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West Notes: Scherzer, Trout, Nola, Martinez

By Nick Deeds | September 2, 2023 at 7:14pm CDT

Rangers ace Max Scherzer exited his start against the Twins after six innings yesterday due to what he described to reporters (including Jeff Wilson of Rangers Today) as a “little forearm tightness” and wasn’t sure he’d be able to pitch the seventh. That being said, Scherzer downplayed the severity of the issue, suggesting that his priority is to ensure that the issue doesn’t “turn into a forearm strain or Tommy John.”

Even though Scherzer downplays the issue, it’s surely worrisome for Rangers fans that he’s facing any issue at all. The veteran right-hander has posted a phenomenal 2.21 ERA (198 ERA+) and 2.48 FIP in his first six starts with the club since being acquired from the Mets ahead of the trade deadline back in July. With Jacob deGrom out for the year and Nathan Eovaldi on the injured list already, Scherzer will be key for a Rangers club looking to stay in a three-way race for the AL West crown that they were dominating earlier in the season, to say nothing of his importance as a key cog in their projected postseason rotation alongside fellow deadline acquisition Jordan Montgomery. In the event Scherzer misses a start or two while erring on the side of caution regarding his forearm, Texas could turn to right-hander Owen White or lefties Cody Bradford and Martin Perez to fill in for the future Hall of Famer when his turn in the rotation next comes up on Wednesday.

More from MLB’s West divisions…

  • Superstar Mike Trout spoke with reporters (including Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register) regarding the future of the Angels organization this afternoon. Anaheim, of course, waived a number of pending free agents including prized deadline addition Lucas Giolito earlier this week, effectively conceding the 2023 campaign in a failed bid to duck under the luxury tax threshold before the season ends. “There are going to be some conversations in the winter, for sure.” Trout said, “Just to see the direction of everything and what the plan is.” Trout refused to comment on the possibility of a trade when asked if he could imagine a scenario where he would ask to be moved, though with two-way superstar Shohei Ohtani likely departing for free agency this offseason and a protracted rebuild potentially on the horizon for the Angels, it would certainly be understandable if the 32-year-old Trout wished to continue his career elsewhere in hopes of reaching a World Series.
  • Padres catcher Austin Nola has had a brutal year at the plate in 2023, slashing just .146/.260/.192 in 154 trips to the plate with San Diego. An explanation for those struggles has seemingly been uncovered, as Jeff Sanders of the San Diego Union-Tribune relays that Nola has been diagnosed with oculomotor dysfunction, an issue that impacts the brain’s ability to coordinate eye movement. Nola referenced Yankees first baseman Anthony Rizzo and his issues with post-concussion syndrome as a catalyst for his decision to discuss symptoms, which included fogginess and headaches, with the Padres. The Padres have been using a catching tandem of Gary Sanchez and Luis Campusano in recent weeks as Nola tried to work things out at the Triple-A level. Nola hopes to return to the field in the minors before the Triple-A season ends on September 24.
  • Dodgers slugger J.D. Martinez is trending toward a return to the big league club next weekend, per the Orange County Register’s Bill Plunkett. Plunkett relays that Martinez will begin a brief rehab assignment at Triple-A later this week and in the meantime will take swings at Camelback Ranch in Arizona. Martinez, 35, has been on the injured list for the past two weeks due to groin tightness and was slashing .256/.309/.547 with 25 home runs and a 126 wRC+ in 390 trips to the plate before going on the shelf.
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  1. fre5hwind

    4 weeks ago

    The fact that Nola is still hitting in the major league level with a dysfunction is crazy

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    • unpaidobserver

      4 weeks ago

      I believe it was Jakob Dylan who said “we can drive it home with one headlight.”

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      • avenger65

        4 weeks ago

        I wonder if Nola’s physical problems has anything to do with Michael Fulmer hitting him in the face with a pitch during ST.

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          The article that is referenced in the SDUT says it does along with all the times a catcher gets hit in the mask during a season..

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  2. getrealgone2

    4 weeks ago

    Max and being worn out at the end of year. Like clockwork

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    • fredziffel78

      4 weeks ago

      Yet, if his contract was up, someone would still offer him 5 yrs at a gizillion dollars.

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  3. 30 Parks

    4 weeks ago

    Trout to Philly.

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    • avenger65

      4 weeks ago

      30 Parks: Harper chose the Phillies because his wife is from NJ and it was close enough where she’d be able to visit her family. Trout is from NJ. It might be his chance to win a WS. Then again, the Angels might not trade him there.

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      • Rsox

        4 weeks ago

        The Phillies do not have the farm system to get Trout and even if they did would it be worth it at this point in his career when he hasn’t played close to a full season since 2019?
        On the wrong side of 30 with 7 years and nearly $260 million left on his contract would be a mighty hard sell

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          Seems .like you are contradicting yourself

          You say the Phillies don’t have the prospects to trade for Teout, then bring up the fact that his contract makes him a not very valuable asset.

          As is, the Amgels would likey have to give more talent away to get someone to take on Trout’s full contract. The Phillies would get a prospect, not give any up.

          Of course, that’s only one way to even out the contract.

          Another is for the Angels to pay the contract down. If the Angels paid it down to the point where both teams thought it was a fair price for Trout, the Angels should be willing to trade that contract for a prospect of basically 0 value.

          The most likely scenario, of course, is that the Angels pay down a lot of Trout’s contract so that his expected production is higher than his contract value. They’d then expect the prospect return to make up for that difference.

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      • Smacky

        4 weeks ago

        Mike Trout doesn’t care about baseball. He’s all about living the Orange County beach life. The weather and the money are hard to beat.

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        • prov356

          4 weeks ago

          Smacky – No player in MLB cares more about baseball than Trout.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          You know him? He told you that?

          You’re a mind reader?

          Or you pulled it completely out 9f your ass?

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        • prov356

          4 weeks ago

          I know him as well as smack does. Why aren’t you challenging him on his comment? No one who has watched trout’s career would ever believe he he doesn’t care about baseball.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          Prov:
          I was challenging Smacy

          The way this site threads replies isn’t great

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          You know him better than Smacky. Trout is still likely to spend much of the off-season in New Jersey, where he likely is more comfortable.

          I have no idea what he will do, but raising a kid in So Cal is a lot more difficult than Raising a kid in South New Jersey.

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        • prov356

          4 weeks ago

          Yep. Sorry for getting on you. All good.

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        • Smacky

          4 weeks ago

          The LA media sure doesn’t think he cares about winning as he’s been in the playoffs once and hasn’t asked to be traded or gotten loud about complaining about the team to management. It’s been the narrative out here for years. He didn’t have to sign the extension.

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        • Smacky

          4 weeks ago

          usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nighte…

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          Smacky:

          One interpretation is that he doesn’t care about subbing

          Another is that he doesn’t complain publicly

          There are probably others

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        • Smacky

          4 weeks ago

          He had the chance to go to Philly and he didn’t take it. He decided to stay on a bad team in a State with a very high income tax. That could lead one to believe that he doesn’t care about winning as much as staying where he is.

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          If Nightengale said it, it is guaranteed to be wrong. Look at his track record.

          Not one writer in the LA market has said that Trout doesn’t care about winning. The guys that are with the team all the time see how he prepares and how he plays day in and day out.

          You know who complains publicly? Losers. Players that are not adding to the team chemistry or the bottom line.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          I think you are spot on Web.

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          He DIDN”T have a chance to go to Phily. They never made him an offer because he was never a Free Agent. WTF is wrong with you?

          You are dumb and poor enough to think that the players pay their taxes where they live and that people in the top tax brackets pay the same percentage you poor slobs pay.

          Players pay taxes where they play the games.
          The average state income tax PAID in CA for 1% earners, and all MLB players are in the 1%, is 3.25%.
          PA has a 3.07% flat tax with no deductions.
          Not much difference in what they actually pay.

          Here is what is even more important, total tax burden.
          wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-b…

          Less than a 1% difference, Now tell me where you would rather live. Orange County on the ocean or Pennsylvania,

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  4. rocky7

    4 weeks ago

    Trout unfortunately for the Angels, if they do decide to move him, and of course if he agrees to a new start, will not get the return that he would have gotten 2 maybe 3 seasons ago….his best years are behind him how…still a really good player but not the GOAT he was considered to be back when……

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    • unpaidobserver

      4 weeks ago

      We always say this and then the Yankees always take it.

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      • Rsox

        4 weeks ago

        The problem is you can only have one DH. That said, this could be the Yankees chance to move Giancarlo Stanton as his four years and $108 million remaing (with $20 million being paid by the Marlins) could be moved to Anaheim to help offset some salary

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          Stanton for Rendon. Angels eat enough to make the money even.

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        • Rsox

          4 weeks ago

          That deal also makes sense from a financial standpoint. Problem is Rendon can’t stay on the field and the Yankees just ate one injury prone Third Baseman’s contract just to get rid of him, seems unlikely they would trade for another

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          Very true.

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    • WestVillageTiger

      4 weeks ago

      The undisputed hands-down best for a decade.
      Gotta count for something…

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      • LonnieB

        4 weeks ago

        Undisputed hands down best for a decade would equal 10mvp’s. Pretty sure that’s not what he has at home.

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          Undisputed, hands-down best over the last decade

          fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…

          If he retired today, Trout goes to the HOF.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          4 weeks ago

          All that production and just a taste of post season play … where he layed an egg. I’d like to see a HOF for performance achievement in post season play only.

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          One player does not carry a team to the playoffs. No one. 12 ABs is not even close to a large enough sample size to make any indication of player ability.

          Trout is the undisputed best player of the last decade. There is really no argument against that.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          4 weeks ago

          Hey websoulsurfer, superstars are superstars because they show up regardless of the time of season. He layed an egg in the playoffs. His slash line for that season should have naturally and effortlessly continued in to the post season. That said, a hell of a ballplayer, agreed.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          CYJ

          Tell me you have no understanding at all of the concept of sample size.

          Sports talk has poisoned people’s minds

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        • C Yards Jeff

          4 weeks ago

          filihok; Trout got a huge payday in the spring of 2014. And he was bigtime in the regular season (MVP). Great stuff.

          This article says he’s a superstar. Probably; maybe? To your point, small post season sample size to truly know . That said; superstars show up regardless of time of season and time of the game. .083 in 2014 post season (and made the last out against KC). IMO, unless he was playing with injury, that regular season MVP slash line should have effortlessly carried in to the post season.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          Jeff

          Thats just a bunch of blah blah blah

          It doesn’t mean anything

          Anything can happen over 12 freaking plate appearances.

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        • websoulsurfer

          4 weeks ago

          12 ABs is ridiculously small and shows absolutely nothing. He had 12 AB stretches in 2014 where he hit .833 and ones where he hit .083. It. Means. Nothing.

          Do you know what does mean something? That he played well enough for the entire season to be the MVP of the league.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          4 weeks ago

          Websoul + filihok; I see your point. Took a look at Harper’s career post season stats. He’s seen quite a bit of action. At a glance his overall numbers are impressive but man o’ man he indeed had some dry patches. Cheers!

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  5. flamingbagofpoop

    4 weeks ago

    I really hope Mike Trout goes somewhere else and can finally manage to stay healthy.

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    • Homer Simpson

      4 weeks ago

      I like the idea of Mike Trout talking to management about the future of the Angels put more pressure on Arte Moreno to sell the Team or trade Mike Trout
      Arte Moreno you still have your boy
      Anthony Rendón
      How embarrassing

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      • Halo11Fan

        4 weeks ago

        Anthony Rendon is likely much better money spent next year than Anderson, Fletcher and Stassi.

        At least when Rendon plays the Angels win games.

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        • Homer Simpson

          4 weeks ago

          Are you talking about the same person Anthony Rendón wheelchair Anthony Rendón at least David Fletcher will be in the lineup while Randon is enjoying his vacation

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        • Rsox

          4 weeks ago

          Everyone on this site said Anderson would suffer stark regression upon leaving the Dodgere, yet the Angels foolishly committed to 3 years on a guy after a career year.

          Stassi is dead weight and probably shopped over the winter. Fletcher too seems like a change of scenery candidate.

          There is zero reason to believe Rendon will provide any more value than any of those players next season or any of the remaing 3 years on his contract

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          Is Fletcher going to be in the lineup?

          I’d rather have Rendon At least when he’s in the lineup, which hasn’t been often the Angels win.

          Low bar.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          I think Rendon has the best chance.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          Yikes

          Hot taek culture rots and claims another brain

          Muted Homer Simpson

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      • Smacky

        4 weeks ago

        Don’t you think this might have been a good idea 5-7 years ago?

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  6. Mikenmn

    4 weeks ago

    As a Yankees fan I just want to recall how brilliant the trade of Montgomery was for Bader. Magnificent. Farsighted. A tribute to a great front office..

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    • getrealgone2

      4 weeks ago

      I know you’re being facetious, but what the hell were they thinking?

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      • uvmfiji

        4 weeks ago

        Bader hit five home runs in the postseason. You make that trade over and over again.

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        • avenger65

          4 weeks ago

          uvmfiji: Only if the reason you got Bader was for the PO and nothing more. But I like Bader. I hope he helps the Reds keep winning and knock the cubs out of a WC spot. No ny, no cubs. My ideal post season.

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      • LordD99

        4 weeks ago

        They needed a CFer and the market for CFers was near bone dry in the off season. I sure wouldn’t have wanted them to outbid Cohen for Nimmo and be paying $25MM a year for him the next seven years. They had a deep pitching staff until injuries and under performance hit them this season. They were dealing from strength. How big a difference would Montgomery make? Two wins? They’d still have a losing record. Easier to see why they did the deal with context and when looking at the bigger picture. Montgomery is a free agent this off season, but I sure hope they don’t pay to bring him back based on the projected contract.

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  7. deepseamonster32

    4 weeks ago

    $37 million for 7 more years, hasn’t played a full season since 2016, and at 32 years old had easily his worst season since his partial 1st season.

    Gonna need to eat a lot of money to get anything back for the legend.

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    • longines64

      4 weeks ago

      Kind of reminds me of the Ryan Howard deal in Philly. Way over the top in $ and length. Lost any ability to hit LH pitching and then blew out his Achilles.

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      • unpaidobserver

        4 weeks ago

        With Howard tho no one at the time thought it would be a good deal…

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      • filihok

        4 weeks ago

        Except, not,really like that at all.

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      • lesterdnightfly

        4 weeks ago

        Shame on him for tearing his Achilles tendon. So selfish.

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    • Samuel

      4 weeks ago

      deepseamonster32;

      Difficult to watch this.

      But as with Starling Marte of the Mets, Tyler O’Neill of the Cardinals, multiple While Sox sluggers over the years and quite a few others, the style of play in MLB has never lent itself well to muscle-bound / weightlifter types over a period of time. They tend to go on for a while, then suffer periods of injuries where they’re incapacitated for the better part of years. Am primarily talking position players here. Can’t seem to think of muscle-bound pitchers succeeding for even that amount of time. I’ve seen big players succeed. But not guys that seem to lack range of motion.

      Most MLB players do lift weights to some degree to build up strength. But they don’t become muscle-bound.

      Unlike other team sports, baseball players can’t play their careers specializing in one thing – they’re either position players or pitchers, and have to perform all functions associated with the position they’re playing.

      Mike Trout may have been a wonderful running back in the NFL for a period of time.

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      • avenger65

        4 weeks ago

        Samuel: All I heard growing up was that weightlifting was like kryptonite to bb players. Then, to the horror of some, Carlton Fisk started lifting weights and it helped make him an even better hitter. He said it also helped with his energy behind the plate. He did it the right way. But it does seem an awful lot of players have fallen in love with big muscles. However, I wouldn’t say that players who have built themselves up are injury prone. I doubt Buehler, McKenzie or Sale have ever lifted anything heavier than five pounds, but they’ve all had injury problems. I don’t know if Trout’s physique has anything to do with living in the weight room or if it’s genetics. All I know is that if I was starting a team, Trout would be my first pick. Also, one thing I have noticed is how many fat pitchers there are. Lynn was asked about his weight a couple years ago. He said he works with a trainer during the off-season who gets him ready to pitch 32 games a year. Maybe, but it does seem that his belt is less visible every year.

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  8. JayRyder

    4 weeks ago

    Trout, Red Sox ?

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    • THEY LIVE!!!

      4 weeks ago

      Padres? They need a CF.

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    • GaryWarriorsRedSoxx

      4 weeks ago

      Not the Red Sox way. Really hasn’t been in a long time. When a guy hits 30 and makes big dollars or is expected to, they usually let him walk.

      Johnny damon, Jason Bay, Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra, Wade Boggs, the list goes on throughout their history.

      So I don’t think even though this is a new regime, I think they continue the thoughts of letting guys walk at 30 and big dollars. Look at Mookie.

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  9. THEY LIVE!!!

    4 weeks ago

    Can’t imagine Trout playing anywhere else. Dodgers ? Only if Moreno sells the team.

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    • Blue Baron

      4 weeks ago

      Mets. Uncle Steve can afford it.

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  10. Edp007

    4 weeks ago

    First time I’ve heard trout publicly commenting a “let’s see”.
    I changed my mind. Ohtani is gone. So is trout.
    Sorry for the next decade Angel fans

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    • NativeAmerican

      4 weeks ago

      Arte is and has been the problem. Until go sells, Angels will suck.

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  11. JoeBrady

    4 weeks ago

    it would certainly be understandable if the 32-year-old Trout wished to continue his career elsewhere
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    Funny, bur I never hear the writers say the same things about the clubs when they want to move on from a star player.

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    • filihok

      4 weeks ago

      Right

      They’ve been instructed by corporations to look at thinks from the corporate point of view to foist the corporate point of view onto people so that most people default to the corporate point of view.

      For example: lists of “worst contracts”. Those are always contracts that are bad for the team? Why aren’t those good contracts? They are good for the player.

      Articles about teams getting rid of players usually frame it as the player getting old and won’t be worth their salary anymore. Again, looking at it from the ownership side.

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  12. DarkSide830

    4 weeks ago

    I lowkey wonder if I have something along the lines of what Nola has.

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    • avenger65

      4 weeks ago

      DarkSide830: It depends. Have you run into Michael Fulmer recently?

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      4 weeks ago

      Go see an optometrist who has education and experience in neuro-optometry and vision therapy.

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    • filihok

      4 weeks ago

      Go see your doctor

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  13. Angels & NL West

    4 weeks ago

    Many bemoan the fact that the Angels have wasted Trouts best years, but few acknowledge that Trout is part of the problem. He’s only played 53% of the Angels games the past four seasons and hasn’t played more than 140 since 2016. It doesn’t matter how good you are if you can’t post.

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    • SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres

      4 weeks ago

      That has a lot to do with a training staff. Over the past few years we saw at least what one of those dudes was focused more on.

      Angles, like the Padres, do a really good job of taking good/great players and beating them into mediocre players. It’s like a gifting for both ball clubs.

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    • filihok

      4 weeks ago

      Of course it matters how good you are.

      Like, what?

      86 games of Trout is a lot better than 86 games of Mike Moustakas. Or 162 games of Mike Moustakas.

      Why do people say such obviously untrue things?

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      • Angels & NL West

        4 weeks ago

        Jacob deGrom was awesome in the 30 innings he pitched this year. Thirty innings of deGrom is better than 160+ IP by Dane Dunning?

        Availability may be the greatest ability. You gotta post.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          A&NLW:

          Better than 160 innings of Dane Dunning? Probably not.

          Better than 160 innings of Corey Kluber? Probably

          So, what’s the differentiating fact9r here? Player ability or player availability?

          I’d say it’s obviously the former.

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        • Angels & NL West

          4 weeks ago

          Without even considering their $35+ million annual salaries, how much good are Trout and deGrom doing their teams right now? Is the Rangers front office grateful for the 30 IP deGrom gave them or wishing he was available for the playoff push?

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          A&NLW

          That’s the wrong question to ask

          The better question to ask is how much they helped their team during the season

          Trout added about 3 wins and deGrom between 1 and 2.

          You can bet your ass the Rangers were happier to have had deGrom this year than they would have been if they had had Corey Kluber.

          Same with Trout and, say, Jurickson Profar

          Any knowledgeable baseball fan should understand that.

          Do you understand that?

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        • Angels & NL West

          4 weeks ago

          Sorry, I don’t think $35+ million per/WAR is what the Rangers had in mind when they signed deGrom. Nor do I believe MLB GMs will be looking to pay $35+ million/WAR this offseason. Agree to disagree.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          A&NLW:
          “Without even considering their $35+ million annual salaries”

          “Sorry, I don’t think $35+ million per/WAR is what the Rangers had in mind when they signed deGrom”

          Come on man.

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        • Angels & NL West

          4 weeks ago

          That’s why availability is so important.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          A&NLW:

          Sigh

          You are all over the place. That’s what happens when you don’t have a coherent argument.

          Of course both quality and quantity of performance matter

          Do we agree there?

          If so, then it follows logically that a player who only plays a fraction of their teams games can still be a valuable contributor. And a more valuable contributor than a player who plays all, or nearly all, of a team’s games.

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        • Angels & NL West

          4 weeks ago

          My point from the start and throughout is that players need to post. Players that don’t post consistently are less valuable than those that do. That’s why Freddie Freeman is more valuable than Trout.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          A&NLW

          “Players that don’t post consistently are less valuable than those that do”

          That is, obviously, not true

          And unless you think Jurickson Profar has been more valuable than Corey Seager, you know it.

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        • Homer Simpson

          4 weeks ago

          Jacob deGrom Average pay is about $1.2 million per inning.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          HS:

          OK?

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        • Angels & NL West

          4 weeks ago

          fili, you are comparing $185 million dollar man deGrom to Kluber as though the Rangers choices at $185M were deGrom vs Kluber. Same with $350+ million man Seager vs Profar. When a club spends $35M/year on a player such as Trout, deGrom, Rendon, Stanton, etc, they are looking for premium production, not one WAR. Availability matters, posting matters and contract size matters.

          I cant change your mind and vice-versa. Again, agree to disagree. Have a good day.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          I agree with him. The last few years Freeman has been better. For far too many years Garrett Anderson was better than Tim Salomon because Salmon didn’t play enough and GAs number one ability was his availability.

          As a player, Anderson couldn’t carry Tim Salmons jock.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          A&NLW

          I’m comparing two concepts

          The players are incidental

          A player who provides 3 WAR in 81 games was more valuable than a player who provided 2 WAR in 162 games.

          If you don’t understand that concept, I agree that it’s not worth any more of my time to attempt to explain it

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          Filihok, In that abstract, probably.

          It depends on who is taking his innings. If it’s someone like Suarez or Barria, then no.

          But typically, I would say what you wrote is true.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          H11F:

          Players fit differently on certain teams, sure

          That doesn’t make a 3 WAR performance less valuable than a 2 WAR performance because of what their teammates do, though

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        • Angels & NL West

          4 weeks ago

          Your not taking into account the opportunity cost. In the case of deGrom, what could the Rangers have done with $35+ million were it not allocated to a guy that can’t post? Would the Rangers be better if they had added seven $5M relief pitchers to their BP were the money not tied up in deGrom? Would they collectively have more than 0.8 WAR?

          Also, your not taking into account the WAR of the SP6 that replaces deGrom. What is the average WAR of a SP4 or SP5? Is it 1, 0, -1, -2, -3? What is the average WAR of a SP6 that makes 27 starts because deGrom can’t post? For $35+ million, the Rangers get 0.8 WAR from deGrom and -4 WAR from the SP6 that replaces him in the rotation.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          A&NLW

          Astute of you to notice that I’m not bringing that up, since that’s not at all the point that I’m arguing

          The point that I’m arguing is that “availability is the greatest ability”. Players who play less can be more productive than players that play more.

          Even knowing Trout was going to miss half the games, I’d still rather have him than most players in baseball. And so would every reasonably knowledgeable baseball fan.

          Do you agree?

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          I certainly don’t want to get in the specifics of deGrom, and that’s because I don’t want to study it. I actually do my homework.

          Availability is a great talent. People who can play everyday give the team stability. Not having to deal with plan “B” gives team’s advantages, providing plan “A” is solid.

          That’s what made GA a valuable player. He wasn’t a great player by any means, but something can be said about him in the lineup everyday.

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  14. GONEcarlo

    4 weeks ago

    Does Trout have a no-trade?

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    • Tanana and Ryan and Two Days of Cryin’

      4 weeks ago

      Full

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  15. aragon

    4 weeks ago

    Trout isn’t going anywhere. He is telling the owner to either sell the team or build a winner. He can retire now to play golf eeryday on his upcoming TPC ready course.

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    • filihok

      4 weeks ago

      Trout has some pull with the org, he doesn’t have enough pull to make the owner sell. What?

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    • AngelBum

      4 weeks ago

      So you know exactly what Trout is thinking right? So tell me Einstein what does Arte think of all this?

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      • filihok

        4 weeks ago

        AngelBum: Einstein wasn’t dumb enough to think he could read people’s minds. Don’t insult Albert by comparing him to these people.

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  16. Mark Smith

    4 weeks ago

    Trout can’t really be traded. He’s owed too much and injured too much. A trade would end up being bad for the Angels since they wouldn’t get much back in a trade or they’d have to pay too much of his salary.

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    • filihok

      4 weeks ago

      Trout has a market value.

      Baseball Trade Values has that value at -96 million

      baseballtradevalues.com/players/9604/

      That’s based on his contract and expected performance. Of course, different people can have differing opinions on his expected performance which will alter his overall value.

      Of course the Angels can trade him.

      They have calculated his total value based on their expected performance for him.

      The same is true for any players the Angels might receive in trade for him.

      If the Angels feel the expected value of what they are getting in return is greater than what Trout provides, they’ll trade him. If not, they won’t.

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    • LonnieB

      4 weeks ago

      Trouts value is in jersey sales and butts in seats. That’s why Ohtani is worth more than his otherworldly talents as well. Players like that are what attract the fans.

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      • filihok

        4 weeks ago

        LB:

        That too, yes

        Butthe on field value for both players is still huge

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      • Halo11Fan

        4 weeks ago

        The Angels dont make a ton of money from Jersey sales, MLB does. The money is split. I don’t think the Angels get a much bigger piece of those sales than the Pirates.

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        • filihok

          4 weeks ago

          Halo11Fan:

          I have no idea how that money is distributed, please share if you do.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 weeks ago

          MLB merchandising is split evenly. The Angels may get big a bigger piece of Team Store sales,, but most of that goes to pool. I don’t know what the Angels make on Team Store sales.

          But if a person buys an Ohtani jersey in the mall, the Pirates make as much as the Angels.

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  17. aussiegiants53

    4 weeks ago

    Is this th off-season in which Trout tells the Angels to trade him? Like it’s time, send him to the Phillies, they’ll pay his contract, the PR money he would bring would be huge. Angels are a disaster right now, they might not get the prospect capital but they need to move on. #catchandreleaseTrout

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  18. MPrck

    4 weeks ago

    Whatever Scherzer or Verlander does or doesn’t do for their current teams it’s no big deal. The Mets owner has subsidized each one to the current teams. Cohen is paying full price, and the other teams are benefiting by it. He took the risk. He’s paying some of the cost. Texas, and Houston along with their fans can just enjoy the fact they have two quality pitchers at discount prices.

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  19. OhioDodger

    4 weeks ago

    The real joke is that Rendon makes more per year than Trout. What were they thinking when they made that deal with Rendon. Angels really do need to trade Trout and tank like the Astros did a few years ago. A full blown tear down and rebuild. Maybe they would contend in 5 years.

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  20. OhioDodger

    4 weeks ago

    Scherzer will come up with a dead arm when the Rangers need him the most.

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  21. Atloriolesfan

    4 weeks ago

    The Angels are getting zero prospects for Trout. They have an opportunity to buy prospects by sending money. And Trout’s preferred team has zero consequence. He can fester in Anaheim as a gorgotten star or go where the Angels get the best deal. Speculating on his preferences is silly.

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    • filihok

      4 weeks ago

      AOF:

      You are, like so many people, looking at the issue exactly backwards

      Imagine the return if the Angels agreed to pay ALL of Trout’s salary. It’d be huge.

      Trout is still an enormously valuable player. Just not as valuable as his contract is costly.

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  22. DugoutJester

    4 weeks ago

    Scherzers got the stamina of a sloth come September.

    Prediction: Texas gets swept by the Mariners with Scherzer losing game three on Sept 24th effectively knocking Texas out of wildcard contention.

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  23. Edp007

    4 weeks ago

    Most people will flog me , but hasn’t trout done the Barry bonds look over his career. Take a look at pic from start of career and later when the traps look like a wwe star and no neck.
    Also guys who juice or juiced get hurt all the time.
    Those are signs. We all know the signs.
    I’m not saying Mikey is a juicer. Let’s be clear.
    The no neck is coz he trains hard naturally, and the injuries are coz he plays hard. Of course. But I will say no one’s ever at least brought up the subject.
    Any thoughts ?

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 weeks ago

      Juicing keeps you healthy. But it will cause health issues later in life.

      Reply
    • DarkSide830

      4 weeks ago

      Man, I get some kinda vibe from Mike. I dunno why. Maybe it’s just the contratian in me, but there is something about him that feels off to me.

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      • Halo11Fan

        4 weeks ago

        He’s off because he signs autographs before every game, married his high school sweetheart, never gets into trouble, never says a bad word, openly loves his parents and like spending time with them.

        He’s off because he’s basically a character on the Ozzie and Harriet Show. They don’t make them like that anymore.

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        • Edp007

          4 weeks ago

          Ever been to one of those hardcore gyms in S Jersey ?

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      • filihok

        4 weeks ago

        DS:

        It is undoubtedly because of you and nothing to do with him

        Glad I could clear that up

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    • websoulsurfer

      4 weeks ago

      Not seeing it.

      ebay.com/itm/204438344546?var=0&mkevt=1&…

      ebay.com/itm/305099643390?epid=18055933360&ha…

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  24. Wren

    4 weeks ago

    wonder how much Julio will make. what a clown.

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  25. Chicks dig bunting

    4 weeks ago

    Dodgers better get rid of Julio urlis. As they did Trevor Bauer woman beater

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  26. Chicks dig bunting

    4 weeks ago

    That dodgers picture just got busted for domestic abuse he needs to be banned from the league like Trevor Butler if not then Trevor Bauer needs to sue Major League baseball they let that guy from Atlanta back he beat a woman there and if they don’t get rid of this picture and ban him from MLB and ban Ozuna then they’re doing this because Trevor Bauer is white

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    • filihok

      4 weeks ago

      CDB

      Tell me this is not a serious taek.

      It’s perfect parody

      If it’s real, get help.

      Bauer was not banned from the league. Just for the record.

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  27. Chicks dig bunting

    4 weeks ago

    You know he was hok no team signing Bauer he was black listed same as band hok

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