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Managerial Notes: Counsell, Mets, Guardians, Astros, Padres

By Nick Deeds | November 5, 2023 at 11:29am CDT

The Mets are approaching a decision on who will take the reins from Buck Showalter as the club’s new manager, per SNY’s Andy Martino, with a decision from star manager Craig Counsell expected in the next few days. That, Martino notes, seems to set the Mets up to act quickly regarding their own managerial vacancy; if Counsell settles on the Mets, the Mets will of course hire him for the position, while Martino suggests that Yankees bench coach Carlos Mendoza is another “very strong” candidate for the role. Martino implies that Counsell and Mendoza are regarded as the two finalists for the role, noting that the “only scenario” that could hold up the manager search in Queens is both Counsell and Mendoza electing to take jobs elsewhere.

That’s not necessarily a completely far-fetched scenario, however. After all, Counsell seems likely to have his pick between the Mets, Guardians, and the incumbent Brewers, all of whom appear to be prioritizing Counsell as their top option to lead their club in the dugout next year. It’s unclear where Counsell will ultimately land, reports have indicated that Counsell will at least offer Milwaukee a chance to match whatever salary offer he receives from New York and Cleveland. If Counsell does wind up returning to Milwuakee, Paul Hoynes of cleveland.com relayed recently that the favorites for the job with the Guardians would then be Mendoza and Mariners coach Stephen Vogt.

That creates at least the possibility of a situation where the Brewers retain Counsell while the Guardians land Mendoza, leaving the Mets unsure about who their next manager will be. Cubs bench coach and former Padres manager Andy Green as well as current A’s manager Mark Kotsay have both been noted as possible candidates for the manager job in New York in the past, and the Mets are known to be searching for an external candidate, specifically.

More managerial notes from around the game…

  • The Astros could be nearing the end of their search for a manager to replace veteran skipper Dusty Baker, who retired at the end of the 2023 season. Per USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, GM Dana Brown is “pushing” for the organization to promote bench coach Joe Espada to take over for Baker in the role. That being said, even an endorsement from Brown doesn’t necessarily guarantee the job will go to Espada; after all, as recent reports have indicated that both owner Jim Crane and adviser Jeff Bagwell will have “immense say” over who takes the reins from Baker in the dugout when all is said and done. Former Tigers and Angels manager Brad Ausmus along with third base coach Omar Lopez are among the other rumored contenders for the managerial gig in Houston.
  • Before the Padres settled on Bob Melvin to manage the club during the 2021-22 offseason, Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune indicates that president of baseball operations met with former Padres and Giants manager Bruce Bochy regarding his interest in the position. Krasovic relays that per Bochy’s agent Tony Attanasio, Preller and Bochy met twice that offseason in Bochy’s home in Nashville, TN. Attanasio suggests that Bochy wasn’t especially interested in returning to San Diego, and of course the club wound up hiring Melvin for the role instead. For his part, Bochy would return to the game as skipper of the Rangers in 2023, leading the club to its first World Series championship in franchise history.
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35 Comments

  1. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Nobody:

    Samuel/Filihok: MUTED!

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    • gbs42

      2 years ago

      It took you this long to mute Samuel?

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        1. I have no one muted. Not really my thing.

        2. You sound confused as to what my comment was saying.

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  2. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    2 years ago

    Lot of postings since the World Series ended, I don’t know what’s going on.

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    • User 355748524

      2 years ago

      I was looking forward to the off-season ever since my team got eliminated from the postseason, so all these posts upon reaching it are very much appreciated imo.

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      • GaryWarriorsRedSoxx

        2 years ago

        Ditto !!!

        So much money to spend, potentially, and so many holes to fill !!

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      Tim & Co. are pushing out info asap as opposed to years past where they were consolidated. Good for us junkies!

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  3. Sideline Redwine

    2 years ago

    Certainly Kevin Cash can be had for the right amount of money. Right?

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      2 years ago

      Yes, Kevin and Cash are synonymous..

      But we can’t talk about Craig because that’s client-Counsel privilege.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        I see what you were going for but attorney = counsel

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        • GaryWarriorsRedSoxx

          2 years ago

          If he did that you would lose half the audience here and they wouldn’t get the joke.

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  4. CO Guardening

    2 years ago

    It’d be interesting to know what Counsell feels the pros and cons are for each job. Does the Mets retool/contention window affect his interest? Do the Guardians offer him a contract only for the Brewers to match it? How much does Milwaukee prioritize the manager position? Would be hilarious to see all this projection only for Milwaukee to match any offer and he stays where he is.

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    • Jason G

      2 years ago

      I don’t know about hilarious, but I believe those of us who are Brewers fans would be happy. Whatever happens, I have no doubt Counsell will get paid. Will this accomplish his goal of resetting the market for managers overall? That would be nice, but it remains to be seen.

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      • silo11

        2 years ago

        I think he stays in Mil

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  5. Pads Fans

    2 years ago

    If you read the article, it quotes Bochy’s agent as saying that it wasn’t a substantive meeting about offering a job, more about seeing how he was doing in retirement.

    From the article – ‘Bochy’s longtime agent Tony Attanasio said Preller, the Padres’ President of Baseball Operations, met Bochy at his home.

    “It was nothing substantive,” said Attanasio. “It was more of, ‘How are you enjoying retirement? Do you think you will come back?’ It clearly was not substantial. No, not at all.” ‘

    Also Preller didn’t hire Melvin, Seidler did. Preller was known to want Shildt for the job and was overridden by Seidler who wanted someone that was both a veteran manager and who would be more recognized by the fans. Shildt had just been fired by the Cardinals and Seidler felt hiring him was a bad PR move. .

    Shildt was still living in the St Louis area at the time, so its very likely that Preller was on his way to see Shildt and stopped in to see Bochy in Nashville on the off chance that he had changed his mind since Fowler spoke to him.

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    • websoulsurfer

      2 years ago

      Pads, I logged on to say what you just said. That Tony said it was not to offer a job. You covered it. I am out.

      Just so you know, I am pretty sure Shildt had already moved back to Charlotte within a few weeks of getting fired by the Cards.

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    • For the love of the game

      2 years ago

      Are you Preller’s PR agent? This reads like damage control.

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      • Pads Fans

        2 years ago

        How pathetic do you have to be to make up another account with a name that is meant to troll the GM of a team? You sound like a total loser. Nothing but a troll with nothing to offer the board.

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        • For the love of the game

          2 years ago

          This is my only account. Been lurking FOR YEARS. Been a Padres fan since the seventies. You seem like a shill from Preller’s office. You have some insight but you don’t present it honestly. If you don’t like my opinion try and change it or GTFO with your I’m a troll bs. God forbid I call out Preller. What’s your angle dude?

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      • Scream_name

        2 years ago

        No kidding. As a Padres fan, I gave Preller years of unconditional support, but like you I now recognize that Preller is the problem. Some people haven’t fallen off that bandwagon. It’s full steam ahead, with Preller at the wheel, headed straight for a brick wall.

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        • Brew88

          2 years ago

          We’ll, I’ve been a Padres fan since Westgate Park. Preller’s not THEE PROBLEM, He’s done a lot REALLY well (international signings, draft, some FAs) and he’s made mistakes, but so have the players and managers he’s brought in. It’s way too simplistic to 1) lay all the blame on Preller and 2) ignore reality that 29 of 30 teams fail to win WS each year. Sports is failure, pa kaged for your enjoyment. Hope u can.

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        • For the love of the game

          2 years ago

          He’s certainly not the only problem, it’s complicated, but I think it is fair to say his teams have underperformed. Preller has an eye for talent especially on the international market but he suffers from the same fate of so many smart guys: he thinks he’s smarter than he is. In my mind last year lands in Preller’s lap not Melvin’s. Bochy refused to work with Preller and Melvin bailed first chance he got. Andy Green? Jayce Tingler? I mean come on…

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    • sergefunction

      2 years ago

      That is a fair summation of events. .

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  6. Stormintazz

    2 years ago

    Everything I have seen on line this web site included. All have posted Counsell has not met with the New York Mets. Now all the sudden he is the leading candidate or close to getting hired?

    Brewers have to go through a small rebuild so that may hurt him staying in Milwaukee.

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    • geofft

      2 years ago

      First of all, most of what the press writes these days is their speculation, with only a tidbit of fact sprinkled in to make them sound credible.
      Second, Counsell has talked with Mets brass by phone, just hasn’t had an in person interview yet.
      And lets not forget that the Mets’ new PoBO just came from Milwaukee himself. So he knows Counsell better than any interview would acquaint them. The interview process is more for Steve Cohen, and to vet He doesn’t need much of an interview process to vet other candidates just in case one of hem might actually impress more than Counsell, or Counsell takes a different job.

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  7. Logistics Guy

    2 years ago

    When you look at all of clubs going Into the off season and each of them have a list of to do things.

    I can think that POBO In San Diego has a lot of hard and tough decisions to make. From a manager to add to starting pitching staff.To Juan Soto.

    I guess all of fans In SD should sleep well because they had second coming of Theo Epstein./ John Scherholtz

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 years ago

      I agree. SD management has their work cut out for them.

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  8. This one belongs to the Reds

    2 years ago

    They are basically saying here the managers that are hired depend on where and when Counsell chooses a job.

    Probably the most over posted articles ever on this site. Wait til he decides and there is some actual news.

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    • Indianfan

      2 years ago

      It’s called MLB Trade RUMORS not MLB trade news.

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        2 years ago

        If there is nothing new, there is nothing new, whatever you want to call it.

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  9. User 3044878754

    2 years ago

    One thing is certain . Any report by Hoynes from Cleveland will be incorrect. None of the guys he’s mentioning will be the next manager of the Guardians.

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  10. Albert Belle's corked bat

    2 years ago

    This site always beefs up Counsell as a ” star manager ” and ect, ect. Kevin Cash says ” Hold my beer! “.

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  11. ❤️ MuteButton

    2 years ago

    Ausmus as Astros skipper? He has shown nothing as a manager. Hey Baggy, shhh

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    • jjd002

      2 years ago

      Not saying he’s any good, but many managers started off terrible.

      Reply
  12. Thomas E Snyder

    2 years ago

    Espada from Bench Coach to Manager. Omar Lopez from 1st Base Coach to Bench Coach. Maldonado from Catcher to 1st Base/Catchers Coach.

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