April 9: Barry Jackson, Jordan McPherson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald add some additional context to Schumaker’s contract status. Schumaker, according to the report, was frustrated by the departure of Ng, who’d hired him less than a year prior.
The Herald trio writes that owner Bruce Sherman agreed to remove the club option on the contract “as a show of good faith” after Schumaker voiced his concerns. In essence, voiding the club option gives Schumaker control over his own future if he and Bendix clash over the course of the season. Per the Herald report, there have been no issues between Bendix and Schumaker even in spite of the team’s terrible (1-10) start to the season, but the in-house expectation is that Schumaker will explore other options following the season.
April 7: Marlins manager Skip Schumaker is set to become a free agent following the 2024 season, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Schumaker was hired by the club in October 2022 to serve under then-GM Kim Ng and agreed to a two-year deal with a club option for 2025, but Nightengale reports that Miami agreed to void the option this past winter.
Schumaker, 44, is a former big league outfielder and second baseman who played for the Cardinals, Dodgers, and Reds from 2005 to 2015 with a roughly league average .278/.337/.364 slash line in 1,149 career games. Just a few short years after retiring as a player in 2016, Schumaker began his coaching career as the first base coach in San Diego for the 2018 season. He was promoted to associate manager prior to the 2020 season but departed the club prior to the 2022 campaign to rejoin the Cardinals as Oli Marmol’s bench coach.
After a year working under Marmol in St. Louis, Schumaker quickly emerged as a finalist to replace outgoing manager Don Mattingly in Miami, and eventually reached a deal with the Marlins shortly thereafter. His debut season as manager scarcely could’ve gone better, as Schumaker led a surprisingly competitive Marlins club to an 84-win season in 2023, securing the club’s first full-season playoff appearance since 2003. Miami’s surprising performance was enough to earn Schumaker NL Manager of the Year honors over fellow finalists Craig Counsell and Brian Snitker.
Since then, however, there’s been plenty of upheaval in the Marlins organization. Ng parted ways with the organization after ownership refused to offer her an extension and indicated they planned to reduce her role by installing a president of baseball operations above her. Her departure last fall reportedly upset Schumaker. The club subsequently hired former Rays GM Peter Bendix to run the club’s baseball operations department.
The club went on to make minimal additions to its roster this winter, only adding shortstop Tim Anderson on a major league deal. Slugger Jorge Soler departed for San Francisco via free agency, and the Marlins at least entertained the idea of trading Jesus Luzardo and other young starters this winter. While it’s still early in the 2024 season, the returns on the club’s inaction this winter are nothing short of awful; the club has lost each of its first nine games this season while suffering injuries to key pieces such as Eury Perez and Braxton Garrett — both of whom opened the season on the injured list. Perez will miss the entire 2024 season due to Tommy John surgery.
Given the recent changes in club leadership and the team’s struggles, it’s possible Bendix hopes to choose his own manager following the 2024 season, resulting in the team being willing to forfeit their ability to unilaterally retain Schumaker. If Schumaker doesn’t remain in Miami beyond the current season, Nightengale suggests that he could join Red Sox manager Alex Cora as one of the most attractive managerial candidates available to clubs this winter.
They probably won’t but Cardinals need to hire Skip as soon as he’s available.
Schumaker is not the problem.
This team has a literal ton of egostistic, “me 1st” players who it seems hit the field every game and play only to inflate their own numbers, forgettig, or not caring it’s a team game.
Have been watching them once again fairly consistently after last season discovering they ate some crow and rehired Tommy hutton to do color commentary.
Hutton, 1st time around and after like 15y in the boothe was shown the door for calling things as he sees them.. Mistakes, attitudes etc. not heard a peep this time and wondering how long the old school hutton will bite his tongue with this crowd the fish have put together with -0- cohesion, nor togetherness mentality.
Well, they finally make the playoffs after decades of failure and immediately push out the GM and make no investments in the team. Something tells me it’s not an issue with the current roster.
MLB needs a reform where fans get to fire owners.
MLB needs a reform where fans get to fire owners.
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From my readings on here, all 30 owners would be fired.
Jim Crane kind of fired himself by hiring Dana Brown. His signings of Montero and Abreu, as well as keeping Dusty around a year too long, probably cost them another WS shot.
Owners need to let baseball people do baseball things. Cut the checks and count your billions.
Hutton was stellar when he did color for the Blue Jays years ago.
That’s been the fins business model for as long as their franchise has existed. Never made a lick of sense to me
John – I totally agree! Attitude starts at the top, and Sherman has behaved very poorly over the years. He certainly did Kim dirty last year, I would have resigned too if I was her.
As for Cora, sure he’s lost a few pounds but still …. one of the most attractive managerial candidates? To quote my wife, “No thank you. He’s no Gabe Kapler.”
And that would be bad?
Yeah, if Skip loses his job he can go back to the family business of making schus 😉
@Dorothy
Great Googly Moogly, Dorothy
Plus are thise Schus worthy of having their heels clicked twice?
Kevin Cash is a UFA in 2026.
Kepler one year interim and voila, Miami Ray’s transformation set.
Bendix is the problem. That nerd sat in Neanders shadow the whole time
Sorry–not sure why that posted as a reply to you as it shouldn’t have. Didn’t even give me the option to edit or delete.
“Skip as soon as he’s available”… Instability in Miami is probably their biggest problem. From Jeter to Ng to Bendix in only about 5 yrs time. Teams(Anaheim Angels)that change leaders every couple of years rarely thrive because the business plan, execution and baseball strategy keeps changing.
Cardinals got lots of stability. Some would say too much stability….
The Angels had Mike Scioscia for 19 seasons with Moreno as owner for 16 of them. They weren’t exactly the pinnacle of success together.
Under Scioscia the Angels had a .536 winning percentage and made the postseason 7 times, winning a world series. I think that’s a considerable amount of success.
Marlins have had oh so few decent managers since winning the WS in ’97 under Jimmy leyland, tho they have had their share of jokes, like ozzie guillen.
Trader jack mcKeon and Fredi Gonzalez only 2 had really positive vibes on last 15, or so years. mcKeon was over 80 his last time around and Gonzalez had a murderer’s row lineup, matched with mostly zilcho pitching every year.
Sciosia won the world series before Moreno bought the team; getting to the post season 37% of the time I guess can be viewed as “considerable amount of success.” But if you compare him to managers that actually achieved a considerable amount of success during roughly the same period, I would say he falls short (Joe Torre, Bobby Cox, Bruce Bochy)
0 pennants under Moreno.
Joe Torre and Bobby Cox dominated when they had dominant teams. Torre had a bad record managing the Mets and Cardinals, and was okay with the Braves. Cox had a losing record in his first stint with the Braves. Bochy made the postseason 4 times in 13 seasons in San Francisco, and his overall record with the Giants is .500.
Are you really trying to argue that Scioscia has more success than those three? lol
The Angels new skipper, Ron Washington is an old style manager just like Mike S.
Dude, don’t u know? Ur team is supposed to make it every year.
I never said Scioscia had more success than those three. I said the Angels had considerable success under Scioscia, and added some context regarding Torre, Cox and Bochy. Torre and Cox clearly were the most successful managers of that era. Bochy was not more successful than Scioscia in terms of making the playoffs, but obviously had more success in the playoffs.
By socalbball’s standard, Ron Washington was more successful than Scoscia because he went to the playoffs 5 of his 8 years with the Rangers.
LOL saying a manager has had “considerable success” because they make the playoffs ever 3 years is an interesting take, especially in a weak AL West back then when half of those teams in a 4 team division where they got to play them an inordinate amount of times were absolutely terrible during Scoscia’s tenure.
If “making the playoffs” is the mark of success then Gardenhire (6 out of 13), Ron Washington (5 out of 8), Bob Melvin (6 out of 12), Craig Counsell (5 out of 8), Joe Maddon (4 out of 5 Cubs; 4 out of 9 Rays), Dave Roberts (8 out of 10); Dusty Baker (8 straight seasons in playoffs with 3 different teams); Joe Giardi (6 out of 10); Tony LaRussa (9 of 16 with Cards)…I mean should I really keep going? Can you not see how he’s not some great manager? They caught magic in a bottle in 2002 and he will forever have that, but he was not some considerably great manager.
Heck Bob Melvin went to the playoffs almost as many times (6 out of 12 years) with the A’s than Scoscia did with the Angels in 7 less years. Not to mention the three I already brought up, plus Terry Francona.
Exactly what I thought when I saw the headline. Would the Marlins repeat the mistake that the Cardinals made by replacing the Manager of the Year after winning the award?
Without the option it’s not going to be the Marlins choice. And from what I have read and heard he’s not happy there.
Hard to figure out the Marlin’s owner. Ng puts together a team good enough to make the PO, then she’s forced out. Bendix gets hired and he has torn down a team on the rise to one that has started 0-9. Sometimes the best move is no move.
can you describe how Bendix has torn down the team.? I dont see any one of major note traded. None of the non-tenders were major contributors and owners give him a budget to use and wouldnt be surprised if it was shoestring
Also the Marlins strength last season was what? … their pitching especially starting pitching and whom is currently on the IL … thats right 4/5 of their starting rotation they were going to carry over to the point they converted their closer to a starter.
And Pablo was given away by the previous regime.
i dont think given away is the correct word as Arraez carried the team a lot last year and was everyday player. Thats one of those rare both teams won a trade at the same time.
@Champs64: The Mets did the same thing with Showalter.
Yes.
Why, so the Cards can lose 9 games in a row too?
They’ll probably sign him to play next year.
Hey, the writer got the manager’s name right!
This is a free site that produces an extraordinary amount of content and value that is read and utilized in every circle of of baseball. The occasional typos and lack of editorial oversight when they usually have one guy covering and writing everything is more than excusable.
I have only one criticism here, and that has to do with the comments section. There are so many repetitive trollboyz that keep on popping up under new names that they need to use their tech support tools to cut them off entirely. The deGrom Texas Ranger types and the like are useless posters that simply fill up the section with hateful idiocy.
Yeah no.
I understand if they use the wrong their there they’re or have grammatical errors or have horrible punctuation. You’re right it’s a lot of content they’re covering so expect mistakes to happen.
But misspelling people’s names especially foreign born players is a matter of respect than it is caring about formal writing. They don’t do it intentionally obvious but if you’re going to check anything before publishing make sure someone’s name is at least correct and copy paste it when necessary to ensure proper spelling. Again it’s a matter of respect to put Acuña instead of Acuna for instance.
YOU made a few errors here buddy
Probably do. So what. I’m not expecting writers to write English papers in mla format.
But making sure you spell people’s names correctly is a sign of respect.
I’m sure if your name was duh-rell but people called you Darell you’d be annoyed nobody is pronouncing your name correctly. Or if your name was misspelled on things.
No. These writers aren’t volunteers. They get paid for this. Subscribers to this site pay. The least we can expect is for them to not completely screw up the name of a manager.
Nick Needs is a beast, he won’t overlook the small stuff. One of their better writers for sure.
I care about writing, grammar and presentation more than most on here, however in my view it is simply a matter of perspective.
In an era where real journalism is being forced to cut back to the bone and is no longer is able to cover important stories; where editorial oversight in the biggest newsrooms in the world has become a relic of the past; where “pink slime journalism” has become a thing, and where “alternative truths” are taken seriously by huge numbers of pathetic power seekers and their supporters, I am more than willing to relax my standards by a few degrees when it comes to a site such as this one.
I am sure that they aspire to get it right at all times, and the writers on here are more than capable when they have the time to write, rather than “post” content. Simple monetary realities have altered the dynamics of presentation, clarity and editorial oversight in the field, and a site of this nature can be excused when it comes to perfection given the purpose and structure.
Compare and contrast the editorial oversight of major news journals and coverage from years ago to today and you will see vast differences, which are a function of pure economics and the altered news cycle via the web. I am much inclined to expend no energy whatsoever when it comes to mlbtr.com given the fact that they are unlikely to have a single part-time editor as they are tasked with researching, reviewing, collecting, analyzing, writing and presenting the information that they provide, in real time and under the pressure of time-sensitive material.
lol no, Mr. Deeds is probably their weakest writer. Messes up more than all of them.
Spot on, Long Suffering!
I agree with most of your well thought out comments. However, we all need to tighten up our writing, even the posters like me. I think I even see 3 0r4 comma splices, or missed commas in your post! BTW I am a poor typist, not a bad writer! Hard to change at 69! This is why I was dependent on professional clericals for typing my reports.
When are you applying?
Enregistre?
You pay to not see the advertising. Many people who read this site do not pay and support the organization that pays the writers of the many articles. The quality and quantity of articles on this site are extraordinary and have even improved over the last couple of years.
Nice done, sir. I couldn’t agree more.
I think you mean Nick Deeds!!!
Yeah the AUDACITY to try to get you to pay for their services?! How dare they expect you to pay anything? You absolutely DESERVE a free site, with free articles and a free comment section for you to vent and complain because…
Oh yeah, why are you entitled to any of that again?
@carverandrews
i agree especially when it comes to around june to the deadline, could they do better yes they can but so can everyone else, i’m no exception im an excellent carpenter but i can still do better. like you said it’s a free site with great and excellent content, and for the most part when the writers make an error they are pretty good about fixing them (i mean major errors). as far as the “idiots/trolls” that post here yes there annoying and ruin good bb discourse, especially on any topic spicy, but my outlook on that take the good with the bad, because i’d rather scroll through there stupidity and not read past the 5th word than have the staff pay more attention to the comments section than what we’re all here for in the 1st place, and that’s some good legit rumors.
also on the side both ng and skip are getting raw deals, with ng i don’t follow the fish and she might have been put in her position to help sell seats. still what she started with and what she is turning over to the next gm she deserved a chance to either rise or fail with what she tried to build, and i hope she gets a legit chance to gm/pbo a club. as far as skip i hope the fish win the ws and when they go we want you back he gives the fish the middle finger and go “i just won the ws i can pick anywhere but this dumpster fire”
that’s not a knock on the team but a knock on the clown show you call ownership
As long as it’s free and they keep pushing out the content I’m not going to complain.
The only thing I want the to do is try to limit their opinions in articles. People read such opinion and then take it as fact. Save the opinions for the chats they do.
Just spit out the raw facts.
Lol a woman is mentioned and the comments section can’t handle it. Bunch of little fragile boys in here.
“Bunch of little fragile boys”…So we should be more like you, give ONE single woman an opportunity and then spend the next 6 months self congratulating and patting yourself on the back, right Just thinkin?
You live in an interesting reality, mlb fan–one in which people can’t have opinions without patting themselves on the back.
This subject, like other things such as politics and a certain former pitcher, can turn a bunch of grown men into sounding like total idiots.
Are you a male feminist?
Is there something wrong with being a male feminist? Feminism is about equal rights. Everyone should be a feminist.
Only a little boy would say ‘lol’.
just_thinkin3 hours ago
Lol a woman is mentioned and the comments section can’t handle it.
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LOL! Are you the first person to mention “a woman”? You throw that out there in the hopes of creating controversy where no controversy existed.
You’re very weak.
My wife is more of a fan then me!
Marlins are one of the biggest messes in baseball. That organization is run horribly and everyone who wants to be a manager should stay away from them. Same goes with the Angels and A’s.
About the A’s specifically, is there anyone in baseball being set up to fail more obviously than Mark Kotsay?
No. There’s a special place in hell for John “Nepo Baby” Fisher
I’d say not a chance. The owner doesn’t care at all about the team. Once he moves he needs to sell ASAP. He’s an embarrassment to the sport.
He’s an embarrassment to the human race
I don’t know if he’s a good or a bad manager, but I hope Kotsay gets another shot somewhere else whenever his contract ends.
You are right!
Didn’t Loria fire Joe Girardi the year after he was NL Manager of the Year? And if I remember correctly it was because Girardi allegedly gave Loria a dirty look on his way back from a mound visit.
Actually, Girardi verbally insubordinated Loria in front of fans.
And that wasn’t the only issue Girardi had. The front office at the time had to override some of Girardi’s Spring Training decisions that would’ve proven disastrous that year – like Dan Uggla in LF, Josh Willingham at Catcher where he already proved he couldn’t play, and many other messy moves. Insubordinating Loria was the final straw that could of only been overlooked if Girardi led the Marlins to a World Series championship that year because you can’t do that in any line of work.
My recollection is Girardi was trying to get Loria to stop yapping at the umpire from behind home plate
Same, Dirk. At the very least, that was my impression… according to my ever-so-failing memory.
Yeah Loria was yapping, but an employee still can’t insubordinate their boss. That’s in every line of work, whether you like it or not.
And that still was the final straw after the front office overriding some of his Spring Training decisions that I mention above.
The fact this article is predominantly about Skip but the comment section is dominated by comments about Ng speaks volumes…seems like some people want to take any opportunity to turn her position into a debate.
It’s not uncommon for executives to take at least a year off between positions also.
This is a non-story. Bendix, as the POBO, has every right to change out field managers if he so chooses. I think his approach will pay big dividends down the line. We’re an unstable organization? That’s out of necessity. Gary Denbo? Derek Jeter? Kim Ng? They’re yesterday’s news. They did absolutely nothing to improve the team. They completely neglected the scouting, drafting and player development aspects of building for the future – especially in terms of position players. They were incompetent. I’m glad they’re gone.
are you a mark for the Rays?
No. I’ve been a Fish fan from the beginning (since ’93). But the Rays are an exceptional model for success on a limited budget.
Marlins are just cheap
Yet the Marlins have multiple World Series trophies and the Rays have…?
More wins than every team since 2015 except for the Dodgers, Astros, Yankees and the Guardians, formerly the Indians.
Still looking for the World Series trophies. Every single Rays article has some dumb fan rambling about regular season success for the Rays. They haven’t WON anything. Grow up.
I respect longtime fans, not Bandwagons…
Both teams have had different ownerships over the years.. Mute point.
They haven’t WON anything. But considering they don’t draw well. They get to the playoffs more than quite a few teams. Once you’re in the Post Season Anyone can get to the WS if they get on a roll.
Did they ignore it, or just weren’t given the budget to address it better?
They (and the people under them) proved to be totally clueless when it came down to every facet of player evals. Money had nothing to do with it.
@Marlin I agree to an extent, they definitely appear to have had issues developing position players or evaluating talent when scouting them. As for pitchers though, they seem to have done quite well.
At this point the Marlins are yesterday’s news. Winless. Worst team in baseball and destined to get worse as the season goes along and more and more guys are traded away. Then the manager goes away and they start the cycle of rebuilding again with the promise that maybe in 4 or 5 years they can get blown out in the first round of the WC again.
@outinleftfield
All negativity all the time, yeah? Not me. Baseball is back, the season’s only 10 games in, and I’m having a good time. I’m at loanDepot Park (a beautiful venue) every chance I get. Personally, I believe this team is a lot more talented than you might think; there’ll be no more fire sales, no more rebuilds necessary, just a better brand of baseball. Why? Because, unlike Derek Jeter’s collection of clowns, the new front office actually seems focused on the long-term picture. So we started off 1 – 9? So the sky’s falling and all is lost? Spare me.
I see the usual ESPN schtick that non-Marlins fans do is back on here with another Marlins move that they want to bash. I’ll yawn at that now. It’s getting old.
As for this decision, I’m not sure why it would surprise anyone. Bendix would certainly want to bring in his own person. And, if anything, if Schumaker gets this team back up this year, the Marlins can give him an extension, which he would’ve been seeking even if they didn’t grant him the void of the option.
As for people trying to spin the Kim Ng garbage, you all sound like uniformed trolls. If Kim Ng didn’t have a good 2023 trade deadline, she was almost certain to be fired after the season ended, if not before. She did a poor job as our GM. You won’t find many, if any, Marlins fans that say she did a good job. She entered the job saying that she was going to fix the bullpen, and all of her moves there failed (2021 season and 2022) until the bullpen held leads in 2023…but the bullpen she built is failing again in 2024 so far (4 blown games by the bullpen with no end in sight). She did a poor job at drafting – and for those pointing to the pitchers, she inherited those pitchers when she came into the role. And let’s look at this further. Kim Ng often acted like the GM job got in the way of her self-promo stuff. Most of her time with us seemed like she was passing through until she found her ideal job in MLB – which I believe is either the role Sherman gave to Bendix or something in the MLB League Office. She took too many breaks from her job to do her self-promo stuff, which seemed to affect her performance – in the Draft, free agency, trade deadlines and Winter Meetings (2022). While she was better than Mike Hill (a rock is an improvement), she was still a GM that I would not categorize as a ‘must have’ because she had a lot of ‘hit-and-miss’ moves.
And as I’ve said a few times, the Marlins look done to me. Their bullpen looks like the 2021 and 2022 version, so we know that they won’t find any lead they can’t blow. They currently are 1-9. They had 4 games where they handed the bullpen leads that the bullpen blew. Then yesterday, they had a 10-1 lead, and it looked like one of our bullpen members still couldn’t have a clean inning and showed has the game been 2 runs or less, that game would’ve been blown too. Marlins are done. I love ’em, but us Marlins fans have seen for the last few years what Kim Ng’s bullpen that she was going to “fix” can do as far as self-destruction. Any lead less than a blowout is in jeopardy. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised they actually blow a 10-run lead one day. This might be the worse bullpen in Marlins history. If not, it’s right there with the bullpen we had with Kevin Gregg and, Fredi Gonzalez’s boy, Renyel “Ford” Pinto. Thank you Kim Ng for doing a great job at fixing the bullpen – you remember…the first task you said you would do when you were hired back in the 2020 offseason!
@BannedMarlinsFanBase
Excellent comments, as usual. And man, do I ever remember Gregg and Pinto – for all the wrong reasons. What a pair of arsonists! No lead was safe.
They have already said they are shopping 5 of their top players. Saying its pretty much a foregone conclusion that anyone they can trade they will trade.
Bell and Garcia may be stuck there because of their bad contracts combined with bad performance, but Arraez, Chisholm, and Luzardo are gone as soon as the Marlins can find a buyer.
@outinleftfield
OK, but even if what you say is true and comes to pass, Arraez, Luzardo and Jazz would bring quite a haul in return. Don’t think they wouldn’t. Win those deals and we could be looking pretty good.
Not even if. it was reported here from multiple sources. It proves my point that they are starting yet another rebuild.
Teams rarely WIN a deal. They come out even in the vast majority of trades. Other GMs are not idiots and they are not making trades just so they look active. They are doing it to make their team better and they strive to always get equal value to what they are giving up.
Get good value on those trades and the Marlins would look pretty good…in 2026-2027 after the rebuild is completed.
@outinleftfield
Who’s “they”? The media or the Marlins themselves? I have not heard any Marlins person or Marlins attributed source state the Marlins are shopping anyone, including the obvious guys like Bell, Scott and Garcia.
@outinleftfield
OK, I’ll add. Where’s “here” where it has statements from the Marlins or Marlins attributed sources stating that they are shopping guys? Again, I have not heard anything from the Marlins or the South Florida media saying that the Marlins are shopping guys.
@MARLIN POWER 18
Yeah, I don’t think any Marlins fan from those Gregg and Pinto days will ever forget those days. Those two were definitely a pair of disasters. If Batman and Robin are the “Dynamic Duo”, Kevin Gregg and Renyel “Ford” Pinto were the “Disastrous Duo”. I still remember that week on the road, which included a series in Colorado, when those two blew about 4 games in that one week – and Tommy Hutton blew a gasket on the air after Gregg blew like the third game of that week the Marlins led by 4 or more runs.
I thought we’d never have a bullpen that bad again, but Kim Ng’s bullpen seems to be on it’s way to topping it due to longevity with what will be 3 out of 4 years if this continues this year. Her boy Anthony Bass is already right there in Marlins infamy with Kevin Gregg, Renyel “Ford” Pinto and Heath Bell. The rest of this bullpen is trying to surpass the likes of Vic Darenbourg, Logan Kensing and Mike Dunn. Sheesh!
@BannedMarlinsFanBase
Darensbourg? Kensing? Mike Dunn? Plus those other guys? Holy mackerel! The nightmare bullpen from hell. With that group, if you led the league in scoring, with a team BA over .300, you’d still be struggling to finish over .500.
The fact that Schumaker and Cora are the most “attractive” managerial candidates that *may* become available says we are a far, far cry from the days of Leyland, Torre, Cox, LaRussa and even Gaston…
Schumaker was manager of the year last year. He has shown he is a good manager. Cora on the other hand …
Too many words to say the Marlins want to distance themselves from Ng and all she did…
Yeah that 0 and 9 start to the year is certainly distancing themselves from what the team looked like last year. Mission accomplished…..
You must be a casual baseball fan if you think Kim Ng is a diversity hire. She is a smart baseball person and exceptional leader who has been part of baseball front offices since the 90’s. She has her pick of jobs and is prob waiting for the right situation.
One can question whether She got enough support! But,She is Past History. Shakespeare said: What is done has been done, and Cannot be undone!
Honestly hard to tell if she was a good GM or not considering all the meddling but she still deserved the shot considering the experience.
To respond to all the “why doesn’t Kim Ng have a job “ this year- where will Bill Belichick be coaching this upcoming season? The Marlins were in the playoffs last year, first time in a real season ( 2020 doesn’t count) since 2003. She’ll be back
Why didn’t Lou Pinella get another managing job?
Why isn’t Bill Cowher getting another coaching job?
You are right. You can do that all day, doesn’t mean a thing as far as competence.
Actually the better people can choose their next gig, not just take any old job. Corporate CEOs are a year or two between jobs on a regular basis.
After Cower’s SB win, he retired from coaching because his then wife was dying of cancer
He’s had several opportunities to become a head coach again but why would he?
He’s got a cushy well paid job as a football analyst on CBS, has been enshrined in the HOF and has a Super Bowl ring
Exactly. But some folks on here would say that means he wasn’t good at his job when it is far from the truth.
All tied for the worst, ckc. They’re all frauds.
Marlins have consistently been 1 of the worst run franchises since they entered the league. How the hell did they ever win 2 WS?
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.
And a broken clock is Right twice a day
Actually, back in those days we had the best GM in baseball – Dave Dombrowski. He built those championship teams, Unfortunately, we’ve had four owners, all of them bad. However, Bruce Sherman may yet redeem himself. I think we’ll have to wait and see. Hiring Peter Bendix was a step in the right direction.
Because Bendix has done so well so far?
@outinleftfield
Too soon to tell, one way or the other. More of a gut feeling, to be honest. Let’s see what happens this year before we judge the guy.
Off to a good start
What are they, 1-10?
Yeah, I know. I can count. In truth, not exactly what I envisioned. But that’s why we play 162.
Both Ng and Schumaker will land desirable new gigs.
@cardsfan57
i don’t know enough about ng good or bad what i do know is she deserves a fair shot especially where she left the fish when she left. they started as a dumpster fire and she turnt over a respectable team that to me deserves a fair shot to either sink or swim on your own merit. with skip hopefully he comes home to stl and him an molina become a duo like tlr and papa dunc. just wish i didn’t have to hope my team has to completely suck for there to be any real change.
I’m juvenile and immature, so seeing the name, Bendix, caused me to chuckle.
Reds should fire Bell and hire him. I think he’s exactly what this team needs.
Speaking of the Marlins, why are they winning 10-1 in the bottom of the 9th and the half-inning hasn’t happened and the Marlins already had the lead in the 1st inning and never trailed since then? Is it really worth waiting to get those last 3 outs? I guess MLB is hoping that the Marlins mess up and lose 11-10?
Because that’s always been the rule?
Skip will have no problem finding a job. I might not advocate for Bell to be fired (he can only use the inadequate team he is given) but would have no problem of they hired Skip. He was a positive influence as a player there.
The genius of Kim Ng strikes again. My previous comment was deleted since it’s illegal to criticize her.
No, it’s because you’re misogynist and too dumb to know it.
Kim Ng is not involved with the team in any capacity. The fact that you need to bring her up and complain about her in an article that has nothing to do with her is why your comment got deleted.
MLBTR mods are going nuclear in this comment section
And yet Tim has the audacity to claim that the mods do not go around deleting comments they disagree with or ban accounts who criticize them on this point.
Then go comment about baseball on Truth Social, RandorBierd.
About time
They can always fall back on Philly and Giants castoff manager Gab Kapler. With only one season above 500. He is now in the Marlins front office as an assistant general manager.
Fire Ng, hire Kapler, the count is 0-2
If it is a team option, why would they choose to void it in the winter rather than not exercise it at the end of this season??
Well they had a damn good Manager in Leyland one year.
Easy, They weren’t 0-9 during the Winter
Odd timing and contract structure. Undermines the manager. It’s one thing to not extend the manager; it’s another to actively void a deal while still in place.
Shumaker chose to void it apparently. He saw the direction the team was heading, down that is, and didn’t want to be part of a team destined to lose and lose big.
Club option. Schumaker couldn’t void it.
Added to the article later.
April 9: Barry Jackson, Jordan McPherson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald add some additional context to Schumaker’s contract status. Schumaker, according to the report, was frustrated by the departure of Ng, who’d hired him less than a year prior.
The Herald trio writes that owner Bruce Sherman agreed to remove the club option on the contract “as a show of good faith” after Schumaker voiced his concerns. In essence, voiding the club option gives Schumaker control over his own future…
In other words, Schumaker was going to quit, but Sherman said PLEASE stay one more year and lets see how you and Bendix get along. Schu said, but I have several years left on my deal. Sherman said, no problem, I will void the extension so if you are unhappy at the end of the year you can leave, so please stay.
If he quits he doesn’t get to collect his salary and cannot interview with other teams until his current contract is up. Plus it could leave a bad taste in the other GMs’ mouths. Contracts go both ways.
Much like the Pirates and A’s, the Marlins exist for one reason, and that is not to field a competitive team to pursue a championship. Instead, they exist to further line the pockets of their owners and investors and every decision is made in furtherance of that goal. Meanwhile, several of them continue collecting welfare check via revenue sharing.
I wouldn’t call a team that lucked their way into the postseason with a -57 run differential and got trounced by the Phillies “solid.”
Oh. So, you are stupid.
Those “wins” got them an embarrassing playoff exit. I guess that was totally worth it in your eyes?
2 road games = $12 million in additional revenue for the team. I would say that is well worth it for the team owner.
I find it funny the article included his slash line from when he was a player. As if that’s in any way germane to his having his manager contract voided.
after this season’s star maybe, he should spell it Shoemaker.
Their one-run wins were surreal last year and made the difference between a lucky team and a below-average team imo
Wins Manager of the Year and gets his Contract cut in half.
The GM of the Marlins and the Cardinals President of baseball Operations must be Twin Brothers!!! Ignorant!! Both of them!
Just couldn’t leave things alone, could you Marlins ownership?! Ng and Skip did a very good job last season making the Marlins competitive again, but Kim is now gone, Skip is dead man walking and the club is 0-9. Want to know why your AL bargain basement cousins up in Tampa do so well year after year? Continuity. You have something good going, you leave it alone.
Bad take.
1-Except for Soler, the team is identical to last year.
2-Half their rotation is injured.
3-They weren’t that good last year. They went 31-39 in the second half.
It would be a bad take if I was only talking about the first 9 games of this season. My take is longer term focused in that the club looked to have found a pretty decent GM and coach, and very quickly moved away from both for no real reason.
I know the formatting on this will stink, but here are the rosters
2023 2024
1B – Gurriel 1B – Bell
2B – Arraez 2B – Arraez
SS – Wendle SS – Anderson
3B – Segura 3B – Burger
LF – De La Cruz LF – De La Cruz
CF – Chisholm CF – Chisholm
RF – Sanchez RF – Garcia
C – Fortes C – Fortes
DH – Soler DH – Bell/De La Cruz
Bench Bench
Stallings Bethancourt
Cooper Sanchez
Berti Bride
Hampson Gordon
Their Pythagorean record in 2023 was 75-87. They were 33-11 in one run games, which is more an indication of luck than anything predictable for the future. No one should point to 2023 as a great season by the Marlins.
After a 69-93 season in 2022 what they should point to 2023 as is a step in the right direction with a great manager because managers help teams win more of those close games.
If Ng is as talented as you claim, why aren’t teams pulling out all the stops to hire her?
I didn’t say talented, I said good.
Just imho, I didn’t like very many of her moves.
Luzardo was a heist.
Signing Cueto when they had pitching was a mistake.
Signing Segura for $17M/2, only to push him to a new position, was borderline insane.
With the general disclaimer that GMs cannot be judged until their drafts mature.
Careful. You might get your comments deleted if you criticize her much more.
Where is that “MLBTR needs an editor” person?
The Marlins are a mess.
In other news, Who would want cheater Cora? It is not a credit to Boston that they did.
Even as badly as Boston is operating they still have not considered Ng as an option to turn the ship around. A testament to her abilities.
October 20, 2023
“Report: Kim Ng declines Red Sox’ request to interview for head of baseball operations job”
Damn, dont you look dumb as hell.
So does Kim. 1-2 of these jobs open up every year. The RS GM is a particularly good one. Large payroll, no matter what RS fans think. An 81/81 Py W/L and a solid ++ farm.
Imagine turning down a $1.5M salary when you might never get that opportunity again.
You dont know a damn thing about her life, but feel confident saying she looks dumb as hell because she didnt want to interview for a specific job opening. Says a lot about you.
Kim left Miami because she wasn’t going to be in charge. They were planning on demoting her and bringing in someone above her. She’s got genuine ability, and it is entirely possible that the Red Sox would be the same situation that made her leave Miami. And it’s also quite possible she didn’t want to be associated with an organization that thought unpunished cheater like Cora was an acceptable choice.
She’s going to get her job. I wanted her to get hired in Baltimore, but Baltimore made another choice and has done OK so far.
saying she looks dumb as hell because she didnt want to interview for a specific job opening.
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Just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. But there is some small chance that she won’t get another GM job. Given the small amount of turnover, and the fact that half of the GM chances are lateral moves where the current GM slides into a POBO position, it doesn’t feel right to turn down an interview from one of the powerhouse teams in baseball.
Kim left Miami because she wasn’t going to be in charge.
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I get that. What I don’t get is turning down interviews with good teams in a good situation.
Yeah we know it’s “just [your] opinion”: your extremely ignorant opinion.
But a decent chance I will be correct.
Typical of small market team to show progress gather some hope then abandon ship and change personal and rebuild yet again I know it’s not New York or LA but Miami is not a small market for the love of baseball find a way to make it work down there
@flee- I think they’ve been trying since day. They’ve one 2 Champoinships with a shorter existence than the cough cough the Mariners
The Marlins, A’s, Pirates and Rockies need new ownership.
Maybe the White Sox also
@Ranger Danger19
Isn’t the point of running a business to make money? These owners are making money without having to field successful teams. So, in the eyes of the owners, they’re successful. If you’re raking in money from a team that never has a chance to win, what’s the benefit to improve it?
It’s south Florida, like queens ny, they are looking for let’s say a certain type of manager. You know, one that fits the narrative of the player and targeted Dan base.
No, I dont know. Be explicit.
Figured
What type of manager? Come on. Say it.
@Mrski
So their target are people named Dan? That’s odd…
Lol.
The abject greed of of many of these billionaire owners is truly sickening.
You are greedy also. Everyone is, and it is human nature
@hotdog2 blow me
This is Kim Ng’s roster is it not?
The majority of the roster has her fingerprints on it, including the atrocious bullpen.
Mostly. The highest bWAR players to leave are Berti and Soler. IMO, the much larger issue are the injuries to Alcantara, Garrett, and Perez.
The Marlins are a joke!!! Shumaker wil have no problems finding work!
Damn…the Sandy trade still hurts huh?
The Marlins need a new president with charisma and leadership. Backstabbing Derek Jeter was the biggest mistake that organization has ever made. He lent an enormous amount of credibility to what they were doing.
From one terrible owner to the next. That’s what we’re seeing right now.
@martras
Derek Jeter and the collection of front-office fools working under him did absolutely nothing to scout, evaluate, draft and develop any MLB-caliber position player talent. Jeter was a great player – yet as an executive, he was a bust! Credibility? I don’t think so. During his tenure, our minor league system fell from middle-of-the-pack right into the sub-basement. They bombed on every single draft pick. Bruce Sherman was 100% right in refusing to spend the free-agent $$ Jeter requested, because Derek didn’t do the job he was tasked with – which was building the team’s foundation. He was backstabbed? That’s pure fiction. Now, however, he’s gone. And I couldn’t care less. He won’t be missed.
Difficult to be a great executive with lying ownership.
“Baby Jeter would do no wrong! He was fooled by the big meanie owner!”
Was he not part of the ownership group? Did he not know what he was getting himself into? You could acknowledge both that the owner is cheap AND Jeter was a terrible baseball executive. Those two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Must have been a really awful feeling for Marlins fans when Minnesota took over as the worst team in baseball there for a bit, stripping the Marlins of their true identity. Thankfully, it seems like Miami is hard at work fixing that problem, and they’re headed back to where they belong. 🙂
Rest assured that Marlins management is working hard to fix the ballclub’s problems – but not in the way you think.
This is actually a benefit for Skip. Unless I’m mistaken, there is a window at the end of the season where a team can make a decision on whether to exercise a team option. That would have meant Skip would have to see if his contract was being picked up by the Marlins – he might miss an opportunity to manage elsewhere while waiting on that decision.
He’s a great influence on players. He was Tony LaRussa’s project to convert an outfielder into a 2B, but Skip was a pro and worked hard to be an acceptable 2B with a cannon for an arm.
Good for Skip. He deserves better.
Hard to play for a manager you know is trying to bounce.
Why?
You play to do well for your team and your next contract.
Not exactly inspiring to players when your manager already has one foot out the door.
Not exactly inspiring as a manager when the Front Office lets your 3 hole hitter walk and sign an already declined Tim Anderson as your one free agent move of the offseason while actively shopping one of your best young pitchers on the tails of the highest winning season since 2009.
Pedro Grifol has a job. Skip’s future is so bright he’s gotta wear shades.
Id walk today.
This is one of the few times that someone could do this and not have a bad mark on their record.
MLB needs to void the Marlins. Another team, similar to the A’s, that aren’t supported AND have poor ownership who isn’t committed to winning. Teams need to be forced into a sell, and relocated. Tampa fits this as well.
@Scrap Iron
New ownership? Sure. I wouldn’t mind. Someone who’s committed to winning for a change. But relocation? Never happen. Keep dreaming.
Phil Garner is the scrap iron I know!
We should move the Florida teams to another transient town filled with whining NY/BOS fans… how about Vegas or Nashville
@StusFirstDollar
We’ll keep the Florida teams right where they are. Snowbird/transient fans of other teams can chirp all they want – I’m not listening.
@marlin power 18
Obviously you are a fan, but overall, the Marlins are not supported and need to relocate. They average less than 14,000 fans per game, and for many years they averaged closer to 10,000. It’s not sustainable to build a winning franchise. People in the seats bring money. Owners won’t be inclined to spend without more money coming in. It’s a catch-22, yes, but ultimately, the Marlins were barely supported in their WS years.
@Scrap Iron
Only recently, from 2018 – 2022, has attendance fallen below 11,000 fans per game. That’s Derek Jeter’s legacy of failure, as he completely trashed our minor league system through bad drafts and trades. The Marlins have generally averaged between 18,000 – 27,000 fans per game from 1993 – 2017. That’s not bad, considering we’ve gone through four owners and have had only 7 winning seasons in our 31 years of existence. That’s plenty of support.You build a sustainable winner from the ground up – with homegrown talent. That was Jeter’s responsibility. He failed, in every way imaginable. The Marlins have a huge base of support all across South Florida. For years we’ve said “You don’t have to spend crazy $$. Just make a consistent effort, year over year, to show that you want to build a sustainable winner. Do us proud. This is baseball country. We love baseball. But we won’t support a trash team. Give us a reason to come to beautiful loanDepot Park and we’ll be there”.
Bruce Sherman claims that that’s exactly his intention. We’ll see. He’s replaced the entire front office. His plan is to rebuild the minor league system and then maintain and supplement that talent base by spending a few bucks. So it’s back to the original plan, the one Derek sabotaged through his incompetence.
The Marlins aren’t going anywhere. But that speculation is always good for a laugh.
@Scrap Iron
The Marlins aren’t going anywhere, my friend. But endless speculation to that effect is always good for a laugh.
Associate manager? Like at a grocery store?
Why did Bruce Sherman buy the team? Bc he can?
Derek Jeter saw the writing on the wall and made the smart move to resign. Sport franchises are more about the tax write off for the owner(s) versus building a team that the community can be proud of.
Derek Jeter lives in Florida for tax reasons. Just saying.
??? @blackpink. How is this relevant to my comment or article?
I know it’s hard for you to acknowledge the obvious, but Derek Jeter was a terrible executive.
@big smoke. My comment has nothing to do with Jeter being a good or bad executive.
Jeter left because the owner’s budget plans to build a team were no longer aligned with their previously agreed vision, remember….
@kbr
Wrong. Sports franchises are about:
1) Making a suitable profit for the owner, while at the same time –
2) Building a sustainable winner the community can be proud of.
In other words, plenty of $$ for EVERYTHING. None of this either/or, one-or-the-other nonsense. Just because the Marlins have had some of the worst owners in sports history doesn’t mean the organization is a failure. Not at all. There are plenty of successful models we can use to change our fortunes. All it takes is the right kind of people. Got to lose all this negativity.
@marlin power. I agree, the organization is not a failure as it’s not defunct and still in the same city that was granted the franchise by MLB; and it’s unfortunate that it has had its share of terrible owners.
Those “terrible” owners is what I’m referring to in my comment. They purchase sports franchises, as what I believe to be, for the benefit of the tax write off. Owners like Joe Robbie and Micky Arison is no longer the norm.
@kbr
Exactly so. Both Arison and Robbie could certainly serve as inspirational models for Bruce Sherman and his ownership group – if they care enough about the team to elevate their own game and build a consistent winner.
Might be about as good an outcome for a Marlins manager. Instead of losing for a few years, getting fired and having the “loser” tag, he can say he managed them to the playoffs, then the organization went to poop and got outta there.
Lot easier to get a second managerial gig (and all the guaranteed money) this way.
He’s chosen to fall on his sword for Kim Ng. We’ll see how that strategy works out for him.
If I were Schumaker, right now with the Marlins in the cellar, I would just quit. He got the Marlins to the playoffs.
Sad thing is that the Marlins have an intriguing team with guys like Chisholm, the pitching staff with Alcantera, Perez, Puk, Garrett, Meyer, Sanchez, and others (albeit many are injured now, as well as guys in the minors who could be nice pieces (Watson, etc). Sad that they got rid of Ng and she and Schumaker won’t get to see the team they built and managed accomplish anything. Ownership should’ve let it play out in 2025 and 2026. Hopefully Rays don’t follow suit, cause I feel like they will be in a position like the Marlins in 2025 when all of the pitchers are healed (and hopefully none join Baz, McClanahan, Springs, and Rasmussen), and maybe hell will freeze over and they will sign a free agent to get them past the first round. Might be the closest Florida teams get to the playoffs for a while.
Non-Marlins fan, there is no Marlins fan that feels that we lost anything in Ng, and no Marlins fan that will miss her. Unlike all of you non-Marlins fans, we don’t forget the 2 1/2 years of complete incompetence on her part, and we can’t forget that she often seemed like her job as GM got in the way of her self-promo stuff. And unlike all of you non-Marlins fans, we won’t pretend her gaffes and poor performance didn’t exist just because she had a good 2023 Trade Deadline, and the garbage bullpen she built had a good year to finally hold leads they were handed, unlike 2021 and 2022 and so far in 2024. And the last place the Marlins are in right now is because of Ng with Avi Garcia having to get playing time because of the big contract, and the garbage bullpen she built that has blown four leads they’ve been handed which, if they held, the Marlins would be 5-7 instead of 1-11. Stop with the Kim Ng stuff already. That works with ESPN watchers – not baseball fans that really know what happened in Miami and not the Marlins fan base. You won’t see one Marlins fan anywhere missing her…especially with every lead blown by the bullpen and every AB Avi Garcia has.
As for Skip, I do feel that if the Marlins want him back, he needs to demand that the front office fixes the bullpen drastically from the garbage that Kim Ng did with it. As for him quitting now, it wouldn’t be the best look for him, especially with a team that does have enough talent to play better if he were to quit. Definitely not a good idea.
PS: the Marlins are currently winning. If it goes to the bullpen with a lead, let’s see if they hold the lead tonight. If they do, it’s very likely because the Marlins open up the lead to about 10 runs, and even that may not be enough one of these games (eventually).
Thank you for the garbage bullpen, Kim Ng! When you were first hired, after the bullpen held leads the season before you were hired, you said you’d fix the bullpen as your first task. The bullpen is one of the worst ones in Marlins history since you “fixed” it!
Well, the Marlins excaped by the skin of their teeth last night. The fact is that Tanner Scott failed again, but got away with it. Everyone that saw his performance knows that Judge just missed that last pitch. 9 times out of 10, Judge hits that hanging pitch from Scott for a game-wiing grandslam. How many times will Scott escape with getting away with a bad pitch that the hitter just missed? The answer is not many.
Great that we got the win, but clearly because Judge just missed that last pitch from hitting it out for the walkoff grandslam.
Let’s see what happens with the next game the bullpen is handed a lead in. They have blown 4 out of the 6 so far, 4 out of the 5 that were 4 runs or less, all 4 that were 3 runs or less.
@BannedMarlinsFanBase
Ryan Weathers looked sharp, I thought. And the bullpen held down the fort for once. That’s a good thing. Otherwise, we’d have to hunt down Taylor Tankersley and Burke Badenhop to see if they have enough fuel in their tanks to attempt comebacks.
Yeah, Weathers looked good, especially considering that lineup.
The bullpen held the fort, but let’s be honest, how many times is Judge not going to hit that same pitch from Scott over the fence. I think we can honestly say, easily 7 to 9 times out of 10, he hits the walkoff grandslam. off of Scott. Scott has not looked good at all, and escaped last night more because Judge just missed that last pitch instead of Scott pitching well enough to get the out. That last pitch was a bad pitch that was simply missed by Judge by a little bit.
@BannedMarlinsFanBase
Indeed. Fortune smiled upon Scott. And you’re right – he doesn’t look good thus far. That had crossed my mind. If this trend continues, the closer’s role could be up for grabs before long.
If this trend continues, we’ll be on our way to over 100 losses…with the bullpen blowing leads in about 35 to 40 of them.
@BannedMarlinsFanBase
If this group can’t turn it around and get back to .500, we may yet be looking at another fire sale/rebuild. And if that’s the case, the team’s fortunes down the road will depend heavily on Peter Bendix and his crew – how well they handle any upcoming trades and amateur draft selections.
I’m not surprised that the non-Marlins fans aren’t giving credit for Sherman shoiwng that good faith to give Schumaker the choice to explore his options if he’s not happy under Bendix. But I guess that would go against those non-Marlins fans ESPN-esque schtick about the Marlins – because it would be letting facts get in the way of a good troll.
As for Schumaker and his option, I like Skip and I’d hate to see him leave, but if I were him, if the Marlins try to get him to stay, he should demand to see them make major moves to fix that bullpen. Any manager that wants to have a shot at building a cinsistent winner, and establish success, should not accept having a bullpen this bad.
Amen, brother.