Left-hander Max Fried is one of the top pitchers available in free agency this offseason. The Blue Jays are one of the clubs with interest, per Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet. Fried is also connected to the Jays by Jon Heyman of The New York Post, alongside the Orioles and Red Sox. Heyman also mentions that Yankees have checked in with Fried, as well as guys like Corbin Burnes, Blake Snell, Sean Manaea, Anthony Santander and Pete Alonso, but all of those are framed as secondary to their goal of bringing Juan Soto back to the Bronx. For Boston, they have interest in another lefty starter, with Sean McAdam of MassLive reporting they are involved with Garrett Crochet of the White Sox. On the Fenway Rundown podcast (X link), McAdam also identifies the Orioles, Padres and Dodgers as key contenders for Crochet.
Fried, 31 in January, has tossed 884 1/3 innings for Atlanta in his career. In that time, he allowed 3.07 earned runs per nine. His 23.9% career strikeout rate and 6.8% walk rate are both a bit better than average while his 54.4% ground ball rate is quite strong. Among pitchers with at least 850 innings tossed from 2017 to 2024, only Framber Valdez, Logan Webb and Marcus Stroman had a higher ground ball rate than Fried. Of those four, Fried had the highest strikeout rate in that stretch while only Webb had a lower walk rate.
The lefty has also been fairly durable in that time. From 2019 to 2024, he made 11 starts in the shortened 2020 campaign and tossed at least 165 innings in each full season of that stretch except for 2023. Fried has also added another 67 postseason innings as Atlanta has been a fixture of the playoffs during his career. A forearm strain did limited him to 14 starts in 2023, which is perhaps a concern. An inflamed nerve in that same forearm caused him to miss a few starts in 2024 as well, but he was still able to take the ball 29 times and log 174 1/3 innings with a 3.25 ERA.
Atlanta gave Fried a qualifying offer that he is sure to reject while looking for a notable long-term pact. MLBTR’s recent Top 50 Free Agents post predicted Fried for a $156MM deal over six years, the third pitcher on the list behind Burnes and Snell.
Given his track record of success, he’s sure to be popular in the coming weeks and months. It was reported earlier this week that the Jays are planning to pursue starting pitching. They have three established veterans in their rotation, with José Berríos, Kevin Gausman and Chris Bassitt all under contract for next year. Bowden Francis has seemingly earned a gig as well after he posted a 1.80 ERA over his final 11 appearances in 2024.
They have Yariel Rodríguez and Jake Bloss as options for the #5 spot but there’s sense in adding depth. Rodríguez also pitched out of the bullpen at times in 2024 and could be pushed there to begin next year. Bloss only has three big league starts and hasn’t pitched much in the minors either, so having him on optional assignment would make sense. Alek Manoah could theoretically be back in the mix but likely not until late in the year, as he underwent UCL surgery in June.
RosterResource estimates the Jays are about $20MM shy of last year’s payroll, though they could non-tender some of their nine arbitration-eligible players to give themselves more room. Team president Mark Shapiro has indicated that he doesn’t expect the club’s spending to deviate significantly from last year. Giving Fried $26MM per year or something close to it would seemingly use up a decent chunk of their spending power. They also have needs on the infield, in the outfield and in the bullpen. The trade market could help in some of those areas but they will have to assess how to direct their resources in addressing multiple parts of the roster.
The Baltimore rotation just took a big hit as Burnes became a free agent, leaving them with Zach Eflin, Grayson Rodriguez and Dean Kremer as their front three. Kyle Bradish had Tommy John surgery in June and can’t be counted on for a while. Guys like Trevor Rogers or Albert Suárez could fill out the back but there’s sense in pursuing upgrades. Rogers struggled after being acquired from the Marlins while Suárez is a 35-year-old journeyman. Prospects like Chayce McDermott and Cade Povich haven’t yet been established in the major leagues.
The major question for the Orioles this offseason is what their true spending power is. It has now been over six years since they have given a multi-year deal to any free agent. Their four-year deal for Alex Cobb in March of 2018 was the last time they went beyond a one-year pact on the open market, as shown on MLBTR’s Contract Tracker.
Now that their rebuild is long done and David Rubenstein’s purchase of the club has become official, the general expectation is that the O’s will break that streak. But that could come in various forms, such as a two-year deal for someone like Nathan Eovaldi or a three- or four-year pact for someone like Manaea. It’s difficult to say right now whether they plan to be aggressive enough to land someone like Fried or perhaps re-sign Burnes.
For the Red Sox, chief baseball officer Craig Breslow recently said that the club plans to “raise the ceiling” in the rotation. They have a core group of Tanner Houck, Brayan Bello and Kutter Crawford at the moment. Lucas Giolito will be back at some point after undergoing internal brace surgery on his elbow in the middle of March last year. Nick Pivetta is now a free agent but is currently deciding whether or not to accept the qualifying offer that the Sox gave him. Garrett Whitlock could be in the mix but he could also wind up in the bullpen. Quinn Priester, Cooper Criswell and Richard Fitts are possibilities but could also wind up in the minors or in the ’pen.
It appears that the Sox are setting their sights high in pursuing upgrades of that group, with Fried and Crochet both being quality pitchers. Crochet’s move from the bullpen to the rotation in 2024 could hardly have gone better, as he ultimately tossed 146 innings with a 3.58 ERA, 35.1% strikeout rate, 5.5% walk rate and 45.1% ground ball rate.
The rebuilding White Sox have little reason to hold onto him, as Crochet is now just two years away from free agency. Since the White Sox just wrapped up the worst season of the modern baseball era, they probably won’t return to contention in that time. There’s been little to indicate that a contract extension is likely, so Crochet is seen as one of the top trade candidates of this offseason. He is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz for a salary of just $2.9MM next year, meaning he could fit into the budget of any club.
White Sox general manager Chris Getz says the the club is targeting position players in their Crochet trade talks. That could allow them and Boston to line up on a deal, as the Red Sox have a group of prospects known as the “Big Four”. Each of Roman Anthony, Kristian Campbell, Marcelo Mayer and Kyle Teel are nearing their major league debuts, meaning Boston either needs to find space for them on the big league roster or perhaps make them available in trades. McAdam suggests Anthony is untouchable but is less certain about the others in that group.
The White Sox will naturally have to assess what the Red Sox are willing to give up, as well as the other clubs. The Orioles have had one of the best farms in baseball in recent years, though it’s probably not as strong as it was. Many of the top names are now on the big league roster or have been used in trades as the club has pivoted into win-now mode.
The Padres’ interest in Crochet is logical both because they seem to be interested in everybody and also because they have budgetary concerns. Last winter’s Soto trade was largely about cutting payroll and getting the club under the competitive balance tax in the wake of their TV deal falling apart. Per RosterResource, their projected 2025 spending is already slated to blow past last year’s levels and they are right around the CBT line before the offseason has really even begun in earnest. Their rotation took a big hit when Joe Musgrove required Tommy John surgery, so replacing him with someone cheap like Crochet is obviously appealing.
The Dodgers pursued Crochet at the deadline a few months ago but no deal came together. They eventually won the World Series despite their rotation being essentially whittled down to a trio of Jack Flaherty, Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Walker Buehler. Both Flaherty and Buehler are now free agents. The Dodgers will get other guys back in the mix as they heal from injuries, such as Tyler Glasnow and Tony Gonsolin, but they could definitely find space for Crochet.
They have also been repeat CBT payors and therefore face high penalties. Per RosterResource, they are already slated to have a CBT number of $272MM next year, not far from the third tier of penalization with still plenty of offseason left to go.
As for the Yankees, the entire baseball world knows that their top priority is bringing back Soto, which will likely cost something close to $50MM per year for over a decade. If they don’t end up succeeding in bringing Soto back, they will have lots of options for redirecting that money to other parts of the roster. First base is open with Anthony Rizzo becoming a free agent. Soto’s departure would also make it viable to go after another outfielder. The club seemingly considered acquiring Flaherty at the deadline and then dealing Nestor Cortes, so some version of that could be in play again this offseason.
Theoretically, that makes Fried, Alonso, Santander or many other players viable fallback options, but it seems like those will only get real consideration after there’s more clarity with Soto. At this early stage of the offseason, there are infinite possibilities and each development will have domino effects. If some club lands Crochet, the clubs that miss out will have to pivot to other options. The clubs that don’t land Fried will have to adapt as well, as the various pieces of the free agent market and trade market are all interconnected.
TradeAcuna
Go anywhere other than the Braves.
BabyDegenerate
Type of buy low guy my O’s could turn into a sell high
acell10
you gonna continue this all offseason too?
NashvilleJeff
Relax Trade. If the Braves had any intention of keeping Fried he would have been included in the other extensions. Think that the organization might not have enough faith in his arm health to match competing offers.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Why are you acting like he’s logical
NashvilleJeff
Just trying to be kind to a fellow Braves fan……at least— I think he used to be a Braves fan…………….
Tigers3232
@Trade many wish you’d go to any other website but here…
Ducey
The Jays like to talk with all the bigshot FA’s to do their homework. But they never pass the test.
Lindor's Bodyguard
George Springer.
Stealing Signs
Springer, Gausman, Ryu….
But yeah, they never pass the test. JFC
Yankee Clipper
I’m thinking…… Sox?
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I think they aren’t going to be big spenders anymore
My guess is the orioles surprise with their new owner
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, especially since Burns will likely go to the highest bidder. Good point. I hereby officially change my answer to the O’s.
Atloriolesfan
Surprise? The Os should be the CLEAR favorite for Fried. They can sign him and midtier FAs and drop from the current payroll
Tigers3232
@sad tormented My guess is it’s a nisconcieved notion they won’t spend anymore. They missed on Ohtani and Yamamoto last offseason, then seemed to pivot and save for later.
Only time will tell on this. But spending just to spend is rarely the right call. It seems to me they missed their targets last year and had a Plan B of waiting til a bit deeper of a group was available
runningwithnailclippers
Would your Yanks be a possibility to sign him?
Yankee Clipper
I don’t believe so. He’s going to want too much and the Yankees made it clear they aren’t going to do much of anything if they acquire Soto. If they don’t get Soto, I still don’t see them pursuing a TOR arm. I think they will pivot to more mid-rotation arms.
FatChance65
I can save these writers a lot of time: the Red Sox are “interested” in everybody. But that’s it.
bestone
I thought it was the Jays that were in on everybody…
letitbelowenstein
Weren’t the Sox mentioned as being in the mix for Soto, too? That gave me a great laugh.
Bruin1012
Letit, I’m sure they just checked in with Boras on Soto but they aren’t going to spend 50 million a year for him. Probably just a courtesy check in. I do believe that the Red Sox are going to add a starter or two this offseason and one of them will be a tor guy. The Red Sox minor league talent is real and it’s coming fast now is the time to supplement the team.
I can easily see the Red Sox sign Fried and Scott.
tff17
I think Fried is the best fit for the Red Sox among the ace pitchers. Doesn’t mean they’ll get him, but I think it is more likely than the others.
Crochet also a possible fit but that depends on how the White Sox like what they have to offer.
all in the suit that you wear
tff17: Do you have any reservations about Fried’s long-term health? If Burnes has a better outlook, I’d rather sign him.
tff17
Burnes is both the better pitcher and the better health risk, as far as I can tell. But he will also be a lot more expensive, and could sign very late in the off-season.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Well the Rays were mentioned too.
Tigers3232
@Lindor The Rays offered Freemam $150M a few offseasons ago. Now I could never see them paying Soto what he’s likely going to command. I’d have never guessed they’d have offered Freeman $150M either.
Fever Pitch Guy
Fat – The Sox will pursue a SP like they’ve pursued filling every other need with a free agent. They will let other teams outbid them on SP’s and then they will get a perceived “discount” on whatever SP remains.
Just like 3 years ago when they let all the top shortstop free agents sign elsewhere and then they signed what was left (Story).
I still think their big SP acquisition will be Flaherty.
deweybelongsinthehall
I hope not Fever. I’m not a Flaherty guy. Hoping they trade for starters and sign Scott for the pen. Expecting them to find a righty bat as well. Biggest money spent now will be on that bat. If they work out traded for starters, the real test will be to extend them before free agency.
tff17
I agree, if they sign Flaherty then it will be a sign that nothing has changed – and nothing will change on the field.
I”m hoping for change here.
Fever Pitch Guy
tff – I think they will acquire two SP, one of which will definitely be a lefty. I’m not holding my breath on Fried or Snell though, I think they will spread the spending/prospects on 2 SP, 1 RP, and 1 RHB.
I do think they could get Crochet, which is fine depending on who they give up for him.
tff17
I’m still expecting them to end up with Pivetta, but they need one other top starter. Fried and Crochet are the best choices.
Only way you can sign a RHB is if you trade Yoshida and/or Abreu to open space. At this time they have more talent in the OF than they have PT for.
If a healthy Grissom can handle 2B, then Campbell looks elsewhere for his PT. He’s an offensive force, less power but a more balanced hitter than Hernandez.
They could stand pat and sign a SP and a RP, or they could work some trades. Trades are always a challenge to predict because they depend on how teams line up.
Fever Pitch Guy
tff – I would really prefer they don’t trade Duran or Abreu until they’ve gotten a really good look at Anthony in ST and at the major league level for half a season. I know he’s probably going to turn into a stud, but still there’s no guarantees. Plenty of guys have raked in the minors and couldn’t hit in the majors. In the chat yesterday Mark agreed with Pete Abe that probably only one or two of CMAT will pan out. If I had to choose, Mayer with his injury history could be one of the three that flames out.
tff17
I agree it is very possible that Anthony is a marginal ML player next year, just as Rafaela was this year. You gotta break in eventually, though, and if the coaches think he is ready then I’m not going to object.
I expect at least three out of those four to develop into regular starters, and one or two to be stars. Agreed that they won’t all dominate.
Fever Pitch Guy
tff – Getting back to you on your hope for change, my understanding is 2025 season ticket sales (which they started pushing in August) is not going very well. People aren’t rushing to sign up or renew, not even corporate customers. So if there’s a change toward trying to compete, that would explain it.
Geez it wasn’t that long ago when there used to be an enormous waiting list just for the opportunity to buy season tickets. Times have definitely changed, and not for the better.
tff17
They can’t honestly expect people to pay those prices for a .500 team, can they?!?
I don’t know the minds of Henry & Co., but I know what I want to see. I want to see them get an ace pitcher, and I want them to spend up to the luxury tax to complete this team.
Sagacity
TFF17 – I think they can expect people to pay but I’m guessing that’s going to be a disappointment to them. You can’t win 4 times in 15 years then abandon the fans without a reaction.
I think you and Fever Pitch Guy are thinking practically in your comments. Players don’t just come up and are instant successes like so many seem to think will happen. Duran showed some skills then struggled and Cora dumped to #9 and discouraged him and his own intestinal fortitude propelled him to stardom. Rafaela is going through a similar experience and we’ll see what he is made of as he reacts to the poor treatment by Cora. Like Mookie and Duran, sometimes a gut check is the best thing to build the big fire in the gut that it takes to go from league average player to all-star. My hope for Rafaela is that he generates that motivation and shifts his career into another gear. He’s at a point where many Red Sox prospects have been since Cora came to Boston. Some ended up like Dalbec, Chavis and Benny while others got excessive opportunities to play despite a lack of talent like Jeter Downs and Verdugo and got moved out of Boston. I hope our top prospects all get a fair chance and get treated like Abreu not Rafaela.
Think about what an impact the support or lack of support means to a prospect. In 2023, Rafaela hit .294 at AA and .312 in AAA after hitting .330 in 2022 at Hi-A and .278 at AA. That’s an awful lot of success to be viewed as a loser by some many fans.
While on the flip side we see an Abreu who is two years older and who got to hit in the heart of the order rather than last and his success prior to arriving in the majors was .274 at AAA at age 24 in 2023 after coming to Boston from Houston in 2022. In 2022, he hit .242 in AA in BOS and .249 in AA in HOU and .167 in the Arizona Fall League.
Reading the two histories you can see why it makes no sense that the two year younger player who got stuck in the 9th spot like Duran a couple years before got treated the way he did by Cora and Abreu got to hit in the heart of the order. Sometimes, success is given to some and taken from others when a manager is crap. Duran and Mookie both overcame the Boston Front Office and Managerial mistakes but that’s a lot to ask of a 23 year star player who got boxed into trying too hard to prove himself since he got placed behind the 8 ball by an idiot manager. I really hope he rebounds and I hope Teel, Anthony and Campbell don’t get the Duran/Rafaela treatment. I hope all of them get treated like kings like Abreu did so they can maximize their potential rather than completely doubt their abilities. This group of farm players present a great opportunity for the future but a lot depends on how effective Breslow is in limiting Cora’s prejudice. A bad manager can be an monumental hurtle for success.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I’d be afraid Max Fried might need TJS soon like in 2025.
If any team gives him major money over a 4 year span I’ll be surprised
Buyer Beware. Good pitching is valuable but be smart on who you choose. Kikuchi might have just as much value on a shorter deal.
C Yards Jeff
31 and forearm issues. Stay away.
Lindor's Bodyguard
And QO
Saint Nick
Whoever signs him will regret it.
RunDMC
My prediction: LAD won’t show any interest, while many teams will circle with few significant offers. LAD will offer a deferred contract late in the offseason (Feb?) where he ultimately signs, and he’ll say in a press conference he’s fulfilling a dream and ‘always wanted to be there’ while sporting a green tie and white buttondown (Joseph Abboud) under his Dodgers jersey with a gold chain given to him by his new fiancee as a Christmas present.
NashvilleJeff
Max used his Union rep speak and talked a bit about his responsibility in “trying to advance salary for the position” a few times in the last couple of years. Have to wonder how well that’s going to work out for him. Have no idea what the Braves offered him in past extension negotiations, but have the feeling he might come to regret not taking AA’s offer.
RunDMC
Very true. I don’t think Swanson regrets it having a lot more money to spend it come a very quiet October in the Windy City. I wonder if he’ll regret not having a NTC after Year 3.
NashvilleJeff
Ha ha, he might. At least he’s got Mallory (and all that money) to snuggle up to.
l9ydodger
@RunDMC; you serious Clark?
RunDMC
Deada$$
ryrockak
The Cubs have been frequently mentioned to be interested. Why no mention of them?!
Bucket Number Six
Jed is waiting until the last possible free agent is available so he can overpay him.
Blackpink in the area
Those 3 teams all make a ton of sense for Fried. Jays probably need to sign someone instead of making a trade since their farm system is a bit weak. But I could see the Orioles signing him too. Less likely the Red Sox sign him unless Pivetta declines the qualifying offer.
Canuckleball
Orioles make more sense from a need standpoint. They have a young but solid offense and they could really use some top notch pitching, especially if they can’t retain Burnes.
The Jays have limited spending room and a desperate need for multiple impact bats. They really shouldn’t be wasting what limited payroll space they have on adding a pitcher, even if he could help them.
Blackpink in the area
The Orioles have prospects they can afford to trade. But if they are willing to spend to get Fried then so be it i think it makes sense.
The Jays are kinda going for it in 2025 knowing it might not last or work out. An older pitcher on a shorter deal might make more sense for them but Fried is good and they could use him for sure.
Dice 66
Pirates setting there with wave of young pitching!? They need hitters make mega deal! Shake it up!
Joeypower
Who told you they have “limited”spending room?
TheGr8One
Their GM did. Got under the tax said they’re staying under. Good enough source for you?
Canuckleball
@ Joeypower
It says so right in the article above:
“RosterResource estimates the Jays are about $20MM shy of last year’s payroll, though they could non-tender some of their nine arbitration-eligible players to give themselves more room. Team president Mark Shapiro has indicated that he doesn’t expect the club’s spending to deviate significantly from last year. Giving Fried $26MM per year or something close to it would seemingly use up a decent chunk of their spending power. They also have needs on the infield, in the outfield and in the bullpen. The trade market could help in some of those areas but they will have to assess how to direct their resources in addressing multiple parts of the roster.”
NoSaint
@Joeypower
Shapiro in his end of year presser. He insinuated they have about 50M in payroll space.
Stealing Signs
The Jays have have the second richest owner in baseball. They can afford to go past the luxury tax if they choose. Not advocating for signing Fried tho.
As for what’s been reported, it;s not like they’re going to publicly state they’re willing to break the bank for multiple FA’s.
Tigers3232
I can see team being leery of stating they ll be increasing payroll if they are not sure they will as it could alienate fans.
As for players, an unwillingness to spend could make signing the first free agent tougher and a domino effect from there. Ohtani even got assurances in his contract that the team will spend and continue to do so to remain competitive.
I just don’t buy into the notion that teams are using the media to deceive other teams and/or agents. Each pro sport is a rather small fraternity and I’m sure internal rumors are rampant. Most teams likely have contacts and other sources in nearly every organization and have a very good pulse of where others are and of their plans.
FartPocket
Stfu Roger Beshens. Nobody cares. You keep trying to take credit for pitchers improving. Go back to tossing salads behind the Wendy’s dumpster.
NashvilleJeff
@Baatza: Fried was a rookie in 2018 who pitched in 14 games. Most of his appearances came out of the pen—-5 starts. Are you attributing Fried’s success to a pitch—his slider—that he throws 11% of the time? He’s got a strong 6 pitch repertoire w/one of the best ground ball rates in MLB. His slider is his 5th most used pitch. Change @5% is his least used. Roger Beshens has nothing to do w/Fried’s success. Btw—Fried has always been a tick above or below a 9 K per inning rate in his career w/the exception of 2018’s short sample size (11.76 K9.)
FartPocket
I toss the FartPocket cricket slider. Which I taught to Randy Johnson, Mariano Rivera, and Scott Stapp ( just for fun).
And it’s such an easy thing to learn Glasnow could just teach the Rays so they didn’t need Roger Beshens?? Sounds like just normal pitching advice. No need to name it after yourself.
King Floch
Bruh.
Do you get paid every time you post “Roger Beshens” or something?
Fever Pitch Guy
King – I always just figured it is Roger posting.
King Floch
Also a completely plausible explanation.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Is Roger Beshens even a real person? Sounds like a made up name to me.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – Some guy named Bill Brasky confirmed Roger is a real person.
tff17
If he is a real person, he probably has a mother. Bet it is her!
Tigers3232
@Baatza I’m assuming that you can’t be so incompetent to not know that nobody takes your comments seriously.
That said. Do you really have that little going on in life that you have to waste your time with this childish pettiness?? Seriously get a hobby dude…
jbigz12
That’s Roger for sure. Take a look at his Facebook though. How he spins that he was in the clubhouse teaching is pretty hilarious. He’s screaming to the bullpen from the outside.
Strom asks him “are you the guy taking credit for a slider”
x.com/RBeshens/status/1853133198164984036
Only in his world can you pretend this is anything but embarrassing.
Tigers3232
@Baatza
si.com/mlb/2022/05/05/rise-of-the-sweeper-the-open…
Well Roger is taking credit for a variation of a pitch that’s been around for decades. The slider itself has been around for over 100 years.
Tigers3232
Roger himself(if it’s not you) mimicked Carlton who tweaked the traditional slider which has been around since the 1920’s. David Cone had been throwing a version of a tweaked slider aka a sweeper in the 90s.
Roger did not invented or create a version of anything. There are numerous stories tracing lineage of today’s sweepers. You are DELUSIONAL!!
Tigers3232
@Baatza Again no mention of Cone?? Come on Roger we all know this is not a new pitch. You yourself pitched a version of Carlton’s that you yourself admit on Social Media which you so love to reference.
Time for you to except that you invented nothing and just by giving it your own personal name, you are not going to monetize off of it in any way. And BTW everyone else calls the pitch that has evolved in some form for decades a sweeper.
Again there are countless stories wrote tracing the spike in modern usage of the “sweeper” back to David Cone. You know the MLB player, not one article tracing it to some random guys Facebook page, LMAO!!!
Tigers3232
LMAO, nobody cares about Roger whoever. And nobody is saying anything against learning. Carlton learned by putting a dot on a ball and trying to release it just like a fastball. That is same iteration that eventually made it’s way to Cone and onto current MLB players. Nobody has mentioned Riger whoever other than you…
Get a clue already.
Tigers3232
Oh BTW Ryne Nelson started throwing his slider more back in 2023. Seriously get a life dude….
fangraphs.com/players/ryne-nelson/26253/pitch-type…
Tigers3232
Carlton’s slider was similar to a sweeper in movement. And Roger whoever is no David Cone. So for you Roger to try and diminish David Cone is absolutely laughable.
Again there are numerous articles tracing the modern usage of the sweeper to David Cone. Bot some random bum named Roger.
Tigers3232
Steve Carlton cared about putting a dot on a ball. Would you now like to diminish his accomplishments??
Now you are going to ignore the fact Ryne Nelson started throwing his slider often in 2023 not after your alleged visit in 2024??
You sure don’t like facts that go against your delusion.
I’m done with this have a good day in lala land….
Tigers3232
That Fangraphs link has pitch usage. We live in an information age. The info is all there. Just as the info tracing the current usage to David Cone.
And BTW Carlton put the dot just to better track the change in movement. He did mention grip and arm slot. You yourself attribute the pitch to Carlton on social media.
It’s pathetic you are trying to take credit for something you did not do.
Again have a good day.
Fever Pitch Guy
King – It’s like having a conversation with Rickey Henderson, remember how he always went 3rd person. LOL!
Tigers3232
DAVID CONE
Tigers3232
DAVID CONE…
Tigers3232
You are mentally unstable Roger
…
Tigers3232
No I saw your Twittwr Roger. You ate consumed by your delusion. Honestly you should consider seeking professional help…
jbigz12
Strom is no longer employed by the Dbacks so why you’d have any concern releasing an unedited video is beyond me. It’s clear to everyone else that the video was cut to paint you in the best light you could. ( which isn’t good anyway)
FartPocket
@jbigz I think they let Roger Beshens in the clubhouse like they would for a child. He was yelling at them during their bullpen session like a simpleton. They probably thought “Let’s just humor this moron for a while and maybe he will go back to the bleachers.”
Tigers3232
@Baatza
nytimes.com/2023/04/12/sports/baseball/sweeper-pit…
Manu Yankees and also mention of the Astros in 2017. FYI that’s a yr prior to 2018 😉
Tigers3232
@Baatza
kxan.com/sports-general/what-is-a-sweeper-a-look-a…
Here is talking about Adam Ottavino throwing it in some form for 15 years, again we’ll before 2018. Also the Yankee connection spoke of above.
Bur keep trying to peddle your B.S. Roger
FartPocket
Sure, Roger. You did great, buddy. Everyone was like “Wow Roger, you’re so cool. *clapping* Roger, Roger, Roger! You should yell at us from outside the bullpen all the time!”
My guy, your awkward social interactions are just that…awkward. Stop trying to speak in third person, you are failing. It’s cool you got an autograph.
FartPocket
Your ip address matches that of the Twitter post from Roger Beshens.
Tigers3232
@Baatza except Nelson was throwing the pitch in 2022 and you confidently ignore all the other links dismissing the timeliness of your claims.
HAHAHA LMAO
Tigers3232
I’m not acknowledging any of your hyperbole til you first acknowledge the numerous links provided for you…..
Tigers3232
I ll some up the confusion for you Roher’s ghost writer named Roger. The current pitch thrown in MLB is a sweeper. It is an attempt to throw a slider that comes out of hand like a fastball and breaks differently. This is something that has been done in various ways dating back well before Carlton. There have been numerous iteration of this same type of slider going back to Whitey Ford.
There is an account of the lineage and current spread of today’s use of sweeper and it dates earlier than 2018 and is well accounted for in various articles.
Roger if you posted a video in 2018 it’s pure happenstance. What you say has no bearing on how MLB is played, bor does what I say.
I’m not sure how you have yet to grasp that not a single person mentions you anywhere or credits you in any fashion. Trying to give a gimmicky name to a pitch does not change that.
Finally, you yourself in that last sentence ate grasping the fact this was widely used by Astros by the year 2017 and was being used in MLB games. 2017 is prior to this 2018 birth of an adaptation you have vehemently claimed. I think that pretty well puts this matter to bed Roger. I gotta get ready to make some of my football shaped sliders for the Lions game today.
Fever Pitch Guy
Roger – I’ve heard that on your website you have screenshots of text conversations with a pitcher. Why would you do that? Did he give you permission? Is he even aware? That is creepy stuff right there.
If you wanted the guy to promote you, why not just ask him to do a video testimonial?
BigFishPike
Devin, 77 IP 7 losses 666, played a key role in three coaches losing their jobs, he allowed external disturbances to impact him and others, which was completely avoidable.
In regards to the video testimonial, it can be difficult to ask for something different after someone has already made a suggestion.
Joemo
For the Red Sox: Fried sure. Hard no on Crochet. The weird comments at the deadline about needing an extension to pitch in the playoffs is just one of the reasons.
TheGr8One
Jays not in on this at all it’s fluff so the fanbase can see they are “trying”. 20 million to spend and holes elsewhere. Article suggests non tendering others sure now more holes to fill and you blew your wad on Fried. Going over the tax would be a 30% penalty they aren’t doing it. Gonna fill their holes with cheap veterans or via trade and roll it out there. Expect no significant payroll additions until at least 2026
Mickey Solis
What’s the point of these articles? Oh sure, these other teams are “interested” in everyone, but the Dodgers can sign all or any of them if they want and probably will because it’s a broken league. But bring on the loser clown Dodgers fans telling us all that our favorite team’s owner could spend exactly the same amount. A pathetic attempt to cushion what their team is doing.
RunDMC
That’s all true, and yet you’re still kicking rocks. Let ’em enjoy a real championship, while it still has the new car smell. They paid a pretty penny for it. That being said, SF offered the same deal to Ohtani (reportedly) and LAA could have (and didn’t) b/c Arte wrote “The Arte of the Deal” — and yet they still ended up with Ohtani (and more). More teams could go deferred and push it into the future, but they don’t. The same way you’re not taking out a loan to buy that nicer car when the one you have that’s paid off does the job just as well.
TheGr8One
You make it sound like the Dodgers weren’t 5th in payroll and 76 million under the top spending team. It’s not always how much you spend but how you spend it. Kansas City has won a ring more recently than the Yankees. Other ways to win than just throwing money at it ask the Mets.
Mickey Solis
Come on that payroll thing is a joke because if the deferred money. And just look at all their shiny purchases they’ve accumulated over the years that other teams couldn’t dream of adding except maybe the New York teams or Boston.
TheGr8One
So the Dodgers are the only one that can get players by deferring money? Got it didn’t know of the rule oh wait don’t we still celebrate Bobby Bonilla day?
Tigers3232
@Mickey No the joke is that people like you can’t grasp that defered $ is accounted for annually at its present value. In Ohtani’s case the value of 2024 deferral was $44M and they were charged accordingly against the cap.
You should take some time and look up “accrued money”.
TheGr8One
Nor the fact that the Orioles still owe Chris Davis 60 some million until 2037. Deferred money ain’t new bro
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
No mention of the braves being interested in resigning?
Didn’t they almost get Aaron Nola last year? Where did that potential money go?
NashvilleJeff
Looks like the Braves don’t trust Fried’s arm health. One of the reasons they targeted Nola last offseason was because of his durability.
ATLbravos
love the guy in regular season but that 5.10 post season era doesnt help much… wish the best for him and hope he lands a big payday
Samuel
Ahhh the offseason…….
The contenders are all interested in the best free agents. Who’d a thunk it?!?!
Next comes media and fans writing and saying things that after the players are signed we find 95% never happened.
Wake me when it’s over.
DirtyWater04
Yeah, yeah, the Sox are “interested.” Heard that one a hundred times before. Wake me up when it actually translates to signing somebody with a pulse.
If they were smart, they’d end the Whitlock as a starter experiment, add two high end starters, and find a decent arm or two for the bullpen. I like Crochet as a trade target and Fried as a free agent target. I also like Buehler or Snell as a secondary FA target though I expect the former to stay in LA and the latter to prefer to stay somewhere on the West Coast.. If Pivetta accepts his QO, keep him on hand to be the swiss army knife – spot start duty when guys are hurt or need a day off, otherwise multi-inning relief role on nights when guys don’t go deep. If they insist on going dumpster diving again, I suppose you could probably talk me into taking a flier on Bieber or Means, but that cannot be our big addition this year.
Not holding my breath on any of it, because it would require Tightwad Henry to open his pocket book. But it’s fun to dream.
Bird4Life
Whose football slider was it?
King Floch
Roger Beshens, or so I hear.
Fever Pitch Guy
King – Perhaps Roger is having money issues.
Bruin1012
I have never blocked anyone on this site but this clown might just be the first. The slider has been around a long time Beshan’s probably learned his slider from Eck which was a devastating. This guy needs to end the broken record.
DanielDannyDano
Max Fried in T.O. is a fantasy. Total BS. It’s most likely Fried will sign with the Dodgers. He’s a So Cal guy. The J’s would be better served to offer Ryan Yarbrough a 3 year deal with a starter guarantee. Spend the big money on Vladdy
C Yards Jeff
If the Orioles due decide to risk going after a big contract SP, hopefully they can retain Burnes. Small injury history including no indication of forearm or elbow issues.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think Burnes mandatory obligatory Tommy John may be soon on the horizon since he hasn’t had one yet. I would factor that inevitable time lost into any contract.
nonchalanto
You are a broken record with this Football Slider. “MLB should relay this information on to EX ML pitchers so they can teach the same thing and ALSO provide valuable experience information.” Have you taken this task upon yourself? Have the “insiders” you are “talking to” asked you to pass on this “valuable experience information”? Is this the latest bitcoin scam? What child goes to a game and asks about the career of the Yankee pitching coach? What are you on?
Ashleyr
Back in 1970 when I was pitching in bantam ball, I threw the ball like a football. It was called a knuckle=curve and it broke left into the hitter about 24 inches break. I could turn it over for right handed hitters. I could also throw a rising curve ball and the way I released the grip would see it break up and in on both sides of the plate. Let me guess and Baatza will say I stole the pitches from Roger Beshians. This was back in 1970 or fifty-four years earlier. lol
runningwithnailclippers
Are you this Roger Beshens rep or something?
Poolhalljunkies
I cant wait for the red sox to sign one of these high end players then read all those haters making jokes say how they overpaid or its a mistake lol
Fever Pitch Guy
Pool – I am not sure who you mean by haters, but the Sox have a well documented history … the few times they have opened their wallet for free agents, it was money poorly spent … Story and Giolito ring a bell? In both instances I wrote before the signings “stay away from these guys” but alas the Red Sox did not listen.
Poolhalljunkies
Since i cant reply to you fpg .the haters are all the people making jokes about them. Those same people will criticize them once they do sign someone..you are the worst offender and i think you know this or it wouldnt bother you lol
Fever Pitch Guy
Pool – What on Earth are you talking about? I haven’t muted you… at least not this account of yours. If I had then not only would I not have been able to reply to your post, I wouldn’t have even seen it. I think you just outed yourself as having multiple accounts. LOL!!
And i am one of millions who are unhappy with ownership and the front office the past 6 years. Even SOSH folks notorious for being ownership and front office suckups in the past are now disgusted with the entire front office and ownership.
Sure I probably post most of6en about it here because I’m an active poster, but I’m just one of many angry about how my team is being run.
Poolhalljunkies
Well something is odd since i cant reply to you…only have one account…had to reply to my own post to converse
Fever Pitch Guy
Pool – Yeah definitely on your end, as I’m obviously seeing and replying to your posts. Hope you haven’t been mad at me thinking I muted you.
Salvi
As proof to show hes not a hater fpg gives the two examples of hating the Story and Giololiti signings.
Too funny. He hates every move.
Que the backup accounts to attack in 3 . . 2 . . 1.
acell10
FPG also likes to make stuff too to prove his point. when he gets tired of being dunked on he mutes people. Its funny
Sagacity
Acell10 = Fever Pitch Guy has made recommendations that I have agreed with and disagreed with. He likes players I don’t like and doesn’t like players I like but I can say that about most people posting on this site. All you can do is voice your opinion, back it up with some logic and facts and move on.
I tend to tie the quality of the acquisition to the quality of the GM. I am not a fan of Bloom because he made mistakes and did next to nothing right. Everyone doesn’t have to agree with me but too many claim silly things like I am prejudice against him. I’m not. I evaluated him based on my baseball knowledge and from the moment he traded Mookie, he continued to make mistakes until he was fired. Story was one of his mistakes. When I point out Devers fielding percentage it’s because it’s an obvious mistake. Again, it’s not a bias, it’s an evaluation of his lack of skill at fielding and the consistency of it since he was 14 years old. You have stated how bizarre that is in your opinion and that makes no sense to me because I have volumes of data supporting exactly how bad he is. It’s simply an evaluation, nothing sinister or bizarre about it. He’s literally the worst 3B since the dead ball era.
You still have taken cheap shots at me for being prejudice and suggest I’m a bad guy like Fever Pitch Guy. I don’t believe either of us are bad guys simply because you disagree with our opinions.
Several of you call people haters because you don’t agree and that’s not something that can be fixed, it’s a personality trait. If you had been around the game as long as others maybe you could accept that a poor evaluation of a player isn’t someone hating on them, it’s someone displeased with the performance of a player or GM or even more often a Manager.
So to clarify the point you guys are arguing about. It’s a case of apples and oranges. The apples are all the mistakes in contracts made by Bloom which includes most of the 2018 championship team The oranges are the mistakes made by Breslow in the last year. Giolito was a gamble that backfired and cost a major portion of the funds released by ownership in the last year. O’Neill was a similar risk but it paid off better but has now presented Breslow another opportunity to make a big mistake with a 120 game a year player. Clearly, Breslow is dealing with issues we don’t understand when it comes to money so like Fever Pitch Guy I am skeptical of him being able to land a quality pitcher like Fried when alternatives that might be slightly less expensive would be more in line with what he’s done so far. I would love to see Fried in a Red Sox uniform since Breslow wasn’t smart enough to keep Cora away from Sale and let his coaching staff work with Sale to return him to Cy Young form. So now Sale is a Cy Young winner in ATL and we need a SP#1 just like we did when Sale needed TJ. The Sale contract was not a mistake, the mistake was made in the implementation of Sale at the top of the rotation with an inexperienced Manager. It doesn’t matter now because the mistake was made and is in the past.
Rather than expressing your guess that people are going to criticize any move Breslow makes, why not suggest what you think he should do and why it would be better than the alternatives being considered. That way, all the baggage disappears from the conversation. It’s just a suggestion. I hope you consider it.
acell10
I’ve never taken personal shots at you so I don’t know where you’re getting that from….unless you’re KD17/trolled free who often mistook counter points for personal attacks at which I still haven’t taken any shots at you. You may just be taking this personally that aren’t meant to be as such.
JoeBrady
When people are wrong often enough, they tend to take things more personally. It’s a bit like the last election. I think some people are far madder because they were so far wrong.
Sagacity
Acell10 = I guess I simply misunderstood. Glad to hear we have no issues. Thanks for the clarification.
King Floch
I’d prefer to keep Burnes, but if he cannot be retained, Fried would certainly be a pretty nice consolation prize.
jbigz12
Why not both?!
goalieguy41
West coast
Bruin1012
This must be Beshan’s burner account. Did he teach Eckersley that slider as well. lol.
Bruin1012
Well Eckersley’s pitch was near unhittable and way before your hero and broke a ton so yea I’m sure he helped out with another incredible slider that Steve Carlton. It’s just a different way to find break in baseball it’s been happening for 100 years but sure Beshan’s invented it.
Bruin1012
It’s a tale as old as time in baseball pitchers trying to figure out a way to fool hitters but sure take credit for it Roger.
3 finger split
You must be new to baseball and/or pitching or trying to teach someone how to pitch…this “Football” slider has been around for a long time and I was teaching it back in the 80’s along with a few other “grip” pitches like the 3 finger split….grip and seams along with pressure. We referred to the “Football” slider as a “Hook” slider because to get the right stiff wrist you needed to “Hook” the ball very similar to the way Jason Adam for the Padres “Hooks” it. and he has great success with his version.
bigalcathey
I’m sure all 32 teams are interested. The question is- how many are interested in shelling out $150 million +?
TheGr8One
Seattles not interested. Down to 31.
JoeBrady
Fried feels like an injury waiting to happen. I hope the RS pass.
Sagacity
Joe – Are you thinking TJ? Or maybe his lack of 100 plus innings in his career at age 30?
My take on Fried is he was always a solid pitcher but like so many young pitchers he didn’t have great command in his early 20s. During the COVID year Fried was 26 and finally got command of his pitches and put up both an excellent ERA and WHIP (2.22 and 1.09). His ERA was never the problem so his ability to miss bats has always been good but walks created runners which often led to higher ERAs than he should have had.
Since 2023, he has greatly improved his control and brought his WHIP to a comparable level as his ERA but his endurance is a bit suspect. He’s also very, very good in September and that is something needed in Boston.
For me it comes down to whether the minor mid season issues that have occurred the last two years are going to become a way of life or are in his past. When healthy, he’s an ace and dominant. When nicked up a bit he struggles during June and July and then recovers and finishes strong.
His history should suppress his payout so if we get a healthy Fried, he’ll pay big dividends. I like him like I liked Bieber last spring. Coming off his worst year which happened to be better than any other Boston pitcher just like Fried last year and Bieber was proving he was a good pick up right up until he needed TJ surgery. I think he’s another risky guy we should pursue because his stuff at the start of last year was vintage Bieber and his price was discounted. Now, after TJ, it’s going to be even more discounted but the skill is still there.
JoeBrady
Sagacity
Joe – Are you thinking TJ?
=========================
On Fried, it is part numbers nd part feeling.
His Kw has gone from 5.31 to 4.44 to 2.91. It’s only a two-year decline, but it is a bit worrisome. And he feels a bit inconsistent, like he doesn’t always have the same stuff.
Of course, as you say, these things will be reflected in his contract.
Sagacity
Joe, = I agree that his mid summer months seem shaky compared to the others. I do like his Sept performances. We need that.
Bruin1012
Joe all pitchers are an injury waiting to happen. If we worry about that to much then we will never add impact free agent talent. The Red Sox are in a much better position to handle pitching injuries since I believe there AAA rotation will be among the best in AAA with legit talent. Fitts, Priester, Dobbins, Criswell, and probably Penrod. All of whom can impact the big leagues next year. It’s time to go for ownership there is a ton of young controllable talent coming. The time is now.
JoeBrady
I agree on the strategy, maybe just not on Fried (or Burnes). I want Sasaki, and then either Snell, or Bieber, or maybe a subsidized Montgomery.
Tigers3232
@Baatza There shouldn’t be individuals with this little going on in their lives such as yourself. Yet here you are…
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
If Beshens wants to take credit for the football slider then he should also take credit for the huge increase in Tommy John surgeries and other pitcher ailments we have seen lately due to the increase in pitchers throwing the sweeper/football slider. It’s probably an all around net negative. Where can we send the bills Roger?
Youkilyptus
Such a thorough article! Thanks for the great content, you’re keeping me going!
King Floch
Roger, please.
This isn’t healthy behavior.
VA/NC Orioles
Fried would certainly be a big get for the O’s. Bonus is that Povich could stand to pick his brain routinely as they have similar arsenal and mechanics. Povich had some rough outings but looked like he began to figure things out a bit at the end. O’s need to come into camp with 6-7 starters and compete as they were derailed by health as the season went on. Wells and Bradish should be back at or around August so they will be in great shape.
Bigger concern, surprisingly is offense. They have a lot of nice pieces but no one seems to want to be “the guy.” Gunnar was clearly tired at end of season and imo is better suited for 3b similar to the Manny Machado experience to keep him somewhat ready for October push.
Jim Carter
Wake me when the Orioles actually make bold moves versus “being interested”. I’m not ready to believe anything will be different under new ownership.
C Yards Jeff
They traded for Burnes. Pretty bold move.
kingbum
Boston needs 2 Frontline starters….Freid is the kind of dumpster diving we should do…A #2 coming off of a bad season, he could bounce back. I think Henry will spend up to the tax threshold. He doesn’t want to give other teams money…
Sagacity
Kingbum = Fried had a bad year but it was an anomaly. Buying low is always a smart move when it comes to elite SPs. Like Bieber a year ago, Fried sets up to be one of the best steals of the off season. He solves the need for a SP1 and the need for a Lefty. He’s perfect for Boston.
Max needs a 5 year deal from Boston paying him $25 Million a year or more if it takes more. The deal would be the best deal in Boston since they signed JD Martinez in 2018. That’s how long it’s been since we’ve had a quality signing. I hope it happens along with another SP to be at the top of the rotation as well. $60 Million should be the budget for the two SPs. The money under the CAP is there and there has never been an issue with respect to profits of the organization.
Once those two things get done, This team will be positioned to make a run at the division in 2025, especially if they get a right handed power hitting 3B and move Devers to DH. The excess spending that is a sunk cost needs to be inconsequential. If some can be recovered/salvaged – Great. If not, forget about it and move forward with plays to win the division..
Bruin1012
Max Fried is not dumpster diving. If last year was considered a “bad year” for Max Fried sign me up. He threw 174 innings he had a 59% ground ball rate he had a 3.25 era and 1.16 whip all are very solid numbers but if you dig deeper into advanced statistics he’s among the best at limiting hard contact and Barrels in baseball. Quite simply the guy is really hard to square up. I look at any free agent pitcher as a risk of injury pitching is an unnatural motion and puts a lot of stress on the elbow and shoulder but you have to take chances to add real talent. This is a guy Boston should try and add. If they can add Fried and Scott I would consider it a successful off season and A+ season would be to add two tor and Scott but I’m not holding my breath there.