The Padres are showing strong interest in left-hander Garrett Crochet of the White Sox, per a report from Dennis Lin and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. The report cautions that no deal is imminent but it also states that the Friars have been the most aggressive club in pursuing Crochet.
Significant trades are fairly rare at this time of the year, with the trade deadline still almost two months away. However, there are reasons why it’s not so far-fetched with these two clubs. The two sides already lined up on a notable deal at an odd time not too long ago, when the Sox sent Dylan Cease to the Padres in the middle of March, just as the season was about to begin. Each club has also made a noteworthy trade since that time, with the Sox sending Robbie Grossman to the Rangers in early May and the Padres acquiring Luis Arráez from the Marlins around the same time.
For the Sox, they have been aggressively rebuilding for about a year now, selling off just about any player nearing free agency. For the Padres, it’s a part of their general modus operandi, as president of baseball operations A.J. Preller seems to have a strong will to explore all possible avenues for upgrading the club even if those overtures fall outside of standard operating procedure.
But there are also reasons why a deal may not get done. Crochet is in a very unique situation, which makes him less straightforward than other players the Sox have traded. He is still quite young, only 24 years old, turning 25 later this month. He is still under club control for two more years after this one and is only making $800K this year. That’s a reflection of both his quick ascent to the majors and his injury troubles, as he was in the big leagues by his age-21 season but has missed significant time and hasn’t been able to push his salary up.
The Sox put Crochet in the bullpen when they first called him up, an understandable move at the time given his youth and lack of experience. But he then required Tommy John surgery in April of 2022, which prevented him from pitching at all in 2022 and limited him to just 13 appearances last year.
His time spent on the injured list allowed him to reach arbitration in the most recent offseason, but the lengthy absence meant that he barely pushed his salary above the $740K league minimum. Despite a fairly limited innings tally, the Sox decided to stretch him out this year and the results have been excellent. Crochet has thrown 69 2/3 innings over his 13 starts this year, allowing 3.49 earned runs per nine innings. He has struck out 33.7% of batters faced, limited walks to a 5.4% clip and also gotten grounders on 45.2% of balls in play.
For the Sox, they suddenly seem to have an ace on their hands, one who is still young and cheap and doesn’t have a ton on mileage on his arm. But on the other hand, his early promotion and Tommy John layoff means that he’s getting close-ish to free agency. Given the state of the Sox, it’s hard to imagine them returning to contention in the time frame of his club control, as their current record of 15-45 is easily the worst in the league.
Signing Crochet to an extension would be one way to avoid the trade path, but the lefty would have to agree to that. Thanks to his early call-up, he’s currently slated to reach free agency shortly after his 27th birthday, a rarely young age that could leave him well positioned to cash in a couple of years from now. The most recent offseason was rough for a lot of players, as many of them had to settle for deals well below expectations. But two players who blew past predictions were Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Jung Hoo Lee, both of whom were 25 years old.
If that leaves the Sox open to a trade, the time to do it is now when Crochet’s value is highest. By the offseason, they will only be able to market two postseason runs instead of three, while Crochet’s salary will also increase via arbitration.
But whether the Padres can pull off such a trade is another question, something that Lin and Rosenthal highlight in their report. The Friars have traded away many prospects in recent years, including in the aforementioned deals for Cease and Arráez, as well as for Juan Soto, Josh Hader, Sean Manaea and others. Per today’s report, the Sox would probably need to bring back a significant position player in any Crochet deal. The report mentions prospects Ethan Salas and Leodalis De Vries as possibilities but adds that the Padres are reluctant to part with either of those two in a Crochet deal.
Whether a deal can be done remains to be seen, but it’s understandable why the Padres are sniffing around for starting pitching. They recently put Joe Musgrove and Yu Darvish on the injured list, subtracting two of their most established starters. They still have Cease, but the rotation gets flimsy after that. Michael King was mostly a reliever until about a year ago and is still in the process of cementing himself as a big league starter. Matt Waldron and Randy Vásquez each have less than 105 major league innings pitched in their respective careers while Adam Mazur is going to be called up to make his major league debut this week.
Despite the rotation struggles, the club is currently 32-31 and holding onto a Wild Card spot. Proactively acquiring Crochet or any starting pitcher now, as opposed to waiting until the deadline in late July, could help the club stay afloat in what is shaping up to be a very competitive National League playoff race.
bigdaddyt
Huh?
Aiden Awe
Crochet has an innings limit of like 100-120IP I believe. Wsox won’t get much in return if they do decide to trade him.
GareBear
Padres may believe he doesn’t need the same limit. Maybe they are willing to push him to 160+. With how well he is currently pitching, I don’t doubt there are playoff contenders that would be willing to toss him out there until his arm falls off
Blackpink in the area
Even if you push him innings limit to 160 he won’t help in the postseason. I don’t think Crochet makes sense for the Padres. Luzardo makes a lot more sense.
damascusj
Except if and when you darvish and Joe Musgrove return, they could go 6 man rotation, or move crochet to the pen, both solid ways to get more use out of him
Os1995
He also has 2 years of control after this one and can be built up to a full starter workload for future seasons. I bet he will cost multiple top 100 prospects or 1 top 25 prospect.
Aiden Awe
Maybe the Wsox could just keep him at the end of the day.
Blackpink in the area
I don’t see any point to the White Sox keeping him. No way the White Sox are contenders in the next couple years.
avenger65
Blackpink: Longer than that. reinsdorf has no ambition and Getz no common sense. I would dare in a friendly way fans of the Rox and the A’s to say they have a worse owner and “GM”.
SCOTTG3
Option A for the Sox should be an evaluation of how well he’s holding up as a SP and if all signs look good (or most) he’s the pedigree of #1 draft pick they need to offer some long term deals to and keep him.
fermier
All it takes is one line drive off of his knee to end his career (and trade value).
If not the Padres, then someone else is going to land him before the trade deadline.
Blackpink in the area
I think there are teams that make sense to acquire him sure but I don’t think his value in July and his value this coming offseason is much different at all considering the innings limit he’s going to be on.
DeepDownSouth
Really, huh? Why would they trade a 24 yo possible studs for unknown “Prospects”? Teams don’t subtract youth to rebuild I’d think
Blackpink in the area
He only has 2 years of team control left after 2024 that’s why.
avenger65
Os: Jake Burger had two more years of control left, yet the Bozo White Sox sent him to Miami even though he had hit more than 30 HR at the time.
nrd1138
The Bozo that pulled the trigger on that Burger trade (Williams) is no longer with the org (thank God).
tgallagher
Jake Burger is hitting .228 with one homer since 5/1. Jake Eder is pitching well in AA.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Which with Jake’s limited range on D limits his ceiling considerably. Great guy, laudable story of perseverance, just not someone you need to get upset about losing, unless you’re Mister crankypants
Dogbone
Exactly Aiden. Crochet has already exceeded his highest IP as a professional, I believe. No team acquiring him will be able to ride him like a donkey. The acquiring team wouldn’t likely benefit until next year – unless they want to risk another TJ.
This rumor makes no sense. I expect more from Rosenthal.
Aside from that, does SD even have much left in their system to offer.
Aiden Awe
Not sure what farm system rank the Padres are. Wsox have a good farm system even if they don’t trade Crochet or Robert.
Simm
The padres have plenty left in their system. Still have 4 top 100 prospect alone.
If the padres have interest and I’m sure they do my guess is they would plan on pitching him through the season. They aren’t going to trade for a guy and shelf him during the most important part of the season. Perhaps they skip a start of his here and there but they would be pitching him through the season.
99socalfrc
Why does this rumor not make any sense?
The White Sox are awful, the Padres are trying to make the playoffs with very little CBT space.
Darvish and Musrgrove are ping ponging the IL and the Padres have no lefty starters to speak of.
This rumor makes perfect sense.
Dogbone
To 99: I feel it’s not likely, because the White Sox will want a haul for Crochet – and I truely don’t think Crochet can pitch at a high level over another half season – with the number of innings he has already thrown so far, this season.
99socalfrc
The Sox may want a haul for him, but they won’t get anything close than what they got for Cease. Crochet is going to be due a big raise next year and potentially in 2026, do the Sox want to pay that? And if they do, they risk injury or regression from his current form.
Given all the pitching injuries the Sox would probably be smart to move him, there will be plenty of buyers.
Blackpink in the area
Define haul. I think he certainly has value but he comes with a lot of risk. And as stated he really can’t be counted on for a 2024 postseason push.
avenger65
Getz is too unaware of his surroundings in the baseball world to get anyone of value for Crochet or Robert, who will be out the door of the Titanic once he’s done with his rehab
Aiden Awe
Your absolutely right.
mohoney
If the Padres are willing to do a 1-for-1 with a Crochet-for-Robby Snelling trade, the White Sox should seriously consider it.
For the Padres, Crochet is basically the guy you would hope Snelling would develop into anyway. For the White Sox, Snelling is basically turning back the clock on all that service time Crochet accumulated in the bullpen and after surgery.
Bob Sacamano 310
No. Still have 2 years of control and his stuff is great. “Wsox won’t get much” is wrong
davidk1979
That’s stupid they’re getting a big return back
SCOTTG3
Yes they will.
Shadow Banned
I read Garrett Cole. Instead it’s Garrett Croch.
vtadave
Well since there isn’t a Garrett Cole, that is strange.
Paleobros
Haha got em!
letitbelowenstein
I read Garrett Cooper. Imagine my shock.
avenger65
letitbe(etc): Imagine mine when Darragh writes that Crochet was brought up. Crochet went straight from college to the Sox. The only time he’s been in the minors was when he was coming back from tjs.
pharmor_loverchicagoridge
Funny I thought we were taking about Garrett’s popcorn
hiflew
Seems like a Clevinger type deal. Preller never learns.
Simm
Padres are a win now team. Clevinger was a good target that just blew out his elbow. You never know when that’s going to happen with any pitcher now days.
99socalfrc
As much as I hate Preller I have to agree that the Padres are basically a win now club (and for years to come). Might as well try to make the playoffs as many times as possible before guys like Machado, Bogaerts & Darvish collect the last years of their checks from the old folks home.
Simm
Exactly, right now the padres have a 2-5 year window. After that the contracts and age of their money guys will start to really hurt their chances.
fred-3
Padres window closed when they traded Soto
Zombie Bukowski
Yeah all he has done is brought the Padres to relevancy. Dude is a baller and his mission to win a championship reverberates every time you turn on the TV and see how seats are filled at Petco, every night
Deleted Userrrr
@Zombie Bukowski Rather be boring and make the playoffs every year like the Rays.
ATinz
“Padres are a win now team”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH……deep breath…….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Brew’88
Hopefully Mazur isn’t auditioning for a trade tonight.
They need a LH SP badly, but I’m not sure who they could offer in a trade for Crochet. Any one of Sala, Snelling, Lesko and De Vries would be shockingly foolish. And personally I’d rather they not part with Beshears who’s looking like a breakout power prospect. Perhaps a package that includes 2 or 3 of Pauley, Bergert, Vasquez and one of the young catchers Valenzuela or Gonzalez gets it done?
Simm
I don’t think that will get it done.
Brew’88
If not, hope it doesn’t get done. Crochet is effectively a high end prospect himself, unproven beyond short-term and injury history. Similar to King, only more of an injury history. The innings bump renders him fairly pointless over 2nd half of season, so not fitting into the win now concept. His value would be in 2025-26. We picked up Cease and Arraez without trading one of the top 4 prospects, definitely shouldn’t part with one of them for this guy IMO
Deleted Userrrr
@Brew’88 Calling prospects up to showcase them for trades is how Preller operates. Always has been.
hiflew
Win now? Win what? Second place in the NL West?
Brew88
Hey 2nd place in NL West has been lucrative in the playoffs last two years. Comments above mine spoke of win now concept. They are trying to get into playoffs, no?
wvsteve
Who wouldn’t have a strong interest in him?
Simm
True but the better question is what other team would pay the prospect price. Very few are willing to trade prospects like preller is.
Paleobros
Yep. AJP in win now mode. Saving prospects for SD’s future won’t matter to him if he’s not still there for it.
Simm
Underrated comment. Preller is playing for his job right now. Plus the one thing he does is find more prospects. I’ve been told on here several times the padres have traded away the farm since 2020. Yet incomes cease, Arraez plus even after Merrill graduated they still have 4 top 100 prospects. He could trade them all away and the one thing that I would trust with preller is he will find more.
Devlsh
Very true.
The ability to find quality prospects and the willingness to then trade them is unique in MLB. Most teams struggle to do the former and are therefore reluctant to do the latter.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Underrated comment- do comments have ops and war, or make that car (comments above replacement level?)
Simm
They do in my eyes
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
AJP would be Mike Elias if he didn’t trade the prospects
I could see AJ’s time with the Padres end soon, maybe he tries to go out with a bang just like Anthopoulos with the blue jays
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Watch..AJ’s gonna get Robert included too..
Ya heard it here first..
Simm
Only way to even consider that is if Xander is done for the year. Plus he would have to trade nearly the entire farm. I don’t see that happening
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Disagree Simm. Could totally see AJ doing something like Crochet, Robert, and cash for something like de Vries, Cronenworth, Morejon, and Vasquez/Waldron.
Simm
The Sox wouldn’t want cronenworth. They would want a hell of a lot more than that for crochet the Roberts. That doesn’t even get you Roberts by himself.
Longtimecoming
Ron, I’m sure AJ is about to put that package together for this guy. Waldron and Vazquez are both coming around so why trade 1 of them (and the others) for a similar guy with 69 innings?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Who’s Roberts? Dave Roberts? Robin Roberts? Redford, Deniro, and Goulet in a tub?
Brew’88
The later part of your comment was underrated Theo, so I just rated it
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Longtime: Because Crochet is better than both now, and also has a higher ceiling. Plus, you know AJ’s affinity for shiny objects..and I just can’t see him doing another deal with the Sox without trying to get their two shiniest.
Longtimecoming
Ron, ceilings based on small sample size are worthy of skepticism. It may be true based on projections but it’s baseball and projections have a way of not turning out as projected.
Check out Waldron’s last 5 starts before you pigeonhole him as not being as good as Crochet “right now”.
Vásquez is coming around too but not arguing that he is doing better. Just giving him his small sample size credit for improving.
thefaithfulfriar
If that’s what you can “totally see” you need to open your eyes. You’re hallucinating
Dumpster Divin Theo
Nice
mlb fan
“Heard it here first”…I’ve easily been among Prellar’s harshest critics; but I do have to say the guy has ice water in his veins and knows how to get deals done. The Pads seemingly always have attractive assets to flip, so someone(likely Prellar)in S.D sure knows how to draft and sign players.
Dogbone
. . . Or over hype them.
DeepDownSouth
LMAO
HiredGun23
The draft is coming up. He’ll be able to replenish the system to a degree. The truth is, ya can’t keep ’em all. I do think there’ll be more Padres rumors re: pitching. I am truly concerned about Darv’s and Java Joe’s wings…
Brew’88
Darvish’s arm seems okay, but not Joe’s
OldSaltUSN
The Pads pretty much need another starter, and a backend reliever. For reasons of age, or injury, or inconsistency, the guys they have now for that role are unreliable. Neither Darvish or Musgrove would be a injury concern for me this year, if they hadn’t already had injury issues last year. It’s more of the same, and a disturbing trend. So, their actual, reliable #1-#3 starting pitchers are Cease, King, and Waldron. Their #4-#5 starters are .. hmmm…. search the yellow pages, ’cause the guys in AA and AAA don’t look ready either.
Matsui may or may not become the arm he was to his teams in Japan. Who is the reliable set up arm? Matsui, W. Peralta, De Los Santos? Morejon? Brito or Kolek (don’t laugh)? Any one of those guys COULD be that shutdown arm, and have been, but Shildt can’t trust them in the role to lock down already won games.
We don’t even need to discuss the position players? Enough questions exist there, but without the pitching, it’s an academic argument. So, yeah, “AJP is trying to lock down an additional starter? Yea!! Oh, it’s a guy half way through is innings limit, who has recent injury history? And they want Salas or De Vrias?! Uhh.. yeah, pass.” Crochet isn’t the guy they need for a starter. They don’t even need a TOR #1 or #2 star. They need a guy who can reliably show up every 5 days, and who is good enough to push Crease to #1, and let King settle into a solid #3. They need a shut down set up man.
If I know all of this, then AJP (and his staff) knows this, and I doubt that he’ll give the W. Sox what they’d demand for Crochet.
Brew88
Estrada has become the shut down set up guy for Suarez. But yes they need another SP, preferably a LH. The price/risk for Crochet might be too much. If anything, this rumor confirms my fear that Musgrove isn’t coming back soon.
baines03
Other than Trea Turner 10 years ago, what Padres prospect has ever panned out that was traded? Emanuel Classe? If anything, Padres prospects are constantly overrated and Preller seems to turn them into something useful.
sorengo99
*laughs in CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, and James Wood*
Zombie Bukowski
CJ has a had a good start but his AVG is now around .250. He has definitely cooled off.
Yeah Gore who gave up 8 runs last night and rarely goes past the 5th inning.
Havent checked on Wood. He still striking out 150+ times in AA?
DeepDownSouth
Padres fans were raving about CJ, Gore & Wood b4 they were traded & now they think they all are nothing. Sad thing is they lost those 3 AND SOTO for zero World Series. Desperation makes for wild crazy trade thoughts for Padres & their fans. LOL. Why don’t they keep their “Superstar Prospects.”” just to see how GREAT they all are? OOPS they mostly all gone in trades.
GonyTwynn
CJ Abrams and Mac Gore are having great years. Naylor is having a nice year as well. Kluber won a Cy Young way back when.
Longtimecoming
I pull back on “great” for Gore – pretty good, I’d allow. However in context of his prospect status being the next Clayton Kershaw, I’d say he is underperforming as a whole. A solid 3 starter but not “great”.
CJ – honestly, for both of these guys it’s still too early to annoint them as to what they may or may not ultimately become.
James Wood – he has t even had an at bat at mlb. Let’s wait before we give him Jackson Holiday status. We see how they has played out – yes, I’ll say it, so far.
Brew’88
Gore’s WHIP and BA against not so good, in fact, bad, Career 4.25 ERA. Meh.
And until Abrams can get his OBP over 3.0 and play better defense, I’m not calling him anything but average at best.
Longtimecoming
Excited to see Mazur tonight. A month earlier than I had thought we might start seeing prospects filter into the rotation going back to my ST thoughts but, let’s get an idea of what they got. Then get Joe and Yu back and send back down with a desire to get back!
Brew88
Hope he does well LT, getting the Angels lineup is good fortune. Last two losses were tough, they need this one and tomorrow!
trackops
Max fried has entered the chat
Simm
Think you are very wrong.
Gore, Abrams, woods, Munoz, Clase, bednar, Naylor. Plus there are like several other guys that are top 100 guys in people’s system right now.
If anything the knock on preller is he has given up way more than he has gotten back. You minus the tatis deal and is in the negative side of value for these trades.
Do better research.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Andres Muñoz is a filthy closer. Matt Brash was an awesome set-up man till he went down with TJ. Ty France has been serviceable.
Longtimecoming
Please note Munoz was on long term injury and also, had serious control issues.
France – downward trend EVERY year and still falling.
Brash – well, if he ain’t pitching it doesn’t matter that he was traded.
Blackpink in the area
Besides the names already mentioned Max Fried. He’s pretty good.
Brew88
No other GM is as scrutinized
DeepDownSouth
Try saying GETZ
Longtimecoming
Yep and look at how many years after he was traded before he became the Max Fried that makes you add him to the list. I think he was injured even when traded.
Blackpink in the area
Stop getting so defensive. The Padres have done a lot of good things and have also done a lot of bad things. Just be fair ajf honest that’s all anyone can ask.
Fried is one of the best pitchers in baseball. Turner was an absolute stud. The original comment said there haven’t been many good players traded away and that’s not true. Most teams have done similar things. It’s not unusual nobody is picking on the Padres.
ChicagoWhiteSox59!
Jisso is my bias.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah she’s nice. Truly I like all of them I would have a hard time picking a favorite.
Longtimecoming
Max was traded in 2014 and it wasn’t until 2020 short season that he came to be very good.
Blackpink in the area
That’s because he was traded shortly after being drafted as a high schooler. He didn’t pitch a full season until 2019. This year is his last year of team control he was not given an extension of any kind. If the Padres had promoted him at the same time the Braves did they would still have him as of today right now. He has a career ERA of 3.02 and career FIP of 3.29.
You Padres fans can like each other’s comments all you want the truth is the truth.
Brew88
Wasn’t being defensive, just stating that he’s highly scrutinized, that’s my observation anyway. Read more into it if you must.
Longtimecoming
Black – just stating facts to the situation. Of course there are more facts such as the benefits they received from players acquired, then traded.
I’m just not a fan of people only looking at 10% of an equation and acting like that is all there is to make their point while dancing around the rest of the facts.
So, if you are one of those guys they finds your truth while refusing to accept the remainder of the facts for the equation, enjoy.
I didn’t say anything untruthful that can’t be easily verified by the stats.
As for the point that he would still be there – well, let’s talk about the other 500 guys for the other 29 times that we can say the same about!
Why stress this toward the Padres?
You can see this in my posts historically about trades and “winning” or “losing” a trade.
Blackpink in the area
The comment and the post is about the Padres. I am a Cardinals fan they traded away 2 future aces in Gallen and Alcantara for Ozuna a few years back. That was a terrible trade I would never say otherwise. Just be fair. You quoted WAR with Naylor then ignored it with Fried that’s kinda silly. All teams make bad trades nobody is saying otherwise.
Ma4170
There were a lot that havent worked out, but others mentioned some that have.
Simm
Can say that about any teams prospects
Ma4170
I think what may stick in some people’s minds is the wave from several years ago that was pretty publicized, but failed to deliver on expectations. Gore, Urias, Mejia, Patino, Morejon, Paddack… at least Gore and Morejon are finally not awful, but definitely underwhelming compared to expectations. But some guys just take a little longer to develop. And obviously Tatis has been very good and Naylor has turned into a good player.
rapidrobert19
Josh Naylor is pretty good.
Longtimecoming
JN was a fan favorite for sure and I’d take him as DH. That said, 5.6 WAR in what amounts to a little over 5 years of service has to be considered nothing to lose sleep over having traded away.
If he stays healthy and need it up for 2024, he may very well have a solid 4+ season but it’s taken awhile to get there.
Blackpink in the area
So you looked up Taylor’s WAR and use it as a reason why the Padres didn’t lose much but you completely ignored it with Fried?
22.1 WAR. One of the best pitchers in baseball.
sorengo99
O’s make too much sense here. They need and can afford to run him as a #4 thru swingman this year, then build him up to a #2/3 next year. They have the prospect depth to do it without missing a beat and he suits Elias’s fetish for years of cheap control (Burnes being the exception due to a clear ace need).
Dogbone
I think you could be right about the O’s. They really should and could put a nice offer together.
The Cubs should try too, maybe see if Alcantara, Madrigal and Mervis gets the Sox attention. Maybe also include someone like Brennan Davis.
Blackpink in the area
White Sox could use outfield help the Orioles certainly have that to trade.
Simm
While all this is true the O’s haven’t really shown they will trade a haul for anybody. Until they do I expect them to be in on rentals that will cost a lot less.
sorengo99
He doesn’t take a haul given innings limit and history. Surplus value-wise, I’m willing to bet that if he moves, it’s only for marginally more than the Burnes deal. Ortiz was a backend Top 100 guy, so figure a Norby + Horvath/Fabian/Tavera type. Maybe two of the latter.
All of which is why I ultimately don’t believe the Sox will deal him unless they decide to go full tank.
(sorry for previous reply, posted to wrong comment and deleted)
sultan of swat
I agree. I guess the next questions are who do you trade to make the deal? And what’s too much and you have to just walk away?
Blackpink in the area
Beavers or Bradfield as a headliner of a deal I think makes sense. The Orioles don’t need both of those guys and the White Sox could use either of them. Maybe throw in that corner infielder the Orioles have who was a high pick but hasn’t played well Horvath I think is his name.
ChicagoWhiteSox59!
I think Rose is my bias.
Blackpink in the area
I looked it up Wagner not Horvath is who I meant although they seem fairly similar.
AE86
Burnes was also didn’t cost that much to obtain because he’s on the last year of his contract and cost $15mil this season. They gave up RP DL Hall and INF Joey Ortiz who was never going to start in Baltimore. So far, Ortiz is off to a great start, but Hall isn’t pitching so well. Burnes has been lights out for the O’s. Seems like both teams are making out pretty well.
drewm
Padres carousel continues to spin like the circus it is
Acoss1331
I say trade him. He has value right now, and White Sox are in need of prospects right now.
Aiden Awe
They already have a good farm system wo trading Crochet and Robert.
Dumpster Divin Theo
True that, their staff at Birmingham is stacked. But they’d be smart to field offers and move from a middle of the pack farm system to a top 5 or 10.
DeepDownSouth
Dude, Crochet is almost the same age as most “Prospects” lol
DeepDownSouth
Crochet is only 24 dude.
Fred Lingenfelser
Padres need to build chemistry. A part of me thinks they make too many moves to allow that to really develop.
Butter Biscuits
AJ in panic mode with all the pitching injuries
Atlanta Jack
We need to have a stupid box so when a Padres fan makes a comment we can check the stupid box..
Simm
I’d be checking yours right now.
Dumpster Divin Theo
You guys both win. Cage fight. Now.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Fight! Fight! Fight! (since 50% of sports fans bet now who wants to bet on who wins)
Yankee Clipper
I’m gonna go out in a limb and say you can count Ohtani, Ippei, and Marcano in on those bets.
Gwynning
Limb, Clip? That’s like a giant ****ing branch! Cheers amigo
Dumpster Divin Theo
While I like Atlanta Jacks right upper cut, don’t sleep on Simm. Always capable of playing the Simm card.
DeepDownSouth
You have to line up the stupid comments box 20 deep
Senzapaura305
Padres should trade for Former KBO MVP Erick Fedde, imagine the media play there with him and Kim Ha-Seong.
Dumpster Divin Theo
And Chris Flexen too they could Field a Kpop group.
whitesoxfan5207
Sox need to trade every single player that has any value
lesterdnightfly
And the married ones too.
Brew88
As long as they’re engaged to the team concept
3 finger split
If AJ Preller is trying to save his job then trading Salas or DeVries is a great way to get fired
Trading for a guy that already has had arm surgery is a huge red flag and unless this guy was the next coming of Cy Young himself this whole idea is just click bait
Simm
I mean that would all depend on if they won. Preller at this point will only be judged by wins and losses. Right now he needs more wins.
Blackpink in the area
Looking at the Padres system it’s not looking that great. Their top 3 prospects are all playing poorly in 2024. After that it’s a lot of question marks.
straightuphonestguy
Lesko is disappointing, but I’m not going to scout the statline on a 17 year old in A and an 18 year old catcher in A+. I can’t see the Padres trading either of those two, especially when their stock is relatively down to preseason rankings.
I agree overall though, the system is not performing well at the moment. We’ll see how Mazur does today; I think the AAA environment may be doing the heavy lifting on the ERA and HRs. I get the Padres don’t wanna wait too long on pitching reinforcements, but a vet on an expiring contract would make a lot more sense for this current team.
Longtimecoming
Straight – I agree with that last part. As prospects go, Snelling, Lesko, Mazur, Bergert and a few lower rated prospects are coming to ST in 2025 with legitimate shots at making a roster if they earn it.
Vásquez, Brito, Waldron and the like are a little more “seasoned” prospects all in the mix.
Cease, Musgrove, King and Darvish all under contract – and like all SP in MLB, theoretically, healthy makes it not a realistic trade for a guy controlled guy with high prospect cost.
Now, at any point where Joe gets really bad news affecting his 25 season, maybe it comes into play.
Yu is likely to return soon and well, if he pitches like he did the last return, he is still a strong 3 in a rotation even getting older. Next year, he is a 4 if King keeps developing and Joe is healthy?
Let’s get a 35-40 HR 1b instead!
straightuphonestguy
I’m not too worried about the offense or even the rotation (yet). Bullpen needs at least two more dependable low-leverage arms. Shildt is leaning too much into the matchups with Matsui and Peralta for my liking.
Brew88
It’s concerning though that only one hitter in that offense is likely to reach 20 HRs for the year.
Longtimecoming
Brew, projections being a useful tool yet, I just can’t imagine that Tatis and Manny and possibly Jake don’t eclipse 20 by end of year.
X won’t likely due to extended time out and Kim doesn’t appear to have his 2023 power stroke going so, maybe only the 2 but I just can’t see those 2 not being in the 30 avg between them by 10/1.
Maybe they trade for Alonso in a few weeks!
Brew88
Tatis will hit well over 20. Crone’s quick start was nice but odds are he won’t exceed 20. Manny? On pace for 15 HRs and 60 DPs. Even he admits he’s not lifting the ball on barrel
Brew88
Manny looks fat and injury prone
Longtimecoming
Brew, that is why I can’t buy into projections based on 1/3 of season too much.
Cro projects based on 1/3 season at 20+ but still isn’t likely to get there and his hot start is discounted (maybe fairly so).
Manny while having a s low start due to a known elbow injury lingering, isn’t on pace to hit 20 and even with all of his history and the expectations that elbow is almost 100%, can’t be given the benefit of the doubt because his projections are only 15.
If projections based on 1/3 season performance are the standard then they should apply equally or not at all is all I’m trying to say here.
Brew88
I didn’t mean to come across as making a statistical comment, just a general statement about the lineups lack of power. I’d be surprised if Manny doesn’t reach 20, but it might happen. I’d be more surprised if someone else in that lineup reaches 20.
Longtimecoming
Yeah I wouldn’t bet on a third unless maybe Campy finds his power stroke or maybe Cro hits another hot streak to squeak in.
I just noticed that Manny, Corey Seagrr and Kenta Maeda all just left their respective games due to injury!
What a year for injuries.
Zombie Bukowski
And they’re all playing at highly advanced levels for their age. You lack context, as usual.
Longtimecoming
So, I’m ok with pointing out that Vazquez and Waldron have less than 105 innings as an intention to show that they haven’t proven themselves reliable rotation pieces (yet recent results are trending they they may be).
What I can grasp is how at 69 1/3 innings of 3.5 ERA at the same time makes this guy an “ace on their hands”.
I don’t care which argument you favor but you can’t have it both ways.
Simm
It’s stuff, crochet has better stuff than either of those guys. Though waldrons unique knuckle has made him a possible very good starter. His last 5 starts he has an era under 2.
Vasquez looks like a project compared to crochet. I get it’s a small sample size for both but the upside from crochet is far greater.
sorengo99
Still a ton of reliever risk on a dude who’s all FB/cutter. Slightly improved changeup as a putaway is the only thing keeping Crochet out of the pen even now, methinks.
DeepDownSouth
So funny I’d say
HalosHeavenJJ
Tyler Anderson just beat the Pads last night and could walk into SD’s club house tonight.
Let’s make a deal.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Next Chris Sale???
SalaryCapMyth
So he’ll get traded to the Braves and have an outstanding performance with them? Yes please. =D
AE86
Nobody seems to have much interest in Johnny Knitting or Kelly Sewing.
sdpadsfan11
Padres would hand cuff themselves if they made this trade. The Padres need two starting pitchers, bullpen help, and a possible upgrade in the forth outfield spot and catcher.
Simm
Think Yu will be back so they really only need one starter. Could use another mid or better reliever but they don’t cost a ton. 4th outfielders aren’t costly either.
What they do need is a catcher. Campy hasn’t fell off a cliff.
Dumpster Divin Theo
No thank yu!
Brew88
One of the Pads’ biggest needs continues to be a high Slg% guy.
OldSaltUSN
You mean the anti-Petco? Hunter Renfroe is waiting for your call, lol.
Brew88
Yikes! Yeah not likely to be a need solved this season.
Gwynning
Polar Bear is out there, just swimming around Citi Wok on an expiring deal…
Brew88
Remember when he and Paddy crossed wires? Ah, those were(nt) the days
Gwynning
“I’m going to be Rookie of the Year…”
“No, I am!”
The whole exchange gave off serious kindergarten vibes.
Brew88
I’m guessing that on occasion Pete thinks back to that clown and has a little laugh.
Atlanta Jack
Dogbone, 3 cub flubs for the number 2 highest strikeout pitcher in baseball. You sir get a check in the stupid box.
Dumpster Divin Theo
AI troll since 1977
jhomeslice
He is one of the few users on here I’ve actually blocked. I don’t even see his idiotic nonsense anymore.
Riga-Tony
25 year old power lefty leading the league in SO’s, already had and healed from Tommy John, on a team friendly contract through 2026. Yea, can’t imagine they’d get much for him…
saluelthpops
Six would be smart to unload this guy now. His stuff is phenomenal, but his value will never be higher than it is now. He has reached his ceiling. Sell high.
DeepDownSouth
You sure he’s reached his ceiling? You must be a Padres fan.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Getz won’t do this deal unless Ethan salas is in it
DeepDownSouth
Why do that deal?
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
That’s my point that’s why I don’t see the padres and crochet
DeepDownSouth
Terrible deal for Sox in pretty much any situation. Why trade a 24 (who’s showing his upside) for another 22-24 year old that’s has zero track record. Crochet is a stud they better keep him.
orange2001
Agreed. The White Sox would be wiser to wait another year or two as Crochet continues to develop into an established frontline pitcher and will receive more in return then.
Aiden Awe
They could extend him after the 2025 season.
Old York
I’ve been on the Garrett Crochet bandwagon since spring. Guy looks good and his under the hood numbers are also good. Hope he can get out of the Chicago dumpster fire and pitch for a contender.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
The Queen of Hearts said, “Do you play, Crochet?”
Tony P
Before he hits his innings limit, trade for him now…team gets 10-12 more starts before he hits his limit…don’t wait
nrd1138
I get the Sox are rebuilding, but getting rid of Crochet or Robert at this point still makes little sense. They are two of the guys that still get any fans to show up and quite frankly the Sox will never get enough in the trade to justify moving either at this time. I guess if The Sox really go through a long term rebuild then yeah, they need to go, but I think you build around Crochet and Robert, unlike the last rebuild where everyone was gone (and the Sox really did not get much back in those trades then).
larkraxm
I get it nrd. The issue is that by the time the team is ready to contend, those two players will be FA or on the decline. The idea is that by moving them for a haul of prospects will allow those players to arrive at the same time, and then you can add some FAs to compliment the young core. See the Baltimore Orioles. The problem is that it is hard to pick the right prospects in trades and if you get it wrong you are just bad for a long tme.
Moneyballer
The Orioles are a bad example to throw out there. They did not get their young core through trading, they got their guys by enduring almost a decade of last place seasons allowing them to pick at the top of many consecutive drafts.
MacGromit
picking high and hitting on your picks is not an easy thing to do. there is a big difference between picking a replacement level 1st rounder and picking an All Star. esp past the 1st round. but a whole lot of 1st rounders don’t make it to the Show either. development is pretty key too. add to that having to compete in the AL East, there are limited options for a team with as crappy an owner as John Angelos was.
larkraxm
I agree that the Orioles drafted well, but there was also a moment when they traded guys like Manny Machado to get there as well. Dean Kremer is the only prospect the Orioles got back that is still with the team, but he’s in their rotation when healthy. The White Sox should have plenty of high draft picks in the next four years, but they have to draft impact guys like Henderson and Rustchman to be contenders again.
Aiden Awe
I have to agree with nrd here. 2024 was always a lost season for the Sox anyways. I hope the Sox upgrade offense and a few bullpen arms this offseason. If they do decide to trade Robert and Crochet then they are dead in the water til 2027.
Moneyballer
When you’re last in your division and nearly last in all of baseball, every player has a price. Restocking the cupboard on cheap bluechip talent that can produce together is more attractive than paying big bucks to keep superstar talent on a team going nowhere. Robert is great but getting a lions haul for him has to be an option at this point.
nrd1138
But thats just it, they will never get the ‘haul’ for Robert with his years of control and low salary. They are not paying him much now and there is always a team desperate enough to give a load of prospects for the guy regardless of how much time is left on his contract. I just do not see Robert getting Getz the haul he should get (partly because the jury is still out on Getz and Im not sure he should be trusted with a big move.. probably will move him for pitching which the Sox do not need).
I say hope team gets to a new owner (which is very possible in the next 1-2 years and hope the new owner gets a competent GM who either gets the world for both Crochet and Robert, or decides to pay and build around both.
SODOMOJO
AJ Preller: COCAINE!!!
Gwynning
“It’s a helluva drug…” – Rick James
Moneyballer
“I prefer it to mary todd’s cooking” – Abraham Lincoln
Gwynning
“I need Mary’s cookin’ like I need another hole in the head…” – Honest Abe
I Believe We Can Win
Pass on the cost to acquire him
Marco Gonzalez seems like a better choice. Maybe Aroldis Chapman and Marco Gonzalez deal if Bucs wind up selling.
SalaryCapMyth
Marco was recently transfered to the 60 day DL with a forearm strain with a team option for 25. I don’t think any teams are going to look at him to much for a deadline trade.
Moneyballer
How do the Padres keep having attractive prospects to trade?! They have dealt nearly everyone in their farm system of note and yet they somehow still have more to trade! It’s astonishing to me.
Simm
Between drafting well and signing the top international guy the last two years has been the key. The one thing preller has been very good at is finding young talent.
Moneyballer
Finding young talent….and then trading it for mlb help.
drasco036
The Padres may not be able to develop talent but they certainly can recognize it.
The key for opposing GMs is to trade for their prospects before the Padres ruin their development and stall out.
SalaryCapMyth
The Padres farm has been incredible since 2017 when they had the second best farm. It’s been going on like this for the better part of a decade. That really does highlight even more what drasco said.
Moneyballer
And yet they haven’t won anything in that time. Not one thing.
DeepDownSouth
Well to be honest the Padres fans are resting their World Serirs hope on 3-4 17-18 yo prospects.. Loll
Atlanta Jack
Has there ever been a MLB owner who could care less about what the fans think than the Chairman himself. Why is Mr Grifol a major league manager?
pharmor_loverchicagoridge
Rumor on the streets in Bridgeport Chicago is that Ozzie is coming back to manage the whitesox. You heard it here first baseball fans
lesterdnightfly
“Crochet is in a very unique situation, which makes him less straightforward than other players the Sox have traded.”
And teachers of English, or any people who desire good writing, continue to cringe….
SalaryCapMyth
I can see why this bothers you with all the money you put into MLBTR
orange2001
I’d be surprised if the ChiSox actually trade Crochet.
runningwithnailclippers
Reds trade Lowder (potential 1 or 2), Collier (young and has added launch angle this year), Arroyo, Dunn and Duno for Robert and Crochet.? I would assume this is the sort of package that would be needed for those guys.
DiegoSanDiego
Pads trade Ethan Salas, Robby Snelling, Dylan Lesko, Graham Pauley, and Homer Bush to the White Sox for Garrett Crochet, Luis Robert Jr, and Korey Lee. Then Pads trade Luis Campusano to the Marlins for Tanner Scott, Troy Johnston, and cash.
pharmor_loverchicagoridge
What ever weed you are smoking it must have effected the little brain cells you have
pharmor_loverchicagoridge
Little boy blue…. He needed the money… bhahahahaha
Niekro floater
Could trade for em now, hide em in bullpen for couple months to keep inns down then slowly ramp em back up cpl inns each time as opener w/piggyback P. Dodgers used to hide Urias n Maeda for parts of season in bullpen to keep em fresh for end of season push. Of course there’s his injury history n he will have some type of inns limit.
2020vision
If Preller never made a trade after dealing Shields for Tatis, the Padres would be loaded. Sometimes, the best trade is the trade not made.
LFGSD619
Rodney for Paddack, Cashner for Naylor, Patiño and others for Snell and Renfroe for Cronenworth were good trades. But he’s probably traded away more WAR (not to mention cheaper and further from FA) than he’s brought in.
Hawkeye75
Crochet isn’t the best around, but he has 1/3 of the White Sox’s wins with 5 to himself out of the 15 for the team.
Deleted Userrrr
Rather just sign Bauer tbh
SportsFan0000
Unless the Padres can “steal” Crochet, then “hard pass on that proposed deal.
If Preller had just held his cards/players he had on the farm and played them, then the Padres lineup and pitching staff would
rival the Orioles for great, young, cost controlled star talent
(and a much lower payroll).
Preller is currently close to “walking the plank”
New controlling owner in San Diego has closed the store on reckless, overpriced contracts.
Preller is now, very likely, on a very “short leash” and cannot trade the Padres “top prospects” without express approval from the New Padres controlling Owner(or sign any more ridiculous free agent contracts like the Xander Bogaerts deal.
Would venture to guess that the top 5 Padres prospects are “off limits” in any future trades by AJ Preller: C Salas, Snelling, Lesko Devries, Mazur.
The only way any team would get 1 or more players on that list would be by express permission from the New Padres controlling Owner.
Crochet does not move the needle enough to give up any of those players and save Preller’s job.
Now if Preller happened to be talking to Scott Harris and if Harris was willing to listen on LHSP Tarik Skubal (lock for All Star Team/top 5 for ’24 AL Cy Young Award) who looks like a left handed version of Justin Verlander, and is cost controlled for 2 1/2 years, Skubal that would
be a stud starter that maybe worth giving up top prospects and top young players for.
But, I doubt the Tigers are biting on a deal at this point.
Maybe, if they fall further out of the pennant race, it could be a possibility.
mlb.com/news/tarik-skubal-hits-101-7-in-tigers-blo…
SportsFan0000
I was calling for Jackson Merrill to be promoted and to play CF and LF before Preller made it happen.
Preller only made it happen because the New Padres Controlling Owner finally put the brakes on Preller’s giving out so many big contracts.
If the Padres and Preller are smart, then they would promote LHSP Robbie Snelling to get a good look at him as a #5 starter against major league hitters. Snelling’s upside is huge.
Other young pitchers who were fast tracked to the majors
were able to “break through” and contribute early in their careers.
Snelling looks like that kind of pitcher.
Better to see what you have 1st then to spend too much of your future and see what you could have had when your top, young prospects “break out” in another city wearing another team’s uniform.