1:20pm: Also among the cuts were head athletic trainer Lee Meyer and strength & conditioning coach Brendan Verner, per Mish and Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. None of the coaches being dismissed were under contract for the 2025 season, per the report. Still, an overhaul of this magnitude is borderline unprecedented in recent big league history.
11:40am: The Marlins are gutting their coaching staff, as Craig Mish of SportsGrid and the Miami Herald reports that the entire staff has been informed it will not return for the 2025 season. Mish notes that there are a couple “exceptions” who have been told there’s some interest in a reunion, but even that’s dependent on the hiring of the incoming manager and any preferences that person may have. Specifically, Daniel Alvarez Montes of El Extra Base reports that bench coach Luis Urueta and first base/outfield coach Jon Jay have been told there’s interest in a reunion, pending the managerial search. Both will be free to pursue other opportunities in the meantime, however.
All of this aligns with a report last night from Isaac Azout of Fish On First, who tweeted that the Marlins’ firings were being described to him as a “blood bath” that extended to the coaching staff, clubhouse attendants, performance staff and more.
Manager Skip Schumaker already departed the organization over the weekend. His impending exit was one of the worst-kept secrets around the league. The former big league utilityman and Cardinals bench coach was hired by former Marlins GM Kim Ng and won NL Manager of the Year honors last season in his rookie effort. His original two-year contract included an option for the 2025 season. However, after the Marlins hired Rays GM Peter Bendix as their new president of baseball operations, prompting Ng to walk away from the organization. Schumaker reportedly voiced frustration with the club’s direction — understandably so, given last year’s playoff berth — and management agreed to void the 2025 club option on his deal in order to allow him to explore new opportunities.
In addition to Urueta and Jay, today’s news presumably indicates that hitting coach John Mabry, assistant hitting coaches Bill Mueller and Jason Hart, pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre Jr., third base coach Griffin Benedict, infield coach Jody Reed, bullpen coach Wellington Cepeda, bullpen coordinator Rob Flippo and field coordinator Rod Barajas will all be at the very least free to pursue other opportunities, if not dismissed outright.
Among the group, Stottlemyre figures to be a particularly hot commodity on the coaching market. He’s spent a dozen years on big league coaching staffs, serving as both a pitching coach and bullpen coach in addition to prior stints as a minor league pitching coordinator. He’s worked with the D-backs and Mariners organizations in the past but has spent the past seven years as the pitching coach in Miami, building a strong reputation along the way.
While the Marlins have regularly been a doormat in the NL East — with the exception of the 2020 and 2023 seasons — a strong core of touted young pitching has been a hallmark of the team in recent years. Stottlemyre alone isn’t to credit for that, of course, but his influence on the staff and the organization’s pitching development as a whole is clear. Cepeda, it should be noted, has been in lockstep with Stottlemyre throughout his time in the organization. He was hired as the Marlins’ bullpen coach back in 2019. The two have worked alongside one another for seven years.
That’s not to say others on the staff won’t be coveted free agents in their own right. Urueta spent 15 years in the D-backs system, rose to their bench coach under Torey Lovullo, and has interviewed for MLB managerial posts in the past. Mabry and Mueller, in addition to lengthy big league careers, have extensive coaching backgrounds across multiple organizations. Barajas, who also had a lengthy big league career, has served as the bench coach and interim manager of the Padres and has interviewed for various managerial posts in recent years (in addition to several years as a minor league manager in San Diego’s system). Jeff Jones of the Belleville News-Democrat speculates that Jay could wind up a target of the Cardinals, for whom he played six MLB seasons — though Jay could also join Schumaker wherever he lands his next managerial assignment.
Broadly speaking, the Miami coaching staff can hardly be faulted for the disastrous record this season. Bendix spent most of the 2023-24 offseason focused on reshaping the baseball operations department and did little to augment the actual Marlins roster. Injuries waylaid much of the pitching staff, and when Miami opened the season with a significant losing streak, the front office wasted little time in waving the white flag. Luis Arraez was traded to San Diego in early May, signaling exactly what type of direction the new baseball ops staff would be taking. No manager or coaching staff could’ve spun the ’24 Marlins into a contender, and other clubs will surely be cognizant of that as they show interest in a wave of newly available coaching talent.
Coaches didnt stand a chance with that AAAA team masquerading as an MLB ballclub
AAAA team? That’s being generous.
They fired their clubhouse attendants? Why? They weren’t folding the towels properly? Ran out of toilet paper? ( Actually that would be a fire able offense). Seriously I get that they want the new manager to pick his own staff. But firing the clubhouse attendants make the Marlins look like the Mickey Mouse organization they are. Maybe they should relocate to Orlando
maybe they were getting paid decently and the new front office was like “absolutely not. let’s get some new people in here for $16/hr”.
Yes, let’s move a team from a city with little demand for baseball to… a city with little demand for baseball.
That’s some high IQ stuff right there. Manfred will be taking notes.
You didn’t get the joke. Mickey Mouse. Orlando. Disney World.
@geotheo – I liked the joke.
@geotheo—An absolute clown show
Does anyone know where to find the WAR for clubhouse attendants?
I believe they are measured by the stat GAR, Gatorade Above Replacement.
Adam Sandler has the highest GAR because his H2O Above Replacement is the best thing ever!
@geotheo
Maybe something was happening in the clubhouse that has not been made public and both the clubhouse workers and coaching staff failed to report it. That would make this a reasonable response.
I was thinking the same thing too. I was surprised by how far this went, but when you see clubhouse attendants get caught in it too, you wonder what was going on.
It isn’t like no team has never seen clubhouse attendants doing things that they shouldn’t be.
At this point, cleaning house and hitting the reset button might be the best long-term decision, even if the organizational ineptitude is not really the fault of those people. Bendix clearly doesn’t like the direction that was taken or how they were operating and who can blame him? The Marlins haven’t been a serious franchise… ever.
My sources tell me even Billy The Marlin was let go after he showed up five minutes late at his birthday party gig for Peter’s daughter.
Sounds like the Marlins are moving, with all this clubhouse cleaning. Maybe they’re going to play in Hiram Bithorn Stadium?
They’re going to raid Tampa’s organization…
Mel Jr. and Todd used to ride their bikes through my neighborhood on their way home from elementary school. Good times.
The reds could really use a good hitting coach
And you think you’ll find one from the Marlins firings?
Looks like there’s no longer a Full House of coaches in the Marlins organization.
Have mercy!
Was there ever this season??
Every night, after everyone is gone I sneak into Loandepot Park and I go pee pee in centerfield.
Better make sure that the dude who runs the Samuel account isn’t spying on you when you do that.
I wonder who will end up in Toronto when Mattingly takes over the Toronto bench early next season?
If Mattingly becomes the guy, Stottlemyre will be there yesterday.
They’re bringing in the AI robots.
Hey we have this new GM Kim Ng and she turned the team around! Let’s alienate her so she quits, and then let’s hire someone who will completely destroy everything in less than a year!
Ng did a pretty solid job in Miami and they never should have let her go. I’m not sure what possessed ownership to decide to take a different direction, but I’m betting Bendix is tearing it down at the directive of ownership and is going to raid the Rays to bring some of “his guys” over.
It’s been a very weird process, but I don’t think Bendix is the person to blame. He’s made some pretty savvy trades, starting with the return in the Arraez trade and highlighted by somehow landing Norby for Rogers.
Um, are we bacdk on idiots ignoring all of Ng’s bad moves to label her work as a “pretty solid job” again? Why do people choose the false narrative about Ng’s performance that requires ignoring her many bad moves?
At best she was a hit-and-miss GM that ended on a good note, but was a mess the first two years.
No one is in here calling her an elite GM. But people who like to point out her bad moves and only those are just cherry picking to fit their narrative of why a woman shouldn’t run a baseball team. It’s pretty clear, and these are the true idiots.
All GMs make bad moves lol what GM hasn’t made a bad signing? She got the team to the playoffs despite those bad moves because she also made good moves. There is not a single GM who is infalliable.
Well, I’ve made it clear she was filled with hits and misses, so I’ve never been cherrypicking about her because of her gender. I also celebrated her hire because we were rid of ‘Yes Man’ Mike Hill. I gave her benefit of the doubt and called out the facts about her throughout her tenure.
And I’ve also pojnted out how all of you praising her work as a GM actually is idiotic insulting to women because she should not be called a good GM because she is a woman. It sends the underlying message that her work is the best that can be expected from a female GM…which is not true. There are many women who have not been given a chance, who would be Hall of Fame GMs who can build elite teams…who will be elite GMs. Kim Ng was far from that, and should not be called a good GM because it’s simply not true because her work with the Marlins showed too much up and downs. These are facts.
Shame on people like all of you idiots that want to call her work with the Marlins good GM work because that truly is insulting to the female GMs out there who can easily do a better job than Ng did with the Marlins. I want one of those good female GMs running the Marlins. I want my team making good moves and winning championships…not signing Avi Garcia to mega deals…or thinking Anthony Bass, Dylan Floro, and the rest of the blow-any-size-lead’ squad as the Closer answers…not a GM who keeps us in twoo bad years, then have one playoff season when her garbage bullpen has a fluke season…which then resprts back to its norm the next season on Day 1 of the next season…or blowing the budget to sign two corner OFs when they needed one and then taking one of them, Jesus Sanchez, an average defensive corner OF to play CF…and many other boneheaded moves.
So, do you think her mixed bag of results should get her praise…especially since she was here three years, her bullpen blew two of those years…figuratively and literally…and they have one fluke season of holding leads…all the while she made many failed moves, had a long hiatus to make all of her self-promo grabage, and then rush to make moves just before she would have to face fans?
Do you think Ng’s performance with the Marlins is all a woman is capable of?
Why bring up gender? I never thought or suggested you were criticizing her in such a way, nor did I ever mention gender or say you were only hating on her because she’s a woman. But it’s a little telling when you bring it up and harp on it throughout a massive wall of text.
It’s quite disrespectful to assume anyone is praising the job she did because she’s a woman unless you have legitimate reason to assume so. I provided examples of transactions I thought were successful. So if you’re going to call people idiotic and suggest I’m praising her only because she’s a woman after I’ve laid out reasons I thought she was successful maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension.
Lastly, it’s not like I said she was some top GM. I actually think Bendix’s first moves have been better than the ones she made. I’m just arguing against your reasoning.
It’s a pattern with pretty much all of you who have debated us actual fans of the team. You ignore ALL of her FAILED moves. Then, as you see in one of the comments tied to our posts about this topic, you saw the other post that clearly mentioned her gender…that wasn’t from me. I was responding to that. When you come up with the same pattern as those posters, you’re right there with them because you are doing the same thing of ignoring her failed moves, then trying to make it like her being gone was a bad thing. Why would you excuse her bad moves when they hurt the team? She put together a horrible bullpen that she worked on since Day 1 (as stated by her) when she became the GM in December 2020. The bullpen she put together epically failed in 2021 and 2022 – taking many wins away from the Marlins in those years in which, if Ng’s bullpen did just an average job, the Marlins would’ve been around .500 both years. Then the bullpen had a fluke 2023, and surprise surprise, the Marlins are above .500 and make the playoffs. And the contributing parts of that playoff team was mostly constructed before she came here because many of her players were failures (Stallings, Wendle, the bullpen for 2021 and 2022, Avi Garcia, Jean Segura, etc.).
So,how can you praise her or question when Marlins fans point out her gaffes? Please explain how you can ignore what have been season-destroying moves on her part? When do we give a pass to a GM that does a poor job? What’s your reasoning behind that?
And, as I mentioned in my metaphor that perfectly describes Ng’s performance and departure, when does a blind squirrel get job security after finding a nut in the year that she was expected to be fired for leading the herd to many places that didn’t prove successful – which is what she did with her failed moves? Do you think if she stuck around this team wouldn’t have had the same season this year after her bullpen returned to their norm on Day 1 and blew lead after lead and knocked this team out of the playoff hunt 3 weeks into the season? It’s her bullpen. She wasn’t going to change it considering she changed nothing in the three years she was on the job. She probably would’ve been too busy on her self-promo tours anyway after she bullpen-fluked the playoffs to her resume.
She built her bullpen and loved it. She wasn’t going to change anything and this year would’ve been the same.
Anthony Bass can’t save even one freaking game. Let’s try Yimi Garcia! Yimi is flawed, let’s get him out of here and try Dylan Floro! Dylan Floro can’t hack it, let’s try someone else. Someone else can’t handle it, let’s try Dylan floro again! Let’s try other pieces. Oh,Tanner Scott can’t get it done, let’s try someone else. Oh no, let’s try Tanner Scott again. Oh no, let’s try someone else again. You know what, I’ll trade Bleday for that guy AJ Puk. Puk will be my Closer. Alright, Puk solved the issue and we have a Closer! Now all I have to do is add a couple of things at the deadline and we’re rolling because Puk’s got this! Uh, Puk doesn’t got this! Let’s bring in David Robertson! He’s a vet that might have something left! Oh no, that didn’t work! Hmmm…Let’s see, We can’t try Dylan Floro again…hmm…Let’s try Tanner Scott again! Alright, Tanner got us through the season. We have our Closer! Hey Peter, I’m leaving, but you’ve got your Closer in Tanner Scott! It only took him like several opportunities to do the job for us. You’ve got this! Uh oh, I’m so glad I left Miami because this April disaster by Tanner and the rest of my bullpen will be blamed on Peter because I’m gone.
Peter Bendix: Whew! I see why Sherman wanted someone to oversee her moves. This team is a wreck…especially this bullpen. Let me find some suckers at the trade deadline.
What were her big moves?
Not sure if that’s directed at me or OP but she dealt Pablo Lopez for Arraez, signed Alcantara to a long-term extension, traded for Burger, traded Marte for Luzardo, and signed Soler.
Signed Avi Garcia. Signed Anthony Bass to be the Closer. Signed two corner OFs when she only needed one, and blew the budget that could’ve been used for a real Closer. She dropped Jesus Aguilar for nothing a couple of weeks after passing on ytrade offers at the deadline for him…because she finally realized what everyone knew weeks earlier …that they had three 1Bs when they needed to try out the young one coming up. She kept sticking career, mediocre Middle Relievers at Closer while refusing to use anyone else in the role…no matter how many times her bullpen blew leads in 2021 and 2022…and her same bullpen blowing this season too.
Shall I go on about her failed moves?
Oh yeah, can we forget her neglecting her GM job after her Aguilar goof up all the way through a couple of weeks before she would have to face Marlins fans at 2023 FanFest…so she rushed to make moves prior to that. All the while, during that GM role hiatus, she never missed any of her self-promo gigs.
Yet she made the playoffs and no other Marlins GM had since 2003. Focusing on her bad moves is disingenuous.
You probably should go on about her failed moves because a few transactions you’re whining about are pretty inconsequential ones like letting go of Aguilar who was going to return a lottery ticket at best and signing Anthony Bass to a miniscule deal lmao
Yeah, Avi Garcia and blowing the budget to sign two corner OFs when she needed one was inconseuential, when we needed a Closer and bullpen help since her garbage bullpen showed they couldn’t hold anything in the years that weren’t the fluke 2023 in which they held leads they blew the previous two years…and back to form this year again. And moving Jesus Sanchez to CF, disrupting his development and disrupting Bryan De La Cruz’s development was inconsequential. And her poor draft picks were inconsequential. And her hiatus in the 2022-23 offseason until she had to face Marlins fans, was inconsequential…especially since she missed out on signing Josh Bell, and had to rush to sign Jean Segura, who she later paired with a prospect to get Bell via trade months later. All of her garbage bullpen’s blown leads were inconsequential. Yep, all of her moves were inconsequential.
Are you one of those people that thinks that women are only capable of doing what Ng did with the Marlins? It’s kind of insulting to women if you think that all that can be expected from a woman is what Kim Ng did with the Marlins. I personally feel that there are many good GMs that happen to be female…and Hall of Fame GMs that are female. I want the Marlins to hire one of them.
And let me point something out. You don’t see any Marlins fans criticizing Ng’s departure. We all remember that we entered the 2023 season fully ready to get a new GM, completely unsure how she was still employed after such a poor job. Prior to the 2023 season, it was a foregone conclusion that she would be fired…and our fan base and the many local media were waiting to get a new person. But her bullpen had a fluke season, and held the leads that put us in the playoffs.
“Yeah, Avi Garcia and blowing the budget to sign two corner OFs when she needed one was inconseuential”
Never highlighted that transaction in the inconsequential ones. I just thought it was funny you tried to slide in a 2 year/$5M signing of Bass and not trading Aguilar who probably would have returned a team’s 40th best prospect or so (who was going to pony up for a below-average offensive 1B? lol) in the same breath as signing Avi, which absolutely was a terrible signing, I agree.
“And let me point something out. You don’t see any Marlins fans criticizing Ng’s departure.”
Once again, verifiably false. You need to check more sources. I even went back to make sure I’m not crazy. Nope, I definitely still see some Marlins fans criticizing ownership for running her out.
So, you want to bash me for pointing out her flaws, but then you use the disclaimer that you didn’t highlight any of her big gaffes.
And Bass, despite the price, was a major gaffe for her because he was the guy she brought in as her answer as a Closer. Because of that, she refused to go get anyone else for that role, which led to her insane move of blowing the budget on two corner OFs when she needed one, then moved an average defensive corner OF in Sanchez to accomodate her dumb move. This was because she was so sure that the career mediocre middle reliever Bass was her Clsoer. then after that failure, she refused to go get anyone else other than middle relievers. She even refused to give any of the young arms a shot at the role – prefering to send them down when they couldn’t win a starters job. This was the effect of her Bass move…and this is just a small part I’ve mentioned.
As for you saying you see Marlins fans criticising the team for her leaving, I’m calling you out on this. Name them. Every one of the Marlins fans that come to this site do not praise her. she’s not praised in any of the Marlins sites either. She was was expected to be fired before the 2023 season started…many of us cheering at the fact that 2023 would be her last season with us. Then her garbage bullpen actually held the leads they were handed, and had the results in 2023 that they should’ve had in 2021 and 2022 when Ng’s bullpen blew everything in sight. Again, name the Marlins fans you see praising her. And don’t go look for some troll accounts that were made up on those articles that haven’t appeared before or since. I know who are us regular Marlins fans on here..that truly root for the team. Again, I’m calling you out on this.
That’s a lot of words to say “I’m sexist.”
@MLBTR- Don’t bother getting into it with this person. Either their reading comprehension isn’t there or they only read 25% of the words in a comment. I mentioned three times where to look at other opinions and they still tried to “call me out” to provide examples. Sounds like they want me to do all the work for them AND read them my comment.
It’s pretty obvious they’re too lazy to have legitimate, worthwhile discourse. They’ll probably try to have you cite examples of Marlins fans commenting negatively about Ng on external pages without evidence to make you “prove” that Marlins fans are engaging in sexism. Then they’ll ignore everything you type lol
Just another Florida Man who either lost the genetic lottery or had his mind polluted by 4chan.
@myaccount2
Not one time have you backed up your statement wth something. You just threw names of other platforms out there, but not one single bit of back up from them for your statement. From the ra I grew up in, when you want to argue something, you back it up with every bit of support. You basically threw out other platforms and expect me to do the work for you. To me, that says you’ve got nothing so you’re hoping I find it for you.
If you really have the support for your statetment, you should be able to easily pull it up. If I made the claim, I’d pull it up instead of having you go look for the support for my statements. I’m guessing you’re a millenial – yap about made up crud you heard someone else say, then when get called out on it, instead of providing the support for your own statement, you expect the person you’re arguing with to look for the support for you. I’m sorry, but I’m Generation X where we make a statement and back it up with our own work.
@MLBTR needs to hire editors
Says the man that clearly has an issue with reading a lot of words.
So ADHD leading to the inability to handle a lot of reading, is not losing the genetic lottery?
Yeah and would you believe me if I just started listing usernames? Absolutely not lol
Since you’re so lazy, here: reddit.com/r/MiamiMarlins/s/53dPsLQfND
Where are the Marlins fans supporting her? There are a bunch of non-Marlins fans posting there in support of her as clearly can be seeen. There were a couple of Marlins fans (one in Broward and the other dedicated Marlins fan) that were either just adding facts and one that basically said what I’ve often said about her mixed bag of results in her moves.
Again, where are the Marlins fans supporting her?
Name one of those that supported her there that is a Marlins fan. Name one. I’m calling you out on this again…and now with your own post that you thought supported your statement.
Seems like you failed in your own effort. But of course, you can try to have this blocked from positing like you did my other post.
Maybe you need to go look at the comments of the one guy you may be trying to use as your support. lol!
You don’t seem to understand what ADHD is. It has no connection to sane people not wanting to read long, incoherent ramblings of someone who worships a dictator.
Dictator? huh???
What a surprise that the Florida man thinks he’s on the right side of history.
the whole method since this guy took over has been destructive. the 5000 fans that attend Marlin games should be upset. Nashville would be interested. Miami is not an MLB city
I get wanting to clean house but zero continuity is a great way to alienate even more fans. It’s going to be an even longer rebuild.
Bendix belongs more in East Village, not in a Baseball Ops role. The Marlins need to hire someone that doesnt just stare at the computer all day to make baseball decisions
He made two of the best trades of the season. Why exactly doesn’t he belong in baseball?
I understand bashing Bendix, but like you sdaid, he pulled off some good trades.
I still can’t believe what we got for relievers at the deadline, and the Rogers trade is a public mugging that Bendix should be charged for grand theft for.
Yeah, I mean, for those reasons I personally don’t get it. Letting Ng go didn’t make sense to me, but I don’t think Bendix has done a bad job sense given the direction that was decided on.
Letting Ng go made sense to all of us Marlins fans and our local media that actually watch and cover the team.
Don’t you notice that no Marlins fans ciriticize the departure of Ng? That’s because we wanted her out after doing a poor job that was cited by Bruce Sherman when he decided that he wanted to bring in Bendix. Ng’s bullpen had a fluke 2023 and FINALLY held the leads they were handed. If a fluke is the only thing to hang your hat on, you don’t all of the sudden deserve job security. With your employer, if you’re the squirrel that leads your herd to places that don’t have nuts for the winter, then all of the sudden you found a goose laying golden nuts, do you really deserve job security? You don’t deserve to be fired at the moment because your last move was good, but the history speaks for itself. You certainly don’t all of the sudden deserve job security or a promotion because you happen to find that fluke thing. That’s what was the case with Ng. People can yap about 2023, but that doesn’t negate 2021 and 2022 after her hiring in December 2020, and her first job on Day 1 as she stated, was fixing the bullpen – the bullpen that blew every lead in sight for two seasons, and after Ng’s departure, blew everything in sight until the marlins were done this year. Her bullpen – competent in 1 out of 4 seasons (her 3 and the one after she was gone after their 1 fluke season). And I covered just this without making her bigger gaffes. This is why she’s gone.
“Don’t you notice that no Marlins fans ciriticize the departure of Ng?”
Nope, I certainly didn’t because that wasn’t my experience. Go look at r/MiamiMarlins threads when she was let go. Those were almost all pro-Ng. On here, it probably leaned toward being fine with her leaving but was absolutely not close to 100%.
I have not seen one single Marlins fan on these boards who was pro-Ng. When those articles were out, the only pro-Ng people were not Marlins fans. There was one troll pretending to be, but a few of us exposed him/her when their facts about the Marlins were so inaccurate that it basically regurgitated what was said on ESPN – not from any of the media that actually covers the Marlins.
I don’t believe that these boards are a reflection of any fan base as a whole. It’s too small of a sample. Like I said, expand out. Go look at r/MiamiMarlins on Reddit, go look at Fish Stripes, go look at the Marlins Fansided page. There are plenty who were good with her going and plenty who absolutely hated it.
I actually do follow those, and the vast majority of Marlins fans have no issue with her being gone, and nearly the entire fan base wanted her out before the 2023 season started.
Again, I’m calling you out. What Marlins fans you see bashing the Marlins for Ng’s departure…and as I said, the fans that have been around before and since her departure…not those fly-by-night accounts that only showed up to this and all those other sites for that one moment to post.
I’m not sure how you can follow the Marlins subreddit and not say 80% of those commenters were pro-Ng.
Also, what inside information do you have to come to the conclusion that those who supported her online are “fly-by-night accounts that only showed up to this and all those other sites for that one moment to post?” First off, you can check commenters’ history on Reddit so you can see many are regulars. Secondly, that viewpoint a) makes it sound like you’re just labeling anyone who doesn’t agree with you as “not a real fan” and b) cannot possibly be confirmed. It’s just hearsay.
I’m not sure what you mean by “calling me out.” You want me to name users? Lol. Come on, I’m not spending time going back and looking so I can list people who supported her. I saw what I saw and it’s all there still, so you’re able to look yourself if you want.
You can try to twist the truth so it fits your narrative, but I’ll never believe that such a massive number of positive comments about Ng on the subreddit and SB nation pages are fake fans who only showed up to support a woman. That’s a massive leap. Again, I don’t think Ng was some messiah. She was probably a middle of the road GM at best; however, the truth is the truth: she had plenty of support whether you agree with those people or not. I’m leaving it at that because you’re not going to convince me otherwise, nor will I convince you otherwise.
Of course you want to make the statement of so many people supporting her on another platform and not support your statement by telling me to do something that isn’t my responisbility because I’m not the one claiming that she was supported by the Marlins fan base. That was you that did that, thus your responsibility to back your claims up; not mine.
Since you don’t want to do that, then can you be fair like I have been when I talk about her performance and, when you’re making your statements, so that you have some balance, and mention her bad moves too. Don’t pretend like they didn’t happen like all of you non-Marlins fans that try to bash the team do. You want to make the statment, explain how all of her moves as a whole as Marlins GM makes her departure a bad thing for the Marlins. But I see you backtracking a little now with your “I don’t think Ng was some messiah. She was probably a middle of the road GM at best” statement now. So I’ll go on this new statement. Do you really think a team should be bashed for, as you now say, “…probably a middle of the road GM at best…”? So the thing is to bash a team for hiring someone to hold a position over “…probably a middle of the road GM at best…”? Wow, you’re going to be busy bashing every team that let’s go or makes a move that leads to the departure of “…probably a middle of the road GM at best…” Or was this you just squawking because it was the cool thing to do since it is what the national media outlets like spinning about Ng and the Marlins? Seriously, bashing a team for making a move that leads to the departure of a “…probably a middle of the road GM at best…”? My gosh! I can’t imagine what you post all the times teams have let go of good or Hall of Fame GMs.
It’s funny because you told me nobody supports her but you aren’t providing evidence of threads in which nobody supports her either. Funny coming from a Gen Xer who backs up their statements with evidence! Irony.
Wow, my comment is being blocked now?
Good job troll!
Your comment isn’t being blocked. But I noticed you’re ignoring the link I sent you!
Holy cow, I just noticed all your nonsense in the previous comment. Please learn to read. Not only was my argument NEVER that Ng was a great GM (my initial comment said “pretty solid,” I don’t know what that means where you come from but it certainly doesn’t mean “great” anywhere that I’m aware of), it was only to point out how ludicrous it is to point only to her failed moves. Theo Epstein and Dombrowski are two of the best modern day GMs and they had plenty of failures. That’s it. That was the point. You were the one who got your panties in a bunch about my take and started spewing blasphemy about how NO Marlins fans wanted her back, which is just plain false and I provided you some evidence that you’re choosing to ignore.
Look, your opinion matters zero to me. You telling me I’m backtracking even though anyone with two eyeballs who reads the thread knows I’m not means zero to me. It’s pretty obvious you just want to argue and be right even though you aren’t lol so fine, you’re right!
The Marlins are a rudderless ship with only ownership to blame. Even former baseball royalty that purchased an ownership interest couldn’t influence the managing partner to make the necessary investments to produce a consistent winner on the field. Not to mention a city that doesn’t have enough interest in the sport to support the team. The Rays have overcome a similar lack of fan support with ownership who hires outstanding baseball execs, excellent scouting, and top notch player development. And even though Bendix came from that organization, no one can overcome a lack of investment in baseball ops infrastructure. That weakness trickles down through the club and keeps it in a constant state of churn.
This is a smart idea from ownership. Because now they can rebuild the coaching staff with all new faces to fire in a few years time. Solutions are being curated here.
Whenever I see fans clamoring for a team owner to sell the team I think of the Marlins situation. A new owner does not guarantee a good owner.
True, but I have to believe that any other billionaire would, for example, be better than Jerry Reinsdorf. I can only speak as a White Sox fan, but anything would be an improvement over him.
Mark Cuban would be fun to disrupt the old boys club. But seems like he no longer has interest to buy a sports franchise as he sold his shares of the Mavericks.
If only. We kept pestering him to buy the Cubs when the godawful Chicago Tribune owned the Cubs.
YBC, this is a marvelous idea. Cuban owning a baseball team?!?!? That’s a reality show waiting to happen!
The problem is that MLB prefers ‘good ole boys’…even in Miami. They have kept Gustavo Cisneros from becoming owner when John Henry was looking to move them, but Selig, Henry and Loria pulled that shady deal off. Then Cisneros years later was joining in on Jeb Bush’s group to purchase from Loria, and again, no dice. And at the same time, Jorge Mas was turned down too when he has twice the revenue of Sherman.
It’s Miami! We don’t need a ‘good ole boy’ owner. If MLB showed right by Miami with ownership, you might even be able to assure Micky Arison that he won’t have to deal with MLB’s shenanigans, and he might buy in to run them like he does the Miami Heat.
At this point, I assume the Marlins are trying to hire coaches to hourly pay
Florida has always been, to put it nicely, mercurial. This only adds to the state’s reputation.
Micky Arison says “hi”.
Coaching staffs largely are friends of the manager or GM. Not in all cases, but fairly often.
Marlins fans should only be concerned that its possible Gabe Kapler could be the Manager next season.
I say screw it, name Jeff Conine Manager, Mike Lowell bench coach, Al Leiter pitching coach, Gary Sheffield hitting coach, Edgar Renteria 1B/Infield coach, Devon White 3B/OF/Base Running coach, Charles Johnson catching coach and Robb Nen bullpen coach. Actually even at their current ages that coaching staff still might be better than the current roster
I’ve been accepting that it will be Kapler ever since he was brought into the organization. I’d be shocked if he isn’t named as manager.
Kapler is a TOOL.
oooooh soooooo! You used the tem “blood bath.” You must be racist!
The Blueprint is teach,develop or acquire the Roger Beshens Football Slider for their pitchers. Bendix NG Farhan took that information and ran with it. Bendix is inept finding guys teaching it so they can stay on the mound. Farhan power struggles trying to implement it.
How many of the above will be working for the White Sox in ’25? In the case of Jay, might he be brought back as a player? Can you have enough veteran presence?
I’ll tell ya, I’d swap Getz for Ng in a heartbeat.
Still as long as JR is signing the checks for this team, how much is the club really going to improve?
Well, I’m wondering why a clean house wasn’t done completely before when Sherman and Jeter walked into the door? They did like a 2/3rds job when they entered, missing a major part that needed removeal then – Mike “Yes Man” Hill. They simply waited too long to have a complete shedding of the organizational guys.
Well, certain Marlins fans got their wish.