtani, Rendon, Ward, Walsh, Sandoval, Detmers).
Rendon sucks- he has an OPS of just over .700 for the past 2 seasons and he’s 32. He can’t be counted on for anything going forward. He’s done. Almost literally zero chance Ohtani re-signs with Anaheim, so he’s a non-factor as well (especially if Anaheim is stupid enough to decide not to trade him and let him walk away for nothing, which seems like a strong possibility). Trout is a huge question mark and a shell of the player he used to be and about to turn 31 in a week.
I may have agreed with you Orange about 6 months ago. There was so much optimism coming into this season and signing guys like Thor and high quality bullpen pieces (finally!) really made me excited for the season. I knew they had Maddon, life long Angel, as their skipper and Trout and Rendon looked to be healthy.
Then the media kept ranking them low in preseason rankings because of their lack of depth and questionable infield. I was pissed because I really thought this year was different.
The hot start to the season initially proved that indeed this season was different. April was unreal. Detmers throws a no hitter and Rendon hits a home run left handed in the same game. Incredible month.
Then they went on the road and hit a wall. The pundits’ argument of depth and IF are starting to come to light. The bullpen looks strained, the starters get strained (as a result of the bullpen), and the IF injuries produce an infield putting Duffy, Velasquez, and Rengifo all in key roles. None of those guys should be starting MLB ball players.
Then Maddon got fired. That’s where they lost me. Mr. Angel was brought in to resurrect a franchise that desperately needed veteran guidance and experience. Huge mistake.
They replaced with him Phil Nevin. Phil. Nevin.
I knew immediately 2022 was gone and the players know it too.
Orange, I get your core argument, but years of mismanaging player development and under scouting in the Latin region has left the Angels in a huge hole.
Ohtani can pitch and hit, but he can’t play SS, he can’t play 3B, he can’t come out of the bullpen, he can’t heal Trouts back, and he can’t be responsible for developing the young players.
This team and franchise is not close to what it once was in 2002. It’s seriously broken and the only way to give any hope is for Arte to sell them team or go live under a rock for the next 10 years and let some knowledgeable baseball operations guys come in and run the show.
Thanks for reading my rant.
Dirkg – and a good rant it was.
I don’t really disagree with anything you said, it seems we’re both coming from the same place. In the pre-season, I was optimistically hoping for the Angels to end up slightly above .500 (i.e., 82-84 wins), but I also kept saying that *everything* had to go right for that to happen—mainly staying healthy.
While Trout and Rendon are in decline due to age, I don’t think they are bad players or that either of them is done. *If* they can stay healthy, then they should still be productive, but that hasn’t been the case these last two years.
I’m still amazed that Minasian did nothing to sign a veteran SS especially in an offseason that featured many infielders. And when Fletcher and Rendon went went down, the SS void became exposed as a glaring hole in the infield.
Contrary to popular belief, the Angels actually have good starting pitching, but Maddon’s overuse of the bullpen quickly created a bad routine seeing the SP go 5+ solid innings only to have the bullpen blow the lead. Nevin is managing exactly the same as Maddon, so the results are still the same. We need a manager who can trust the SP, especially when he’s throwing good, and not remove them in the 5th or 6th inning because a runner got on base or because they’ve thrown 85-90 pitches.
I’m a fairly cynical Angels fan having followed them for well over 3 decades and seeing them during the good and bad times (mostly bad times). And maybe it’s too much wishful thinking on my end, but I do believe that a few smart moves can turn around the team—this doesn’t mean making the biggest splash in the offseason with an overpriced free agent. But signing a starting SS, shoring up the outfield and infield, signing a quality catcher to share duties with Stassi, signing 2-3 relievers.
Trading Ohtani might be a blessing in disguise. Whoever signs him will need to pay him $40-50M per season, as they’re essentially signing 2 players in 1, and that will put strain in the team salary. Meanwhile, the Angels should be able to receive at least 3-4 young talented players who are MLB-ready (or close to it) and will hopefully serve as the nucleus of the team’s future.
Volpe, Dominguez, Waldichuk, Medina, Sweeney plus 3 others?
Yankees send out Donaldson-Gallo-Volpe-Dominguez-wildichuck-anyone else
They want. I would try to hold onto wells
But if they want him they get him.
YAnkees take back Noah syneegard ohtani and rendon
Angels don’t want Donaldson or Gallo. They want prospects. They also aren’t going to dilute Ohtani’s value by attaching Rendon. Syndegaard is off the books at the end of the season, so that $12M of savings isn’t worth that much. Yanks aren’t close with that package
Again with Gallo??? You are joking. He has negative value. I always thought Yankees fans were baseball smart. Apparently not.
If they want prospects they should make a deal now. If they want ML ready talent they’re better off waiting.
They should move Ohtani with Rendon and start a rebuild ASAP. Two top prospects and eating the Rendon contract should be good. Mets would be a great fit…Cohen is not Arte. He’s not afraid of the $200MM payroll and making moves.
Move Thor, Iglesias, Loup also. Don’t think they could get much for Lorenzen and Fletcher but would move them too.
Leaves a lot of holes for next year, but this team as constructed has proven they can’t win even with players as dynamic as Trout and Ohtani. Time to do what they should have done in 2015/16.
this his own fault. bro decided to sign with a terrible team when he came over from japan because he didn’t want the “exposure” or something that comes with playing on a good team. let him play out his contract with the halos bro deserves what he signed up for.
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As much as I hate the Yankees they can make a pretty enticing offer with guys like Volpe, Wells, Medina, Dominguez, Waldichuk and a couple of pitching flyers like Gomez, Vasquez, etc.
I wonder if some teams. like the Mariners, who lusted after Ohtani when he came to MLB, would shift from a pursuit of Soto to Ohtani.
We were on the shortlist until the end… I felt jilted at the altar when Ohtani mentioned he’d be coming to Southern California then announced Anaheim as his destination. We still want him (who doesn’t?) but I don’t think we can justify the prospect cost of an acquisition. I’d rather wait until his FA run in 1.5 years but first things first: re-sign Musgrove.
The Angels are dysfunctional. Whatever they will do will be the wrong move
Sad but true.
Only dysfunctional due to one man. Arte Moreno…He will be reviled if this goes down. Actually, if they do trade Ohtani, might as well trade Trout. Then make the Angels the poster child of how to spend money on has beens and be irrelevant in the eyes of MLB.
A few PTBNLs might get it done.
If Braves gave up Acuna, Swanson, Contreras, and one more player (Anderson or Morton) is this too much for Ohtani to the Braves. As an Angels fan this team is embarrassing you have two of the best players in the last 100 years and our roster is garbage. Ohtani will either be traded to Braves or Yankees will sign him for 10 years 600 million.
Swanson is a FA at the end of the year. Why would the Angels do that? Plus Morton is under contract for only one more year. Angels would not be interested in him either.
Ohtani to Yankees in 2024 10 years 600 million.
If the Mets offer Alvarez, Mauricio and one of either Megill/Peterson do the Angels bite?
If the goal were simply to field a winning team as soon as possible, the Angels would probably be smart to trade Ohtani..
But no one is going to care about the Angels by then. Either way they lose.
Only a matter of time until Bob Nutting snaps Ohtani up for the Pirates. That time will be when Ohtani is 48 years old.
I’d love this lol.
The team sucks and they have 2 contracts already weighing down their payroll. They can’t afford to sign him nor will he want to resign.
Trade him now for top prospects + good players on team friendly contracts. If you can get a combo of the two it’s gonna be more valuable than having him dominate on a team that misses the playoffs by 20 games.
Would it be absurd to believe 1.5 years of Ohtani isn’t worth your 4 best prospects? 3 sure I’d bite at that.
He’s worth more. The Mariners should of offered their trade to the angels first.
Maybe The orioles catcher, Rodriguez, and their young SS. Plus some lotto tickets. I don’t think the O’s should do that lol but Ohtani is worth more than damn near any other team has in prospects. The O’s are prolly the only team who could prospect wise if Rushman sp lol was still a prospect that would be 3 top 10 guys.
After what the Reds just got for Castillo there isn’t a team that could make a trade for Ohtani with just prospects. The angel would have to get a Julio Rodriguez type player and prospects and there’s no other Julio Rodriguez’ out there lol.
Moreno is a leech on the Angels, the city of Anaheim, and baseball itself. The OC version of McCourt. The team has become a joke. I couldn’t blame any player for wanting out. So glad they were able to nix Moreno buying the stadium…..now he’ll be easier to get rid of.
No one can blame a player for not wanting to play for Moreno’s Angels. The team is a dysfunctional mess that only serves to line the owner’s pocket. He gets his LA market TV money no matter how many years we go without a playoff win. I’m glad his deal to buy the stadium fell through. He’s the OC version of McCourt.