December 22: The Mets have officially announced the deal.
December 15: The Mets have dipped into free agency yet again, agreeing to terms with backstop Omar Narváez. It’s reportedly a two-year, $15MM guarantee that allows him to opt out at the end of next season. Narváez, a client of ISE Baseball, will make $8MM in 2023, leaving him to decide on a $7MM option for the following season.
Narváez, who turns 31 in February, heads to Queens after three seasons in Milwaukee. The Brewers acquired the lefty-hitting backstop from the Mariners during the 2019-20 offseason. Narváez had developed a reputation as a bat-first catcher in the Pacific Northwest. He’d hit .278/.353/.460 during his lone season with Seattle. That’s excellent production for a catcher, but his pitch framing metrics were well below-average.
The Brewers landed the #1 catcher they’d been seeking in that deal, although they likely didn’t foresee the scope of his production changing the way it did. Narváez seemed to make a concerted effort to improving his pitch framing numbers. He posted strong marks in that regard in all three seasons in Wisconsin, with Statcast cumulatively crediting him as 21 runs above average over the three-year stretch. That defensive uptick coincided with a drop in production at the plate, though, as he hasn’t managed to repeat his early-career offensive numbers.
Over his time as a Brewer, Narváez hit .233/.318/.350. He was average or worse in each season, including a lackluster .206/.292/.305 mark in 296 plate appearances during his platform year. The Venezuela native had a pair of injured list stints this year, missing time with COVID-19 and then a left hamstring strain. Even when healthy, Milwaukee deployed a more even split in playing time with Víctor Caratini, who marginally outperformed Narváez at the plate.
Narváez has solid contact skills, but a 22-homer season of 2019 now looks like the product of the very lively ball used that season. He’s only topped 10 homers in another year once, hitting 11 in Milwaukee’s hitter-friendly home environment in 2021. While he rarely hits the ball hard, he’s worked walks at a strong clip in each season of his career and strikes out less often than the average batter (aside from an anomalous spike in the abbreviated 2020 campaign).
It’s a bit surprising to see Narváez secure a $15MM commitment, particularly one that affords him a chance to retest the market a year from now. With Willson Contreras and Christian Vázquez off the board, he was the top remaining free agent backstop. Narváez has showed glimpses of offensive and defensive potential, although he’s never quite put the two together over a full season.
New York has been incredibly aggressive this winter, but they’d sat out the catching market. The Mets could’ve rolled things back with veteran James McCann as the starter, particularly since they have the glove-first Tomás Nido as a depth option and top prospect Francisco Álvarez in the wings. McCann has only a .220/.282/.328 line in 603 plate appearances since signing a four-year free agent deal over the 2020-21 offseason. Nido has never hit enough to be a regular, and the 21-year-old Álvarez still faces questions about his ability to handle the rigors of the position. The presence of Narváez doesn’t figure to stand in Álvarez’s way once the organization deems the youngster ready for a full look, though it’ll afford them some extra veteran security if he needs more time to hone his receiving and game-calling skills.
The Mets would presumably be happy to find a trade partner for McCann. With $24MM still due over the final two years of his contract, the Mets would surely have to pay down some of the money to offload the veteran backstop. They could keep the righty-hitting McCann to partner with Nárvaez in a loose platoon arrangement. Doing so might require parting with Nido, however, since he’s out of minor league option years. All three backstops would have to stay on the MLB roster or be cut loose, and that’s before considering the possibility of an Álvarez promotion. At some point next year, one of McCann or Nido seems likely to have changed uniforms.
Tacking on another $8MM brings the Mets projected 2023 payroll north of $343MM, per Roster Resource. The deal counts for $7.5MM against the luxury tax, since the player option is treated as guaranteed money when calculating its average annual value.
New York has already shattered the fourth and final tier of CBT penalization, subjecting them to a 90% tax on every additional dollar spent. The Narváez deal will cost them an extra $6.75MM in taxes, meaning the Mets are committing $14.75MM to secure his services for next year alone (in addition to the 2024 option). That’s likely a far higher price than any other club would’ve paid, but it’s the latest example owner Steve Cohen is unconcerned about spending when the front office presents him an opportunity to improve the roster.
Robert Murray of FanSided was first to report Narváez and the Mets were nearing agreement on a contract. Joel Sherman of the New York Post first reported it was a two-year guarantee with an opt-out after 2023. Jon Heyman of the New York Post was first to report the $15MM guarantee and financial breakdown.
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Mets trying to steal all the Yanks Rodon thunder!
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Rodon will make plenty of thunder still when his chubby ahh falls onto the IL.
DogDays2
for a week of rest when he’s 16-2
aragon
in 6 years!
davidk1979
Mets have Alvarez and McCann and Nido makes no sense
Joe Kerr
I assume a trade involving McCann is in the works already
Simm
You mean releasing him because nobody wants that contract.
jt33nym
Unless they swap for another bad contract
davidk1979
Or eat the contract
Chris G.
The Rangers actually want McCann to be deGrom’s personal catcher
Cohens_Wallet
Texas has “interest”
avenger65
He was Giolito’s personal cat her with the wsox and Giolito had arguably his best season yet.
Cohens_Wallet
@Simm
Can you believe they not only traded him but saved 6 million. Amazing ain’t it.
VonPurpleHayes
Or a huge trade involving Alvarez.
Ma4170
Von, could you imagine… monster trade with the top prospect in MLB. Unfortunately, it will prob just be McCann to the Rangers for a bag of balls
VonPurpleHayes
Right? I don’t think it will happen, but fun to ponder.
Simm
You mean McCann and a bag of cash.
Ma4170
What I don’t get at all is giving Narvaez $8M, which is essentially like $14M with the tax (??)
User 401527550
Not fun for Mets fans.
Bk11235 2
Imagine the worst contract you sign is a 30 yr old lefty swinging catcher. Must of been a darn good offseason with prident contracts if thats the worst.
flyingblindsquirrel
You say that like money matters
rct
Von, please don’t joke about that.
Cohens_Wallet
@Von
Seems like Alvarez is untouchable UNLESS Ohtani is available.
VonPurpleHayes
Yes. I was mostly kidding.
CleaverGreene
Nido to Texas is my guess.
put it in the books
McCann can barely foul a ball off
angt222
Probably means McCann is on his way out. Trade or release.
cleonswoboda
I think Kevin Parada might be the best out of all the catchers on their roster. still at least 3 years away,though.
padam
At least three years? He’s out of college, not high school. Considering he’s known for his bat, I’d give him two years.
Lyman Bostock
I’m guessing this must mean two things:
The Mets are tired of McCann.
The Mets view Álvarez as a DH only right now
VonPurpleHayes
Minor league catching depth I’d imagine.
User 401527550
For 8 mil?
VonPurpleHayes
Haha it makes no sense. Especially with the penalty. I don’t know. I’m spitballing. Probably a trade brewing.
User 401527550
It makes zero sense. Head scratcher for sure unless they trade Niddo and Mcann.
VonPurpleHayes
Yea. I posted the minors thing before the details of the contract were revealed.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Yea. It was a pretty silly comment either way.
VonPurpleHayes
Is it when a team has 4 major league catchers?
YourDreamGM
This guy was always getting a major league contract. This is a solid price for him. If you are going to spend 400 million you might as well spend 8 to get a good backstop. Guy can frame. Get max value out of that expensive rotation.
cadagan
Get max value out of rotation?
Then why would they not go after pina or one of the many consistent defense rated catchers?
Simm
For 8 to 15m I don’t think so
fearthecub
No way. Other teams wanted him, too. Mets are signing him to play.
Sunday Lasagna
McCann getting released or traded? Have to think Narvaez splits time with Nido and Alvarez is a 3rd catcher / DH
VonPurpleHayes
Or he helps out in the minors with Alvarez being up. I don’t know.
roiste
It’s a major league deal lol. Either McCann and Nido are both out, or they don’t see Alvarez as a true catcher
VonPurpleHayes
Yea. This move makes no sense in a vacuum.
R.D.
They see the braves get a new catcher and want their own
roiste
Not a Mets fan, and it seems fine. McCann sucks, and shouldn’t play for a contender. Nido has a great glove, but it plays better as a backup. Alvarez does not have a good defensive reputation, and it’s possible the team sees him more as a DH, and they have a lot of room on the roster there. Narvaez has been a top-10 catcher as recently as 2021, and can get back to being a true starter if his bat recovers even a little, so the fit isn’t too crazy
Sunday Lasagna
If starting Narvaez at catcher is an upgrade over McCann or Nido then it makes total sense. Any improvement is good. This whole “you have to double the salary for tax purposes” is a strange take, appropriate the total tax proportionately. If the Mets have a $400 M payroll and pay $100M in taxes, then Scherzer, Verlander and Lindor, making $120M are the cause of $30M of the tax. Narvaez at $8M is only causing $2M of the tax.
VonPurpleHayes
All this makes sense, but for the Mets, who are so far over the tax penalty that they have to double every contract, this move seems totally unnecessary.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
This.
Ma4170
So they’re paying $10m for a $4m catcher
Sunday Lasagna
Ottavino, Chafin, maybe Fulmer are next, probably another 25-30M on the payroll to round out the bullpen.
Huck 3
LOL … Thanks for the chuckle.
I know the Mets FO doesn’t care at all whether the Braves have Contreras and TDA or the new guy and TDA. That only matters to the Braves and their fans.
But this does leave us Mets fans wondering what our next move will be.
fre5hwind
Pirates have like 100000 catchers Von haha.
YourDreamGM
Should be traded. I would think a thrifty team would be interested in paying a few million of his salary.
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Halos?
YourDreamGM
Anyone who is looking for a cheap catcher. Pirates are in desperate need and would love to take advantage of a clearance sale or even pay full retail if the right prospects come with him. Would say rays but they seem to have a full 40 man. Astros.
ChrisMonte
Nido is better than McCann so this makes no sense unless McCann is gone
User 401527550
Or both of them.
Sunday Lasagna
Why not fire McCann, he hasn’t done his job. Just like Cano, Cohen is not going to be afraid to cut a guy loose just because he has a contract that needs to be paid
Samuel
WampumWalloper;
McCann will be a fine backup Catcher or one to split the Catching duties if he can get with another team.
He not a guy that should be catching 5-6 games a week. The Mets misused him, then the fans and media jumped on him.
The Cubs would be a nice landing spot with him sharing the duties with Yan Gomes. He handles pitchers well and that’s what they’re looking for in a Catcher.
Sunday Lasagna
Hi Samuel, good take and yes, seemingly good fit for the Cubs. I know many on here think these guys are worthless, but I think the Mets find trade partners for McCann, Ruf and Carrasco.
Samuel
WampumWalloper;
LOL
I hardly think that Carlos Carrasco is worthless, but front-running NYC fans will turn on a guy in a NY minute (Daddy brought a shiny new toy home, last years shiny new toy is made fun of and thrown in the garbage).
His salary is a bit high for a small market team – if it were lower the Rays, Brewers, Guardians, and Orioles would love to have him as a 3-5 in their starting rotations. I’m sure he’ll find a landing spot. Hope it’s with a contender.
Ma4170
Yes there will be takers for Carrasco for sure. His underlying numbers show his year could have been even better. He’s a solid 4 still.
YourDreamGM
Easy to find trade partners for all 3.
avenger65
I agree. But no to the cubs. I don’t want to see one of my favorite ex-sox players wearing a cubs uniform.
ChristianRocker
I think his price tag is too cheap for the Mets
NYMetsFanatic
This makes me think of John Astin as Gomez Addams: “A million and not a penny less!”
sfes
Weird, I used to want them to trade for him when he was on the M’s
kripes-brewers
He’s pretty solid and hit quite well in ‘21. He tapered off a bit in ‘22, but was still very decent. I thought the Crew was going to hang on to him to be honest. You can do a lot worse. He’s got some power and frames well.
D24
McCann can come back to Detroit on a platoon with Tigers and let Haase float around a bit to get his bat into the lineup.
Rsox
McCann or Nido trade forthcoming?
MorriesWigs
Have to think McCann. Possibly packaged with Carrasco
Armaments216
Nationals would be happy to offer Patrick Corbin.
Y2KAK
Jolly Olive to the Mets. This is awesome
EasternLeagueVeteran
Really? If so, More moves to come. Like current catcher on the move for bullpen help.
EasternLeagueVeteran
But probably packaged with some prospect, unless it is Nido on the move. Tomas is second year arbitration, free agent in 2025.
If it is McCann, maybe he goes with Carrasco to some team who could use a catcher and starting pitching, like the Twins. Maybe an outfielder comes back ( Larnach? Kirillofd ? ) Include another pitcher to the Twins to get them to take on salary, like Butto. Just my thoughts.
mgomrjsurf
Minnesota got Vasquez.
EasternLeagueVeteran
But they aren’t happy with Jeffries as backup. And you are probably right. Nido would make more sense. And sending Kepler and Maeda back would relieve the Twins from some salary stress.
EasternLeagueVeteran
Or the Orioles, who supposedly had been interested In trading for Carrasco. And need a backup for Rutschman
Samuel
EasternLeagueVeteran;
Possible.
Cyards suggested Austin Hedges.
EasternLeagueVeteran
Not a bad suggestion.
Cash Considerations
McCann for Ozuna straight up
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Nobody wants the Braves’ trash. The Mets are committed to building a roster of high character players, hence the many addition by subtraction moves the last two offseasons.
VonPurpleHayes
What are you talking about? High character players… What kind of bias nonsense is this?
VonPurpleHayes
Was Lindor “high character” enough when he was giving fans the finger? Was Marte a pillar of morals when he did steroids in 2017? No team in the league is full of high character guys. Take the blinders off. Mets are builfing talent, and a winning team. That’s all.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
I hope your day gets better Vin
VonPurpleHayes
Not trying to overreact, but I just don’t get the hypocritical comments like this. Mets have a great team and a fun owner, but acting like they have some moral high ground seems ridiculous. And that’s true if every team in baseball.
roiste
Red Sox could use a righty catcher and a starter. Seems like the kinda deal they’d make too.
I wouldn’t expect much value back from anyone unless the majority of McCann’s deal is paid down though
fred-3
Whatever his salary is, you have to double it for luxury tax purposes.
Samuel
fred-3;
Actually it’s 90%.
westcoastmetsfan
That is not the way to look at this, his salary isn’t doubled. The CBT penalties should be allocated across total salaries.
Fg-3
Wait it’s the secret formula… have as many catcher’s as you have starter’s.. still second fiddle to Yankees… keep signing more 49 year old pitchers. Heard Clemens is looking for a comeback
The Kaiser
So’s your payroll and your owner
EasternLeagueVeteran
FG-3: Heard your stud catcher Gary Sanchez is looking for a Yankee comeback. Cashman missed the boat when the Marlins wanted him and a prospect for JT Realmuto. Second fiddle to whomever the American League World Series team is. At least Realmuto got the Phillies to the Series.
vtadave
lol yeah
sny.tv/articles/three-reasons-why-yankees-shouldnt…
VonPurpleHayes
Can’t see McCann being dealt unless the Mets eat a decent portion of that contract.
MorriesWigs
Or a swap for another bad contract
User 401527550
I don’t know. The Rangers want him for Degrom.
VonPurpleHayes
deGrom just escaped McCann. Poor guy.
User 401527550
I think he really likes mcann catching him.
VonPurpleHayes
Oh weird. I assumed the opposite because there was a game where deGrom was shaking him off and getting really frustrated, but after a google search this seems like an isolated incident.
User 401527550
I had zero issue with McCann behind the plate. He just couldn’t hit anymore.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Or stay on the field.
jmaggio76
sure this wasn’t Bassit? I remember the game where he was clearly annoyed and frustrated
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Yes, Von is mistaken.
VonPurpleHayes
No. It was deGrom. July 1st 21.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
And what other games? One game is not a trend.
VonPurpleHayes
I just acknowledged that above.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Perhaps do your research first in the future to avoid looking silly.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Remember Kazmir for Zambrano? That one was Ruff.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s an incident that clearly happened. I even supplied the exact date. I never stated there was a pattern of behavior.
Milwaukee-2208
So happy he’s gone from Milwaukee.
Bob Sacamano 310
Why? He actually improved behind the plate after leaving my Sox
LFGMets (Metsin7)
McCann will be packaged with Carasco and a prospect, might have to eat money as well but you got to get these guys off the team, they arent winners
VonPurpleHayes
I can’t see a lot of teams giving up anything significant for that. Don’t get me wrong, Cookie is good, but he’s old and an injury risk. McCann’s contract is gross. Doesn’t seem like the Mets would get a fair return.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
The Mets would be lucky to get anything in return, will probably have to pay atleast half of McCann’s contract
Ma4170
Yeah, attaching McCann to Cookie takes his trade value away
User 401527550
That’s fine if it clears 26 m off the books.
Led Hoyer
Mccan is negative trade value and Carrasco probably pretty close.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Please show your work…
Ma4170
No, Carrasco has real value. Pitchers around his numbers or worse are getting deals of 3-4 years.
Led Hoyer
I’d say Carrasco is probably about even based on his salary, age and pitching ability. Hes probably not getting 15 a year in free agency. Baseball trade values has him -8.6. McCann probably should be making league minimum or out of the league based on his last two seasons. Baseball trade values has him as -16.9.
Ma4170
BBTV has an odd valuation then. I get he’s older and deals with nagging injuries, but it’s only one year and $14M. And last year he had 3.71 k/bb, 3.45 xFIP, 3.60 SIERA. You’re talking a top 40 SP in all of MLB with those numbers. Personally, I wouldn’t be trading him if I were the Mets.
Maclunkey
We’ll take McCann back on the south side if you take Grandal off our hands
GarryHarris
The Mets won’t trade for another catcher. They need a DH which the ChiSox has a roster full.
phenomenalajs
That doesn’t solve the logjam at catcher for the Mets. We’ll take Jimenez, LOL.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Who is Jimenez?
Huck 3
Too late. The Indian Guardians got him.
10centBeerNight
Low key solid move by NYM. Guessing McCann & Carrasco – maybe a prospect as well – dealt to address remaining needs. ATL still a notch above PHI & NYM to me, but assuming both teams not finished making tweaks and maybe even a big move
VonPurpleHayes
How is this a solid move in a vacuum? You have to double the cost because of luxury tax penalties. Without a trade this move is awful. With a trade, everything changes though and you may be right.
Monix
My guess is McCann will be gone. Alvarez will start the season in Syracuse unless he mashes all Spring Training. Narvaez and Nido will platoon to start the season.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Minix gets it. The Mets had zero catching depth last season. Now the position is a strength. The hate is hysterical.
davidk1979
Narvaez has a career .343 obp he just had an awful 2022 but was good before. Hope McCann is gone maybe Nido too.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
All the armchair GMs in here should relax. Hearing the Mets are far from done. And Alvarez isn’t going anywhere.
10centBeerNight
Some folks bringing up the penalty. Think there’s enough intel to suggest Cohen is really not that concerned with it, short term. But rather concerned with removing as many roster question marks as possible. Scherzer/Verlander are short term hi AAV. NYM upper minors is devoid of SP. 2024 Cano brutal contract is off the books.
YourDreamGM
Don’t get why anyone is concerned about the penalty. It’s his money, he can do whatever he wants. What use is it being a billionaire if you are going to worry about a measley 100 million. He also has a lot of tax advantage that helps. He isn’t losing as much as most people think.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
I guarantee you, he isn’t losing anything.
YourDreamGM
Well if you are guaranteeing it, must be 100% certain.
jim stem
Even bad catchers are in demand, which makes moving McCann probable. Lefty/ righty combo with Alvarez used as the righty dh and double switches late in the game. Having 3 catchers is a bonus. It also allows Alvarez to start the year in the minors with McCann going for a bullpen arm or single A prospect.
SgtGrumbles
How many teams really carry three catchers? Really feels like there has to be a follow up move to trade. It’s just the head scratching math of $8M for Navarro vs $10M for McCann. If James is traded Mets surely will need to pay most of it down IMO.
EasternLeagueVeteran
Everyone is forgetting D Ruf, the righty DH, the $3M cap hit, the extra emergency catcher in the roster ( if he saved his glove from earlier years ) That is the spot Alvarez would be taking
EasternLeagueVeteran
And Darren Ruf………
abc123baseball
Loved having Narvy with with Crew even if last year was rough. When he’s healthy he has a knack for shortening up and flaring it into left field.
bjhaas1977
Alveraz is going to stay in the minors and they are going to carry three catchers and hope McCann brings his price up to trade him. This move gives Francisco a Spanish speaking tutor to get through the next to years.
Ella B
Can’t see the Mets carrying 3 catchers, unless Alvarez is up as primarily as a rh dh. They won’t keep McCann, Nido and Narvaez, regardless.
VonPurpleHayes
They cannot carry 3 catchers without removing people from the 40-man roster. Hence why everyone assumes a trade is coming.
Samuel
Narváez defense improved because the Brewers have terrific coaches working with their Catchers.
Next they go to work with William Contreras.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
The best part about this post is how Anthony Franco hit the spacebar and re-saved the Rodon post just so it would appear above it. Rent free.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I think Narvaez is basically a good get. I was kinda hoping the Giants would sign him for around 5mil because he’s a lefty hitting catcher who’s good behind the dish. But 15mil? Jeez. The dude hit .176 and .206 in 2 of his past 3 seasons. That’s a steep sum for for that kind of offense (even though those are likely outlier seasons).
jvent
Great so now the Mets have 4 catchers lol
VonPurpleHayes
They’re also over 40 men on their 40 man roster, so someone needs to go.
Canosucks
Darrin Duff should be cut from the 40 man roster; one of the worst trades in Mets history. Guy is a useless washed up roster spot.
Can’t play the field either.
He can be picked up by some low pressure franchise but he can’t hit in the BIG CITY.
thickiedon
Thought for sure Narvaez would end up in Cleveland. Do they sign Perez now?
Redsoxx_62
They signed Zunino…
Samuel
thickiedon;
LOL
You’re a day late and a dollar short.
thickiedon
Yup…lol. After the comment, I went to look at who was still available and saw Zunino signed w CLE. Solid. Hoping Astros sign Perez to backup Maldonado
Chris G.
This is a solid move to help out with the development of Álvarez. Mets are investing heavily into making sure he pans out. Álvarez doesn’t speak much English yet and he’s from Venezuela like Narváez. He’ll be an excellent mentor for him. They’ve also moved Glenn Sherlock from bench coach to be a special catching instructor for Álvarez. That’s why they moved Chávez to bench coach and hired another hitting coach. Plus he’s a clear upgrade from McCann, who’s almost certainly on the move now.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
McCann and Marte/Canada as a salary dump to Texas? I know rumors are wild, but McCann is likely to be moved. Who know what else they have to throw in, though.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Marte a salary dump? Hahahahahahaha
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
*Canha
I was also saying Marte would be the one to entice teams to take on McCann’s contract, not that he would be part of the salary dump
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Time to wake up buddy. Not happening.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
Marte and Canha were some of the Mets best hitters last season, what are you on
Sideline Redwine
Hello? Tampa Bay??? You need a catcher!
Yankee Clipper
I am really surprised that he Narvaez lasted as long as he did on the market, but I didn’t realize his offense had regressed that far either. Still, not a bad option. I really thought Tampa was going to grab Murphy though.
Nervehammer
Cohen wants a WS win at all costs
wifflemeister
Mets=Stupid Money=3rd Place Division
Finish
dazedatnoon
Liam Hendriks for Francisco Alvarez+++
Mets can build a super pen
User 401527550
Good one. Now come back to reality.
Day1Mets
In Cohen We Trust. Stop mentioning money and the Mets. It literally doesn’t matter. $500 million is 3% of Cohen’s net worth, that’s 3 dollars for every $100 you have. In other words, an expensive dinner to common folks is what $500 million is to Cohen. Unreal. Love this move, McCann is gone, helps Alvarez also.
❤️ MuteButton
Wow, I am really impressed with how good the Mets are at overpaying for bad catching! I thought they did a great job over paying for McCann, now Navarez too! Impressive!
aragon
even exchange for max stassi.
10centBeerNight
Folks that doubt the sheer insanity/passion of the NYM fan base – “James McCann” is trending. Oh sure it’s the largest population center in USA. But not every town can get scrubs (all due respect) to trend just on speculation
tiredolddude
You’ve obviously never been to the Pirates Annual Dumpster Dive and Pierogi Race, sir
Sid Bream Speed Demon
The LOLMets are at it again. It’S oNlY mOnEy after all. I guess the only thing better than two crappy catchers is three crappy catchers? Maybe they will sign Austin Hedges next.
padam
As a Mets fan I’m not sure I understand this one.
GarryHarris
I would expect the Mets to go after defensive minded catchers. I’m not sure what the Mets are doing.
What does the Starting rotation look like?
Rishi
He’s been a good hitter in the past. An article on here proposed earlier today that Travis D’arnaud would be a non tender/buyout candidate in 2024 making 8m. Well, look what this guy just got and that seems pretty unlikely, if it didn’t already. Omar is a decent catcher but these contracts are so different now. Surprised they had to go to two years, unless they just wanted to.
JackStrawb
@Rishi It aims to just maybe, barely reduce the tax hit in 2024, but mostly to pickup the ROI on the $7m deferred until 2024. There’s also this:
Given the tendency of old catchers to deteriorate even further, he’ll probably be bad in 2023, he’ll then pick up his 7m player option, and the Mets will deal him, picking up most but not all of his salary since as a catcher whose defense has improved a lot he’ll be worth $1m to someone. They won’t get anyone of value for him, but if he’s a little better than bad they might have to pick up only 3m-5m of the 7m salary, saving several million dollars on the $15m total.
Best case? Narvaez finds the fountain of youth as a backup and 3rd catcher (meaning he’s not completely awful), he picks up the player option nonetheless given the chance he gets an offer better than 1/7m for 2024 is small, and with Alvarez as their starting catcher they can deal Nido for a little something given he won’t be a FA until 2025, and go with Narvaez as their second-stringer.
—It may also be that Max would rather pitch to someone other than McCann, and the FO presumably also solicited JV’s opinion along with Quintana’s and Carrasco’s. I have no info on this at all, but if an experience pitching staff doesn’t particularly like him, unless the guy is a stud he’s often gone, so this is an expensive swap of Narvaez for McCann, with some of the potential upside described above.
JackStrawb
There’s talk that Narvaez, like Alvarez a Venezuelan, will make a good mentor for the latter, but there are superb bilingual Spanish-speaking catching coaches who bring a lifetime of teaching the arts behind the plate for less than 1% of what Narvaez will be paid—in addition to the extensive FO, managing, coaching, and data guys already in place.
I’d rather have that professional on staff, the best in the business, focused full time on Alvarez for the comparative ‘pittance’ of $100k a year, 1/150th of what Narvaez ultimately receives.
Presumably there’s some upper bound to payroll, as well, so $15m to Narvaez is $15m not spent on an elite setup man (or two) or that didn’t go towards upgrading the rotation, especially the #3 slot, where the Mets weirdly preferred Sunday Pitcher Kodai Senga and now Narveaz by AAV (30m, total), to Rodon at 27m, presuming the latter was available for that amount.
And now there’s reliable talk of the Mets looking to deal Carrasco? They do know that Peterson, Megill, and Lucchesi combined haven’t been close to league average starters over their careers, with only one year (Lucchesi back in 2019, pre-TJS) you could reasonably call “adequate.”
There’s something approaching incoherence here. I doubt the FO even knows what it’s aiming for, something that crippled the 2022 club. Going all out to win the division on a team not built for it? We saw the result of that. Going all in on getting to the postseason then thriving over a 4-round postseason? This isn’t that team.
We’ll see, but to be this wobbly with more than $400m going to payroll for 2023 is a tribute to not really knowing what you’re doing since the end of October 2020.
dlw0906
You sure like to complain a lot about your “favorite” team Jack Strawb. Why don’t you go be GM for a team if you know so much about building a team.
You act this is a 3rd place team and not one that won 101. For the first time ever really this a team behaving and spending like a large-market team. Finally
This is a franchise that years ago traded The Franchise because they were too tight to pay him. Back then at the dawn of FA when there was a draft aside from a half-hearted attempt at Gary Matthews largely sat out FA until the ill-advised George Foster deal. Their frugal ways is largely why the 80s run didn’t continue (except for the anomoly of the 1992 spending spree).
The Mets were smart to sign Navarez. It was unexpected because they already had 3 backstops but it allowed them to dump McCann, add both better defense and some pop with the bat superior to banjo-hitting Tomas Nido (who is strong defensively). I’m not sure how a 110K translator would solve those problems. Most importantly they don’t need to rush Alvarez. They can work with him on his defense behind the dish, letting him develop at his own pace.
Be grateful instead of complaining and coming across as some M. Donald Grant disciple. You seem to want the Mets to operate more like Pirates and Reds. We finally have a ballsy owner who both cares and will do anything to put the best team possible on the field.
There are so many ways this challenging offseason could’ve went sideways several times-resulting in a team ill-equipped to challenge the Phils and Braves. Instead TPTB rose to the challenge and now we have a team potentially the best in MLB.
Yet here you are finding fault and complaining once again like you always do about why the Mets made the wrong moves and yours would’ve been better. Just give it up and enjoy the ride dude. I’ve been a fan nearly 50 years (I started this addiction young) and this is the most excited I’ve ever been about a Mets team. They have hitting to support the pitching in a way this team rarely does. This is a better hitting line-up than even the 80s Mets and probably their best ever eso. 1-6.
Your team wins 101 games and crushes it in the offseason-blowing up the hot stove-and instead of celebrating, being grateful still you complain. I don’t get it.
Cohens_Wallet
@dlw
Completely agree, I understand everyone else in baseball hating the Mets since it’s normal in sports to hate on the powerhouse teams. The grin on my face when fans of other teams hate on us is fun, but the very few Mets fans that do complain is a real head scratcher. It’s almost amnesia-like, we were a laughing stock just 2 years ago. Everyone has an opinion and thats what we’re all doing here on the forums but some of these takes are straight up weird.
I say we can all respectfully agree to disagree and enjoy the games.
Happy Holidays everyone
chemfinancing
classic crack mets!
FredMcGriff for the HOF
Is Omar really a improvement over McCann? I’m not drinking the koolaid.
Bill
So, the Mets announced this as a one year deal. What’s up with that?
Chris G.
The 2nd year is only a player option. I’m not sure why they worded it the way they did in this article.