August 25: Trout is now officially on the IL, per a club announcement, with Trey Cabbage recalled in a corresponding move.
August 24: The Angels are placing Mike Trout back on the 10-day injured list, general manager Perry Minasian informed reporters (including Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register). The three-time MVP had just returned from an IL stay on Tuesday.
Trout started in center field that night, going 1-4. He sat out both games of today’s doubleheader, ceding the position to Mickey Moniak. Minasian indicated that Trout remained in too much discomfort when hitting to continue playing through the injury. The GM didn’t provide a return timetable beyond noting that Trout won’t swing a bat for at least a few days.
His ’23 campaign was derailed when he broke the hamate bone in his left wrist on a swing. Trout underwent surgery on July 5 and was given a four-to-eight week recovery timetable. He briefly made it back around seven weeks later but evidently can’t proceed.
With five and a half weeks remaining on the schedule, it seems fair to wonder if Trout’s season could be in jeopardy. The Halos’ playoff hopes were already all but extinguished 48 hours ago. Since the 11-time All-Star’s effort to return, Los Angeles was swept in a three-game series by the Reds and lost Shohei Ohtani as a pitcher for the season. This will be their ninth straight year without a playoff appearance and, with the club now six games under .500, likely their eighth consecutive losing record.
As the Angels find themselves in the all too familiar position of playing out the string, they’ll presumably move cautiously with the future Hall of Famer. Trout has hit .263/.367/.490 over 362 plate appearances — still well above-average output but easily his worst rate stats since his age-19 rookie campaign. Moniak, who is hitting .282/.313/.496 through 278 trips to the dish, is likely to take over center field between Hunter Renfroe and Randal Grichuk.
The Angels are in for some rough years ahead.
Wth, he just came back!
Trout is 32 his body is breaking down. Note what the article said…he broke the hamate bone in his wrist….on a SWING.
Typical body deterioration from juice!!!
Trout does have a big head.
Yes, this is how one breaks their hamate bone. It’s one of the reasons the axe bats were developed.
Trout is right up there with Kris Bryant when it comes to injuries.
He came back too soon is all. The hamate bone was surgically removed and the wound is still healing. It was a question of whether or not the pain would be manageable, but it wasn’t.
Nothing new.
They have a nice core of young guys with Schanuel, O’Hoppe, Neto, Moniak, Detmers, Bachman, Silseth. That’s the future… not Trout.
@orange LOLOLOLOLOL. They’re screwed for the next decade.
I don’t know why but I totally heard this in that gentleman voice. Your profile pic and name is hilarious Buzz. And truth. Angels are cooked and fried crispy.
That nice core will compete against Las Vegas for 4th place the next 5 seasons.
If you can’t even get a wildcard one season with the best position player since Mickey Mantle and the modern day Babe Ruth then how do you do it with any of these lesser players? Arte should sell the team.
Baseball is not a 2 man game.
You have it confused with basketball.
It’s not that how could they miss the postseason with those two players. It’s that how inept must the Angels be that they can build a competitive roster around 2 of the best players in the game. Tampa Bay patches together a roster with a bunch of rethreads and prospects and they continue to make the playoffs every season. Why couldn’t the Angels put together a decent enough team?
It’s not a two man game, but if that’s your starting point it is unbelievable you can’t be bad for a decade and not end up with a good team even by accident.
Ace: When did Ken Griffey Jr sign for the Angels?
Trout’s season is basically done. So let’s look at even the last 7 seasons (including this one). You need to have at least 502 at-bats to qualify for end-of-the-year rankings/stats. In the past 7 seasons, how many times has Trout reached 502 at-bats? Zero.
Trout hasn’t reached 502 ABs since he was 25 years old (2016). Mantle famously faded after 30 years old, Mike’s slide is even sooner.
Best position player since Mickey Mantle hahahaha you have to stay healthy to earn that don’t make me spit out my coffee
The way people keep talking about Ohtani you would think it’s a one player game. I think at some near time frame they should stop drooling over him. He hasn’t won anything except individual awards not team awards and hast mad the playoffs.
They have the players what they don’t have is the pitching. They score runs but give them right back and more.
I really hope the Angels have better talent evaluators than you.
Hoping those players have strong carriers is one thing, expecting them to, especially Moniak and Bachman is just crazy.
And to think, We could have had local boy McLain instead of Bachman, but Perry did the all pitchers stunt.
The Angels have no future
The Angels are in for rough years for the duration of this ownership.
Its not the ownership. They spend money and make big moves. Its the training and medical staff.
They have mismanaged the health of their players at every turn. They ignored their players taking fetanyl. They used an unorthodox, unsound lifting protocol that nearly broke Trout’s back. They didn’t perform proper progressions on Trout’s hand recovery. Everyone knows Pujols made his miracle late career resurgence outside of Anaheim because he finally got legit foot care. Who knows what signs they missed with Ohtani.
It seems as if nearly every pitcher to leave the Angels has been much better with their new team. Chavez was brutal for them but excellent for Atlanta.
Right, it’s the Disney and Hollywood trainers’ alchemy and bloodletting.
If you look at the Angels history they haven’t been in the playoffs slot, 10 times and 6 of those were under Arte’s ownership. Outside of one year as a Wild Card the the division winner, the Angels have not had stellar seasons with Disney and the Cowboy’s ownership.
In other words, the Angels are giving up on 2023. And just four weeks ago, Angels fans had high hopes for sneaking into the Wild Card. How quickly things can change.
He was a 2 month rental. The best the Angels could have gotten was a couple of mid level prospects. Better to keep him and try to make a run.
@outinlf LOL. They would could have gotten WAY WAY more. A LOT more than 2 mid level prospects.
I disagree. If a team truly believes that a player is the missing piece, they will do whatever is necessary.
Two mid-level prospects, at best, for a player who could singlehandedly take almost any contending team through the playoffs. These prospect obsessed individuals never cease to amaze. The most fascinating part is they never come back and discuss how over 90% of the prospects never pan out. All you hear is how you can never trade any of them because they’re all better than the guys who have already defied the odds and made it.
” a player who could singlehandedly take almost any contending team through the playoffs.”
It’s amazing that you know that considering Ohtani has never seen the playoffs in this country. If he could single handedly take a contending team through the playoffs, then wouldn’t the Angels have been there at least once? They are a flawed team, but you cannot say they have not at least been contenders for the past 6 years
They have not been at least contenders for the past six years. I can and I will say that.
I’d have to disagree on this one, granted he wouldn’t have brought the “haul” people think but I think he easily would have netted a top 50 prospect and two additional guys.
When you’re talking about a hitter and a pitcher as well as the marketing machine that would have came along with it, the return would have been significant.
Bravo
They could have gotten a similar haul to what the M’s gave for Castillo.
If not better.
Two or three top twenty five’s.
My guess is:
+2 organizational top 5 (ranked top 100ish in MLB)
+2 organizational 10-20 prospects
It’d be a big haul, but it certainly wouldn’t rebuild the farm system entirely.
but you cannot say they have not at least been contenders for the past 6 years
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What I can say is that they haven’t been a .500 for the past 6 years.
And I can say that they have never finished closer than 18 games behind.
I take it you’ve never heard of the world baseball classic….
Nope. This site, Sam Blum and Law on The Athletic, and multiple other sites said the best they would do was 1 Top 100 prospect and someone else in the other teams top 30.
That doesn’t help a team like the Angels with literally no farm system. As someone else on here said, it doesn’t budge the needle.
If the Angels were going to move Ohtani, the time to do it was when the team trading for him was getting at least 2 playoff runs. Then they would have gotten much much more.
But a 2 month rental, not so much.
Then I guess all the experts including the writers on this website and on the Athletic are nuts too. I will stick with the experts and be nuts.
NO player can single handedly take a team to the playoffs. The Angels have had arguably the 2 best players in baseball and still not made the playoffs.
The Angels started this season expected to be contenders. Last season they started the season expected to have a winning season. 1 or even 2 players don’t carry a team to the playoffs.
They could have gotten a little better than what they gave up for Giolito. A guy a little higher in the Top 100 and a guy in the other teams Top 15.
That is exactly what every single baseball writer that talked about Ohtani said he was worth in trade.
There is no way that the Angels would have gotten 2-3 top 25 overall prospects for him. That is simply delusional to think any team would give that up for 2 months of a player. Even Ohtani.
THIS site plus every other article about it said ONE top 100 prospect and one other prospect in the other teams top 30.
Its delusional to think anyone would give up that much for 2 months
You mean that thing they do in Spring Training to kill time every few years. Yeah I think I have heard of it, but never gave a damn about it
@outinleftfield – rather than the “experts” you’re not linking to, all you have to do is look at previous deadline trades and rental deals to find comps. Ohtani would probably have been looked at as the greatest “rental” player in history.
Or you could lose your mind on the thread and post the same thing 74 more times.
Trades to reference. Scherzer, Price, Darvish, Machado. None of those guys were in Ohtani’s value class (10-12WAR class).
They would not have “gotten a fortune for him at the deadline”.
He would have been a 2 month rental.
He never would have passed the physical. He stopped throwing 100 well before the break. He should’ve been up front with the team about what was going on with his arm. And they don’t need a DH only player on their roster the next 10 years. Trout is going to follow Tim Salmons path to a title. Not as THE MAN, but as a supporting cast member. Our recent drafts have been amazing. If ownership let’s Perry continue and Perry cans the entire training and medical staff, and if Arte stops spending on the wrong players, who knows what could happen
I pointed out his performances at least two months ago.
From 4/27-7/21, Ohtani had an ERA/FIP of 4.73/4.87. You almost never see that in an ace unless they are hurt.
The Angels had to be suspicious.
Last year, no one was going to give up a fortune for a two month rental.
Seeing Minasian squirm in front of the press on the national stage is priceless
“Seeing Minasian squirm”…Minasian has never been the problem down in Anaheim. You can’t change GMs every 3 yrs and expect success. The problem has always been the owner, Moreno. One of the GMs he fired, Jerry Dipoto, has built the kind of deep young pitching staff in Seattle, that Anaheim has always lusted after.
their overall depth level. Here’s what Moreno told Verducci about it:
“I kept saying, ‘What about Turner? Is this what we need?'” Moreno says. Minasian, he says, told him the Angels had multiple needs besides shortstop.
“I said, ‘You mean you need more than just Turner?'” Moreno says. “He says, ‘Yeah.’ So, it’s about the distribution of money. Is it one player who makes a splash? Or is it, ‘Hey, we can spend this money on two or three players.'”
And then all season long from Minasian defenders we had to hear when the going was good “Artie’s listening to Perry! He knows how to control him”
Minasian defenders blame Moreno. Nevin defenders blame Minasian. The fans blame the hitting and pitching coaches. The players blame the upstairs office. So everyone’s got someone to blame.
And the owner running his mouth to one of the media vultures, pointing fingers at his GM and basically saying, “Hey, I just write the checks” is about as bush league as it can get. This a culture HE created.
Yeeesh
Da fuq
“Angels are giving up on 2023”..It was always fools gold;The Angels(like the Mets & Padres)have never done anything on the field this year, to suggest they were serious playoff or WS contenders. They simply don’t have the pitching, overall talent, depth or health.I do applaud the Mets for realizing this and changing course appropriately. The Angels should have done the same.
“I do applaud the Mets for realizing this and changing course appropriately.”
Honestly, it has been a major silver lining in a bad year. It would have been so easy to futilely chase a wild card spot (like they did two years ago when they traded PCA for Baez). I’m glad they recognized they needed to look to the future and leverage Cohen’s willingness to spend to acquire some premium prospects.
Back to the Angels, it’s understandable that they chased a playoff spot, but you have to wonder what the team would look like over the next few years if they’d traded Ohtani and others. Sucks for Angels fans.
They’re throwing in the towel on the season so they’re giving Trout an early break to keep recuperating and try for real in 2024- if he doesn’t demand a trade.
But honestly I think Trout secured his bag and doesn’t care anymore. He will be okay or great if he’s healthy, he will possibly be amazing if he’s healthy; but if he isn’t, he got his money. I don’t think he’s squirming for a championship.
Imagine how arrogant you have to be to think you can mind read someone that you’ve just seen on TV.
I know I’d just cash in, but I’m just a loser on MLBtraderumors. Not a professional athlete.
Imagine being so emotionally tied up with people you’ve only ever eeen on tv that you are this defensive.
Who’s being defensive about people they’ve seen on TV?
I’m just pointing out that you don’t know a damn thing about what motivates Trout, so what you “honestly think” about him is totally worthless drivel.
Also- I am referring to whether or not Trout wants to be traded to a contender or whether he would think it wise to push through an injury that isn’t fully healed just to get in some AB’s in the final stretch of a lost season.
I am sure he isn’t mentally checked out of baseball as a skill set and a disciplined practice, but I am also suspecting he’s checked out of championship ambitions if he isn’t asking for a trade- that he will play his game and accept his place in history on his individual stats and not as it relates to the success or failure of the team in terms of seasonal efforts or chances to get to the post season, let alone win the World Series.
Why would anyone care about what you suspect about the internal motivations that you know nothing about? Why would anyone (including yourself) think that your thoughts on the psychology of a total stranger has any value at all?
Why would you even think Trout has checked out mentally from ANYTHING? That statement alone makes little sense for a professional athlete, let alone one of the best to ever play the game.
Unless you have played the game at it’s highest level, THEN, add to that being one its elite , how could you even assume you know his mindset?
Because our minds are being ruined by “take” culture.
People who can’t get attention by saying something intelligent get it by saying something “controversial”. Negative attention is better than no attention
@filihok @TTO’s takes are among the among the most ignorant on MLBTR.
You say “suspect”, but I think you mean “am completely making up”.
Gotta love these people who think they have better insight than the rest of us. Then they continue keep posting further hypothesis and challenge you is you think there may be a different point of view.
They know how the players think. They know what the front office is planning. Hell some of them think they know the future and can predict someone is going to be a bad draft pick.
It is entertaining to say the least.
Trout is recognised as one of the hardest workers in the sport, by those actually in it.
Yeah… Trout literally came back early from injury to try to help salvage the season because he doesn’t care and is mailing it in…
May as well call it a season and heal up for next season. Ohtani too. Angels are done for this season. Too bad as I’ve always liked them.
Good on ya Mike. Ohtani’s done pitching for the season, which was the only oitside of chance at the postseason the Angels had and you go right back to the IL with zero explanation…
Plenty of explanation. He was having issues gripping the bat because of the pain. Apparently batting practice does not prepare you for hitting against 95 mph.
Griffey jr. Was real good until about age 31, all down hill from there.
That’s what frequently happens to non-juicers…
Trout, Jr., and similar can hold their heads high…
Junior had that terrible fracture when he crashed into the wall. It took him several years to recover, but he was never the same.
Trout’s injuries aren’t event specific. I wonder if this current hand injury wasn’t caused in the weight room before the game. He never had a slight frame so it doesn’t make sense that he would break his hand swinging the bat.
Griffey injured his hammett bone in mid 95 season. He made it back later that year.. he actually had several monster years after that.
It makes perfect sense in that a hamate can break as easily as an UCL tear. Doesn’t matter how hard you throw or how big you are. It can just happen. I broke mine in April and it still bugs me.
It’s well known round handles aren’t particularly ergonomic and they put extra strain on the hamate bone, especially with hard impacts. It’s why axe handles are oval. Baseball bats are a little different since the entirety of the bat is the contact point rather than an axe having 1 or 2 potential contact points.
Trout makes very hard impacts on his swings, and his hamate broke. It’s a risk hitters take, and the risk increases with bat speed and hard contact rates. The hamate bone is pretty much not necessary and just sits there most of the time, but when a hitter makes the right kind of contact, it basically turns the bones in the hand/wrist into a hammer and punch on the hamate.
Its a pretty consistent.decline from age 31 season on. There are exceptions, but not many outside the PED era.
Trout could barely grip the bat tonight.
Angels have terrible scouting. Terrible doctors. And a terrible GM. Fools they should have traded trout and Ohtani. I was right again.
Even the best baseball people can’t overcome a hard headed owner.
They can’t trade trout.
Arte is a terrible owner who only cares about selling tickets. Its why that in the last 8 seasons he has not allowed his GM’s to sign one pitcher to more than a 3 year deal. He gutted the baseball development and scouting departments and the team didn’t have an analytics department at all until Eppler. Minasian has gotten Arte to invest more in scouting, baseball development, and analytics staffs than the last 3 GM’s combined. Scouts don’t sell tickets. Trout, Ohtani, and other big time bats do. That is what is important to Arte.
Minasian did the best he could with the constraints Arte put him under. All blame for the team goes to Arte.
Trout ahs a full NTC and has said repeatedly that he does not want to be traded, including this season. The Angels cannot trade him without his consent and he won’t give it.
Minasian had a trade lined up for Ohtani last season at the deadline back when they could get a return commensurate with his talent, but Arte would not give his ok. The reason given at the time? Trout was on the IL. Arte wanted to make sure there was at least one superstar draw to keep people coming to the ballpark.
The Angels would have gotten two prospects for Ohtani as a rental. One to p100 prospect and one lower down the lists. That was not enough to justify tanking the season. It was also not enough to make up for the money that Ohtani brings in from international sponsorships and ticket sales.
When you said fool, you were looking in the mirror, right?
I was looking at the other team down the 5 fwy and realizing they don’t sign has beens like Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton and Anthony Rendon. The angels also gut their scouting department and refuse to make trades that even an arm chair GM like myself can identify as good trades.
Even if Trout remained in the lineup, that injury usually saps a player’s power for months. Given how badly they’ve played, plus the Ohtani injury, might as well just let him get healthy for 2024.
Other than likely losing Ohtani, Trout’s not the Angels biggest problem. At least he’ll probably play 80-100 games next season, maybe more. If he’s healthy at the deadline, theoretically the Angels could get him to waive his no trade clause and send him to a contender for prospects. If Moreno pays down some of that contract, those prospects could be pretty good too.
Rendon hasn’t played more than 58 games since 2019. He’s older than Trout, making more money ($38 million a year), also has a full no trade clause, and is signed through the end of 2026. Even if they get out from under at least some of Trout’s contract, they’re more than likely going to be stuck with the albatross that is Rendon’s deal for the next couple years.
Arte would have to eat a lot of the money owed to Trout and Rendon, but even then he’s going to have a tough time moving them if they’re not healthy by the trade deadline next year. That’s assuming they waive their no-trade clause.
Same old story – 5402 ABs in the regular season, 12 ABs in the playoffs. The Angels & Trout are a great fit as neither seems preoccupied with winning.
Guy’s washed up. Yet another overhyped player that can’t stay healthy. Stop paying guys to sit and be injured.
Why do baseball “fans” complain about “washed up” players being overpaid, but never complain about young players being underpaid?
@filihok
Because younger players are also overpaid and usually washed up. I haven’t seen a decent player since Ty Cobb.
Dang how old are you?
@youngTank15
Old enough to be your grandpa’s grandpa.
filihok, don’t bother answering york. He has never made an intelligent comment on this board and is probably 12 years old. His entire schtick is trying to get a rise out of people. Ignore him
He’s just bitter and jealous. His mom told him he’d do big things when he was little. And here he is today
Damn!
Texas may give up another middle infield prospect for him and half his remaining salary. Perhaps Walcott would do. I think his career-long injury last season dropped his performance and performance outlook drastically.
Does he have a no trade clause?
Full no-trade clause.
. Can’t help your team on the bench with all these injuries
Who does Trout think he is.? A Yankees pitcher?
Those decisions to buy nor sell now have even more dire consequences.
Not trading Ohtani was a franchise altering error in judgement. To tell Angels fans they were going for it is insulting their intelligence. Going for it with Randall Grichuk, Lucas Giolito and CJ Cron? Really? Moreno’s reluctance to move Ohtani is all about his desire to compete with the Dodgers for exposure. This goes back to the name change from Anaheim to Los Angeles. He wants relevance in the LA market. Having Ohtani keeps attention on the Angels and sells tickets. Now, when Ohtani leaves via free agency, the Angels are toast because there is no indication that Mike Trout is ever going to be healthy enough to make an impact. Even if he is, he is not nearly enough. They could have gotten some great young players for Ohtani to help build this team into something relevant. Sure they have some young pieces but they are still in trouble
Wasn’t it just yesterday that posters were saying that there was no reason to not play Trout? That didn’t age well.
There wasn’t a reason not to play him. It’s not like he could do more damage. There are 3 things which could have resulted.
1. He could play through the pain and it wouldn’t impact his game much.
2. He could play through the pain, but it would hurt his game at the plate.
3. He wouldn’t be able to play through the pain so he’d need more rest.
The answer was 3, and now the Angels know he needs more time for the wound to heal.
Ohtani flew too close to the sun.
Maybe being a DH and a Closer is a more realistic workload?
I’ve been saying that for years….
Ohtani has thrown 481 innings at the MLB level. As a relief pitcher, the most you’d expect a reliever to throw in this day and age is about 60 innings a year.
So, Ohtani has already pitched 8 injury free seasons in relief pitcher terms. The value is not comparable. Even if Ohtani needs surgery and is unable to pitch next year, he’s still far ahead as a starter.
For the official comment board record:
Trout can’t be traded because he has a full no-trade clause in his contract.
Newsflash: he can waive it and go to a team (i.e. Phillies) that he wants to.
Right, but that’s not what is being proffered by commenters on here.
Breaking NEWSFLASH: Trout has consistently said he would not waive his NTC and wants to finish his career with the Angels. He WANTS to play for the Angels.
Please, speak up those of you that were bashing my Trout comment a few days ago. Looks like I was right. Losers.
Stat geeks that love MLB the Show obsess over Trout, not people that pick up their britches and go to work every day.
Season’s on the line Mikey, gotta play thru some pain.
Just end his season. Get Trout all the time needed to be fully healthy for 2024, this season is over for the Angels.
Hopefully? HAHA keep betting on a serial loser.
It’s easy to say in hindsight now that the Angels not selling has been regretful but I applaud the Angels for giving it a shot at making the playoffs.
RIP Angels
Mike trout will never win anything just another year closer to retirement a bit over rated.he could stay healthy for just one year the angles might be good but can not.the k g go of the 2020s he will never go to thevw series because his body will notbto doit.all magic h of faner at one time but with all his injuries he might border line at best
Stupid is as stupid says. At least learn to spell.
Quite a few questionable comments on here. At this juncture, they are out of it. Let Trout heal.
As an athlete, and regardless of whether you should or shouldn’t play, if you feel like you have a chance you suck it up because even the chance is worth enduring the pain to a true competitor.
None of you know how these athletes feel and none of you sit in the room when they are talking to the trainers. So why comment on the whether the trainers are good or bad?
These are men that are responsible for seaking their own self care, for deciding if they should play or not, and for making good decisions for themselves in general.
I’m not going to blame an owner, manager, coach or trainer. These players have the final say, most of them make enough money to buy a second opinion if they want but ultimately these men want to compete. That is why they work out, push their bodies to the limit and play when they shouldn’t at times.
If there was still a reasonable chance of winning, Mr. Trout wouldn’t be in this article.
Agreed!!!!!!!
the vast majority of fans are convinced their team’s conditioning and medical staffs are incompetent (myself included: yankees)
The unfortunate truth is Trout is fragile.
Angels are done.
The Angels are cursed. I mean…they’ve had some serious malpractice in recent years with some of the contracts they’ve given out but they have to be kicking themselves for not getting a haul for Ohtani and Trout.
Thankfully, they have Anthony Rendon to lean on..
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My oh my how the instant gratification peanut gallery here forgets what Mike Trout has been for the last decade plus. Gets almost as much love as Anthony Rendon.
Maybe don’t model your training regimen and build your body up like you’re an NFL defensive end.
Dude is taking his career from hall of fame to hall of what could’ve been all for vanity muscles.
Omg he’s one of the best players ever that will never win a World Series so question what makes him so good? Stats ok are over rated just like he is. Wouldn’t want him in my team what to guarantee my team won’t win a World Series no thanks feel better Mikey to your next trip to the DL
This man cannot stay healthy. Probably should retire before he does a Andruw Jones to his career and misses the hall of fame.
Trout is made out of glass.
Trout seems very comfortable being a loser. Is Ohtani the same?