Reds general manager Nick Krall has said that his team has at least looked into some trades that would involve the Reds and another club swapping young, controllable players. Providing further detail to Krall’s comments, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal hears from a rival executive that Cincinnati is looking to acquire a young outfielder in exchange for a younger shortstop prospect, and that the Reds “are aggressively pursuing” such deals.
Over the last year, the Reds turned into rebuild mode by trading multiple veteran players (i.e. Luis Castillo, Eugenio Suarez, Jesse Winker, Tyler Mahle, Wade Miley) in order to reduce payroll and restock the system with minor league talent. On paper, the early steps of this plan have worked quite nicely — back in August, Baseball America placed the Reds fifth in their rankings of each organization’s minor league talent depth. Both BA and MLB Pipeline have five Cincinnati prospects listed in their current top-100 rankings, with shortstop Elly De La Cruz sitting at the top of the pile. Pipeline has De La Cruz as the 14th-best prospect in the sport, with Baseball America placing De La Cruz 20th.
With De La Cruz as the crown jewel, the Reds already had a good amount of infield prospect depth even before their moves at this past summer’s trade deadline. Cincy landed Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo from the Mariners in the Castillo trade, and Spencer Steer and Christian Encarnacion-Strand were then acquired from the Twins as part of the Mahle deal. Marte and Arroyo both sit firmly within the top 100 rankings (Pipeline has Marte 17th, not far behind De La Cruz), while Steer already made his MLB last season and is likely headed for more regular playing time in 2023.
Steer is more of a second baseman or third baseman than a shortstop, and Encarnacion-Strand is more firmly a corner infielder. It also remains to be seen if Marte will necessarily remain at shortstop, or if De La Cruz might even be moved to a outfield role — as Rosenthal notes, the Reds have been experimenting with several of their young infielders at various positions around the diamond and on the grass to try and find playing time for everyone.
That said, while some of these prospects may eventually wind up in the outfield in the future, the Reds seem interested in simplifying the matter and dealing from their infield surplus to find some true outfielders. Adding to the intrigue is that many of Cincinnati’s prospects are knocking on the door for their MLB debuts, as De La Cruz, Encarnacion-Strand, and 2021 first-rounder Matt McLain could all get their first cup of coffee in the Show in 2023.
With high-caliber prospects to offer, the Reds can explore plenty of possible trade options around the league. In regards to their focus on outfielders, the Diamondbacks seem like a logical trade partner, and Cincinnati is naturally one of the many clubs interested in the group of Daulton Varsho, Jake McCarthy, Alek Thomas, Pavin Smith, and Dominic Fletcher. All of these players except Fletcher have already debuted in the majors, and since the D’Backs are prioritizing players who can help them immediately, Arizona might prefer a more established player rather than another up-and-comer from Cincy’s farm system.
It is probably safe to assume that whatever trades the Reds consider, their blue chip prospects are less likely to be on the move, and a burgeoning star like De La Cruz is virtually untouchable. A month away from his 21st birthday, De La Cruz has quickly gone from being an anonymous international signing to one of baseball’s top prospects over the last two seasons, and even a possible five-tool talent. Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer recently spoke with minor league players, coaches, broadcasters and scouts about De La Cruz, and the shortstop garnered rave reviews across the board. According to one AL scout, “He’s the most athletic player I’ve ever seen. I could throw out some legendary names of athletes, but I’d rather not because I don’t want to put extra pressure on a kid. But I’ve never seen anybody even close with his athleticism to be quite honest.”
Dbacks wont trade for prospects. they said it. maybe India they need mlb ready players.
I doubt India would be available. Spencer Steer might qualify though. He looked pretty good in his September call up. Good enough to say he is probably big league ready.
India would make sense. Aside from coming off a down year.
The reds are nowhere close to contention and he’s already at 2 years of service time.
It makes more sense to add to the next wave of prospects to come up with De La Cruz, Marte etc. than India.
I like India for McCarthy as the principal pieces of a deal. Helps both teams.
Going to have to disagree; already have a 2B in place and McCarthy is the much better overall player.
India is a legit superstar. No way they’re trading India for garbage prospects from the Dbacks.
Great Player, Sure! Superstar?? HELL NO!!
Definitely have to disagree with that… India is unanimously considered the better player. McCarthy had a really good season last year and I suppose if you assume he builds on that you can make a case for him being close. But in general thats not really the view on him whereas India has been considered a big time prospect for years.
I don’t know how India becomes a superstar. I think his ceiling is right around his rookie year production. Good player but not a rocket launcher.
He was ROY with a 3.9 bWAR. His final four months of 2021 was in AS territory. He was injured much of last year. I’d love to India traded to the RS.
Really jake is better than india? Where did u get this from?
Well, McCarthy had an above average batting line against RHP and LHP (116 wRC+ vs. 115 wRC+, with almost identical batting lines), acquitted himself decently in the COF in spite of limited experience (was at least in the realm of average defense in CF), has top 10 Sprint Speed in the sport (that he used effectively in every phase of baserunning), and accrued 2.3 fWAR in his Rookie season (in only 354 PA).
If you have a preference for India, great; I personally view a player capable of a similar statline but with extra baserunning and defensive value as a superior player, though (especially when they have an extra year of team control).
He might not be a superstar in the literal sense of the word. But for the moment he is the face of the Reds franchise. Votto is nearing the end, Castillo and Mahle were dealt and Senzel didn’t work out as planned and the young starters are just not far enough along. The Reds would be fools to sell low on him after a below average, injury filled season.
Jeff Zanghi
Yes he was a higher regarded prospect, but you know as well as I do that prospect prognostication is an inexact science.
In regards to the India being considered a concensus big time prospect, yes that’s true; however, McCarthy was drafted before the second round and the scouting notes were always that he had higher upside if a swing change were implemented (which is what happened when he was sent down by the DBacks earlier in the season). It’s not like McCarthy has zero pedigree and popped up completely out of nowhere.
India wasn’t even an average defensive 2B in his rookie season and has never used his speed well; I’m willing to give him a little slack since he’s relatively new to the position and there are numerous dissimilarities between 3B and 2B (and he dealt with numerous injuries), but if you’re giving that slack to India it also has to be extended to McCarthy in regards to CF and COF (he played more of either COF position than he had in the entirety of his MiLB career).
You can say I’m assuming he’ll build on his season (which we all do to some extent for players entering/in their physical primes), but I have more faith in a competent CF figuring out how to use their range in the COF than a competent 3B figuring out how to translate their skills to 2B (in a world where shifts are banned). Players also generally get more comfortable with a swing the more it’s used.
India did accrue 3.9 bWAR (3.0 fWAR) in 631 PA in his rookie season. That is absolutely an above average player. But you’re also ignoring McCarthy accruing 2.4 bWAR (2.3 fWAR) in his rookie season as well… in 354 PA. That’s an even more above average player, one that can actually field CF competently with elite speed/baserunning.
Maybe India has the better bat if he is completely healthy (I don’t wish injuries on any player), but McCarthy can be in spitting range of his offensive with vastly superior speed/defense. I stand by assertion that McCarthy is the better OVERALL player.
LOL, spoken like a true Red fan. IMO he is above average player with more potential. He is still young, he needs to be healthy for a year and polish up his defense skills. Reds fans love him and would be a PR nightmare (as if the Reds did not have enough of those) to trade him.
A players ceiling is his age 23 season ? Who we talkin bout ? Kerry wood ??
Bobby Crosby? Kyle Lewis?
I’ve seen plenty of ROY never repeat what they did initially. That’s not to say India can’t be a good player—I just don’t believe you’re looking at a future superstar.
Was rookie of the year, can bat lead off, has power, clubhouse leader, Reds won’t trade this centerpiece
Dbacks44
Slight revision to your statement: Hazen said he would not trade Carroll (at all), Varsho, Thomas or McCarthy for prospects..
He might however trade Dominic Fletcher, Pavin Smith or others for prospects. But Dbacks already have SS Jordan Lawler who is less than two years away, so Hazen is probably not interested in another SS, but might be interested in one of the Reds prospects who could transition to 3b?
Reds should trade India to LA. Dodgers move Lux to SS full time and play India at 2B. Might be able to get a decent SP prospect in return or maybe an OF with pop.
First off love your screen name! Reds can’t trade India as he is a fan favorite and great upside and Reds fans have precious little to be happy about these days. Maybe India and Moustakas for Pages. Dodgers could find the money to pay Moustakas’s contract under their cushion seats in their clubhouse. That’s only IF and that’s a big IF Reds used that money to lock in some of their rising young talent and add a decent RP or two.
How do you say you made a mistake not trading for Jasson Dominguez in a package for Luis Castillo last season, without saying so? The Martian was the player for Cincy to get. The Reds will strongly regret this in the long run. Dominguez, Sweeney, and the lefty the A’s got for Frankie Montas was the way to go. Smh
*Ken Waldichuk.
Nice to see the Reds building an elite farm at least. Sooner or later those guys will make an impact with them.
Reds need to move Joey Votto. The rebuild won’t start until they do. Loved Joey in his prime, however we ain’t ever gonna see that guy again. Dead money right now.
This is the last year on Votto’s contract he won’t be going anywhere
They need to move Moose more but that isn’t happening either.
Votto has a full no trade clause. They cannot trade him unless he waives it and he has said many times that he will not do that. He was already working the broadcast booth in Cincy last season while he was hurt preparing for his post-playing career. He is not leaving Cincy.
That’s definitely not going to happen. This is his last year and has been a career long Red. He deserves and fans would demand he get a grand send off. Reds need something to hang their 2023 hats on. Second, he has a no trade clause. If he did not use it during the many bad years the Reds had while he was there he surely will not use it now.
No trade clause
@Mario93- yes an elite farm system of all above average shortstops, that’s great! They faltered last season not getting the Martian in a package with the Yankees for Castillo. Smh
Apparently Yankees fans haven’t gotten over not getting Castillo yet lol.
That’s all right, I didn’t care for the revenue disparity in baseball which made the Reds have to trade him to begin with.
No, not getting Dominguez will not haunt the Reds at all. Maybe if Cashman hadn’t talked down to Krall like he owned him, a deal might have gotten done, but it’s not the end of the world. Krall wouldn’t even take a call from Cash for the last two weeks leading up to the deadline. From everything I’ve read about Dominguez, he’s overhyped like most Yankee prospects are anyway..
3 … 2 … 1 … before the Reds get their pocket picked.
Hahahaha Nice Monroe
Kelenic or Trammel to Cincy to bring Marte back to Seattle, put him at short move JP over to second next season.
Lol Cincy would’ve asked for those guys instead of Marte in the first place.
Trammell’s value is a 4th OF btw. Anymore than that—you’re just setting up for disappointment.
No they wouldn’t of. Marte is elite talent. Trammel going back to Cincinnati or Kelenic makes sense for a even swap for Senzel. Seattle is looking for a RH outfield bat.
I don’t think you really understood what I said.
But Senzel is dirty toilet water. He won’t bring anything back.
You are delusional why would they give Marte for two busts
You are delusional why would they give Marte for two bust
SanAntonioM’s;
Kelenic and Trammel were big name prospects that have pretty much turned into 4th OF’s at best.
Marte is extremely well regarded, and the Reds will probably want to see what he develops into. At present he’s learning 3B.
Doesn’t make sense for them to trade a prospect that has a chance to be an upper level player for one that has proven that they’ll never be one.
Kelenic is 23. I bet he figures it out and turns into a real ball player.
Trammell is a 4th OF’er.
I know it will never happen, just starting a conversation. I can dream
To be fair, Taylor Trammell is a plus outfield defender who is projected to post a wRC+ of 101 next year while infielder Spencer Steer, who is only three months younger than Trammell, is projected to post a wRC+ of 103.
Steer has six years of team control and Trammell only five so Seattle could throw in its competitive balance pick, the 30th overall selection in the June 2023 draft.
The Mariners reportedly are seeking a righthand-hitting outfielder who can play the infield corners so Steer might not be a good fit.
Seattle should just sign FA, AJ Pollock. Nota super star, but a very reliable hitter/fielder.
Muskie that fangraphs projection is based on 4th OF playing time.
Trammel’s hit tool is not there at this point for a starting outfielder in the major leagues. & quite frankly has always been the question with him.
Roster Resource lists Spencer Steer and Taylor Trammell as a bench players:
fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/reds
fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/mariner…
Oh, I think Trammell for Steer is a fair trade from a value perspective. Cincy let TT go—I’m not sure they’re very high on him but that makes some sense value wise.
lol This was my first thought also, Jerry loves pulling the ol’ Mike Ford/Mallex Smith.
Why would Seattle want a prospect at short when they are basically all in to win next season?
I mean the Astros did pretty well with their SS prospect this past season. They are doing the same in LF and they have no DH so far. If they were all in they would go out and trade for guys like Reynolds, they do have 4 picks in the top 100 this draft coming up
The Astros had a much better team surrounding their prospect SS. And even then, Pena really wasn’t THAT good until the postseason. The Mariners are not as good a team outside the SS position.
3.4 fWAR SS. I mean he was very good all year. To expect and rookie SS to step in and do that is foolish
I didn’t say he was bad, but he was probably not even in the upper half of starting shortstops in the league. By my (admittedly) rudimentary calculations, he was 16th best. Not bad at all, but probably not what you would expect from arguably the top team in the league.
This what’s so funny about the “elite” free agent SS’s both this year and last…..
Those guys are getting outrageous amounts of money on long-term contracts.
Meanwhile many teams have multiple quality SS prospects either in the minors or breaking into the majors. In addition to the Reds, add the Yankees, Guardians, Red Sox, Orioles, and others.
When the FA SS’s of 2021-22 are half way through their contracts, somewhere around age 33-34 and regressing while being paid the big bucks, there will be a glut of quality SS’s in MLB that will play better for far less money. Of course not all prospects will make it, but enough will.
Desperation never works.
I’m not going to assume you overlooked it, but you mentioned nothing of the acquisition cost in terms of prospect capital to get one of those young shortstops. Opposing GMs don’t part with those types of players easily, especially since shortstops are typically athletic enough to play anywhere on the diamond besides behind the plate.
The free agent shortstops that can swing the lumber are well worth the money, even if you have to move them off shortstop eventually. Paying the freight for a free agent isn’t always bad, it just depends on who you’re signing and where you are in your competitive window.
As a Phillies fan, I’m thrilled with Trea Turner. Phillies had no choice but to spend money on FA since their farm system was so bad. The owner, who I refer to Cigar Guy (Made a few billion in the cigar biz.), opened up his wallet the past few years and added: Wheeler, Casteallnos, Schwarber, T. Turner, T. Walker, Realmuto (re-signed), Didi and a bunch of relievers, most of whom have not panned out all that well.
Lucky you being a Philly fan. Our owners big expense was buying a box of cigars from Cigar Guy last year, that and spending 10M for one year of a washed up SP.
Adell for De la Cruz
Gleyber and Devi for Cruz.
The Yankees already have two top SS prospects.
They should definitely pass then.
Yeah it’s not like they are the Padres or something.
De La Cruz isn’t going anywhere. Probably more like McLain gets traded if anyone.
I have to say I have been saying this all along, BTW. Too many middle infielders, can’t play them all so trade for outfield prospects which you don’t really have.
If someone takes Senzel, I’d do it in a minute.
Child, please.
You need to change your user name to Ocho Cinco.
Top prospect in Baseball for Adell who can’t crack it in triple A or Gleybar who is a below average MLB player and Devi who had a 4+ era in Double A and can never stay healthy. Y’all either or joking or seriously delusional
Pass that thing around, we all want that buzz… ain’t happenin…
If you are looking for top tier OF prospects, don’t you have to include the Brewers or Nats as possible trade candidates?
Brewers:
Frelick
Ruiz
Mitchell
Chourio
The Brewers have a young SS in Turang, but they could also use another middle infielder to replace Adames.
Nats:
Hassell
Wood
Green
The Nats just need more talent, and might not want to unsettle CJ Abrams, but these are 3 top OF prospect talents.
Brewers trade Joey Wiemer to the Reds for Matt McClain.
Who says no?
Probably Milwaukee.
I like Wiemer better than McClain but that is a very reasonable offer.
Brewers in a heartbeat
Plenty reasonable. If I’m the Brewers I’d probably be happy to take that deal. Trade from a surplus to gain in a place of weakness. Then you can start this season with Adames in place and see how things play out; if you’re out of it by the deadline you can move Adames knowing you have a replacement coming down the pipe.
I don’t think the Reds have traded with the Brewers since they were an Al team. Probably because they stuck them with the immortal John Vukovich whose lousy hitting caused them to move Pete Rose to third base back in 1975. But that George Foster guy who replaced him in left field turned out to be pretty good.
Reds sent Jonathan Broxton to the Brewers in 2014. I also feel like there was at least one more recent than that, but the Broxton deal is the one that came to mind.
Forgot about Broxton deal. Liked that dude. Good catch!
I don’t know if they would trade with the Cubs but the Cubs are loaded with outfield prospects. They are a match for each other’s long term needs but it would suck to have a top prospect haunt you for 6 years or more.
Cubs don’t need more MI prospects … Already have a glut. Made, Howard, Hernandez, Preciado
Some quantity there, but not much quality – Hernandez is #6 in the Cubs system per MLB.com but not due until 2025, while Made (#17) and Howard (#20) are nothing special and Preciado doesn’t even crack the top 30.
Too bad Jo Adell is no longer a prospect.
Sliding Steer to second base for the next six years would be nice.
Hahaha HHJJ, Shhhhhhh!!!!! Don’t let that get out!! We can still off load the guy!!
Adell needs out of Anaheim in the worst way. A team like the Rays could probably turn him into an All Star. Brandon Marsh seems to have really turned a corner with the Phillies after being traded and no reason to think Adell couldn’t either
Have you seen Jo Adell play much? Turn him into an “All Star?” We aren’t talking about the same person. He isn’t in the minors anymore. Marsh was always better than Adell and was fine while in Anaheim.
Marsh is a strict platoon player in Philly so obviously his offensive numbers are a little better. He still strikes out just as often. He hasnt ‘turned the corner’.
angels did not properly coach either outfielders. they were thrown out to the sharks when they were out of it. and just about every hitter was hitting for the fences just as they were doing. adell more so. naturally k’s shot up.
Agree about Marsh. And many of those Ks came on fastballs. Tough to “turn the corner” in terms of hitting when all MLB pitchers have to do to get you out in throw heat.
But, hey, he was an upgrade over Odubel Herrera. Unfortunately, that bar was set pretty low.
Finally, would like to see Marsh shave off that ugly beard. Looks more like an extra in Duck Dynasty.
they were thrown out to the sharks when they were out of it.
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I said that about Adell over two years ago when they promoted him. He had a 43/10 K/W with -0- HRs in the PCL, in 121 ABs. In the PCL, it is almost impossible to be that bad.
Angel fans disagreed vehemently, but his results with the Angles (3 Hrs, and a 55/7 K/W) was entirely predictable.
yeah, i totaly agree with you two. it is sad how they treat their own players.
This is why Cashman is asleep at the switch.
They didn’t want Volpe or Peraza if they are loaded with SS. Any scout could have seen that.
Castillo for Dunham & Periera plus a young arm like Waldichuk could have helped.
Not even close to what Red’s got with Marte!
Not sure about the particular players but I was shocked when Yankees did not pony up enough to get Castillo. Not sure but think maybe, just maybe he would have helped during the playoffs. :-). They could have easily signed him for what Seattle extended him for and they would at least had a solid #2 SP for the next two/three years. Doubt George Steinbrenner would have passed on Castillo. For Yankees back in their heyday it was about winning the WS this year and future, well that was the future.
saying De La Cruz is a phenominal athlete moreso than anybody he’s saw in MLB – how about Ricky Henderson? If he runs like Ricky he’ll be pretty good.
28HRs, 47SBs, he does run like Ricky
More like “he runs like Rickey in his mid-late 30s.”
Rickey was stealing like 75-100 (or more) almost every year in his 20s.
No one steals that many bases anymore. Almost 50 in this era is phenomenal.
de la Cruz is also 6’5” — he’s a freak at his height for MLB. Two things can be true at once.. Ricky was the best base stealer of all time, and de la Cruz is still a freak athlete.
Let’s bring up the greatest leadoff hotter of all-time. Rolls eyes. Maybe bring up the greatest athlete in Red’s history first. Lol.
If he has a career like Eric the Red, I’d be happy!
Reds don’t wanna Senzel any of those infield prospects. Transitioning from IF to OF ain’t always a walk in the park.
The only reason I find this note on the AZ OFs particularly interesting, is (I believe) that this is the first time we’ve seen Dominic Fletcher’s name mentioned among the others.
Another funny note is that Hazen originally drafted McLain (with the compensation pick for not signing him contributing to the massive 2019 class where the DBacks picked Carroll, Walston, Jameson, Nelson, Henry, and Fletcher within the first two rounds lol), but I highly doubt he is on the table.
It seems a bit odd to be looking at India/Steer with Marte/Rivera in place, though…
Dbacks might be interested in one of the Reds SS IF they can successfully transition to 3b.. The Dbacks have SS Jordan Lawler, so don’t need a SS but could use a top 3b.
However, as Dbacks44 wrote above, Hazen has said he will Not trade any of his top 4 OF (Carroll, Varsho, Thomas or McCarthy) for prospects, Hazen might trade Dominic Fletcher, Pavin Smith, or others for one of Cincinnati’s SS/3b.
Pavin is also the backup at 1b, so the most logical trade candidate for a prospect is Fletcher.
I’m aware of how the team values them, but the only apparently viable candidates on the Reds’ 40-man are those two I listed.
India hasn’t played 3B in years (I doubt he’s the target anyways) and Steer is going to be bat-first. It’s just curious either would be the target after dealing Weaver for Rivera.
Sorry, thought you replied to me in my grog
With Encarnacion-Strand around, Steer might be available. Marte probably will end up at third also, I’ve heard and Encarnacion-Strand replacing Votto when he retires, probably after this season.
Jose berrera for alek Thomas
No
Jose Barrero might get you a slightly used Frank Thomas baseball card (a late career card, not a rookie card as that has more value and would be silly)…
Would do that in a minute if they would take it, which they probably wouldn’t. But two guys who are not living up to expectations traded for each other kind of makes sense.
Both played well in upper minors were top 100 prospects both have solid gloves and both working their way down their teams depth charts because they didn’t hit the ground running.
It isn’t going to be India marte or Cruz.
Marte I believe they’ve already moved to 3b. Cruz they’ll leave at ss till he proves he can’t play it. Similar to Xander bogaerts
India is pretty much all they have left on major league roster that fans are excited about.
At best Barrera is a place holder but this time last year he was the future.
Sounds like a solution in need of a problem TBH.
Exactly. The Reds would be much better off holding what they have and hoping enough of their prospects develop to create an actual surplus of MLB infield talent. At which point maybe then they can deal from depth. In the meantime take a flier on a FA rebound candidate or two for the OF.
I’ll give you James Outman for Marte
Find mental help if you think this is realistic. You want Marte you giving Vargas and Pages to start
Thank you cr4! Already on it!
Wrong Edwin Arroyo linked in the article.
Could this be a sign that they’re going to sign Correa or Swanson?
I think so….
Both would be nice additions, but c’mon man, you know the Reds aren’t gonna spend the cheese for either one.
They ain’t got the cheese.
Maybe India and Moustakas for Pages. Dodgers could find the money to pay Moustakas’s contract under their cushion seats in their clubhouse. That’s only IF and that’s a big IF Reds used that money to lock in some of their rising young talent and add a decent RP or two.
move Marte to left, Arroyo at 3B, De La Cruz at SS, McLain at 2B, Allen II in CF, Encarnacion – Strand / Steer at 1B/DH, and trade India for a RF or a SP
Perhaps the Reds should try the Marlins. The Marlins have lots of Outfielders; Jesus Sanchez/Bryan De La Cruz/JJ Bleday/Peyton Burdick/Jerar Encarnacion/Griffin Conine/Victor Mesa Jr./Victor Victor Mesa/Troy Johnston/Osiris Johnson
Those guys are all rubbish.
Yet still an upgrade over the Reds current OF options
Adell would make sense. He might benefit from a move to another place (to cinci would be close to home for him). As much as I want him to pan out, might be for the best.
Adell for McClain and a bullpen arm?
Adell might get you a bullpen arm. Not a high leverage one. You can forget about McClain.
Sean Maneaa??? you guys lagging
Cardinals get Jonathan India.
D-Backs get SS Maisyn Winn (Stl #2 prospect)
Reds get Alek Thomas (or McCarthy) from Az and Alec Burleson (Stl.#5 prospect)
Cards nail down their middle infield with a player one year removed from ROY (with Gorman competing with Yepez for DH spot or used as trade bait for pitching)
Arizona gets a top shelf SS prospect maybe a year away
Reds get two major league ready outfielders.
DBacks aren’t looking for a year away
Reds will never trade India to STL.
India to the White Sox for Oscar Colas and another piece makes sense. Marte comes up and takes the reigns at second eventually. Meanwhile Chicago fills their black hole at second base. I’m not a fan of either team. It just seems like an interesting swap.
Sean Maneaa?? yo hire me!¡
HEY MLBTR STAFF
Please take this post down, I’ve been told countless times it is impossible to trade prospects for prospects.
If it’s written on a forum on the internet it is obviously fact.
Here’s a trade that will really make your heads explode. Prospects for Prospects
Carroll / Jones for Moreno / Orelis.
Our top 2 position Prospects for AZ top 2 position Prospects.
We need OF Prospects and MLB ready OF. We already know you need a stud C, and apparently from this Article you’re also looking for a stud Shortstop
Tell me thats not a fantastic trade. A stud SS and stud C for 2 Stud OF Prospects. Filling needs for both teams.
How many times do you see prospects for prospects trades? They just hardly ever happen. And won’t happen this time either and that’s a fact.
What’s fantastic about it. The jays give up 62 value in the trade and the dbacks give up 123 lmao. In other words it’s not even close. Moreno and Martinez together don’t get you Carroll. There’s probably a reason why people tell you prospects for prospects trades don’t happen.
iverbure
I tried to explain to them how teams value players before; I wouldn’t waste your time explaining the lack of logic in that proposal.
They’re content to voice their opinion with no research because it’s fun; wouldn’t want to ruin their fun, now would we?
You clearly either don’t understand value or are selectively reading words that you think are interesting.
Either way, make sure to change your pants when you wake up.
Those numbers come from baseball trade values by the way I’m using.
Gotta love the people who just pretend to know the value of all players. Even if you think BTV isn’t completely accurate it’s certainly more accurate than some rando on this forum who throws out preposterous trade proposals that aren’t even close.
Should be a reality Tv show. Live look at gms when people throw these out just so people get made fun of. It would be great Tv.
iverbure
Forgot to label that I was addressing JaysFan, we’re in agreement on that being a deal comparable to the Billy Madison decathlon scene.
Lol look at quality of humans in this post
Wow, getting salty and butt hurt because you can’t convince someone to think along with you. Obviously we should all bow down or get on our knees for you both
Good luck Gentlemen. It’s obvious you guys need it
Nobody wants you to think along with them; just that you think at all before shouting your opinion.
All the resources we’re using to have a basis in reality for our takes are a mouse click away; it’s telling that you can’t even be bothered to exert that much effort.
You need that luck more than I; maybe you’ll stumble into some reading comprehension 😉
You can’t get enough pitching, catching and middle infielders. IFs usually can play anywhere. The OF needs to be very good to trade an IF for. Does this mean Cincinnati IF prospects are weak hitters or poor defenders?
Barrero has proven he can’t hit. The rest are still prospects or suspects, depending on how you look at it. Either way, they have not proven anything in MLB.
You folks thinking India will be traded are deluding yourselves.
De La Cruz is a ball player. Chaim Bloom should package some of his many can’t-miss-prospects and get a deal done. Then, in five years or so, if Bloom is still around, he can low-ball De La Cruz and watch him leave, for nothing, in free agency. No, that would never happen, nobody would be that foolish.
The Twins and Reds match up pretty well which is amusing given their recent trade history together. Twins have a bit of a glut developing with OF prospects with Kiriloff, Larnach, Wallner along with Celestino. If they Twins miss out on Correa or Swanson, could see something like Larnach for Steer.
How often do you see teams trade a prospect away and re-acquire them months later?
Why would the reds want to give up Steer for a bum inconsistent outfielder like Larnach
Unfortunately as a Reds fan I accept that this article and comments section will be the most exciting part of the Reds offseason.
This is the worst comment section in MLBTR history too. Fitting for reds fans expectations
“… the shortstop garnered rave reviews …”
But is his defense as good as the Rave Reviews for Pete O’Brien?
Alec burelson for marte? Maybe cards throw in another pretty good prospect for diaz too? I know it’s intra divisional but with equal amount of games against everyone next year it becomes less a sticking point I think.
Sorry, I haven’t stopped laughing yet to make this longer but heck no, are you kidding?
Top 10 prospect for a low ceiling outfielder as a reds fan our front office can be dumb but are not that stupid
In the infamous words of Dean Wormer, “stoned and stupid is no way to go through life son”… you think you’re getting Diaz…lol
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De La Cruz is a ball player. Chaim Bloom should package some of his many can’t-miss-prospects and get a deal done.
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So you’re suggesting that we trade for a SS prospect, even though our best prospect is a SS?
And we have more SS prospects than Carter has peanuts.
Angels get: de la Cruz
Reds get: a package of Moniak and Jose Suarez
Or Adell plus unranked minor league player and money consideration.
LMFAO
DocBB
Isn’t it funny when fanbases essentially say, “We value your Top Prospects and MLB contributors so much that we’re willing to offer our roster filler and prospects that can’t break through.”?
Hey Edison. Strictly from the Trade Simulator website for a trade with Angeles.
Moniak is valued at 0.
Suarez at 12.8.
Adel is valued at 1.9
De La Cruz is valued at 56.3.
I can not find anyone on the roster that would fit what the Reds would need to trade such a prospect. In one article from Fan Nation Angeles rank last in AAA rankings.
You want Elly it’s gonna cost Trout or Ohtani nobody is going to trade the top prospect in all of the MLB for a triple A outfielder and an average reliever and a 4th outfielder with strikeout problems like Adell
I haven’t laughed that hard in years!
Move de la Cruz to center and india to left field and marte to 3rd. Let McLain and arroyo battle it out for short. And the looser can battle steer for 2nd base. Strand at first til collier is up and if strand can hold his position- move collier to RF.
Don’t need to trade anyone. Just develop your prospects
That’s really close to what I’ve been thinking. I see it this way, EDLC at CF, move Indy to 3rd to save his legs (they took a beating last year), McClain to SS, Steer to 2nd and deal Marte for an equally valuable OFer.. Arroyo is still 2-3 years away…
Reds haven’t had a formidable ss since Barry Larkin yet want to trade away high end ss prospects. Classic Reds management !!
Most ss are as valuable as they are because they play ss.
Start moving good hitting ss to lf and you turn them into average or worse hitting lf.
If they have a weak glove and great bat sure that is the play but if a good part of their value comes from glove it is stupid to move them off position. Better to maximize value and get someone that has similar value at the position you need.
The reds have plenty of middle if prospects that they can deal outside the top three to five of them and still get a solid return.
India’s bat wouldn’t work in LF .? Lol ok.
And Wouldn’t you believe in the prospects you drafted or traded for ??
Sounds like the org may be taking a step back converting IF into OF. Billy Hamilton comes up a SS and becomes an elite CF defender. So they switch him from a RH hitter with a long swing to a bad, jabbing SH who stays around .200. Makes sense. Then they do the same thing to Senzel. Make a 3B/2B into a CF and change his swing. Now he’s trying to find his way back at the plate while still having to play an unnatural position that has led to many injuries. Brilliant.
India is 3B playing 2B. Whatever. They will seek out a way to mess things up.
Senzel had injury history including vertigo while still playing third base. Just saying.
Not everyone is the athlete that Eric Davis or Billy Hamilton is and can make that switch. While Senzel is pretty athletic when healthy, he does not have the instincts to play CF well, it is pretty obvious. His lack of good judgment out there has led to many good looking plays due to athleticism but also many ugly plays. At any rate, as Marvin Lewis used to say, “you can’t make the club in the tub.”
For them to land a solid outfielder with really good upside, they’re going to have to part with someone pretty significant. I’d about guess that either Marte or Edwin Arroyo will be on the move again.