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Pirates Have Continued Interest In Extending Bryan Reynolds

By Anthony Franco | March 24, 2023 at 9:14pm CDT

The Pirates are making a renewed effort to work out a long-term deal with Bryan Reynolds, reports Jon Heyman of the New York Post (Twitter link). According to Heyman, the club would prefer to have an agreement in place by Opening Day, though it’s unclear how likely that is.

Reynolds addressed the situation briefly this afternoon, saying there wasn’t any major development on the extension front (via Justice delos Santos of MLB.com). The two-time All-Star indicated he shares a desire to not have talks linger into the regular season.

Whether the Pirates would extend or trade Reynolds has been a question for quite some time. He’s come up in offseason and deadline trade rumors for over a year. Pittsburgh has held firm on a huge ask in discussions with other teams but hasn’t seemed to make much progress about keeping him past their allotted window of arbitration control, which runs through 2025. There appeared to be a tipping point in early December. Extension discussions stalled and Reynolds requested a trade around the Winter Meetings.

Pittsburgh brass reiterated they weren’t planning to lower their trade price in response to Reynolds’ wish to move. They ended up him holding him throughout the offseason — without any public indication they came particularly close to a deal — and the switch-hitting outfielder walked things back as camp approached. In mid-February, he told reporters he was still open to extension talks, saying he’d “been pretty open the past few years that (his) No. 1 choice would be to sign an extension in Pittsburgh.”

While it doesn’t seem there’s been any substantive movement, Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports the sides’ relationship has generally improved over the past couple months. Mackey suggests there’s at least some optimism among those involved that a deal could come together, though it’ll obviously depend on the extent to which the parties budge on financials.

Previous reports have suggested the Pirates offered a six-year deal that’d guarantee somewhere in the $75-80MM range. Meanwhile, Mackey writes that Reynolds’ camp had sought an eight-year deal worth $134MM. That leaves a gap in the $50-60MM vicinity to bridge. A six-year deal would run through Reynolds’ age-33 season, assuming it overwrote the $6.75MM salary he’s presently set to receive. An eight-year pact would take him through age 35.

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  1. Dorothy_Mantooth

    2 years ago

    With the mega-extensions being signed all over the league, 8/$134M sounds quite reasonable to me. Pittsburgh should lock him up now if that’s all he’s asking for. That’s under $17M/yr. for a great bat and what probably could be an above average corner OF.

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    • hiflew

      2 years ago

      That is my thought as well. If that is all he is going to cost, I would love for the Rockies to trade a couple of their big prospects for him

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    • cwalla24

      2 years ago

      If he’s looking to get a shot at a second contract after this, I think 6/$115 or 4/$90 could be fair for both sides.

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      • YourDreamGM

        2 years ago

        Other teams bad contracts are irrelevant to what a smart ran team should do. 4 90 is awful. That is paying him 55 m for a single year. They already have him 3 35ish 6 115 isn’t good either.

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    • ElGaupo77

      2 years ago

      They control him for this year and two more… and he’s already 28. Keep him this year and trade him next offseason. Dylan crews might be ready to replace him by opening day the way he’s hitting.

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    • ElGaupo77

      2 years ago

      Are you talking about the injured Brandon demo?

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    • ElGaupo77

      2 years ago

      This

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    • LordD99

      2 years ago

      It does, but the 8/134 request was before we had the recent run-up in contracts. I wonder if his asking price is higher now?

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    • jorge78

      2 years ago

      They should give him one more year and see if he can do better with the new “dead ball” the MLB brass is promoting. Every team using humidors doesn’t help. I say bring back steroids and let all players use them. The game was a lot more exciting then. I’d like a moon shot home run to actually land on the moon!

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    • miltpappas

      2 years ago

      The way Reynolds is talking/acting, he seems to be expecting Machado money.

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    • Jobba11

      2 years ago

      Why lock him up ? This team is not ready to compete , would it not be better to get younger assets for when the team is ready ?

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      • YourDreamGM

        2 years ago

        What he is asking for or expecting does not matter. He never had any leverage to begin with and then actually gave the team more. He doesn’t want to wait to hit free agency. I don’t blame him but he should have never shown his hand. If any player wants an extension they should never hire Reynolds agents.

        They would have been better off trading him but no team wanted wants to give enough for him. Pirates wanting a “Soto return” is an exaggeration and a reasonable starting point. Reynolds had more team control, cheaper, can run and play outfield and wasn’t demanding over half a billion for an extension. Soto return had a few highly overrated pieces imo. I would keep trying to trade him or just take the comp. Pirates would be better with prospects and 100 million.

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      Ever heard of this thing called arbitration?

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  2. acoss13

    2 years ago

    Reynolds could be Pittsburg’s long term player that could anchor a soon to be contending team. It’d be great for the fans to have another Andrew McCutchen type of player, but their owner is notoriously cheap. I hope they do extend him, not just a few years, but pretty much a Pirate for life though, he’s a really good player.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Starting pitching will determine pirates success. Reynolds is a nice piece but not a must. Their extension offer was fair but not a contract Reynolds would want to sign. He needs that 8 years. I would trade him or take comp pick. Could live with extension. Their owner is smart and thrifty. He won’t spend with a non contending team. When contending he hasn’t yet failed to come up with the $ to do so. Hasn’t let a player go that was worth keeping.

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      • Dock_Elvis

        2 years ago

        Calling the Pirates ownership group smart is kind of wild. They’re here because of their incompetence.

        Owner came up with money? Didn’t let go of anyone worth keeping? Are you crazy? Do you just like to make pat comments? This is a team that could have Gerrit Cole at the top of the rotation. It’s jettisoned valuable controlled players. And does all this in arguably the most beautiful ballparks in baseball in front of fans who have long deserved better.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          Pirates are in a great position. Sorry but 2 years of Cole an having to pay him 330 million vs 5 years of minimum wage Musgrove, I am taking Musgrove. 2 years of Musgrove vs 6 years of Bednar Rodriguez well sorry Joe. You have any more awful decisions?

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      • Fish Monger

        2 years ago

        Smart. Lol. I literally chuckled aloud on that one.

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    • TheMan 3

      2 years ago

      Pittsburgh has an “ H”.
      I object to having to correct an adult for their ignorance of spelling a particular city

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      • Buuba ho tep

        2 years ago

        I’m pretty sure they always refer to the other city of Pittsburg. A southern and European city. But you are correct these people are ignorant

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        • Dock_Elvis

          2 years ago

          Pittsburg is in Kansas

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        • HalosHeavenJJ

          2 years ago

          There’s also one in the Bay Area in CA.

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      • bucsfan0004

        2 years ago

        I see nothing wrong with the spelling. Can’t wait for opening day vs Cinnati and the series in Bosto

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  3. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    2 years ago

    I’ve said it before- meet in the middle. Reynolds gives up $30M-$35M, Pirates pay an extra $30M-$35M, it’s a fair compromise.

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  4. YourDreamGM

    2 years ago

    Meet in middle 8 100 to 110. I can’t imagine Reynolds wants to take the risk of waiting 3 years to get paid. I wouldn’t be hellbent on extending someone I have until they turn 31 but sounds like it’s something both sides want so get it done.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      If Heyman is reporting the truth and if the pirates aren’t lying, this is a done deal. It’s obvious to me Reynolds and his agents want extension. If you are willing to do 6 80m then 20 some million for age 34 35 seasons is a fair compromise. Congratulations to Reynolds and the Pirates.

      Now if they don’t offer him at least 100m I will trash them the rest of my life. If you refuse to offer him this you lied to your fans. 7 90 bs isn’t trying to keep him.

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    • KermitJagger

      2 years ago

      Yes. And front load the hell out of it. You could give him 30 mil in 23 and 24 and then only 40-50 mil over the remainder. Would really free up money once they are (hopefully) contending.

      Will never happen but it would be a really smart move.

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  5. LFGMets (Metsin7)

    2 years ago

    If Nimmo could get 8 years 160 million, Reynolds probably wants 10 years at around 200 million. Nimmo might have the worst contract in baseball next to Lindor. Injury prone soon to be corner outfielder that has barely league average power but gets on base at a decent clip. Reynolds is 2x the player Nimmo is. Reynolds feels since Nimmo got overpaid, he deserves to get overpaid as well. Nimmo deserved 3 years at 15 million per. Reynolds really deserves 4 years at 20 mil per year. These contracts are getting way out of hand. I’d also like to add that the Mets have the worst GM in baseball, which is why Nimmo got overpaid

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    • SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

      2 years ago

      If Reynolds asks for Nimmo money trade him for something good. Let some other team pay for his decline years. They control him until he’s 31 after all.

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    • joblo

      2 years ago

      But Cohen had no say?

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Reynolds wants 8 134. That means he will take at worst 110 to 120. If pirates want him 8 100ish gets it done. He isn’t 2x Nimmo. I will go Reynolds but they are fairly close. Nimmo contract doesn’t matter. Reynolds doesn’t play for Mets and Pennsylvania is much friendlier tax state. Agree Mets aren’t a model front office. Some awful contracts and trades.

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      • Dock_Elvis

        2 years ago

        His taxes are also effected by his home state as well whatever rhat may be. And I don’t see him taking a 30% discount or so to get a deal done. He can expect to be traded if he just doesn’t extend.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          I hope the Pirates are sincere about extending him just so I can be proven right. It’s obvious to me he will cave. He would already be extended if I was negotiating. Not that BC is a great deal maker but I don’t Bob will give out 134m.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          2 years ago

          Nutting is the managing partner or was. He still has to deal with his board.

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  6. CardsFan57

    2 years ago

    Will Pittsburgh make the playoffs with Reynolds? Will they make the playoffs without him? There’s not going to be an extension. Eventually they either trade him or make the qualifying offer and take the draft pick. He’s a corner outfielder playing out of position. Negative 14 runs saved last year. He’s a good but not great corner outfielder. He’s not Juan Soto. No one is paying that price.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Eventually they should make the playoffs either way. Prospects and 100 million is probably more valuable than Reynolds. If SD didn’t get Soto they may have got Reynolds and paid a similar price. Some of those players I felt were over valued. SD pays the most in prospects and is more than willing to over pay. Trade included Bell as well. If this report is true and the Pirates aren’t lying an extension will be announced in the next week. I believe they are 2 years and 20 to 40 million apart. That’s easy to overcome.

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      • CardsFan57

        2 years ago

        We’ll see if Pittsburgh extends Reynolds.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          I think if it happens it’s in the next few weeks. I want reporters to press them and hold the accountable. If Reynolds rejects 8 110m well they made a effort to meet in middle. I don’t want to hear any low balls or Nutting crying poor. Any team can afford that. Coming from Arsen Heyman they might not even be trying to extend him and that’s fine. Buy if you say you are I want to see 100m.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          @CardsFan57 He has me muted so he is addressing you.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          I saw no reason to respond. Sometimes I think it’s best to mute myself instead of the others.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          2 years ago

          We honestly don’t know most organizations financial status. To say any could afford it, etc…is presumptuous. Baseball has had a MAJOR issue with leveraged ownership. It’s kind of hard to know just what holes some are financially digging out of.

          Buy the Cubs and Wrigley comes with it. Find out the park is only nostalgia holding hands. That money is going to repairs…politicians…whoever.. but it might not go to that big free agent signing.

          There’s also long been an issue with incredible successful business people coming to baseball and believing it can be run like their other businesses. Wrong. It’s a public trust

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    • TheMan 3

      2 years ago

      Thank you for your impersonation of Nostradamus

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  7. Ghost of hermanfranks

    2 years ago

    , I’ll trade the Pirates Gallen Deu Jones, and Henry for Reynolds keller and Bednee

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  8. R.D.

    2 years ago

    The Pirates front office has taken a new approach of surrounding Reynolds and chanting “One of us! One of us!” Repeatedly

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  9. jorge78

    2 years ago

    Love (not) how the Pirates brought him up late his first year so he could be NINE DAYS short of a full year of service guaranteeing he gets to swim in that swill an extra year…..

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      Love (not) how the Pirates brought him up late his first year so he could be NINE DAYS short of a full year of service
      ====================
      I’m thinking that fans of a given team should be a fan of the team maximizing their assets.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      He is lucky they brought him up at all that year and fortunate to get the extra arb year. I would have kept him in AAA for the year. Wouldn’t have given him a full year for the 2 months of 2020 season either. Injuries destroyed their outfield that year and forced their hand.

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  10. Treehouse22

    2 years ago

    7 years/$95mil with a $20mil option and a $5mil buyout. Total guaranteed is 7/$100mil ($14+mil AAV). That’s a great compromise for both team and player. He’s a star, but not a superstar.

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    • Treehouse22

      2 years ago

      That said, the Pirates may want to, instead, lock up Cruz after one full monster season. It might be in their best interests to wait until they see what they have in Cruz…a statcast freak who strikes out way too much and makes way too many errors, or a legit superstar.

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      • YourDreamGM

        2 years ago

        If Cruz wants $ I roll the dice and get it done. If he wants more than 50m I wait and see.

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        • Treehouse22

          2 years ago

          Cruz won’t reach free agency until 2029 when he’s 30. Reynolds reaches free agency in 2026 when he’s 31. If the Pirates choose to be frugal, they get three more years from Reynolds and six more years from Cruz, without long term contracts. It will be interesting to see what they do while holding all the cards.

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      • Treehouse22

        2 years ago

        One thing is certain, regarding Reynolds – he’s under contract for 2023 for $6.75 mil. That’s a steal and the Pirates must keep him for the entire 2023 season, even if they can’t sign him long-term. Getting rid of him before the end of this season with a contract that team friendly would be totally irresponsible on multiple levels.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          2024 2025 will cost more but will still be a steal as long as he is healthy.

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      • BFFLR

        2 years ago

        They tried that with Polonco and how did that work? Small market teams cannot absorb bad contracts and hope to compete in this non salary cap environment. Remember cap also means floor and revenue sharing. would you rather have a league with 20 or so teams able to compete every year or watch the same five or six teams in it every year.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          Polanco extension was smart. If not for injuries it would have worked out. Still a useful player. Pirates were just bad and didn’t care if he faced nasty lefties. They lost 15 or 20 million or so. Nutting absorbed it just fine by slashing payroll down to 40 million. More than made up for it with the Marte McCutchen extensions.

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      • Dock_Elvis

        2 years ago

        Strikes out too much but hits laser beams incredible arm strength. He has 3B written all over him.

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  11. IronBallsMcGinty

    2 years ago

    As already stated, it’d be great for him to stay. He’s certainly a type of player you can build with. Pittsburgh has a lot of great history in baseball and it’s a shame to see them in the basement so often. They have an awesome ballpark, it’s time for them to have an awesome team.

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  12. Buzz Killington

    2 years ago

    He was just begging for a trade. No way the Pirates will offer him anything close to what he’s really worth. Just another PR stunt like saying they’d lower their ask in trades.

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    • cornwhisperer

      2 years ago

      Having watched interviews and read myriad interviews, your usage of the word. “begging” is an extreme exaggeration. Rather, he was using the media to make a feeling known and to get movement on a
      contract extension
      I agree with @YourDreamGM here, again, that this is largely a done deal
      I find more interest in the Pirates outfield situation. Is Suwinski the new center fielder? What kind of season will Cutch have? How in the world do they send Swaggerty down?

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      “begging for a trade” is him begging for an extension. Goal is to get traded to another team and get extension there. If he really wanted to play 3 years, hoping he stays healthy and production doesn’t decline and hit free agency at 31 ( that sounds risky and like a awful idea to me ) what better place to do so than in a zero pressure small city that you already know you are successful at? Never seen someone so desperate to sign an extension.

      I too ? if they really want to give him an extension. But if they do he will cave so fast on his 134m demand.

      I never heard them say they would lower their trade asking price. I did hear them say they won’t lower their price.

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  13. User 3595123227

    2 years ago

    Ownership has no intention of signing this guy long term. If you think they do just at a reasonable price you are kidding yourself. This is a never ending rebuild and I feel bad for Pirates fans.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Well they did offer him 80m. Another 20 to 40 for 2 extra years isn’t much. You should have your doubts. I am interested to see how this plays out. If they want him they got him. They seem to be on a PR mission. Hayes extension. Cutch back. Nutting giving out his 1st MEGA contract! Largest in team history! That would really cap things off.

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  14. cwsOverhaul

    2 years ago

    Trade him to Texas for a high end near ready starter and position player. They may smell blood in the water with Altuve and Yordan banged up. Like Balt, Pitt is better served to have its treasure funds set aside to lock up young guys playing most of it in 20s, as opposed to BR a corner OF in 30s. Guys they get back can be part of an exciting young nucleus.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      It’s all on Texas. Pirates would love to do that. If they weren’t serious about the extension Texas should call them up.

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  15. Sliderwitcheese

    2 years ago

    This is something the National Enquirer would report. Everyone knows he’s gone no matter the front office spin

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      I can see it. They are so close. If they didn’t offer him 80 already I wouldn’t believe it. They could offer 85 and hold at 6 years and that won’t get it done. That just means they weren’t serious about extending him. Guy wants 8 years. His wants don’t matter but 8 years makes sense. 6 doesn’t.

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  16. bigdaddyk

    2 years ago

    He is looking at playing out the next 2 seasons and then a QO. If he doesn’t stick in cf then his value vastly declines. He is not carrying anyone I would rather flip him and extend Cruz and Keller

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      His value doesn’t change. Just because the Pirates play him in cf doesn’t mean anything to other teams. Like having a setup guy as your closer with 20 saves. Just because he is your closer doesn’t mean teams are going to trade you a closer return of prospects.

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      • bigdaddyk

        2 years ago

        Right if teams don’t play him in CF he is getting a nimo like contract. He is enough of a power hitter to justify a big Contract as a corner of

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  17. Scott Kliesen

    2 years ago

    In theory I’d rather the Pirates use money to extend Cruz, but an insider whose opinion I trust, says Pirates should not extend Cruz. So if they’re not going to make Cruz a Pirate for life, than I hope they make Reynolds one.

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    • cornwhisperer

      2 years ago

      I agree with the first portion here, but the memory of Gregory Polanco makes extending Cruz worrisome. So much promise but he has some areas of his game that must be improved, from plate discipline to his overall defense at SS
      Hoping he pans out

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      • YourDreamGM

        2 years ago

        For the right price extend anyone everyone. Cruz is no sure thing though.

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  18. inkstainedscribe

    2 years ago

    I imagine Cherington is well compensated, but I guess a lot of his job isn’t fun. He probably puts together a projected budget for each season,and then presents it to Nutting, who says, “Great. Cut it in half.” What a joke of an owner.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      He knew how much of a budget he would have before he even interviewed for the job. He is using this for a pay check and stepping stone and or loves the challenge of putting together a winner on the dime. Only 30 jobs and majority of them you can’t buy a playoff spot. Pittsburgh is definitely one of the 5 worst and closer to 1.

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  19. Saratoga Sexy

    2 years ago

    Trade Reynolds. Bucs have no chance this year or next. No chance at all. They need a lot of pitching prospects, in hopes a few work out

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Teams need to want to give up those prospects.

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  20. kevnames42

    2 years ago

    Unless the Pirates are willing to give him more than a hot dog and a bag of peanuts this is never going to get done

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  21. Dock_Elvis

    2 years ago

    Pittsburgh can’t hide behind the small market economics any longer. There’s enough cash flow from MLB Global Media to justify a reasonable payroll that fields a competitive team. Fielding a competitive team means spending money along with developing talent. Given their usual draft position the Pirates should be sitting on a Goldmine of extendable talent. ATLEAST keep your young players in Pittsburgh through their 20s.

    Pittsburgh will always have higher operating percentages against large market teams. That’s kinda where this “public trust” concept comes in. When you own a major league franchise you’re not owning a regular business. You’re business is representing generations of citizens of a city and region…and larger fan base. That’s an investment. It’s gonna cost something. That’s why billionaires should be interested in ownership. And ESPECIALLY now, as the days of gross team valuation increases are probably on the slow down and maybe at an end.

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    • cornwhisperer

      2 years ago

      Thanks Dock. Myself and others have been saying the same thing for a while and you described it perfectly
      I am willing to buy into the idea that the franchise is emulating TB and Cleveland’s methodology, that is, stock the minors, develop talent, watch them blossom, compete and maintain financial control, trade for prospects when top prospects when big contractual paydays come and repeat/ reload. But continually bringing in scrap like Joe, Mathias , Choi, VV and Hill while sending guys like Swaggerty, Ortiz, and others down only make me wonder about this front office

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      • Dock_Elvis

        2 years ago

        The truth is that even with other small market models like Cleveland and Tampa….it’s still possible to fail. Some teams in MLB won’t win. But they should win more often that Pittsburgh.

        A large issue in baseball to this very day is the good old boy network. It’s why some teams make headscratching decisions. You don’t get new blood in and you get stale. That was Minnesota.

        At this point with very few exceptions small market teams do compete on a regular basis. Cincinnati could have had a heck of a team and Covid flushed it. Tampa..Cleveland…Oakland…even KC. But Pittsburgh really hasn’t since the early 90s. Some decent teams but nothing very threatening.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Why can’t they keep not spending $. 1.5 million keep showing up to games no matter how low the payroll is. When they were world series contenders only 2.5m showed up. They had to spend 100 million to achieve this. Financially it doesn’t make sense to spend $ unless you are a contender. Fans won’t show up just because you spent $.

      MLB hasn’t done anything to get them to spend. Instead of negotiating for a floor they tried to get players to drop their grievance against Nutting.

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      • cornwhisperer

        2 years ago

        Well, last I looked, PNC only holds 39,000. 2.5 million would be a small victory in a smaller market.
        Truth be told, I think attendance is part of the shell game ownership has played for years now. It obfuscates the truth. Wait a minute, you’re going to trot out a minor league team that even guys like Kruk and Eckersley chastise and laugh about in broadcasts and bemoan the fact that crowds aren’t showing up? Easy pretzel logic argument when we all know that attendance represents a mere pittance where team revenue is concerned
        We’ve been down this road before
        You’ve provided the Pirates blueprint before and it’s the only logical conclusion
        World Series appearances will be unlikely but perhaps making runs like others—Tampa Bay comes to mind—are the optimum. That’s fine with me and likely with most fans.
        100 loss seasons are tough especially when fans see little light at the end of the tunnel. We understand the big money franchises will continue to dominate the sport given MLB’s ludicrous structure.
        But give us more than pierogi races and fireworks nights or VanMeters coming into to pitch mop up losses that were common the last few years
        Most fans understand the reality and although it’d be nice to revisit 1979 again, simply having a good team that competes will suffice

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          I am saying if Nutting is only concerned about making $ their is no incentive to spend any on payroll. Nothing wrong with 2.5m But he makes just as much with 1.5m and having half the payroll.

          I think he wants to win as long as he still makes just as much or more $. When he has a contender he will gladly spend 100m maybe go crazy and push it to 110m!

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      • Dock_Elvis

        2 years ago

        I really don’t believe attendance factors in nearly as much as other revenue streams. But what Ixdo believe is a team would rather a half empty park of $50/avg ticket prices over a 1/4 empty stadium at $25/ticket. And that’s because MLB teams look at their fan base as segments. Their live experience is meant to appeal to higher income levels…because it’s just not ticket prices. It’s $15 beer…concessions…team gear. They know a lower income person wont/can’t spend so they want those people at home justifying their TV rights fees. They want to sell ads to lower income fans….McDonald’s, Chipotle, beer..whatever runs between innings and on the back stop ads.

        I believe teams intentionally price themselves out of some markets. Why? Because they’re mostly a media product. Actual game attendance is minimal in the grand scheme.

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  22. Dr.Oxycontin

    2 years ago

    You lock Reynolds up and show the fan base you’re serious about running a winning team. You are willing to lock up players who deserve the money.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Fans are dumb and will hate Nutting no matter what.

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  23. HalosHeavenJJ

    2 years ago

    I can’t see Nutting keeping him around. He let the entire team that made back to back wild card games leave.

    He let fan favorites that wouldn’t cost a ton like Josh Harrison leave.

    He let real talents like Gerrit Cole leave.

    Nutting is in this to collect and pocket the national tv and revenue sharing money. Not to win or build rapport with fans.

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    • cornwhisperer

      2 years ago

      Agree but let’s face it, Cole wanted out. He made that known countless times over his last year or so here. I find it fascinating that guys like him, Morton and others learned how to pitch after leaving the Pirates, but that’s another conversation
      You zeroed in on the failure of Huntington’s last couple years here. Looking to restock the minors but misfiring and settling for guys who never made the impact they should have
      At the end, he was not only trading away stars but also top prospects. The result was a team full of cast offs and a minor league system that was producing scrap, at best
      You’d like to think Cherington has put the Pirates on a better course but their signings and off season moves are odd. Can you see this team winning more than 70 or 72 games or “competing” as is anytime soon?

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      • HalosHeavenJJ

        2 years ago

        True. Cole wanted the huge money and big spotlight.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Cole trade was a smart excellent move. They extended Harrison and had a option. They declined it because he was toast. Only you would want to pay a guy 8 million for a .175 batting average lol.

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  24. honalieh

    2 years ago

    Try (1) 20M signing bonus. (2) 10M per year for 2023-2028. That’s 6 yrs 80M so far. Goes through age 33 season. (3) 2029-2031 options @ 15M. 2029 buyout of 10M. 2030 buyout of 5M. (4) So, it turns into 6-90M minimum, 7-100, 8-110, 9-125. Could have auto renewals (based on certain standards) kick in before option decisions.

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  25. Dr.Oxycontin

    2 years ago

    Nutting Bad, we all know.

    I’m saying show the fans this is a new management group and internally they are willing to spend some money to keep the players around that deserve it.

    Also, Cole would have never re-signed to stay, he pretty much hated his time in Pittsburgh, and the Pirates extended Harrison when it was time. He played his way out of Pittsburgh. IMO you don’t sign players on popularity.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Fans are hellbent on hating Nutting. Don’t believe he can ever change that.

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  26. waldfee

    2 years ago

    $156 M/8 years ($19.5 M AAV) is Reynolds’ current market value, according to another source.

    The Pirates offer of $75 M/6 years ($12.5 M AAV) is an insulting carpetbagger move for any player of Reynolds’ caliber. They try to buy out just his prime years with a shorter offer at a 36% lower AAV.

    At this point only a fool would continue to listen to any further “offers” from Nutting and his trash franchise. Once you know that you’re dealing with a cheap swindler, you tell him to get off your property and close the door.

    Any feigned interest in extending Reynolds merely represents the usual Pirates FO bluster to reel in the most gullible among the fanbase. Similar to the hoopla around their “franchise-changing” .244/7 HR hitter Ke’Bryan Hayes.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Reynolds doesn’t want to bet on himself and wait to become a free agent at 31. I wouldn’t either. He should and will listen. That offer was good enough for Murphy who is better or at least as good. Offer was a good starting point. Reynolds and his team used a poor amateur negotiating tactic. Actually gave Pittsburgh even more leverage. If they want to extend Reynolds it will be less than his 134 demand.

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      • waldfee

        2 years ago

        “Reynolds doesn’t want to bet on himself….”

        Sure thing, couch GM. I bet he’s constantly confiding in you.

        Your pathetic used-car-dealer antics of trying to convince everyone that selling assets for cents on the dollar is the smart thing to do, are getting old.

        “Sir, you could have an accident and you never know what happens to future gas prices! I’ll give you $50,000 for that 2023 911 GT3 RS. That’s money in the bank.”

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          Doesn’t need to confine in me. His actions and media interviews say it. Sorry you don’t have meaningful negotiating experience but no need to take it out on me.

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        • cornwhisperer

          2 years ago

          Really a cheap shot of a comment
          I don’t agree with everything Dream writes but his takes are about as on target as they get. Because in truth, if this organization *isn’t* subscribing to the model used by TB, CLE and others like Baltimore, then what Nutting and his partners have done make absolutely no sense in both a competitive and financial regard
          I once described Nutting as the “Mr.Potter” of Pittsburgh but that was only partly true. I do believe he is frugal. I do believe though that he brought Cherington in to continue what Huntington started but unfortunately went off track with along the way
          It’s all about keeping financial control of players and really, at this juncture Reynolds is the only outlier, a guy who is a proven veteran but also the only threat in the batting order. I have no doubt that this is the reason they are even negotiating an extension at this point
          What’s “pathetic” is throwing a cheap shot into a fan forum

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        • waldfee

          2 years ago

          Bob, is that you?

          If by “frugal” you mean “disingenuous cheapskate” in your euphemistic self-description, you could have saved yourself the rest of your blather.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          @cornwhisperer Appreciate the kind words. I never try to convince anyone on anything. I give my expert opinion. If it opens up your mind great. If not we agree to disagree. I am not wrong often so if it happens you better take a screenshot, print it out, and hang it on your fridge. If I am wrong and Reynolds refuses to sign for less than 134m I will own it. Not going to change my name and act like it never happened. If people don’t like what I say they don’t have to read it. You are one of my favorite people because we don’t always agree but you hear me out and give your reasons.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          waldfee? I don’t even know who you are. Never noticed you until this exchange.

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        • cornwhisperer

          2 years ago

          For the record, my take on Nutting is much more harsh than yours. Whether as a “tired old dude” or now as someone who whispers to corn, I’ve left no doubt
          Maybe you’re new here
          While I never expected having a Yankees payroll, here’s a guy who not only has a civic responsibility to the taxpayers whose dollars built his playground or at least, some owes fans of a proud organization something more than pierogi races and a beautiful view of the city. He owes all of the local businessmen who set up shop and spent millions , buying into the idea that a competitive team would go hand in hand with a new ballpark, and as such fans would flock to the ballpark and the bars, restaurants and shops around it
          He failed miserably
          That was my view from the cheap seats
          Thanks to Dream, MendozaLine and others, I began to broaden my view. That’s all
          But thanks. Come again

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  27. sjwil1

    2 years ago

    So a 7yr/$105m offer gets it done. Send me my 5%

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Might be able to get 8 years for that or might take 8 110 115. I agree. This sounds so easy it’s criminal they will get a commission.

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  28. Play the Game

    2 years ago

    I would not sign with Pittsburgh they will always be bad.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Good. You can play for minimum wage until you are 31. Wish you good health my friend.

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  29. SportsFan0000

    2 years ago

    I seriously doubt that the Pirates will come to an acceptable deal with Reynolds.

    The Pirates would be smart to “lower their ask” and deal Reynolds for the best deal that they can get.
    Quite a few teams would give competitive bids for Reynolds.
    It won’t be for a “Soto like return”.
    But, a reasonable return might be a few top end prospects
    and a few lottery ticket players with big upside OR maybe even 1-2 young major league player young major league players or almost major league ready players + some lottery ticket players with big upside.

    For Example, The Padres are “all in” and could offer top prospects: SS Jackson Merrill, RHSP Dylan Lesko, OF Sam Zavello, LHSP Robby Snelling might get a Reynolds deal done.
    Padres are great at talent evaluation and drafting with AJ Preller’s team.
    Those Padres prospects would line up well with the Pirates next window of contention opening up in a few years.
    The Dodgers, Yankees, Cardinals and other teams have the players and farm to make a competitive bid for Reynolds.

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    • cornwhisperer

      2 years ago

      They’re in a predicament right now
      On one hand, your idea makes perfect sense. And if the young Bucs had shown any promise at all last season, I suspect they’d have gone this route. After all, flipping their talent for prospects is the theme du jour.
      But their hitting was atrocious and Reynolds was their only tough out, and it was an off season for him
      They couldn’t produce runs and again, Reynolds was the RBI king
      Suwinski and Cruz hit homers but had atrocious plate discipline
      Hayes is largely a spray hitter and the guy who gets on base for the heavy hitters, of which there are none
      Now they have question marks that concern the evolution of those guys and the guys they’ve signed who largely are in the twilight of their careers

      They signed Hayes to a big deal last year, calling him the cornerstone of the franchise. No, that’s still Reynolds. He may not be Judge or Soto or Ohtani, but he’s far and away the best player here

      So do they subscribe to the Branch Rickey school—that they can lose 90 or 100 games with or without him—or do they see themselves as being close to contention, with him as the catalyst?

      Strange period

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