Michael Conforto and Sean Manaea can each opt out of the final year of their contracts with the Giants, with Conforto owed $18MM in 2024 and Manaea $12.5MM. Neither player has yet decided whether or not they’ll opt out, with Conforto telling NBC Sports Bay Area’s Alex Pavlovic that “I think the good thing is it’ll be a hard decision, but I don’t think there’s a bad outcome really. It will be tough, just because I’m very close with these guys and the uncertainty there could give you a little bit of anxiety, but again, there are a lot of conversations that have to happen before I’m even close to knowing what I want to do.”
Conforto hit .239/.334/.384 over 470 plate appearances in a season shortened by a hamstring injury, while Manaea posted a 4.44 ERA over 117 2/3 innings while working as a starter, long reliever, and bulk pitcher behind an opener. Manaea might be the likelier of the two to find a larger deal on the open market, as Pavlovic notes that a multi-year agreement could be possible since teams are forever in need of pitching. Conforto could remain with the Giants and hope for a better platform year before re-entering the market next winter, though he’d be rejoining an outfield/DH picture that already looks crowded, and the Giants might still be making more moves to the outfield to add both athleticism and hitting pop.
Here’s more from around the NL West…
- The Diamondbacks’ acquisition of Paul Sewald has proven to be one of the trade deadline’s most impactful moves, as The Arizona Republic’s Theo Mackie writes that the Snakes’ once-unsteady bullpen has turned into a strength. From August 19 until the end of the regular season, Arizona relievers combined for a 2.94 ERA, with Sewald himself delivering a 2.84 ERA over 12 2/3 innings in that stretch, closing out nine of 10 save chances. As noted by Mackie and D’Backs GM Mike Hazen, establishing Sewald as the closer allowed the team to stick to a pretty set formula for their bullpen usage, and this routine has helped the Diamondbacks both reach the playoffs and advance to the NLCS.
- The Dodgers’ roster is broken down by J.P. Hoornstra of the Southern California News Group, with an eye towards whether or not several players could be back in Los Angeles in 2024. Among the free agents, Hoornstra likes the chances of a reunion with Enrique Hernandez, as the utilityman’s multi-positional ability could help add depth if a DH-only player (i.e. Shohei Ohtani) were to join the roster. On the other hand, David Peralta is basically limited to just left field and only against right-handed pitching, so it seems like L.A. might prefer internal options. There also seems to be a chance the Dodgers will re-sign Jason Heyward, which could make Peralta further “redundant” since Heyward is also a left-handed hitter and a more versatile outfielder.
Neon Cop
I don’t think Ohtani wants to play for LAD. The fanbase is way too backward and obnoxious. Plus he wouldn’t really move the needle for them; the lineup is already too top-heavy.
LostRealist
Congrats. This might be the most idiotic sports-related comment I’ve ever seen on the internet. Good god, what a stupid take.
Neon Cop
Yours immediately became #1. Congrats.
Braves Butt-Head
There’s clearly a lot of pent up sexual tension between LostRealist and Neon Cop.
Kinda like Sam and Diane had from Cheers.
Neon Cop
Lost Realist must be one of those backward and obnoxious Dodger fans I mentioned. Very aggro.
Niekro floater
Get a room !
BetterThanYou
Neon Cop is obviously the power bottom.
leftcoaster
I agree.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I agree that the Dodgers need starting pitching more than an elite DH or corner outfielder. If I was the Dodgers management, I would much rather get both Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Blake Snell combined rather than Ohtani as much as Ohtani is amazing.
His comment about Ohtani not liking the Los Angeles fan base is silly.
Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.
I personally see the Padres Mariners or Giants signing him.
I think Padres dive deep into international waters looking at
Lee (if they trade Soto) out of south korea,
Yamamoto and Imanaga to replace Snell and Lugo in rotation
Matsui (replace Hader)
Probably not sign them all but definitely think they go hard on international guys and look to sign ohtani.
So could giants and mariners
Pads Fans
Padres are the favorites to sign Lee.
Soto won’t be traded. He may be extended.
Padres are one of a handful of teams that sent their GM to scout and meet with Yamamoto. One of those GM’s is no longer in MLB.
Pretty good chance that either Lugo or Wacha will get resigned by the Padres.
Padres go after Ohtani only if they are unable to extend Soto.
Tyson’s Pet Tiger
@padsfan lol anything else? seem to be a bit delusional my guy.
vtadave
2024 is the Padres year!
Pads Fans
Truth is hard to take in your world, Pet?
amk1920
It’s not top heavy. Mookie and Freddie just didn’t show up. Rojas won’t be starting games next year
Garvey6
I’m curious what is so backward or obnoxious about the fan base? And how can you say he wouldn’t move the needle?
Neon Cop
Well, a Dodger fan stabbed a guy. Plus there are constant brawls at the stadium. Just trashy people all-around.
Tyson’s Pet Tiger
@neoncop get some new material bozo
Neon Cop
You haven’t refuted anything I said. Come back when you figure out how a brain works.
Rick Wilkins
Saying Ohtani “doesn’t move the needle” is absolutely ridiculous. You should get hammered for such a stupid comment. Definitely a terrible take.
Lets Go DBacks
Ohtani was on the Angels squad and it didn’t move “the needle” for the Angels either, so it’s not a ridiculous comment from that perspective.
ForeverGiantsFan
The Dodgers win 100+ yearly and make the playoffs. Angels don’t make the playoffs.
Neon Cop
Are you familiar with the Angels roster the past few years? Trout, Ohtani? No guarantee of success, dingdong.
DodgerDan
Thats the problem with the Dodgers, Very top heavy. We should have kept Seager.
niel.marshal
Dodgers need to overhaul their rotation. sign more good SP. Just sign Trevor Bauer, now we know for sure the girl he hang out with is crazy, Amber Heard crazy. And add Yamamoto. Move on from Kershaw. Buehler, Miller, Pepiot and Sheehan, and Bauer and Yamamoto, thats a good rotation staff. Re-sign Shelby Miller and Ryan Brasier, and put Michael Grove in the Bullpen.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
“Crazy” is high praise.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Dodgers should be happy to sign Kershaw to a one year deal. He is still an elite regular season pitcher. There is no other pitcher at his talent level who is available on a one-year deal. They just need two other elite pitchers who carry that skill to the post-season.
Bauer is not coming back to the Dodgers, none of his teammates wanted him back. I would not be surprised if a team offers Bauer a one-year deal, but first Bauer is going to have to start acting humble and apologetic in public and the team that makes the offer will not be in a liberal state like California, where a team owner would be harming profits. Business owners should be able to make decisions good for business and Bauer will not be good for Dodgers business even if he regained his form with the Reds..
mlbdodgerfan2015
Dodgers will never part ways with Kershaw. As long as he wants to pitch for the Dodgers he’ll pitch for the Dodgers. That said, his stuff declined significantly at end of season so would not be surprised if he’s closer to retirement. And you can’t count on him to be able to pitch full season or playoffs. Need to have Plan B, C and D.
Buehler is going to be really rusty so a decent chance 2024 is not an elite season. Having not pitched much last few years.
Bauer? Are you kidding me? That ship has sailed from both sides. Dodgers probably last team likely to sign him.
I would not automatically trust Sheehan or Grove. They need to be Plan C/D type of pitchers. Good depth for now.
Dodgers do need to acquire a #1 or #2 type of SP. Trade if FA market is not attractive.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Kershaw looks dusted to me. He has to throw more junkball now because his velocity has bottomed out. He can still get people out, but if he’s not precisely on the corners he will get hammered. Not surprised if he just retires. And why do they have to be so secretive as to what his actual injury is? Just retire already.
Bill nd
Bauer is the Kapernick of MLB, he had issues in Cleveland and & Cincinnati. If you can’t play for Tito Francona, you can’t play for anyone, Tito wanted him gone.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Kapernic is much worse, though, in my opinion (morally).
RobblyDobs
Ah, the moral high ground. Thank goodness.
dubtastic
exactly what immoral thing has he done..all he wanted to do was bring attention to police beating up people..God forbid he disrespected the flag!
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
The flag? Racial supremacy is an issue. Maybe, he could care a tad bit more about people with different skin colors and not spit in the faces of all those people who waited 20 years to get here. Try to find even 1 example of this movement caring even a tick about a non-black person. Waiting…
dubtastic
looks like u misunderstood the flag comment..and the overall/general reason why Kap took a knee during the anthem..yes, he did it to bring awareness for police beating up African Americans (in particular) but the main idea was the mere fact that there were a few (or most) policemen were busing their power..
dubtastic
and going back to my question to you again..what has Kap done that was considered immoral?
Deleted Userr
Trevor Bauer is the original dindu
iBleeedBlue
Dodgers need to do SOMETHING. So does MLB for that matter. 2nd place teams with the 3 game upset, erasing 162, is garbage. You’ve got 162 games to get yourself into 1st place and the postseason.
Samuel
MLB is a playoff league.
FO’s, managers, and players should know that.
The playoffs aren’t a “crapshoot” or “they just got hot”. Players need to be brought along to peak during the stretch run. Rosters for the playoff series are set based on matchups against the teams opponents.
The Dodgers burn their pitchers out during the season, and a good percentage of their position players had too many weaknesses that could be ignored when playing the also-rans, but were exploited by the good teams in recent post-seasons. And as I wrote numerous times this past season – the NL West was no longer a powerful division. Fans were viewing it based on previous years teams. In particular I kept writing that the Dodgers were really not that good anymore. Their FO needs to do some evaluation as to why so many of their position players aren’t decent fielders, don’t run the bases well; and why so many of their pitchers are being coached in a way where such a high percentage get injured.
I don’t think the DBacks are that good. But Brent Strom has done a remarkable job working with their pitchers since he got there, and it showed during the stretch run. As the above article points out, once Paul Sewald was acquired it allowed the rest of the DBacks bullpen pitchers to perform n roles they are comfortable and successful in. Congrats to the FO and coaching staff for recognizing it as the trade deadline was approaching.
Truth be told – the Dodgers need some reevaluation of their processes, as well as of their manager.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Even last place teams beat the top teams in a 3/4 game series during regular season. You don’t think that’s possible just because it’s playoffs? In a short series anything can happen and does happen. It is true that regular season rewards deeper teams while playoffs is more random.
These teams were better in a 3/5/7 game series, but not in 162 games.
The silliness of playing 162 is that so many teams make the playoffs. Why not condense it to 120? The answer is not adding more teams to avoid byes it’s subtracting playoff teams so that regular season is rewarded. Once upon a time only 4 teams made the playoffs. 12? Why not just 8 so that there is no bye.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
The Dodgers need to stop focusing on the regular season trophy. Try peaking in October instead of August.
Cam
So your advice is basically play better in the playoffs? Groundbreaking, I’m sure they’ve never considered that
BlueSkies_LA
They need to do a lot more than consider it.
ElysianPark
With the balanced schedule, the “weak division” argument doesn’t hold as much water. The Dodgers did VERY well during the regular season versus ALL of the other NL playoff teams combined. It is not like they won 100 games against poor or mediocre teams but couldn’t beat contenders.
They had winning records against all other playoff teams except the Braves. And it wasn’t even close with the others.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
The boys gotta stop choking every October….
Pads Fans
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
iBleeedBlue
I wouldn’t talk much if I were you.
Pads Fans
No whining in my vocabulary. You sure seem to do so often. How does it feel to to realize with absolute certainty that the team you “bleeeed” will continue to lose in the playoffs year after year? Got to hurt knowing that no matter what excuses or whining comes from you that the Dodgers are destined to lose in the playoffs and not just lose, lose in a historical manner. So go ahead and whine some more about the playoff format. It won’t change the Dodger’s destiny.
iBleeedBlue
The Padres have been relevant for about 3 years dude. You’re not wrong about my Dodgers, but your attitude as a fan of a recently decent team who‘s stadium cheers louder for us when we’re in town, is so in line with the bandwagon mentality that has always gripped the SD fans, including your non-existent football team.
Pads Fans
More WAAAA and trying to change the subject from you. Sorry, this is about you and the Dodgers, not the Padres.
So take your whining and go back to Chavez Latrine.
Pads Fans
We won’t see you at Petco. Because you can’t get a ticket. 2024 season tickets are already sold out. Do you know why? Because we are not bandwagon fans.
Guess who you will see at Chavez Latrine for 6 games next season? ME. Unlike San Diego, you can walk up to the gate and buy tickets in LA.
Pads Fans
And I will be there before the 3rd inning and will stay after the 7th inning, unlike Dodgers “fans”.
iBleeedBlue
How stupid are you? Season tickets don’t comprise the entire stadium. There will ALWAYS be tickets available same day at the stadium or on StubHub. Season ticket holders SELL their seats on that platform every single day.
The Dodgers will be happy to take your money, though, so have fun at some of our games next season.
iBleeedBlue
I also said you were right about my Dodgers, so there was no changing of any subjects other than me pointing out the obvious about SD fans.
iBleeedBlue
Having traffic to beat is a long standing Los Angeles issue, so it’s not just the Dodgers. It’s a huge city after all. Not like North Tijuana where you live.
Pads Fans
LMFAO. 7:05 games and Dodgers fans still don’t get there until 8:30.
I come from Bonsall, 98.5 miles, and I get to Padres games at Chavez Latrine on time. Why can’t whiners like you? Just like to make excuses?
That must be why Dodger “fans” leave after the 7th inning too. “Traffic” LMFAO.
I have not paid for a ticket to a Dodger game in the last 7 years. One of my biggest clients gives them to me and I get to sit in his field level box. I will waive to you out in the Pavilion next season.
Padres single game tickets were sold out before the season started so if you actually came to a game at Petco, which I doubt since you complain about traffic to get to Chavez Latrine, you got them on the aftermarket and paid through the nose because few of us sold our tickets. NO ONE in my section sold their tickets to Dodgers fans. In 81 games I never saw anyone sporting gear from any team other than the Red Sox in this area. Not once. The few times I saw tickets in my section for sale they were $300+ dollars per seat on StubHub.
But keep on lying to yourself. Hope you are comforted by your BS.
Lets Go DBacks
Yes, I agree as well that the 2020 season was way too short for a WS to be recognised as such.
ElysianPark
The Dodgers were on pace to win 116 games in 2020. In the two years prior to that and the two years after, they won 100 or more games. So, 2020 was not a fluke.
Besides, did the other 29 teams refuse to play any games that year? Did they refuse to play because winning would have been meaningleess?
Please don’t try to say your team or any other team would have rejected a trophy had they won.
Why did teams play at all in 2020? The ones that lost in the postseason were all pretty upset. So, they obviously valued what they could have won but didn’t.
iBleeedBlue
Had the D’Backs won it all that year instead of rotting away somewhere below the Dodgers for the last decade until TV money allowed them to knock us out this year, you’d be singing a very different tune.
ForeverGiantsFan
I think owners like the format because the additional teams in playoffs mean more revenue. I would be upset to if I was a Dodger fan.
hoof hearted
Trading Sewald- thx for nothing JD.
Seattle missing playoffs because the BP blew it
SadMsFan
Dipoto is a complete moron, we need to fire him. Completely irresponsible and insulting GM.
Samuel
Brendan Dougherty;
He and AJ Preller are pretty much twins. That can build teams that seem to be 90-95% of the way to élite caliber; have a good year or two; but then they can’t get the remaining work done to close the sale…..or “get over the top”.. So they start thrashing around with the roster via signings and trades. The team gets worse, the cycle ends, and they do another ‘tear it down and quickly build it back up’ rebuild.
Heck, I was on here 3 years ago writing that would happen when people were going crazy about Dipoto making trades from his hospital bed – yuk, yuk, yuk. Taking a team from crummy to 90% good with a flurry of moves and expenditures in a short period of time is really not that difficult (The White Sox did that maybe 4-5 years ago and hit a wall shortly thereafter). Most owners and FO’s know that – not so much the baseball media and fans. But the truly smart FO’s don’t cut corners – they build solid organizations of coaches, scouts, analysts, analytical people, etc. and develop a core of players that may not have the most eye-popping statistics, but when others hit a wall they move into overdrive and sprint past them.
The same as in any business.
CBA_Enjoyer
I think the fact that Conforto does not think leaving $18 million on table could go that wrong means he will probably opt out and get a lower AAV / longer guarantee.
Dustyslambchops23
It’s such a thin class, he’s going to be the 5th or 6th best bat on the market.
Only thing is if the Giants can QO him if he opts out that could reduce his market but can’t recall if they can or if his QO counts since he missed a year
Armaments216
Conforto turned down the QO from the Mets a few years ago. He can’t get another QO from the Giants, or from any other team for the rest of his career.
Simm
I think he opts in because he won’t get 18m. So he will take the most money next year and try and have a big year to get a better long term contract. Could he get more then 18 over 2-3 years maybe but not one.
ForeverGiantsFan
As a Giants fan I don’t care if he opts out (at 18 million he’s overpaid).
Pads Fans
Why in the world would you take an arbitrary date like August 19th. Take it from the date he was traded. That is when his impact on the team started.
gmenfan
Dear Conforto and Manaea,
Please opt out!!!
– Giants Fans
kobo77
Haha bingo!!!
amk1920
Ohtani would be nice but the Dodgers need Yamamoto or Snell desperately to supplement their pitching core. They have so many up and coming SPs but not a true #1 you can give the ball to. It killed them this season
ElysianPark
Miller can be a #1 in the future. But I agree that signing Yamamoto would be a very good move.
pepenas34
As fun as it would be to have Ohtani, I don’t see very smart to give to one player 25% or more of the tax limit. Its not about the money because most teams can make it back with the marketing, but the space left for 39 other players, or 25 in the active roster.
I don’t want to be the GM that sings him for 600 over 10, 12 years.
Pads Fans
CBT threshold will be $237 million. Ohtani is not likely to get more than $45 million AAV.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
Notice how when Kapler decided to bat Conforto 3rd, 4th, or 5th, they started to lose every game. Its because Conforto is one of the least clutch players in the game. Need a hit in a close game? He strikesout. When the game is a blowout thats when he gets his hits and homers. Absolutly ridiculous
Pads Fans
Conforto hit .289/.383/.596/.980 in the 60 PA he had in the 3 slot.
The team as a whole hit .242/.336/.429/.765 in 712 PA in the 3 slot.
Conforto hit .229/.290/.340/.630 in 162 PA in the 4 slot
The team as a whole hit .228/.304/.376/.680 in 697 PA in the 4 slot
Conforto hit .326/.420/.488/.908 in 100 PA in the 5 slot
The team as a while hit .255/.332/.404/.736 in 678 PA in the 5 slot
In late and close situations, meaning 7-9th innings with the team team tied, ahead or behind by one, or the tying run on deck, Conforto hit .250/.366/.483/.850
The team as a whole hit .223/.322/.368/.690 in those situations
Overall Conforto hit .239/.334/.384/.718, so he was substantially better when the game was on the line in the late innings.
You were wrong about every single point.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@Pads Fans check out his clutch stats from the last year he played on the Mets and then get back to me
Pads Fans
Those are his clutch stats with the Giants. Which is what YOU were commenting on. It just showed that you are absolutely wrong.
BTW, YOU need to look at his stats with the Mets. His overall was .729 OPS and 100 OPS+ in 2021. His late and close was .781 OPS and 125 OPS+. He was 25% better. Again. you are wrong.
Anything else you would like me to show you that you are completely wrong about today?
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@Pads Fan also when his team was down he batted .196, meanwhile when the Giants were up he batted .280. Nice job omitting that one very important difference from your “unbias” stats
Pads Fans
Late and close means within 1 run either way, up or down a run, tied, or the tying run on deck, which means down by TWO. YOU were the one that claimed he was terrible then. The stats show you were wrong.
You tried to make a claim, and the stats show otherwise.
So again, you are wrong. In fact, you are ALWAYS wrong. But thanks for demonstrating your total and complete lack of knowledge of baseball so clearly.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Pads From where do you generate those stats so quickly ??
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@Ignorant Son-of-a-b go to baseball reference and scroll all the way down on a players page to their Splits, its shown per season. Then press on it and scroll down to where it says clutch stats
Pads Fans
Baseball Reference. Splits specifically. For the team and the player.
baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=confo…
baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&te…
Niekro floater
Facts … nobody is interested in facts. Can make anybody look good or bad w/hard facts. They’re 2busy spewing verbal horse manure 2listen 2facts. Nice refute Pads Fans. Winning.
Old York
No chance either opts out given the garbage-time season they had.
kobo77
Manea had nasty stats coming down the stretch to finish the season. Some team would love to sign him as everyone needs the pitching so I can totally see him opting out.
Niekro floater
Ohtani wants to play 4winner. The Dodgers win plus they’re on westcoast (closer to Japan). Dodgers also have rich history of signing Asian players. So far LAs been his only US home. How many teams can realistically afford making player highest paid ever n not have it handicap they’re payroll. Like there odds, gonna look real good in Dodger blue !
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
Dodgers aren’t winners. Have you watched the playoffs? Rich history of signing Asian players? What club hasn’t? What a hot take.
Hemlock
> Rich history of signing Asian players?
> What club hasn’t?
The Braves. At least not since Kenshin Kawakami on Jan 13, 2009.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Here is the order of what I think is most likely as an Ohtani destination:
Giants, Dodgers, Angels, Mariners.
With no guarantee that he will still be an elite pitcher in 2025, I think that any team that offers Ohtani more than $400 million is making a mistake.
I would prefer to offer him $325 million for ten years with incentives of an additional $15 million per year for each season that he has a dozen quality starts. In this market, I don’t think my proposal would get it done, so I would pass.
Pads Fans
Ohtani will get the same or a higher AAV than Judge as “just” a hitter. Because he is younger, he will also get more years. So something like 12/480 as just a hitter is reasonable..
If you want to add incentives for starts, it cannot be for quality starts. That is not allowed in the CBA. It would have to be on simple number of starts. So maybe $10 million for 20 starts plus an additional $500k per start beyond that.
You also have to keep in mind that Ohtani brings in sponsorship money that no other player in history has. The Angels said that he was worth $30-35 million per year in sponsorship money for the team all by himself That does not include the number of ticket sold to people coming ONLY to see Ohtani play.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
The return on investment would be great if they signed Ohtani. But personally, they could spend the same amount on a few pieces and put together a better team.
Niekro floater
Exactly, there are other priorities that would help get Dodgers over hump n signing Ohtani is luxury. JD had 100 rbi’s outa DH spot this season 4em. Could spend that $ on cpl different players n get better results w/more complete tm. How’d Ohtani do making Angel’s world beaters ? It’s still team sport n u need depth over long hard season. Only cpl tms can handle his upcoming contract w/o cutting their own throats w/2 large a financial commitment. Really need stronger starting pitching.
highheat
I’m definitely glad to see the Sewald acquisition paying dividends; it confirms what many DBacks fans were saying about the bullpen: getting a pitcher that could lock down the 9th inning would make the bullpen a legitimate strength of the team. Everybody is a much better fit coming in an inning earlier than they were originally intended to.
Granted that that’s true for every team to some extent, but the necessary depth to capably handle earlier innings was already in place. Additionally, lucking into the Rays releasing Ryan Thompson (who has been great in the Fireman role) and the emergence of Andrew Saalfrank (an absolute groundball machine) have been godsends for the staff. If Miguel Castro and Joe Mantiply can be kept away from late innings, the team is in a great spot.
I wish Drey Jameson was still there to pick up slack on early starter exits and Scott McGough was healthy enough to handle relatively high leverage innings (over Nelson/Frias, heck, probably even over Castro), but every team deals with injuries so I can’t complain (and I’d prefer bullpen arms be out of action over starters).
Here’s to hoping they can stay on a roll, because the environment is about to get very hostile.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I like that Ginkel ! Do you think the Mariners got fair compensation for Sewald ? (Rojas, Canzone, Bliss) or did they fleece the M’s??
highheat
Big fan of Ginkel as well; prior to the last couple of seasons he had a tendency to get in trouble due to his command, but when he’s dialed in he can carve batters up. About the only bad thing I can say about him is that he was a Wildcat lol. Sorry for the length of the following.
My initial take on the trade was actually that the DBacks gave up too much, but chalked it up to paying a premium for back of the bullpen arms.
I’m a huge Rojas fan, was a big fan of Canzone coming up through the system, and really like Bliss as a prospect (but I’m also quite fond of short/scrappy players)
Rojas isn’t going to ever be a power hitter, but he’s aggressive in every facet of the game and picks his spots pretty well. My biggest complaint with him coming into the season was that he’d sit back and wait on balls too much on defense and would get eaten up or rush throws as a result (particularly at 3B); he’s cleaned that up quite a bit, but he’s a bit more streaky defensively as a result. He’ll force pitchers to throw strikes, though (regardless of handedness). And if there’s an extra base to be taken, he’ll take it. The majority of his value (whether offensively, defensively, or on the bases) is predicated almost entirely on seeing the ball well.
Canzone fairly consistently squares up the ball when he’s settled in, does a decent job at avoiding groundballs, controls the zone pretty well (although, he’s a bit more patient/passive with a LHP on the mound), and doesn’t swing-and-miss quite as much as you’d expect a guy with that profile to. He won’t wow you in the field or on the bases, but he’s got a strong arm (albeit prone to inaccuracy at times). He’s a solid ballplayer and still has options, so he’ll contribute in the near term (even if only as upper level depth, because I know Seattle has a few guys that they like for the COF).
From what I’ve seen of Bliss, he seems pretty similar to Rojas as a batter; not a ton of pop, but he’ll have stretches where he’ll run into HRs streaks when he’s seeing the ball really well (just don’t count on him to be a HR hitter). Takes extra bases at every opportunity and plays a much better 2B than Rojas (and is a better fit than Rojas at SS, but should probably only play there in a pinch due to lacking the stereotypical SS arm strength). Definitely a gamer, though.
The Mariners didn’t get any top prospects, but they did get pretty good complimentary ballplayers that are MLB ready (aside from Bliss, but he’s close to MLB and doesn’t need to be added to the 40-man until after next season). They’re all good depth to have on hand; so at the very least you can be comfortable in knowing that if a guy goes down to injury, they won’t drag the MLB down with extended playtime. It’s definitely much closer than I initially thought (due to Sewald settling in), but I still think the Mariners came out ahead on the deal.
P.S. glad to see Caballero playing well off of the bench for SEA; he was a prospect I was interested in coming up through the DBacks system
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Excellent; thank you for your time & analysis.
Pads Fans
Going into his age 30 season Ginkel is finally putting it all together.
Missippi_has_3Ks
Had the Dbacks not traded for him, he’d be working at Sewald with the dolphins.
Datashark
It will absolutely surprising if either Conforto or Manaea opt out.
There is no way Conforto gets anywhere near 12M let alone 18M with this past season stats and injuries.
Manaea is only going to get a look but he was more solid towards the end of season but for entire year he is shaky — a team very hard up for an innings eater would bite here but 12m? is quite a cost
Pads Fans
Conforto will get a multi-year deal. Certainly more than $18 million. The question is does he want to move on from the Giants?
Pads Fans
OR stick around and try to make 2024 a better platform year for a contract.
Niekro floater
Manaea would B certifiable if he opts out of that contract. Jurickson profar 2.0. He should count his lucky blessings everyday hes still in league n should be mowing his agents lawn every wk 4pullin off that piece of magic. He’s tweener cant start em n don’t wanna bring wm in w/gm on line but let’s pay em 7.5 Million$.
JoeBrady
“I think the good thing is it’ll be a hard decision
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LOL! He is staying. He’d be lucky to get $18M/2, let alone one year.