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Mets Notes: Baty, McNeil, Alvarez, Senga

By Steve Adams | June 8, 2024 at 8:44am CDT

TODAY: Senga won’t return prior to the All-Star break, Mets manager Carlos Mendoza told DiComo (X link) and other reporters today.

JUNE 7: The Mets and Phillies face off this weekend in MLB’s London Series, and both clubs will be afforded a 27th man for the overseas event. For the Mets, that’ll be infielder Brett Baty, who was recently optioned to Triple-A Syracuse in a move designed to help him get back on track but also to get hot-hitting Mark Vientos a legitimate audition at third base.

While Vientos is clearly outplaying his fellow corner-infield prospect at the moment, it seems the Mets are open to ideas that could keep both in the lineup, even with a full-time designated hitter (J.D. Martinez) and with Pete Alonso entrenched at first base. Baty told the Mets beat this morning that the team has informed him he’ll likely begin taking reps at second base soon down in Syracuse (X link via Newsday’s Tim Healey). It hasn’t happened in a game setting yet, but the Mets approached him about the possibility when he was optioned on May 31.

The potential addition of second base to Baty’s skill set comes at a time when longtime second baseman Jeff McNeil is struggling through the worst results of his career. McNeil, the 2022 National League batting champion, is hitting just .227/.296/.320 this season — about 16% worse than league-average, by measure of wRC+.

The 32-year-old McNeil is in just the second season of a four-year, $50MM extension and thus isn’t in jeopardy of being cut loose, but this is the second straight season his offensive output has declined in notable fashion. McNeil still has elite bat-to-ball skills (11.2% strikeout rate, 87.6% contact rate), but he’s hitting more fly-balls than ever before, which is having an adverse impact on his results. (Fly-balls — at least those in play — are the easiest type of batted ball to convert into an out.) There’s still surely some poor fortune in play, as McNeil’s fly-ball rate is only a few percentage points higher than when he won his batting title, while his .246 BABIP checks in 70 points shy of his career mark. But clearly the Mets have some level of concern, and clearly they’re also still looking at ways for both Baty and Vientos to factor into the long-term plan (particularly if the club ends up re-signing Pete Alonso and thus removing a Vientos-to-first base scenario).

Baty has never played second base in his professional career. He’s logged 250 innings in left field and otherwise spent every defensive inning since being drafted at third base. But with Vientos viewed more strictly as a corner infielder and also batting an outstanding .333/.392/.621 through his first 74 plate appearances this year, the Mets will take a look at the possibility of Baty slotting in elsewhere on the diamond. Baty hit just .225/.304/.325 in 169 turns at the plate prior to being optioned, so he has some obvious work to do on the offensive side of things as well — but it’s nevertheless interesting to see the Mets experimenting with the defensive alignment in a manner that could accommodate two of the organization’s longtime top prospects who have previously had the same primary position.

Both Baty and Vientos have the potential to emerge as cornerstones in Queens, and if they’re able to do so they’ll likely slot in alongside catcher Francisco Alvarez in forming a young core of hitters around which president of baseball ops David Stearns can build. Alvarez has been out since mid-April, when he required surgery to repair a torn ligament in his thumb. He’s been on a minor league rehab assignment and had been slated for a return early next week. However, Anthony DiComo of MLB.com reports that Alvarez’s return will be delayed by at least a few days. There’s no setback or new injury, but Alvarez has flown home to Venezuela to tend to a family matter.

At this point, there’s no indication Alvarez will be delayed long. A return in latter half of next week still seems feasible. The 25-year-old has already appeared in five minor league games but could get a few more under his belt before being activated. He hit .236/.288/.364 in 16 games before incurring his injury but swatted 25 homers in 123 games (423 plate appearances) last season. Alvarez has hit for a subpar .212 average in 496 big league plate appearances but makes plenty of hard contact, draws a roughly average number of walks, has clear plus power and has made substantial defensive improvements in the past couple years.

In further Mets injury news, there’s some optimism with regard to Kodai Senga’s lengthy rehab process. He’s slated to throw a bullpen session next Monday or Tuesday, tweets Mike Puma of the New York Post. Originally placed on the IL due to a moderate capsule strain his right shoulder, Senga has encountered multiple setbacks along the way. He progressed to facing live hitters by late April but was scaled back to try to get his mechanics back in order. While going through that step, Senga sustained a triceps injury that necessitated a cortisone injection and another five-day shutdown period.

That latter setback came in late May, but the silver lining was that his ailing shoulder looked to be healed on that MRI. It seems both the shoulder and triceps are now approaching a point where he’ll be cleared to throw. There will still be multiple steps to check off before Senga is a realistic option to return to the Mets’ rotation. He’ll likely need multiple bullpen sessions, followed by live sessions against hitters and then a minor league rehab assignment that figures to last multiple starts (with a full slate of rest between each, of course). It seems unlikely he’d be able to check all those boxes by the end of this month, making a July return far more likely.

Senga, 31, is in the second season of a five-year, $75MM contract. The former NPB standout made the All-Star team last year in his rookie season. He also finished second in NL Rookie of the Year voting and seventh in NL Cy Young voting after pitching 166 1/3 innings of 2.98 ERA ball with a 29.1% strikeout rate, 11.1% walk rate, 44.7% grounder rate and 0.92 HR/9.

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  1. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    1 year ago

    Pay down half of squirrel’s salary, trade him to Dodgers for a single A pitching prospect, and move Baty to 2B. Mr. LaForge, make it so.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      1 year ago

      Dodgers can than DFA Chris Taylor, squirrel’s .227 batting average is an upgrade on Taylor’s .095.

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    • geofft

      1 year ago

      Why don’t we see if Baty will ever learn to hit MLB pitching before we bother with him moving positions, let alone dumping other players to accommodate that move?

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 year ago

        The argument would be that this season is lost. Try out Baty at 2B now because a year from now other prospects will have surpassed him on the depth chart. Unless you think squirrel will rebound.

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      • Sydney Nusinov

        1 year ago

        McNeil needs to go regardless.

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    • mlb fan

      1 year ago

      “Half of squirrel’s salary”…The Mets really jumped the gun on signing McNeil; there was zero to little chance his price would escalate radically given that he’s an unorthodox, defensively limited, not particularly athletic singles hitter. There’s a reason McNeil was looking to lock in guaranteed $ after what appears to be an outlier career year.

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      • rct

        1 year ago

        @mlb fan: it’s $12.5 million per year. That’s not much in today’s game. It was a solid signing at the time. McNeil has just fallen off of a cliff since then.

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        • mlb fan

          1 year ago

          “Fallen off a cliff”…Anytime a player “falls off a cliff” a year after signing it’s a fairly bad deal. And giving out a long term deal based on 1 (career) year is just bad business. And although $12.5M is not a back breaker financially, it’s more than enough to get a couple of good bullpen pieces(or a mid level SP) to save some games they’ve lost in the late innings. $12.5M(he’d get half of that thru arbitration)is clearly more than even the richest team wants to throw away on a below average, defensively challenged IF.

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        • rct

          1 year ago

          “Anytime a player “falls off a cliff” a year after signing it’s a fairly bad deal”

          Read my post again. I said “at the time” it was a solid signing. You’re viewing it in hindsight. Two different things. No one is saying that paying McNeil $25 million over the next two seasons is good now. But you said they “jumped the gun” on signing him, which they did not do. You’re switching between judging the deal at the time of signing and judging it a year and a half in.

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        • Chris from NJ

          1 year ago

          It wasn’t just the career year McNeil had he has been a 5 WAR player twice and has always been around 2 WAR a year on his down years at the price 1 WAR is going for even though McNeil looks finished this year it’s not the worst contract ever. If he can get back to being what he was last year which was a “down year” he’s still got some value.

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        • thecheddahbob

          1 year ago

          Based on one year? He was literally 5 years into his career and had a career average over .300. Your comment makes zero sense

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    • paddyo furnichuh

      1 year ago

      Captain, have you spoken with your number 1? That’s a trade the LAD org does in the McCourt days. This is not a likely scenario now.

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      • lesterdnightfly

        1 year ago

        No need to speak with Number 1.
        McNeil has been playing like Number 2….

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    • rct

      1 year ago

      If that deal was on the table, Mets would have made the trade already. In addition to this Baty experiment, they have Acuna in AAA and Mauricio returning from injury next year. They’ll have options.

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  2. Krlnd

    1 year ago

    Steve,

    Francisco Alvarez isn’t 25, he’s only 22.

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    • User 3014224641

      1 year ago

      That’s a Nick Deeds-level error.

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      • Never Remember

        1 year ago

        Wow you really are insufferable

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      1 year ago

      This season has aged him 3 years.

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      • lesterdnightfly

        1 year ago

        Or he uses the same birth registration office as Jose Abreu and Albert Pujols.

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        • gbs42

          1 year ago

          lester, evidence???

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    • mlb fan

      1 year ago

      “He’s only 22″…The Mets are making some progress; Alvarez & Vientos look like keepers, although it remains to be seen if Vientos can stick at 3b or if he’s a DH long term

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      • Blue Baron

        1 year ago

        Vientos should take over 1B after Alonso is traded.

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        • mlb fan

          1 year ago

          “Alonso is traded”…That could be a good play since he profiles as a power threat. Since Mets are scuffling I haven’t watched them as much as usual. Do you think Vientos’ glove is adequate for corner IF?

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        • Blue Baron

          1 year ago

          He’s doing a decent job at third, so why not?

          I totally expect them to trade Alonso and slide Vientos over there.

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  3. Samuel

    1 year ago

    We need more extended analysis of every little thing that can possibly happen with the Mets, Yankees, and Dodgers.

    Preferably at least a few times a day.

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  4. burn0820

    1 year ago

    Alvarez is 22 not 25

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  5. Guarded Indian

    1 year ago

    The Mets should start trading anyone who is tradable for any kind of prospect and see what they have in their young guys. Start with JD Martinez so they can give Alonso some DH at bats. Give Baty another shot in NY.

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    • ctbronx7

      1 year ago

      And don’t forget Mauricio as a 3B or LF next season. The guy can flat out hit.

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  6. Never Remember

    1 year ago

    Baty is not and will never be a cornerstone. He was overrated in the minors and exposed in the majors. Ok platoon player but not a player that greatly improves the Mets especially with them fighting for that final wc slot

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    • MetsSchmets

      1 year ago

      Objectively wrong. 157 ABs across 3 AAA seasons he’s hitting .315 with a .533 slug and .943 OPS. Where is the overrated part?

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  7. LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert

    1 year ago

    Get rid of Alonso for Kjerstad and then throw Kjerstad into the outfield and slide Veintos over to 1st. Kjerstad is going to be good, he just needs consistent playing time

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    • Os1995

      1 year ago

      Why would the Orioles trade a valuable prospect for a player who may not be an upgrade over their existing 1st basemen. Both Mountcastle and O’hearn have better stats than Alonso this year.

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    • Samuel

      1 year ago

      Great trade for the Orioles!

      They can play Alonso at 1B as that Mountcastle guy is only maybe twice the player Alonso is. At other times they can DH Alonso because the O’s don’t have enough players on their ML roster that can hit.

      Just look, that O’s team is in big trouble. They’re 4th in MLB in runs scored and have the 4th best W-L record in MLB. This is the time to panic, increase the payroll for no reason, and and trade away a top prospect with years of control for a guy playing out his option.

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      • Krlnd

        1 year ago

        Samuel,

        “Mountcastle is only maybe twice the player Alonso is”

        Even though I know your post has a sarcastic tone, this statement is way off base.

        Speaking of “twice”, Alonso literally has way over twice the amount of HRs as Mountcastle in their careers which started within a year of each other.

        Also, Alonso’s career OPS is .863 while Mountcastle’s is .780.

        Finally, Alonso is a much better defender than what he gets credit for.

        The stereotype, “big power hitting 1B must be a bad defender” is not accurate with him, as he frequently makes outstanding, quick-reflex plays that even the best fielding 1st baseman ever, Keith Hernandez, has gushed about.

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        • Samuel

          1 year ago

          Krlnd;

          Watch some Orioles and Mets games, then get back to me.

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        • Ma4170

          1 year ago

          Or alonso’s career 136 ops+ vs mountcastle’s 117 ops+. Alonso’s power numbers would be ridiculous in that park.

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        • Krlnd

          1 year ago

          Samuel,

          In addition to HRs and OPS that have previously been discussed, if you’re a WAR guy here are their career stats:

          Mountcastle: 7.2
          Alonso: 18

          Also, Alonso has received MVP votes in 60% of his seasons, while Mountcastle has never gotten a single vote.

          No doubt those MVP voters have watched a lot of Orioles and Mets games.

          Yet somehow Mountcastle is twice as good as Alonso?

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    • MetsSchmets

      1 year ago

      I doubt the Orioles are trading the whole of Kjerstads future production for 5 months of an defensively lacking power bat.

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  8. Sunday Lasagna

    1 year ago

    Thought Acuna was the future 2B in Queens?

    Even if Acuna goes to the OF, isn’t a ACL recovering Mauricio a better 2025 2B option than Baty?

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      1 year ago

      Yosh

      Yes, I think by April 2026 Luisangel will be the starting 2B. That is why I would like to test drive Baty there now, before Baty becomes passed on the depth chart.

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      • Sunday Lasagna

        1 year ago

        Thanks Manny, that makes sense.

        Wonder if 2026 will see Vientos over at 1B with Acuna, Lindor and Mauricio rounding out the Infield.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          1 year ago

          Vientos will be 1B or DH, not sure which. I agree with the rest of it.

          While I think the Mets should trade Alonso, I could imagine them re-signing him as well.

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      • geofft

        1 year ago

        Until he learns to hit AAA pitching, there’s absolutely zero basis for making any kind of timeline on him, let alone one that makes him a starter.

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      • rct

        1 year ago

        @Manny: 2026 is too far off. Acuna is already in AAA. Struggled at first but is getting better. Once the Mets trade off whatever they can at the deadline, Acuna will probably get promoted.

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        • geofft

          1 year ago

          @ rct 2026 is too far off? To become a starter? On what basis? Even if he gets here before 2026,who says he sticks? Look how many prospects go back & forth for two years before sticking in the majors.
          Is he getting better? Its been the same pattern all season long. He slumps for 10 to 15 days, hits OK for 6 or 8 days, then slumps again. He had one stretch that was “better” a few weeks ago. But that ended and he’s back on the same pattern. Even as we speak, he is 2 for his last 21. He’s barely getting only very slightly better in the sense that his slumps aren’t quite as deep or long as they were in April.

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    • Say Hey Now Kid

      1 year ago

      I was just going to say the same thing. Additionally Baty’s not a real good defender at his primary position so I don’t see how the transition helps anyone

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    • geofft

      1 year ago

      Acuna isn’t the future anywhere until he learns to hit in AAA where he struggles to keep his OPS in the 600’s.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 year ago

        I agree that Acuna needs an 80 game stretch with a 0.300 batting average, and enough walks to bolster his OBP, in the minors to make his no power awesome speed combo viable. I think the Mets are willing to play with Baty because they will be shipping out some salary this year. Luisangel on the other hand, I think they will take him slower. I think he can be a starter, and my timetable is Spring 2026.

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        • Ma4170

          1 year ago

          Hope you’re right… he obviously has the speed. Not sure his bat can play at MLB level, but maybe he’ll continue to develop.

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    • lesterdnightfly

      1 year ago

      Acuna has been underwhelming so far. No guarantee he’ll be more than a utility guy.

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      • Ma4170

        1 year ago

        Yeah i see acuna as a utility player at best

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  9. metsfan69

    1 year ago

    Dare I say – trim the fat

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    • lesterdnightfly

      1 year ago

      C’mon, they already let Vogey go….

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  10. Robrock30

    1 year ago

    Lol Mets,

    They are the worst at evaluating talent and developing positional players. Look at Paul Sewald and Seth Lugo who were right under their noses. Baty is a AAAA talent who can’t hit MLB pitching so moving him to 2B accomplishes nada. McNeil needs to go in the upcoming fire sale.

    Senga supposedly had medical issues coming in which are now rendering him unable to pitch. They offered Yamamoto mega $ and didn’t make an offer to Imanaga. Whoa is Mets!

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    • MetsSchmets

      1 year ago

      Everyone here knew you’d make this exact comment regardless of the content of the article

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      • Robrock30

        1 year ago

        I am consistent and always right about all things Mets since 1967.

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        • MetsSchmets

          1 year ago

          Tell us about Bud Harrelson

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  11. Big whiffa

    1 year ago

    Cohen could end poverty w the amount of money he’s thrown away on payroll

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    • mlb fan

      1 year ago

      “Thrown away on payroll”…What Cohen has spent wouldn’t even end poverty in New York City. Why do people expect private citizen, sports team owners to “end poverty”?..
      Maybe you should hold your elected officials to that same standard since they are the ones in charge of TENS of BILLIONS of dollars in tax revenues, not sports team owners.

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  12. meckert

    1 year ago

    Good bye Jeff and Pete.

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    • Robrock30

      1 year ago

      Don’t stop there as in everything must go!

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  13. Sign Alonso long-term!

    1 year ago

    Why not have him play first base, if and it looks likely they are trading Pete? You have Acuna, Williams and Mauricio who can play 2nd or ss in 2025

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    • MetsSchmets

      1 year ago

      Neither Acuna, Williams or Mauricio have proven themselves MLB-capable let alone MLB-ready

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      • Ma4170

        1 year ago

        Acuna im not excited about. Jett i am but he’ll basically miss the bulk of the year after his surgery. Mauricio at least showed he can hit line drives and make some hard contact in his short MLB debut.

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    • geofft

      1 year ago

      @ Sign Alonso If you want to say something like that, back it up with some substance. Acuna struggles to keep his OPS above .650 in AAA in 2024. How does that translate into becoming a starting major leaguer in 2025? Williams has played only 16 games in AA, and is out with injury for another 8 weeks. How does that get him to the majors by next season?
      Mauricio had three great weeks in MLB last year, followed by two bad ones – net result .643 OPS, And he is out for the year with an injury.

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  14. fred-3

    1 year ago

    Whichever GM gives Pete $130M+ needs their head examined

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    • Ma4170

      1 year ago

      Oh i could easily see $130m+. Its the 200m+ where theyre dreaming

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 year ago

        Yeah, I agree with 4170 on this one. I would have no problem with Pete getting $130 to $150 million.

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    • Liberalsteve

      1 year ago

      Why would you give him more than 60 million? He has zero upside and a huge downside. 90 percent of his production is available for much cheaper

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      • Ma4170

        1 year ago

        Really? His 162 game average is 250-339-95-45-115 w 136 ops+
        So you could get 86-40-104 and 123 ops+ for considerably cheaper? Not so sure you can find 40-100 alone for much cheaper than 130-150m for a 29 YO who also happens to have a 900 road ops.

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  15. Silent Bob23

    1 year ago

    nm

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  16. jmaggio76

    1 year ago

    putting baty there, albeit temporarily, is still gonna be an issue later on. we think, oh yeah, this’ll work over McNeil. and let’s say it does… we still have BETTER PROSPECTS for second base in the minors. just freaking trade McNeil AND BATY!

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      1 year ago

      Not sure another team will offer much for Baty or I might agree with you.

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      • jmaggio76

        1 year ago

        As I do agree, anything in the infield backup range would be quite ok. I’d expect he’d be a good candidate for a change of scenery, as most METS players usually find success in other places. I’d flip the coin and see what happens.

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  17. lesterdnightfly

    1 year ago

    Another article Not About The Reds, eh?
    Tsk, tsk….

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  18. lesterdnightfly

    1 year ago

    McNeil shouldn’t be using Cespedes’s 9-iron at the plate. All he hits is popups and short fly balls.

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  19. edred51

    1 year ago

    Forget Batty at 2nd, the Mets have better prospects should the Mets move on from McNeil. They need to wait and see if Batty can hit and if he can, then decide what they will do with Alonso. If Alonso stays then it’s either Vientos or Batty at third with the other as DH. If Alonso goes the Mets probably move Vientos to first. I have my doubts about Batty though. This team is one mess after another and this is clearly Stearns mess which is another BIG discussion

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    • lesterdnightfly

      1 year ago

      Earl Battey retired a long time ago.

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    • MetsSchmets

      1 year ago

      Who is the 2b prospect you referred to?

      Also don’t you think it’s premature to judge Stearns? He hasn’t had enough time to do anything yet.

      We’re only a few months into a 5 year deal where he spent most of that off season trying to familiarize himself with facilities/systems plus hundreds of staff and players. They’ve done a bunch of hiring and now let’s see what that influx of talent can produce.

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  20. letitbelowenstein

    1 year ago

    I thought Baty had a ton of potential and envisioned him as a possible star. I guess I was off a wee bit.

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  21. rmullig2

    1 year ago

    Neither Baty or McNeil are likely to play second for the Mets next year. I expect them to sign Gleyber Torres to a long term deal to try to entice his buddy Soto to follow him. Then Soto will probably spurn them to remain with the Yankees. Would seem consistent for how things have gone for the Mets lately.

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