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Latest On Tarik Skubal, Matt Manning

By Anthony Franco | October 13, 2022 at 6:59pm CDT

Oct 13: In a separate piece, Petzold writes that both Manning and the Tigers are optimistic that surgery will not be necessary to address the righty’s forearm issue.

Oct 12: One of the stories of the Tigers dismal 2022 season was the number of injuries they were forced to endure on the pitching staff. Detroit lost all five members of its season-opening rotation at some point along the way, including a pair of arm surgeries for arguably their top two young arms.

Casey Mize underwent Tommy John surgery in June, the culmination of a few months battling elbow troubles. Two months later, Tarik Skubal had to go under the knife himself. His was a flexor tendon repair in his forearm, a disheartening end to what had been shaping up as a breakout campaign. The Tigers didn’t provide more details about a potential recovery timeline, only announcing that he’d miss the remainder of the 2022 season.

It still isn’t clear when Skubal can expect to a return to a big league mound, but he recently updated Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free-Press on his status. The southpaw tells Petzold he’s currently building arm strength in physical therapy and has a follow-up meeting with his surgeon, Dr. Neal ElAttrache, in December. Skubal indicated he hopes he’ll be able to begin a throwing program by January if all goes well. While he declined to specify any sort of timeline for game action, he confirmed he’s likely to pitch at some point during the 2023 season.

It seems questionable whether he’ll be ready for Opening Day, however. That’s hardly a surprise, as flexor repairs are a notable procedure in their own right. Former Tiger southpaw Matthew Boyd underwent a flexor repair last September; he didn’t return from the injured list until 11 months later. Danny Duffy had the procedure in October 2021 and has missed the entire 2022 season after suffering a setback in August. That’s not to say Skubal is certain to face the same recovery timetable, but it’s illustrative of the fact that rehabbing from these procedures is no simple matter.

Nevertheless, the 25-year-old Skubal took a generally optimistic attitude towards the flexor repair, calling it “the best-case scenario in terms of all the surgery outcomes.” He tells Petzold he went into the operation not knowing whether he’d need a full Tummy John surgery that’d surely have kept him out for all of 2023. Fortunately, his UCL was intact and didn’t require repair.

Mize and Skubal are two-thirds of what Detroit envisioned being an excellent homegrown rotation. Both are now recovering from major surgeries, and Mize will miss most or all of next year. The third, Matt Manning, was scratched from his final start of the season with what the club called a forearm strain. Manager A.J. Hinch downplayed the issue at the time, saying the team shut him down out of an abundance of caution. However, Petzold now reports that Manning is soon to head for a second opinion with Dr. Keith Meister.

To be clear, there’s no indication that Manning is facing surgery at this point. Doctors may just be keeping a close eye on the highly-touted 24-year-old. Still, Petzold writes it’s possible Manning won’t be healthy for Opening Day (although that by no means appears certain yet). Manning also missed a good chunk of the season with shoulder issues, but he took the ball every fifth day for the season’s final two months before the forearm issue arose.

Ostensible injury question marks for all three of Mize, Skubal and Manning present a major challenge for first-year president of baseball operations Scott Harris. Eduardo Rodríguez is a lock for the season-opening starting five. Skubal and Manning would be in the rotation if healthy. Detroit shuttled through a number of arms at the back end this year, but none look to have done enough to force their way into the rotation. Joey Wentz, Beau Brieske and Alex Faedo have each been prospects of note in the past, but none missed many bats at the big league level. Rony García had serviceable strikeout and walk numbers but a 5.11 ERA as a starter, and he ended the season on the IL with a shoulder problem. Spencer Turnbull will be returning after a season lost to Tommy John surgery.

Even in what’s likely to be a non-competitive 2023 campaign, Harris and his front office group will have to bring in some starting pitchers from outside the organization. There’s already room for one or two veterans to soak up innings, and it seems likely the Tigers will leverage their high offseason waiver priority to take a flier on some depth arms of interest. The need to add rotation options would only become more acute if Skubal and/or Manning aren’t able to open the season in Hinch’s rotation.

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  1. weaselpuppy

    3 years ago

    RedBull should be ready for the rotation after his TJ lost last 1+ years. Skubal may not be ready, so ERod, Turnbull, Manning, one of Wentz/Faedo/Brieske and a FA may be best case. Skubal replaces someone midyear.

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    • C Yards Jeff

      3 years ago

      When Manning came off the DL, the season was already lost. Why even pitch him, let alone give him the ball every 5th day? Baffling. “Forearm strain”! “Second opinion”! Oof.

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  2. SamtheMan!

    3 years ago

    Wentz looked perfectly fine. Don’t need to K 11 per 9 to be a quality back end arm

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  3. GymnasticCapMasterish

    3 years ago

    Just hoping Harris is as good as his other counter parts , Brad Holmes , Steve Yzerman and Troy Weaver.. haven’t turned teams into winners yet but the future looks a lot brighter .. Would love to see the Tigers on the upswing too

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    • Jay 30

      3 years ago

      Holmes should be on the hot seat, but that’s another forum.

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      • TheChampIsHere

        3 years ago

        No chance. Maybe the coaches if this continues, but Holmes is safe.

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        • weaselpuppy

          3 years ago

          Not if he craters another FA Period. He needs 2 defensive impact starters in FA to survive to year 4

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  4. Dumpster Divin Theo

    3 years ago

    Tarik Skubal? Sounds more like Tarik Skrubal. Amirite?

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  5. TroyVan

    3 years ago

    It’s fine that Anthony made no mention of Spencer Turnbull. But, if you’re interested, he pitched a no hitter in his first “full” year.

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  6. miggywrld

    3 years ago

    Can’t believe they DFA’d their ace in Drew Hutchinson!

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    • Hello, Newman

      3 years ago

      I mean we can all say whatever we want. I get it, the guy was not the best- but he showed up (cough-cough) & did his job competently; and that’s all I can ask for. Especially after a season like that. I’ll take him over another Jordan Zimmerman/Anibal Sanchez/Pelfrey situation

      I would like to see him back in the Tigers system.

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      • TroyVan

        3 years ago

        I agree, Newman. He is basically a AAAA pitcher who was called upon to eat up some innings due to a rash of injuries. No, he wasn’t ever great, but most times he went out and gave the Tigers a chance to win. Yeah, they had to score some runs to do so, but the fact that they usually couldn’t isn’t on him. If he had a multi million dollar+ contract, maybe we could complain. But, I’m sure he’s making near league minimum.

        I think he had a better year than E-Rod, even after the Tigers gave him his walking papers like 5x.

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  7. joefriday1948

    3 years ago

    Looks like more losses next season than this one. Hopefully the Tigers will trade for Colton Welker.

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      I would love to see a 1B/DH signed as insurance for Torkelson, and reduce Cabrera’s playing time. Cris Cron may be available in trade, as another option.

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      • not alkaline

        3 years ago

        I would like them to sign a LH hitting 1b/DH for same reason Stymedone.

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  8. User 1580013680

    3 years ago

    Woke

    Reply
  9. GarryHarris

    3 years ago

    I’d like to see the Tigers trade Eduardo Rodriguez. I really don’t care for what just as long as he’s not a Tiger by Spring.

    Reply
  10. Rsox

    3 years ago

    I expect the Tigers will make another Michael Pineda type addition and probably a minor league signing or two to fill out the rotation til they start getting guys healthy

    Reply
  11. rememberthecoop

    3 years ago

    Tigers sure looked to be turning a corner prior to 2022, but now they’re a mess.

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      Not if they get healthy, tho that’s asking a lot!

      Reply
  12. LeylandsLung

    3 years ago

    Tigers should sign Matthew Boyd now that he’s healthy.

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  13. sergefunction

    3 years ago

    Eduardo Rodriguez is a “lock” for next year’s starting rotation in Detroit? Have we not been paying attention?

    Please amend that to “we’ll see”.

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    • Hello, Newman

      3 years ago

      While we’re at it, go ahead and put Meadows in the “maybe column” too

      Reply
  14. stymeedone

    3 years ago

    Minnesota surprised everyone by signing Correa. I would love to see the Tigers do the same by bring back Verlander on a two year deal. The youngsters would learn a lot from him.

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    • Detroit_SP

      3 years ago

      But he is still winning. No way he comes back to a team in the gutter. Maybe if they were a player or two away…

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  15. DefensiveIndifference

    3 years ago

    The Tigers were on my list of up and comers going into this past season. It could not have gone worse since that point. Not much to do other than wait it out. 3 promising pitchers, hope they get healthy but it looks pretty bleak.

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  16. Pads Fans

    3 years ago

    I am thinking that in terms of pitching Harris repeats what he did in SF and goes after some short term deals for #2-#4 type starters on 2-3 year deals. Maybe “reclamation projects” like Gausman and Wood were.

    Reply
  17. Marto

    3 years ago

    Tigers have been terrible at reclamation. I would much rather see young guys learning on the fly.

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  18. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    3 years ago

    Even in what’s likely to be a non-competitive 2023 campaign, Harris and his front office group……..

    Huh?

    Unacceptable!
    Don’t take the pedal off.the.metal now, Tiger fans…..

    Reply
  19. getrealgone2

    3 years ago

    Next update: Matt Manning to undergo Tommy John Surgery.

    Reply
  20. Ron Hayes

    3 years ago

    These guys think they’re the Angels..

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