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Orioles Talking To “High-End” Free Agent Pitchers; Camden Yards’ Left Field Dimensions To Be Changed

By Mark Polishuk | November 15, 2024 at 11:37pm CDT

Orioles general manager Mike Elias took part in a video call with reporters (including the Baltimore Sun’s Matt Weyrich, MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko, and MLB.com’s Jake Rill) today, sharing a few guarded details about the club’s offseason pursuits and a major development for Camden Yards’ outfield dimensions.  Elias revealed that the ballpark will have a new left field wall that will be significantly shorter and closer to home plate than the wall that has been in place for the last three seasons.

The old wall will remain in place, stretching from the 373-foot mark in the left field crevice and extending to the Orioles’ bullpen.  However, an unoccupied open area will now sit between the wall and the new left field wall, which Elias said will be closer to home plate by “as much as 20 feet; in others, it’ll be more like 11 feet and as little as nine.”  The deepest distance from home plate to the left-center area of the old wall was 398 feet, but that distance will now be a more manageable 376 feet.  The old wall was also 13 feet high, whereas the new wall’s height will range from 6’11” at its shortest to nine feet tall at its highest.

“Our hope is, by pulling the dimensions in a little bit…that we will be able to get closer to what our initial goal was: a neutral playing environment that assists a balanced style of play at a park that was overly homer-friendly prior to our changes in 2022.  It is now a little overly skewed given what we did back then,” Elias said.

Heightening the wall back in 2022 happened to coincide with a big improvement in the Orioles’ play, as the team has since reeled off three straight winning seasons (and two playoff appearances) due to a marked upgrade in pitching performance.  Baltimore’s 3.94 team ERA ranks tenth in baseball over the last three seasons, and the pitching staff has allowed the ninth-fewest homers (523) of any club in that same span.

According to Statcast’s Park Factor metric, righty batters had more trouble hitting homers at Camden Yards than at almost any other ballpark, save for Cleveland’s Progressive Field and Pittsburgh’s PNC Park.  Unfortunately, this extended to the Orioles’ own batters as well as opposing hitters.  As Rill breaks down the numbers, the Orioles lost more home runs (72) than opponents (65) did at Camden Yards since Opening Day 2022.

“I think it’ll be easier for right-handed hitters to produce power numbers at this park, there’s no question about it.  We wanted, and we want, a park that is neutral, tilting toward pitcher friendliness,” Elias said.  “But, the disparities between the two sides of the park were not the intent, and it had created some dramatic differences and it affected player personnel thought and outcomes in a way that we weren’t anticipating when we made the move.”

Three years of data has now convinced Elias that the past renovations “overcorrected” the initial problem of Camden Yards being too homer-friendly.  Elias made a point of noting that the dimensions weren’t being changed to make it easier for the O’s to attract free agent hitters (particularly right-handed bats), as the GM said that the 2022 alterations weren’t intended as a “permanent” fix in the first place.

“In many ways this may make the park less attractive for pitchers, which is one of the reasons that I initially made this change,” Elias said.

The timing is interesting, as the rotation is certainly a key need for the Orioles this winter.  Corbin Burnes is a free agent and the top arm available on the open market (in the view of MLBTR’s Top 50 Free Agents list and many other pundits), leaving Baltimore with a projected top four of Grayson Rodriguez, Zach Eflin, Dean Kremer, and Albert Suarez in the starting five.  Cade Povich and Trevor Rogers are among the candidates vying for the fifth starters’ job at the moment and Kyle Bradish or Tyler Wells could emerge when or if they recover from UCL surgeries at some point in 2025, but there’s no doubt that this pitching staff could use some reinforcement.

To this end, Elias said the Orioles are considering “the whole spectrum” of pitching upgrades.  “If you’re running the team optimally….you’re certainly wanting to keep the whole menu of player acquisition open.  That involves high-end free agent deals over many years.  We’ve been engaged in those conversations already.”

It has been widely expected that the O’s have a higher spending capacity under new owner David Rubenstein than in past years when the Angelos family was controlling the team.  Elias gave “credit [to] the ownership change for putting us in the position to” at least check in at every level of the market, though he again stressed that more payroll flexibility doesn’t mean the Orioles are going to suddenly “spend money indiscriminately this offseason come hell or high water.”

Baltimore has already been linked to Max Fried in early free agent pursuits, as well as interest in White Sox southpaw Garrett Crochet on the trade front.  It can be assumed that the Orioles will consider a reunion with Burnes, even if that would likely be the priciest possible way to add to the rotation.  Since Burnes’ departure would recoup the Orioles a compensatory draft pick, the team could opt to let Burnes walk to gain that draft capital, thus perhaps making the O’s more comfortable about surrendering picks if they signed a qualifying offer-rejecting free agent of their own.

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  1. Fenway 1

    7 months ago

    So you’re pitch is “Come to Baltimore, the walls are being moved in!”

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    • C Yards Jeff

      7 months ago

      Doesn’t hurt but just as important it soothes the ego of current Baltimore rightside thumpers.

      I’m officially back on the Mouncastle train. Keep him; don’t trade him.

      Happy for Mayo as well. Rough start fueled by that dang wall. Yes? No? Maybe?

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Jeff – It DOES hurt extreme flyball pitchers, don’t ya think? I don’t believe you’d want Pivetta or Crawford pitching for the O’s now would you?

        That said, the raising of the wall was a massive fail for the Baltimore analytics department and this latest change proves it.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          7 months ago

          FPG; I believe from the get go the Orioles did not want the wall moved as far back as it was. OPACY is owned by the State of Maryland. When the Orioles submitted this alteration to the park; the state countered/offered with what is now in place. Why? Enhanced revenue opportunities. Specifically, the state was desperately trying to be a FIFA World Cup 2026 host location. They lost out. That said; I’m pretty sure the current field dimensions could fit a soccer pitch on it. No need now.

          Oh, and just so they don’t skew closer to the old deminsion, flyball pitchers will come.

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        • dodgers32

          7 months ago

          Letting any governmental agency get involved with anything sports-related is always a mistake.

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        • 9/11ths

          7 months ago

          The wall doesn’t affect the fact nobody wants Kutter Crawford.

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        • 9/11ths

          7 months ago

          @dodger agreed. The solution should be for those scumbag owners to pay for their own stadiums, instead of being massive welfare queens.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Dodgers – you do realize that this stadium is owned by, and subsidized by, the state – right? How is it fair to the taxpayer to have such a massive asset be totally beyond the reach of elected leaders?

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        • jopeness

          7 months ago

          The Mitchell reports says hello

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        • misterb71

          7 months ago

          I would love to hear your explanation to how moving the wall further back than the team wanted would lead to higher revenues (or at least higher revenue opportunities) for the state and how it has any connection to attempting to host a World Cup. Why in the world would the state force the O’s on the road so Oriole Park could host a World Cup match when M&T Stadium is better suited to such an event, is just a couple hundred yards away, and sits vacant all summer long?

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        • bwmiller79

          7 months ago

          I’d sign Kutter Crawford, BABIP is a concern, homers allowed is a concern, but stuff is there, nice K/BB ratios, nice swinging strike rates, he can locate his pitches, just needs to get a little wiser on the mound, that comes with experience, he could be a guy that makes a big leap forward.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          7 months ago

          Misterb71; good point about conflict with Orioles schedule.

          In regards to lost seats = lost revenue for the Orioles, maybe but I’m sure the state would compensate. Now for the state of Maryland; reconfiguring the playing field opens up opportunities to bring in activity other than just Orioles baseball … equaling more monies in to state coffers.

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        • Rking

          7 months ago

          Kutter isn’t a free agent until 29.

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        • bwmiller79

          7 months ago

          Nice, he should stick in Boston’s rotation. They are loaded with prospects, Garrett Crochet would be a nice fit for them. Grissom, Meidrith, Montgomery and Winkowski should get it done, Boston keeps Mayer, Teel, Anthony and Abreu. Sox get their position players and Winkowski is a nice return, could potentially start for the White Sox.

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        • 9/11ths

          7 months ago

          @bwmiller. He doesn’t locate his pitches that well. Thats why his barrel % and hard hit % is high. Also he has like a 40% fly ball rate and a 33% GB rate. He had a good first half then the wheels fell off. Last year I believe he had the opposite.

          It’s just my opinion, he needs to move to the bullpen. Short work to make his stuff play up and he can attack hitters. Red Sox need to get pitching to push him down to ladder.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Jeff – I held off responding until I checked with my Inner Harbor counterparts …. none of them heard anything about the state gov forcing the Orioles to make left field what it is today. Do you have a link please, or is that just a conspiracy theory that’s been passed on?

          First of all, it makes zero sense that the state/landlord would dictate to the Orioles/tenants how to configure their playing field. That’s like your landlord telling you how to arrange your furniture … unless there’s some very weird clause in the lease?

          Secondly, all I’ve seen in articles is the Orioles brass stating THEY were the ones who decided to make the existing changes.

          “Given the uncertainty of the game, offensive environments, etc., it became apparent to us over three years of lived experience that it was a directionally correct move, but we overcorrected,” says Elias.

          As for flyball pitchers being less willing to sign if the future changes make it too homer-friendly to left field, that’s something that obviously can’t be proven either way but it’s certainly something to watch.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          9/11 – Of the Red Sox pitchers, he is the most likely to be traded.

          If he’s traded, you’d be wrong.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          miller – Excellent analysis, thank you!

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Jeff – Does the lease even allow that?

          At Fenway they do have hockey games, football games and concerts ….. but the owners of the Red Sox also own Fenway, so it’s a totally different situation.

          I think we really need evidence of what you’re claiming because it sounds really far fetched.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Rk – Trade candidate who may benefit from a change of scenery and better coaching/managing.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          9/11 – FWIW his innings went from a career-high 129 in 2023 to a career-high 184 in 2024. He led MLB in games started.

          That could certainly be a big part of why he performed so badly in the second half this year.

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        • Nosferatu Zodd

          7 months ago

          3 winning seasons…

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        • Nosferatu Zodd

          7 months ago

          The 5 years they were getting their brain pounded in it was when they were playing 38 home games against right power hitting AL east opponents. 2021 Vlad Jr hit 16 homers against them. 2023 he hit zero.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          7 months ago

          FPG; thanks for the get back.

          “Conspiracy theory”. Nah. Healthy and legitimate speculation on my part. And with a site having the word “Rumors” in it, to me, an appropriate platform to do so. What’s fueling it? I’m a taxpayer. State legislature approving 1 plus billion in improvements to Oriole Park and another 1 plus billion to M&T Bank Stadium. This money is going to each state owned facility not to private owners of a sports franchise. Of course, the Os and Ravens as primary tenants, have a lot of say. But, the state actively competes fir the global sports dollar. It’s prudent on their part through the MD Stadium Authority arm that improvements are made that will attract various tenants.

          I disagree with your stance on making changes to a property by a tenant without first getting it approved by the Landlord. Odd to me.

          Now if Elias and crew convinced John Angelos to alter the LF dimensions to where they are now, so be it. That said; i find that hard to believe.

          What happened? To me, it’s about the MONEY. Orioles failed to sellout there playoff games. Both tenant and landlord not happy. Their solution. Move that dang fence in some.

          Cheers.

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        • bwmiller79

          7 months ago

          Walks are the stat I based my opinion on, but you are right, he certainly is a fly ball pitcher, but as long as he’s getting whiffs and keeping the walks low, I like his upside. I’d reckon he’ll get better at inducing soft contact, and in keeping the ball in the park.

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        • bwmiller79

          7 months ago

          I’m a White Sox fan, the Crochet trade is of utmost importance to us. Kutter Crawford would be nice return but I think including him in a package of position players is asking too much, be nice to get a pitcher back in return too though, if you have perused our roster you will see that we have a few holes, granted all major leaguers, but no real standout talents. Winkowski could be a nice piece. Boston has the players to get that trade done should they like Crochet, I like Vaughn Grissom, he’d slot in nicely at second base for the White Sox, and Braden Montgomery is a nice player.

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        • Low IQ Angels Management

          7 months ago

          Make Camden Yards Great Again. MCYGA!!!!!

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    • tony98732

      7 months ago

      Your*

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    • Johnny Devil

      7 months ago

      One has nothing to do with the other. The orioles are a young, contending team. Apparently willing to spend. The article went right over your skull. Boston is a pretender.

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  2. DarkSide830

    7 months ago

    Wall-Stars

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  3. labial

    7 months ago

    Bummed they missed out on both Kyle Hendricks and Griffin Canning 🙁

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    • kellin

      7 months ago

      I can tell you that you should be happy your team missed out in Canning, unless you really need a 5th starter at best.

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    • petfoodfella

      7 months ago

      Atlanta will trade him. Send over a bucket of bbq sunflower seeds and 2 ranch.

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  4. Old York

    7 months ago

    They’ve made a mess of that stadium with that wall reno. Put it back to how it was and teach your pitchers to pitch not just chuck the ball as hard as possible.

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      7 months ago

      It was a little too Homer happy before…

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    • bucsfan0004

      7 months ago

      I agree. The renovation was sloppy. You want to move the fences back…. fine, but why the huge wall? Because obviously thats where the old bleachers were when the new dimensions were created, so they made the wall that height. It just seemed lazy. The current dimensions with a 6′ wall is what that place needs

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      7 months ago

      Another stupid Old York comment. That field was way too hitter friendly.

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        7 months ago

        Yeah it’s almost like everyone forgot how bad it was before the wall

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  5. Blackpink in the area

    7 months ago

    Talking and signing are two different things. We will see if Baltimore is ready to do what it takes in free agency. I believe I picked them to sign Fried.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      7 months ago

      Again, since you aren’t a fan, it’s inappropriate for you to comment.

      That’s per you. That’s what you have told others about your team, and division rivals’ fans as well.

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      • Blackpink in the area

        7 months ago

        That’s not whst I said at all dipwad. I am not an Orioles fan but I am not a rival fan. Also I am not writing articles just commenting.

        It seems like you want me to mute you.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Oh so rival fans can’t comment but you can.

          What a joke.

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        • Blackpink in the area

          7 months ago

          I never said rival fans can’t comment on things you clown. You said that.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Oh, right, you said it was inappropriate for fans of rival teams to speculate about payroll and other org topics.

          Foolish.

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        • Blackpink in the area

          7 months ago

          Not what I said clown. You got one more chance. Next time you say something dumb you go to mute.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          But you DID say that. Not in this thread, but you DID say that. Mute away. I couldn’t care less what is said by some goon who thinks other fans can’t speculate on orgs they aren’t a diehard fan of.

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  6. sad tormented neglected mariners fan

    7 months ago

    I’m glad that left won’t be as deep at first it was too short then they made it too deep

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      7 months ago

      Sad – Two of my favorite memories attending games at Oriole Park were the Manny and JBJ catches. With the current wall those catches never would have happened. Entertainment factor needs to be taken into consideration.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        7 months ago

        Silly take. The original wall sucked. Guess you loved losing.

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  7. LordD99

    7 months ago

    So Michael Kay was right.

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    • tuck 2

      7 months ago

      Thats funny. This isn’t complicated – the old was a joke – just like RF in Yankee Stadium, so they tried to fix it. The fix seemed extreme from the start and it was. Now they will try to find a happy midpoint. Personally I think 20 feet in places and a lower wall is too much, but I’m happy they are trying to get it right.

      This will attract RH hitters and help Mayo – not so sure Mounty will be back, but remember Cowser, Kjerstad, Gunnar and Jackson all have always hit with power to left center and I think they all suffered from becoming too pull happy.

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  8. LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpert

    7 months ago

    I’ve been saying for the past 3 years that Ellias is one of the worst GMs in baseball. Glad people are finally starting to realize this. Just look at how he destroyed the Os season with this most recent trade deadline, his moves were pathetic. They have all these prospects that they could of used to trade for a real difference maker. Instead Ellias went the prospect hugging route and received poor results

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      7 months ago

      Yes Elias, who made one of the biggest farm systems in modern times, is horrible

      His moves on the major league level weren’t even that bad, the only bad moves I can think of are the Rogers and Soto trades and that’s about it

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      • AmaralFan1

        7 months ago

        The Orioles grew their farm system thanks to a half decade of horribleness (in an era before the lottery). They were helped along by competitive balance picks, which makes no sense given the money they make from the Nationals TV rights.

        I wouldn’t say Elias is one of the worst in baseball, but we are going into Year 6 and Orioles still haven’t gotten back to where Duquette and Buck had them a decade ago.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 months ago

          Almost everyone is getting their TV right fees cut with RSN’s going belly up. Angelos was terrible but he probably wasn’t wrong about paying out lower tv rights fees.

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        • King Floch

          7 months ago

          Duquette left Elias with an utterly wretched MLB roster, an almost completely barren farm system, a stone age FO, and a non-existent international presence.

          Elias basically had to build a modern baseball organization from scratch when he took over in 2019.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 months ago

          Angelos was a big reason for all of that though.

          All things considered Duke actually left him some guys.

          G-Rod, Hall, Tanner Scott, Hays, Mounty, Kremer, Mullins, Santander.

          Not a terrible start. Elias finished the development though.

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        • King Floch

          7 months ago

          Duquette emptied the farm system for such blockbuster acquisitions as Gerardo Parra and Bud Norris, and he chose to ignore the analytics revolution and stock his FO with relics of a bygone era.

          Duquette rode Andy MacPhail’s coattails to a couple of years of moderate success, then left the organization in much worse shape than how he initially found it.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 months ago

          I don’t think Dan Duquette was a particularly good GM.

          Did leave Elias some upper level talent though. Horrendous ML roster

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        • cooperhill

          7 months ago

          Big difference, Elias had to rebuild this from the ground up, Buck is the most overrated manager in MLB history.

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        • Johnny Devil

          7 months ago

          The orioles lost 3/4 of their rotation and their closer my friend, and were still very much a contender. Your comment is nonsense.

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        • Aiden Awe

          7 months ago

          He’s isn’t close to the worst GM in bball. The O’s are a historically small market team, maybe new ownership could make the O’s at best a mid-market team but time will tell.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          King – Not sure why some here always criticize Double-D’s, but Dan Duquette drafted Hays, Mountcastle, Mullins and Rodriguez. He grabbed Santander in the Rule 5 Draft. He traded for Kremer, and he signed Bautista.

          Maybe he didn’t do as well as the other much-criticized Double-D, Dave Dombrowski, but Duquette still did quite well. And Duquette did an amazing job in both Boston and Montreal, he’s got a great track record.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          King – Duquette was utilizing analytics long before Beane and others. Never heard of Mike Gimbel?

          sabr.org/latest/in-search-of-sabr-member-mike-gimb…

          pursuitofpennants.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/17-dan-…

          “As an early adopter of using advanced statistics to identify players, he was known for acquiring undervalued players and getting production from them — Troy O’Leary, Brian Daubach, Jeff Frye, Tim Wakefield.”

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Amaral = liar.

          Very little of the current team is Elias picks because of Elias tanking. Stupid.

          And they’re as good now as they were in ‘12 and better than in ‘16.

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        • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

          7 months ago

          Uhh I would say winning 100 games and 2 playoff appearances in a row is as good as Duquette and buck

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      • Mets Era Thumping Soto

        7 months ago

        Yes let’s commend a GM for intentionally losing. Good thing the Mets poached the scout that found most of those picks he made.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          7 months ago

          Elias didn’t intentionally lose. He was told by John Angelos to intentionally lose. He’s a good company man. And good thing he followed orders. 2019 ugly, 20 ugly, 21 ugly then in 22, it happened, the beginning of 3 consecutive winning seasons. I’ll take it.

          Duquette and Showalter are also good company men. Everyone in Oriole nation knew as early as 2017 it was time to rebuild. Unloading guys like Machado and Britton were hot topics on local talk radio. One problem. Peter Angelos didn’t have time for a rebuild. Old and in failing health, he kept “the band” together too long. 2017 ugly then 2018 disastrous. Dan and Buck were only following the orders from their boss. They r solid baseball people.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Metsin4 is a clown loser as well. Must be LFGMoron’s burner.

          Elias’ best picks – Gunnar and Westburg – have nothing to do with tanking. Rutschman was possible because of Duquette’s failure his final year.

          Moron.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          7 months ago

          You get butt hurt really easily don’t you? Henderson was drafted in 2019 as a comp pick. The Orioles won 47 games the year before. Westburg was drafted in 2020 with another Comp pick. The Orioles won 54 games the year before. Please tell everyone you have no clue what you run your mouth about.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Metsin4 – who was the Orioles GM in 2018?

          I’ll wait.

          Hint: wasn’t Elias.

          Owned!

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          7 months ago

          Are you for real? Your bragging about him winning 54 games in 2019? Your claim was Henderson and Westburg had nothing to do with tanking. It was a false statement. Both picks were giving for them being horrendous.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Does metsin4 have a brain? Inquiring minds want to know.

          The O’s weren’t tanking in 2018. Any team could have taken Henderson and didn’t.

          Westburg, again, all teams passed on once.

          Neither pick was for being horrendous. Clowns gonna clown. Adley, Kjerstad, and Cowser were picks from being horrendous. But Adley was not for being horrendous on purpose. The other two, sure. But who has had the biggest impact of those three?

          Let’s cut to the chase. The Orioles being competitive is on the backs of waiver claims, pre-Elias homegrowns, and draftees anyone could have chosen – except Rutschman.

          Your narrative is trash, just like all the ex-Orioles the Mets have picked up (Stewart, Sisco, Bundy, Garrett, etc)(Iglesias excluded)

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          7 months ago

          So now you’re saying they were trying to win in 2018 and only won 47 games. You do realize how horrific of a season that is? Yes they got both comp picks because nobody would watch them or go to their games for being so bad. When you get way more picks in the top rounds of the draft of course you will hit some good players. Look what’s happening now that they aren’t getting as many picks and drafting lower. Their system isn’t producing. Go on and keep calling names. I have zero respect for anyone in sports that don’t try to win. It defeats the reason sports is even here. Good thing all those players will be leaving Baltimore in a couple years and you all will be back to tanking on purpose again.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          7 months ago

          Who was GM in 2018? Not Elias.

          They entered 18 intending to be competitive.

          Their system is absolutely still producing. Saying otherwise is a lie. Which is what I expect from a Mets fan.

          You prove yet again that you’re totally clueless.

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      • Bird4Life

        7 months ago

        Soto wasn’t even bad. He pitched well down the stretch and O’s gave up a 26 yr old prospect coming off TJ who belongs in AA (even tho the Phillies tried him in the majors and it failed)

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        • Jbigz12

          7 months ago

          We gave up Chace and Seth Johnson. They’ll both be major leaguers. Probably out of the bullpen.

          Deal might not look so good in a few years.

          Reply
      • Nosferatu Zodd

        7 months ago

        Honestly I don’t think Elias is a bad GM. He is an amazing talent evaluator. Henderson, Westerburg, Mayo were not top picks. The jury is out on Rodgers. Not all trades work out. 2022 he committed grand larceny in Minnesota.
        His being a GM on a winning team looking for pennents he has been okay.
        The whole BS of the Orioles being small market is so old. When the Orioles are good, Maryland is their market. No NBA or big time college football teams to compete against. They will never be top 3 payroll, but top 10 they can do.

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    • King Floch

      7 months ago

      And you have been wrong for the past 3 years.

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      • getrealgone2

        7 months ago

        we should all just mute him

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    • Never Remember

      7 months ago

      Always smart to emphasize repeatedly how little you know about baseball. I’m sure all the people you say this to ad nauseum are so excited when you show up.

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    • Big Hurt

      7 months ago

      Elias had been fine overall. The Os have been good at drafting, no question, and not just because of high picks. They’ve hit on 2nd and 4th rounders, so they should get props for that. What he hasn’t done has turn it into a playoff winner, and some of that means that u have to trade that those great draft choices to fill your gaps, and he hasn’t been good at that part.

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    • tuck 2

      7 months ago

      Then you’ve been wrong for three years and this narrative about the trade deadline is just boring at this point.

      He has built a team that has won 192 games the last two years, despite an absurd number of injuries last year. They have some of the best young talent in baseball and all this with zero financial resources. Now he has a real owner to go with THE best organization. In baseball.

      As to the deadline – just stop. Eflin was THE consensus best trade of the year. Dominguez and Soto are now solid parts of the bullpen and he got them for nothing.

      The jury is out on Rogers but they gave up very little. Stowers is a joke and will not have a career and Norby will be a decent major leaguer but there was no spot for him.

      Do you think Phillies fans think they got the better of those trades? Oh yea they lost in the playoffs to. How many deadline trades made a difference? Tommy Edman turned out to be the only one that actually mattered.

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      • Bart Harley Jarvis

        7 months ago

        Dominguez and Soto were addition by subtraction. Extremely talented arms with occasional success, but frustrating as hell over the course of a season. Maybe DD could’ve gotten more in return, but probably not.
        Phillies fans wish them success, but won’t miss them.

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      • Big Hurt

        7 months ago

        Put down the Orange Kool-aid man. I agree that the Os lost some key pitchers this year, but they did NOT have an ‘absurd number of injuries” last year. Spotrac has a chart that shows games lost by club by money and by total games lost, and they were 2nd last in money and bottom 10 in days lost. Every team has injuries, including the Dodgers who lost 2158 man days to injury while the Os only lost 1258.

        If they have the most incredible system ever, they should have either brought up these superstars to fill in or trade at the deadline to substantively improve at those critical positions (i.e. SP). Instead, they traded a valuable chip (Norby) for a Cole Irvin copy. The jury is not out on Rogers – he was an unmitigated disaster and even if he somehow pitches well in 2025, it won’t help the 2024 team with a shrinking window and a bad 2nd half win a playoff series.
        As I stated, Elias has done a great job in the draft, and Eflin was a good trade (but not “THE consensus” best trade (the Yankees getting Chisolm was better, for example, and Kopech was insanely good for the Dodgers in the 2nd half).
        Until they actually win a playoff series or two, they are NOT the best organization in baseball, sorry.

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          7 months ago

          I don’t remember having any of the orange Kool-Aid, but it sounds absolutely yummy. Thank you for the recommendation!

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        • Big Hurt

          7 months ago

          It does sound pretty good, actually! Throw in some rum and make it an evening!

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      7 months ago

      LFGMoron

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  9. Fernando P

    7 months ago

    The Orioles gets a Competitive Balance pick and they have a top farm system. It seems foolish to worry about a draft pick if they sign a qualifying offer free agent.

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      7 months ago

      I wouldn’t rule out a burnes return…

      The orioles could either pay him or give him an opt out deal so if burnes has a great season he can get even higher

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      • cwsOverhaul

        7 months ago

        Burnes is going to lock in his guaranteed 200mil right now regardless of how a deal is structured.

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  10. DarrenDreifortsContract

    7 months ago

    When is the last time the O’s landed a top free agent. Miguel Tejada 20 years ago?

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      7 months ago

      Chris Davis! Or was that an extension?

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    • roenickstein

      7 months ago

      Depends on how big you’re talking. Trumbo, Cobb, Jiminez come to mind. All those deals were pretty bad though. And yes, Davis was an extension.

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      • King Floch

        7 months ago

        Davis was not an extension, he was a free agent signing.

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        • roenickstein

          7 months ago

          Not true. Google it.

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        • King Floch

          7 months ago

          Davis was signed as a free agent.

          It wasn’t an extension.

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          Davis was traded to o’s from the rangers.

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        • King Floch

          7 months ago

          He was, then he became a free agent, then the Orioles re-signed him.

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          He didn’t sign as a free agent, he tested free agency and resigned.

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        • roenickstein

          7 months ago

          Simply not true. But no worries. We’re splitting hairs.

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        • King Floch

          7 months ago

          You can’t test free agency if you aren’t a free agent.

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        • King Floch

          7 months ago

          Objectively true, you mean.

          Davis became a free agent and then signed a free agent deal to return to the Orioles. That is not an extension.

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        • RunDMC

          7 months ago

          July 30, 2011: Traded by the Texas Rangers with Tommy Hunter to the Baltimore Orioles for Koji Uehara.

          November 2, 2015: Granted Free Agency.

          January 21, 2016: Signed as a Free Agent with the Baltimore Orioles.
          __________
          Source: Baseball Reference

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          That’s not a free agent either. I guess if you want to be funny or special, and it makes sense to you so be it. He asked a question it was a no he resigned.

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          @RunDMc. Ok so if Baltimore signs a free agent burnes, do they have to give up a comp pick to team free agency Or would you say burnes resigned with the orioles.

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        • Bird4Life

          7 months ago

          What are you talking about? If you test free agency that means you’re a FA regardless of whether you re-sign with your former team from the previous year’s arbitration deal (or whatever it was, but in this case Davis was coming out of arbitration). Now if you really want to get funny with semantics, you said resign which is a totally different meaning than re-sign.

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        • roenickstein

          7 months ago

          There are a few sources that mention the words contract extension. But I couldn’t find the definitive statement explaining why it was an “extension “. My apologies. He probably was a free agent.

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        • dm867

          7 months ago

          If memory serves me right, he was going to sign an extension but wanted to test the FA waters. Those waters were frigid, and he signed for less money than originally offered.

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    • Johnny Devil

      7 months ago

      When was the last time they chased one Darren dreifort… Who was a terrible pitcher.

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  11. letitbelowenstein

    7 months ago

    Just when the Orioles started becoming serious contenders, they’re going back to playing softball. They’re trying to get Gunnar and the others to shoot for 50-60 homers to bring fans in. The days of Trumbo, Davis and Cruz are back, baby!

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    • Jbigz12

      7 months ago

      Wall moved in is going to benefit your Mayo’s & Mountcastle’s a whole lot more.

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      • cwsOverhaul

        7 months ago

        It is foreseeable that Mayo could be dealt as the headliner for Crochet. Only going to make around arb 3mil in ’25 and still low final arb ’26.
        They could extend him 4/60mil in his prime and becomes UFA at 30. Rather win-win calculated risk at tolerable price.

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        • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

          7 months ago

          Orioles farm system isn’t as deep anymore so I think they hold on to mayo (especially since they need more righties)

          They actually could hold on to basallo too so it’s an all top prospect infield

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        • bwmiller79

          7 months ago

          Sox should be starting Miguel Vargas at third, with Montgomery at SS and that’s about all I see from the White Sox as being “in place” – could use a 1B/C though and Basallo would be a good fit.

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        • dm867

          7 months ago

          I’d be shocked if they moved Basallo. Kjerstad moved before Mayo?

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        • Fernando P

          7 months ago

          @sad – So the Orioles will hold the Mayo.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          7 months ago

          Maybe Basallo does get moved?

          Same year Os signed him for a couple mil they convinced high schooler Creed Willems to sign and for big money … 1 mil for an 8th rounder.

          To me, the FO war room definitely wanted a catcher that year and even as Rutschman was churning through the minors.

          A room divided? Half wanted the tall lanky Sandy Alamor catcher type (Basallo), the other half wanting the low to the ground Molina brothers type (Willems). So they compromised. Yes? No? Maybe?

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        • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

          7 months ago

          One of them has to go since rutschman is going nowhere

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  12. panj341

    7 months ago

    MLB has a shortage of HRs so this will help.
    Can they do something to also increase the number of strikeouts?

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    • Braves Butt-Head

      7 months ago

      Cause they keep messing with the ball and Manfred can’t keep his damn hands out of everything be so glad when he’s gone

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  13. Jbigz12

    7 months ago

    I’d be surprised if Suarez is in the rotation or anywhere near as effective this season.

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    • roenickstein

      7 months ago

      Agreed. On April 1st, if the Os are depending on Suarez to be in the rotation we’re in trouble. He should be a bulllpen piece.

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    • gorav114

      7 months ago

      As a 6th starter or bullpen for sure. Not a great idea to rely on him as in the starting five

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  14. King Floch

    7 months ago

    That sucks, I had really grown to like ol’ Walltimore and the “corrected” design is easily the worst of the 3 LF wall configurations (original, Walltimore, and the new proposal).

    On the plus side, Ryan Mountcastle’s 2025 stock just went up considerably if we end up keeping him.

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  15. Jim Carter

    7 months ago

    The Orioles always talk big and usually end up with marginal players.

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  16. rememberthecoop

    7 months ago

    I just don’t get teams who worry about losing draft capital when they have a chance to acquire high-end talent. How often do these lottery tickets pan out anyway? I get that building through the draft is important, but it shouldn’t be part of the calculus when deciding whether to get a guy like Burnes. Instead, I’d be more concerned about the changes in his peripherals.

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  17. CaseyAbell

    7 months ago

    About time they corrected the correction on the wall. I don’t understand why they’re not adding seats, though. Seems silly to have empty space where they could have seats close to the field that would draw some ticket buyers..

    Adding seats might mean the wall would have to be a little higher, but that’s okay. The Mets added a lot of seats when they moved in the Great Wall of Flushing in left field at Citi. And those seats sell most of the time. Fans like to be close to the field.

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    • phillies1993

      7 months ago

      A wall in front of a wall will look bad on TV too. Hopefully they at least put planters there instead of just an empty space.

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      • Armaments216

        7 months ago

        Maybe they’ll put in a nice lawn. With sprinklers.

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        • dm867

          7 months ago

          Tomato plants

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        7 months ago

        The tigers and Mets have a wall on top of a wall

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  18. cooperhill

    7 months ago

    Dumbo,pie in the face.

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  19. Mickey Solis

    7 months ago

    Article today: “Orioles talking to Corbin Burnes and Max Fried.”

    Two days later: “Dodgers buy Corbin Burnes and Max Fried.”

    Dodgers fans: “We don’t buy everyone. Will Smith and Tony Gonsolin were homegrown!”

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    • Big whiffa

      7 months ago

      lol. nailed it

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    • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

      7 months ago

      And then they all get injured about 12 starts in!

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  20. Armaments216

    7 months ago

    Presumably they know which pitchers served up those fly balls that would now be HRs.

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  21. slider32

    7 months ago

    So the O’s are using the old high school trick! When I coached in Arizona in 1970 we flagged where all our players hit the ball for the month of Jan. during practice, then we put up a custom field for the team. Today their are portable fences that teams change every game!

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  22. Niekro floater

    7 months ago

    Heres to hoping those high-end free agent Ps like challenges … “we’re moving the leftfield fence in by 20 ft … n we’re not gonna be able to give u top dollar.”

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  23. enteluj88

    7 months ago

    I’m hoping the Blue Jays are taking notes. Their outfield dimension changes made the park a lot less hitter-friendly than they intended, and coincided with them sacrificing offence for defence – a bad mix.

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    • bestone

      7 months ago

      But…the cup holders more than make up for it.

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  24. jamesryu14

    7 months ago

    It took them three years to realize this? All baseball fans can tell just by looking at how far back and high the fence was

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  25. Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

    7 months ago

    Funny that the O’s do this the very offseason Gleyber Torres hits free agency.

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  26. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    7 months ago

    This is a great idea, but why limit it to baseball?

    The Kansas City Chiefs should make their field wider. The Penguins can make our nets smaller. Whichever NBA team dunks the most and shoots the worst can reduce the diameter of their baskets.

    Sports gerrymandering.

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  27. User 1855579867

    7 months ago

    Why not alter the fences year-to-year depending on roster. Or have modifiable fences to move for each game depending on opposing pitcher.

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  28. dasit

    7 months ago

    this is not a dig at elias because he’s far from the worst but it’s sad to me that baseball executives have started using corporate jargon “affected player personnel thought and outcomes”

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  29. panj341

    7 months ago

    A fence in front of a fence reminds me of Greenberg Gardens at old Forbes Field. It didn’t help Hank Greenberg much but it helped Ralph Kiner lead the league in HRs for many years.

    Reply
  30. Randall Charles

    7 months ago

    What would Baltimore give up for someone like Mariner
    SP Bryan Woo?
    Would woo land westburg?

    Reply
  31. Randall Charles

    7 months ago

    Sp Woo
    RF Haniger
    For
    2B Westburg
    1B Mountcastle

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