The Orioles and Blue Jays are among six teams that have shown interest in free agent starter Domingo Germán, reports Mark W. Sanchez of the New York Post. Sanchez adds that the Mets have also checked in but casts doubt on the chance of the right-hander heading to Queens.
Germán has spent his entire MLB career with the Yankees, who acquired him as a prospect in a 2014 trade with the Marlins. At times, he looked like a key mid-rotation arm in the Bronx, yet his tenure was marred by off-field issues. After working as a depth arm between 2017-18, he tallied a career-high 143 innings over 27 appearances (24 starts) in 2019. Germán was having a productive season, working to a 4.03 ERA with a near-26% strikeout rate.
That September, MLB placed Germán on administrative leave after he reportedly assaulted his girlfriend at a charity event. MLB finished its investigation that offseason and suspended him for the first 81 games of the 2020 season. That year wound up being shortened by the pandemic, so MLB reinstated him after he missed the entire 60-game schedule.
Germán returned to the Yankees in 2021. He missed parts of the next two seasons battling shoulder issues, combining for a 4.17 ERA over 170 2/3 innings. He held a spot in the New York rotation for the early portion of last year. Germán’s start to the year was middling and he was suspended for 10 games in mid-May after failing a foreign substance inspection.
He carried a 5.10 ERA through his first 14 appearances into a late-June start in Oakland. Germán turned in a legendary performance at the Coliseum that night, throwing MLB’s 24th perfect game, the first since Félix Hernández’s outing in 2012. Germán followed that up with a 4.61 ERA over five starts in July.
On August 2, the Yankees announced they were placing Germán on the restricted list so he could report to an inpatient treatment facility for alcohol abuse. Lindsey Adler of the Wall Street Journal subsequently reported that an apparently intoxicated Germán had argued with teammates and coaches in the New York clubhouse and flipped a couch amidst those confrontations.
That ended Germán’s tenure with the Yankees. He spent the rest of the season on the restricted list. At year’s end, New York placed him on outright waivers. Once he went unclaimed, he elected free agency.
Sanchez writes that Germán has completed the requirements of his inpatient treatment and is seeking a return to the majors in 2024. According to Sanchez, his camp has received two formal contract offers (although it isn’t clear if those proposals have come from Baltimore and Toronto specifically). If he lands a major league deal, it’d surely be a cheap one-year pact.
Of the two AL East teams known to have shown interest, Baltimore has the greater need for rotation help. Aside from depth righty Jonathan Heasley, the O’s have yet to add a starting pitcher this offseason. They’re slated to begin the year with Grayson Rodriguez, Kyle Bradish, John Means and likely Dean Kremer in the top four spots. Cole Irvin and Tyler Wells (each of whom worked out of the bullpen at points last year) would be the best options for the #5 job at present. The starting staff is the weakest point on an otherwise loaded roster coming off a 101-win season.
It’s unlikely Baltimore will come away from the offseason completely empty-handed. Yet they’ve thus far resisted dealing from the top of their vaunted farm system to add starting pitching via trade. While they seemed a candidate to at least play in the middle tiers of the free agent rotation market, the organization again hasn’t shown that kind of appetite for spending.
The O’s signed Craig Kimbrel to a $13MM guarantee to take the ninth inning after losing Félix Bautista to Tommy John surgery. They’ve otherwise sat out MLB free agency this winter. Roster Resource projects their 2024 spending around $81MM. That’s well above last year’s approximate $61MM Opening Day figure but puts them in the league’s bottom five in terms of estimated payroll.
Toronto took some early swings at the top of the free agent market. They’ve pivoted to the middle tiers in recent weeks, including a rotation acquisition. The Jays agreed to terms with Cuban right-hander Yariel Rodríguez on a four-year, $32MM deal last week. He’ll likely compete for the final spot with Alek Manoah, who is trying to bounce back from a dismal 2023 season. With Kevin Gausman, Chris Bassitt, José Berríos and Yusei Kikuchi occupying the top four positions, it’s unlikely they’d give Germán a look in the season-opening rotation. If Rodríguez doesn’t take them out of the market for Germán entirely, they’d probably view him as a long relief option.
BoJuBi
Where would the jays play German at 3b? Serious question because the rotation is full
bjhaas1977
The sauna
Blackpink in the area
The Jays 5th and 6th starters at the moment are a guy who was terrible in 2023 and spent time at AAA and a guy who hasn’t started in years with no MLB experience.
bigdaddyt
Bowden Francis was low key elite as swing man in the pen last year could very easily be the jays 5th starter guy this year
Hank Murphy
and the Blue Jays have K.K. in center who may or may not hit a little, a guy in RF who will spend 60+ games on the DL and Varsho who can’t hit at all.. No DH and no one for third.
And your saying the 5th and 6th spots are what’s important.
BoJuBi
Even if that inaccurate portrayal of the starting staff was true he still wouldn’t have a place in the rotation. Also Bowden Francis looked elite last year, Manoah will get a chance at a bounce back year, Yariel Rodrigues we just signed with plans to use him as a starter, and Tiedeman should be ready by mid season, so how would we give all these guys the chance to be the 5th starter if you signed German? It’s a complete waste of money in a position we don’t need for a team who on paper is starting IKF at 3rd, np 4th outfielder and no dh?
Blackpink in the area
If Manoah sucks in spring training he’s not gonna be in the rotation
Yarnell has to prove that he can both pitch at an elite level and that he can go deep into games.
Tiedeman is mod season at best.
German would get a chance. But if German sucks too then the Jays are in trouble.
BoJuBi
The only way German fits on this roster is on a minor league deal, and why would German want to go to a team on a minor league deal where he’s a 5 or 6 on the roster?
Mystery13
In the minors as depth
terrymesmer
There is no way the Jays would sign this loser. He should be sorting out his issues, not pitching in MLB.
Mrski
He is allowed preferential treatment unlike Trevor Bauer
I.M. Insane
Bauer? Seriously?
MoneyBallJustWorks
hope they being him in. the backlash may finally lead to Atkins dismissal. no way you can bring in Domingo and not instantly get heat for it from fans
Blackpink in the area
I really hate it when people use others opinions as a reason to justify something. Saying Atkins would get heat from fans for example. You are a fan right? Why share what you think others would think and not share what you think?
HatlessPete
Grandiosity to make themselves feel a bit bigger I suppose blackpink.
On the baseball side it’s hard to see a clear fit for German on a guaranteed deal with the Jays as anything other than long relief and spot starter.
Blackpink in the area
I think German is a great fit for Oakland. But Toronto and Baltimore are playing to win. Not worth the risk.
99CaptainJudge99
@Blackpink- German has so much talent truthfully. You know he did pitch a perfect game last season, right? Lol. The Jays or the Orioles would be lucky to have him in their rotation.
Blackpink in the area
You are a Yankees fan lol. You might have a bias.
SalaryCapMyth
Philip Humber, Edwin Jackson and Bud Smith all threw no hitters. That’s not a good standard.
Roguesaw2
I believe this falls under the “a blind squirrel finds a nut” standard.
99CaptainJudge99
@Blackpink- No,I really don’t. My point is regardless of the problems German has, he definitely has good stuff, and knows how to pitch. He’s definitely a solid #4 or #5 in any pitching rotation.
99CaptainJudge99
@SalaryCapMyth- And those pitchers you mentioned were solid #4 or #5 pitchers in a rotation, that any team would of been lucky to have.
Blackpink in the area
The Yankees need a number 4 or 5 starter right?
SalaryCapMyth
@Captain. No not at all. These pitchers best case scenario is they would be sufficient for a no. 4 or 5 spot. Luck wouldn’t be involved at all.
Blackpink in the area
If I was the Jays or Orioles I wouldn’t want this guy anywhere near my team. Performance and behavior issues it’s not worth the trouble.
MacGromit
I agree. it’s sad when I think that the rumor of the O’s being interested in signing James Paxton was much better news comparatively. yikes. if you’re going to shake the Yahtzee dice with the clubhouse dynamics, just go and sign Bauer. lol.
please no, maybe Pittsburgh can embrace the suck and sign both Germain and Bauer to go with Chapman and check on Urias’ availability too.
BoJuBi
Wait you just posted on my post that he would be a fit for the jays? I’m confused. I hate when people post a comment hating on another comment just to post a contradictory comment somewhere else. Make up your mind man.
osfandan
I don’t understand how German draws interest from multiple teams, but no one wants Bauer? Make it make sense!
Digdugler
Aroldis just got another contract!
Yanks2
Bauer would cost too much so teams probably put their feelings and morals aside when they know a cheaper option in German is a possibly to strengthen their rotation
schellis 2
At this point I think Bauer would take the minimum just to get back on the field. German getting interest, Chapman getting signed and Bauer can’t even get a team to talk to him doens’t make sense to me either.
Mystery13
Bauer currently has another allegation against him that is being investigated
bjhaas1977
Bauer would take league minimum if he got that offer.
JCL10
Honestly I think bauer would take a minor league deal or at least league minimum at this point. He’s more desperate to get back to MLB than teams are desperate to have him.
Jaysfansince92
He was willing to play for less than 5 million in Japan. I’m sure he would take that to get back in the MLB at least until he proved he was capable of not being a clubhouse cancer.
Mystery13
I think it has to do with Bauers ability to never shut his mouth.
other players (Chapman, urias, German, osuna etc). All accepted their punishments and then just kept quiet about their personal lives. Bauer just can’t stop victim blaming his victims who more than likely have a very valid case against him
Blackpink in the area
Bauer is the victim. If there was a valid case he would be in jail right now. Not only is he not in jail charges were never even filed.
O'sSayCanYouSee
“If there was a valid case he would be in jail right now.”
You talking about the actual American Legal system, or just the “in a perfect world” legal system.
Mystery13
Is that how you think the legal system works? Maybe go look up the stats on sexual assault arrests and convictions, but yeah all men that don’t get found guilty by the justice system are obviously super innocent right
Blackpink in the area
There are text messages that this girl sent to her friend saying she was going to set him up.
I wouldn’t call him “super innocent” but he’s not guilty. The prosecutor had every reason and opportunity to proceed with the charges and he chose not to.
Mystery13
Prosecutors choose every single day not to bring charges against guilty people. Bauer is your only source of information, because no one else is stupid enough to talk. You should take everything that comes out of his mouth with a baseball sized grain of salt. He has other allegations by other women being investigated as we speak
Blackpink in the area
This was a high profile case with lots of eyes on it. If anything that worked against Bauer not for him.
Mystery13
He is a rich white man living in America. High profile means literally nothing. Maybe you should go look up how grand juries work, you may be surprised at how many guilty people don’t have charges brought against them, doesn’t make any of them innocent
Blackpink in the area
So because once upon a time a white guy got away with abuse Trevor Bauer must be guilty? Is that what you just said?
O'sSayCanYouSee
“This was a high profile case with lots of eyes on it. If anything that worked against Bauer not for him.”
Uh, cause rich people get treated the harshest by the Justice System. Money doesn’t by verdicts, no no… perfect legal system over here, move along please
Mystery13
Nope, that was your completely incorrect interpretation of what I said.
You have no source outside of Trevor Bauer, who is allowed to say whatever he wants while not under oath.
But sure, it’s not telling that MLB who did their own investigation and suspended him for like 300 games and no current team is willing to sign him, innocent people, especially rich ones never get second chances or anything
Blackpink in the area
Those text messages are public record they were released in court. You don’t seem to understand how this stuff works. There is no way those texts are fabricated they have been investigated by the court system and proven to be legit.
MLB suspended him before any charges or conviction. The investigation took as long as it did and magically that happened to be the exact number of days Bauer was suspended for. Not 1 day more not 1 day less. Do you truly think that was a coincidence?
Teams are concerned because of the bad PR. But Blake Snell won the Cy Young last year and he isn’t signed either.
Mystery13
That’s where you are wrong. Those texts were definitely not released in court. There was no court case because as you pointed out they didn’t file charges against him.
Only Trevor Bauer after the fact talked about those texts. Seeing as he has no reason to tell the actual truth, you have no idea if those texts ever existed.
No evidence other than his video was released to the public
Roguesaw2
The texts and videos, and their Metadata, made it into Bauer’s possession through the discovery process of the now resolved pair of civil suits between the two parties. He did use a court process to acquire them. How he can then turn around and make that information public, and that not be a crime or a cause for her to seek civil damages for the release of her private information, is beyond me.
The texts are real. And somehow they make Bauer a bigger douchebag.
Blackpink in the area
It was discovery prep for if a court case were to take place. If those texts were false she would be able to sue him. Which btw she tried to do already and failed.
You are wrong.
Blackpink in the area
Being a douchebag and being guilty of a crime are two entirely different things.
BoJuBi
But technically not being found guilty does make him innocent of that crime, in the courts eyes or the ability to punish him for said charge, so therefore, as anyone else who was either found guilty or not prosecuted due to lack of evidence they should not have said charge held against them or be punished. Why is Bauer different?
Mystery13
Being found not guilty absolutely does not make him innocent, much like a person found guilty by a jury who is actually innocent isn’t guilty of that crime
Blackpink in the area
He didn’t go to court and was found not guilty. He never went to court because the prosecutor determined it wasn’t worth their time to go ahead with the charges.
If the prosecutor though there was a CHANCE Bauer was guilty he would have taken him to court. The fact that he didn’t is really good evidence he’s innocent.
BoJuBi
But technically it does, if he was innocent but found guilty would he not be punished for the crime he was found guilty of? Also Bauer was never found not guilty, this has nothing to do with being actually guilty or not, but he wasn’t even prosecuted, so how is it ok to then punish him for a crime he wasn’t even prosecuted on? Therefore legally and technically he is not guilty right?
BoJuBi
Being found not guilty absolutely means he’s innocent of said crime, it’s literally the definition, you are either guilty or you are innocent. This isn’t the moral courtroom or justice system
BoJuBi
If not being prosecuted due to lack of evidence on the charge he’s being accused of doesn’t equal him being innocent I don’t know what does, that says innocent to me a lot more then being found not guilty
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Those texts were carefully cherry picked and taken out of context. The woman was mentally ill, and any sensible multi-millionaire with a nice gig with the Dodgers should have not been in that situation to begin with. He chose to take advantage of her in her compromised state when he should have went home and watched the evening news instead, like a responsible adult who is getting paid handsomely to do a job.
BoJuBi
You keep Flippin narratives to suit you, just keep sounding dumber my man.
Jaysfansince92
Actually Bauer showed a video he obtained by suing his accuser that showed her in bed next to him (he was sleeping) the following morning and she didn’t have a mark on her. She was smiling and seemed very pleased with herself.
He also obtained the text messages that showed she attempted to set him up. Would his accuser agree to that if he was guilty? She agreed to it because she was caught and he agreed to settle the lawsuit against her for just the evidence and no money.
So in closing is not just his word. He had actual evidence. If none of this was true she could nail him to the wall in a defamation suit. Part of the settlement was also that he was allowed to talk about it and show the evidence.
Jaysfansince92
This happened in a civil suit that Bauer filed against his accuser. She agreed to hand over the evidence as part of the settlement so that she didn’t have to pay him money for falsely accusing him.
Blackpink in the area
Great point Jaysfan. Not only was Bauer not worried about what would come out he actually wanted everything to come out.
There are real domestic violence victims out there. This isn’t one of them. This girl is a nut job Padres fan who btw slept with Tatis prior to sleeping with Bauer this is also public knowledge.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Just because Bauer wasn’t prosecuted doesn’t mean he’s not a douchebag when it comes to women. He seems to have a history of being a douchebag in regards to women. And baseball teams don’t have to hire douchebags if they don’t want to. That doesn’t mean there is some sort of “collusion” or that Bauer is some sort of “victim”. Bauer reaps what he sows. Nobody should feel sorry for him.
Blackpink in the area
Cherry picked?????
She said she was gonna set him up and get that bag or something to that effect. Real abuse victims don’t say stuff like that.
Good gosh man.
PuttPutt⁰³
This.
Can’t shut his mouth
HatlessPete
Mystery 100% to all of that. Bauers baggage is not only more extensive and documented than german’s its also not resolved in terms of the ongoing legal matters. That injects uncertainty for teams from the pr side. You can’t really do an effective risk assessment when things are open-ended like this.
Personally I’m glad that my yanks moved on from german for all that I hope he has made some positive growth through treatment. Byt at least you can say that german has shown some degree of accountability and concrete action toward change which cannot be said of bauer imo.
Blackpink in the area
Bauer never committed a crime he has nothing to apologize for. German did. And somehow Bauer got 192 games and German got far less.
BoJuBi
How has German done that? He smacked his gf at a Yankees dinner then assaulted a gf last season? 2 completely separate incidents that were both criminal offenses. Bauer had rough se* with a girl who came back for seconds lol
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Apparently a lot of people think he is a clubhouse cancer. It has also been reported multiple times that some players do not want him on the roster. calling out MLB definitely didn’t help his cause either. Then you also have to deal with his social media issues. He also seems to throw a giant pissy fit tantrum anytime he doesn’t get his way. There are many reasons he is unwanted. While I believe he is innocent (and let’s be clear the accusations are not why he is unemployed.) He is about the most abrasive, and unlikeable person I’ve ever witnessed. I have zero idea why so many people like this guy lol.
Mystery13
Starting with his college teammate and current cy young winner
Mystery13
So you don’t believe multiple victims, you choose to believe the guy who throws a baseball well. Do you have any idea how hard it is for a woman to prove an assault took place after the fact. Even with bruises on her body, it is way too easy for a man to claim it was consensual
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@mystery
What are you even talking about? I don’t like Bauer lol. So yeah, the reason I don’t believe is because “he throws a baseball”. No, I just believe we should condemn someone based on accusations only. Especially when the original person has a video of her laying next to Bauer in bed smiling without bruises. Other then accusations what evidence is there for any of the other “victims”. I’m not saying he didn’t do it, but unfortunately in this society it is all to uncommon for people to make accusations in search of a bag of money.
Blackpink in the area
THERE WERE TEXT MESSAGES THE GIRL SENT TO HER FRIEND SAYING SHE WAS GOING TO SET HIM UP.
Nobody likes a domestic abuser. But just because she accused him doesn’t make it so. It has been PROVEN that this was an elaborate setup on her part. She was a freaking Padres fan she slept with Tatis before sleeping with Bauer. This girl is completely looney tunes.
Mystery13
It’s also way too common for prosecutors to let guilty people off. Look at Jeffrey Epstein for example
Mystery13
Did you see those supposed texts, or are you only believing what Trevor Bauer wants you to believe.
Blackpink in the area
Jeffrey Epstein is dead you nimrod. I wouldn’t call that letting him off.
Blackpink in the area
I saw the texts they have been released to the public. Are you seriously questioning the validity of those texts?
Look it up dude. You are wrong.
BoJuBi
Jeffrey epstein is a bad example and not anywhere close to a similar situation.
BoJuBi
Look at the other side as well if you going to swing it that way, do you have any idea how easy it is for a woman to make a accusation and how hard that would be to defend for a man who in majority of cases is assumed guilty immediately until able to prove otherwise, amd have there entire reputation, and career tarnished due to false allegations?
Jaysfansince92
Yes both are common. Which means we shouldn’t be convicting people without evidence. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? For some reason it seems to have reversed so it is guilty until proven innocent and in some cases still guilty even when proven innocent it would seem.
Blackpink in the area
Who thinks he’s a clubhouse cancer?
Who likes him?
You are making things up
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
dodgersway.com/2021/07/26/dodgers-trevor-bauer-tea…
google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2019/fe…
You want more? What, you think I would just make that up of the top of my head?
Blackpink in the area
Those articles are nonsense. Complete and total nonsense.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Ahh, Don’t you just love it when someone says you are just “making stuff up” and when you take the time to show them that you indeed did not make anything up and that there was indeed, in print, articles that might have suggested that Bauer was anything less than a fuzzy sweet heart it gets dismissed as”nonsense” (although the point was to show i didnt make anything up, but i digress.) You are totally right Blackpink, Trevor Bauer is the nicest person in MLB, everyone loves him and are chomping at the bit to be teammates with this lad, t and he doesn’t act like a spoiled 11 year old who got a blue lollipop instead of a red one for his birthday. Everything negative about him is a lie!
Blackpink in the area
That article about the Dodgers is complete hearsay. Not one quote from one player.
The Guardians article is from 2019 and has nothing to do with anything.
Is he a likeable person? Probably not. But this isn’t about that it’s about his right to earn a living. This isn’t a manager at McDonald’s who can simply go work for Burger King. MLB has a monopoly on baseball in the United States and therefore he has a right to earn a living.
Mystery13
He has all the right in the world to warn a living, he doesn’t necessarily have a right to earn a living in the MLB. Owners have a right to sign or not sign whoever they want to employ.
Trevor Bauer can go work at McDonalds and earn himself a living. There are certainly teams in Asia who will sign him again, but absolutely nothing guarantees him a job in MLB
Blackpink in the area
You are incorrect. You are speaking your opinion and presenting it as fact.
If he doesn’t pitch again in MLB I guarantee you he will sue. And he will win. Just like Colin Kaepernick.
HatlessPete
Bauer doesn’t have a “right to earn a living” in mlb any more than any rando has a right to any open job out there in the world.
While it is accurate that bauer has not been convicted of a crime that does not definitively prove that he didn’t commit a crime. Criminal cases have the highest possible burden of proof in the American legal system and sexual assaults are one of the more difficult types of crime to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. By their very nature they often produce little corroborating evidence.
While one of the Civil suits has ended it’s not the only suit and not the only woman to report victimization and there is still a possibility that bauer may be found liable since civil suits use the less stringent preponderance of evidence burden of proof. This, by the way is much closer to the standard regular people often use to decide who they believe when one person accuses another of wrongdoing.
Mystery13
Who exactly is he going to sue? Manfred? One particular owner out of the 30?
You keep proving your utter lack of intelligence
Blackpink in the area
This is Colin Kaepernick 2.0. MLB has a monopoly on professional baseball in America and therefore they have different rules to follow.
There is one other civil suit that is open at the moment. 1 suit so stop implying its more than 1. And it’s most likely nonsense considering all the other ones have been nonsense.
Blackpink in the area
He will sue MLB
Again this is Colin Kaepernick all over again. And if you aren’t aware Kaepernick won his case.
BoJuBi
Everyone thinks he’s a clubhouse cancer going back to college
BoJuBi
Bang on HOF, that’s why Bauer has no deal and probably wont get one, the pr nightmare, he’s a clubhouse cancer to every team he been on since college and mlb hates him. It’s bigger then just the accusations
Blackpink in the area
Bauer signed a contract for 35 million a year prior to the incident. So if all those things mattered why didn’t they matter then?
That’s what I would say if I was his lawyer. Or in other words that’s what his lawyer will say when this goes to court.
BoJuBi
Because he has serious baggage now, you could let slide him not getting along with teammates and maybe coaches if he wins a Cy, happens all the time in all sports. But a pr nightmare? The possibility of a future scandal while he’s under contract with you and has a history? Not worth it for most organisation’s.
Blackpink in the area
What future scandal? Ozuna beat his wife. Wouldn’t that lead to him potentially doing it again?
Tatis cheated. And he’s getting paid still. Still has his contract. That’s not hypothetical that happened.
This isn’t right. MLB better hope someone signs him if they don’t all the teams will have to pay after they are sued. Wait and see.
Mynameisnoname
Because it’s better to hit women without permission. At least, that is what MLB and their owners are implying by allowing the Germans and Urias of the world to pitch.
Of course Bauer butted heads with Manfried previously, so he’s battling on multiple fronts to return.
Mrski
Why doesn’t it make sense. We all know why.
MarkieFresh
Sneaky test the waters on Bauer by floating out German’s name?
Roguesaw2
For me, I’d have no problem signing a guy who served his suspension, keeps his mouth shut and takes the heckling he’s earned. I’d sign Chapman or Ozuna. Bauer is a no go for me. Can’t keep his head down. I legit don’t care if he’s innocent, he’s need to argue with everyone with a pulse about it, is toxic, and I don’t need that to be the focus in my clubhouse. I’d want some due diligence on German’s drinking before signing him. Is he getting help? Is he proactive? What caused the last episode? Was he sucked in by an addiction? Guilt? If I couldn’t get satisfactory answers there, I’d just sign someone else. Just my two cents.
Blackpink in the area
Perhaps the reason he’s defended himself so much is BECAUSE HES INNOCENT!!
But you don’t care about that. You just said so.
BoJuBi
He may be innocent, but not to the fans, the woman fans of baseball, public opinion. That has been tarnished due to I think false allegations. But this is the court of public opinion not court of law
Blackpink in the area
Public opinion doesn’t decide who is employed and who isn’t.
Women fans of baseball should look into what actually happened here and I think many have and know what’s going on. There are many women who need support and deserve justice. This isn’t one of them.
HatlessPete
Okay Blackpink you’re way off on a few things here. First off, Colin K did not sue the NFL, he filed a grievance with the players union under their cba alleging collusion. There was never a ruling or determination of liability/admission of wrongdoing by the NFL because the grievance was settled and withdrawn afterwards. Secondly, the two cases are not comparable in that colin was never accused of a crime or of harming another person and there were civil rights dimensions to that situation that are not present in bauer’s. Being accused of criminal activities that people find reprehensible and suffering social consequences is not a civil rights matter. To compare the two is at best borderline racist.
If bauer had a case to make for a collusion grievance I’d think he’d have tried by now. The fact that no mlb team has offered him a job does not in itself demonstrate collusion. If that were the case, the dozens of players who fail to land a mlb deal every year would be blanketing the league office with grievances all the time.
The court of public opinion absolutely does determine earning opportunities for public figures and bauer does not have any right to have that disregarded here. It factors into his player valuation and desirability in the market and each individual team has the right to determine that he’s not a suitable fit for their organization because of it.
Blackpink in the area
He hasn’t claimed collusion yet because he still wants back in. And he’s still young enough to play baseball.
Wait and see. If he doesn’t get back in he will sue and he will win.
its_happening
Colin K shouldn’t have opted out of his 49ers contract. That’s all.
HatlessPete
And what do you expect the outcome of a grievance (not a lawsuit, these are different processes) would be if he did file and win? Which btw is nowhere near the certainty you imagine because collusion requires active conspiratorial coordination and intent, not just the outcome of no mlb deal for poor lil trevor. If there’s any direct evidence of collusion here i haven’t heard of it. Cases like this can also take several years to resolve and him winning doesn’t necessarily mean he gets to pitch in mlb again in any case.
BoJuBi
In this case it does though….clearly. does he have a contract?
HatlessPete
No he doesn’t. But that doesn’t demonstrate collusion. Players with mlb experience go unsigned every off-season because no team wants to hire them. So far no mlb team has decided they want to sign trevor bauer. Unless there is proof that teams have directly conspired to blackball trevor bauer from mlb its not collusion.
Blackpink in the area
Bauer was a 35 million a year pitcher before the suspension. And now he’s not good enough to make a roster? Try explaining that in court.
HatlessPete
Teams don’t make their decisions about player signings entirely based on baseball ability. This is easily observable. If bauer sued and/or filed a grievance alleging collusion the most he could get would be financial damages based on lost earnings but it’s not like they could force a particular team to put him on their roster. Bottom line if mlb teams don’t want bauer to pitch for him he’s not going to pitch for them. And again, you don’t understand the requirements to demonstrate collusion.
Blackpink in the area
Yes financial damages based on lost earnings. Just like Colon Kaepernick. That’s what he will get. If it gets to thee point Bauer sues he’s not gonna play for MLB that will be for sure 100% at that point.
If MLB wants to pay him 150 million to go away then that’s what will happen. And you know what? Maybe they do.
HatlessPete
It’s entirely possible that mlb is willing to shell out some money to bauer to put this behind them if it comes to that. Is this a possible outcome in this situation? Sure. But right now there’s no evidence that’s been publicly disclosed to support a claim of collusion. Barry Bonds tried to make a collusion grievance back when but it didn’t go anywhere because he was not able to produce evidence that any active conspiratorial agreement and coordinated collusion activity was involved in his not getting a contract after his last season.
Blackpink in the area
Bonds was 43 years old when he last played in MLB. And I think MLB did collude to keep him out regardless of what some arbitrator said. MLB can try and pretend Bonds doesn’t exist but just like Pete Rose it isn’t working.
its_happening
To say no to Bauer pitching in MLB but yes to any domestic abuser or drunk driver to continue their baseball career is blatant hypocrisy and a travesty.
This has more to do with trying to shut Bauer up rather than a morality play, or whether or not he is a distraction. Let’s keep in/mind what Trevor was attempting to exposed days before the sudden charges came up.
vikingbluejay67
No thank you.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Nobody is perfect, but this guy was (once). Texas could use him as cheap depth.
Dalman21
The one thing none of us really have any insight to is how treatment went for him and if he is truly in a better place on these issues than before. Obviously if the Rangers can get Montgomery let’s do that, but if we need to shop in the bargain bin and reports on how he is dealing/has dealt with his alcohol issue are positive, the Rangers have quite a lot of history with players with these issues, and the talent is clearly there.
If everyone stayed healthy through spring, we could put Bradford as the long man to start the season just like Dunning last year. Inevitably, as happened for Dunning, someone would go down and Bradford would get the call as a SP, but doing nothing means we are probably having to pull up a rookie who hasn’t shown they are ready (White? Leiter?) at the first speed bump. I like this as an option for the Rangers.
Maybe one cheap year with incentives, plus a second-year option at a significantly higher price..
Yanks2
Solid middle of the rotation arm but any smart team would give him a one year prove it deal before committing to him long term
Digdugler
Atkins has hit rock bottom.
O'sSayCanYouSee
No O’s, no. Hard pass.
MacGromit
I’m hoping that Elias is playing mind games with Miami and the White Sox in allowing rumors like this and Paxton to get out and maybe loosen the lid of the goodie jar for Luzardo and Cease. I know that it’s wishful thinking but that conspiracy theory helps me sleep at night.
O'sSayCanYouSee
I have those same dreams!
Mystery13
Seems like a perfect fit for the Dodgers. Bauer, Puig, Urias.
MacGromit
@Mystery13,
Does LA bring out the evil in you or do bad people just like to go to LA. lol
Mystery13
The evil in me? No.
MacGromit
I meant “you” in the “a person” way, not in the “you, Mystery13” way.
Does LA bring out the evil in a person or do bad people just like to go to LA?
Rishi
Seems like a decent candidate to improve with the change of scenery. May be coincidence but it seems a good sign when 2 teams in same division as you for your whole career have interest.
Tom the ray fan
Stay away from the booze
gr81t2
Os, please no. He’s a home run king
mendy
Waste of ink.
acoss13
Not to sound like a jerk, but German needed to get his drinking problem in order, so if I was any team looking to sign him, I’d need some serious reassurance that he’s working on that and show signs of progress too…
88 Brooklyn Dodgers
Had nothing to do with drinking. Miggy was a generational hitter while drinking.
acoss13
Well, it must have gotten pretty bad since he didn’t finish the season. Everyone handles their vices differently.
Roguesaw2
Was Miggy and aggressive, violent, drunk like German? Serious question, I have no recollection one way or another.
YankeesBleacherCreature
If he has indeed stopped drinking, he could be submitting independent regular urine test results and sobriety coach/therapist sworn testimonials as part of his physical. I’m only speculating but that can give teams some reassurances. At least that’s what I personally would do if there were millions of dollars at stake.
NYCityRiddler
He was coming off a 3 day bender when he threw the perfect game, if anything he needs to be hitting the joy juice harder. So there. Ahahaha!
MacGromit
well, counseling worked with Urias. of the counselor says you’re better, then case closed, huh?
HBan22
Miguel Cabrera quit drinking after his ugly DUI arrest in 2011 that nearly cost him his career, if not his life. He ran two cars off the road, threatened to blow up a restaurant, and then berated police officers and told them to kill him. He became sober after this incident, and went on to become the best hitter in baseball for a several year stretch afterwards, in addition to becoming a much more upstanding citizen who has drawn praise for his leadership skills, charity work, and so on.
So yes, Miggy was an angry, violent drunk who benefitted greatly on and off the field by going sober. The truth is, some people can handle drinking responsibly and some can’t. A lot of people have demons that get unleashed after a few drinks, and those are the people that should stay away from the booze. German is one of them.
jimmertee
Germain can pitch and pitch well. The issue is: is he recovering? Is he mentality capable? The Jays showing interest in Germain does show the depth vacuum in the Jays system for starting pitching.
dave frost nhlpa
This is a guy that,although he is his own worst enemy,got totally screwed by the system. That suspension should have never bled over 3 seasons due to Covid. It diminished his availability to earn. Very surprised the MLB PA didn’t step up. He completed all of his programs well before March of 2020.
All of that being said.many scout notes he had the 2nd/3rd best arm on the Yankee staff IF he can harness his emotions. I wonder how well he would perform on a prove it deal load with incentives.
User 1939973770
I may have terrible reading comprehension skills, but it read to me like his alcohol treatment was in August 2023, which was well after March 2020.
A-Rod the GOAT
Yeah not sure what OP meant, I think he misread. German only missed 2020 due to suspension, and benefitted from it being covid season (shortened suspension from 81 to 60 games). He’s pitched at least 15 games in every season 2021-2023. But injuries, inconsistent performance, and the new alcohol issue in late 2023 held him back.
As a Yankees fan, I always found it kinda saddening that he was the one that threw the perfect game. Just seems like a crappy dude. Would’ve loved if it was Cole, Cortes or just about anybody else
User 1939973770
Not to deviate too far off the subject, but I agree on your last point.
I know Astros/Yankees fans seldom agree but it would have been nice if it were Cole or Cortes… even King. I still wish there was a world in which the Astros signed Cole again, but everyone knew he wanted to be in pinstripes.
whacamoley
If the Blue Jays sign German, that’s where I legitimately throw in the towel, lol
Thornton Mellon
A guy with off the field issues who would probably slot in as a #4 on the Orioles’ rotation? #3 tops if Means isn’t what he was pre-surgery? No thank you. Orioles need to shoot higher and for better stability both in IP and as a clubhouse presence.
MacGromit
I’m not for this signing nor am I defending it but I would hope that it is part of an “and” and not “or” plan.
Raise the floor AND raise the ceiling. Sign both an improvement to the floor of 4-5 and also, sign a new 1-2.
But I am aware that I’m optimistic to a fault too.
C Yards Jeff
If this is true, an indication Os FO looking for a 4-5 on a one yr? Frees up Wells to work as a set up man to Kimbrel (or if Kimbrel falters…which is my fear…Wells goes to closer)? We’re gonna miss “The Mountain”!
MacGromit
Realistic version of me doubts Johnny will spend for both. Realistic version of me thinks maybe the O’s are done signing pitchers.
But this time of year, I lock that version of me up in the basement for hopes of something special. I’m Charlie Brown believing this time it will be different with Lucy and the football.
lol
Thornton Mellon
MacGromit
Great analogy! Now that its approaching February here’s what comes to my mind…a scene from a certain golf comedy movie…
Orioles fans: I want a good starting pitcher, no, 2 starters. I want a leadoff hitter who gets on base, I want an outfielder who can hit 30 homers, I want…
Orioles: You’ll get nothing and like it!
JimEdmondsHOF
At this point, who have the Blue Jays NOT shown interest into? Bauer? Donaldson? i.e. two guys who would cost peanuts and be ENTERTAINING to watch, but they’d rather hand out a 15-million contract to Isaiah Rider Falefa, lol..
Crash_n_burn
I remember JR Rider lol Denver Nuggets legend lol 10 games or so?
Man is 52 now, how time flies.
JimEdmondsHOF
Lol, as a teen I had a poster of him with the Timberwolves doing the dunk that won him the contest in 1995 or so, haha. Never knew he played with the Nuggets–haven’t followed the sport since the late 90s though.
Crash_n_burn
He was on the Nuggets as his last NBA team he lasted 10 games before they cut him though.
He never played in the NBA again after.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
He is her man.
King Floch
Yuck, but a perfect fit for the John Angelos era of crying poor despite running a consistently bottom 3 payroll for years.
I can’t wait until that family sells the team.
dano62
I would give German a short leash contract, even an MLB deal to see what he can do. Assurances from an agent won’t cut it tho. Both he and Clevinger should be on the Orioles short list if they refuse to make a decent bid for Cease…
LambchoP
Twins should give him a chance. We still haven’t even tried to replace the innings lost from Sonny Grey and Maeda….
88 Brooklyn Dodgers
Makes zero sense that the Yankees would allow Aroldis to sign with another team yet now show interest in German.
HatlessPete
Where does it say here the Yankees are showing interest in german?
HEHEHATE
German getting looks over Bauer is pathetic. This guy mentally has so many demons he just can’t be helped that’s clubhouse quotes. Just cut Bauer his 2/15 w a mutual 10 year option on second year. But hey let’s all fight and over pay for a mid tier at best pitching market.
Deleted Userr
Why?
HEHEHATE
He’s got two suspensions attached to his name. One for cheating and one for beating. He’s also got some really deep alcoholism issues. Even post rehab it’s still going to be a constant struggle for him. He needs help and I don’t see baseball being solace for him. Great teammate which is why I think he’s getting a major pass, but a contending team signing German is like playing with fire and asking to get burned before he can re-emerge himself to being a big league pitcher again.
Lorenzen makes a lot of sense for the o’s the demand for pitching is much more warranted vs Toronto filling the back end. For a guy his age the mileage isn’t there either. Question is, is he the guy we think he is or do we pay him for for the track record pre implosion following his great starts switching leagues. He doesn’t carry the baggage either that German or Bauer do and the injury history on lorenzen isn’t full of red flags for me aside from 4 shoulder Il stints but his last ones were 21,22 seasons.
Old York
Interesting that his BB% has really not changed significantly for most of his career so he’s not getting in trouble there. Velocity is down, though. I guess it goes to show that you can’t just chuck the ball and hope for the best.
Seems to be in for a 4.00 ERA in 2024, so serviceable. I guess if one of those teams is willing to put up with his off-the-field situations, why not.
Fruz
Kind of getting to point where it’s easier to just tell us who the jays aren’t interested in.
Fruz
Mark Sanchez needs to have his head examined. Only a few years ago the Jays traded their closer, Roberto Osuna to the Astros because of his domestic abuse issues.
Why would the jays turn a blind eye to German? That’s how stupid these articles are…Mark Sanchez you are a moron.
scruffmcgruff
Rather my O’s just give an opportunity to a young arm in the minors over this guy. Not to say he doesn’t deserve another chance somewhere. If the O’s can’t get a quality top of the rotation starter via trade without it being super expensive, I think you ride or die with what you have in the organization. That being said Elias and Mejdal know what they’re doing as we’ve seen so far.
its_happening
Blue Jays aren’t in on German. They’ve taken a hardline stance on domestic violence. Zero forgiveness.
KamKid
What makes you say that? This front office has indeed moved on from someone in one case. They have hired someone with a history in another case. I don’t think it’s so cut and dry.
Doug Fistered
#freetrevorbauer
Wrian Washman
Lol
iains 2
As a Jays fan, I’d prefer to take a pass.
RedFraggle
Per O’s beat reporter Roch Kubatko, the O’s aren’t interested in German despite reports to the contrary.
sweetg
No surprise Genius Atkins would sign guy like German .. When German loses it atkins Will throw Schneider under bus again.