Blake Snell made some more baseball history last night when the two-time Cy Young Award winner threw a no-hitter against the Reds. The 18th no-hit game in the history of the New York/San Francisco Giants franchise, Snell’s gem saw him rack up 11 strikeouts against three walks on 114 pitches. It was also the first time Snell had ever thrown eight full innings in any of his 202 career starts, let alone a complete game.
The no-no continues what has now become one of the better pitching stretches of all time. Snell has an 0.55 ERA over his last five starts (33 IP), in what has been an incredible turn-around after an injury-plagued first half of the season. Signing with the Giants only in the midpoint of March, the lack of a proper Spring Training resulted in Snell posting a 9.51 ERA in his first 23 2/3 innings and six starts, as well a pair of trips to the injured list. It was after his latest return from the IL that Snell began his amazing five-start run, capped off with his legendary game yesterday in Cincinnati. While the Giants received plenty of trade interest in Snell prior to last Tuesday’s deadline, keeping an in-form ace will go a long way towards helping San Francisco’s chances at the playoffs.
More from around the NL West…
- Joe Musgrove will begin a minor league rehab assignment on Sunday, the Padres righty told Jeff Sanders of the San Diego Union-Tribune and other reporters. Musgrove said his first rehab outing is slated to be 45-50 pitches over three innings, adding “I feel healthy and I feel like I’m past the elbow issue. Now it’s just a matter of getting my stuff to a point that’s getting big-league hitters out.” Due to bone spurs in his throwing elbow, Musgrove hasn’t pitched since May 26, and his absence figures to stretch into at least mid-August as he gets fully ramped up. The Padres would certainly use some reinforcement in their rotation, as Michael King is day-to-day with a calf bruise, and Sanders doesn’t feel King is likely to make his next scheduled start tomorrow.
- Speaking of long-term injury absences, Max Muncy has been out since mid-May with a lingering oblique strain, but Dodgers manager Dave Roberts told media (including MLB.com) that Muncy is set to take part in a simulated game on August 8. According to Roberts, a visit with a chiropractor helped Muncy finally have a “breakthrough” in overcoming the ongoing discomfort in his oblique. Muncy’s return can’t come soon enough for the injury-riddled Dodgers, as the third baseman was posting his usual solid numbers — nine homers and a .223/.323/.475 — over his first 167 plate appearances of 2024.
- Charlie Blackmon is day-to-day with a bruise under his left eye after the Rockies veteran was hit in the face by a deflected throw in yesterday’s game. On a grounder to second base, a wayward throw from Xander Bogaerts saw the ball hit Blackmon’s arm and deflect up into his face, and an obviously hurt Blackmon was forced to leave the game. The good news is that Blackmon passed initial concussion tests, even if there was some facial swelling.
Looking forward to hearing from all the geniuses who smacked FZ for not trading Snell for some prospects. San Francisco has the best starting staff in MLB. If they can step up the timely hitting and make the postseason they can beat anyone.
Tell it
Agree. Still, it is a double-edged sword because make or miss the post-season he will opt out and they get nothing.
I’d say if they win the World Series they got something.
Tell – How can they possibly win the World Series now that Snell’s pitching arm will fall off?
That’s what happens when a pitcher throws more than 100 pitches in a game, right?
Tell it
Of course. I am just pointing out that if they fall short of making the WS, they have almost surely lost him for nothing.
Good one, tellit. Still chuckling.
if they fall short of making the WS,
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If you are waiting foe a WS, how long are you willing to wait?
he will opt out and they get nothing.
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Of course, but that can be said about every team and every trade or non-trade. I thought the SFG should’ve traded for hitting. This might go whichever way Ray goes, but I don’t see much of a reason to surrender at this point. With the good Ray, the Giants can mow down other teams.
And they are 14th in RPG, so it isn’t like they can’t score.
Not necessarily, it’s not like the SFG can’t afford him and they should strongly consider it. If this is the new Snell who isn’t a 5 IP guy because he pitch counts himself out of games. They are in as good a position to do so as anyone.
I think the hope for Giants fans is that they sign him to an extension after the season. He appears to like the Giants organization and his teammates. And he really likes Melvin as his manager. So we’ll see. I, as a fan don’t like opt outs but they are now a part of the game.
@mab51357 They still could have signed him if they traded him. If he opts out and they sign him in the offseason it’s not an “extension.”
I meant before him opting out.
lmao
“San Francisco has the best starting staff in MLB.”
Not really at all, no.
The Giants starting staff up to this point is 18th in ERA-.
The pitching staff overall is 25th by ERA+
There’s a variety of other stats that paint a similar picture of their performance so far.
Obviously, a healthy and effective Snell and others moving forward will improve their overall numbers by the end of the season, but not enough for them to suddenly jump up to the number one spot.
For reference, the Royals, Phillies, and Mariners are tied for best starting staffs by ERA- (24% better then the Giants)
Perhaps this would be a better way to put it: The Giants, at this moment, have the best starting staff in MLB. Using seasonal stats are pointless because they include a boatload of journeymen, bullpen games, and Snell’s poor start. They’ve settled into a very strong staff. I can’t think of any other team that has such a strong starting 5.
Webb
Snell
Birdsong
Harrison
Ray
Ray is unreliable coming off surgery (good in first start vs Dodgers, then got lit up by the little league team in Oakland).
Birdsong and Harrison are both kids who have done well to this point but are hardly locks to continue. Birdsong only has 6 starts in the Majors.
Snell and Webb are good, no question.
Seattle has 4 or 5 starters that can keep up with Webb/Snell
Correct!
Tell – Sorry man, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t assume Snell will continue to be as dominant as he’s been since July 1st while ignoring Webb has sucked during that same period.
You want to ignore all pre-July stats? Then fine, 3 of the Top Ten MLB SP since July 1 pitch for the Mariners. They have the best rotation right now, hands down.
Canuckleball, Don’t belittle victories over the A’s. They’re hardly a little league team. They scored more runs in the month of July than any other MLB team, going 15 and 9. And they’re 2 and 0 in August having beaten the Dodgers last night.
‘Birdsong and Harrison have done well but aren’t locks to continue’ – and who exactly IS a lock to continue, at anything, on the entire planet? The same could be said for Seattle’s “4 or 5 starters”. And the little league team of which you speak scored more runs than any other MLB team in July. They ain’t the same team they were for the first half.
By that logic, you can’t say for certain that the Giants have the best rotation or will have the best SP performance through the end of the season because everything is just random and there’s no way to make predictions since nothing is certain to continue.
Stop coping. The Giants won’t make the playoffs and they definitely don’t have the best rotation in baseball
It’s called an opinion. It SHOULD go without saying that of course nothing and nobody is a lock, but in MY opinion, while scouring current stats, the Giants have the best rotation in MLB.
lmao
Giants fans and Blue Jays fans in a race to see who can be the most delusional
Tell – Pick a lane, dude …. first you said recent performance is all that matters, now you say recent performance doesn’t ….. can’t have it both ways.
The best answer is to use a mixture of BOTH …. look at their 4-month numbers, but also look at their past month’s numbers.
It’s great to be excited about Snell, but nobody else in your team’s rotation has helped earn the “greatest rotation on the planet” label.
You remind me of Red Sox fans at the end of April, they thought Bailey was a God because the Red Sox rotation had a MLB-leading 2.00 ERA to start May.
How do you think that worked out since then?
The A’s will be ready to compete during their three or more years in Sacramento. They are closer to a 0.500 team than people think. Unless they go and trade their better players away again in the off-season.
That “little league team” was/is one of the top offenses in baseball in the last month or so. Give Ray some more time before bad mouthing him. And in his start against the Reds today was pretty good and he got the win. He is looking pretty dang good for someone who hasn’t pitched in 1-1/2 years. So at this point in time the Giants’ staff is pretty good.
I think the mariners staff is a no brainer over the giants. Phillies too. If the padres get musgrove back healthy, let alone darvish, their staff looks better as well.
I’m waiting to hear from the geniuses – some write for this site – that said Snell (and Montgomery) did not need Spring Training because they’re veterans who “worked out in the offseason.” Snell is finally rounding into form. In August.
Congrats Blake on the no-hitter.
Citations, please. Otherwise it’s just more tiresome unfounded innuendo.
Boras used to boast his guys had full access to some camp he had setup somewhere few years back for use during the offseason. Not that believe it’s any better than some players who will train at their collegiate alma matter during the offseason and other places.
The missing of ST nearly always hurts players regardless. There were writers and posters here and elsewhere saying the opposite with regards to Snell, Montgomery, Bellinger and others. Pitchers usually suffer the most.
Montgomery still is doing awful, saw a game this wk where he was hit for 6r in the 1st inning vs washington.
4 games back and having to leapfrog 3 teams. Giants arent winning a thing. Snell opts out, not eligible for QO and he walks for nothing. All that means is Farhan missed a golden opportunity to sell like he did with Bumgarner and Smith in 2019.
No. “Nothing” is just negative opposition fan talk by folks who take their fantasy baseball record too seriously.
The team gets the opportunity of a playoff push. The fans get the excitement of a playoff push. The journey is something. It’s not all about the final destination.
Could not agree more. I had just as much fun watching the Giants lose in front of 1500 fans in the 70s as I do now. It’s about the love of the game, that there’s always hope for tomorrow, that it’s summer and there’s always something exciting, win or lose. It’s about seeing a kid’s first MLB appearance or an old timer playing his final games. Or, it’s about being miserable every moment of every day because Farhan didn’t sign every single free agent for billions of dollars. I choose the former.
Great choice. Respect.
amk1920, What an expert you are on things you can’t possibly know. You have no idea what the offers were for Bumgarner, Smith, or Snell. You ignore the modest returns that other rentals have brought, and assume the offers were good to fit your narrative.
You also can’t know whether or not the Giants can make the PS. Plenty of teams, farther behind the Giants are now, have caught up and made the playoffs. The 1995 Mariners were 11 games back in August, and won the division. The 2006 Twins were 9 1/2 games back on Aug 1, and were a WC, and in 2003 they were one game under .500 on 8/2 and won their division. The 2021 Cards were 3 games back of a WC spot on 9/11 and went to the PS.
There are plenty of other teams that made late season surges. More than I care to list. Do you really expect the Giants to just quit only 4 games back with 51 games to play?
Dodgers paying Ohtani $70 million to be a DH. ….. Dodgers cannot overcome Blake Snell and Logan Webb to beat Giants in a Playoff series. … SMH ….
C’mon man, think! The Braves & dodgers have the 2 wildcards locked and the Giants have to jump over the D-Backs, Cards, Mets, Pirates for one spot. The Giants do NOT have the best rotation!
2 rookies who have never pitched a full season. A guy coming back from TJ, etc. they are NOT making the Playoffs.
Farhan blew it and committed malpractice, again, for not trading Snell! Who will be gone next year…for top prospects that could be here for the next decade!
I will take my chances with the Giants starting rotation over the next couple of months.
Well, your chances will end up taking you then!
Boy do I love screen capturing. This suspect this post won’t wear well. But we shall see.
Actually, on October 1st, you will remember only that post. Then, when Snell opts out you will remember it again. When he signs somewhere else, you will then too. That post will be engrained on your brain every time you think Giants will succeed under Farhan!!!
Sounds like you’re hypnotizing me! Haha!
You are getting sleepy. Your eyes are getting heavier.
So I guess the Padres overtake the Dodgers? That is the only way in your mind that the “Dodgers and Braves have the wild cards wrapped up”. Come on man. Think. Lol
Obviously you don’t watch the NL West aa2000
Here is the problem for the giants. They have won 6 of 7 and have gained a whopping .5 game.
It’s the problem with so many teams ahead of you. Also they haven’t played a real team since being smacked by a depleted dodgers squad.
Cup cake time is nearly over. When they don’t make the playoffs, by any amount of games it will be a mistake not trading snell. He sure in the hell isn’t opting back in.
Correct!
Nice SP and losing games 2-1 or 1-0 isnt the best recipe for leapfrogging the other six hot teams ahead of you in the WC chase though. Lack of hitting isn’t to be ignored.
Pitching isn’t the Giants problem, it’s finding consistent offense that is the bigger issue. In their last 6 games the Giants have left 42 runners on base. That’s alot of traffic going nowhere. Fact that they are dead last in MLB in steals doesn’t help.
You’re spot on there Rsox. So frustrating how they just refuse to steal. It’s been that way for like 20 years! But even without all the clutch hitting and SBs, they’re in the hunt. If they start bringing those runs across they will leapfrog into the playoffs, if not, they won’t.
Rsox, True, they do have trouble getting guys in. But there’s a flip side to that. They seem to be able to get a lot of runners on and in scoring position. They’d be an easy pick for a WC if they were better at scoring those runners.
They’re above league average in BA and OBP. Some of it is the park though, as indicated in their being below league average in OPS, but above in OPS+.
More contact hitters and less big power/big swing and miss hitters would solve that
So missing the playoffs and then losing Snell for a big fat nothing is somehow better????
I never thought they were really serious about trading Snell. It wouldn’t have lowered the payroll enough to matter because so much of his salary this season is a signing bonus. San Fran’s rotation is pretty good at the top with Webb and Snell now pitching like 2nd half Blake Snell does but beyond that Harrison and Hicks are big durability question marks and Robbie Ray is coming back after a long layoff and from start to start you don’t know what you’re getting. I really think Philly and Seattle have superior starting rotations although pretty quietly San Fran has put together a pretty good bullpen. As you said the offense needs to step up.
I was watching the Giants game and thought after first inning it would be a special start for Snell. Had no idea that it would be that special. Giants still like the teams of the late 2000’s early 2010’s, only win if they give up 1 or 0 runs. LOL
Looks like he’ll be opting out.
I like hearing him say to the chatter about being traded that he wanted to be here. I’m banking on him seeing the fan love and the way this year started had left a sour taste to the process of Boras. This point in career they should just tack on two more years at same price and make him opt in now.
Pogo- snell has trouble to adjusting to new environments. He didn’t want to be traded because he is fragile mentally.
He wanted to stay with the giants because he just got comfortable and wants to pitch well the rest of the year so he can cash fat checks in the future. Snell was ripping the giants just a month ago about the handling of his injuries.
Unless the giants write him a very fat check next year he will be gone. He has zero loyalty to the giants.
Simm. I follow the Giants fairly closely and didn’t see where he “ripped” the Giants. In fact I saw an interview where he said he really liked the Giants organization because they really care for their players. Curious where you saw him rip them.
@pogo They can’t “make” Snell do anything!
He’s 31, I doubt he’s looking to take a 3 year deal if he finishes on fire.
Who knows how it will shake out but my guess is he’ll at least try the market again and be looking for 5-6+ years.
I agree. Everyone just assumes he opts out. He likes where he’s at and 30 mil is a pretty good chunk to pass on. Giants will make him an extension offer if he pitches well the rest of the way.
A one year deal is not anything decent for Snell, that was a worst case scenario clause that he would only exercise if he had a poor 2024.
@mab51357 At his age and with him not being eligible for a QO this time around if he does in the second half this year what he usually does in the second half he’s gonna want a multiyear deal.
Once again to clarify. What I mean is the Giants can add years/money to the contract he has now and before him opting out.
And what I mean is he’s a Boras client so he’s going to want to go to the open market so as to force the Giants to up their ante.
… Or Giants could re-worked Snell’s contract make him stay in the Bay Area…
Another year older Snell will be lucky to see 5/125-135 deal and will he be stupid enough to decline another longer term deal as he is not getting the 7/210 he will be looking for.
If he makes all of his starts down the stretch. Averages 93+ pitches per start. And has an ERA of 3.40 and under from today forward. He will probably be the first pitcher off the board at the 5/150 that the Yankees reportedly offered last year
His contract depends on how he pitches the remainder of the year, how well and how deep he pitched in every game.
Oh do tell us how much of a genius you are CB,….we’re all on pins and needles waiting for your wisdom and insight to enlighten us all! Smh lol
I just have a problem with the lack of urgency to sign when you know who you are and start slow. He should have been more ready to sign for that money. Boras should be blacklisted for his detriment to last years deadline. Okay that’s harsh but you know what I mean.
Orioles may regret not going big with the Giants
Do you think they would’ve given Mayo for Snell? I wonder.
No way the O’s trade Mayo for Snell with the opt-out. I don’t think they’d have offered anything close to that.
He isn’t worth mayo for two months but what is he worth opting out…nothing.
Tell It Goodbye
Nah, Orioles would hold the Mayo
Two time Cy Young winner and first time in his career he pitched eight innings in a game.
Jeez Louise…..
Fangraphs highly underestimates the Giants probability to make the playoffs at 12.8%. They have a relatively easy schedule, plenty of games left against the Padres, and a few left with AZ, while the Braves, Pirates and Cardinals are fading and falling apart down the stretch.
No they didn’t. The giants just aren’t good and have been playing teams with along records. They had a healthy pitching staff vs a depleted dodgers team and got spanked.
The giants are just not that good.
You put a lot of importance on one game. More than an experienced fan would. The Dodgers do seem to have the Giants number winning 9 of 13, but most of those losses were in Apr. and May.. Since 6/28 they’re 3 and 3..
Plus the Giants have done okay against some of the better teams. They’re 2 and 1 against ATL, HOU, and MIN. They’re 4 and 2 against NYM, and 4 and 3 against SDP.
And they’re a better team now than they were early.
They just lost 3 of 4 to the depleted dodgers team. Giants fans are taking way too much stock into beating bad teams. They will be 5 out again by the end of the night. There are promising things that may come from this season but the playoffs won’t be one of them.
The Giants are 3 and 3 against the Dodgers since 6/28. In that last series, they lost 3 of 4, but it could have easily been 2 and 2. The Dodgers outscored the Giants in that series 17 to 16. You make it sound like they got blown away.
Every team has games they could have easily won and didn’t.
That means absolutely nothing.
You have to beat the “bad” teams too.
I agree, I would put the Giants chances at about 1 out of 5. But that still means 80 percent they miss out.
Kevin Cash called melvin in the sixth and demanded Snell be pulled
Maybe Eric Wedgie is more likely to call a Melvin on shorts notice
Congratulations to Snell for the no-hitter.
For all the people who still bring up ‘if he opts out they get nothing’ who’s to say they don’t re-sign him? It’s been reported by several Giants outlets he asked to NOT be traded and they acquiesced. He seems to be pretty happy here lately by all reports/reading his body language. If they end up re-signing him I think holding on to him is a significant factor
Agree. I saw him interviewed, and though no player is ever going to say he doesn’t like playing where he is, when Snell talked about how happy he was in SF it sounded genuine.
There’s also the ballpark. Scotty is going to be very busy this off season. There’s financial sense in another year racking up numbers at Oracle.
@Gmen777…
“who’s to say they don’t re-sign him?”
Who’s to say Snell wouldn’t have come back if the Giants HAD traded him?
“It’s been reported by several Giants outlets he asked to NOT be traded and they acquiesced.”
You never let players make front office decisions.
“He seems to be pretty happy here lately by all reports/reading his body language.”
Padres fans said the same thing last year.
Snell is at the point in his career he is chasing the $$$’s. Giants could give him the dollars.
That doesn’t mean the could if they traded him.
This is the giants fm trying to keep is job. He has already basically said Soler was a bad signing by trading him. Who did he add at the deadline??? Canha?
Unless he traded snell for a high end prospect then there was no way to justify the signing.
Desperate
LFGSD619,
“Who’s to say Snell wouldn’t have come back if the Giants HAD traded him?”
I can only think of one instance when a player traded away at the deadline signed back with the original team. Players generally don’t like to be traded. It completely upsets their lives.
“Who did he add at the deadline?”
It was documented here at MLBTR that Zaidi, didn’t see anyone available that would make much difference, and that he was generally happy with the roster as it was.
“Padres fans said the same thing last year.”
Different situation. SD was trying to get below the tax threshold. The Giants have the money to sign anyone.
@Jean Matrac…
I can only think of one instance when a player traded away at the deadline signed back with the original team.”
1. There’s plenty more than one. Jason Hammel, Aroldis Chapman and Jeurys Familia to name 3.
2. Every single one of those players that was traded during a contract year and then did NOT come back still would have left if they hadn’t been traded. That’s right. Every one.
“Players generally don’t like to be traded. It completely upsets their lives.”
They like getting a legitimate shot at a ring and being ineligible for a QO more (although Snell is already ineligible).
“The Giants have the money to sign anyone.”
Yes and that would still be the case if they traded Snell.
I can do this all day friendo.
LFGSD619
I was referring to Chapman. So, wow, you came up with all of two additional instances. Familia, the most recent was 6 years ago, Chapman was 8 years ago, and Hammel was 10 years ago. So over a span of 10 years 3 guys re-signed with the team traded him. That’s real convincing.
How many guys have been dealt at the deadline over the last 10 years? According to MLB.com 32 deals were made on 7/30/24 alone.
“The Giants have the money to sign anyone.”
“Yes and that would still be the case if they traded Snell.”
Now you’re deflecting. Your point was that SD fans talked of extending Snell, not trading him and re-signing him. There were reasons why Snell was not extended by SD, but can be by SF. It had nothing to do with trade/re-sign.
@Jean Matrac…
“So, wow, you came up with all of two additional instances.”
Still 3 more than you’ve come up of instances where a player refused to sign with his original team specifically *BECAUSE* they traded him. And there are other, more recent ones. Those were just the first 3 I came up with.
“So over a span of 10 years 3 guys re-signed with the team traded him. That’s real convincing.”
And over that 10 year span not a single player has refused to sign with a team specifically *BECAUSE* they traded him.
“How many guys have been dealt at the deadline over the last 10 years? According to MLB.com 32 deals were made on 7/30/24 alone.”
And every single one of them that didn’t go back to the trading team would have left anyway had they not been traded.
“There were reasons why Snell was not extended by SD, but can be by SF.”
There are also reasons why they could have traded him then brought him back. By your own admission he has spoken highly of playing there and they can afford to sign him.
Again. Until you can name even ONE player who refused to sign with a team specifically *BECAUSE* they traded him, your entire argument means bo didly squat.
I have a feeling I’m gonna be waiting a while for that player who refused to sign with a team specifically *BECAUSE* they traded him lol.
The padres in 2023 basically did the same thing the giants did this deadline. They were 4 games back had just won some games right before the deadline and decided to play the season out.
The odds said they likely wouldn’t make the playoffs and they didn’t. The problem is when the odds are not great teams don’t want to trade the farm to add. The Padres needed a starter because of injuries and add 99 year old rich hill who was terrible. Who knows if they would have got someone better if they could have made it.
Giants basically did the same thing. Added zero value at the deadline. Now they just hope everything aligns and they somehow squeak in.
The padres could have traded snell last year and others. Which they should have but they also had a dying owner so they rolled the dice.
Teams that trade players rarely resign them. It’s not because the player is mad it’s because most of the time the team doesn’t want to bring them back. Snell’s problem is he sucks so bad the first couple of months it puts your team in a hole. Then when he is good he usually doesn’t go deep into games so he kills your pen. So while he has ace stuff and can get ace numbers it’s not the same as having and ace you can count on. This is why he wasn’t able to get the deal he wanted.
Go look a little over a month ago when snell was on the IL. Complaining that the giants wanted to rush him back and him complaining about it. Every single giants fan wanted to fire him into the sun. Now he is pitching great and everyone is glad he is there. As a padres fan who watched him for 3 years this is how every single padres fan felt at some point every single year he was here.
That’s now 4 straight years of this. So it’s not likely to change next year.
LFGSD619,
Reading comprehension and simple math are important things. No, you did not come up with 3 more instances, you came up with 2, since we both cited Chapman.
“And there are other, more recent ones.”
So name them. Can you come up with 2 more? 7 more? Even if you came up with an additional 7, that’s still only 10 out of what’s probably well over 300 trades.
No one knows, especially you, the reason why players traded at the deadline didn’t re-sign with their original team. Because one thing I know for sure, is that no player is ever going to say publicly that they refused to re-sign because they were traded.
No one cares how Padre fans felt. It means nothing to what’s happening now. Stop using them as the reason to hate on Snell. They aren’t the fountain of truth of knowledge. Just fans
@Jean Matrac…
“No, you did not come up with 3 more instances, you came up with 2, since we both cited Chapman.”
Actually you didn’t cite Chapman. You said after I said his name that he was the one you were thinking of but I mentioned him first. He is the most prominent free agent to do it.
“So name them. Can you come up with 2 more? 7 more?”
I can name ten players who signed with a team that traded them for every one player you can name who refused to sign with a team specifically *BECAUSE* he was traded.
“Even if you came up with an additional 7, that’s still only 10 out of what’s probably well over 300 trades.”
What I’m saying is the other 290 still would have left if they hadn’t been traded.
“No one knows, especially you, the reason why players traded at the deadline didn’t re-sign with their original team.”
Actually I do.
“Because one thing I know for sure, is that no player is ever going to say publicly that they refused to re-sign because they were traded.”
Oh and why not? What exactly do they lose by doing that?
@foppert We’re not hating on Snell (or at least I’m not). I’m just pointing out that Padres fans were saying the same thing a year ago about Snell wanting to spend the rest of his career in San Diego that Giants fans are saying today.
@Simm The reason players rarely re-sign with teams that traded them is the specific and rare circumstances required for it to even have a CHANCE of happening. Namely…
1. The team has to have an already-established good relationship with the player.
2. Contending has to not work out for the team in the current season.
3. The team has to plan on contending next year and the years after that.
4. The team has to actually be interested in bringing the player back.
5. Most importantly, the team has to be able to afford to bring the player back.
Blake Snell and the Giants absolutely meet stipulations 2, 3 and 5. Not sure about 1 and 4. But if any one of those stipulations is not met then there is no chance of this happening. If all 5 are met then trading the player has not shown to put the team at any kind of disadvantage in signing the player.
Awesome. Too bad it’s relevant to nothing.
Giant fans aren’t saying that.
They are saying he mightn’t opt out.
It reeks of opposition fans trying way too hard to rain on the tiny little parade Giant fans might have going on. It’s lame.
LFGSD619,
Now you’re just being childish. You don’t name those 10 players for one reason alone. You can’t.
And you know damn well that virtually no player is going to say he didn’t sign with his old team because they traded him. And why not? Players don’t want to bad-mouth any team, because guys that would do that run the risk of appearing to have a bad attitude. PBOs and GMs relate to the issues of other teams more than they relate to the issues of players.
@foppert2 The opt put is going to come down to how he does down the stretch.
@Jean Matrac…
“You don’t name those 10 players for one reason alone. You can’t.”
I will when you name a player who refused to sign with a team that traded him specifically *BECAUSE* they traded him. This should be easy for you. You have earned a grand total of zero assumption of good faith here so until you start naming those players I won’t either.
“And you know damn well that virtually no player is going to say he didn’t sign with his old team because they traded him.”
I don’t know that that’s a thing that I necessarily know.
“Players don’t want to bad-mouth any team, because guys that would do that run the risk of appearing to have a bad attitude. PBOs and GMs relate to the issues of other teams more than they relate to the issues of players.”
Why would that matter if they already know they’re not going back to that team anyway? And if GM’s already know players hate being traded?
It won’t be the only thing but it will absolutely be a factor. So why is everyone so certain how it is going to go ?
How many players in the history of opt-outs have not done what the money says they should have done with the opt-out? Besides AJ Burnett and Nolan Arenado, I can’t think of any. And it hasn’t been for a lack of opportunity.
LFGSD619,
It’s a little dimwitted to say the only way to know if a player wouldn’t re-sign with a team that traded him is if he publicly said so. It ought tell you something that no player to my knowledge has ever done that. You might think there’s was actually a reason for that.
Plus, none of these players are so shortsighted that they would bad-mouth a team thinking only about that team, and one season.
Clearly you just don’t get it that despite bad feelings a guy might have for a team, he’s not going to voice that and appear to future employers to have a bad attitude.
@Jean Matrac
“It’s a little dimwitted to say the only way to know if a player wouldn’t re-sign with a team that traded him is if he publicly said so.”
There are other ways. Like if he signs with someone else for less money than what the team that traded him is offering.
“It ought tell you something that no player to my knowledge has ever done that.”
Yeah because it isn’t true. Players don’t hold being traded against their former team in contract talks.
“Clearly you just don’t get it that despite bad feelings a guy might have for a team, he’s not going to voice that and appear to future employers to have a bad attitude.”
How does it give him the appearance of having a bad attitude if it’s such common knowlwdge that players hate being traded as you claim?
All those things are still true. The Giants paid him 32m this year to have 5 good starts. Meanwhile there season is circling the toilet bowl.
You pay that kind of money expecting an ace for the year. At best they will get half a season and that’s if something doesn’t change again.
Why does everyone assume Snell leaves the Bay in the off season? SF has just a good of a chance to sign him as anyone. The team has the capability to spend and bring him back.
Giants could sign him for sure. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have traded him. Now perhaps the offers were dog water. Though this smells more like the giants gm trying to say…see spending all this money should have worked out please don’t fire me. If he traded snell he would have been admitting defeat.
Other than Snell not being traded, what is giving off that smell ? The fact that he surprised everyone and clearly admitted defeat on Soler ?
They would also have just as good a chance to sign him if they HAD traded him.
LFG- exactly you only keep him if you’re trying to justify signing him to start with. At the end of today the giants will be 5 out again. It’s a very flawed team.
Simm,
“At the end of today the giants will be 5 out again.”
They lost to one of the best pitchers in baseball by 2 runs. Hunter Greene is tied with Seth Lugo for 4th in WAR for pitchers with a 4.5. The Giants can still win the series. How about a modicum of proportionality?
And your point is they should have lost? The giants could have won if their best starting rotation in baseball didn’t give up 5 runs.
My point is that they are still going to lose games. When you are behind so many teams you have to have a lot of things go your way to even pick up ground. The last 10 games the giants are 7-3 and still lost a game in the standings during that time as the padres and dbacks are 8-2. Even if one of them wasn’t as good then you have the Mets .5 games back.
That’s before you add in them having to pass the pirates and cards as well. It’s one thing to be 4-5 games back of a single team. It’s a lot harder to gain ground when there are so many teams ahead of you.
I never said the Giants were going to make the PS. All I said was it’s not guaranteed that they won’t.. My point was that they’re still close enough that they shouldn’t throw. in the towel. Any team, with a mathematical chance has the ability to have an 8 or 9 game win streak to clinch a spot, and the Giants might be that team. No one knows.
Simm,
Plus, I never said the Giants had the best rotation in baseball.
Your take is factually incorrect. When a player isn’t on your team you lose the right in-season to negotiate with him. All things equal the team a FA plays for does have an inside advantage.
Snell did not have a great first trip thru free-agency, some of the market dynamics that were in place last season will still be there in the 2024-25 off-season in some degree. I have no clue whether Snell requires top $ or how much location plays a role (he’s a new father his family is in Seattle) or his relationship with Melvin etc. but had they traded him they’d have to wait in line with 29 other teams to talk to him.
@sfjackcoke Dude he’s a Boras client! They’re gonna have to wait in line with 29 other teams to talk to him anyway! There is no evidence that the team a FA plays for has an inside advantage to signing him and even if they did, it would only be marginal. The prospects they could recoup/money they would save by trading Snell is exponentially more valuable.
Isn’t it a possibility that the Giants could be talking to Snell about extending at anytime between now and end of season. If so, that is an advantage. Yes or no? I doubt that being the case but it is also possible.
He’s a Boras client so not all that bloody likely.
You made a post and I pointed out the inaccuracy of your take. So first you said “there’s no advantage” and now it’s “marginal” Technically every guy who has ever signed an extension in front of free agency is evidence.
I get he’s a Boras client and I also pointed out last year was a disaster for Snell (and Boras) in FA this years market has uncertainties. Some teams in CBT hell, some teams still impacted by the RSN debacle. Most importantly neither you or I know what Snell is thinking is what are his priorities in this contract, we’ll all find out soon enough.
I will say this, this is not Rondon part 2, SFG wanted zero part of that guy long term
Padres fans said the same thing about Snell last year and guess what? He signed with a division rival.
What the thought of extending Snell really comes down to, whether you realize it or not, is money. You are trying to keep Snell off the open market so that you don’t have to be in a bidding war. Or failing that, you are hoping Snell likes it enough in SF that he is willing to sign with them even if they aren’t *THE* highest bidder. The question is, will that actually happen? And if it does, how much money would the Giants save on the contract? What I’m saying is the money they’d have saved by trading him now (plus the surplus value of whatever prospects they could have gotten for him) is worth more.
Padres are one of those teams impacted by the RSN situation so much so they TRADED Soto. Snell was never a possibility to resign with SD, SD took the QO compensation and went back to dealing with a crappy situation not of their making (Ballys). The situations in SD and SF are in no way similar.
There was nominal $ to be saved trading Snell, MLBTR documented that exhaustively here, not gonna repeat it.. In the end no one made an offer SFG felt was enough to move Snell and by extension punt on their 2024 season.
So the SFG will playout 2024 hoping their staff pitches to their ability and they make a run to the playoffs. SFG have a far better October roster than they do a regular season roster and the playoffs are lucrative for teams
If Snell remains healthy and pitching at a high level expect the SFG to talk to Boras/Snell. No one knows what Snell wants or is prioritizing, we will all find out. Heavy odds that he opts out but a possible extension is not 0%.
MLBTR has just gotten past the trade deadline and hasn’t started yet their content on the 2024-25 off season. Understanding who is in CBT hell, whether there’s any further resolution to the RSN situation is all informative. This off=season there is not only the normal FA class but a host of players with opt outs. Economics is still supply and demand. Snell’s market is already small, less than 10 teams right? Only other factor here is has Snell insured himself or does he carry some injury risk? In the end more questions than answers, easier to just watch and enjoy the remainder of the season.
@sfjackcoke If what Padres fans were saying a year ago were in fact true the “RSN situation” would not have stopped them from signing Snell.
$10.6m is by no means “nominal.” Not to mention eliminate the risk of him tanking down the stretch and opting into $32m that he isn’t worth.
The Giants’ 2024 season is already sunk, with or without Snell.
They can talk to Boras all they want that doesn’t mean he’ll forego the open market. He basically never does.
Agents work for players, if presented with an offer Boras is required to bring it to Snell
Your replies are just nonsense. MLBTR went into great detail on Snell’s trade candidacy with tons of details on the $ and you’re wrong. It’s like you don’t read the content, you just troll the comments.. MUTE
@sfjackcoke Just because the agent works for the player and not the other way around doesn’t mean Boras isn’t a factor.
Snell is owed $5m for the remainder of the season. So I was wrong about that. Still not what I would call “nominal.” Especially when they aren’t going to make the playoffs either way. And my point about trading him eliminating the risk of him tanking down the stretch and opting in still stands.
You’re the troll if you’re saying stuff like “MUTE” on here.
No one knows where Blake Snells head is at. Sometimes, not even Blake.
Exactly, I have watched this dude for 3 years. Every single game and there are padres fans that didn’t want him back even after a cy young season.
He has great stuff but has some mental issues that keeps him from performing consistently over a full year. He is so good he can win a cy young after tanking for 2 months. The problem is he still tanked for three months screwing your team.
Simm
“…there are padres fans that didn’t want him back…”
As evidenced by the comments on MLBTR the opinions of fans are useless.
Still waiting for those names of players who refused to sign with a team specifically *BECAUSE* they traded him.
On July 25 the Padres’ Dylan Cease threw a no-hitter against the Nationals. It was the second no-hitter in franchise history.
In his last three starts Cease has given up just three hits total. In his next game Cease beat the Dodgers 8-1, giving him four wins in a row.
Since MLBTR chose to write about Snell’s no-hitter while ignoring Cease’s, I thought I would do the work for
them. And, yes, I know it was nine days ago, but a no-hitter is forever.
Sorry to learn of the injury to Michael King’s baby cow.
Why does MLB allow players to bring their baby cows onto the field?
More often than not, that results in a CALF INJURY !!
Depth to fill in due to Michael King being out to tend to his baby cow,
the team could always just turn to……………………………………………….
JOE KING !!
Do not get it. Must not know the inside joke!
Time for the old song Musgrove love to be sung again!
Hey Giant fans: Has your stadium warmed up yet? Do you still sell out all the Time? Are you going to gain fans when the A’s leave? Are you going to conten?. This inquiring Brewer Fan wants to know!
Oracle isn’t warm, but it’s still much better than the ‘Stick. It’s the days that are beautiful in SF, not so much the nights.
They don’t sell out all the time, but still draw well, Last I looked they were 8th in attendance.
As for A’s fans, I have no idea, but I’d guess not many, and probably not right away.
I also don’t know if they’ll contend. It’s possible. They’re playing better now, the rotation has been bolstered, and the teams they’re chasing aren’t exactly lacking flaws.
Thank you! I do appreciate you having aa good time in responding to both my questions and sarcasm. I do admire you guys as fans!
To all the Giants fans trying to defend not trading Snell and saying it doesn’t matter if he opts out because they can afford to re-sign him would that not also be the case if they HAD traded him?
Based upon what the Giants paid and what Snell has done, Snell needs several more quality starts to say that he was worth it. Of course, if they make it to the World Series then you can argue that he made a difference, but what if they had spent that money on a bat, that might have helped too, if they picked wisely (not Brett Wisely).