7:06pm: The BayStars have officially announcedĀ Bauer’s signing on a one-year contract.
2:41pm:Ā Free-agent right-hander Trevor Bauer has agreed to a one-year, $4MM deal with the Yokohama DeNA BayStars of Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball, as first reported by Japan’s Sankei Sports (Twitter link). Bauer had previously been suspended for 324 games under MLB’s joint domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy. Back in December, commissioner Rob Manfred announced that Bauer’s suspension had been reduced, via appeal, to the 194 games he’d already served. He was immediately reinstated, and the Dodgers released him the following month.
For the past two months, Bauer has been a free agent who’s free to sign with any Major League team for the league minimum, as the Dodgers are on the hook for the remainder of his 2023 salary under the terms of the previous three-year, $102MM contract to which they signed him. No team has chosen to do so. It appears Bauer will now head overseas to pitch in Japan’s NPB, widely regarded as the second-best league in the world behind MLB, perhaps with an eye toward eventually engineering a return to Major League Baseball down the road.
When the Dodgers originally signed Bauer, he was heading into his age-30 season on the heels of a National League Cy Young win during the shortened 2020 season. Then a member of the Reds, Bauer tossed 73 innings of 1.73 ERA ball, striking out an elite 36% of his opponents against a strong 6.1% walk rate along the way. He got out to a strong start through 17 starts with the Dodgers (2.59 ERA 31.7% strikeout rate, 8.6% walk rate) and, over the course of his past 569 big league innings, carries a 3.07 earned run average.
Bauer’s Dodgers tenure came to an abrupt halt when, in June 2021, it came to light that a woman in California had filed a restraining order against him and accused him of sexual assault. An investigation by both Major League Baseball and the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office ensued. Bauer spent the remainder of the 2021 season on paid administrative leave — a mutually agreed-upon status between MLB and the MLBPA that is not considered punitive in nature. (Administrative leave is common while players are being investigated under the domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy.) During this time, two other women, both in Ohio, came forth with similar allegations against Bauer. The alleged incidents in those complaints came prior to the alleged incidents in California.
In August of 2021, the California plaintiff’s request for a long-term restraining order against Bauer was denied. A judge ruled that Bauer did not pose an ongoing threat to his accuser. Months later, the L.A. district attorney declined to pursue criminal charges. While the DA did not declare Bauer’s innocence, the department stated: “After a thorough review of the available evidence, including the civil restraining order proceedings, witness statements and the physical evidence, the People are unable to prove the relevant charges beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Major League Baseball’s domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy does not require criminal charges to be enforced, however. Manfred, upon his own review of the evidence, opined that Bauer had indeed violated the policy and levied that record 324-game suspension, which was reduced to 194 games back in December. Immediately in the wake of Bauer’s reinstatement, reports emerged that several teams were completely uninterested in pursuing Bauer — the Yankees, Mets, Padres, Twins and Guardians among them.
My man finna tear up the NPB
I mean yeah. Trevor Bauer playing against the equivalent of a good AAA team is pretty lopsided.
Curious if the contract language allows him to jump ship when his sub 2 ERA entices a GM with a wounded ace to come calling.
Gonna be a Met before the end of the year.
0% chance he’s with the Mets. They’ve shown no interest in him and you have to think Cohen still remembers when Bauer spurned him for the Dodgers.
Thereās a history with Bauer and the Mets, and itās not a good one. Loved the Twitter battles Thor had with him.
There’s zero chance he’s with any MLB club again.
Why jump ship? It looks like by playing in Japan he gets to make $4M more than he’d have made in MLB, because he gets paid by both the Dodgers and Yokohama.
It seems quite plausible to me that some MLB teams would’ve liked to sign him, but he decided he’d go take more money and less enemies in Japan instead. He probably won’t get booed everywhere he goes there, and money is money no matter how much you have.
Mets fans saying there’s no chance he’ll be a Met equals, they will be celebrating when he is a Met and talking about how they always wanted him and that he should be given a second chance.
no doubt
Highly doubt that. You think he would go to Japan over an MLB team for only $4mm? I don’t think so.
Also, no team in MLB would touch him. That is a PR nightmare that no team is willing to gamble on. At least not for this season at the minimum. We’ll see about next season.
Agreed on the last part. Won’t get the same pushback in Japan compared to the U.S.
Met fab here saying go sign him
I thought he gets his 2023 salary from the Dodgers plus the $4m. Is that not correct? If he signed with a mlb team then Dodgers salary minus that amount?
Didnāt Ben Roethlisberger have some ārā accusations early in his career. He was allowed back in the NFL.
That’s what I meant when I said $4mm. Original poster was trying to say that he had interest from other MLB teams but chose to go to Japan for an incremental $4mm. Most likely scenario was that no other team was interested in signing him.
@Marlins: No, we won’t. Bauer is trash. I’m sure you’d love him on the Marlins, though. Might even help them get over the hump and win 70 games.
There’s no one player that is keeping the Marlins from 100 losses this year. Kim Ng decided that, after the bullpen sucks and the offense struggles, she made sure to put the defense in disarray.
Good thing we have some solid young starters, otherwise we’d be challenging your Mets for the worst single-season record in MLB history. But no worries. The Mets will still hold onto the record.
Probably be in a Japanese prison before the end of the year!
NFL players can get away with a lot more than MLB players. Just look at the steroid stigma. In MLB, a player is blackmarked for their entire career. In the NFL, most fans don’t even notice when a player gets popper for a 4 game suspension.
@Lou, if he were to sign with another MLB team he can only sign for the minimum which would b subtracted from what Dodgers owe. Playing in Japan he gets all of what Didgers plus whatever a team is willing to pay(in this case $4 million).
Not a chance. For the same reasons they let Baez and Stroman walk. Not a good clubhouse presence.
Hey Marlins, do you think Cohen is going to give you back pay for all of the years the Mets having been living rent free in your head?
Yeah, I agree too, I think he will be back in the league next year, baseball fans, have a short memory, unless it has to do with steroids, or Pete rose
Shhh your calling out the truth. MLB is using Bauer as an agenda to push their far left agenda. Trying to show they care about women which is comical because she asked for it in txt. Hence Bauer is not in jail.
Maybe he’ll ask your daughter and/or sister out.
hey LazeLeo!
Yankees have a wounded deuce, trey, and quatro.
I hope Cashman is studying his Japanese. I want Bauer for the Bombers, and I want him lockering next to Gerrit Cole.
More like AAAA team..
Please,…..You ‘fans’ are comical.
Some of the Japanese teams are very good. Japan won the World Classic in 2006 and 2009 bettering the US teams. I feel they do have better teams than the MLB AAA teams.
Agreed. iTalk Studios did a video on this and how good the Japanese league actually is. Given that he hasn’t faced any MLB relevant hitters in some time and due to the assumption that the NPB is less talented, I believe Baur may be in for a rude awakening.
Yes but that includes MLB players who represented JPN. I still agree with you, they are much closer to MLB than MiLB. But your comparison doesnāt immediately hold up
@Woods Rider I think you’re thinking of Baseball Doesn’t Exist. He made a video recently on the Baseball World Classic, though I could be wrong. They both have similar voices lol.
@mlb1225, agreed. I get both of them mixed up as well. Both are great channels in my opinion.
I did check, and you are correct, it was BDE that did the video. However, iTalk did just recently do one on Bauer and teams not signing him. I know it’s two different topics, but it was two great videos.
Beating an All Star team in a short series during the spring is not the same as beating major league teams over the course of a 162 game season. No NPB team would win more than 50 games in a ML season with current rosters.. I could see being competitive in AAA though.
Pitching is way better than AAA but hitting is probably AAA level
Please stop the nonsense. Japan used their own players, they had no need for any ‘MLB’ Players. Mattingly carried a stacked, All-Star team over there, and they won 1 game. After game 5 in the post game interview, Donny smiled, and said, “These guys are pretty good.”
I think the poster meant that even though Ohtani is MLB, he played for Japan.
Look at the stats of Players who went NPB to MLB, did stats get better or worse? Look at stats if players who went MLB to NPB, same question.
Many of the foreign teams have the countries best MLB players, not just Japan.
Every reason to believe that MLB is better than every other league. Every reason to believe that NPB is way better than any minor league.
@dphotos
I don’t.
I have a feeling Bauer will burn his welcome in a month or two in Japan. He does not need the money plus he could bail anytime he wants. No MLB team will touch him now because they do not want to piss of their fan base. I felt a great number of Dodgers did not want Bauer on the ream and they voiced their concerns to management. Most team owners were not happy with his dating issues. Maybe in a few years he can play on a MLB team. We shall see but right now the answer is no. If so he would be in spring training right now. His agent was really trying to get a MLB team to sign him and I heard her say there were teams in MLB that were interested in signing him. Well that did not happen. Be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months.
Living in Japan, I dread that he will continue his off-field antics here. I hope DeNA made it clear that if he abuses the privilege, he’s gone.
His failure to find a team here has less to do with pissing off fans than the fact that he hasn’t taken responsibility for his actions. Not only has he refused to acknowledge that he violated the policy (even after the finding was made twice), he continues to sue those who supplied the evidence that he did. No MLB team is going to touch that with a barge pole. Maybe he’ll spend some time in Japan getting his head straight, but honestly he doesn’t seem like the getting his head straight kind of guy.
By signing in Japan, he doesn’t just get what the LAD owe him. He gets an extra $4MM on top of it. He would not have gotten any extra if he’d signed a contract in MLB. It would not surprise me to find out he spurned a MLB contract because of his greed.
Do you believe everything youāre told?
Predator? That’s slander.
Depends on who does the telling.
@thelegendary. PREDATOR, PREDATOR, PREDATOR. Bauer is a scumbag predator. I can only hope he comes after me with a slander lawsuit. And I hope his main squeeze, uh, agent sues as well.
Some people just like sticking up for rapists, predators, sexual assaulters, and really bad men. They lack empathy and think all women are to blame for everything (amongst others).
He is a predator.
Before his sexual assault scandals he was still a piece of garbage troll that bullied women and unleashed his hundreds of thousands of woman-hating twitter followers upon women critical of him.
Tax effect that incremental $4mm and it’s closer to $2mm. Highly doubt that he’s only going to Japan for the extra $2mm or so. While that may be a lot of money, on a relative basis it’s not a lot. All that to go to a less familiar place where you don’t know the language and culture. Other costs incurred by moving out there, etc. It could be a good move for him but I doubt money was at the top of the list of reasons.
Like the Lakers with Kobe?
Even before this came to light, he was not a popular guy in the clubhouse I understand. He is far more talented at pitching than he is at human relations…
@Blue Skies LA
Accusations aren’t facts, but you seem to believe they are.
He’s been found guilty of nothing, but he’s been found guilty by you and others in the ‘court of public opinion’, yet here you are telling him in one way or another to ‘confess’ to what exactly? Provide facts.
4. Burden of Proof. In any case involving discipline imposed under this Policy, the Commissionerās Office shall have the burden of proving that the Player committed a Covered Act:
a. A criminal conviction for an offense involving a Covered Act or a plea of guilty, no contest or nolo contendere, to an offense involving a Covered Act, whether a misdemeanor or felony, shall satisfy the Commissionerās Officeās burden of proving a violation. In cases involving a criminal conviction or a plea of guilty, no contest or nolo contendere, the burden shall be on the Player to establish that notwithstanding the conviction or plea, the Player did not engage in a Covered Act.
b. A Player may be subjected to disciplinary action for just cause by the Commissioner for a violation of this Policy in the absence of a conviction or a plea of guilty to a crime involving a Covered Act.
You have no clue as to whether what’s been alleged is true or not, yet here you are passing judgement on him saying he “violated the policy”.. Provide video of what he did, if you can’t then it’s just accusatory unproven allegations from you and others.
Bauer was not arrested and faced no criminal charges. The Los Angeles County district attorney said in a statement it was “unable to prove the relevant charges beyond a reasonable doubt.”
The same court of public opinion goes for Ozuna as well..
And before you start screaming that I am supporting Bauer or Ozuna, I’m supporting facts over what you and others believe to be the ‘truth’ based on unsupported & unproven accusations.
@Comrade
And you think people should be put in jail when accusations cannot be proven.
Bauer was not arrested and faced no criminal charges. The Los Angeles County district attorney said in a statement it was “unable to prove the relevant charges beyond a reasonable doubt.”.
Who’s to “blame” as you call it, and who “lacks empathy” here. You can’t just make accusations and have no proof, but it seems you can in most areas in USA, according to you and others like you.
@stymee
Bauer did not spurn an MLB offer to make a couple million bucks In Japan. Makes no sense for him to do that. No MLB team wanted the baggage for now.
Itās called Collective Bargaining Agreement which he CLEARLY violated, MLB had every right to suspend him! Thank you!
You know little about the “justice” system, Fred. That’s a fact. Thousands of innocent people are convicted or plea out every single year. Hundreds of innocent people have been put to death, murdered by the state. These people are nearly 100% poor and people of color.
And accusers often have little chance to make it to court. The stats of R A P E and S E Xual assault cases making it to trial are miniscule. RA PE kits routinely get tossed or thrown in a corner. Cases are not taken seriously or thrown out under the guise of “she said he said”. Not because of merit/legitimacy but because of the way the system is set up. Or due to the monopolization of junk science. I can explain more if you are uninformed. Happy to do so. One need only look at the victims of Cosby or Weinstein or Epstein or MJ or the many others with far less money and power and influence who get away things.
And yeah, if you don’t think Bauer lacks empathy you need to reread some of his twitter posts. He really hates women. He gets off on watching his legion of woman-hating fans terrorize women willing to stand up to him.
I don’t know if he should be put in jail or not. He likely will be put in jail some day. He seems to be a narcissist and an assaulter. Maybe a sociopath. But I do know that no team should sign this human cancer. He seems (so far) incapable of redemption or empathy or acknowledging his criminal and morally repugnant behavior. But I’m happy to be proven wrong.
He probably signed over there because of their underground S&M clubs. Would not shock me in the least to hear of him being arrested for going too far.
No he’s not a predator and no he never sexually assaulted anyone.
Fred, I donāt say this often, but it has to be said here. You are utterly clueless.
Implant
I don’t like your comment about his agent unless you have real evidence to support.
As for Bauer, say what you like
McGriff
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@BlueSkiesLA
According to you I am “clueless”, yet you haven’t addressed a single thing I said. You can’t provide facts, and if the evidence is so damning why hasn’t he been charged with anything and why was he reinstated by the neutral arbitrator, yet you’re calling me “clueless”. You’re typical of people that are incapable of providing one fact at all. I await your one fact. I await him being put in jail based on the accusations made against him and the ‘evidence’ BlueSkiesLa and others possess in this matter, because you obviously know more than the Police because you have all the ‘clues’…You don’t even find it odd that the neutral arbitrator reinstated him immediately, even though Manfred wanted to rub him out for good. Imagine that. Your arrogance & sanctimony is breathtaking
Whilst he may have involved himself in unsavoury behaviour by your standards or that of others, it doesn’t make him guilty of any crime at all.
I’d say you’re clueless, and as well as that, you are without any facts whatsoever. Conjecture away.
@MannyBeingMVP
And? Do you realise that there are people all over America and in other countries that wilfully involve themselves in this type of activity and other unsavoury activities for ‘excitement’. There are women all over the place that do this. You now know about it because Bauer is a wealthy MLB player. There are also women that wilfully get involved with mass murderers in prison. There are also women prison guards that have s e x in prisons with criminals.
The problem you have is that you ‘think’ I am defending Bauer, I am not. I am asking you and others to provide facts, you have no way of telling what she consented to, and you have no way of telling what Bauer did or didn’t do. The only thing I’ll say on Bauer is that he obviously lacks common sense, however, that makes him guilty of absolutely nothing.
What were his actions? Having sex with a woman who then tried to cash in on the encounter?
When the “”Vicitm”” cannot get an order of protection, and DA declines to prosecute, due to the “Victim” leaving text messages between the two parties out of the evidence it’s fair to assume the judge nor the DA believed the “”Victim’s”” claim of assault.
Sorry, but you’ve demonstrated your lack of clues in spades. You’ve succeeded in quoting the authority for enforcing the policy, which was agreed upon jointly by the league and players, and then showing that you don’t comprehend it at all.
I’m not required to present what you call “facts.” The only facts that matter is the ones heard behind closed doors at the hearings conducted by the commissioner and the arbitrator. You don’t seem to have gotten the message that both came to the same conclusion, handing down the longest suspension in the history of the policy. Apparently, your explanation for how this came about is some sort of vague conspiracy theory. Well, sorry again, but that’s pretty much the dictionary definition of cluelessness.
His actions were violating the joint policy, which is part of every player’s terms of employment. Even from the bits and pieces that became public at the beginning of this episode it was clear that his behavior was a violation. At least it was to those of us who actually read the policy and understood what it says. Those of us who read and understand were certain that he’d be suspended, that it was only a matter of how long, and that the suspension was never going be overturned on appeal. And since it worked out exactly that way, who was right, I wonder? Was those of us who made an effort to understand the policy, or those who don’t care to understand it?
I have a question for everyone spending countless time they can not get back arguing back and forth ….
Why do you guys do it ? Why engage ? I find it fascinating to put forth so much effort into an opinion to try to one up someone on the internet
McGriff: There’s no reasoning with Wokies who want to make themselves feel like heroes by jumping on the bigot-bandwagon of pushing toxic masculinity and all of their other fabricated sociopathic crap.
These anti-due process zombies are actually probably just agents of some type, paid to be here (and everywhere else online) to push the psycho agendas and push against sensible comments.
McGriff: Not arrested, not even charged, let alone tried and convicted??! None of that matters. Remember, Trevor is, well, he’s just….just….just….just….just…..a bad, bad, bad guy, and he needs to be punished!!
It couldn’t possibly be that Trevor was extremely outspoken against the corruption of the sociopath-cryptos who run baseball, and they conspired to ruin him.
BlueSkies: Fred is utterly clueless? Please explain…?
Implant: That’s some pretty heavy-duty defamation that you’re spewing there.
And you got 10 thumbs-ups from Wokies who obviously don’t care about silly little things like evidence, criminal charges, due process, and stuff.
Interesting that what happens in Bauer’s bedroom will upset a ‘fan base’. MLB is blackballing him, otherwise he would be signed.
BlueSkies, I’m curious: what the hell do YOU care (so, SO much, no less) about the alleged edgy sexual proclivities of some random athlete??! Why are you so obsessed with this topic, and with seeing Trevor severely punished??!
Comrade, for which organization are you a paid agent: NOW, WHO, CIA, or SPLC?
Whom did Bauer rape? Thatās a new allegation.
Not being aware of fundamental facts qualifies. Resisting understanding them when they are explained also qualifies. Using tinfoil hat theories instead of reality to explain how things happen is another. So there’s all that.
The single most important thing we really need to get straight is that MLB and the MLBPA developed this policy jointly. It is not the law. It is part of the agreed upon terms of employment applying to every player. Together the owners and players decided what is a good look for baseball, and men harming women was determined to not be one of them, and “because she asked for it” was not going to be an exception. All of this is easily understood, if read.
Every player has to be aware of what is expected of them in terms of their behavior, as well as the potential consequences of their not being aware of it. Bauer is the first player to argue in effect that the policy doesn’t apply to him. He seems to believe he or his situation are special or unique. Not. He went through the process and it ruled against him. Twice. End of story, like it or not.
Finally, whether you’re a player or a fan, not agreeing with the policy or liking any given outcome doesn’t change the policy or the outcomes even one little bit. MLB and the PA makes these policies and processes for themselves This seems blindingly obvious to me, but it isn’t even slightly apparent to some, I guess. Why this is so hard for some to comprehend is a total mystery me.
I bother engaging on this because I’m sick of hearing so much misinformation. So if somebody gets who didn’t before, then it’s worth some of my time, IMO.
Jazz — I am a paid agent of the Soviet Union. It’s been a decade or three since they sent their last check. Oh well. For the cause….
No he is not. You log into your 9 other accounts to upvote your comment?
I was surprised that they left this one open for comment. A thread such as this one certainly turns out a bunch of garbage posting trolls for sure.
I guess that if one is not convicted of a crime, then we should all believe that they are squeaky clean and therefore being railroaded by all of those evil mlb team owners and execs?
I don’t know what really happened, but there sure is a lot of smoke that follows Bauer around for quite a long time. So it is really hard to sympathize with his grievance-airing, conspiracy-mongering buddies that call everything and everyone woke if it tilts in the wrong direction in their mini little mindsets.
I’m not all for throwing the book at a guy and black balling him on some policy technicality. They resolved the issue and the matter is over with. Let the guy play baseball, unless we just wanna let the morality police take him out back one more time. Baseball, stop burying your award-winning players for being human beings.
JazzJazz: thank you!!!
“BlueSkies_LA1 day ago
Not being aware of fundamental facts qualifies. Resisting understanding them when they are explained also qualifies. Using tinfoil hat theories instead of reality to explain how things happen is another. So thereās all that.
The single most important thing we really need to get straight is that MLB and the MLBPA developed this policy jointly. It is not the law. It is part of the agreed upon terms of employment applying to every player. Together the owners and players decided what is a good look for baseball, and men harming women was determined to not be one of them, and ābecause she asked for itā was not going to be an exception. All of this is easily understood, if read.
Every player has to be aware of what is expected of them in terms of their behavior, as well as the potential consequences of their not being aware of it. Bauer is the first player to argue in effect that the policy doesnāt apply to him. He seems to believe he or his situation are special or unique. Not. He went through the process and it ruled against him. Twice. End of story, like it or not.
Finally, whether youāre a player or a fan, not agreeing with the policy or liking any given outcome doesnāt change the policy or the outcomes even one little bit. MLB and the PA makes these policies and processes for themselves This seems blindingly obvious to me, but it isnāt even slightly apparent to some, I guess. Why this is so hard for some to comprehend is a total mystery me.
I bother engaging on this because Iām sick of hearing so much misinformation. So if somebody gets who didnāt before, then itās worth some of my time, IMO.”
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Here’s the guy again who calls people “clueless”, then he proceeds to refer to “fundamental facts”. When asked to provide facts, he provides none. The irony indeed.
Then he goes on to refer to a policy within an organisation. Any policy within an organisation is not the law, which you’ve acknowledged. Within a workplace environment many accusations can be made against a worker or in Bauer’s case a player, people can lose their livelihood because of aforementioned unproven accusations.
“Together the owners decided what is a good look for baseball, and men harming women was determined to not be one of them”, but for people like BlueSkiesLA, accusations against someone are sufficient to rub them out, penalise them monetarily, and arbitrarily ban them for however long the person in charge deems fit based on a policy, not facts. They harmed each other in that room, you don’t know what was agreed to in their nefarious activities. BlueSkieLA proclaims ‘Justice for me, but not for thee’.. The absolute dripping sanctimony and hypocrisy is expected. The guy calling people ‘clueless’.
People understand the policy despite your condescending statements asserting that people don’t understand it, but you’re yet to prove one fact about what Bauer did, the Police have laid zero charges, so if he went over or outside of what was agreed to in their excitement seeking you can’t prove it. Patently it isn’t fair, because if Bauer had a case to answer he’d be in jail. You’re asserting he’s harmed a woman outside of her consent, therefore why isn’t he in jail.
Again, I am not defending Bauer or whatever weird activities he involved himself in with a woman who wilfully took part and agreed to be involved with to a certain extent, we don’t know what extent that was, but you obviously do. No one knows what happened between the two parties and who agreed to what, unless BlueSkiesLA has the video, which he appears to possess based on the commentary he is asserting on this page..
Indeed you are clueless. Everyone that has a differing opinion to you is a “tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist”, this is despite the fact that Bauer faces zero criminal charges in the matter. Indeed, you must be wearing your tinfoil hat 24/7/365.
he won’t have to pay state taxes for the 2023 year that’s for sure.
I have zero access to any other account. besides this one. Zero. All previous accounts have ended in tragedy (as in me being kicked off).
So many words.
BlueLA
I wonder why Manfred cut the suspension in half.
If he can bring it, I’d watch him in a Yankees uniform. Especially for MLB minimum wage.
AmericanRed…
I don’t believe everything I’m told. I believe Bauer can be had for $700 G though. I believe LAD is on the hook for the rest. Therefore I believe I’d roll the dice on Bauer.
mlbdodgerfan2015…
Japan is pretty expensive. Makes LA look like ultra cheap. I doubt Trevor is actually breaking even. I think he just wants to pitch, and maybe try his sicko act on Japanese winimens.
CrimeDog….
First, congrats on the HOF. Long damn overdue.
Second, Bauer seemed to violate the MLB conduct policy. I’m no lawyer, but it sounds like Manfred, in this case, can do whatever the hell he wants. I am with you. as far as Guilty in a court of law goes. But Shoeless Joe and the boys were found innocent…. and were still tossed out on their ash cans. Trevor is in that space for now.
As I already said, I wonder why Manfred commuted Bauer’s suspension. And as a Yankees fan, I wished the Bombers had invited him to ST.
Comrade Tip…
I dont LIKE Trevor. I’d probably like to beat the crap out of him. But he was suspended for the MLB policy, and his status as a criminal (or not) is irrelevant.
robluca21…
I enjoy the civil discourse!
Sometimes the uncivil discourse as well!
As Iāve said heās not going to Japan for the money. He obviously had no MLB offers so heās going to best place where they will take him. He can stay sharp there for a season and perhaps an MLB team will bite for the following season.
dphotos: Only the 1-5% who literally are paid by various organizations and agencies to pretend to be offended by everything, and another 1-5% who are mentally-ill Wokies who are triggered by everything, would be pissed if Bauer signed with their team.
But of course the totally-and-completely-corrupt, sensationalist, radical fake-media would glom onto the story of any team that signs him, present a fake narrative that make it appear that literally everyone is offended and furious, push that narrative relentlessly, day and night, and all of that fakery would make the aforementioned Wokies go nuts and amplify their absurd tantrumming tenfold.
mlbdodgerfan2015: He had no offers because MLB executives and owners are all paid-off to the tune of billions to push and promote dangerous, destructive, radical cultural agendas.
Trevor got trapped inside of the MEN ARE TOXIC SCUM!!! psychological operation being pushed by countless organizations, agencies, governments, and corporations. Inside of that nefarious project, Truth does not matter. Fairness does not matter. Democracy does not matter. Constitutional Rights do not matter. Etc.
mlbdodgerfan2015: P.S. What is a “dodger fan”, someone who loves the play The Artful Dodger? Because there’s no sports team anywhere that I know of that is called The Dodger.
@bronxmac77 Manfred could also do whatever the Hell he wanted in Ozuna’s case and he only got 20 games.
@thelegendaryharambe
That’s because you listen to hearsay and conjecture, hence the “he only got 20 games”. What do you actually ‘think’ he did? Give me facts, not conjecture or hearsay.
@harambe
I’m not sure what you intended with Ozuna comment, but anyway, I can see you’re on Bauer’s side, so never mind. I feel what has transpired is also very unfair. Anyway, Bauer is going to do well in Japan, and the fact is baseball crowds there are far better in terms of support, atmosphere and gameday experience.
A bunch of Wokie triggered little girls love to tantrum about toxic masculinity and how men are predators.
How much does your agency pay you to sit online all day and pretend to have meltdowns?
Comrade is very clearly a paid agent.
@Fred McGriff HR IDK, what do you ‘think’ Bauer did?
@thelegendaryharambe
She said, he said, that’s what.
Update:
twitter.com/BauerOutage/status/1708904525724270659
@thelegendaryharambe
Saw it all yesterday, TB also put it on YouTube.
There are many on this thread, the ‘know it all’ posters who have egg on their face and should be ashamed. The Dodgers stand condemned for not having his back, why would Trevor want to pitch for that trashy organisation ever again?
Manfraud and MLB should be sued for all the money TB lost in wages, plus damages.
BlueSkiesLA
The most sanctimonious clueless commenter on this board with egg on his face. It’s not surprising though given the way the pathetic Dodgers treated Mr Bauer, and then they have a group like the sisters of perpetual indulgence at their games making a mockery and marginalising Christians.
A disgraceful organisation.
Your “cluelessness” has no peer.
BlueSkiesLA
I agree Mr Sanctimonious, you are “utterly clueless”, and you have egg all over your face.
youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk&t=8s
I just have to laugh at your arrogance and how wrong you are. You shall remain clueless.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
“He seems to be a narcissist and an assaulter”.
How’s this going for you “Blotto’? Maybe you were blotto when you posted what you posted. And yes, you were wrong as I said all along.
I have to laugh at people like you. You and others like you including BlueSkiesLA are a danger to society.
youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk&t=8s
MannyBeingMVP
How’s it going for you now? It didn’t age well, did it…
youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk&t=8s.
Comrade (is right) Tipsy and Blotto probably also right.
I think a name change is in order, more like Comrade Clueless.
Now what was it you said about Bauer? Supported by 24 others as well.
I bet you’ve got nothing to say now, as is the case with people like you when they’re proven and shown to be wrong.
My comment was mostly directed at implant and Comrade Tipsy. Calling him a predator and such.
Like it or not, no chance that any MLB team would have kept Bauer given what information was made public. And I think most of us knew that there was a good chance that this woman was out for money given the facts.
All that to say, Bauer is still not a guy you would want in your clubhouse but he should be given a chance to pitch again at the MLB level. He got a raw deal but all more reasons that you need to exercise better judgment. Heās not exactly blameless.
Remember this BlueSkiesLA guy talking about “fundamental facts”, oh the irony indeed, and he’s shown to be utterly and fundamentally clueless, yet he asserts he’s ‘educated’, that’s a lie as well.
All I see is dripping sanctimony and arrogance, and an inability to apologise for absolute conjecture and innuendo and a pack of lies told by a woman in an attempt to gain financially from a pro baseballer-Trevor Bauer.
I’d hate to see or know that any of these accusers would be on a jury, because imagine them talking about “fundamental facts” when they’re fundamentally flawed and have been shown to be totally incorrect and totally clueless. They deserve ridicule, because their assertions were not backed by one “fundamental” fact at all.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Really? Who is the “most of us” that you speak of, given the fact that this page is full of a lynch mob acting on conjecture and innuendo like most social media these days. People on here calling others “clueless”, when in fact it is they that are clueless and devoid of any facts. The irony of it all.
The people that said that it wasn’t fact & defended Bauer were branded ‘woman haters’, “clueless”, and Bauer was branded as a pos, lost his job, lost wages, damaged his ability to obtain employment elsewhere in MLB. You’re even attempting to assert “he wasn’t blameless”, is that some sort of deflection on your behalf? If he committed no crime, he is blameless-fact, because everything she has had to say on the matter is a pack of lies, it was all about attempting to entrap him to gain financially.
Good day.
Iād think even those vehemently arguing against Bauer deep inside knew that this girl potentially was out for money given her actions. Would they have admitted to that? Probably not.
My point on Bauer is just because someone tells you itās fine to do something or just because you can do something doesnāt mean you should. Bad decisions. Youāre a well-known professional athlete with a lot to lose. Look, there are plenty of incidents in his lifetime that show you that this guyās judgment is not the best. Iām curious to see how this plays out for 2024 season, and hope he gets to pitch for someone next season.
Everyone wants him to get a chance with an MLB team next season but not theirs. Same with that punter.
Well, even if I wanted him to pitch for the Dodgers we all know that itās not happening. Iād think it is a mutual decision.
There is still a lot of baggage and potential down the road to blow something up. He obviously still has risks and potential to negatively impact clubhouse. And we havenāt even talked about pitching. Obviously potential to be a very good frontline starter but at what cost? Financial and intangibles.
Why would he not pitch for the Dodgers who he grew up a fan of and who win their division every year (2021 notwithstanding) and have won 100 games the last 4 full seasons in a row and 5 of the last 6 if they are willing to pay him more than everyone else? And it’s not like he would cost much.
Update again:
youtube.com/watch?v=w9ecxebb3_I
Paid Shady Disinformation Agent, pushing nefarious agendas.
Comrade is, that is.
I suspect he does the opposite. Out of baseball for a full year with a huge ego? No evidence but I suspect his ego had him half heartedly working out…and thinking he will just walk into the NPB and smash the competition. Could care less what he does, but will not be surprised if this is the last we hear of Bauer.
Gerritt Cole sends his regards.
So what you’re saying is you do care. Is it an American expression to say you could care less instead of you couldn’t care less?
@believe
I bypass all that. I say ‘who G!vesASh!t?’
Have a great 2023 season!
Clepto…
I would’ve loved to give Trev a tryout with the Yanks. Gerrit Cole can shove his regards.
Yep! If the MLB owners can get out of Mansfield’s arse he’ll be back in the MLB by next season.
Nice!
Heāll be back, just not on either coast. The dude is too good.
Makes sense. MLB traditionally has a short memory. Maybe in a year or two, some team wonāt resist the temptation.
I think heās done in MLB. Too much drama, too much narcissism and ego. Nobody really likes the guy. Thereās not a team in the majors that will even sign him for league minimum.
DrDan, that he is a narcissist has nothing to do with why he’s not in MLB , he’s a predator and disgusting creep
@agnes gooch
Do you know Mr. Bauer personally? Because if not, I’m curious how you came to the conclusion he’s a predator and disgusting creep? He was found guilty of nothing. He did nothing wrong and his accuser is a liar.
He pissed off both the public and the league executives with his behavior. There are a couple fanbases that clearly don’t care about players assaulting women, after a couple years they would probably pick him up… but there’s a good chance stuff like scratching 9/11 conspiracy theories into the mound dirt and going to the media about pitcher’s using foreign substances has gotten him blackballed by owners.
I guess he’s like a bizarro Colin Kaepernick?
nypost.com/2021/07/01/photos-new-text-messages-rev…
Setzer: I guess literally all of us are predators and scumbags then, right? Because we TOO, just like Trevor, have not been arrested, charged, tried, and convicted.
Too much not taking any responsibility for his actions. This in the end is what makes him radioactive. Plenty of other players have rehabilitated themselves after violating the policy, and they did it by taking ownership of what they’d done. Bauer isn’t made that way.
@BlueSkiesLA
Found guilty of absolutely nothing, but according to you, “Too much not taking any responsibility for his actions.”
Fred
You think he would have been handed the longest suspension ever for no reason?
This guy had warning signs all over before these accusations came to light. His trolling/harassment of the coed – going through her twitter history to find then expose her having a few drinks before she was 21 hardly smacks of a well grounded adult.
That spring training with the Dodgers he was bragging about how he ” closed one eye while pitching ” to hitters to ” challenge “himself. Who does that- ZERO regard for the possibility of causing a career ending injury to the hitters he faced. ( Just 2 examples of his narcissistic behavior prior to what got him suspended )
This guy is toxic, and needs to spend many long hours in therapy. He needs help but I doubt he will ever own up to that and seek it.
As for the abuse – where there is smoke there is fire. He was not prosecuted because when dealing with a case such as this where you have the nuance of the lifestyle and what was agreed upon and what pushed past limits, the lack of understanding of that by at least One jury member made it a risky case to prosecute. Prosecutors will only take on a case with a high degree of certainty of getting a prosecution.
The Dodgers ignored the warning signs and paid the price- literally. I doubt any other MLB time will ever make that mistake again unless Bauer grows up and shows he can be a stable professional and not a ticking time bomb for the next PR nightmare.
Once again utterly without a clue.
@BlueSkies LA
You keep talking about people being “clueless” in your condescending way, yet I am still waiting for your one fact and why he isn’t in jail. Come on man, show your supreme intelligence and prove how ‘adroit’ and cluey you are. You aren’t.
@MarkoRock688
“Fred
You think he would have been handed the longest suspension ever for no reason?”
Yes, the reputation of MLB has to be protected at all costs, and Manfred had the power to do what he did.. Bauer involved himself in a crazy activity, he’s showed zero common sense.
Accusations by women are very powerful. Manfred has to be seen, and had to be seen to be protecting the sport and also protecting women, so yes, that’s the reason why Manfred made an example of Bauer.
Why has he been re-instated by an independent arbitrator after appealing his suspension? Manfred wanted a longer suspension, and in fact he’s quite happy that Bauer is not in MLB. You are clueless. Accusations are very powerful. I’ve seen these cases before in other sports where accusations where made against a player and he was rubbed out for more than a year. When it went to court eventually the player was found not guilty of the accusations made against him-he was accused of having sex without consent.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire you assert, that sounds like really hard facts and solid evidence right there.
Again, I am not defending whatever you allege what Bauer involved himself in. You and others like you think that what Bauer was involved in is some sort of isolated incident when this sort of activity happens on a regular basis with plenty of guys and plenty of women who agree to get their ‘kicks’ this way.
Clueless BlueSkies, see WillieMaysHayes24 comment down below and tell him he is ‘clueless’ in your dripping with arrogance and sanctimonious style. You’re the only person here with clues.
I’m still waiting for your one fact, and why you haven’t called the prosecutors office to assist them putting Bauer in jail for participating in strange activities.
Fred
The fact you immediately resort to “clueless” says a lot. I am fully aware many people are involved in the D/s and S&M lifestyle all over the planet and likely know more about the subject then you.
You are a prime example as to why prosecutors would be very hesitant to bring charges in a case like this. As I previously stated all it would take is one juror who does not understand the concept of limits and a safe word to make conviction difficult.
1- MLB would not have imposed the strictest suspension ever without ample evidence of wrong doing. No it may not meet the prosecution standard for a number of reasons . However to think he did know wrong is only guilty of poor decision making is highlighting your ignorance of the subject matter.
2-How many other women are out there who fell victim to his going overboard that we do not know about. Maybe they don’t want people like you victim blaming and ruining their reputation. There are many levels to this lifestyle from “spanking ” to light bondage to hardcore S&M. Many self righteous people out there in society lump it all into one ” unsavory activity ” category.
3- I saw you mention video evidence- what world do you live. When has a victim ever said stop the assault I need to make a video .
4- Bauer showed ample evidence of his narcissistic personality prior to this . The warning signs were there. NO MLB team would risk the PR nightmare of taking him on now and then having a reoccurrence . The guy is toxic and rightly so.
5- Any high profile person engaging in this sort of lifestyle who had an adult level of maturity and intellect would know he /she risked being extorted and they would have a very well written BDSM contract between himself and the submissive put in place.
6- Before you label someone “clueless” I suggest you do some research on the subject matter otherwise you come across as an ignorant fool defending a toxic man child. You comparing this case to a random accusation of assault in some hotel room shows that you are the one who is actually clueless.
MarkoRock688 seconds ago
Fred
The fact you immediately resort to ācluelessā says a lot. I am fully aware many people are involved in the D/s and S&M lifestyle all over the planet and likely know more about the subject then you.
Beg your pardon? Did you even bother to see who made the “clueless” comment. Your arrogance and sanctimony is breathtaking. I am not even going to bother with you given the fact you didn’t have the decency and can’t have read the thread to see who made the initial “clueless’ comment. Your wilful ignorance says it all.
Fred
Go re-read your initial reply to me. You clearly make the clueless insult. You call out BlueSky for saying you are clueless and arrogant then you turn around and call me clueless and arrogant. Your hypocrisy knows know limits. You sir are a joke.
Clueless is as clueless does. Explanations go nowhere with you. So far you’ve ignored all of them and continued to rant on like you know something. Which, you prove over and over, that you don’t. So why should anyone waste any more time when you constantly show that you’re completely dialed out on this?
You made the initial “clueless” comment, that’s a fact-but here you are trying to assert I made the initial comment, you must be wearing your tinfoil hat again, or you’re just plainly loose with the truth..
And you are yet to provide one fact about Bauer’s case. You are dripping with condescension and sanctimony in this matter, but above all, you can’t provide one fact about why Bauer isn’t in jail, and according to you it’s ok for CEO’s or Commissioners of a sport in this case to hand out arbitrary sentences based on ‘policies’ ignoring any facts of the matter. Justice for me, but not for thee. You are dripping with hypocrisy, and it will be impossible to remove it.
Fred
You have obviously never worked in a corporate environment. As part of many employment contracts with large companies there is a conduct component to it.
To make it simple- if you do something to violate these standards then they have the right to terminate your employment. It is obvious to anyone with a lick of logic that 1. MLB would not have handed down the longest suspension ever without cause, 2- If there were not sufficient cause then MLBPA would have been all over it. In cases like this with violence and a he-she said there is a very high standard to obtain a criminal conviction. Any owner of any company has the right to have standards that do not meet criminal conviction standard but does go beyond widespread community standards.
Sorry that you do not have the experience of what many of us have had to agree to as part of employment contracts. Bauer is not some choir boy who had one incident of being “wrongly” accused. Anyone paying the least bit of attention to his antics leading up to his suspension could see he was a ticking time bomb and a potential PR nightmare. One of the reasons I did not want my Jays to sign him when he signed with the Dodgers.
MarkoRock68
In fact I have, and I am fully aware of all the different agendas within workplace policies.
You can continue all you like with “he violated company policy”. It is nothing more than unproven accusations. If you’re at a work party/function and you decide to escort or accompany someone to their residence because they were drunk or inebriated, and then they invited you into their residence for a cup of coffee, that person could very well accuse you of sexual assault and you have no way of proving that you didn’t.
In this current environment the weight of a woman’s accusation will 99 times out of 100 be higher than anything you have to say,
I can give you numerous examples of this.
You assert you have “experience”, well obviously you can’t have too much “experience” to be so ignorant that CEO’s within companies just want what is termed as ’embarrassing’ situations to just go away, and in Bauer’s case, Manfred made sure that the matter went away by handing Bauer the ‘sentence’ and suspension he did, and there wasn’t a thing Bauer could do about it.
If you are not clueless, you are ignorant to what occurs in corporate entities, and your posts here prove it, yet you claim to be ‘experienced’ within the corporate environment.
Again, if you want me to give you examples where people have been terminated for alleged misconduct or allegations of a sexual nature I can provide you with plenty.
By the way, I have never asserted that Bauer did not involve himself in strange or wicked activities, but there you go talking about his “antics”, being a “ticking time-bomb”, and that he had ‘previous incidents’, all of those things are irrelevant, and if these incidents that you refer to were as you say, then Manfred was negligent within MLB for not dealing with them, and why wasn’t he disciplined by his own club or by Manfred, or called to Manfred’s office for a meeting for all those previous ‘misdemeanors’ that you’re referring to. You don’t know what was consented to by the woman, and there’s a very good reason the police didn’t charge him.
If you think such policies are fair then there’s no hope for you. People can be terminated in a work environment for telling a joke due to ‘company policy’, I’ve seen this for myself. Furthermore, people can be disciplined or have salary reduced for many minor things, and unless you want to lose your job and then take action through the legal system there is very little you can do about it in most organisations.
Now you better bake that hummingbird cake.
Fred
You accuse people of being clueless arrogant and sanctimonious all the while exhibiting those 3 traits. Project much.
I will say one last thing- if you think past behavior is irrelevant then you truly are a naĆÆve to the way the world works. I tried using logic and reason to this which are obviously lost on you. If there was no evidence of wrongdoing there would never have been that lengthy suspension to begin with. No organization let alone MLB would risk a lawsuit worth 100s of millions to simple bar someone they disliked. OJ Simpson is a prime example of the high standard in criminal cases but it does not mean someone is completely guilt free of wrong doing. Sad that you do not get the basic logic as it applies to Bauer , nor do you get the difficulty women face in situations like this. ( Doubly so because it involved the BDSM lifestyle here people like you would have no clue about the fact there are levels of consent. You are obviously one of the ” she asked for it ” crowd and the others were all ” golddiggers”. The Coed on twitter “deserved to be trolled” and its cool to close an eye while throwing a 98mph fastball to a hitter to ” challenge ” yourself. If you can’t see Bauer is a narcissist who brought this on himself then you are a fool or one yourself.
This is pointless – you obviously are a fanboy of the Bauers, Fuentes and Tates of this world.
MarkoRock68
Once again here you are talking about “clueless”.
You have asserted that you’ve worked in the corporate world, yet you’re incapable of comprehending a thread in regard to who said what.
I will repeat it again slowly for you, BlueSkiesLA started off with the “clueless” statement, and you as the experienced corporate business world person keep repeating that lie. I have merely responded in kind to your nonsense and lies.
I haven’t been sanctimonious anywhere, on the contrary you are arrogant in the extreme, professing that such and such person can’t have worked in the corporate environment. You are also ignorant in regard to what occurs in the corporate work environments in respect of policies made up by human resource areas, ‘diversity’ officers, etc and mandated by CEO’s.
You continue to bring up the ‘past history’ of Bauer, the fact is you’ve talked about Bauer in regard to this-but what “past history” in regard to offences he has allegedly committed are you referring to.
Does he have a criminal record, can you provide video of all these incidents. No, you’re just repeating hearsay without one fact. He has no past history as you allege because he wasn’t previously charged or suspended for all the hearsay and conjecture you’re referring to, and that is exactly where you have the problem. The world you live in is one based on inferences, conjecture, speculation, and it is without fact. That’s the bigoted world in which you operate, ‘Mr Corporate business experienced man’. Your commentary on this matter is to be ridiculed.
Last but not least, Bauer is a “narcissist” according to you, whether he is or isn’t is again speculation on your behalf without one shred of being conclusive. It is obvious that you have allowed speculation, hearsay, inferences, and your personal hatred of Bauer to influence you & get in the way of your commentary. You also do not understand that whether Bauer possesses the traits that you’re inferring he does is entitled to justice just as you are, irrespective of your ridiculous speculation and biases, and not to be tried based on your speculation, the speculation of others, or media speculation. Mr experienced corporate world man, I just hope you are in no position of authority, because you would try someone based on hearsay and the basis of ‘where there’s smoke there’s fire’. Your reasoning is bankrupt in this matter and it is ludicrous in the extreme.
Do run along, I am sure you have a ‘corporate meeting’ to attend to where you can impart your speculations & bigotry, not facts.
Fred
Your ability to back peddle from your own words is truly astounding. Do be a good lad and careful re-read your own comments and you will see where you repeatedly use the word clueless in your reply to me.
Pertaining to Bauer’s past history the coed incident is not “hearsay” do a little google searching and you will find it. As will you Bauer’s own words with regard to closing one eye. Your choosing to stick your head in the sand is on you. As search skills seem to be another trait you are lacking google “Bauer harasses coed on twitter” and ” Bauer closes one eye while pitching” SI had an interesting article on it. He did it multiple times. And yes a persons past behavior is important when looking at their actions. If the La case was an isolated incident I would tend to give Bauer the benefit of doubt but it isn’t. His fanboys like you can gaslight all you want does not change the fact this he has a track record of both narcissistic and misogynistic behavior. ( As mentioned there are ample incidents of this ( not just the 2 i mention in example ) if you just pull your head out of the sand. )
If Bauer had a modicum of maturity and intelligence and wished to engage in the BDSM lifestyle as a wealthy high profile athlete he would have had a well written contract laying out exactly what the limits were and what was agreed to and signed by the submissive he was engaging with. . He would do this to cover himself against any sort of false accusation you and those like you claim he is a victim of. The fact he did not shows he was confident he could get away with anything and/or cover his tracks well. ( Likely because he had done so in the past. )
Finally the fact you think code of conduct and harassment rules in a companies employment T&C are an “agenda” shows exactly why you are a white knight for Bauer. Birds of a Feather as they say. Far more women have then assaulted and no charges ever laid then a man who has lost salary or his job because of false accusations.
I know guys like you wish we could go back to the good ole days of the 50s when men could get away with just about anything and women had to suffer in silence. I would say more but this is a sports site and I have wasted more then enough time .
I did not even mention the other 2 women who came forward and how many more may be out there and scared to come forward because of public ridicule from those with absolutely no understanding about the lifestyle judging the victims as “asking for it ” . How many may he have paid off and had signed NDAs . There is plenty we do not know that MLB was likely privy too. The entire point of all of this are 2 fold.
1- MLB had sufficient evidence to impose the suspension. A suspension that was never overturned just shortened.
2- Bauer has enough of a track record for “questionable” behavior ( I am being very generous ) that no MLB team would risk the PR nightmare if there were to be a repeat of past behavior.
These 2 things are not that hard to comprehend. A companies public image does impact their bottom line and they have every right to choose who they do and do not associate with,
maybe get a job. you know something so you dont write and write and defend some point to some one or many that you do not know.
The animal shelter. anything. you have used up all the words.
Calling people dripping? What do you care? Really care about here?
Hey Marko…
Bauer’s suspension was commuted. He’s eligible to play. So his longest suspension now takes a back seat to A-Rod’s 211-gamer. Must be a reason for that, eh? Regardless, he’s game eligible, right now.
“where there is smoke there is fire.”
Wrong!
BlueSkiesLA
Yes, we now know you are clueless, you were clueless, and you shall remain clueless.
There are a ton of players who love the guy. The only players who don’t are usually uptight jerks. And, narcissist? No. Different? Yeah. He’s confident because what he’s done has worked for him. The dude is legit a genius. The only reason he’s not playing is because he calls the MLB out and trolls them in regards to cheating, double standards, and they can’t take it.
Nah he’s done. If some MLB team wanted to sign him they would have done it already.
Disagree. I think a lot of teams just didn’t want to be the first to cross Mansfield. The guy has a huge following, and if he can show that he’s still got the tools, he’ll be back. I mean, as a Pirates fan, they’d be stupid not to take a flyer on him if his stuff works. And, I’ve watched a ton of his content… The stuff still works.
Jay,
I’m with you. I don’t like Bauer’s act, but for $700,000 I’m taking a flier.
Nah. Otherwise, Roberto Osuna would’ve been back in the league.
Aroldis Chapman has entered the chat.
Bauer, Osuna, and Chapman… it’s like a sliding scale of scumbags. I think the fanbase (minus Houston) has progressed beyond allowing Osuna types to continue their careers… still think they’ll look the other way for a Chapman, and I guess an Ozuna?
case….
yes. Osuna has outlived his usefulness. Chapman is on the way. If Bauer can pitch, I’d give him a shot.. Teams will look the other way.
@bronxmac77
now i’m not going to eliminate the possibility of trevor ever pitching in the mlb again, but unless he puts up stupid video game numbers i don’t see any team giving him a shot other than col. because he is such a head case. btw i’m not picking on col just there ownership and fo, it’s the blind leading the blind and i can see them going hold my beer get trevor on a 1 year deal then not trade him at the deadline.
Bonds, Rose and Clemens would like a word.
Signing with the DeNAYers? Guess it makes sense …
Get ready to learn Japanese, buddy!
Kenta Maeda need an interpreter. Wonder if Ichiro spoke english.
Ichiro speaks great English, he just pretends not to.
Wise man.
Ichiro can speak fluent English
hmmm Deshaun Watson Before his suspension, 24 civil lawsuits were filed on behalf of women alleging Watson sexually harassed or assaulted them during private massage appointments during his time with the Houston Texans. – gets traded and signs 5 yr $230M contract with Cleveland (suspended 11 games). Bauer – no charges, suspended 2 years and relegated to Japan – seems fair
There’s also a big difference between going to a spa and putting women in awkward situations asking for extras and beating the living piss out of a woman until she’s unconscious
You’re referring to the woman who went back for more and told him how much she enjoyed it in her text messages, correct?
Read the text messages…. they agreed on a “safe” word and he promptly choked the woman out in 7 seconds and beat her up. Why side with a scumbag?
Read his lawsuit. It has lots of specific details.
WillieMay
Your lack of understanding about the use of safe words and agreed upon limits in the lifestyle is a prime example why this case was not prosecuted . ( The risk of a jury member thinking consent for some violence meant it was ok to beat her unconscious. )
One, Watson didn’t go to a spa, the women came to him, often in his hotel rooms. Two, you have no idea what happened between Bauer and the alleged victim. I bet you thought those Duke lacrosse boys were guilty scumbags too. Thank God for due process.
The texts are the texts.. you donāt have to like it
Unlike the Duke lacrosse case, MLB had credible findings for them to suspend him.
@Bartolo
MLB had ‘credible’ findings that the police didn’t in order to sustain charges and a conviction. Interesting observations.
@fred when it comes to evidence depending on what kind of case it is i.e. criminal, civil, and ect. the level of credibility is different also we are talking apples to oranges when it comes to law of the land and private entities. mlb is a private entity with there own rules and those employed all sign contracts saying they will abide by them, one of them being the personal conduct clause that both owners and players agreed on. all the mlb has to do is show that the evidence they have gathered violates there rules and the marketability. which in all honesty is the root cause of all of this is trevor right now is a pr nightmare which will cost the mlb money in the short term and possibly the long term.
@Harry, the best part is that Bauer had literally used the MLB hate to develop his brand. The guys innocent of anything illegal and it’s questionable whether he broke league rules.
He’ll be back.
@bucsfan0004
Did you watch the morning after video where the accuser was laying very comfortably next to a sleeping Bauer with no marks on her and not in the least bit afraid or in a hurry to leave? Watson admitted to being in questionable situations. Bauer didn’t seem to break any law or even the league’s agreements. They simply don’t like him because he called them out on the cheating stuff, then intentionally cheated to show how easy it was, upset a few players who take themselves too seriously, and trolls the powers that be.
As a fellow Pirates fan I wish we would have taken a chance on him. No current Pirates players have any beef with the guy and the are a ton of young players who’ve said he was the one to help them develop.
No actual proof of anything illegal. A very good pitcher who’s quirky, but also a good teammate according to multiple pitchers and guys from Cleveland. And, we’re a city that stuck with guys like Ben, gave Vick a chance, looked past Dave Parker’s coke use, Bonds attitude, Lemieux and others getting into spotty situations. The fans in Pittsburgh would probably embrace this dude.
This reply isn’t just to you, but to anyone saying that he’s done in the MLB.
bucsfan…
actually, the spa thing is worse. just my opinion.
To be fair, no Major League Baseball teams signed Watson either.
Heck, Watson was barely signed by an NFL team.
Monkey… Watson barely got $230 million guaranteed.
MLB actually has morals clause built into the CBAā¦.thank you!
No player has ever had his contract voided/pay withheld based on that clause.
Really? Wasn’t Bauer’s suspension without pay? If he was playing in MLB this year, part of it would be w/o pay as he owed the Dodgers for pay he received until the decision came down.
Never had his contract voided/pay withheld beyond what he loses from the suspension. Padres still had to pay Olivera. Phillies still had to pay Herrera. Rockies still had to pay Reyes. Braves still have to pay Ozuna.
Making blanket statements are so stupid. Vazquez’s contract was voided, and that situation was rather recent, too. Smh
Vazquez’s contract wasn’t voided. In fact, he is still administratively a member of the Pirates organization. He isn’t getting paid because he’s on the restricted list but he’s still technically a Pirate. Which is odd because the guaranteed portion of his contract expired after 2021. I have a theory as to why he is still technically a Pirate but I’m not sure it is true and don’t want people repeating it if it isn’t.
It would truly be a shame to tarnish the reputation of well-known baseball insider thelegendaryharambe.
Leave the snark to those of us who are good at it buddy.
The suspension was for the morals clause violation.
stymee…
Bauer was suspended WITH pay.
I would never use the NFL as a comparison on any issue related to morals or ethics. Their track record is awful, and because fans havenāt punished them, they donāt change.
Aren’t they the people that sent an army of lawyers to try and convince juries that concussions don’t cause any long term damage?
Not sure why people bend over backwards to defend Bauer. Watson and the NFL is absurdly irrelevant to the situation here. Unless you think football and baseball are run by the same people? Also, “no charges” is also 100% irrelevant when it comes to how a private entity like MLB disciplines its employees. Charges are a legal term.
Are there “charges” when someone like Robinson Cano gets suspended for PEDs? Give your head a shake and maybe find a different hobby besides white-knighting for Trevor Bauer. He can (and does) fight his own battles.
Guess there’s a big difference in how MLB and NFL treat situations like these. Sounds like Watson got off much too easily. Sexual harassment/assault should not be an offense that is taken lightly.
Nobody should care about either, but society has stooped to the level of gossiping on everyone’s private life. What ever happened to “what goes on at home stays at home?”
Tawny Kitaen flat out lied about Chuck Finley, so I’m not quick to assume the guy is always wrong in a He-said-she-said.
But when it’s she-said-another-she-said, another-she-said and physical evidence…. I believe.
Same
Indeed. The selfie video of the accuser, laying next to Bauer, with a huge smile on her face after one of the alledged incidents occured (not even going to mention the texts that it has been shown she sent him afterwards as well).
You clearly understand the situation, many here donāt or choose not to. The ābelieve all womanā crowd are easily influenced, I suppose.
Three woman came out against Bauer. So againā¦. He said, she said, she said, she said and physical evidence.
A woman can lie just as easily as a man, but we are talking about three women and physical evidence.
Each less convincing than the last.
And all more convincing than Bauer. He picked up a girl on Tik Toc. What idiot does that?
A lot of them actually. If you don’t like it don’t do it.
So youāre telling me that when one woman came forward against a millionaire and got a fat settlement other women came forward too? Shocking.
It happened in Cleveland. And if that was the case, a woman got a fat settlement, what idiot would pick up a girl on social media LA and have rough sex?
You people are nuts.
HaloFan…
Lots of idiots. Female idiots too.
You mean the selfie video with the meta data deleted? We have no idea when that video was from because conveniently all the electronic data that would show not only when but where was deleted from the file. There was a reason that video was not entered into evidence and was only shared on social media.
Yea, the selfie video lawyers told him not to release because it proves nothing and would only convince his dimwit fan base. Shockingly, not a lot of behavioral psychologists in his twitter following.
He beat up a woman. Cleveland, claimed his rough sex was consensual, had a restraining order filed against him, and then picks up with an instagram girl and does the same thing. He has never denied he has hurt these woman while having sex. Just that hurting them was consensual. .
The best case scenario is heās a sick SOB, and is even dumber than he is sick. Thatās the best case scenario.
Did anyone see that video of the accuser at the Morgan Wallen concert. Seems like a nice, well adjusted lady.
get ready to learn japanese buddy
Ata boy!
He’s allowed to sign for more than the minimum? Why don’t more released players go to Japan?
Players don’t speak Japanese and the benefits that the US teams bring like the unlimited buffets or the private travel is a plus. Hard going somewhere when you dont speak the language and are not used to the customs of that native country
I’d rather have the 3 million extra cash over unlimited buffets. Many Japanese speak English as well. Not like you have much down time as a professional baseball player.
Most players who are released aren’t worth much more than minimum salary.
Doesn’t Japan have a ceiling on how many Americans can play in their leagues? I know they did years ago.
Yeah, you can only have 4 foreign players on your active roster (max 3 position players, max 3 pitchers.) It’s a major limiting factor.
Service time. Player benefits after they retire are based on service time which you have to be on an active roster or IL to accumulate. Getting to 10 years gets you fully vested. A player with more than 10 years service, that could make sense.
You can say that again. Maybe rephrase somewhat for kicks!
Service time. The benefits players get in retirement are based off of it. Get 10 years service time and you are fully vested, but you have to be on an active roster or IL to accumulate. For a player with 10+ years, it would make sense for.
Well itās a pretty long drive from LA to Japan.
So if he signed with a MLB team would’ve the money been offset for the Dodgers? But since he signed with the NPB he still gets his 102million + 4million? Also im curious to whether this will go thru or the league and team will feel pressure to cut him.
Dodgers would have paid all but league minimum. He gets his money minus suspension if he plays mlb japan or sits at home.
Nice! He is off the entire continent. Laws in Japan are much stricter when it comes to his violence fetish. Should be interesting.
Having played the Yakuza games, Iām well informed that thereās a very large swath of things that while technically illegal are culturally tolerated.
(And lived in Japan for a few years, too)
If you are willing to get in with the criminal underground there are certainly things that are “culturally tolerated”. The same is true in the US.
As a baseball player for the NPB there is no toleration. The level of scrutiny of players there is overwhelming. He would not be allowed to get on social media or YouTube and verbally abuse others as he often did here. Showing respect for your opponent and others is expected and his behavior while playing in the US will not be tolerated by teams there.
They also don’t have to allow the player arbitration to see if a suspension is justified. If he is suspended he would just be done as a player.
If he is accused again of sexual assault, the burden of proof in Japan different. It must go to trial there instead of a DA in the US deciding its a “he said, she said” situation and deciding not to press changes. Since the complete overhaul of the sexual assault laws in Japan in 2017, courts there convict men in this type of case at a higher rate than they even go to court in the US. In the US less than 10% are brought to trial. Its a different culture entirely. His only chance there would be the settlement system that allows wealthy people to avoid much of criminal punishment while paying large fines or settlement. At the very least his career would be over in Japan.
Nonsense! Iāve set Saekoās job to night queen and she beats people all the time.
Sheās still out here questing though.
I don’t think he gets that you are talking about a video game.
Now I have something to root for in the NBP!! I don’t think Bauer lasts the year bc he doesn’t have the maturity nor insight to stay out of trouble. The social and cultural differences are going to tank him. Best case scenario he gets caught doing something bad and prosecution will almost certainly happen…nothing says fun like bringing shame to your ball club in Japan.
I wonder what the Baystars fans think of this?
wow
Mr. Baseball.
Soxshortstop has a point.
Seemed likely this would be the outcome. If he had ever shown a morsel of appreciation for how abherrent the behavior is, he might have been able to latch on in mlb. Guess he hopes he will dominate in Japan, no pun intended….still seems a stretch to think one year on all will be ok stateside. He’s minimally a PR catastrophe in the making.
MLB suspended Bauer, he was essentially banished from the league and his name has been forever tarnished, yet the DA rejected the case outright. Not that he wasnāt found guilty by a jury; but after an extraordinarily thorough investigation the case was flat out rejected. Let that sink in.
He said/she said cases are the ones most often tossed. Barring physical evidence, it puts a jury in an impossible position.
I am not an apologist for Bauer but I read an article that explained Bauer can’t apologize whether he wants to or not because it could compromise his position in several pending lawsuits. In that context, it is understandable why he acts unrepentant.
I pretty certain the only lawsuits still pending are the ones he filed himself, and I believe one countersuit. That said he could certainly issue a statement accepting the findings of the commissioner and the arbitrator since they are now completely of record.
False. The law the joint policy are completely different things, a simple fact that some simply refuse to accept.
Bauer heard the evidence that MLB had against him, as did an arbitrator. The arbitrator felt the longest suspension in league history was warrented. Bauer has been fairly quiet, since. Let that sink in.
Remember people: MLB also considered his previous history of online misogyny and bullying. In addition, he would often incite his hundreds of thousands of twitter heads to go all vitriolic (including death and R A P E threats) against women who were critical of him.
stymeedone: So your thinking is that there’s zero chance that, like the commissioner, and the legal system in general, the arbitrator was not corrupt, and was not payola’d / ordered to make a certain ruling?
You don’t have any clue how multi-billion-dollar corporations that are intimately intertwined with Big Government work, clearly.
A cop wrote it down in some “report”, so it must be true! A judge allowed it in some court, so it must be true! Some random “arbitrator” concluded it, so it must be true!
It must be cozy and snuggly and safe living in your world and mind.
Do the Dodgers get to shave off 3 million from their tax total?
I thought about this a little more. The real question is do the Dodgers get to shave 3 million off what they owe Bauer this season?
I donāt believe so. Since itās outside the MLB, and it wouldāve been only the league minimum within the MLB, I believe theyāre still on hook for all of it.
Correct. The Dodgers get nothing from this.
No they do not.
It makes sense for him. He goes away for a year, keeps his skills up, and there’s a decent chance he will be back on a MLB roster in 2024. Not certain of course, but some of the radioactivity may have worn off. He has no real alternatives right now, anywhay.
He just has to avoid doing or saying anything stupid over the next year, and he MIGHT have a shot at returning to MLB next year. My money says he doesnāt have it in him.
This actually pays him the most because he is getting paid by the dodgers. Mlb teams could only sign him to the min league amount this year. While he will get an additional 4m from playing in Japan.
Really good point.
Heās actually coming out ahead by not playing Major League Baseball
Interesting to see how this plays out. Maybe a culture change will do Bauer some good
Exactly!!
The insinuation that heās not getting a second chance because heās white is absolutely ludicrous. Perhaps most MLB teams donāt want to sign him on the Dodgersā dime, because then theyāre saying that the organization that knows the most about this situation should not have released him.
Agreed. Could it be that he’s not getting a second chance becuase of:
1. this incident
2. he’s been labeled as a clubhouse cancer and some players have made it known they wouldn’t want him in the clubhouse
3. He’s been labeled as uncoachable
4. Due to the SJW nature of the world we live in, Teams don’t want the negative press.
Anyone who says it’s becuase of his skin tone is huffing some pretty industrial strength glue.
5. He had a large social media platform that he constantly used to criticise the organisation that was providing him an opportunity to earn tens of millions.
Maybe he will now learn to appreciate what he had.
Very true. IMO, that’s why Manfred went after him with a vengance. It was Bauer, aftter all that brought up the “sticky stuff” issue with Manfred and was quite vocal about it trying to get MLB to look into it.
Quite honestly, in doing those videos, he made Manfred look bad (which really isn’t that hard to do).
Either way, the videos that Bauer did do make you stop and think.
No brainer for me. Bauer made it personal.
Bauer lost.
Conversely, I think Manfred took it personal rather than doing anything about it. Either way, you’re right, Bauer lost (even though he was right about the spider tack).
I think the lesson here is, if you are going to throw punches at someone with more power than you, you better not give them an opportunity to land one on your chin and knock you out.
Agreed. I believe that’s the root of the duration of Bauer’s suspension. Once Manfred had a chance to go after him, he weent after it like Kyle Schwarber on a BP Fastball..
In retrospect, Bauer should’ve just made his point, perhaps in a private ltter to Manfred, then touched on it on social mediaq, then say back and shut up. Once everything went down with the substances, he could have tactfully expressed the “I told you so” and gotr his staisfaction. I bet if he did that, the suspension would not have been as long and maybe his fate would have been more long the lines of what we have seen recently involving other players. Again, just speculation on my part.
The policy was jointly created by the owners and the players, and it was followed to the letter. So there was no “vengeance,” just implementation.
lol at the Schwarber reference.
There was lots of bullets fired. From memory, there was the merchandising blow up where he wore an inflammatory t-shirt to his press conference. The intro dialogue that bagged out Kenny Rosenthal and ran down his journalism skills. He opened every video he released with that for about 12 months. Toxic way to go about things.
. The truth is that Bauer has always been very difficult and hard headed. Itās come to the point where the baggage isnāt worth keeping him around. For now anyway.
Bauer is a total wildcard. You never know what heās going to do next & he hasnāt clearly hasnāt resolved this issue to an acceptable point to any MLB clubs.
Heāll go make Pennies on the dollar In Japan for a long time if he wants. 4MM isnāt a bad chunk of change if he has no intention of swallowing his pride here.
>the SJW nature of the world
Another trog complaining about accountability.
There’s accountability and there’s insanity. Believe all women and going after people’s livelihoods without due process are great examples of liberal insanity.
Itās funny. Mlbtr didnāt close the comments on this Bauer post, and the ensuing arguments are precisely as toxic and pointlessly meandering as we all couldāve expected lol
You don’t have to read them.
wow, some come backer!
I find the comments to be pretty inoffensive. I see stuff just as bad on other threads with regularity.
But it does draw the troglodytes and slime balls out of their crevices under the rocks so you can mute them forever.
One of the funniest Andrew Friedman blunders ever. And there are many.
I applaud Dodger management for kicking this scumbag to the curb!
But you’re happy with keeping Scarface?
I can’t even imagine how hard he’s going to tear up that league with him spinning that little baseball, he’ll tear them up. He was unjustly penalized here. Unless you’ve committed a crime, M.L.B should have no say in the matter. I think the real reason was he blew the whistle on the tacky substances, and boy did Cole go down among others. You blow the whistle on the cheating here, your going to be ostracized to the point you have to leave..
All employers will look into and punish behavior or anything else that they feel tarnishes their business. Some places, like MLB, have unions that will speak up if they see that a player is being treated unjustly. If you think the union hasnāt seen Bauers case, and still had chose not to act against the mlb for it, youād be wrong. Whether Bauer defenders want to admit it or not, his actions, while going to trial or not, shed a bad light. It also may not have gone to trial, but that doesnāt mean they donāt have enough evidence on their end to show that he broke one or more policies. And thatās also likely why the MLBPA has not stepped in on his behalf to say that heās been treated unjustly.
But the point is, employers, likely even your own, have written language that makes it so that they can punish you if they feel what you say or the way you act, creates a bad image for their business. Iāve seen people punished for posts on their Facebook before. Whether or not he broke the law has little to do with anything when it comes to the punishment he was served, or the fact that MLB teams didnāt want to sign him. Theyāre protecting their brand.
The MLBPA did not even represent him in the arbitration hearing regarding his suspension. That is unprecedented. It speaks volumes to what evidence MLB does have and in how low of regard Bauer is held by other players and the union.
I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but sometimes (most time, actually), things are just as they are. This is one of those times. He publicly had a sexual encounter of a “kinky” nature, and was interrupted by the police. Most employers are going to look very poorly at such behavior.
“Interrupted by police.” Bruh you sure you know what actually happened?
No sticky stuff. He sucks without it, In the seasons he didn’t use sticky stuff on every pitch he has a 4.97 ERA.
Excited for the vlogs.
I wish all MLB teams took DV cases as seriously as Bauer’s. Aroldis Chapman still got a contract this winter, Marcell Ozuna will get paid $19 million in 2023, and Mike Clevinger’s case took less than three months even though Bauer’s investigation took over a year. Arguably all three had more evidence against them than Bauer did.
Donāt forget the cubs riding out Addison Russellās contract, The Asterisks and Roberto Osuna, etc.
To be fair Bauer will also get every penny of his contract minus whatever he lost from the suspension. I honestly don’t know how Clevinger wasn’t punished.
The fact that Clevinger’s case took less than three months to investigate bothers me more than the fact he wasn’t punished. There’s no way MLB could have done that thorough of an investigation that quickly and came up with a resolution that quickly unless it was 100% blatantly false.
Their personal life IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. NONE. If a crime has been committed, they should be charged. Otherwise live your life and stop being such a judgmental f-head.
No, man. Thatās not how the world works. āPersonal lifeā doesnāt include the right to abuse others. We all have a responsibility to react to abuse.
@holden The fact that heās a āpublic figureā also means that his personal life is likely going to find its way under a microscope anyhow. The more recognizable you are on the streets, the less of a personal life youāre going to have. Most of us can walk down a street even where we live and not be recognized. But if youāre a public figure, your personal life is going to take a hit based on how many people recognize you at any given time.
@mlb1225
Well done on figuring that out on Your own.
Hey curveball, his online social media presence is full of all kinds of misogynistic, hateful, oppressive gems. He chose to make that public. So quit defending this piece of crap.
DYK: that the same woman who accused Bauer of these things also had relationships with Clevinger and Tatis? I didn’t until i read the LA Times story about the restraining order on april 17th. Sad but Interesting read. I don’t know what happened but certainly makes you question the validity to her claims and I can understand why a DA didn’t press charges.
One thing is certain.. Felipe is in jail for at least a few more years.
@joew The most recent woman definitely was questionable, but what people fail to realize in Bauers case, is that his punishment from MLB and their investigation wasnāt based solely on that incident. He had other accusers, and since MLBs investigation wasnāt a criminal one, they were able to look at information/incidents/behavior trends in a way that a criminal investigation wouldnāt have been able to. Bauer more than likely walked himself into a trap in the most public incident, but his problem is that because of his past, he made himself an easy target.
@brewsijgblue iirc, didn’t a woman in Cincy file a restraining order against him at one point?
I am sure the criminal investigation looked at them and if there was a jury trial that it would have been brought up if the judge allows while not evidence it sets a pattern… I doubt the prosecution would want that because at least the one from Ohio looks even more questionable to me (from my almost no research). I think there were a couple others who popped up in Ohio and went away for whatever reason. could be making that up. Kind of makes you wish there was a trial so that it would be more definitive on the situation.
I think that is far as I want to take this thread though so no one gets in trouble haha. Safe to say whatever did or did not happen, Trevor put him self in the situation and that is bad for the League
but you know.. just like my opinion man.
If Trevor Bauer didnāt think he was the smartest guy in every room he walked inā¦ he wouldāve been under contract on a 6+ year deal like every other top pitcher. the Dodgers mightāve not swallowed the release pill so easilyā¦.
Cost him a Cole like deal and a couple hundred million dollars.
Based Japan not kowtowing to the holier-than-thou faux outrage mob.
Bauer is what’s known as depraved, though likely far from the worst ways. But nonetheless, he’s lacking some scruples. Regardless of your opinion about MLB’s decision, it seems like some of his teammates also didn’t want him around. He’s not good a fit for an MLB team at this point.
I’m not pretending to be disgusted by him, but it’s telling that your perspective is so warped to think that people would have to be faking a strong dislike for someone who committed violent sexual acts against women. That should be your default reaction.
Should be pitching in the states.
Turnoffthetv– maybe turn of the youtube instead. He could be pitching in the states but his actions were the cause of his unemployment stateside. Even when he was merely a misogynistic bully that harassed women online on a weekly basis, he still had regular employment.
I think he better behave over there..my understanding is in Japan in all sports, you step out of line even a bit, the team will come down on you like a ton of bricks:)
Did mlb blacklist him or did he just want the extra 3 million? Seems like mlb didn’t want him but the extra money and the mega exposure to a new market is a smart financial move.
He may have ended up there getting more money because they blacklisted him
Maybe he blacklisted himself by his behavior. Public relations nightmares don’t need to be blacklisted. They become unhireable on their own.
Could be. Public relation nightmares usually don’t last long. Especially if he went to Tampa Pittsburgh vs NY LA. Fans just want their team to win. They cheered for people far worse than this guy.
Don’t blame teams. Even before the allegations many found him to be annoying and unlikable.
Stymeedone is correct. He blacklisted himself. When the #MeToo movement went after some of the worst perpetrators of sexual harrasment/assault, would you say those people were blacklisted by the industry they were employed in? No, their own actions were the cause of their inability to keep up their previous level of employment.
Who exactly is worse than this guy?
People who were actually charged and convicted of crimes?
The aforementioned Felipe Vazquez.
Vazquez isn’t playing and never will again.
“Fans just want their team to win. They cheered for people far worse than this guy.”
So, what specific players are worse than Bauer and continued to play after they were suspended?
That wasn’t what you asked. You asked “Who exactly is worse than this guy?”
But among players who are still playing, Marcell Ozuna.
He was never convicted of a crime either. He has not had a restraining order filed against him let alone have 2 outstanding. There was one accuser, not a history of activity.
Genesis Guzman is still married to Ozuna. In May of 2020 she was arrested for assaulting him with a glass soap dish. One year later he was arrested for domestic battery against her. Again, they are still together. Guess she doesn’t think he is worse.
Can you read what is in quotes? Wait. Don’t answer that. You will try to attack me or try to change the subject.
You don’t get to move the goalposts just because I was able to answer your leading question.
And LH came back for seconds with Bauer, as did MR. Sounds like they really hated it lol.
You are the only one that ever tries to move the goalposts.
You didn’t give an answer to MY question. Still haven’t. Neither has YourGM.
Who or what is LH and MR?
Moving the goalposts is your game my guy. First you ask “Who exactly is worse than this guy?” then when I give you an answer you’re like “No! I meant who is still playing who is worse than Vazquez!?” Which you didn’t stipulate the first part in your original question. And even after that I still was able to answer it.
LH and MR are two of the accusers’ initials. I won’t post their real names because I ain’t trying to get banned.
“Who exactly is worse than this guy?” I’m not moving any goalposts, that’s what you said. And this site and others are iffy on people using her name regardless of it being public record and regardless of her not exactly trying to hide it anymore.
Honest question, do they allow sticky tack in NPB? If so, he is going to decimate.
I believe it is un-regulated there.
None whatsoever. The penalties are stiff if you are caught using it too.
Altuve’s
Q: Does NPB allow sticky tack?
This was the most interesting post in the entire thread
A: No. And the penalties for being caught using it are severe. As severe as PED violations in MLB.
The Mizuno ball they use is slightly smaller and has higher seams so it’s easier to grip than the MLB ball.
Like many people, I am torn about Trevor Bauer. No doubt he was and is abrasive, but he did deliver. He also showed people how pitchers were increasing spin rates. He may have been responsible for the crackdown on “foreign substances” due to his complaints about it and showing how he could increase his spin rate,. That probably made him no friends in any bullpens or in MLB itself.
I can also see how he could be problematic in the clubhouse due to his abrasive and acerbic personality. He sure seemed to tick off the Commissioner much more than Marcell Ozuna did with his actions– which were allegedly witnessed by uniformed LEO and led to charges that were later dropped.
As for his personal life, I have no comment as I know no details other than news stories I have read that said he was not charged.
I would not be surprised if Bauer makes it back to MLB in a couple of years. I also would not be surprised if he does not. He is one polarizing individual.
Feminists and SJW cyberbullies ruined his career. It sucks, but it is what it is.
Thatās a load of crap. He ruined his own career through his own actions. Bauer isnāt a martyr or a victim, heās an entitled manbaby douchebag who got his comeuppance.
The man babies live among us, and thatās the really scary part.
Won’t be long before he’s a MLB pitching coach.
and?
NPB
That is a pretty vague response could mean many comments. Maybe use a name when calling someone out.
He can take day trips to Thailand. Only baseball this enigma playing in USA will be video.
I honestly expected Japanese clubs would probably steer clear of Bauer as well and he’d end up in the Korean league if he wasn’t too proud to just not play at all and spend endless time pursuing lawsuits.
It’ll be interesting how he adapts and what kind of reputation he has overseas.
Bruh, where did my “CYA BOZO” comment go? What was wrong with that?
“You’re hung up on some clown from the ’60s, man!”
No name calling allowed
I’m honestly surprised Bauer didn’t get any MLB offers and wonder if there was collusion involved (ala Barry Bonds).
Good financial decision by Bauer, dodgers are paying his entire salary and heās earning an additional 4 million.
Sayonara!
Tired of the story. Go with God and play ball.
Wnich one?
Baseball
The Baseball.
In other news, Bauer expresses a desire to try sushi for the first time.
Do the Dodgers get any luxury tax relief – like say a $4 million offset – as if he signed with another MLB team? That’s my only question. Is this anywhere in the MLB rules? If not, is this up to Manfred and MLB to decide on a case-by-case basis?
God I hope not. I want them to feel every dollar of his departure.
Delightful.
Curveball
I like the Dodgers and I still think they should pay a penalty for not having better vetted Bauer beforehand.
Glad he’s gone.
Lol
Pay a penalty? Get real.
Japan isnāt part of the mlb so the Dodgers wonāt receive any luxury tax relief.
Everyone avoids me my a psyched Lone Ranger
Everyone
He is permanently blacklisted from MLB. The guy could strike out every single batter he faces in Japan and still no MLB team will ever sign him. His MLB career ended years ago.
Pretty dumb, but likely true.
Get your money Bauer. Hope he ends up winning a bunch of awards and forcing MLB’s hand. The blackball treatment of him has been terrible.
You don’t like accountability? Are your browsing the internet from prison?
Accountability for what exactly? I canāt seem to find any record of him being convicted for a crime, so…
He got his accountability. He served his suspension. The league considers the matter closed. You should too.
What about the accountantability of the woman who claimed to have been beaten yet posted a selfie video of her smiling in bed next to Bauer with no bruises the morning after the alleged incident?
I hope the screen door doesn’t hit his behind on the way out.
Trevor Bauer… the Curt Flood of our generation.
Let’s see if he can contain his ego enough to keep his head down and his mouth closed. He won’t be there very long if he doesn’t.
Yeah Japan ain’t the place to be an egotistical dbag. Still he got screwed over.
By himself. Ain’t that a shame.
There is an old saying in Japan: “The nail that sticks up will get hammered down.” They live by that code even today.
If he learns to keep his mouth shut he’ll be back next year. I think he got wronged but his character was just icing on the cake for teams to pass on him. Earning more than he could playing in MLB this year as well though.
Youāre dreaming, his MLB career ended years ago.
He will never be back in MLB,
Bauer definitely got screwed over by baseball and it was his own doing. Bauer has been a torn in MLBs side since he was drafted (making a rap album, being outspoken against the leagueās hypocrisy, creating the 420 charity, etc) but never did anything mlb could punish him for. The second Manfried got a chance, it was trial with no jury and he had the book thrown at him.
What Bauer did was not horrific, it was requested. Many woman want what Bauer was accused of (Anyone who doesnāt believe me I can show texts). The accuser said she wanted it, they did it, she wanted more and to take it a step further, they did and when he didnāt want any part of her again, she filed a complaint.
However, Bauer beat the league once again. The Dodgers released him and he signs in Japan for more money. He probably will never be back in the league and there is a good chance he files a lawsuit with mlb as a result.
Good luck with that lawsuit. He can waste all the money on lawyers he wants. You can’t force a business to hire someone they think will be a money loser. I seriously doubt he’s that stupid. It’s a no go from the start.
@cards It’s more about how they withheld pay.
They paid him his contract minus suspension. Again, good luck. Any jury will have some women who will agree with the suspension. Any lawsuit will be good money after bad.
Think not about juries. Heās got no case whatsoever against anyone, and not the least of all against MLB. And of the six defamation suits heās filed, three have already been thrown out of court.
Really? Apparently you donāt follow sports or lawsuits. Collin Kapernick sued the NFL for collusion and they settled out of court.
I said there is a good chance he sues if no baseball teams are willing to sign him and he has a valid argument. He served his suspension and he clearly is good enough to pitch in the mlb. Bauer cannot legally still be punished by the league once his suspension was lifted and it would kind of be hard to argue that he isnāt deserving of a roster spot based on talent. He actually would have a lot of legal recourse especially if he goes to Japan and dominates and still isnāt offered a mlb contract by any team.
Like him or hate him, Bauer is one of the most intelligent people in the league and he isnāt afraid of the commissioners office. Also, as long as he doesnāt retire, the players association has to fight for him.
Wrong sport, and wrong set of facts, councilor. A case against MLB is the stuff of pure fantasy. No team can be forced to employ any player, let alone one who has demonstrated a complete lack of respect for the terms of his employment. If he’s radioactive, he has nobody but himself to blame, and it doesn’t matter how intelligent a person may be if they lack character and good judgement.
Drasco
The NFL settled with CK because the lawsuit would have exposed league racism and harmed league revenues.
In Bauer’s case, teams declining to sign Bauer are doing it to avoid a decline in revenue.
Business owners mostly make smart business decisions.
Labor laws are not sport specific and although youāre correct in the saying āno team can be forced to employ any playerā youāre wrong about a case against MLB being a fantasy.
Bauer cannot sue an individual team, heād lose 100% of the time but he doesnāt work for a team. He was employed by Major League Baseball and that is the difference. Just like Kap, a lawsuit would just have to prove that he is better than one of, letās just say, 150 starting pitchers in the LEAGUE, which would be pretty easy to do.
What you are missing in labor laws is that once youāve been punished, you cannot continue to be punished. Manfried over played his hand with the original suspension and lost. Now Bauer, if he chooses, can claim collusion and accuse the league of continuing to punish him despite certain facts, like he was never charged with a crime, let alone convicted. The fact the suspension was so severe and eventually over turned only plays into Bauers favor that the league was attempting to force him out.
Also, as you mentioned, Bauers ālack of respectā also plays into his favor because it gives them a reason to collude against him even though he never broke any mlb rule.
And yes, I do know a little about labor laws having to know broad strokes when you own your own business(es).
He is no longer being “punished,” he is not being offered further employment by any team. Unless Bauer can somehow prove that all 30 team owners got together and colluded to not employ him (and good luck with that), then he’s got no case whatsoever against MLB. The reason it matters that we’re talking about a baseball player is, the policy and the terms of the CBA are unique to the sport.
Both the original suspension from the commissioner and the reduced suspension were both records for the policy. They came to the same conclusion, only the length of the penalty was different. But most importantly the policy has nothing, zero, to do with crimes. The policy governs behavior.
Nobody can force an employer to hire someone they donāt wantā¦.Period! Like the old saying goes, ā he made his bed and now he has to lie in itā
How did MLB not negotiate an offset for NPB salaries????? Thatās just amazing.
No collective bargaining agreement with the players union.
Nope, not a cent and thatās crazy the MLB never negotiated such a clause.
What makes this funny is Dodgers still have to pay him lol
Dodgers are a Brinks Truck, paying him is still cheaper than the backlash from the PR nightmare it would cause!
I figured a MLB team would take a flyer on him with the hopes of flipping him to someone desperate at the deadline given the price tag. Guess no one wants that PR and possible chemistry issues which is very understandable.
not related but just happened to think of it.
I think Kyle Crick should be on a guaranteed 5m contract out side of his mlb contract for every year that Felipe is in jail. don’t know if thats what the fight was about but i’ll still take it.
Fight was because Crick was supposedly playing his music too loud.
that is what they said but was not long after that the stories came out. makes one wonder
“One” isn’t interested in conspiracy theories.
I don’t know about you but when i hear conspiracy theory i think of UFOs abducting the president and giving them robot legs and one finger that shoots peanut butter and another that shoot chocolate… yeah i don’t know.
Not for questioning that Kyle Crick broke Felipe’s face when music was playing at the same time Felipe was being investigated for horrible crimes.
One of those seems like it is plausible.the other sounds like a silly locker room dispute.
Bruh if Crick knew about Vazquez he would have told management and let them deal with it.
Not even Rachel Luba could salvage the dumpster fire that Bauer has become. āāļø
You just need to change the r sound at the end of his name for an l sound and youāve revealed him.
He signed there for those crazy used panty vending machines they have
The penalty for rape in Japan is life in prison. We will never see him again. He just sealed his own fate.
This comment section is just a bunch of idiots trying to one-up each other in edginess saying things none of them would ever have the gall to say to anyone else (that they weren’t already 100% sure agreed with them) out loud.
Love this hot take
hey now, i say a whole bunch of stuff out loud that no one agrees with. For example, They Live is one of the best movies ever….
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I think i just proved your point š
Poor Guyā¦ Hopefully he saved some money.
I never liked Bauer before all this. I thought he was an arrogant jackass. It’s a shame too because he’s a really talented pitcher.
Smart move to maximize his earnings. Dodgers money plus 4 million. ThAts one thing I never understood if you are released that dodger money should be locked in and you can sign with any new team for any amount and still get full dodger money
Good for him.
No one seemed to want to cut him some slack
Not even a little bit
Why would anyone want to cut him any slack when thereās no signs heās willing to behave any differently? As others have said, despite no legal filings, heās a PR nightmare and a clubhouse cancer. Thereās been numerous reports that basically none of his Dodger teammates wanted him back. Regardless of what Bauer supporters want to claim, much of his āblack listingā came from his behavior as a whole, and because if his attitude, is seen as a locker room disturbance.
He will have to legally change his name to come back to the mlb.
To Trevia Bauer?
Awww, no press conference to announce it?
Good for him and he will still get to hit as a pitcher, unlike in the MLB.
Women of Japan, beware.
Maybe, you can move there to warn them?
Why the comma after “Maybe”?
Grammar
Grammar, yes. Good grammar, no.
Actually it depends what he is trying to say.
With the comma, he is saying: “Maybe you’re right . . .”
Without the comma, he’s saying “Perhaps you can . . .”
Just to be up front, I happen to have two daughters AND two sisters, if this scumbag did that to any of them heād be on my hit list! If there is a place lower than ā bottom of the barrelā he found it! MLB has a clause in the CBA ( Collective Bargaining Agreement) that specifically prohibits players from this kind of behavior so they had every right to throw the book at this dude conviction or not and he said she said cases are hard to convict but apparently the DA reports and police reports had enough evidence to suspend him and I for one am glad they did! There is a rock out there with his name on it and he just crawled back underneath it! Thank you MLB AND the Dodger Organization for doing the right thing!
What did he do? I thought it was clear there was a consensual kinky sex deal, and she was totally in control of herself the whole time. No?
In that instance, but people keep turning the blind eye to the fact that MLBās investigation went into more than just that persons report. In other instances, heās said to have gone beyond what was consented to, and beyond that just has a terrible attitude.
People also turn the blind eye that his teammates didnāt want him back. They did just fine without him last year, Iām sure theyāll do just fine without him this year.
No. At one point she was unconscious. Bauer said so himself.
Hope your daughters and sisters aren’t into kink then.
I donāt have daughters or sisters. But I am a woman (all my life ) and I have absolutely no problem with Trevor.
Good for him. Wokeness is out of control.
You need professional help!
I hope Bauer is outstanding, and I hope the Dodgers suffer for what they did to him. I hope thĆ© Dodgersā rotation falls apart while Bauer thrives in Japan.
Check the yellow pages for a good shrink!
What are āyellow pagesā?
Japanese law authority will be on high alert!
I trying to figure out what the Dodgers ādidā to him, other than paying him $60m for a couple months of service.
I have no idea. What is yours?
Charming. I’m sure we’re all looking forward to your next pearl of wisdom.
His MLB days might be done, but he can do pretty well overseas for the next 6-7 years if he feels like it.
He was pretty good but not a superstar by any stretch.
People might believe that he is a monumental creep and a douchebag, but at the end of the day he is still walking the streets and not in jail.
I think that the Dodgers have done pretty well without him. Who cares.
I hope he fails miserably and is laughed out of Japan. I wonder how other teams’ fans will treat him?
I hope he is the best pitcher in the league and gains millions of fans in Japan. He is a great ball player.
So, there are enough real men outside the US, just not inside. All 30 GMs are just a bunch of betas more interested in what social media thinks than they are in winning. Bauer is a real man. I’ll see how long before Steve Adams gets offended and censors this.
Degrom
So your idea of a “real” man trolls college girls and harass them for a weekend- scrolling through her twitter account until he finds pics of her drinking underage then exposes her for doing that. I suppose you were /are a good lil boy and never had a beer before 21?
Does a real man who can throw a baseball 98mph brag about closing one eye during spring training to ” challenge” himself without regard to potential injury to the hitter?
If your idea of a “real” man is a narcissist man child with obvious misogynistic tendencies then you need better role models or need to grow up.
Nice to know there are Clinical Psychologists such as yourself on here to diagnose the various pathologies of Bauer. Oh wait…you’re not a M.D.? You’re just…a sports fan like everyone else. Cool.
@degrom itās not about being an alpha or a beta itās about self preservation, all 30 gm/pbos are hired by team owners to run the team and make them money. bring in trevor is a huge gamble that none of them want to take, the man hasnāt pitched in 2 years competitively and has a bad rep inside clubhouses, then add in the fact the all the 4 major sports (5 if you include soccer) are trying to grow there female fan base. having the hot pr mess that is trevor is just going to drive the fans your trying to get away with the very real possibility of there children and husbands not being allowed to support them until he is gone. tbh it would be career sucide if a gm brought in trevor and he underperforms or canāt be flipped at the deadline, gymās gamble all the time but usually will not gamble on something with this much downside
I guess we will really see if his fantastic 2020 season was real or short lived.
He strangely ends up getting a $4MM raise now compared to if the Dodgers simply held him. Of course, I’m sure he’d much rather be pitching for the Dodgers, or anywhere in MLB. I don’t believe he ever will again. Be curious how his personality meshes in Japan. Feels a bit like oil and water.
He’ll be deported within a month
Last time I checked, being a dick (especially a dick with a 98 mph heater and a wipe out slider) waz not grounds to deny a man the chance to make a living. As far as I’m concerned, he’s back in mlb later this year/next. Never charged with a crime and has anger management issues. These can be overcome with counseling. He’ll be back. And should be.
Not likely!!
What?
Deny him a right to make a living… the guy is making $26 million from the Dodgers this year. I think we can all agree he will make due.
And who is denying him? 29 MLB teams can have him for the league minimum and he is eligible for opening day.
Collusion
The amount of virtue signaling in these comments is bonkers.
Scumbags like Bauer never learn! He bought his one way ticket out of town! MLB made the right decision!
What?
What?
What. !
Thank you MLBTR for letting so many people say so many stupid things. It is good for all of us to know that we don’t think alike.
I agree. It allows us to see the character of the person commenting. That way I can mute those that I find their thoughts abhorrent. I never have to even see their comments again. Well, until they get banned and have to create a new account.
At the end of the day this is an L for the MLB. Losing a top tier starter makes the league worse overall and is bad for competitive balance. Even if you don’t like Bauer it would make MLB more money to keep him, everyone loves a good heel after all.
How is losing a scumbag like Bauer bad for baseball??
I can’t wait for the lawsuits to come, and I think Bauer will win.
Bauer fell into a cesspool to never return! Thank you powers that be!!
There are no lawsuits left except one for defamation in which he was countersued. His end of that lawsuit will be dropped like all the others and for the same reason. He will not allow the discovery portion of that suit to happen because he does not want every communication of his on all platforms to be released to the opposing counsel, It would not go well for him.
FYI. My understanding is three of his defamation suits are still active. Three others have already been dismissed, and one of the three remaining produced a countersuit.
Bauer versus Jake Paul on pay per view. Bauer likes to punch, letās get an opponent who is the same size and conscious and Bauer will make plenty of money if heās a āmanā like so many posters allege.
Your idea of a āmanā is someone who punches people? Thatās weird. Is he somehow not a āmanā if Jake Paul can beat him up? Could Jake Paul beat you up?
To me, a āmanā only fights to protect his family, not punching an unconscious groupie that he picked up for casual intimacy.
And I would imagine that Jake Paul could beat me up since I am old enough to be his Dad.
Bauer was persecuted for his sexual preferences. They fall outside the norm and he was made a victim as a result. When no wrongdoing was found he was not made whole for what he had lost.
He CLEARLY violated MLBs Collective Bargaining Agreement! Heās got no one to blame but himself! PERIOD!
He violated the rules he agreed to play by in MLB. Your employer can suspend you or fire you for violating the rules of your employment contract too.
Wrongdoing was found. Not just once, but multiple times. It was described as a pattern of behavior. An independent arbitrator found that MLB was within its rights and acting within the rules to suspend Bauer.
Bauer has no one to blame but himself. He knew the rules and chose to violate them. Apologists are showing that they don’t understand the situation and also that they condone his violent behavior. It says volumes about you as a person.
MLB hitters are physically stronger. If you took away that advantage by playing in smaller ball parks, even smaller than Japanese ball parks I think the gap would be smaller between the two leagues.
Thing is… ‘MLB hitters’ come from all over the globe. Not just the USA.
Context is Bauer pitching in Japan vs MLB. Overall, MLB hitters are physically stronger than hitters in Japan. Of course, I’m generalizing as there are plenty of MLB hitters that are physically weaker than Japanese hitters.
Japan, weāre sorry in advance.
So basically, Manfred exercised the same absolutely certain judgment (??) he did when he denied the All-Star Game to the city of Atlanta. BTW, what’s with the child abuse reference? Were any of these ladies under 18? If not, then WTF? Why disparage the guy’s character unnecessarily when you are already disparaging it, and doing so without the agreement of the authorities, who claim no case could be made against the guy? So MLB operates legally independent of the local attorney general?? How does that work? Do other organizations get to act as judge and jury against their employees??? This sounds like a case of rendering judgment on what goes on in someone’s private bedroom life. Stay the f*** out of people’s bedrooms.. We don’t really know what Bauer’s deal was, so why pass judgment and punish him? Too bad my favorite team didn’t sign him. They need pitching desperately.
I am honestly a little sickened at all the people saying “criminal charges or it never happened” because that completely invalidates all of the very real assaults that happen but are never convicted. Is it possible this lady is using Trevor Bauer to get her moment of fame and possibly some money? Sure. Is it possible Trevor Bauer is a terrible person who was careful/lucky enough to not leave enough evidence behind for a conviction? You bet.
I am not saying Trevor Bauer is innocent or that he is guilty, I am just disappointed in all of the people that naively think that if he was guilty, he would be convicted.
I have some very personal stories that illustrate the fact that actually being assaulted does not always result in a conviction, but don’t particularly feel like sharing those with strangers on the Internet so they can tell me I am making things up. I just hope that everyone will be mature enough to realize that it is possible he is guilty, it is possible that MLB found enough evidence to enforce their policies, and it is possible that there wasn’t enough evidence to get a conviction. All 3 can be true at the same time.
And how are those people any worse than the commenters on this thread blindly referring to Trevor as a “predator” or a “tsipar spelled backwards?”
That is a valid point, I just personally have seen more people willing to bend over backwards to defend Bauer than the people you are referring to. Maybe I am just looking in the wrong places.
If we are all completely honest, we will all admit that none of us actually knows what happened, all we have is what has been officially released.
The real crime here is that this entire mess wasn’t dealt with behind closed doors.
Endersgame
Are you trying to assert that MLB had some different or ulterior evidence to what criminal investigators had? Manfred could say anything he wants in regard to Bauer, are you or anyone else going to be able to question Manfred or any CEO within any organization that has the power to act unilaterally based on his or own opinions in regard to alleged misbehaviour and any sentence imposed by aforementioned CEO’s.
It is a fact that people have lost jobs and have been terminated due to suspicion, and workplace policies have been used to justify those actions, which more often than not end up in legal cases for wrongful dismissal.
Because the entire mess took place behind closed doors
@fred
the mlb is a private entity that has its own rules that both the league and players agreed to. since the mlb is a private entity they do not need the same level of evidence as a criminal case. prefect example of this is the ok simpson trial, criminals he’s not guilty but was found guilty when the victims family sued. as far as guys kissing there jobs from false claims or misunderstandings it sucks and it happens also a lot of them should maybe be aware of there surroundings and not put themselves in the position in the first place
@brodie-bruce
Thanks. I am fully aware of that, and that is the point that I was making. Manfred can act unilaterally and can say he has ‘evidence’ and suspend players for any amount of time that he deems fit. It is a farce.
I know of players and people within the corporate environment that had accusations made against them which later proved to be false. and they lost salary and their positions, not to mention the embarrassment of the accusations made against them. Bauer is a fool for engaging in the activities he did, but that doesn’t make him guilty of anything if consent was involved.
Did he bring himself into disrepute, that depends on who is judging. Was his suspension or length of suspension warranted? Manfred gets to decide unilaterally.
The Dodgers are still looking for their 1st real World Series title since 1988. Pathetic.
I think this has been said before but itās relevant, the MLB and fans have a very short memory. Bauer goes over to the NPB and throws a 2.00 or lower for a season and some team will absolutely sign him!
I just hope itās not Mr. AJ Preller, because thatās his jam of a market to find pitchers looking to make a comeback.
I don’t think so. Bauer’s talent is not in question. So him pitching well (against clearly inferior competition no less) isn’t going to change how teams view him.
@jimthegoat
Yes, Japan are “clearly inferior competition no less”, they just proved they are not in fact, “inferior”.
You can’t compare the MLB to the NPB anyway. Far more resources are available in USA, bigger population, plus a whole range of other factors.
You should never be disrespectful.
@JimtheGoat
It seems Japan proved your Japan are “clearly inferior competition no less”.
Comparing USA to Japan or MLB to NPB is a nonsense anyway, USA or MLB has far more resources, bigger population, and there’s a whole range of other factors. To do what Japan just did is huge.
Never disrespect your opponent.
@Jimthegoat
I think your observations have been proven false. Japanese baseball and its players are far from inferior to US baseball players, that was proven in a big way. On the whole you could say MLB is stronger, but that’s due to extra resources, bigger population, more teams, etc.
@Fred McGriff HR You see, the problem with that, is that all the best players who were on Japan’s WBC team (as well as every other country’s WBC team) are in MLB.
@JimtheGoat
I don’t agree with that completely. Ohtani, who else? Yoshida hasn’t played a game in MLB as yet, Darvish pitched 1 inning in the final and gave up Schwarber’s home run. Baseball is a team sport, of course Ohtani was a huge factor in the Japanese victory because he’s exceptional, and most Japanese players do want to test their abilities in MLB, but Japan had plenty of other good players who contributed. Cuba had some talent capable of being in MLB. For Japan Kondoh hit .346, Okamoto .333, of course they’re small sample sizes, but there are plenty of guys that could cut it in MLB, on the pitching side Sasaki, Imanaga, Yamamoto to name a few. The other thing to note is that not all foreign players want to play in MLB, some choose to stay in their home countries to play for family reasons.
I’m sure Bauer is going to do well there, but I don’t think the word inferior is fair or justified. People have said Japan is AAA equivalent, well if that is so, and I don’t believe that to be correct at all, a ‘triple A’ Japan beat the USA MLB. with their best players.
Two words: Shohei. Ohtani.
Congratulations to Team Japan for beating the US like a broken drum. In a meaningless, insipid exhibition. Now we can get on with the real business of the 2023 MLB season. Minus a few star players of course. Oh well.
@ Viveleempireevil
“Exhibition”, you assert, so Trout, Schwarber, Goldschmidt, Betts, etc etc all ‘wasted their time’ in an “insipid exhibition”. No, it wasn’t an “insipid exhibition” at all, it was a proper baseball tournament.
You call the MLB the “real business”, but playing for your country for most of these players is far more important than ANY MLB game, because country always comes before club, the only people that don’t get this are most people who couldn’t care less about their flag, in fact, they’d prefer to take a knee or burn their country’s flag..
Mike Trout says hello. It looks like he got all excited & passionate about an ‘insipid exhibition’. Some people are completely oblivious and ignorant to what it means to put your country’s flag on your jersey and represent your country.
Mike Trout
@MikeTrout
Itās hard to sum up into words what these last couple of weeks have meant to me. I had the time of my life representing that USA on my chest! The energy was electric and made the WBC a moment Iāll always cherish. So thank you all so much. It was an honor to be your captain
Thanks for the long-winded attempt at defending the indefensible. The WBC is the baseball equivalent of the WWE. And look…only took two sentences.
Viveleempireevil
Not really, your ignorance says it all. Never let facts get in the way of your ‘stories’ & delusions.
Can’t you and Crime Dog just agree to disagree?
Or disagree to disagree?
“No, no, Trev. That’s not what ‘Nipponese’ means…”
Hope he does well and reflects on why he is playing there and not the majors. He needs a overhaul as the type of person he is. He might make it back to MLB but he needs to change first.
Does he?
This thread is a great example of the lynch mob mentality, and how they moralise about others and speak with arrogance and sanctimony on matters they know nothing about, to the point where a man lost wages, his job, and many other things.
With these poor excuses they’re the mob who ‘think'(and the term is used with severe reservation) that accusations equal guilt, when we now know that this was about some woman trying to get money all along. Be ashamed all you lynch mob accusers.
Hell will freeze over before people like you admit you were wrong and apologize, that’s just the way you are in life.
Here is her first interview post lawsuit being dropped.
youtube.com/watch?v=Py1WwdNlMMQ
Anything she has to say is not worth a cent. She’s been proven to be a liar, therefore she has zero credibility or integrity, and she should be in jail for the irreparable harm and damage she has caused to Bauer.
Never said she had credibility or integrity. You can draw your own conclusions from the linked video.
Never said that you said she had credibility or integrity.
Likely this guy’s career is ruined. And why? Because someone falsely accused him of a crime. That shouldn’t go unpunished. Hopefully Bauer can make a comeback in MLB.