9:06pm: In addition to Reed and Mallee, Mike Gallego will not return to the Angels as third base coach next season, reports Sarah Valenzuela of the LA Times (Twitter link). Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register reports that Gallego will be reassigned within the organization (Twitter link).
6:57pm: Assistant hitting coach John Mallee is also being let go, the team informed reporters (including Sam Blum of the Athletic). Mallee got the job over the 2019-20 offseason, not long after a stint as the lead hitting coach in Philadelphia.
4:59pm: The Angels are parting ways with hitting coach Jeremy Reed, reports Jon Heyman of the New York Post (Twitter link). The club has yet to announce the news, but it seems they’ll soon search for a new hitting coach to work under manager Phil Nevin.
Reed, 41, has spent the past four seasons in the role. His hiring came within a few weeks of the tabbing of Brad Ausmus as manager, but the Halos have had a fair bit of managerial turnover in the few seasons since then. Ausmus lasted just one year on the job before Joe Maddon was hired going into the 2020 season. Maddon held the position for two-plus seasons but was dismissed in June, with Nevin tabbed as his replacement on an interim basis. Nevin signed a one-year deal and had the interim tag removed after the 2022 campaign wrapped up.
The Halos were a below-average offensive team over the past four seasons. Since the start of 2019, they rank 22nd in runs scored. They’re 21st in on-base percentage and 18th in slugging. This past season was a particular struggle, as the Halos mustered only a .297 OBP (one of five teams to reach base at a sub-.300 clip). The ranked 15th with a .390 slugging mark, but no MLB team struck out more often than the Angels’ 25.7% rate. Of the 11 Anaheim hitters to top 200 plate appearances, just four (Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, Taylor Ward and Luis Rengifo) posted a wRC+ better than the 100 league average.
As with any coach, Reed certainly can’t shoulder all the blame for the Halos’ subpar performance. Los Angeles has run out top-heavy rosters for the past few seasons, and this year’s group was no exception. The Angels lost Anthony Rendon and David Fletcher for extended stretches, leaving them to rely more than anticipated on players like Andrew Velazquez and Matt Duffy. The Halos also saw sharp regressions from Jared Walsh and Max Stassi, both of whom had seemed to break out earlier in Reed’s tenure as hitting coach.
That said, the Halos have also seen some highly-touted young players struggle at the big league level. Left fielder Jo Adell is the most prominent example, as the former top prospect has managed just a .215/.259/.356 line through his first 161 MLB games. Brandon Marsh had serviceable numbers overall but significant strikeout concerns that presumably contributed to the Halos’ willingness to deal him for catching prospect Logan O’Hoppe at this past trade deadline. Adell and O’Hoppe could both play key roles on next year’s team as the Angels try to snap an eight-year playoff drought.
I’ll never forget how awesome he was for the 09 Mets. 9 rbi after spending a full season on the roster.
What’s that phrase.. those who cant do, teach? I guess he can’t teach, either..
Depends on how you define “do”. Because he was able to teach the players to “do” exactly what he did as a player.
If I hit .252 with an obp over .300 in a two seasons worth of at bats.. I wouldn’t worry about what yall think.
He wasn’t effective. Despite playing in a hitter’s park, Young players were not improving, more players who came here got worse, and more players that left got better.
This was a no brainer.
To be fair, he dealt with poor roster construction, injuries and lack of MLB and minor league depth. Many would have failed in his position.
Moreno’s selling of the team can’t come soon enough…
Kellin, it was the right call. What does this have to do with Moreno owning the team have to do with making this smart move?
Isnt he the one who makes all these terrible hires?
I was just wondering where you were going with that.
If you think he was responsible for hiring Reed, then I understand your point.
Arte doesn’t do the hiring. The GM does
Supposedly, but we know Moreno gets his hands dirty more often than not. So if Reed was hired specifically by the GM, Minasian has every reason to fire him since if my memory is correct, it was DiPoto that hired him?
Your memory is incorrect. Reed was promoted by Billy Eppler. I find it funny Dipoto gets blamed for every bad GM decision of the Angels. He hasn’t been involved with the Angels for almost eight years now. Ask the Mariners fans what they think about his decisions. It must be nice when you have a an owner that lets his front office do their job, and a GM who gets along with his manager.
@glooney Thats why it was a question. It wasnt a dig on DiPoto, I actually think he’s doing a fine job in Seattle, I wasnt sure who hired Reed.
You really really think any manager cares who the GM and Manager hire as coaches? Owners only care about FO people and the Manager.
Winslow I do.
Jim Fregosi had his own set of coaches that he tried to bring in wherever he went.
I think a manager has at least as much to do with the coaching staff as the GM.
Halo11- it was a typo. I mean to put Owner in place of manager. Was in a hurry and didn’t proof read.
@glooney1 Angel fans have plenty to blame Dipoto for. Dipoto inherited a perennial winner and left it a mess. Everything he did was a disaster. He signed the likes of Ryan Madson, Tommy Hanson, Sean Burnett, and Joe Blanton. Pretty much all his draft picks didn’t pan out. He side Roberto Baldoquin, which cost the Angel $14M and eliminated them from the Guerrero, Jr, Tatis Jr, and Juan Soto sweepstakes. He spent a ton of money on Pujols and Hamilton, which famously didn’t pan out. His best move was signing CJ Wilson. Most would consider it a bad move, but for Dipoto it was his best move.
He traded away Clevinger for Vinnie Pestano.
I’m glad someone realized that the CJ Wilson signing was a net positive. There is no doubt about it.
I think you might check your notes. Dipoto came in as GM in 2011, a team that finished 3rd in their division. They were a 98 win team in 2014. He quit in 2015 over the highly publicized disagreement with Scioscia. Not saying all his decisions were correct, but there sure seems to be a pattern from GM to GM. If you think they’re the ones making the calls on signings like Hamilton. Pujols, Upton, etc, instead of high quality pitching, you’re overlooking Marketing Man Arte. Ask Perry why his entire draft class was ‘arms’.
but bad deals have followed Dipoto. I read the article the other day about the 10 worst article the other day about the worst contracts in the AL West. The Angels, Rangers, and Mariners all had 3 players in the top 10.
The Angels had Rendon (the worst according to the ranking), Fletcher, and Stassi.
The Ms had Suarez, Ray, and Crawford.
Both teams could have been better if they spent the money elsewhere.
I agree with you completely, but trades are similar to prospects. You hope they work out the way you plan them. While Suarez was a throw in, his hitting helped the M’s to the playoffs. One great move Dipoto made for Seattle was getting rid of the Cano contract, and baggage, unlike the Angels handling of Pujols and/or Upton.
The GM is the manager in Seattle. Servais is a figurehead.
If the toilet continues to clog even after you’ve replaced all the internal parts, maybe it’s time to replace the toilet.
Flush.
The worst part about the staff this year was they were antognistic when any press asked questions. Oh also the terrible results, that was bad too.
Maddon said when Perry came over to his house, He was originally thinking about firing some coaches to shake up the team. Maddon said they’re not to blame. I guessed he agreed. he fired Maddon.
I think that’s Maddon stciking up for his guys but their staff was terrible
The rotation of Ohtani, Sandoval, Detmers, and Suarez is solid and better than most. They proved this during the 2nd half. Ohtani is definitely one of the top 10 starters in baseball. I think the Angels need to go with a 5 man rotation next year. I don’t know who the 5th starter would be, but most likely Canning will be given first shot.
Bullpen was horrible. The likes of Loup, Tepera, and Bradley did not live up to the contract they signed. Angels do have some reliever prospects in the minors unlike they have had a long time.
You mean our rotation is better than most teams not in the playoffs? Not better than Dodgers– not close, or the Padres, or the Astros, or the Mets…. and on and on. It’s better than it’s been for us, but they are a group of 3s, 4s, and 5s except for Ohtani.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step
I advocated for Reed getting fired a couple weeks ago and Samuel hurled personal insults at me. He needed to create strawmen to do it, but that’s what he did.
Hahaha Sam is pretty set in his opinions and philosophy like most of us on here who truly KNOW BASEBALL…I haven’t seen him get personal though. Stand your ground Halo Sam can take it haha.
Until he muted you for disagreeing which what happened to me
The way I always judge a coach is to ask the following question: “How many of the young guys are getting better under his direction?”
Replying to myself: This is why I want a complete turnover of the major League coaching staff for my Rangers.
It’s not just the major league coaching staff that needs to be turned over in Texas. Head of scouting, head of player development – anyone hired by Jon Daniels not named Chris Young. Ten years of draft and development failures don’t happen because of bad ownership or bad luck.
Which is why Wise should keep his job.
A very cheap Patrick Sandoval was a significant contributor to a fantasy championship for me this year. I’ll have him for cheap again next year.
Halo I agree
Nate Lowe had a great year this year after leaving Tampa Bay. There’s one positive for you. Also the firing of the GM, coach is a good start as well. Cheers.
You are right etex….You are right…
Good luck to him!
The should part ways with more than Reed. Their front office is a joke! Top to bottom…no one has a clue what they are doing.
Dude working in a warehouse has better future than hitting coach. You can’t make anyone wash their hands after they take a bathroom break.
That would defeat the purpose if Moises Alou is the hitting coach.
Finally, a smart move by the Angels.
Ever since the 2009 ALCS, the Halos have been hurting….
Hopefully Logan O’hop will take that next big leap in his development
I guess Ohtani saying he has “negative” feelings going in to next seaaon has scared the front office
Maybe Rsox……
But with the impending sale I think they were already scared.
I do believe that they have detailed contingency plans that were started months ago to deal with whatever.
Was thinking the other day – if they sign Bogaerts to play SS for 5 years, does that hold Otani for a year so to see what else they do?
I think the win/loss record will mean more to Ohtani than the Angels throwing money at yet another hitter. Since Ohtani has been in the league we’ve seen the Angels bring in Matt Harvey, Trevor Cahill, Julio Teheran, Jose Quintana, Dylan Bundy, Alex Cobb, Noah Syndergaard, and Michael Lorenzon to pitch in the rotation with him to zero success. Now, if they could get Jacob deGrom that may go a bit farther in getting him to stay
One starter would not have helped the Angels. In retrospect, it good they didn’t throw away commitments to sign pitchers to long term contracts. With the emergence of young pitching, they need hitters. I actually like the Angels shortstop mix.
Angels fans will hate this, but the Angels are in a perfect position for a one-year rebuild. The press fawns over Ohtani & Trout, but imo, and to your point, the key to the Angels future is their rotation.
I don’t see the Angels as a 2023 playoff contender. Their positional OPS relative to the league is:
C 75
1B 65
2B 78
SS 73
3B 86
LF 65
So you basically have 3 hitters in your lineup. I would trade Ohtani for a major ready LF & SS, and Adell for some live BP arms., hope for health for Rendon and reversion from Walsh.
I don’t think you’re far away, but if you play .525, miss the playoffs, and lose Ohtani for nothing, then you are moving sideways.
Just for the hell of it, let’s add Wil Myers.
1B Wash and Myers (platoon) will have an OPS+ of well over 100.
LF. I would expect Myers and Adell to have a combined OPS+ of around 100.
3B. Rendon.
2B) I was never fond of the Fletcher extension. But he’s a serviceable player.
That leave SS and Catcher. That’s a tricky situation. Neto and O’Hoppe are their two best prospects, and I expect them to both be on the Roster by the end of the year. I’d spend the money on bullpen and a mid-rotation starter, and I think that team contends… if relatively healthy.
Joe Brady – I agree with you but it’s painful. Adell to me is a no brainer. We should trade him before another season reveals his lack of ability to figure this game out. But if we could get an appropriate haul for Ohtani and spread that money around the diamond, that would be more effective than keeping him at an outrageous long term cost with no money to spend elsewhere.
Rendon, Upton, Pujols, et al, have killed our ability to build a competitive team around Trout. We now have $104m committed for three players in 2023 with Trout, Rendon, and Ohtani. Assuming the team doesn’t sell soon, that means Moreno will allow Minasian to build the entire rest of the team on $84 using the 2022 team salary as a cap. If that’s the case, it will be more of the same in 2023.
Regarding Reed and Mallee, if Maddon was fired after a 12 game losing streak, these two guys should have been fired after an even longer hitting drought.
Salmon and Wally Joyner made their debut at an older age than Adell is now. If you gave up on every prospect who was 23, you’d end up with a terrible team.
I get the skepticism, but man, you’ve gone overboard.
Halo- I’ve been consistent in saying Adell needs more time in AAA, specifically an entire season. I am fine with a trade too. But whatever happens with him, he should not wear an Angels uniform in 2023. I don’t see his value beyond a young player that has not lived up to his hype. Maybe he will in the coming years. He hasn’t yet yet.
If you gave up on every prospect who was 23
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It is said that there are two things that kill a fantasy team.
#1 is a lack of patience.
#2 is too much patience.
If you want to dump him in AAA (or AA) and hope for development, I wouldn’t argue either way. But he just gets increasingly worse every month. In his last 41 games, roughly a quarter-season, he had a 53/2 K/W. That’s impossibly bad.
To me, that’s like me going into a batting cage, and trying to hit a machine throwing 95. And missing every time. I don’t think I am going to learn how to hit 95 unless I progress through 75, 80, 85, and 90.
And you have also been consistent saying he’s a terrible outfielder, he’s not. Not anymore.
The PCL is not going to help him. He may never hit, but growth is not linear. Marsh was up here not hitting and he is more than a year older than Adell. I wouldn’t give up on Marsh either.
I wouldn’t depend on Adell, but that’s a far cry from what you want.
Joe, he’s a mistake hitter. No doubt about that. And I have no issue with him having to make the team out of Spring training.
The Angels can’t depend on him. Which is why I’ve been saying for six weeks, Wil Myers.
In 2021 in AAAW he hit .289/.342/.592 with 23 HRs and 69 RBIs in only 311 ABs. The guy can hit. He just can’t hit MLB pitching. Yet.
He also can’t field very well. So when your bat is cold and you’re chunking routes, it’s tough to remain valuable.
I think he can get there, but he has to have little pressure and have others produce first.
The last for months of the season he was +1 in outs above average. That’s better than Ward, and by definition, better than average.
I understand when people criticize Adell for not being a good hitter, but The Angels have a tough left field, and he played it at least adequately over the second half of the season.
I think people have locked themselves into an opinion that is no longer supported by the data.
Halo – I have acknowledged he has made some good defensive plays lately. But they seem to mostly happen when he has to move in on the ball. When he has to move back, that’s when his lack of routing sense becomes more apparent, although not always.
You keep saying the PCL is not where you learn to hit, but that’s where the Bees play so that’s where he goes to learn to hit. It’s a much better option than having him hurt the MLB team. And considering all of our home grown players learned there, Trout, et al, it’s an even playing field for Adell for comparison purposes.
That being said, keep him trade him, whatever. I don’t think he should wear an Angels uniform in 2023. I definitely have a harsher stance than you do on Adell. Our difference of opinion is what prompts the debate. Good stuff.
It was in response to dirkg.
I think it’s time to simply concentrate on him being an awful hitter.
I think that is fair.
And you are clearly entitled to your opinion regarding the PCL. But I live in a PCL city, and I have a completely different opinion.
dirkg
In 2021 in AAAW he hit .289/.342/.592 with 23 HRs and 69 RBIs in only 311 ABs. The guy can hit.
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That production came with a 99/22 K/W. That’s 4.5/1, in AAA. He has a 107/11 in the pros in 2022. That’s in the ballpark of what you might expect based on the 99/22 in AAA. You cannot hit with that ratio. You need to be trained to lay off certain pitches, and that training is very difficult in the pros.
But just as importantly, he has not progressed on iota. In three years:
7.86 K/W with 1 HR/41.3 ABs
4.00 K/W with 1 HR/32.5 ABs
9.73 K/W with 1 HR/33.5 ABs
DirkG,
I get it, the criticism is more than fair.
He has progressed since he was 21, but he has not progressed over last year.
I think he’s more suspect than prospect, but he’s still only 23.
There was a time you berated me for stating I believed Marsh to be the better player.
Well, he plays gold glove caliber defense as his nomination proved today. The hitting is coming along and will get better now that he is in Philly.
Brandon Marsh says hi
Yea Wil Myers will fix all ur problems
Berated or Disagreed? They are not the same thing.
I think Adell will end up being a much better player than Marsh. But I’m much less confident than I was a year ago.
No one player fixes all your problems. A health elixir might, but that’s about it
Wil Myers is a possible solution for two possible issues that might bite the Angels on the butt. Adds like that are good.
prov356- What makes you think the other 29 teams aren’t seeing Adell’s lack of ability?
That being said. He is 23! I have not heard any negatives about his work ethic or attitude. The Mets gave up on Nolan Ryan at age 24 and made one of the most foolish trades in baseball history.
Will he develop in to a super star ? I doubt it, but he may develop in to some one like Darin Erstad(esque). type of player.
1972 – I agree that he has been on display for all to see so it may be too late, or at least not good timing at the moment. I have said many times that since he’s not ready to help the Angels now, then we should consider trading him for a player or two who can. Keep him or trade him, I don’t think he should be on an MLB roster in 2023.
I think as Angels fans, we have been conditioned to settle for mediocre players and hope they work out. If he was a Dodger, he wouldn’t be in the majors. He would be in AAA learning how to play. I really hope he figures it out because he is young as you point out.
The Angels quite a few issues.
1. Getting on base., They have so many on the roster that are below .300. It is hard to score runs consistently when you have 5 or 6 guys in a row that are below ..300. It would be nice to add relative inexpensive player like Benintendi that has a better idea of the strike zone.
2. Angels lack depth. All teams deal with injuries but most teams have a MLB player. You’re not going to replace Mike Trout, but when you replace him with Sierra or Moniak, it becomes a bigger issue.
3. Bullpen. The bullpen was horrible again this year. It has been a deficiency for a long time. With starters going shorter innings, the bullpen needs to be a focus. The Angels spent a lot of money to address this, Iglesias, Tepera, Loup, and Bradley.. I was optimistic, but it was more of the same. Can’t win when your bullpen continuously demoralizes the team. I understand what Minasian was trying to do, The Angels didn’t have any ready bullpen arms. He tried to build a bullpen via free agency. He planned to use a 2 year bridge via free agency to develop his own arms in house, but that bridge is on fire right now and not in a good way.
1. Getting on base., They have so many on the roster that are below .300.
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That’s directly related to the K/W issue I continually harp on. They have the highest amount of strikeouts in all baseball, and the 25th worst amount of walks. That’s a horrible combination. It makes them #29 overall.
FWIW, the #1 thru #9 teams all made the playoffs.
What makes you think the other 29 teams aren’t seeing Adell’s lack of ability?
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There are two universal truths about GMs.
1-They all know the stats.
2-There is always at least one that thinks they are special, and that they will be the one to turn a player around.
And I think there are no small amount of GMs that want to be recognized as being smart, so they will pick the players that no one else will pick.
That’s how Jon Gruden set the Raiders back 5+ years.
prov356 – conditioned to settle or have most accepted the impatience of the front office? The Angels have been mired in mediocrity because they have lacked depth (among other things).. In 2002 there were no HOFers. and really only 3 (GA. Salmon, and Frankie) who would be in the “Hall of the very good”. The team had depth. The team bought into the system and had success as a result. Recent teams haven’t’ bought in to the system because there IS NO SYSTEM. Why? Because there is always turnover, whether it be the GM, or the manager, no one lasts as of late.
Unfortunately with the pending sale, Angels fans are in for a boring off season, followed by a painful, here we go again, bottom feeder season.
Looks good to me.
Prov356, I think some of the perceived problem with Adell’s improvement in his defense is that his stats show an average. He has problems as well as great plays. On average his defense has improved as indicated by outs above average. I take this as he has improving and lately has been average to slightly above. I don’t see the inability going back. I have seen him overrun a ball coming in and have seen him rob extra bases and a HR going back. I think he will keep improving but for some there is a trust factor.
Tim – By all reports, Adell is very athletic. If he keeps improving, he could be a great player. My biggest concern for him is at the plate though.
Yea he really looked good for the Padres in that last bat of the season for him. If you are hoping a guy like Will Myers is gonna help the Angels u need help. They need a good manager and hitting coach first
I was really young when Mike Gallego was on his way out of the league. But I will never forget him, Greg Jeffries, and Ben Grieve. Because I feel like every baseball card booster pack from that time had like 2 of each of them.
I skipped the #1-2 draft and #1 overall prospect Grieve.
But I had my collection of Jefferies cards. At age 25, he had 16 HRs and 42 SBs. He reminded me of a only slightly less-skilled version of an early Cesar Cedeno. I got lucky and sold some at a profit quickly, cutting down my cost per card. But the rest had to get sold for a loss. He should’ve been a whole lot better.
Jeffries was a super hyped can’t-miss Mets prospect that like so many other Mets prospects missed big time. Was terrible defensively no matter where you put him and was not good enough offensively to make up for it. He did however somehow manage to get a guaranteed $20 million dollars out of the Phillies before the ’95 season so i guess theres that.
Bill Pulispher and Eduardo Perez were the “prospects” cards i for some reason seemed to find in almost every booster back and we all know how things turned out with them
Once you get clipped as a 3B Coach where would you be assigned to??
1B and 3B Coach are emeritus positions. People shouldn’t be all that interested or concerned.
One of those jobs u loose where u got to remind yourself to look said while you’re saying good bye to everyone
All good moves. Not been a fan of the Angels hitting philosophy since Reed was hired.
Deck chairs shuffled, Captain Edward Smith!
Getting rid of Reed is the best move so far in the offseason. The lack of progress from Adell and Marsh was egregious. Of course Marsh left at the deadline and had his swing and stance changed by the Phillies with excellent results. Meanwhile, Adell still looks lost at the plate. He doesn’t seem to have an approach. His swing and miss is way too dominant. He has trouble recognizing breaking balls and can’t hit high fastballs. His problems at the plate are compounded by his poor defense. 2023 will probably be his last chance to show marked improvement before he is relegated to being a career AAA playe.
Now that the coaches have been fired perhaps Trout and Ohtani will finally live up to expectations.
Trout and Ohtani didn’t live up to expectations? Is this sarcasm?
Yes of course. Too much is made about hitting coaches. Sure they can be of use. Like a personal trainer, but there’s talent or their isn’t. Jimmy Page could be my coach and I’ll never be able to play well lol
True, But if Page has been teaching you to play for four years, and you still can’t play a note, then it is possible that he is not a good coach.
I had hoped it was sarcasm, but I’ve learned to take little for granted on internet message threads, if you know what I mean.
On the other hand, it can be argued that a hitting coach’s job isn’t just to counsel exceptionally talented hitters, but also to improve the approach of less-talented hitters and to work with even the best hitters to identify needed tweaks when they fall into a slump.
It’s easier to fire a hitting coach, of course, than to cut a player with a guaranteed contract, and this firing may have been a case of scapegoating. But it can be simultaneously true that the roster was badly constructed and the hitting coach failed at his job. Velazquez couldn’t hit as a Yankee and stayed on the same low plateau as an Angel; but Brandon Marsh is doing great as a Phillie.
You wasted them he means.
Bring Howie home, to be the new hitting coach
As with any coach, Reed certainly can’t shoulder all the blame for the Halos’ subpar performance.
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Well, he kind of can. Every team has injuries. But the Angels have maybe the 2nd worst K/W in baseball. Some of that is inherited, but Adell, Marsh & Rengifo combined for a 303/50 K/W. Those are young guys, so that is the hitting coach’s responsibility.
So, the Angels let go of Gallego.
My ‘let go of my eggo’ pun was an epic fail. Oh, well.
Makes sense to me. Shake things up and let Perry and Nevin get their own coaches set up. Lets all remember that Perry has had a short time in the organization and needs to get his time to change things around. I’ve said it in the last few years but this off season is the most important for this organization to get a better direction and identity. Starts with a new owner and see what will happen with Ohtani. Buckle up! It’s gonna be a fun and bumpy ride
This is exactly what needs to happen in the Cardinals organization.
“Marsh, Rengifo named Gold Glove Award Finalists.”
Halo – Rengifo is a Gold Glove finalist!
LOL, For Utility.
Honestly, Renigo is a horrible defensive player, and how many utility players with 300 ABs are there?
LeMahiew is a good fielder, Rengifo is an awful fielder, If anyone thinks otherwise, they don’t follow this game. It’s like thinking the Molina boys are fast.
Halo11Fan – So Rengifo was nominated because he is an awful fielder?
I do follow the game and I DON’T think Rengifo is an awful fielder. Your opinion is your opinion, but it doesn’t always make it the right opinion.
He wasn’t good at SS, but he was at least decent (and could make pretty good plays) at 3b or 2b. I see him mostly at 3b if Rendon continues to be injury prone. Not too sanguine about Rengifo at 2b since that would mean either Fletcher is at SS or, worse, injured.
I like Rengifo on the team. He reminds me of an early years Chone Figgins. He doesn’t seem to care where he plays. When he is in the lineup there is a little extra energy.
You think he’s anything but a horrible defender? He’s the worst defensive player on the Angels by far. He likely got one or two votes from people who didn’t want to do research finding a utility player worth a damn.
In his utility play, Rengifo was -6 in runs prevented. By far the worst on the Angels. By the way, DJ was +7 and Merrifield was +5. Rengifo on the list is @ joke
I do berate anyone who thinks he’s an adequate defender.
Berate or Disagree? They are not the same thing.
Your elixir seems to be getting stronger.
Figgins could actually play a good third base. He needed to stand up to throw the ball which, which really killed his middle. Infield prospects.
1972, They are two different things. This is berate. He’s terrible. And it’s obvious. And if I said Adell was an adequate fielder any time before the second half of the year, I would have deserved to be berated.
I’m a huge Adell fan, and I never said he was an adequate defender until the evidence the claim.
The evidence shows Rengifo is a bad defender, which is also supported by my eyes.
He was awful at second. In his limited time there, he was -3 in outs above average. By far the worst on the Angels.
When the evidence is this clear, it’s not an opinion. It’s like saying Molina boys are fast and ignoring the stop watch. It’s not an opinion…sorry.
Halo – You feel the need to berate simply because you feel your opinion is more valid than someone else’s opinion?
Unless you are on the MLB payroll and the management of the Angels has you in on meetings discussing the future of the Angels, the simple fact is all you have is an opinion. AND….your opinion is no more valid than mine.
You are welcome to disagree, but if you feel the need to berate, you have another thing coming.
Quite simply. It is only an opinion
Not all opinions are created equal. Quite simply, it’s not an opinion. Rengifo is a bad defensive player is a fact.
It’s as absurd to argue that point as it is to argue Adell has always been an adequate fielder.
Adell was terrible defensively in 2020 and 2021 is a fact. Not an opinion.
So the voters who have Rengifo as a finalist for the Utility GG know less about the sport than you?
I can stand and yell just as loud as you. I will not back down from the berating comment. You can be a playground bully all you want, but don’t expect me to go cower n the corner because that won’t happen.
Unless you are on the MLB payroll and the management of the Angels has you in on meetings discussing the future of the Angels, the simple fact is all you have is an opinion. AND….your opinion is no more valid than mine.
How many utility players are there in the American League who have over 350 ABs? It can’t be too many. But anyone who thinks Rengifo is even an average defender knows less about his defense than I do. At best he’s a bad defensive player.
I hope that answers your question.
Yes you did. You do not have all the facts to back your statement.
How many utility players are there in the American League who have over 350 ABs? It can’t be too many
Fact:
He is a GOLD GLOVE FINALIST.
How can you call yourself Halo11Fan, when you mock an achievement for a player?
Maybe you should put down your beer, sit in your seat, and enjoy the Angels game.
What achievement was that? In 1996, Pat Paulson finished second in the New Hampshire Presidential primary. In 1992, second in the North Dakota Primary. So should we celebrate Pat Paulson’s achievement even though we know it was a joke?
You people crack me up.
Am I mocking Pat Paulson?
In case yo missed it Luis Rengio is a finalist for the Gold Glove award. That is an achievement
You can throw all the BS you want. You can’t hide that you felt the need to berate when you, in fact do not have all the facts to help support your claim. I can’t help it you made a frivolous remark that if someone didn’t agree with you, they didn’t follow baseball. Don’t make those sort of statements if you don’t want someone to challenge you on it.
We all make mistakes. Can you learn from yours and grow to be a better person?
He’s a bad defensive player. PERIOD.
Pat Paulson was a bad Presidential candidate…Period.
Not mocking Rengifo or Paulson. , I’m mocking anyone who believes otherwise.
You people crack me up. I doubt even you think Rengifo is an average defensive player. No one in their right mind believes that.
Yet…Here he is a finalist for the Gold Glove.
You back your statement with this…..
How many utility players are there in the American League who have over 350 ABs? It can’t be too many.
It takes a big person to admit their mistakes, and a bigger person to forgive. I forgive you.
You can’t even write you think he’s good defensively player. And I understand why. Go ahead…write it.
Because if you have been an Angel fan since 1972 and think he’s a good defensive player, then your knowledge of baseball is not based on personal observation or data driven evidence.
No non-ignorant person who watches Angel games thinks he’s a good defensive player. And no data can be used to support such a claim.
It’s amazing how few fans are pushing back on this. And you know why? Because every Angel fan knows he’s a defensive liability. I think even you know that .
You make amazing claims for someone who has not met me. I have stated a FACT. you have stated merely YOUR opinion.
I find your rant insulting, that is why I refuse to bow down to your wishes. Had I truly felt he was as bad a defender as your arm chair quarterbacking simple minded opinions stated, I would not have replied to your challenge.
Anyone can go to the internet and look up stats they truly have no idea what metrics are used to get to the #s they are reading. You are making a PERSONAL OBSERVATION that is all. You are not on the field. You are not in the dugout. You are not in the front office. I enjoy the banter that goes on in here, however, if you choose to throw an insult. I draw the line there.
No non-ignorant person who watches Angel games thinks he’s a good defensive player. And no data can be used to support such a claim…..prove it!
It’s amazing how few fans are pushing back on this. And you know why? Because every Angel fan knows he’s a defensive liability. I think even you know that ….prove it!
All I can say is thank god you are not on the Angels payroll.
I am done. I will go on with my day. You can wallow in yours.
What claim about you am I making? Do you think he’s a good defensive player? Really?
Prove he’s a bad defensive player? Go look at statcast outs above average. Just to give you a little background, they measure every play. The speed of the batter, how hard the ball is hit, where it is hit, where the fielder is playing, the angle of the batter ball and so on. They are the best I know. And look at the results. Base it on things you know. They have him the worst defensive player on the Angels. Marsh and Fletcher the best.
Fangraphs isn’t as good, but it’s pretty good..
And the Fielding Bible awards will come out shortly. See who they list as utility players and how Rengifo does.
I started this so I thought I’d chime in. I have seen Rengifo make some amazing defensive plays and I’ve seen him botch a few, mostly throws to first base. Based on his improvement at the plate and what I perceive as his defensive improvement in the second half, I believe he is an asset going into 2023 and the utility infield position should be his job to lose next year. The fact that he is a GG finalist shows that other people saw some good defense from him too.
As a utility player he’s an asset, but he’s a bad defensively, and all his hitting was done in a single month.
In July alone he was -7 in outs above average. But he hit. In August and September, he was playable defensively, But he didn’t hit.
I don’t see an everyday player. Both offensively and defensively, he’s a loud player and those types of players are very streaky, as he has shown.
I agree with that. Looking forward to see if he continues his upward trajectory. His improvement came in the second half after July.
He did show improvement to me but was very inconsistent. He could improve his glove and His bat was good even if it was a short amount of time. I was most surprised by the power. As you said he is an asset and is one reason the Angels will have lots more options next year. When it comes to the GG award I was stunned when I saw this. I can’t think any Angels fan that would have him replace for defense, Fletcher at 2B, Squid at SS, or Rendon at 3B. If you want an Angel to win a GG I think Velazquez has a much better case for GG at SS.
Dipoto also did fleece the Angels for 3 quality pitching prospects for Dan Harden (when he was GM (interim, I think) for DBacks. I was really hoping that he’d do some comparable fleecing for the Angels while in Anaheim, but that never really happened.
PS. Supposed to be a reply to the Dipoto related exchange above. Not sure this comment wound up here….. :/