The White Sox’s reported desire to deal dominant youngster Garrett Crochet this summer has made the southpaw one of the most intriguing players to watch in the days leading up to the trade deadline on July 30, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale noted this morning that Chicago still intends to deal the lefty this summer even as rival GMs express uncertainty regarding whether or not a deal will come together. Nightengale goes on to note that while the Padres made a “recent” offer to the South Siders for Crochet, White Sox brass “quickly dismissed” the proposal.
This isn’t the first report to suggesting that the White Sox have been dismissive of offers from rival clubs, as reporting earlier this month suggested the Dodgers have also put forth an offer that was ultimately rejected. Still, it’s somewhat notable that San Diego’s offer for the lefty’s services was turned down given the fact that the Padres were reportedly the “most aggressive” team in their pursuit of the lefty’s services as recently as last month. It’s certainly possible that other clubs have become more aggressive in their pursuits of Crochet since then, but the news is nonetheless the latest signal that the price for the youngster’s services will be steep.
An exorbitant asking price is somewhat understandable given Crochet’s unique combination of youth, dominance, and team control. The 25-year-old has pitched to a 3.02 ERA in 107 1/3 innings of work this year with even stronger peripheral numbers, as he leads the majors with a whopping 150 strikeouts. That’s good for a 35.2% strikeout rate, and Crochet complements that heavy dose of K’s with a microscopic 5.4% walk rate and a strong 45.7% groundball rate. A starting pitcher with that sort of elite talent is extremely hard to come by in any case, much less at an age when some pitchers have yet to even establish themselves at the majors and with team control that runs through the end of the 2026 season.
While there’s been questions about whether or not Crochet will be able to remain in the rotation down the stretch after already more than doubling his total number of innings as a professional in the first half, the lefty would surely be a valuable asset even in a bullpen role for the second half this year before returning to the rotation in 2025. Given that, it’s hardly a surprise that Crochet is reportedly receiving widespread interest from clubs around the league. That should allow the White Sox to set the asking price on his services quite high, particularly given the fact that they could try to deal him again this winter if talks end up stalling out.
One clue as to where the Sox may set the bar regarding Crochet is that Nightengale suggests Chicago is “insisting” on Yankees outfield prospect Spencer Jones as part of the return for the lefty’s services in negotiations with New York. Jones, the Yankees’ first round pick in the 2022 draft, was a frequently discussed prospect this winter as the club resisted requests for him to be included in deals with various trade partners throughout the winter. He entered the season as a consensus top-100 prospect in the sport, with some services even ranking him in the top 30 or higher. A slow start to the season at Double-A saw most outlets settle on placing Jones in the top-75 range earlier this year, though he’s heated up in recent weeks and may have seen his prospect stock start to rebound a bit. Either way, reporting last week indicated that the Yankees remain unwilling to part with Jones, suggesting that a deal between New York and Chicago is unlikely unless one side or the other folds regarding the hulking outfield prospect.
IndianaBraves85
Colton Cowser + prospects for Crochet and Fedde
Reasonable?
User 401527550
Why would they trade their starting outfielder?
just_thinkin
Because he hasn’t been starting much
IndianaBraves85
Because they have at least five starting outfielders and a need for pitching.
websoulsurfer
Not an Orioles fan, so help me understand. Their pitching staff is #6 in MLB. Why do they need pitching?
HatlessPete
Soulsurfer, they have some injuries, most notably to Kyle bradish, that have thinned out their rotation depth and they certainly have room for a starter with more years of control with free agency coming for a couple guys. Also their system is very hitter heavy. Can’t off the top of my head think of a pitching prospect of any note in their upper minors.
danumd87 2
We’ve got nobody. Povich, McDermott, Johnson are out 8-10 and all profile as back end sps at best.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Which prospects? If you’re talking Norby and below, then no.
gr81t2
Are you kidding? Norby is a beast offensively. He could start for any mlb team right now. The orioles are the one team that can’t fit all their AAA guys. Gonna have to trade or trim some veteran fat soon.
letitbelowenstein
I haven’t seen ‘beast’ coming from Norby, although he still has potential. The O’s have good prospects but they have as long a history as any other team of ‘can’t-miss superstars” who flop.
kroeg49
New York offense is not a strong part of this season’s team. If Norby is so much of a ‘Beast’ he would be in the bigs now.
sorengo99
Yes, that’s reasonable. At least a 45 in addition to Cowser.
Some folks deluding themselves on both Norby’s value (40-45) and the surplus value of Crochet’s team control.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Cowser and norby would work (maybe an extra minor leaguer or 2 to sweeten the pot) but I don’t think the white Sox would want Colton as the center piece, they would want someone younger like Sam basallo
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Unless the Sox see one of Quero or Basallo as a 1B, I don’t think they have interest. It’s about the size of the upgrade. Basallo is an upgrade over Quero, but C is not a big hole for the future of the Sox. OF and 2B are.
Rsox
In the sense that it gives the White Sox an immediate replacement for Robert if he’s traded it’s very reasonable. Unfortunately, that’s probably why the White Sox won’t do it
letitbelowenstein
Only if the “prospects” are Holliday, Mayo and maybe two others. This sounds like a Dodgers proposal from the 1970s. Give us your top three starting pitchers, two outfielders and your all-star catcher and we’ll send you an A-ball reliever and our .216 hitting shortstop.
mohoney
Just make it a 2-for-1 with Cowser and Mayo and call it a day.
sckoul
We need more.
dshires4
If the White Sox don’t get Holliday back, then they’re not dealing Crochet+Fedde to Baltimore.
sorengo99
LOL, video game traders out in full force today.
mohoney
They will not be sending Crochet and Fedde in the same deal. Nobody will be willing to give up enough prospects to cover that cost.
CluHaywood
I’ve seen some say Norby and Mayo and other pitching prospects for Fedde and Crochet.
LambchoP
Twins have six prospects in the top 100. I seriously doubt Chicago would trade within the division though. Not to mention my cheap ass twins would never pay the price needed to finally get their playoff ace.
User 401527550
Why wouldn’t they trade in the division if it’s the best offer. They aren’t competing for awhile.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Optics. In my mind, the Twins should have a bigger problem with it. The Sox would only see Crochet in Minnesota through 2026. The Twins would have to face their former prospects for six years if they hit.
CBeisbol
re heaf
“Optics”
Such dumb logic
Who cares?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Fans. Lot of grousing about “we could have had these guys, but instead we had two years of Crochet and he left. This sucks!” I agree that it might be illogical, but many fans are.
mohoney
And if they don’t hit, they weaken the White Sox for a long time. Win-win!
Rsox
For the same reason the Blue Jays wouldn’t trade Vlad Jr. or Bichette to the Yankees unless they offered a massive overpay.
Trades within the same division usually come back to bite you
User 401527550
How is that? You are looking at it from a losing the trade prospective. It obviously didn’t come back to bite one of the teams. I don’t think GM’s make trades thinking they are losing the trade.
CBeisbol
Rsox
“Trades within the same division usually come back to bite you”
Only if you’re making bad trades. And those come back to bite you anyway
JoeBrady
Teams seldom trade within their own division. I don’t get it either, but that’s the reality of the situation.
Doral Silverthorn
Padres will get him. They are that team that will overpay for just about anyone.
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed but do they have enough left? They’re trade for Soto is a loser now and let that be a lesson to others. There is risk especially here given the innings he’s already pitched this year.
Easy as 1 2 3
6, 46, 78, 80 based on mlb.com
But no they should be in on Fedde.
mohoney
Unique situation. The owner was dying, and San Diego was racing against that clock.
websoulsurfer
In what way is the trade for Soto and Bell a loser? Soto put up 7.2 WAR for the Padres. The kids traded away put up a 5.4 WAR for Nationals in the 1.3 seasons Soto was a Padre.
Now that he was traded to the Yankees and pieces in that trade were moved for Cease, you have to wait until King, Vasquez, Brito, Higgy, and Cease play at a minimum the 2 seasons. so far this season that is 5.4 WAR on the Padres side of the ledger. The players on the Nationals have put up 4 WAR this season.
Like most trades, that one is looking like a pretty fair trade.
User 401527550
That is a ridiculous analogy. The Nationals have years of control of Abrams, Woods and Hassel. It doesn’t stop for them after two years. One is an all star. We are pretty confident one will be really good and the jury is out on the third.
websoulsurfer
The question is when they need starting pitching help this season, why would they trade for a pitcher that has already started being shut down as a starter?
Crochet won’t start any more games this season. He might be part of bullpen games where he is the first arm on the mound, but no more starts.
avenger65
Why would Getz trade players like Crochet and Burger when they both have multi-years of control? Because it makes Getz feel like a big man sitting on players like Cease, Crochet and Robert, dangling them in front of rival FO’s then pulling them back. Hahn and Williams knew what they had when they signed those three. Now Getz is laughing in their faces while he spits in ours.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Getz didn’t trade Burger. And because trading them is the right thing to do. Jerry won’t spend enough for them to contend before Crochet and Robert are gone, so the most reasonable solution is to trade them, especially in a seller’s market.
CluHaywood
That is a completely accurate account of the mentality of JR. It’s also a stupid mentality. He is hoping he hits on about 12 prospects in a 2 year window and creates a competitive team that he can then surround with 35 year old sluggers and middle infielders that are “defensive wizards” but can’t hit their weight in BA. If they sell Crochet, it’s frustrating but somewhat understandable, IF you can get a solid haul in prospects. And not an Atlanta for Bummer trade where they got a collective bag of elephant turds either. Legit prospects that don’t need/should not be developed by this minor league system. Selling Robert is all about saving money. You aren’t getting anything for Robert right now and would sell low on him.
And IF you sell Robert and Corchet, they is a 26 and 25 years. You will then have NOTHING to build around in the Majors (Maybe Thorpe) and this newest crop of prospects you just got all need to hit in the next 3 years or you are trading then all again anyway. It’s just so f***ing irritating, but also completely on-brand for Reinsdorf owned teams.
kevnames42
Because the White Sox are going to be cellar dwellers for the next 5 years. What good is it to keep the good players around when they can capitalize on their top value now?
I give no fox
Why are some fans hung up on the burger trade? Dude had a good couple months to end the year but has fallen off a cliff. He has been a net negative this season. He is defensively limited and relies on power to be successful offensively. He strikes out a lot and doesn’t walk. Those guys grow on trees. He has an OPS+ of 74 this season
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
People don’t like burger now because he isn’t hitting enough homers for cheap burger at the park days
kroeg49
Williams traded Burger before he was fired.
CluHaywood
And he did it to spite Hahn. Because Reinsdorf, being the complete sack of garbage that is, allowed both to run the team simultaneously and they had constant d*** measuring contests on whose philosophy and players were better. Jerry Reinsdorf is the worst thing to happen in Chicago sports.
nrd1138
The guy really laughing is that miser and fossil Reinsdorf. ‘The Chairman’ should be embarrassed and this silly (and stupid) notion of ‘well trade these guys because they will not be available for the ‘window’ to win’ is absurd on its face.. Wait for what? Like 50 years when the stars finally ‘align’ so the ‘competitive window’ arrives? Are these Sox fans that have been so demoralized by the owner that they fails to see the silliness of that illogical position?
A real owner keeps both Crochet and Robert and gets a competent coaching staff in place (and not just asking old retired friends or getting the lowest dollar candidate) and building at least a competent team around these guys.
What really needs to happen is Jerry sells the team to someone that truly cares about winning, not just seeing the numbers click up on the register.
desertball
Agree. SDP under Preller are like most Yankee teams under GS
kripes-brewers
Kinda feels like Crochet will be similar to Rodin, loads of talent, but injuries only allow glimpses of greatness. Hope I’m wrong as the kid looks like the real deal. I think my Crew will stay away, but he sure is intriguing with all that remaining control
kripes-brewers
*Rodon
Louholtz22
I don’t see the Brewers giving up any top prospects for him. To use him this year as a starter, they basically would have to shut him down for a month at some point or make him a bullpen guy.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
In fairness, most of Crochet’s missed time was to TJS. Cost him the better part of two seasons. Teams may have to make him a reliever for a month or two to save him for the playoffs, or even leave him as a reliever through the playoffs, but I think he’ll be fine. Rodon had a ton of injuries.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I see crochet as more of a Chris sale but 50 pounds heavier
He has the upper velocity and secondary breaking pitches to get tons of strikeouts
The thing is sale had the funky arm slot and Garrett is more traditional
Blackpink in the area
I think people are going to be surprised when Crochet is traded. I don’t think it’s going to cost what people think it will cost. Imo the Brewers are the best fit out there for him. The Brewers have outfielders to trade and the White Sox need outfielders.
seamaholic 2
White Sox are beginning a rebuild. The guys they get for their veteran trade assets will be names you don’t know, unless you follow very low levels closely. They’ll be 18-22 year olds burning up a complex league or something. They certainly won’t be major league ready dudes.
mohoney
False.
The Cease trade, the Lynn/Kelly trade, the Graveman trade, and the Gregory Santos trade have all featured at least one player in the return who has reached the majors THIS YEAR. The Giolito/Lopez trade may join that group later this year if Ky Bush is promoted.
nrd1138
Yeah, just keep trading everyone over and over until that ‘perfect window’ arrives (which it never will, not with this organization as long as the fossil running it still owns the team).
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I disagree. Compare Crochet’s advanced metrics to Cease from his CYA runner-up campaign. Crochet doesn’t have Cease’s durability, but he has been a better pitcher than Cease at his best. In fact, if you took Crochet’s fWAR pace and gave him as many innings as the prior fWAR leaders, he’s having the best pitcher season since Burnes in 2021.
I know he’ll be limited in innings for the rest of the year and that lowers his value a little, but considering that there won’t be limits next year, his cheap control for two more seasons, that he’s barely over the league minimum this year, and that a team could make him a lightly used reliever for a month and a half then ramp him up to start for the playoffs, the value is very high. And it’s even higher if the Tigers hold Skubal like many think they will and with the Marlins keeping Luzardo.
gr81t2
Any of the orioles top 7 prospects are better than yanks #30 overall. But I wouldn’t give up the farm for this guy given innings pitched and injury concerns.
deweybelongsinthehall
The O’s are the one team I believe should get him. Their farm is deep enough to absorb it should it not work out and even if you make him a reliever for this year, his years left fit in with the O’s overall plan. Besides, during next year’s Rule 5 draft, the team could be picked clean if they don’t make a three or four for one trade before then.
rayw
Ding, ding, ding. Exactly right.
Longinus
Dewey, very well said, that is the right sort of thinking teams should be using in general and what you lay out for Baltimore seems on point. Good match of player, price, team need, and ability to meet the price without it hurting the buyer’s efforts.
websoulsurfer
They will also be losing two starters to FA at the end of the season and are strong enough to absorb Crochet not making any more starts this season.
cbhlarms28
Any pitcher who throws a ball repeatedly for a living comes with injury concerns.
gr81t2
That’s why they have a dozen front office guys to figure that out.
UncommonSense
He will not be the same pitcher in the second half
Aiden Awe
Ppl tend to forget that Crochet has an innings limit(110IP-120IP). Meaning he’ll probably get shut down in the second half.
padam
Not if the team that trades for him decides differently.
Big Hurt
Nobody forgets that, but thanks. Ultimately, I think it’s overstated… any team will watch him closely, but he has been top 3 pitcher in the AL, paid $800k this year, and has 2 years controllable after this year. Ultimately, if he is well managed, he will give a team 3 great postseasons
websoulsurfer
The White Sox have already started that process as he has thrown just 6 innings in his last 2 starts. At best he is a reliever the rest of the season. He won’t be making anymore 5+ inning starts this year.
Big Hurt
@websoul – while it’s technically true that he’s only thrown 6 innings in his last 2 starts, that’s only because he threw 93 pitches in 4 inefficient innings, then 2 so he’d be ready for the all star game.
In fact, he’s thrown between 85 and 103 pitches for 12 straight starts and none of those on longer than 6 days rest.
Shutting him down is overblown and overstated.
Aiden Awe
Wsox will probably shut him down in the 2nd half. Wsox have traditionally done this to first year starters.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
No, they won’t because he’ll be on another team.
Aiden Awe
I rather keep him and extend him but that’s just my opinion though.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’d rather that, too, but it just won’t happen under Jerry. Shame, too, because Crochet may be their best young pitcher since Sale.
Aaron Sapoznik
Wrong link for Spencer Jones. I’m also skeptical about the White Sox insisting on him in a potential trade for Crochet or the Yankees refusal to include him. Jones stats have been underwhelming as a professional and the White Sox ability to fully unlock a prospects talent is also questionable.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
The Yankees are so hung up on keeping jones just because they see him as left handed judge and they want to have the twin towers of baseball back after Stanton leaves
mlbnyyfan
I’m not trading Jones or Dominez until Soto signs a contract. Besides, I hate to admit it, but Crochet is not a difference maker, and my team is not one player away from winning a championship. I challenge anyone. Name me one player that’s available and will be a difference maker to give the Yankees a championship. If that player exists, then yes, trade Jones.
Yankee Clipper
I *think* the reason the Yankees refused to trade Jones (as they did all offseason as well) is precisely what mlbnyyfan wrote: Jones is the OF plan if/when Soto leaves.
The Yankees have a Judge/Dominguez/Jones vision for their future OF.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Do you really see a reality where the Yankees get outbid for Soto one year after they spend so much just to get him from the Padres?
I believe if the Yankees have to overpay they will
Yankee Clipper
Hal commented that there is a limit to what he will spend for Soto. With that said, I do believe there is a good chance they are outbid for Soto.
I could be wrong and I hope I am, but it seems they will not hand Boras a blank check this time.
HatlessPete
Clip, it’s certainly possible they are outbid though the only team I see as likely to get into that kind of big dollar shoot out with the yanks is the Mets. I was thinking about what the field probably looks like for soto in the off-season and other than the new york teams my initial gut take was the dodgers and giants being the other clubs I’d most expect to run at soto. And I don’t know that I see them trying to match wallets with uncle Stevie at the level soto is likely to shoot for especially given the uncertainty around the giants’ big boras opt out guys. The dodgers seem to have a bit more cost certainty but I kind of have them on willy adames as the best fit top end free agent rn.
Armaments216
Crochet to the Nationals for third base prospect Cayden Wallace and a Competitive Balance Round A pick. Nationals can keep Crochet on his 2024 innings limit, then have him ready to go for 2025.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
That would be such an insult to the royals they would probably sue mlb
cwsOverhaul
Last offseason clubs clung to top prospects with a death grip. If that trend continues, the most valuable commodity of a young TOR starter like Crochet with 2+yrs dirt cheap control/TJS rite of passage done/not a Boras client will stay put.
Barfield from AZ and pitching guru Bannister make up a 3 headed monster advising figurehead Getz who they want in general (pitchers in lieu of throwers like Drew Thorpe, position players that are productive with research on work ethic)
Fun drama prediction for most likely destination and the walk away asks in order:
LAD: Rushing, Ferris, Vargas
Balt: Mayo, Norby, pitcher they like (eg. DeLeon)
SD: Salas, pitcher(?), Pauley
NYY: Jones, Hampton, Serna
RSox: Mayer, Anthony and pitcher (reinvent Sale trade fleece)
*Added bonus: Crochet likely would extend for a good club-just not at a silly lowball by JR.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox aren’t trading both Mayer and Anthony if that is the cost thanks but no thanks.
Gwynning
Same for my Pads- no chance Salas is included in virtually *any* trade, and we’ll happily walk away if that is the hard ask by CWS. That being said, Pauley and pieces might have some legs.
VermonsterSD
No Salas, especially for a pitcher who is already at his career hogh forinnings pitched.
HatlessPete
100% Salas shouldn’t be going anywhere. There are too many questions marks with crochet to give up a top 10 overall prospect, and guys that high in the rankings almost never get traded anyway.
YanksPhan42
Cashman is an idiot. I’d trade Jones for Crotchet in two seconds and wouldn’t think twice on it.
mlbnyyfan
@Yanks. Trade Pereira and others for Crotchet. I would consider Jones for Skubal. Is he available. Name me one difference maker that guarantees a championship.
Motor City Beach Bum
Highly doubtful Detroit trades Skubal. The package would be more than for Crochet. They say 4 or 5 top prospects.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Nobody guarantees a championship. They could trade a long reliever for Ohtani and still not be guaranteed anything except more butts in the seats.
HatlessPete
In a vacuum, jones is a reasonable ask for crochet. But I don’t think it makes sense in the specificity of the yanks situation rn. Yes the pitching has stumbled lately, but I would still not call starting pitching the yanks’ most pressing need right now. If crochet needs to go to the pen, then Jones is an overpay for his immediate contribution to a play-off run this season and you’ve lost out on a potential impact offensive player with a lot of uncertainty in the future outfield mix rn. The yanks’ biggest needs both present and long term are on offense. Trading jones and more for crochet would be am extremely shortsighted and reactionary move imo and that would get me calling for Cashman’s head rather than the alternative.
teddyj
Jones is the typical overrated wankee prospect.
Bobby Mongan
If the Orioles and White do agree on a trade for Crochet I do believe a package of Cowser and Norby and maybe Beavers or Fabian would do it. But I would hold on to Cowser and put Stowers in the deal and then also add a lower level prospect. But a 4 for 1 seems steep even for Crochet. Basallo isn’t going anywhere.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox easily beat that trade so do a host of other teams.
Bruin1012
The White Sox have the most desirable trade chip on their hands that is realistically available. He is controlled for two more seasons after this season he has enormous value. Getz needs to ask for the moon and he shouldn’t settle for anything less. Crochet is the desired commodity and these other teams want this guy. As a Red Sox fan I would be willing to trade Marcelo Mayer plus a couple of kickers for this guy. The Red Sox have a deep stacked farm system and trading for this guy is going to cost and any team even the Orioles who think they are getting this guy for a bunch of 10-30’s in their system are delusional.
olmtiant
Bruin… not to sure.. 70 innings in first 4 years( one hurt) I get he’s controlled for a couple more years but Mayer/ Teel off limits… not enough of a big sample size to throw top choices at him… Sale trade in retrospect was different..
Bruin1012
I wouldn’t trade Teel but it’s going to hurt to get Crochet and the Red Sox have up the middle prospects I would trade Mayer for Crochet and I don’t think any other teams would beat that offer. The Red Sox have a really deep farm and they need some pitching since their quality is in the lower minors pitching wise. The Red Sox still have Story signed until at least 2027 ample backup with Rafaela if he gets injured. At this point he’s the most trade-able of the big three. Crochet is a risk but imo a risk worth taking.
HatlessPete
Idk if I’d want to rely on story enough to move Mayer personally. There were already concerns about his ability to hold down short before his latest injury and he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire with the bat in Boston either.
msqboxer
If your team is built to win now and over the next 3 years, you trade the farm. You’re getting a kid that is a #1 or at least a #2 and saving $25M a year over the next 3. Injuries, who knows how long the pre-TJ was bothering him before it was done. Most drafted pitchers now a days have already had TJ surgery or teams don’t back away from the kid.
martevious
A rebuilding team would be dumb to trade young, controllable talent; those are the very players they need to be able to successfully rebuild. The White Sox would be dumb to trade Crochet. Which is why they’ll probably do it.
HatlessPete
The white Sox would be dumb to not trade crochet, if not at the deadline then this off-season at the latest. They are not going to be competitive by the time he reaches free agency and his trade value will likely never be higher.
letitbelowenstein
Funny thing is, Boston probably has more than enough to offer for Crochet but won’t do it.
cbraves
Well we did see what happened last time a White Sox southpaw went to Boston.
letitbelowenstein
If you’re the Sox, would you sacrifice, say, Yorke and Kutter? Or Yorke and Mayer?
B Thomas
Maybe the Harvey trade will show how rediculous some of the posters here are when they say we will give you a few prospects rated 5/12/23/27 in our system for Crochet. I get it he had TJ but come on a sore elbow before he has TJ isn’t a sign of long term health issues
bmann300
As a White Sox fan/ why trade away a 25 year old that everyone else wants- you are rebuilding- this guy and Robert are the guys to rebuild around. Jerry stop being the cheapo you are and Getz- you will lose even more fans if you trade these 2 guys.
HatlessPete
They tried to talk extension with crochet and got absolutely nowhere. Just cuz the fo and fan base want to build around him doesn’t mean he wants to gamble his prime on a dubious chance at contending or even likes the org enough to stick around.
nrd1138
Its simple. The owner of the White Sox is a well know cheapskate and likely offered Crochet a embarrassing low sum of a contract.. Well embarrassing for most, but ‘The Chairman’ is shameless.
The only thing the Sox fans have to hope for is that one way, or another, there is a new owner for the club sooner than later.
HatlessPete
Hey no disagreement that reinsdorf is one of the worst owners in the league. And I’ve heard for a while that the Sox do not have a good player development or support system for their prospects and players. I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox made crochet a token, lowball offer so they could work him rejecting it into their spin on shopping him around.
Aiden Awe
Player development yes, not sure about support system.
HatlessPete
Admittedly I have heard more on the dev side. It’s tough to retrace my steps on this one because it’s not a single in depth source, more like a series of mentions over time. Just nothing I’ve heard about how the Sox do business gives me the impression that they have a good org culture. Reinsdorf handing the aged husk of tony Larussa the managers job out of some weird sentimental regret and him throwing players under the bus with his boomer bs looms large in me thinking this is not an org that is well connected to its players though tbh.
dshires4
Typical host of fans trying to trade for, arguably, the current best pitcher in baseball by not giving up a highly valued prospect.
JoeBrady
“A slow start to the season at Double-A saw most outlets settle on placing Jones in the top-75 range earlier this year, though he’s heated up in recent weeks ”
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Heated up in recent weeks?
I guess you could define “recent” anyway you want, but he has a 20/3 K/W this month with 1 HR in 37 ABs. It is hard to be any worse than that.
websoulsurfer
No one said the Padres were the most aggressive in the pursuit of Crochet, just that they HAD interest. Here is the quote. “The Padres have recently shown strong interest in left-hander Garrett Crochet, according to sources briefed on the White Sox’s discussions.”
No where in that Dennis Lin/Ken Rosenthal article does it say they were aggressive in trade talks. No where did it even say that the Padres made an offer to the White Sox..
Nightengale is rarely proven to be correct on any of his “rumors” so it would behoove you to actually fact check him by reaching out to other sportswriters before trying to build on his lies to write your articles.
Nick, you really need to stop trying to add your own narrative to stories. Just report the facts.
The White Sox have already begun reducing Crochet’s IP with 4 and 2 in his last 2 “starts”. no one is trading for him thinking he will help them down the stretch and that limits his trade value.
Aiden Awe
Ppl are fools if they think Nightengale is a true source.
msqboxer
The CWS won’t trade him unless they get an offer they can’t refuse. His value “if healthy” is the same now as it will be in the offseason.
HatlessPete
I’ve been suspecting he may move in the off-season for a while. The questions on his capacity to give another team impact innings down the stretch make him more of an awkward fit for clubs who need a rotation upgrade in the here and now as well as the future especially at the price the Sox should be setting. I think this may limit the number of clubs who are going to offer the kind of value the sox want. That said, it only takes a couple teams to go hard for the Sox to get a good package so I’m not ruling out a deadline deal.
Prunella Vulgaris
I hope they keep Crochet. I believe he’s going to be. an All Star for many years to come.
If they do trade him, I hope it’s to the Cubs so that we can still. watch him.
Aiden Awe
Crochet and Robert are something to build around for the Wsox. I know they are historically bad but still. Wsox need to add offense and bullpen badly.
nrd1138
Reinsdorf is the problem, he shows it every day. If he was not so vindictive and loathing of his fan base, he would sell the team, but he is too busy still at the vice, trying to squeeze everything he can out of that nickel.