6:35pm: In a full column at The Athletic, Rome writes that the Astros have unsurprisingly received calls on Tucker. He indicates that none of those discussions have become serious but reports that Brown is indeed willing to consider moving one of the two players if the right opportunity presents itself.
6:20pm: Astros general manager Dana Brown met with reporters this evening at the Winter Meetings. In addition to reiterating their longstanding desire to re-sign Alex Bregman, Brown left the door at least slightly open to trading one of his star players.
In response to a question about the team’s willingness to field interest in Kyle Tucker and Framber Valdez, Brown replied he “would listen on all the players” (X link with video via Brian McTaggart of MLB.com). It doesn’t seem they’re actively shopping either, however.
“We’ll listen on anybody. We’re not trying to aggressively move anybody out the door… If it doesn’t make sense, we wouldn’t do it,” Brown expanded (relayed on X by Matt Kawahara of the Houston Chronicle). “So it really would have to make sense. Because right now we’re a good team and we’re not motivated to move any of these guys.”
An open-mindedness to conversation isn’t a declaration that either player is on the block. It still seems likelier than not that both will begin next season in Houston. That said, there’s at least a little bit of chatter about the possibility of the Astros pulling off a blockbuster. Chandler Rome of the Athletic floated the idea last week, pointing out that it’d open a fair amount of immediate payroll space while helping to replenish a poor farm system. Jon Morosi of the MLB Network tweets that there’s “some buzz” around the Meetings regarding the potential for a Tucker trade, in particular.
Both players would net a strong return. They’re each down to their final year of arbitration but are among the best in baseball at their respective positions. Tucker, whom MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects for a $15.8MM salary, hit 23 home runs in only 78 games this year. He slashed .289/.408/.585 across 339 plate appearances. A nagging right leg injury cost him a few months, but Tucker’s rate production was the best of his career. He’s one of the game’s five to 10 best hitters and trending towards a free agent deal that could push near $400MM.
There’s little to suggest the Astros are going to make a push to sign Tucker to that kind of contract. Even if they expect him to walk in 12 months, a trade would be a tough sell. Houston is trying to win another AL West title. They wouldn’t come close to replacing Tucker’s production if they move him. They’re already thin in the outfield, where Chas McCormick and Jake Meyers are the other projected starters. Yordan Alvarez could see time in left field, but manager Joe Espada said today the Astros were hoping to scale back his outfield work to give him more reps at designated hitter (X link via Rome).
Valdez probably wouldn’t bring quite the same return as Tucker. He’d arguably be easier to replace, though the Astros would be placing a lot of faith in injury returnees Luis Garcia and Lance McCullers Jr. to do so. The southpaw is coming off a 2.91 ERA showing through 176 2/3 innings. Valdez has topped 175 frames in three straight years. He hasn’t allowed an ERA above 3.45 in any of those seasons. While his strikeout rates are more good than great, Valdez posts elite ground-ball numbers.
Swartz projects Valdez for a $17.8MM salary in his final arbitration year. That’s a notable sum but still well below what he’d make for one season if he were a free agent. (Frankie Montas just signed for $17MM annually over two seasons, for example.) Valdez is going into his age-31 season and could be limited to a five-year free agent contract, but he’s on track for a deal that lands well north of $100MM. The Astros have a better chance of re-signing him than they do of keeping Tucker, but neither player seems especially likely to remain in Houston after next season.
Why would a division champ be moving on from these guys? Mariners don’t need a lot of regression Houston. Just a little
I’m guessing this only applies in a very, very unique circumstance with an offer that blows them away, right? Why else would they trade Tucker – he’s phenomenal.
Yeah this one seems odd they don’t get better in 2025 moving either of them.
Bregman is gone, that’s what they are signaling. Might as well move Tucker and Valdez too then, repopulate their barren farm. It’s a mini-rebuild and I foresee the Jays doing this too.
I’ll take a mini rebuild lol. Only need to pick up a game or two.
The Mariners should win more than 85 games next year.
Should have won more than 85 last year. Should have is painful in Mariners lore lol
Jays don’t have mini rebuild ahead, it’s going to be full blown.
Right out of the Nats playbook. Sooner or later hanging on makes little sense.
They fought back into the playoff picture without Tucker. Granted, I’d rather keep Tucker over Bregman any day at this point. I think this is a trade deadline thing rather than now.
If they trade Valdez they could replace him. Tucker would cost $ to so might as well pay him instead of someone older. There attendance says they will contend or at least get their fans to believe that. Either sign Bregman or bring in another somewhat exciting bat.
If Tucker is truly available everyone and their Aunt Tilly will be in on him.
@Pete All the rich teams hoping to sign him would be. Half the teams in the league would have traded him at deadline or right now if they didn’t.
I always figured Bregman gone just like Correa Springer. Figure Tucker will be as well. If they don’t extend you it’s likely you are gone. Always a chance though. They were still talking. Maybe he likes it there and will take less years or something.
Or, they use the salary relief to re-sign Bregman.
I think M’s trade Castillo to Sox for Casa and Sox sign Bregman, but who knows.
It was fun to watch them overplay their hand with Romano. I foresee much wailing and gnashing of teeth in fans’ future north of the border. They aren’t extending Vlad or Bo. It was time to clean upper management house last offseason when they stupidly refused to trade either. Then Bo went out and had a terrible season. I do enjoy my schadenfreude.
I think that would be a tricky move for Boston to pull off unless they had the Breg in hand.
Rumors swirl when the star has only one year left before free agency, and there has be plenty of speculation suggesting Tucker won’t stick in Houston after ’25 ceases. I imagine this is standard for teams to check in on big names so they can get a reading on the winds.
Because they lose him in a year any way.
I imagine they’d move Tucker and then be able to afford Bregman? And maybe they want to refill the high minors with close to ready depth like they gave up for Kikuchi at the same time?
I guess the question is are you good enough to win with a couple small additions this year or are you not?
If the answer they determine is no then you ought to shop these guys. Pressly too. I’m sure they’d love to dump Hader but no one is touching that.
I may be the ignorant SOB but Samuel is definitely the arrogant SOB.
TheGr8One;
Been writing for 2 weeks here that this is what they need to do.
Been getting scathed for it.
They aren’t 2 or 3 players away from a trip to the WS.
James Click may have won a WS with players left to him by Jeff Luhnow, but he did next to nothing to replenish the farm system. Dana Brown was brought in because he was great drafting for the Braves. But no one builds a farm in just 2 years.
Astros have 4-5 players that are going to get paid outrageous money in the next few years. And they’re looking to dump Pressley to save enough money to pay Bregman in 2025, who will then have an upside-down contact for another 3-4 years. How do they sign those guys?
Smart owner. Smart GM. They need to bite the bullet and think about trading other veterans as well. As I wrote yesterday:
Forget the stupid depth charts. Most teams use 20-22 position players in a season and in the high 30’s-low 40’s of pitchers. The Astros don’t have enough quality players to absorb injuries and players having bad seasons. They’re cooked. They need to get at least 8-10 quality prospects that they can work with even if it means trading some of their stars.
Being 2-3 players from the WS is a lofty goal. 6% of teams make the WS but 100% of teams to win the WS made the playoffs.
James click’s drafts were actually good.
He had a 5 round draft with no 1st rounder that sucked in 2020. He then had no 1st rounder again in 2021 but managed to draft Arrighetti,McDermott,Loperfido, Will Wagner.
2022 draft produced 3 current top 100 prospects plus Zach Desenzo.
Not bad at all for a guy with his hands tied and late draft picks.
Dana Brown/Jim Crane shipped off 2 of those top 100 guys for the ghost of Verlander also.
He probably deserves another crack at a top job.
Yes! Load up on prospects! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(I say this because, what, 70% of them fail? How many outfield prospects have succeeded for them? TRADE TUCKER!)
Houston has the division all day (assuming they don’t rebuild) unless the mariners do a blockbuster
If the Astros lose bregman and either of these two they do not win the division.
Rangers might rebound from their post-Series stupor.
@Thegr8
Listening doesn’t mean shopping. My guess is that they would need to be blown away on a deal.
Some podcast cornball tried to suggest that the Yanks should trade Gil (not sure if 1 on 1) for Tucker using the King and prospects for 1 year of Soto. Craziness. The Yanks liked King but I don’t think they would do that kind of deal for 1 year of Tucker , exorcism with a young starter that’s already shown suck promise as a SP.
I’m sure Brown is listening on everyone, but this is definitely a “I’ll believe it when I see it” rumor.
This is like beachfront property houses with for sale signs. Nobody really wants to sell. But if someone comes along with a ridiculous offer they’ll jump in a heartbeat.
“He’s trending towards a FA deal that could push near $400MM”
That’s the Ohtani/Soto effect. Salaries are going to soar because those two raised the bar. It’ll continue until the owners, once again, get together and decide to curb spending.
He will be 29 in 2026. 440 for 11 sounds fair.
It’s getting out of hand, and my team is one of the culprits.
So… collusion.
astros are crazy if they dont hold on to tucker & do everything possible to resign him longterm
Tucker is headed for free agency, definitely after seeing what happened to Soto. Framber is headed to free agency as well. Trade them both now in order recoup at least some prospects?
astros should pass on bregman, and save up for tucker
he wont get soto money, not even close
maybe 300mil if he has a strong healthy 2025 season
300 for Tucker? More like 400.
If Soto is worth $51MM per, Tucker is easily $42MM+
Crazy someone might pay that much for Tucker.
If he puts up mvp type stats & leads houston to the ws
400 is v reasonable
If he is hurt again & misses over half the season
He wont get anywhere close to that #
Soto and Ohtani are in a class of their own. Their contracts don’t reflect what the market will actually be like.
Eventually these teams will stop with the contracts that go to 40 years old. It’s idiotic
No sorry that’s not accurate.
At any given point the best players in the league pushed contracts to a new level and not as good players benefited.
That’s the exact reason contract value and lengths are where they are right now, because someone pushed the ceiling
Ohtani and Soto are anomalies. They are in a class of their own. This is not the new market.
That literally makes no sense.
They are in the same free agent market as everyone else, it doesn’t mean Tucker is going to get the same as Soto, but the tide raises all boats.
Vlad, Tucker, Alvarez, all these players values have increased because of these contracts, that’s exactly how this works
It makes complete sense. None of those players are in the same stratosphere as Soto and Ohtani. They are red herrings. Don’t expect anyone else moving forward to make close to what they’re making. They won’t even get what Aaron Judge got.
Age doesn’t matter. Pay them until 42 43 whatever. Might hit the lotto and they are still useful. You aren’t paying for their age 40s years thinking they are going to be winning MVPs. You’re just stretching out your resources and getting a lower tax number.
You’re entitled to your own opinion, however wrong.
I dunno, Tucker is damn good. One of the top 5 hitters in MLB, they said here. Although, to be fair, I guess they said “5-10,” which dilutes the pool a bit. But I don’t see any other top hitters getting steals or playing defense like him. He’s a bit of a white whale.
Those prospects better be special!
1979 was the 1st time any mlb player earned $1mil a year- nolan ryan. his contract was 4 yrs/4mil.
in 1991 the largest deal was bobby bonilla. the mets gave him 29mil over 5 yrs (this is the contract they infamously deferred during the final yr).
soto just made 765 mil (potentially 805). how can mlb salaries increase so substantially in only a few decades? minimum wage was $3.10 in 1980. now its $16. thats 5x. soto’s contract is 200x larger than nolan ryan’s back then. beyond insanity
When Nolan Ryan signed that deal the tv revenues for the league were 50mm and the average ticket price was $5
Or proof that minimum wage hasn’t kept up?
Not only has minimum wage hasn’t kept up, it’s actually worth less than it’s ever been.
Now look at the average CEO compensation relative to the median employee in 1970 versus today.
For Tucker, it would have to be an offer that they overwhelmingly couldn’t turn down.
If they wanted top value in return for either one of these two, they should have been moved last off season. Trading now means the other team is getting a one year rental. Ouch. But, IMO, no story here. Can’t see this owner not being all in to try to win a pennant in 2025. They would have no shot with these two gone.
Idk. It’s one season
People laughed at me when I said the A’s will finish ahead of the Stros in 2025. I just bet 6 figures in vegas
If they don’t trade those guys you are about to lose 6 figures !
I don’t know about that.
You’re still going to lose 6 figures.
I can’t imagine someone with six figures to burn would be scrolling through this site.
The six figures: a couple of five dollar bills made into little origami people.
Six figures!
3 Washington Ones
3 Lincoln Fives
Holy moly, talk about putting your money where your mouth is. If you win, the odds and return must be astronomical. A’s and Astros both have rotation issues.
Tucker for Nasty Nestor sounds fair
No it doesn’t. Even an injured Tucker is more valuable than Cortes
Lol
What about Cortes and Frazier? Or Andujar?
Yankees don’t have the farm system to trade for Kyle Tucker.
Every team has the farm system to trade for him. Yankees easily do.
I just meant they would be outbid.
That I can see. Cashman falls victim to prospect hugging. Ends up having to pivot and settle.
I hope the Yankees can get Tucker next year when he’s a free agent but given the experience of getting a guy for one year who then spurns us, I’ll wait the year. He would be a player I could get excited about. with Soto leaving I’ve become quite morose, I hope yankee moves come together soon.
They probably won’t get Vlad, so the focus will be on Tucker.
Don’t worry, there’s probably a knee-jerk Cody Bellinger-to-the-Yankees panic trade in development as we speak
Belli is only under contract for 2 seasons…
Yeah but if that one year can get you to the World Series, maybe it’s worth it? Just win it next time.
Go get them both, Cohen
9 playoff appearances in the last 10 seasons including 8 straight, 7 ALCS appearances, 4 AL pennants and 2 championships say the Astros can weather a brief retooling period, even if it means a dip in the standings for the next couple of seasons
Or keep it rolling. Take the comp picks. Maybe extend Tucker. Trade Valdez. They got $ to spend. Or don’t spend. They wasted a lot of $. Should have and needed to shop at lower tiers. They got 1 good year left 2025. Division isn’t brutal or anything.
It could be, though. Rangers are bound to have better pitching, M’s are likely to have fixed their offense.
Ok, maybe “likely” is too optimistic.
Angels and A’s are trying.
I find success in using odds to navigate possible vs probable.
Also the Astros could easily be the favorites. Will they make the necessary moves? I am doubtful. Division right now is up for grabs. Any of the teams can realistically make moves to win it.
Tucker traded to the Reds would a dream scenario for me!
As a Reds fan I agree but it’s never going to happen because they wouldn’t pay what it would take to sign him after next year so they won’t give away the prospects for 1 year of him.
How about the DBacks send Mongomery and McCarthy to Houston for Tucker?
Are the paying the bill?
Zero chance.
* less than zero chance
It’s been a nice dynasty Houston…see ya in ten years or so.
They got 1 more year. Division is winnable and attendance is good. Would cost them a lot of $ if they gave up now.
Even if they trade Valdez and Tucker, they still have a core of Altuve/Alvarez/Diaz/Pena. I know Pena is an average shortstop, but that’s still a decent offense to build around. And the pitching isn’t deep but Brown/Arrighetti/Javier/Garcia is stlll a better quartet than most teams.
If I’m my O’s I would be for sure inquiring about Valdez.
Or just sign pitching. They missed out of lots but still lots available.
With the amount of injuries to their starting pitchers and the lack of proven guys who are healthy, they really need to be aggressive at either paying someone (preferably Burnes even if its a ton of money) or dealing from your prospect depth for someone. I’m hoping they’ll be smart not to overpay in either category but I don’t think you can afford to be super frugal nowadays. Proven durability is a must have for us for sure.
These 15 20 million guys are really good. Maybe not as good as Burnes. Not as proven innings eater but take the savings and get your outfielder or pen arm or something. Mets can afford Juan Soto. But look what they do for pitching under one of the best gms. They find value. Let the competition clog up their payroll on Burnes while you extend Adley Gunnar or something.
Please take him
There are zero teams in the American League actually trying their hardest to win LOL.
At least the White Sox trying their hardest to lose
Everybody is good at something…
Oakland is trying. Signed a pitcher and refused to trade their best players in one if the best sellers markets ever.
Maybe KC will try.
How being a Mets fan I’d take both Tucker and Valdez,
(Jett, Baty, Clifford, Tidwell and Megill. Tucker going to LF. Than trade Nimmo and Marte to Seattle for Gilbert. Trade McNeil to the Yanks for Poteet and a minor leaguer. Resign Alonso, Winker and Iglesias.
Lineup: Lindor,, Soto, Alonso, Tucker, Vientos,, Winker, Alvarez, Siri and Acuna
Rotation: Valdez, Gilbert, Senga, Montas and Holmes/Peterson
Marte and Nimmo for Gilbert? Mariners would never do that
@BronxBombers23,
I agree. That’s a WFAN caller special.
Yeah, that’s one that could get Jerry fired
I don’t even know if a package centered on Jackson Holliday would gain traction
Seattle’s GM on MLB The Show 24 would turn down that trade offer.
How far does Alec Bohm go in getting a Tucker deal done?
Probably not far. If the Astros were to move Tucker, it would be with the future in mind. And they would get plenty of offers the Phillies would have to beat.
Could be interest. He makes a dent with having more team control. Philly could keep there best prospects and go more quantity than quality trade.
Would replace Bregman and the outfield free agent market is better than 3b which is basically Bregman. Trade Valdez and take advantage of the still available free agent pitchers. Mini reload but still can win division.
The Astros would have Bohm for two years. If they were looking to move a star like Tucker, they could do a lot better than that. Also, keeping Tucker would give them a better chance of winning the division than trading for Bohm.
Also, why trade Valdez and replace him with a lesser pitcher on the FA market? You know they won’t be pursuing top-tier arms. If they want to win the division, they have a better chance with Tucker and Valdez than what you’re suggesting.
The Brewers traded Burnes. Padres Soto. So if they can do it with those guys the Astros can. A comp pick isn’t exciting. Not even remotely close to value as a trade return. They can make one last run and get next to nothing in return or get a foundation player or two for the rest of the decade. Might miss and get nothing. Rays Guardians Brewers trade soon to be free agents all the time and keep on making playoffs. I don’t care what they do. It’s just a suggestion. And could be a great suggestion. Pirates traded Rincon for Giles and turned him into Bay. Keep trading closers for even better closers like 4 or 5 times. Traded Cutch for Reynolds. Cole for Musgrove for Bednar Rodriguez. If the Pirates can do it I say anyone can.
You don’t replace Valdez Tucker 1 for 1 even strength. You can’t. You strengthen multiple weak areas. Get a lesser outfielder but also a 4th outfielder and 1b. Lose a #2 but instead of your #4 #5 #6 you have #4 #4 #5.
@Dream…don’t forget the Burnett/Morgan for Hanrahan for Melancon for Vazquez chain. If only Vazquez wasn’t a huge POS…
I had it in there just didn’t type all the names. Thought there would have been 1 more well could have been if you know who didn’t do you know what or if NH traded him to the Dodgers.
You suggested a mini-reload where the Asdtros win the division. With your proposals, that wouldn’t happen. I doubt the Astros want to make bad trades like the Pirates did. They were on the receiving end of the Cole trade.
I could trade both Valdez and Tucker and still win the division. Just trading one would be easy. Cole trade wasn’t bad. Just average. 5 years of Musgrove is more valuable than Cole. Unfortunately pirates had a terrible pitching philosophy but it worked out anyways with Bednar Rodriguez. Unfortunately they should have traded Bednar years ago. Like I said. They don’t have the best and brightest running things over there. If they can do it literally anyone can.
I have to agree with u on that trade.
If the Yankees don’t splurge all their money this offseason, I can see them bidding on Tucker once he’s a free agent next offseason.
Stuff like this is why a team like Sacramento has a puncher’s chance of pursuing a playoff spot.
Well the Mets can give you Clifford and Gilbert back for them both and lower level prospect for Presley.
Framber will be easier to move. The Astros will prob want too much for one year of tucker, which makes sense. Tough to trade and get fair value for him.
This is a hollow, and I mean hollow article. No substance whatsoever
Well I hear 2 rumors the Astros should made these trades..1. The Astros trade Framber Valdez to the Philadelphia Phillies for third baseman Alec Bohm, RHP Andrew Painter and Justin Crawford. 2. Trade Kyle Tucker to the Atlanta Braves for RHP Hurston Waldrep, catcher David McCabe and outfielder Jeremy Reyes. So if the Astros going to make trades which ones r going to happen..
Lol neither of those.
This is straight up clickbait. “We’ll listen to offers on any players.” Article title:: “Astros not ruling out potential trade of Kyle Tucker and Framber Valdez.”
Come on man.
How about trading Ryan Pressly to the Toronto Blue Jays for Will Wagner. Wagner can get another chance to replace Alex Bregman at third base, since Bregman is leaving the Astros.
Why would the BJ do that? They could have had Romano back on 7.75MM salary which is like half of Pressly without giving up anything.
My guess is that the Royals or Yankees acquire Tucker. Ben Kudrna, Blake Wolters, and Gavin Cross to HOU (from Royals). Or Spencer Jones, Brock Selvidge, and Roderick Arias to HOU (from NYY).
Oh how the mighty have fallen ….
I say this with love, but Kyle is the most boring best player in the game, and I love it. Hooray for Tampa guys amirite.
Trade Tucker/ Valdez? Noooo!