What’s a trade deadline without a convoluted three-team swap? The Cardinals, White Sox and Dodgers have announced a three-team, eight-player deal (possibly including up to 10 players) that breaks down as follows:
- Cardinals receive: right-hander Erick Fedde, outfielder Tommy Pham (both from White Sox), PTBNL or cash (from Dodgers), cash (from White Sox)
- Dodgers receive: right-hander Michael Kopech (from White Sox), infielder/outfielder Tommy Edman (from Cardinals), right-hander Oliver Gonzalez (from Cardinals)
- White Sox receive: infielder/outfielder Miguel Vargas, minor league infielder Alexander Albertus, minor league infielder Jeral Perez, PTBNL or cash (all from Dodgers)
It’s a massive exchange of veteran names that’ll have significant postseason implications for a pair of National League contenders. The Cardinals, in need of rotation help and a right-handed bat, checked two boxes with today’s swap, while the Dodgers added some needed positional versatility to help cover multiple weak spots in the lineup and a hard-throwing reliever with an extra season of club control.
Starting with the Cardinals, they’ll bolster their starting staff not just this season but also in 2025. Fedde, a former first-round pick and top prospect with the Nationals, flamed out in five seasons here in MLB before heading to the KBO’s NC Dinos for one year. He spent the 2023 season in South Korea, added a splitter and changed the shape of his breaking ball, and dominated KBO opponents en route to an MVP Award. He returned to MLB on a two-year, $15MM deal with the White Sox and has immediately established himself as a new and highly improved pitcher.
In 121 2/3 innings for the ChiSox, Fedde has pitched to a sharp 3.11 ERA. His 21.5% strikeout rate is shy of league-average by one percentage point, but his 6.8% walk rate is strong and his 44.7% grounder rate is also a bit better than average. He’s avoided hard contact (88.1 mph average exit velocity, 36% hard-hit rate) and kept opponents off balance with a four-pitch mix including a cutter, sinker, slider and split-changeup.
Fedde solidifies the back of a veteran Cardinals rotation that has been without lefty Steven Matz (back strain) since late April. The Cards have been relying on righty Andre Pallante to help patch things over, and while he’s been a godsend in that role (3.42 ERA in nine starts), the 25-year-old is also already just four innings shy of his 2023 total and can be a vital piece in the bullpen as well.
The addition of Fedde will prove vital for a Cardinals club that only had three starters signed through the 2025 season as well. Sonny Gray is being paid $25MM annually from 2024-26, while Miles Mikolas is owed $20MM next year. Matz will be in the fourth and final season of his own $44MM contract next year, but his ongoing health troubles make it tough to bank on him. The Cardinals hold club options over veterans Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson, but neither is a lock to be picked up. Fedde, owed $7.5MM this year and next, gives the Cardinals some long-term stability at a highly affordable rate.
In addition to their desired rotation upgrade, the Cards will get the right-handed bat they’ve been seeking. It’ll come in the form of a reunion with Pham, whom they originally selected in the 16th round of the 2006 draft. Pham made his big league debut with the 2014 Cardinals and spent the next three-plus seasons in St. Louis before being traded to the Rays in a deal that brought Genesis Cabrera and Justin Williams back to the Cardinals.
Pham, now 36, has since played for six additional teams. The Rays traded him Padres after two seasons, and he’s since signed free-agent deals with the Reds, Mets and White Sox — getting traded at the deadline in three consecutive seasons. Pham has remained productive at the plate even as he’s become a year-to-year mercenary in his mid-30s. He slashed .256/.328/.446 between the Mets and D-backs in 2023 and owns a .266/.330/.380 output in 297 plate appearances with the White Sox.
Pham won’t receive everyday at-bats in his return to Busch Stadium, but Pham’s hefty .255/.377/.471 line against lefties will make him a useful part-time player for manager Oli Marmol. He’ll make for a nice platoon partner for glove-first center fielder Michael Siani (with Pham presumably taking over in left field and Lars Nootbaar manning center against southpaws).
In order to open a 40-man roster spot, the Cardinals designated catcher Nick Raposo for assignment. The 26-year-old signed with the Cards as an undrafted free agent after the truncated five-round draft in 2020. He was selected to the MLB roster earlier this summer to help account for some catching injuries, but he didn’t get into a big league game. He’s hitting .193/.251/.349 in Triple-A this season but turned in a more encouraging .241/.321/.386 slash last year between Double-A and Triple-A. The Cards could trade him before tomorrow’s deadline, and if not, he’ll be placed on outright waivers.
That the Cardinals were able to acquire both Fedde and Pham while only surrendering Edman and a 17-year-old they just signed as an international free agent earlier this year is somewhat remarkable. It’s a nice feather in the cap of president of baseball operations John Mozeliak, general manager Mike Girsch and the rest of the St. Louis baseball ops staff. The Cards added two big league contributors to a contending club and did so not only without sacrificing any prospects — but without sacrificing anyone who’s contributed to their second-place team at any point this season.
That’s not to denigrate Edman as a player, of course — far from it. The switch-hitting 29-year-old is as versatile as he is talented when healthy, and he’ll presumably be healthy enough to join the Dodgers in short order. Edman hasn’t played this season due to a longer-than-expected recovery process from offseason wrist surgery and an ankle sprain he suffered while rehabbing that wrist. Edman has played four games with the Cardinals’ Double-A affiliate on a minor league rehab assignment and figures to now continue his rehab work in the Dodgers’ system. He’ll have about two more weeks of rehab window before he needs to be activated, though Los Angeles can certainly do so sooner if they see fit.
Edman has spent four-plus seasons in the big leagues, playing second base, shortstop, third base and all three outfield positions. He rather incredibly grades out as an above-average defender at each of those positions, per Statcast and Defensive Runs Saved alike. That jack-of-all-trades skill set is emblematic of the type of player the Dodgers try to roster as often as possible. Edman, once healthy, will give L.A. an option at shortstop or second base, helping to cover for the loss of Mookie Betts. Once Betts returns, Edman can either play shortstop (with Betts moving to second base), second base (with Betts at short and Miguel Rojas in a utility role) or anywhere in the outfield (with Rojas and Betts handling middle infield duties).
Beyond the defensive wizardry, Edman has proven himself a capable hitter. He’s yet to recreate the terrific .304/.350/.500 line he posted as a Cardinals rookie in 2019, but he’s a career .265/.319/.408 hitter in 2425 plate appearances. He’s not a big home run threat but has hit between 11 and 13 homers in all four of his full big league seasons (plus five homers in the shortened 2020 campaign). He doesn’t walk especially often (6.2%) but also rarely strikes out (16.5%). On top of that, Edman offers 88th percentile sprint speed (per Statcast) and has swiped 106 bags in 123 attempts at the MLB level (86.2%).
Edman signed a two-year, $16.5MM contract in the 2022-23 offseason, buying out his final two seasons of arbitration eligibility. He’s earning $7MM this season and another $9.5MM next year. The Dodgers are a third-time luxury tax offender in the top tier of penalization, so they’ll pay a 110% tax on the average annual value both of Edman’s contract and of Kopech’s one-year deal with the club.
Onto Kopech, the 28-year-old former top prospect gives the Dodgers one of baseball’s hardest-throwing relievers for the remainder of this year and all of 2025. He’ll be arbitration-eligible this winter and owed a raise on this year’s modest $3MM salary.
The White Sox have used Kopech both as a starter and reliever, but lackluster command of his dynamic arsenal has undercut his effectiveness in both roles. He’s been used exclusively out of the ’pen in 2024 and saved nine games while pitching 43 2/3 innings of 4.74 ERA ball. The earned run average isn’t going to draw much fanfare, but Kopech has averaged a blistering 98.5 mph on his four-seamer, fanned 30.9% of his opponents and generated a gaudy 14.1% swinging-strike rate. He’s been plagued by a 12.6% walk rate and 1.65 HR/9, but Kopech has shown flashes of potential as a powerhouse, shutdown reliever.
Kopech is currently in the midst of his best stretch of the season. After getting blown up for four runs back on July 7, he’s rattled off 5 2/3 shutout innings with an 8-to-1 K/BB ratio. The Dodgers, who have a knack for maximizing pitching performances, are surely thrilled to get their hands on a pitcher with Kopech’s blazing heater and hard slider. Whether they can coax the level of performance from him that has long seemed dormant in Kopech’s talented but inconsistent right arm remains an open question, but if they’re able to do so, he’s a high-octane weapon who can take on a leverage role in a bullpen that has seen closer Evan Phillips struggle of late.
Los Angeles will also pick up the 17-year-old Gonzalez, who’s not considered to be among the Cardinals’ top-ranked prospects but did command a relatively notable $400K signing bonus out of Panama just seven months ago. The 6’4″, 200-pound righty has pitched 21 1/3 innings for the Cardinals’ Rookie-level Dominican Summer League affiliate and posted a 4.22 ERA while punching out 28.6% of his opponents against a 7.7% walk rate.
Turning to the rebuilding White Sox’ end of the deal, their return is headlined by Vargas, who’ll presumably step right onto the big league roster. The 24-year-old ranked among the sport’s top 100 prospects heading into the 2023 season but has fallen down the depth chart in Los Angeles after struggling to carry his excellent minor league production over to the majors. Vargas has appeared in 129 big league games and taken 434 plate appearances, but he’s a .201/.294/.364 hitter in that time.
Rough as those numbers are, Vargas has continued to absolutely pummel Triple-A pitching this season. He’s hitting .290/.440/.556 in Oklahoma City and has a career .297/.412/.512 batting line there in 996 plate appearances. He’s played third base, second base, first base and left field in his career, with the bulk of his experience coming at third base and second base. Vargas has regularly been blocked by more veteran, more expensive players at those positions but should get a full run at third base or second base with his new team.
Some Sox fans may bristle at the notion of a former top prospect headlining this deal, rather than a current one, but Vargas still has five seasons of club control remaining and has already gotten his feet wet in the majors. He’s an on-base machine who’s walked at an impressive 11.1% clip even while struggling in the big leagues and has fanned in a below-average 20.7% of his MLB plate appearances. It’s not hard to envision a scenario where he improves on both of those rate stats as he gets more big league experience and begins to solidify himself as a bona fide MLB-caliber hitter.
Joining Vargas in the White Sox’ system will be Albertus and Perez: both 19-year-old infielders who signed with the Dodgers as international free agents in 2022 (Albertus out of Aruba, Perez out of the Dominican Republic). Baseball America ranked both players inside the Dodgers’ top-20 prospects heading into the 2024 season, and both currently reside in that same range on MLB.com’s updated list of the top 30 Dodgers prospects.
Albertus has split the season between the Dodgers’ Rookie-level Arizona Complex League affiliate and Class-A affiliate. He tore through the former at a .342/.479/.459 pace with more walks (18.9%) than strikeouts (14%) and is hitting .229/.317/.329 in 82 plate appearances against more advanced pitching. Baseball America credits him with a plus hit tool and the potential for average power, calling him a bat-first infield prospect who could see regular playing time across multiple positions. MLB.com lauds him for having one of the most disciplined approaches in a deep Dodgers system and calls him a potential regular at second or third.
Perez has spent the entire season in Class-A and carries a hearty .264/.380/.420 batting line with 10 homers in 350 trips to the plate. He’s walked at a huge 13.7% clip against a 22% strikeout rate despite being just over two years younger than the average player in the league. Both BA and MLB.com note that he lacks a true plus tool but is solid across the board. Like Albertus, he draws praise for an advanced approach at the plate that’s well beyond his years. Perez has good contact skills and the ability to play multiple positions.
For a White Sox club that is often characterized by low-OBP, all-or-nothing hitters, the focus on bringing in three infielders with huge on-base ceilings feels like a rather targeted focus. None of the three players are going to jump to immediately land among the top 50 prospects in the game — Vargas isn’t even prospect-eligible anymore — but they all have a relatively similar feel and offer a potential glimpse at the type of hitters that rookie GM Chris Getz would prefer to see populating his roster in future seasons.
KPRC-2’s Ari Alexander reported Sunday night that the Sox, Dodgers and Cards had engaged in some level of discussions on a three-team deal involving Fedde and Edman. Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times reported Monday that a three-team deal was nearing the finish line. Ken Rosenthal and Katie Woo of The Athletic reported that Fedde would go to the Cardinals and Edman to the Dodgers. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale first reported that Vargas, Perez and Albertus were headed to the White Sox. FanSided’s Robert Murray reported that Pham was going to the Cardinals. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that the Cardinals were giving up an low-level minor leaguer.
ChiSox_Fan
So who do the Sox get?!
whosyourmomma
Prospects I assume from Cardinals & Dodgers
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I like this trade for all three teams!
White Sox get Miguel Vargas and two Dodgers top 20 prospects for Fedde, Kopech and Pham. Check!
Cardinals get Fede and Pham for Edman. Check!
Dodgers get Edman and Kopech for Vargas and the two top 20 prospects. Check!
Great deal for all three teams! Might not be great for Gavin Lux though.
Emilia
Seems as though the Cardinals stole this deal. Basically gave up nothing
Suitcase Simpson
lux is one of the hottest hitters in baseball. this move addresses rojas/taylor injuries.
avenger65
Manny: This is not a good trade for Sox fans but Reinsdorf has got to be giddy dumping a $7.5m salary, which is much more than he wants to pay this year and 2025. I’ve said it before, but other GMs know Getz can be taken and this is another example of this. First, it was “Let’s get rid of all the rental players.” Fedde and Kopech are not rentals. Of course realistic Sox fans knew these guys were going. Crochet and Robert are also gone, if not now, then the off-season. Once again, Jerry doesn’t care about building a competitive team. It’s all about paying as little as possible for what has turned into a garbage team. And why not? There’s no one to stop jr, certainly not Manfred.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Avenger
Miguel Vargas is talented. I think White Sox would have been happy to trade Fedde for Vargas straight up.
IronBallsMcGinty
You don’t speak for all Sox fans.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If that is directed for me, I do not speak for ANYONE other than myself. I meant to say that I think White Sox ownership and management would have been happy to trade Fedde straight up for Vargas. I think that is a good deal for both sides. Both palyers are talented and Vargas is cheaper and controlled longer.
So the question is whether the other two prospects are worth Kopech (who was not expiring) and Pham who was expiring.
IronBallsMcGinty
Sorry no, it was at avenger. I’m good with the trade.
Jabronie23
Edman isn’t “nothing,” but his injuries are definitely scary
Dogbone
What does this trade mean for the Colson Montgomery era?
Dogbone
How about ‘next’ to nothing?
Cards seem to be the only team that won, this trade.
cwsOverhaul
Just saw this, but why didn’t WSox get 1 prospect from StL when parting with 3 players?
If there was a true stud prospect I get it, but looks like unpredictable teenagers as far as being relevant in a few years after a maybe okay Vargas.
Surprised they didn’t get a better top piece offer for Fedde in talks whether Milw or elsewhere.
avenger65
Undescended McGinty: I said REALISTIC Sox fans, which apparently you are not.
IronBallsMcGinty
Me? What sort of haul did you “realistically” expect for a year and a half of Fedde? He’s good but not that good. As for other rentals, guys like Brebbia, Soroka, Flexen and DeJong aren’t in high demand for contending teams. GM’s roll the dice all the time on minor league off season signings. Some work out and turn into mid season trade chips, others don’t.
You seemed to have developed a deep resentment for the Sox and it’s apparently consuming you. Kinda sad, bro. It’s just baseball.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yeah what’s the deal Avenger, Pham was a rental and Fedde was found change in the couch. He’s replaceable as the Sox have a burgeoning logjam of starters at B’ham. Bummed to lose Michael but hopefully he wins a title w the Dodgers. He’s thoughtful and brutally earnest, opening up about the mental health challenges of being a top athlete. In exchange, the Sox addressed one of their biggest areas of weakness, lack of OBA contact skills. One guy that helps immediately and 2 high ceiling 19 yr Olds. Hope this means moving on from the two Andrews
Dumpster Divin Theo
Don’t speak, that’s a good prescription for Avenger
Dumpster Divin Theo
Because essentially Edman was really valued by the Dodgers so much so that they fronted all the prospects. I’ll take Dodger prospects any day
Dumpster Divin Theo
Fedde will also be reaching his mid 30s by the time all is said and done and a decision is made to reup him.
Travis’ Wood
Lance lynn
Fisherman 4:19
Hilarious
Bucket Number Six
Some Dodger dogs + Ohtani gonna throw in his dog + Ohtani gonna make Edman his dog.
ckc12537
Some losing bet slips maybe
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Bucket
I don’t relish interpreting your cheesy comment.
Randy 8
You get Vargas from the Dodgers, he’s a good one. Sad the dodgers are letting him go.
dbacksrs
Miguel Vargas.
Dogbone
Sox better be getting a stud from the Cards, Fedde is a good get, for St Louis. Vargas though . . . Better keep him away from some of the underachievers on his new club. I’m surprised Sox couldn’t get more – unless the Cards are kicking in more than I expect.
stan lee the manly
Looks like the Cardinals just gave up Edman for Fedde and Pham. They got some crazy good value out of this.
themed
What a steal for the Cardinals
Astros2017&22Champs
Nightengale says the cards are giving up prospects
Dogbone
If so, Once again, Nightengale is WRONG.
stan lee the manly
Nightengale, like EVERY OTHER TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, is wrong again. There’s a reason the baseball world calls him Boob.
vtadave
well as usual, he’s wrong
damascusj
Cards only gave up edman, rofl HOW
realsox
Yeah, it looks like the Sox got two kid prospects and an underachieving young MLB player in return for three established big leaguers. It looks like the Sox have been had.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Pham is an expiring contract and gets mixed clubhouse reviews, they are lucky to dump him for salary relief.
Fedde for Vargas seems ok to me. Vargas is controlled for longer and has a great bat. The two young top 30 prospects for Kopech also seems ok. Cardinals could have sent Gallegos back to White Sox, but I doubt that the White Sox would have wanted to pay Gallegos.
stan lee the manly
Pham also had a 141 WRC+ against lefties. To pretend like he has no value is a choice.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Stan
Of course Pham has value. But he has a $3MM base salary for time spent in the majors and can earn an additional $1.5MM in performance bonuses. The question is whether his value (ability minus negatives) exceeds the remaining amount owed or merely is equal to the remaining amount owed.
stan lee the manly
He’s 41% above avg against lefties and can play CF and the White Sox sent cash with him. Even without the cash he’s still a massively productive platoon player. It’s not even close?
solaris602
Vargas will excel when played every day. Dodgers gave him shots to stick the past 3 years, but he was still a work in progress.
Daryl Pauley
Nobody sounds good.
NYCityRiddler
St. Louis rejoice, “Strip Club Tommy” is back in town! Ahahaha!
HatlessPete
Riddler, pham can stimulate himself and the local economy! Win win lol
MLB Top 100 Commenter
To quote Bryan Adams, your remark “cuts like a knife”.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Gotta like the East side, East St Louie across the border. 24 hr land of vice
moneedstogo
It is now in the article
Very Barry
Perez and Albertus are both 19 years old. Really young guys which i like. Noah Miller is 21. I have no issue with continuing to stack the farm system with kids. Best currency you can possibly have right now is a stockpile of kids to develop and trade from. The names involved in the deal ain’t sexy, but I am willing to see how they play out.
For Love of the Game
They are nothing more than lottery tickets. But three lottery tickets are better than one.
DeepDownSouth
Geaux White Sox
MadSkillsUniversity
LOL. Good one.
stan lee the manly
I’ll be pretty happy if the Cardinals manage to land Fedde for nothing more than Edman. Would be a huge win.
Travis’ Wood
No shot
stan lee the manly
The Brewers landed William Contreras for way, way less than his actual value. Wonky things happen sometimes when it turns into a 3 way trade.
letsgooakland123
that was because of the a’s obsession with esteury ruiz
LonnieB
3 ways always get 1 clear winner
16
Contreras also was nowhere near the prospect/player he is since Brewers acquired him. Massive credit to them for taking a sub-par defensive catcher with offensive upside and turning him into a stud on both sides of the ball.
stan lee the manly
Seems like it, would be nice for the Cardinals to be that team this time around
Idosteroids
Contreras is still a well below average defensive catcher.
User 401527550
Yes he was. Let’s not downplay how good he was. He was better then Murphy then and obviously better now.
RobblyDobs
Think again…
stan lee the manly
The Cardinals only gave up Edman AND got Pham coming back as well. This was an absolute masterclass by Mo.
Hamburger Sausageface III
You’re out of your mind. Mo is a buffoon and Tommy Edman was worth way more than this. Bet the guy ends up ws mvp for the Dodgers. What has happened to STL fans? Are we just fine with mediocrity now? We got a hard maybe pitcher, a psychopath and probably a first round sweep for one of the greatest athletes ever to play (not saying he’s an all time great, I’m saying Edman was unreal athletically) and a fan favorite at that. This trade is absolute trash.
Cardsfan21
Yeah, if you think Mo didn’t absolutely crush this deal then I would gladly invite you to share what you’re smoking. To get you have to give but we got a LOT more than we gave.
Hamburger Sausageface III
Crush? A gold glover for a guy with a 5 ERA prior to this oasis? It would’ve been a crush if he did it for 3 more years then we got him. Goldy and Nado were great deals. This is a fat maybe.
Cardsfan21
Well it’s a good thing you aren’t our GM if you can’t see what almost everyone else does.
Hamburger Sausageface III
Damn this didn’t age well, eh?
tjg25
lol
marrtho
Someone is having a nice afternoon dream
stan lee the manly
You know the best thing about nice dreams? When you wake up and find out they are real.
horaceallen
Unreal get for the Cardinals. I am a Mets fan, but I have to tip my cap to them on this, brilliant.
MoneyBallJustWorks
likely giving up a lower tier prospect (20-30).
smart by the Dodgers to get involved. they need a util guy and Edman provides that flexibility the Dodgers like.
jbigz12
I’m thinking roby is also included
Blackpink in the area
I think it’s going to cost more than Edman. But if it isn’t much more that would be fine.
Cardinals need help in center. Not sure why Edman is being dealt. But still this deal seems interesting.
stan lee the manly
Pilar is available and shouldn’t cost too much. Would be a pretty good platoon with Siani, I would imagine he would be priority number one after this deal goes through.
Blackpink in the area
That seems reasonable to me Stan. They can have Carlson and hope he bounced back
Daryl Pauley
Ah, somebody who listens.
stan lee the manly
That’s exactly what I would do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Angels were good with a 1 for 1 swap.
cards81
Cardinals need help in CF? Siani has been excellent and is starting to hit…he’s average is right there with Edmans at this point
Blackpink in the area
Siani is an excellent defender but he’s a poor hitter. Even if you want to give Siani a lot of playing time the team could still use help in center. Carlson has been awful he needs to go.
Daryl Pauley
I’m sorry for Carlson. He had promise.
Blackpink in the area
I don’t think Carlson is 100% healthy. The question is will he ever be 100% ever again?
themed
The guy playing center now probably will win the gold glove. How much help do they need?
cah011381
I’m sure the Cardinals are sending some prospects to the White Sox also.
Win Cor
…and Pham apparently is back
Blackpink in the area
Yeah now that we got Pham that might be the outfield help. Carlson I think gets dealt he needs a change of scenery.
cah011381
Yeah he’s gone by tomorrow.
windycity89
Well done. The Cards literally only gave up Edman in this deal lmao
Blackpink in the area
If that’s true I would be shocked Windy. Gotta believe there is more to the deal.
windycity89
I’d be shocked as well, but it sounds like there may be some additional pieces from STL now besides Edman.
Blackpink in the area
As long as it’s nothing crazy I still like this deal for the Cardinals. A starter in AAA makes sense for the White Sox and the Cardinals have quite a few to choose from.
windycity89
And…there’s nothing else from the Cardinals lmao
cah011381
I take back some of the bad things I said about Mo. Just some of them…
spudchukar
Wrong, Stanley!!!!
stan lee the manly
…what exactly am I wrong about? They not only got Fedde, but they also got Pham for just Edman. Cardinals ran away with this trade.
spudchukar
You underestimate Edman!!!
stan lee the manly
I like him as much as every Cardinals fan, but he’s a complete roster redundancy. The continued excellence of Donovan and the emergence of both Winn and Siani had made him completely expendable, this is what smart teams do to get better.
maxmilna
Dumb
njmlins
hoping Dodgers do more
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Ohio
Maybe this year, but Edman would be the more valuable next year when the rotation starts Yoshinobu, Shohei, Clayton, Gavin and multiple number five options among River, Landon, Bobby and Nick.
dodgersdan
You managed to forget Glasnow. 🙂
Glasnow, Ohtani, Yamamoto… then pick two from:
Stone, Miller, Ryan, Wrobleski, Knack, Gonsolin, May… and of course Kershaw if he decides to come back.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dodgers Dan
You are correct of course!!!
Glasnow, Yoshinobu, Shohei, Clayton and Gavin are my preferred five.
Ryan, Knack, Gonsolin, Miller, Frasso, May, Wrobleski are my runners-up.
AL B DAMNED
Sox gets 12 pairs of White Socks!
James Midway
And a washing machine to keep them clean
Kruk it
With holes in the heels
stymeedone
You’ll have nothing and like it!
mattv
There have to be a bunch more moving parts here, right? I wouldn’t think Edman and Fedde have comparable value.
Travis’ Wood
Fedde much more value, edman hasn’t played all season and they both have 1 more year of control
paddyo furnichuh
There’s a bit of recency bias in that comment. Edman has posted above average hitting and passable defense at multiple positions. Fede has been average at best prior to this season.
ArchRivals
I agree with the recency bias, but Edman is about a league average hitter. He has been a plus or plus plus at every defensive position he has played.
spudchukar
Passable??? Owner of Gold Glove!
paddyo furnichuh
Pardon me spud, decent hitter (careeer 720 OPS) and above average fielder might be more accurate
spudchukar
Correct, thanks!
dodgersfan445
Cardinals sold low on edman, could’ve gotten more in the offseason if he has a healthy run in the next few months
Blackpink in the area
Who knows what the price is yet.
rct
“If” he has a healthy run. Maybe he doesn’t. I don’t think they sold low so much as the Dodgers took a little gamble. This could also change if there are more players involved.
Fedde might regress or fade but he’s been great this year. Cards landed one of the best available starters on the market (who has an extremely reasonable contract into next year) and they gave up a guy who hasn’t played an inning this year who only had 2.1 WAR in a full season last year. It’s a solid move.
Blackpink in the area
Let’s wait and see what the final deal is before claiming victory.
Win Cor
No they did not
uvmfiji
They’re going to continue to sell low on their offense. Too many guys with value that needs to be rebuilt and only so much playing time.
Jordan’s cardinals
I loved Tommy bro such a great infielder but he lacks a lot of other things so land Erick Fedde is a huge W, but ngl I wish we could pick up Nathan Ronaldo or max scherzer for like Dylan Carlson and maybe 2 prospects would be a good deal if they could add David Robertson
Travis’ Wood
Why would the rangers want Carlson?
Jordan’s cardinals
Idk I’m just throwing it out there
Liberalsteve
Do you guys think the White Sox will win another game? Seriously. Just look at their schedule
Bucket Number Six
Once they trade Crochet, they may break the Mets 1962 record.
Aiden Awe
Crochet will be dealt in the off-season.
bucsfan0004
Nobody is taking Crochet, and he’ll be shut down anyway. He’ll be part of the futility start->finish
User 401527550
They were breaking it with Crochet.
GooseGoslinGuy
Mets were 40-120. Sox are 27-81 with 54 games left. If they go 14-40, they finish at 41-121. If they go 13-41, they finish at 40-122. Mets were 29-79 at the 108-game mark. Gonna be close!
kroeg49
Even if the Sox keep both Crochet and Robert Jr., they are still going to break the Mets record.
What a horrible team under the guidance of, Reinsdork, Getz and the manager (his name can’t come out of my mouth)!
Old York
They have a few more series with the A’s left over, so goo chance to get at least 1 win there. Yankees and O’s are sputtering right now to, so I could see winning 1 of those 3 games each. The rest aren’t trash teams so probably not going to win those.
Aiden Awe
I have them at 12% to break 120 L. Possible but not guaranteed(yet).
GooseGoslinGuy
They are 27-81. They have lost exactly three times their number of wins. Epic. Their batting numbers are so ugly, with Robert and Jimenez worse than the others. How did it happen so fast? WHY did it happen? They had talented pitchers and some decent offensive performers. Hard to watch.
sillywabbit
Hip injuries are notoriously difficult to recover from. Robert might not ever be the player he once was. Buyer beware for whoever trades for him.
AngelsFan1972
But when is Mike Trou going to be traded to the Phillies?
it makes sense……….
(FYI this is a joke for all the trade Trout people)
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Yes bah it’s not rocket science trouts favorite team was the Phillies and he has a big contract but not too big and he still had good stats and castellanos could be an angel and trout wants a WS and he is coming off the IL and Ron Washington could be traded and trout is still good at center field and it could be a 3 team trade and Perry minasian could be fired
it makes sense…………… it’s not like the angels won’t trade trout
AngelsFan1972
huh?
Not sure the point of your rhetoric here.
Apparently Ron Washington is being traded for Mike Trout?
it makes sense……………
mlb fan
Utility guys and SPs are very popular this deadline season. Your team badly needs a SP, so they go out and get a versatile utility guy instead.
AlistairC
Feels like Max Muncy not coming back with this move.
Nice get for SL.
Rexhudler86
So what probably two prospects to the whitesox. Mlb network is reporting it. Just not what’s going to Chicago.
Acoss1331
I wonder if Fedde pitches against the Cubs next Sunday. Congrats to Fedde for going to a team competing but he’s going to pummel the Cubs…
Happy the White Sox get prospects and Fedde goes to a good team. Unhappy because Fedde will help the Cardinals against the Cubs lol
cah011381
He was scheduled to start next on Friday, so he’ll slot in somewhere during the Cubs series.
Acoss1331
Ah, so most likely he’s going to be in the Cubs series. Thank you for the confirmation cah011381!
cah011381
I would assume he’ll start wherever Pallante was scheduled to start.
CaseyAbell
Seems like a dream for the Cards, unless Fedde implodes over the rest of the season. Have to wait to see the prospects involved, though.
jdt24boxer
So we trade a kid for a utility guy that doesn’t hit much and on top of that is hurt.
Worse trade Friedman has ever made. Stupid
jbigz12
Miguel Vargas can’t play defense anywhere. If they managed to get Kopech and Edman for him that’s an absolute coup.
Win Cor
No he’s a spark plug and GG fielder everywhere. You have no infielders.
CommentsSectionCommenter
jdt24boxer:
No, Yordan Alvarez for Josh Fields will forever be AF’s worst trade.
Meanwhile, he sends out prospects never heard of by anyone other than their families and Miguel Vargas–who can’t play defense in the major leagues at any position other than the one manned by Freddie Freeman–and get back Tommy Edman (who’ll be back, and will be better than any of Ahmed/Kike/Taylor/Biggio/Hayward) and Michael Kopech (who maybe they can fix, but who cares?).
That’s a fine deal for LA.
The problem with it is that it’s currently the ONLY deal for LA thus far, on a team that was poorly constructed by AF & Co….
Touch 'em all Joe
Juicy stuff right here! Keep ‘em coming!
James Midway
Edman does make sense for that team up the 5. Robert’s likes guys that can play multiple positions. With a permanent DH he has to get creative in moving his guys around.
BlueSkies_LA
What Roberts likes is immaterial. He doesn’t make the roster.
Win Cor
He’s is your starting 2B or CF.
James Midway
True but I’m sure he likes the Edman trade because it gives him more flexibility in the lineup.
paddyo furnichuh
* Replace* Roberts with LAD FO….now it sounds more accurate.
JoeBrady
Of course not. But I am willing to bet that every manager gets input into future trades. I’d also bet the Friedman asked Roberts what he thought the best fit was out of a portfolio of trade candidates.
BlueSkies_LA
I’m sure he is consulted, but ultimately all trades and signings are made by the FO and more heavily advised by the scouting department than by the manager.
HatlessPete
Idk about that. There’s some risk here but edman ticks a lot of boxes for the dodgers’ positional mix needs not just now but in the near future. Opens a lot of options for them both this season and in terms of their likely needs over the off-season as well.
Van Lingle Mungo
Damn Vargas is a solid get for Fedde. Tons of upside there. Whether or not it’s realized is a different story, especially with a team like CHW who doesn’t seem to develop as well as other teams.
CommentsSectionCommenter
Van Lingle:
Vargas has no defensive position, and doesn’t hit well enough to overcome that fact.
Best of luck with him.
jbigz12
Vargas ticks the white Sox boxes though. Guy who can’t play defense but can hit a few home runs! Glad to see they’re still collecting defenseless junk
2020vision
Dumb move by Dodgers. Like Dave Roberts navigating a playoff game from the 5th inning on, they got way too cute with this move.
Van Lingle Mungo
Why? Vargas isn’t going to get playing time with LA. He can’t play the infield positions they need him to play and he’s a butcher in the OF.
2020vision
Edman has taken far too long to prove his health this season and Vargas has much more upside. My comment came before they announced Kopech was going to the Dodgers, so I call this an overall win for the Dodgers. However, giving Roberts another arm in the bullpen is going to confuse him even more.
paddyo furnichuh
LA just improved their lineup with Edman and deepened their bullpen with Kopech while only giving up Vargas and prospect capital.
It looks good now for all teams but like most trades, time will tell.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
WOAH THERE HOLD YOUR HORSES THIS IS TOO FAST
paddyo furnichuh
Please don’t forget to let me know when I may stop holding my horses.
Old York
Why?
10centBeerNight
STL did what was needed. Should be a fight to the finish for the 5 or 6 teams and 3 WC slots. AA, Stearns – you are both on the clock
BlueSkies_LA
Vargas for Edman on the Dodgers side. Feels like a sideways move, and preliminary to something else.
Van Lingle Mungo
Yeah, I think Edman fills more of a position of need than Vargas right now and has the versatility that LA likes. Vargas was never going to get enough play after they lost confidence in him last year. I think Outman will probably be the next one out the door.
BlueSkies_LA
Could be, but only if they also make an OF move.
Van Lingle Mungo
Yeah…damn they gave up Jeral Perez. That dude is gonna be a stud. Hate to give up 19 year old prospects for a Utility man and a reliever.
l9ydodger
I like this for the Dodgers! Remember, prospects are just that, prospects. Jeral Perez potential stud? I think the same was probably said about Keibert’ Ruiz, Josiah Gray, M. Busch, Bellinger got injured & goofy, Lux hasn’t panned out so far either.
I have to agree with those who say the Dodgers do a good job of selling their milb players high!
CommentsSectionCommenter
BlueSkies:
Vargas isn’t a major-league defender anywhere (other than perhaps 1B, where his bat isn’t nearly potent enough to merit a spot), while Edman is the type of utility player the Dodgers FO covets who’s actually good (as opposed to way too much of their 26-man at this point).
A solid move (though losing Perez is a bummer), but yes, hardly a tentpole deal at a deadline where the Dodgers FO basically called their “impact trade” shot.
BlueSkies_LA
He’s been passable at 2B too and he is showing signs he can hit more consistently. I wouldn’t be so quick to give up on him finding an every day position but it will have to come on a team where his advancement isn’t blocked.
gorav114
Kopech too! Wow.
DonOsbourne
Happy trails Tommy. You’re one of my all-time favorites. I hope this works out for you.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah I dint think we need him anymore but still appreciate his time in St Louis. He’s from California going to a great team I imagine he’s happy.
TheStevilEmpire1
Mozeliak did exactly what was expected. Moved Edman’s 9.5 million to make room for Fedde’s 7.5 million and Pham’s minimum salary. The only apprehension I had was Fedde costing prospects Mozeliak wouldnt part with and no prospects went out.
With the deal costing only Edman, it’s a win for the Cardinals. I love Tommy Edman and also wish him the best.
rotofool
A return of Vargas from LAD and Chase Davis from STL would be a great haul for Fedde, although any of STL’s rated OF would benefit the SOX. Getz seems to be making smart moves.
cards81
Dodger fans you will love Edman…great player…we call him Tommy two bags because he hits a lot of doubles…put him anywhere and he is a gold glover
AL B DAMNED
Dodgers get Edman and Kopech for Vargas.
Dodgers fleeced everyone
spudchukar
Yep!!!
whosyourmomma
As of now, I think Cards did real well too, only giving up Edman for Fedde and Pham. Sox gave up 4 players and appear to only get 3 fringy prospects in return? White Sox got fleeced which is not shocking
rotofool
Not so fast, SOX are getting a real haul of young hitters, 3 from LA and likely a couple from STl.
cards81
You didn’t fleece the cardinals lol cardinals got the pitcher they wanted and the right handed batter they needed for Edman…I love Edman but with the emergence of Siani in CF it was an a great trade for the Cardinals
Daryl Pauley
Now the love goes to Sinai especially if he continues to grow as a hitter. No more called 3rd strikes (by anyone)). Damn I hate that.
Bill Roper
Ok, so Kopech is a salary dump, I’d say, unless he suddenly started pitching a lot better in the last month.
BlueSkies_LA
He’s pre-arb but I still don’t know what the Dodgers see in him.
Daryl Pauley
Hard thrower, lots of SO. Maybe Dodgers can fix the BB.
HatlessPete
Cheap, nasty stuff in a late inning role in which he has some track record of mlb success. Edman is clearly the main piece here, so kopech is pretty decent as a value balancing throw in imo.
BlueSkies_LA
He’s a wild man. Unless he can fix that, his stuff won’t seem so nasty. Probably he forces a reliever with a similar marginal profile off the roster, for whatever good that does. Not much I suspect.
HatlessPete
Yes there is some risk that he can’t get the command issues under control but theres good upside here too. It’s not like shedding a marginal relief arm from the roster is a huge opportunity cost though. And I kind of doubt that the dodgers are overflowing with marginal arms on their current roster who compare to kopech on velo, stuff and upside.
BlueSkies_LA
He’s pitched in parts of five seasons in the majors and hasn’t gotten his command under control yet, so I wouldn’t expect much to change in a new uniform. High velocity pitchers are practically a dime a dozen these days. Ones who can throw it for strikes, not so much. He probably knocks Banda or Honeywell off the roster so not a lot of improvement there either.
l9ydodger
BS_LA; I think Edman was the main piece here. He plays GREAT defense at all 3 outfield positions and at 2nd; 3rd & short. 265 avg. hitter? I’ll definitely take that over Kike, Taylor, Muncy, Heyward. So done with those guys! Hopefully 1 or 2 more deals coming between now and 3:00 p.m. pacific time tomorrow!
HatlessPete
Fair concerns. I think it’s worth mentioning that sizable chunks of that span you mention have gone to kopech failing to establish himself as a starter though. High octane swing and miss stuff with some control concerns can play better in a short relief role than in a sp role. And kopech has recorded some stretches of effective relief work in more recent seasons. To be clear, I’m not trying to suggest that kopech is a prize get or a steal in this trade. Just saying he’s an okay secondary throw-in piece with some upside. Edman will be the determining factor in whether this deal helps the dodgers far more than kopech imo.
BlueSkies_LA
Yep they were definitely after Edman. I thought they might go after Isiah Kiner-Falefa for the same reason. Maybe they did and came away with Edman. Same kind of player, basically. I’m just not real impressed with velocity for its own sake. I can see Kopech driving us crazy in late innings like so many of the other wild flamethrowers we’ve seen before.
cah011381
I wish they wouldn’t publicize these until they know the full details. Gotta be first!!
GooseGoslinGuy
Ken Rosenthal lies in bed every night thinking up trades he would like to make if he were ever a MLB GM. Then he fabricates scenarios whereby they are happening, and then he passes them on to MLBTR as “trade rumors” masquerading as inevitabilities, as if they originated with actual GMs. Never mind the “full details.”
tjg25
Good riddance to Kopech.
Blackpink in the area
Pham is coming back to St Louis?
Didn’t see that coming lol
cah011381
I did. They love to bring these guys back for some reason.
Daryl Pauley
Ah the retirement tour for Pham. He’s not retiring though. Who cares.
30 Parks
Edman & Kopech are solid pickups.
CaseyAbell
The Tommy Pham World Tour continues. But he could help the Cards lineup. Just don’t let him play fantasy football.
cah011381
I hear Tommy Edman was the Cardinals fantasy football guru. Would have been an interesting clubhouse.
CaseyAbell
Pham hasn’t been much good this year but he’s still hitting lefties (.848 OPS). The Cards can use him as a platoon guy and PH against southpaws. As for the clubhouse stuff, well, maybe he can behave himself for a few months. No strip club parking lot fights, no on-field slaps…you can do it, Tommy!
CardsFan57
Pham will help but the Cardinal could still use another right handed outfielder for facing lefties. Carlson needs to be traded for what ever the team can get. I wish him well and think he will benefit from a change of scenery.
99socalfrc
WTF are the dodgers doing? Just playing also ran so that the Cards can get Fedde and Pham???
They think Edman is an upgrade over Biggio/ Lux/ Vargas???
norcalblue
Edman is insurance (possibly even now option 1) for Dodgers at SS. Mookie moves to RF to reduce pressure on him and can play 2B if Lux doesn’t continue his ascent.
spudchukar
Huge upgrade! An All-Star and amazingly versatile!
99socalfrc
All Star? Who do Dodger fans think they are getting?
He’s hitting .207 in AA right now, hasn’t played at all beyond that in 2024 and has only surpassed 100 OPS+ once since 2020.
CommentsSectionCommenter
99socalfrc:
Edman is a massive upgrade over Biggio; Lux is just a sunk cost the LADs apparently will never move on from (which has actually worked in their favor since the ASB); and Vargas can’t play defense…at all…anywhere.
Not sure what your issue is with a perfectly adequate pickup, considering Biggio and Ahmed and Kike (and Hayward and Outman) are all currently on the 26-man roster….
dodgersdan
Agreed. Edman’s a risk but if he can return to his pre-injury form, he’s a huge upgrade to the Dodgers roster. He’s an upgrade over Lux at 2B vs. LHP, he’s an upgrade at 3B over Kiké/Biggio until Muncy is back (which may not happen this season), he’s an upgrade in CF (pushing Pages into a platoon with Heyward in RF). Arguably an upgrade at SS over Ahmed/Rojas until Mookie is back, too.
This one belongs to the Reds
A lot of shuffling around there. Doesn’t seem to help anyone but Dem Bums.
Blackpink in the area
The Cardinals swapping out a guy who hasn’t played all year for Fedde certainly makes them better. And Pham is coming back too.
AL B DAMNED
The trade that never ends..
Now Pham to Cards also..
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Tommy Pham back in St. Louis might cause a clubhouse bomb to go off
mike q.
He does seem to leave burned bridges behind him.
spudchukar
Give him a break! He is a helluva player for someone who is legally blind!!!!
This one belongs to the Reds
They are Pham-ily again.
cah011381
By all accounts he was kinda an a-hole when he was here before and that’s why they let him go then.
highflyballintorightfield
Vargas seems like a nice fellow, but also doesn’t seem like he has much baseball sense. Couldn’t make the transition to OF, and cost the Dodgers a run over the weekend by not hustling on the bases. I hope the Sox can just plant him at 1B and let him rake. Good luck to him.
stymeedone
White Sox are not the best team to teach a player the right way to play the game at the major league level. They seem to teach players how to collect a check while not playing. ( see Eloy, Roberts and Moncada)
energel
this is bad for the pirates.
when are they actually do something good instead of trading for middle infield prospects when they are in the hunt for that wild card spot
Kubanis427
Damn was hoping Heyward was gone, he will be DFA’d at some point. We still need an impact bat outfielder(stay away for Robert). I like Kikuchi over Crochet he is more durable and is not requesting $$$$ to pitch in the playoffs!!!
cah011381
With the addition of Edman, Betts is probably your impact addition in the OF.
dodgersdan
Nah, they’re more likely to stick Edman in CF than move Betts back to RF.
Outman has been miserable offensively and Pages isn’t good defensively. Once the Dodgers IF gets healthy, Edman is probably their CF.
Perksy
Why do the cardinals need Pham? They have Donovan, Burleson, Carlson, and Nootbar
mike q.
He bats right-handed and they have given up on Carlson.
Perksy
Ok as long as Donovan doesn’t lose AB’s
birdland410
Can’t believe the orioles didn’t get fedde ♂️
sillywabbit
They covet their prospects obviously. I imagine it’s tough to be blocked & not get traded.
SJG
I wonder how 3 team trades even come about. Most of the time, it seems more like 2 separate trades but both happen to involve 1 similar team. Same here:
CWS trade Fedde to STL for Edman & prospect
CWS trade Edman & Kopech to LAD for Vargas & prospect
Interaction between STL and LAD is minimal.
Echopark
Oh Boy – Vargas + three decent prospects for a flyer on Edman’s health for this year (though they get him next year, too) and Kopeck. Hmmm. Seems a little high. Vargas never got a great chance – that;’t the issue – now he will and my bet is he hits – a lot. I hope the Dodgers have a plan for Kopech.
Feels like Dodgers must have been lusting for Edman for a long time.
cards81
Edman is a great player…dodgers will love him
Blackpink in the area
Edman is a California native and his best 3 positions are ones the Dodgers need help at. I think it’s risky to count on him because he’s been hurt all year. But if he’s healthy he’s a good player and a great fit for the Dodgers.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Agreed on Vargas. He underwhelmed last year but this year seemed to have a better approach at the plate. He could be a plus MLB bat but of course offset by his defense. I’m not too excited about Kopech unless his command vastly improves, but how many young pitchers are in same situation and how many actually fix that?
RobblyDobs
Unbelievable deal for the Cards.
After Bader last year, they should just trade guys on the IL.
kcmark
Fedde Wap
boysofsummer
Kopech’s walk rate is way too high and he gives up too many dingers to be more than a mop-up guy. Unless Prior can voodoo this dude into knowing where the ball is going I don’t like this addition. Edman, on the other hand, is a clear upgrade on Vargas and all the little whiners who don’t like him will come around soon enough. Happy for Vargas that and he will have the chance to get some ABs on the South Side.
Blackpink in the area
Yes Edman is a great fit for the Dodgers. He can play center, 2b and short and those are all needs for the Dodgers. He’s not a good 3b so Rojas might have to play there until Muncy is healthy.
spudchukar
Nooooooooooooo! My favorite player moved to where?, The fricking Dodgers. This is a desperation move!!! I hate, hate, hate this trade! And I like Pham!
mlbdodgerfan2015
Not liking this trade. Vargas has some upside with his bat even though his glove is as terrible as it can get. Edelman is versatile and great glove but I worry about his bat. Kopech hasn’t proven that he has the command to be successful at the MLB level. All arm, no command. And then the Dodgers threw in a bunch of lottery tickets. This trade has Yordan Alvarez potential.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
StL got a very good SP. They don’t want to miss out on the playoffs in 2 consecutive years. Arenado and Goldschmidt best years are starting to fade (More the latter) Pham will help their offense.
They could still use more offense
LAD got a good valuable BP guy.
Edman is useful.
The potential of the prospects are anyones guess.
Robertj 2
Dodgers got swindled on this deal giving up Vargas and some promising very young talent for very mediocre talent that will not improve the roster.
BlueSkies_LA
Always have to chuckle over this sort of take. Apparently the Dodgers don’t know what they have in these players, but Some Guy on the Internet sure does.
energel
cardinals get a 4 war pitcher and a solid reliever for an injured tommy edman who has not played a single inning this year
wow
cubfanforever
Getz gets prospects.
stymeedone
Amazed at how few CWS fans are even commenting. They aren’t celebrating and they aren’t complaining. Have they just tuned out the team altogether?
DarkSide830
Surely this is highway robbery by STL?
cah011381
Mozeilak pulls one of these off every 5 years or so.
RobblyDobs
2 years – bader/montgomery was the last one. Strangely similar, too
leftcoaster
Dodgers regularly get fleeced and lose their best young talent. Tired of it.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
What best young talent getting fleeced are we talking about? Yordan Alvarez is the only real prospect they got rid of recently that has thrived.
deepseamonster32
Enjoying all the commentary judging the trade while details are still emerging lol
Blackpink in the area
It’s been over an hour since it was announced. Unless the Cardinals are giving up some seriously good prospects I like the deal for them. White Sox looked like they have done well so far. Dodgers seem to be giving up a lot.
deepseamonster32
Finalized with another StL prospect to LA, a PTBNL from LA to CWS and a PTBNL from LA to StL.
Blackpink in the area
Never even heard of Oliver Gonzalez. Gotta like this deal as a Cardinals fan. Cubs made a good move yesterday with Paredes this is a good move too.
Blackpink in the area
Still thinking there has to be more to this trade. Cardinals aren’t giving up much at all with just Edman going to the Dodgers. The Cardinals have a lot of major league ready starters that may or may not pan out that wont get an opportunity in St Louis. Kloffenstein, McGreevy, Graceffo and perhaps Bedell. Pick one. Zach Thompson I am sure is available. There has to be more to this deal.
Devlsh
The rumor mills says the East Side strip clubs over in Illinois are throwing in plenty of cash since Pham is included in the deal.
cah011381
Hahaha, I just mentioned this in the comments on another site.
Devlsh
As I said in another thread, Edman is drastically undervalued by fans. He’s EXACTLY what the Dodgers needed; a guy who can play all the positions they have questions about (CF, 2B, SS, 3B) with solid to gold glove defense while providing speed and league average offense. Those people who call him a utility player probably thought of Zobrist the same way, but teams value such a guy.
baseballpun
I love Edman. I have no idea what he’s going to look like after this wrist injury.
Datashark
Dodgers relievers arms are falling off on the usage, figure Kopech is just another to add to list.
St.Louis seems to have moved their needle to playoffs with this deal more in short term.
Edmen is quite interesting in who he dispels from infield – is Muncy, Taylor, Luz, etc
Daryl Pauley
Fedde is signed through next year.
cah011381
Cardinals still need one more back end of the bullpen guy, but this trade got them closer.
baseballpun
So Edman is really the only piece leaving STL?
Mickey Solis
They buy everyone, endless prospects that they luck into, and it’s still never enough. They’re the scum of the earth so desperate to make their phony clown fanbase “happy.” Who do they throw out like yesterday’s garbage in typical LA fashion to make room for their new shiny toy? Kopech?
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
right, no other teams do this also. Sour Grapes.
bseblfevr
Who’s on first?
FanDan
A steal for St Louis.
showmebb
Did the Cards want Pham or were they forced to take him???? Maybe he hits lefties. So, whose spot does he take?
Slider_withcheese
Pham has a 141 wRC+ against lefties this year
baseballpun
He’s got an 850 OPS against lefties. Looks like they’ll platoon him with Siani.
Devlsh
Except Pham can’t play CF.
baseballpun
Over 200 innings at CF this year.
He won’t be as good as Siani, but he can platoon there. Maybe they’ll play Noot in center against lefties and put Pham in a corner.
Dotnet22
And he’s cheap. They needed a RH bat.
Daryl Pauley
Carlson traded or sent to the minors. I vote demotion for one last chance next year.
cah011381
He might be out of options, I’d say it’s either trade or DFA.
CardsFan57
Pham will help a lot against lefties. The Cardinals outfield has really struggled against lefties.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
He hits anybody… with his fists.
fred-3
I know there aren’t Dodger fans in here complaining about trading Miguel Vargas, a guy who’s a DH and has shown absolutely nothing in 2 years, right?
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
Vargas is not a DH.
fred-3
I’m sorry, left field and DH
highflyballintorightfield
He’s a corner infielder who has not been able to play either position with the Dodgers. He was a slightly subpar 2B and a ghastly LF. I think Roberts had finally given up on playing him in the OF, weeks later than it should have happened. Give him consistent playing time at 1B and you could be looking at another Michael Busch. He just didn’t respond to the Dodgers’ weird personnel management.
thegreatgoodbye
Looks like Cards won this trade
Dodgers get: UT Tommy Edman, RP Michael Kopech.
Cardinals get: SP Erick Fedde, OF Tommy Pham.
White Sox get three INF prospects from the Dodgers: Miguel Vargas, Alexander Albertus and Jeral Perez.
Rynoshield
Personally I’m not a fan of this trade for the cards. It’s selling low on Edman
baseballpun
He’s only under contract for 1 more year at $9.5m and he hasn’t played at all this year. So. He either tears it up and MAYBE you could’ve gotten more in the off-season or he struggles and he has no value in the off-season.
24TheKid
They somehow managed to get sell high value for Edman in a season he hasn’t even played in.
Blackpink in the area
Sell high value would have been after 2022 when he was a 5 win player. But I still like the deal for the Cardinals assuming the remaining prospects getting dealt aren’t top prospects.
Devlsh
Where do you hear that STL is giving up any prospects?
Blackpink in the area
It says that in the initial report of the trade.
Dotnet22
What’s also important is that Fedde will be on the roster next year too. Very much needed if the options for Gibson or Lynn aren’t picked up. Gives the Cards some options for the staff next year.
iml12
Sox got absolutely fleeced. Geez
Aiden Awe
Absolutely atrocious return for the Wsox. I rather for the Wsox just to deal Fedde, and put Pham and Kopech in a separate deal.
rotofool
STL will likely be giving up OF prospect(s), while LAD gives up IF prospects. When dust settles, I expect Getz will walk away with 4 top 30 (SOX) prospect hitters, plus Vargas in the majors, unless it’s Joendry Vargas and not Miguel Vargas.
Hoping for at least one solid OF prospect from STL, who churns out quality OFs like no other.
windycity89
Wrong. Cardinals are only giving up Tommy Edman. Nobody else
rotofool
LAD paid all that for Kopech & Edman? While STL paid simply Edman for Fedde & Pham? Seems off, I’ll wait until it’s official.
laynestaley2002
Wrong. Try and keep up. The Cardinals gave up a 17 year old prospect also.
Daryl Pauley
Cardinals still have to drop 2 from the roster. Who goes.
Blackpink in the area
My guess is a random reliever gets sent down and Carlson is dealt. Carlson really needs to go. He’s a good fit for a rebuilding team that can take a chance on him bouncing back. Decent fit for the White Sox really.
Slider_withcheese
I think it’s just one with the DFA of Gio yesterday.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah good point slider.
I gotta believe Carlson is history. What was it Saturday when he flubbed 2 plays in the outfield including the game winner? Maybe Carlson bounces back maybe he doesn’t but I don’t care he needs to go.
cah011381
Something else has to be coming. We still need a back end of the bullpen guy.
Blackpink in the area
Perhaps we can get one for Carlson. A pen arm or 2 should be all the team really needs.
cah011381
I’d really like to have Chad Green, but Carlson alone isn’t getting him.
RobblyDobs
Its Raposo – 4th catcher
cards1994
They DFA Gio yesterday
BYoung 4
This probably means Getz will be trading Crochet to the Dodgers for Kopech straight up next.
Butter Biscuits
This will help us in the playoffs
Cheeseman Forever
If Brewers were in on Fedde, they blew it. And if they hit the deadline without picking up a starter, shame on them — the rotation is a shambles.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Gotta wait til tomorrow for something that moves the needle….
fred-3
People going crazy over Fedde. Meanwhile he had a 5.00+ career ERA coming into this season and is likely pitching over his head on a White Sox team that had yet to play a meaningful game all year
Blackpink in the area
I don’t like Fedde all that much. But to get him for Edman and perhaps a prospect or 2 sounds good to me.
fred-3
Edman had a 6 win season in 2022, has 1.5 years of control left, and plays multiple positions, so it’s not like he’s blocking a spot.
CardsFan57
He’s having a very good year and has a very reasonable salary next year. It’s nothing flashy but a solid move.
jdgoat
He’s clearly a different pitcher than the one he was before he went to Asia.
showmebb
The way Sonny is pitching, Fedde could be the ace of the Cards’ staff.
THEY LIVE!!!
Doesn’t matter who the Dodgers get because the biggest problem is Robert’s managing and particularly his abuse of pitchers.
bluesteele
Just stupid. Why waste your time with this? Dumb.
CardsFan57
If the Cardinals do get Fedde and Pham for Edman, I will be very happy with this trade. I really do like Edman but centerfield and middle infield players with years of control are piling up behind him. He was never going to be on the roster by spring training.
baseballpun
He wasn’t really even a league average bat the last couple years either. And we don’t know what impact the wrist injury will have. And he’ll be 30 next season.
gorav114
I can’t figure the white Sox out. They put insanely high prices on their guys but seem to give them all away. Orioles want to send them legit major league ready prospects but they wouldn’t do it for Cease now they won’t for Crochet. I think Getz must just not like Elias
Littleman20
Or maybe the Orioles don’t want to give a contract extension to an unproven pitcher in Crochet
No team is gonna want to do that. They’ll just wait till the off-season. They won’t have to give a contract extension.
MadSkillsUniversity
May Jerry just wanted a partial refund. LOL Getz has NEVER been good at anything baseball. They just gave them away. Crazy. Fedde was a winning pitcher! SMH
rightwingrick
Will the Mariners pry 1B Guerrero, Jr. from Toronto? It will take a haul, but the M’s might do it:
#2 Prospect Harry Ford, catcher
#6 Prospect Tyler Locklear, 1B
#10 Prospect Michael Morales, SP/RHP
MLB/AAA former #2 Prospect, Emerson Hancock, SP/RHP
If that won’t do it, the M’s may turn to Tampa Bay for 1B Yandy Diaz. Age (33) and contract status ($24 million a year) make him a liability for the always-cost-conscious Rays. The same applies to Seattle, but they are in a position with a great pitching staff to go all the way with some critical offensive additions.
#2 Prospect Ford
#6 Prospect Locklear
#9 Prospect Michael Arroyo, 2B/3B/SS
#10 Prospect Morales
Devlsh
Wrong thread, RwR
Whyme
Jays aren’t trading Vlad for that.
Littleman20
There is absolutely zero chance you trade 4 Top 10 prospects in one trade This is not MLB the show lol
JoeBrady
The Cards have to be giving up something else, right? Fedde for an injured Edman (whom I like) feels like a swindle.
uvmfiji
Michael “Sidd Finch” Kopech
alexthegod
I’m so confused from the Dodgers side. Tell me this is a precursor to a bigger deal
Littleman20
I found it kind of odd that the Cardinals didn’t have to send the White Sox anything for Fedde And Pham
paddyo furnichuh
They gave up Edman for Fedde and a Pham rental. Between Fedde and Edman, it’s a decent bet that both will regress to their career averages for their remaining contracts.
If that decent bet is right, CWS will have sold high on Fedde and STL sold low on Edman.
jrnorny
If this is the final trade the Cardinals made out like bandits & White Sox got fleeced, highway robbery !
RWH 2
Sox dumped salary, which is probably as important to Getz (or his boss) as the players. Kopech costs $3MM v. Vargas $74oK, for example. Fedde was around $7MM and Pham $1.5MM. Lot of money coming off the books.
jmc21418
White Sox got fleeced by both Stl. & LA. They should have gotten at least 1 top mlb prospect from this deal. Getz won’t have a job long if he keeps making deals like this. He’s a cheap skate.
Riga-Tony
Vargas was ranked #37 prospect just last year, AHEAD of Colson Montgomery…
Cards Fan 1978
Hard to root for Pham or a career 5.00 ERA pitcher. Cards hoping for another miracle so they can get to the playoffs, lose in the first round, and then say they were competitive.
paddyo furnichuh
Why is hard for you to root for Pham?
baseballpun
I’m not saying that this makes them a real contender, or that there’s anything they can do to be a real contender this year. But so far they’ve only traded Edman, who hasn’t been on the active roster all year. So surely they have the ability to make some more moves.
AngelsFan1972
Gotta love that they released the story and have had to update it so many times.,
By the looks of it, it still needs more updates. July 29th at 12:50 PST
NerdPowahh
Basically this trade for Chicago is Fedde for Vargas. You can definitely make an argument Chicago should have gotten more.
As for Pham and Kopech, nah.
jdgoat
The two 19 year olds aren’t nothing. Sure that’s young so it makes it hard to project but both have had good minor league careers to date and have good pedigree to go with it.
MadSkillsUniversity
Good point, but with a new voice in his ear, I expect Kopech to become a solid closer.
stymeedone
The CWS teach their players not to take advice from others, unless they get a contract extension.
dazedatnoon
Sox claim to be pushing defense and fundamentals then acquire a prospect that is atrocious defensively and has no defensive home…….???
Atlanta Jack
It’s time for Terry Francona to be named GM of the White Sox. The people in charge now are just terrible and should be let go as soon as possible.
MadSkillsUniversity
I saw something in the Chicago Suntimes today about AJ Pierzynski as manager in 2025. Thoughts?
Rsox
Full circle for Pham.
jvent
Wow the Cards only gave up Edman and got back Fedde and Pham, my Mets better get a SP and RP lol
rotofool
The prospects from dodgers are all quality prospect hitters that, importantly to Getz & his offensive philosophy being implemented, get on base as well as slug.
However, the deal is significantly light for the SOX, giving up three quality big leaguers for only three prospects. They had Fedde under control @ $7.5M in 2025, so what was the rush to not extract a prospect from STL? Although late word is a low level guy from STl will be included.
Hopefully Robert & Crochet are NOT dealt…and Getz learns from this mishandling of the deadline.
CardsFan57
I’m still happy with Edman and a low level prospect for Fedde and Pham. It fills two needs for the Cardinals.
No hope
I was hoping the low level minor leaguer was Dylan Carlson…
laynestaley2002
Absolute fleece job by St Louis to give up a 17 year old prospect and an oft-injured utility player for one of the best MLB pitchers this year that is cost controlled through next year, at a lower tier cost mind you, and the right-handed OF bat they needed.
I am shocked they got away with this.
NerdPowahh
White Sox getting a PTBNL helps a little.
But whoever that is may depend just on how far the Dodgers go in the playoffs.
BKS1110
How the heck did Fedde and Pham only cost the Cardinals Edman and a “low-level prospect?” That’s a straight fleece job. What the heck.
Old York
Can the Dodgers pitching lab fix Kopech?
jdgoat
My initial reaction is that this is a great trade for both St. Louis and Chicago and absolutely horrible for the Dodgers. Am I underrating Edman or what because that’s an awful lot to give up for him.
CardsFan57
Edman turned in a 6.2 WAR season in 2022. He’s a great defender and base runner
MadSkillsUniversity
Jerry is being Jerry again,, just dumping salary. I don’t even have to look up the prospects, they are either never going to make it to MLB or, will be mismanaged and badly developed anyway because Getz is, and has always been a ‘developer.’ LOL. SMH.
baseballpun
Knowing the Cards track record this 17 year old lottery ticket is going to get Cy Young votes in 2029.
Bounty Hunters IA
Too bad for Fedde, He goes from one trash franchise to the absolute worst trash franchise in all of professional sports. He’ll wish he was back in Korea soon once he gets to cesspool east Missouri.
RobblyDobs
Jealous, are we?
themed
Jealous must be a low life cub fan
Atlanta Jack
Did anybody mention that one third of salary going out and one third coming in Sox probably made 2or3 million on this trade today.
RobblyDobs
…and the Cards made 2m saving next year, trading a good utility for an SP3.
Weird.
Niekro floater
Gotta trust Friedman n the process. Don’t believe Dodgers are done recalibrating roster. Vargas couldn’t establish himself w/bat n was rough to watch on D. Atleast for this yr LA has best player on planet @DH, why the all bat no glove wunderkinds like Vargas n Busch are gone. Didn’t lose that much prospect capital, none of the biggies. Edman can play all over, has base stealing speed, n a lil pop. Maybe w/Prior’s help, Kopech n his electric stuff can finally turn that corner. Go Dodgers !
mbarcos
How does this trade benefit the Dodgers? For Chicago, it’s a salary dump. For Cards, it’s valuable pieces to their roster, For Dodgers, trading one minor leaguer (Vargas) for another minor league INF (Edman) that isn’t healthy? Addiing Kopech for a gas can bullpen, and he may be good for one batter, instead of mop up duty? Dumpster diving again as their highly-paid SP s are on the IL.
Shrutefarm
mbarcos…I’m not sure either. Kopech is just another middling reliever. Edman improves the team defense over Vargas for sure and adds another weapon against LH pitching. It may be that he becomes a super sub/platoon player….that’s been a staple for this Dodger regime. But I don’t see the “impact” player the FO was talking about……more deals to come?
Doug S
Chris Getz was last seen not wearing any pants, he lost them to the Cardinals
msqboxer
With jar of Vaseline in his hand…
Cardinal
Bottom line – a with a pitcher of 6 seasons and an ERA of 4.92….who throws on the high end 88 mph…is not great, though this year is an outlier so far. The outfielder Pham does nothing for the team.
This team is at best (again) a wild card team with no potential to advance.
pogo
3 team trades in baseball is nuts.
max l
Cards gave up almost nothing which is good, but this really doesn’t move the needle at all for them. Pham does crush lefties, but this isn’t a power bat that will help a struggling offense put runs on the board like a Brent Rooker would. Like Pham, Fedde is a decent back-end of the rotation, innings-eater but he won’t move the needle at all in a playoff series like a Crochet or a Logan Gilbert/George Kirby type would. So OK moves from Mo, but this is basically re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic after it’s already hit the iceberg, it ain’t gonna make an iota of difference in the long run unless he pulls off another bigger move later tonight or tomorrow.
YourDreamGM
A++++ to the moon for the Cards. They got the 2 best players to help right now for literally absolutely nothing. Nice low level arm they can find a dozen of every year.
C for LA. They will get the best of Kop. Parted with nice but flawed non elite prospects.
C for Chicago. Compared to others in this market it’s a light return. But most years it’s a above average return and would have been a B. They did just fine.
The Brokenheart Kid
That Vargas cat looks pretty lazy in the headshots I’ve seen of him. Yeah, I know we’re not supposed to judge people on their looks, but sometimes a cigar is a cigar.
empirejim
After watching him play left field this year I can confidently say he has no business in left field. He’d have to improve a lot, and maybe he will. I seem to remember him in the minors as a 3B. Hits the ball pretty well.
nrd1138
The problem for these prospects coming to the White Sox is that they will have no tutelage at the major league level as the current group of managers and coaches simply cannot do their job (to put it nicely). If the Sox want any of these guys to pan out they need to show some accountability and fire Grifol and his merry band of losers. If anything just to turn a page on this past now two seasons of mediocrity.
ChiSoxFaninFL
Honestly I think they will be helped when they hit the double A team. I really think that Santos and his crew are doing good work in Birmingham. Now beyond that they will get trashed but by the time they are ready hopefully there will be REAL new leadership at the big ball club.
Bobrugs
I’ve been a cardinal fan for 60 years. Trading Tommy Edman away is the stupidest trade I can ever remember. Tommy can play almost any position excellently, is a switch hitter and base stealer, has great baseball sense and is a future manager. Management not willing to increase payroll for pitching was a death knell I will never attend another Cardinal game for the rest of my life!!! In fact, I may switch to being a Dodgers fan. What a stupid decision by management!
msqboxer
Apparently Chris Getz job is secure enough that he doesn’t have to produce anything until 2027.
fox471 Dave
Hey Steve! Do you pay any attention to players who start slow and then start doing some real Big League stuff? Might want to take a look at this fella Gavin Lux. After a gruesome leg injury in 2023 and a slow start/recovery in 2024, he seems to have figured things out.
burntToast
ready for those phamalamadingdongs i’ve missed so much
SupremeZeus
Getz is making Kenny Williams look like Branch Rickey. It can always get worse.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Adams is incompetent. “Rough as those numbers are” is NOT PROPER ENGLISH. You can’t just leave “as” out at the start of the sentence. It’s not optional. Neither is using correct grammar, especially if you’re being paid to write.
rotofool
Seriously, what is your problem? You seem to be acting really weird. Please check yourself.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
What is your problem? You feel the need to ad hominem every person you disagree with?
rotofool
Getz did get the best player in the Bummer deal as the PTBNL, Riley Gowans has been nearly fantastic. Perhaps that can rescue their haul in this one, which was missing a legit prospect back from STL especially since they sent $ to STL! I do like the offensive upside of Vargas & Perez , but Getz gets a -1 on this one.
Perhaps the Cards ownership group is struggling financially, they rely on the gate a lot more than most clubs. Sox & Dodgers really handed them quite a favor to help them make the post season and save cash.
paulk-2
They still need to fix that Cardinals batting lineup. The new arm is cool but pitching isn’t the reason the Cardinals are still in the negative for +/-
empirejim
Thought it was kind of blind that when talking about where Edman might fit with the Dodgers the most obvious need is 3B. We’ll soon have Mookie back, and removing a seriously surging Lux would be beyond dumb. Muncy is looking like he’s done for the year and anyone the Dodgers slot in at 3rd is a black hole with the bat. Looking forward to Edman at 3rd, but with Dave at the helm, well, who the hell knows…