Marcus Stroman entered the offseason as a logical trade candidate and became an even more likely player to change hands when the Yankees signed Max Fried to an eight-year contract. Recent reports have unsurprisingly indicated that New York is indeed shopping Stroman, but Jon Heyman of the New York Post adds further context, writing that the Yanks are willing to pay down a portion of Stroman’s $18MM salary to help facilitate a deal.
With Gerrit Cole, Fried, Carlos Rodon, Clarke Schmidt and 2024 AL Rookie of the Year Luis Gil in the rotation, Stroman is very arguably their sixth-best rotation arm right now. That’s not optimal for a player who’s not only guaranteed $18MM this coming season but who also carries a conditional player option for the 2026 campaign. If Stroman pitches 140 innings in 2025 — he’s averaged more than 150 frames per 162-game season dating back to 2019 — he’d pick up an $18MM player option for 2026 as well. That only creates extra urgency for the Yankees to move him, as the five names ahead of Stroman on the depth chart are all signed/controlled beyond the 2025 season.
The Yankees already traded one starter after signing Fried (Nestor Cortes), and they’re in the market for either a second baseman or third baseman. They’re reportedly not working with the limitless budget some might expect from the “Evil Empire,” so shedding Stroman’s salary — or a portion of the deal — would give GM Brian Cashman some additional funds in his pursuit of infield help.
The Braves, A’s and Angels are just a few of the teams still seeking rotation help this offseason. Stroman might be New York’s fifth- or sixth-best starter right now, but that’s not the case with many other potential suitors. Stroman is coming off a decent 4.31 ERA in 154 2/3 innings in his first (and possibly only) season with the Yankees. He was hit hard by lefties, in particular, which didn’t play well with Yankee Stadium’s short right field porch; Stroman logged a 5.31 ERA at home compared to a 3.09 mark on the road. A team with a more favorable pitchers’ stadium might view him as a good bet to provide average or better innings at a low cost of acquisition. And in a market where 37-year-old Alex Cobb and 41-year-old Charlie Morton are commanding $15MM salaries on one-year deals — Cobb on the back of a season wherein he made only three starts — Stroman’s salary isn’t exactly egregious.
The Yankees’ willingness to pay down some of Stroman’s salary also inherently signals a willingness to take on a contract of some note in return. That creates a myriad potential frameworks; New York has some interest in Luis Arraez, for instance. He has more trade value than Stroman, but the comparable salaries could make the financial component easy to work out if the Yankees are willing to add the right pieces. Conversely, the Reds would probably welcome the opportunity to shed the $15MM owed to Jeimer Candelario in each of the next two seasons. The Tigers can’t love the $10MM they still owe Kenta Maeda, and he has more experience working in the ’pen than Stroman. Those are entirely speculative scenarios, to be extra clear, but they’re they type of creative situations Cashman and his team can explore when trying to find a Stroman fit.
As things stand, Stroman feels like one of the likeliest players around the league to change hands between now and Opening Day. He’s a pricey veteran without a clear role on his current club but is still relatively productive and not egregiously overpriced when looking at the rest of the market. His current club also has other obvious needs and some degree of financial parameters within which is has to operate.
The Yankees are currently at a projected $303MM worth of luxury tax obligations, per RosterResource. Any subsequent additions to the payroll will come with a 110% tax. Shedding Stroman’s deal would drop them beneath the fourth (and highest) threshold, which sits at $301MM. The third penalty tier (from $281-301MM) comes with a slightly lesser 95% tax rate. In essence, every dollar they save on Stroman’s contract will amount to about $1.95 saved. That only creates more benefit to finding a fit on the trade market.
OMG. unload DJL and Stanton first. Stroman is just one year left.
How the heck you proposing they bamboozle a team into taking DJ or Stanton? I mean you could pay almost their whole salary but then what’s the point.
Rockies would probably welcome DJ back if you want to take Kris Bryant.
Good job on getting “bamboozle” into the conversation Seama, you really don’t hear it enough. Ahahahaha!
Wow, signing over 30, declining veterans is such a great way to win World Series why not fill your whole team with them….oh wait the Yankees already did, and now they want to dump them…..big surprise….
A deeply flawed Yankee team went to a WS in a very down year in the AL 2024. They were so deeply flawed that they had no realistic chance to win that WS. I hope no one tells Cashman his strategy does not work….
Relax, They were one Freddy Freeman away from greatness.
This is the top comment right here.
AL looks even weaker this year. To me, it looks like the only AL team pushing for a WS in 2025 is the Yankees.
Unless the Yankees pay off most of DJ’s remaining salary, and/or include a high-end prospect, they’re not moving him. Same with Stanton. Nobody is going to take on those contracts without big time compensation.
I love how fans just assume players they don’t like can be unloaded somewhere else. hey i don’t want this bad player with a horrible contract but certainly 1 of the 29 teams will take our trash lol
I suspect we’ll find Toronto fans clamoring for him.
He doesn’t suit the glove only no bat motif we have going on here.
Usually you guys take our garbage! Stroman is actually one of then.
They can unload them whenever they want to, it’s called DFA! of course they will still have to pay for them, but who cares
@mlb
There is ZERO reason to add a top prospect to Stroman. Unless the acquiring team is willing to eat the whole contract, the Yanks shouldn’t even bother to send a good prospect. They’ll eat part of it but not if a high- end one is required. They’ll do one or the other. Stroman had a bad contract, but he’s not that bad of a pitcher. 150 IP with a 4.30 ERA is essentially a mid to back end rotation guy. I did a search previously, and among SP with 120+ IP, he ranked top 60 or so in ERA/FIP. Considering there are 30 teams with 5 rotation spots, with some having more high- end pitching than others, he would likely be exactly that. A mid- rotation guy on Duke teams and a back of rotation SP on some others. I think if the Yanks paid down to get his liability to $8 to $10 million, then I think that’s fair. Whether the Yanks would pay that towards his 2026 option if he reached 145 IP is debatable. The acquiring team can just not show that to happen.
I was replying to the op’s post and wasn’t talking about Stroman. Stanton is 35, has played more than 120 games in a season just twice since the Yankees acquired him, and is stil owed $66 million over the next 3 years ($30 million more is paid off by the Marlins). LeMahieu was a negative win player by both measures of WAR. He had the 12th worst wRC+ by any batter with at least 200 plate appearances in 2024. He’s making $30 million over the next 2 years. If the Yankees wanted to trade Stanton or LeMahieu, they’d have to either payoff most of their remaining contract, and/or include a high-end prospect.
He’s a malcontent when not happy and can ruin the clubhouse if he’s not in the rotation. Injuries can happen so perhaps they can wait until mid spring training but by then it might be hard to deal him unless you’re eating most of the money.
ok… when you say “op’s” you mean like the slang, like enemy?
@Knicks – Totally agree. Sugano signed at $13 mil with Os and Steamer projects Sugano and Strohman as comparible. NY owes $18 mil this year and $18 mil next year if Strohman vests. I don’t know if you can do a trade where NY pays $5 mil this year and $5 mil in 2026 only IF Strohman vests. If not, then pay $10 mil this year and forget about vesting share. If it takes a few dollars more and the trade bait is worth the cost to NY go for it. If the trade bait is a lot better NY can consider including another guy. The scale has two sides. NY knows what they’re willing to give up for Strohman. If the deal is ok-great. If not, use Strohman and consider mid-season.
@Dewey
I know he has a rep, but I’ve only heard good things about him from Boone and his teammates. He’s emotional towards himself when he had a bad game, but I’ve never heard of him being anywhere near a cancer, and in NY, that would be widely reported. I think he’s being judged by his past, perhaps?
I can’t find it Knicks but there is a history like he’s bi-polar. When he’s happy, he’s fine but when the fans get on him for example he flipped them the bird if I recall right
@mlb1225. Stanton has a full no-trade clause. DJ earned the right as a 10-5 player to block all trades after 2023. You’d have tougher negotiations with Stanton and DJ than with teams.
Op’s, as in ‘the original poster’s comment’
That too, there’s no way the Yankees get out from under either contract. Even if they pay most of their remaining contract or include prospects, which seems unlikely at best to start with, you’d have to get their permission to trade them.
Keep dreaming, Knicks. Stroman had three strikes against him to start with. At his Salary, he only has any value by eating innings. If he eats innings, then his option kicks in making his salary much worse. Then add in his attitude and baggage and you have a player that fee teams, if any, will want. Good luck getting rid of him.
@hockey
Stroman is a number 3 or 4 on a lot of teams. Like I said, only 60 or so SP had better numbers. he’s just overpaid. if the Yanks ate $8 mil I’m sure they’ll be takers without having to add a good prospect. And other than social media comments, any other teams I’ve heard about being a club house cancer. If you think that’s bad behavior then you’ve never been in apro team clubhouse. Let’s talk after he’s traded.
Knicks, Good luck finding a trade partner. I think you will be waiting a while.
Sadly, the Yankees don’t have any high-end prospects 🙁
mlb1225: Bro don’t even say it. I’d love to see DJ shipped out but under no circumstances should the Yankees use prospects in place of money. That is not the Yankee way.
Well I highly dobut they’d pay most of their contracts or include prospects just to get rid of Stanton/LeMahieu, but that’s what it would take to get rid of their contracts.
Stroman has a player option for 2026 because he reached over 140 IP in 2024, according to contract details on Baseball Reference. He would most certainly take that 18 million if he stuck with Yankees or in bullpen.
No way he is pitching 140 for the Yanks this year!
He already met the criteria to make player option available in 2026.
He needed to pitch 140 innings in 2024 not 2025! He threw over 150 innings in 2024 thus triggering the 2026 player option for Stroman. Unless baseball reference has wrong contract details, but they typically have it all correct.
I believe this is incorrect (and would be extremely unusual if true). The option is triggered in 2025 not 2024.
You’re correct in that it is incorrect.
The deal comes with an option for the 2026 season and it belongs to Stroman. But he can only trigger it if he throws 140 innings in 2025. That option is also for $18 million.
Short of an injury though he will hit that number. It was only IL time that prevented it in the past.
@Bottom
That’s incorrect I believe although Baseball Reference says the same as you. The deal was 2/$37 mil guaranteed with a vesting option if he reached 140 IP in 2025.
According to ESPN, when they originally reported the signing:
“A third-year option for $18 million would vest if Stroman reaches 140 innings in 2025, sources said. He threw 136⅔ innings last season and 138.2 in 2022 but has exceeded 140 four times previously.”
I always had as it being triggered in 2025, but I know see two separate entities with one being wrong. I’m pretty sure it’s for 2025 innings.
If Yankees can’t make a trade, they should just use him up and release him before it conveys thus voiding the option.
Mets did that with Jake Diekman and his option. I have a feeling no one wants Stroman unless it is heavily paid down a) because of the player option and b) he is a locker room cancer.
@Bottom
yall got to stop with that “clubhouse cancer” stuff. He’s happy in NY and when he gets emotional, it’s roses himself if he had a bad game. I’ve heard nothing but good stuff from the Yanks and when he was with the Mets. Those narratives stick with a guy, especially certain kinds of guys (ahem). Ppl said the same thing about Jazz, and I saw none of it with him. If Stroman was a cancer with the Yanks, it would be widely reported.
@Bottom. The 2026 option for Stroman only vests if Stroman pitches 140 innings in 2025 – not 2024.
Wrong! It’s in 25!
Omg!
no.
Stanton for me has proven his worth. DJ I think will be a worthwhile backup if healthy.
Come on, you know that those salaries can’t be moved by now! You have to live with what you have on this one. Maybe you can move DJ next year if he has an average year!
178iq: I know pitchers get injured at times but to single out Boston & Giants doesn’t make sense. I don’t think the Giants have any injured pitchers going into the season(unlike the past few years) Once spring training ends there will be numerous teams with injured pitchers and the regular season will have many injuries from almost all teams.
@178
He’s far from their best infielder, but I’ve addressed you previously, tho so I won’t bother again. You can easily look the numbers up on your own.
One, there is little to no money to be saved in ditching DJ. Two, why take any more of a hit with Stanton? The roster is set up perfectly for him to get as many DH AB’s as he’s healthy for. Your not going to replace his production with the $10 aav you might save in moving him.
Stroman has much more value considering how the SP market has blown up this off-season. If they can eat $5 million and get back one or two low ceiling 25 y.o. project power bullpen arms I’d be happy.
Nobody is taking DJ and G is worth more to the Yanks as a DH than selling for pennies on the dollar
Buster don’t be suckered into taking Stroman off of the Yankees hands. Stroman is not the right fit for the Giants
@redwolves – why not? Assuming the Yanks eat some of the contract, I think Stro would do well in the pitchers park by the Bay
Huh? I think Stroman would be a perfect fit for SFG. Pitchers’ park, deep RF fence, humid air. He could be a rock solid back end guy, exactly what they need.
Seamaholic: Honest question. Doesn’t Stroman have some attitude issues? If so I think Buster will steer clear of Stroman. Buster is a big fan of chemistry on a team. If he’s a good teammate I would agree 100% with you.
mab I think some of the bad attitude problem with Stroman is a bit overblown. When he got moved to the pen last year he didn’t run his mouth about it. He said he’d do what was best for the team and started working on getting better. If the Giants or whoever has a good clubhouse, he’ll be ok. When he leaves the team that might be another story but at that point, who cares what he says. He’ll be gone.
Thanks Joe.
@Red
Stroman is overpaid, but he’s really not a bad pitcher. It’s very easy to see what his issues were. First, what is he? He’s an extreme groundball SP. His career average is 56%. Last year, it was down to 49%, which ranked 8th among all SP that threw 140 innings last year. His problem was YS. He allowed 15 of his 19 homers at home. His home ERA was 5.31 vs. 3.06 at home. If the Yanks paid his salary down to $10 mil, then any team in a stadium that stifles homers with a good deferment infield should go after him.
If the Yanks keep him, he could be a relief guy at home and SP on the road.
Stanton was the best hitter on the Yankees not named Soto during the playoffs.
@mlb
I’n today’s game, Stanton’s production doesn’t look so bad, but what remains looking fugly is his contract. There’s no unloading his contract unless it’s a Rendon for Stanton, my ugly, for your ugly deal. I don’t even think attaching a Dominguez level prospect would help, but that’s the stupidest thing the Yanks could do considering that his contract didn’t stop them from offering Yammy $300 mil, or Judge $360 mil or Soto $765 mil. Yanks’ strength is money, and their ability to rest bad contracts and what we don’t have enough of ever is too many prospects. Cashman did a great job using our system in trades.
Stanton has a full no trade clause and is unlikely to waive it for any team other than maybe the Dodgers
Pay half and we are interested
This is who Toronto will get and you’ll have to be happy with it
If they are paying it down, I’d be fine with taking back Stroman. The Jays dont have 5 starters. I mean the team is a mess so it doesnt really matter but it makes them slightly better (but still awful).
The issue is the Jays are only $13M from the luxury tax so the tax hit is more important than the actual money. This was why the Gimenez trade was dumb. Well one of the reasons.
Exhibit A.
@Dig
Stroman has had really good numbers (career ERA under 4), albeit with various innings pitched, in 21 stadiums, not including the Trop. In Rogers, it’s 3.34 in 450+ IP and in the Bronx 5.60 in about 135 IP. If the Yanks post or down to $10 mil it might make sense.
Guarantee the Braves will dumpster dive on this and make a deal for him then pretend to the fans they addressed their rotation. And some fans will buy every bit of it…. I can think of a few on this site already.
I agree. Id rather see what a healthy Ian Anderson can do in the rotation and have the Braves address the bullpen by signing Tanner Scott and avoid Stroman.
“I’d rather see what a healthy Ian Anderson can do in the rotation….”
He can play a mean flute. Not sure about his curveball.
Buyer beware, Ian Anderson has locomotive breath
And he watch’s frilly panties ….
Eh only reason I don’t see it is because how highly AA holds character and clubhouse presence. Any other guy probably
anderson needs to concentrate on his best pitch: the aqualung
I can live with Stroman, cash and a prospect for Arraez. Fills need for a back end reliable starter, moves Cro to 2b where he belongs, have to live with X at SS 1 year. Sign Rizzo or att France cheap for 1b with the cost savings. Maybe the prospect can be helpful.
Not a wow trade but fills the roster out a little better with same $$.
Still want at least 1 of Peralta/Solano back.
If they get Roki, use rest of money on JP for LF. If Tirso hits in ST, JP could even be at 1b.
Leaves a back up C and well, AJ has hit home runs (literally) the past 2 years so, he can do it again. If not, a back up C isn’t going to make or break a team. Just go with Sullivan for opening day and see what develops.
No Roki and boy, they need Waldron or Vasquez (or a couple other maybe guys) to put up a good year.
Let’s do it, Ltc!
Salzilla – I don’t know much about Yankees farm but see that #2 is only a 50 so, not a great crop left after recent trades I guess. SD isn’t a lot better off.
Maybe a Chase Hampton type and 11 mil / year (if he exercises option)? We can add Chase to the mix of maybe back end guys if we miss on Roki.
Might save us enough $$ for 2 of Rizzo/Peralta/Solano.
Yeah there may be holes in this just like every other trade proposed on this site but there is some both team upside there.
For anyone that doesn’t like Stroman or Arreaz, ok but realize apparently NY and SD are at least engaging on this trade scenario – at least the internet says they are!
As a SD fan, I’m acting as if Arreaz IS going to be traded not if I like it. I’m acting as if SD has the needs and can’t just spend to fill them and these guys would at least adequately fill more needs for same money.
The Yankees are not going to trade Hampton for one year of Arraez even if the Pads take on Stroman’s entire salary. They could’ve included Hampton in a deal for Kyle Tucker.
The issue with Stroman is there is a greater than 50% chance his ’26 option will vest not knowing what you’re going to get.
I feel like Stroman and an IF prospect might be what they’d look at, but who knows. Either way I think they line up solidly.
You have a 1b near ready guy that might be comparable to what an over the hill Rizzo type could project?
Ben Rice could definitely be that guy.
Maybe AJ is reading this!
SD gets a #5 for about 8 mil AAV, acquires a potential 1b fix cheap salary, and frees up cash for other holes. At least enough to round out the bench with Solano / Peralta (maybe).
Working from assumption they trade Arráez, I’m good here.
Longtimecoming: The Yankees aren’t giving you Stro, money, and Hampton for Arreaz. You guys are trying to shed salary and the Yankees to a lesser extent are as well. Stroman is going to get shipped somewhere along with 6-8 million for a B prospect.
JJ read the dialogue- we were past Hamp a long time ago. SD has a few B prospects if you don’t want a 3 time batting champ!
Longtimecoming: I’m not reading 200 comments but responded to you saying the Pads would like Hampton. The Yankees want a salary wash or to include maybe 6-8 million in total to trade Stro. If the Padres are willing to absorb 12-15 million AAV to have Stro, I’d be happy to talk about what B prospect they are going to send to NY.
Yeah I don’t know where b prospects are coming from, but we got holes to fill and SD has a piece that fits and we have likewise. If Stroman and a prospect can land you a bigger fish, that’s the lake you fish at.
Agreed jersey. This framework doesn’t make much sense for either side imo. Arraez is not playable at 2b. If people thought gleyber was bad lol…
Meanwhile the padres are gonna want salary relief for arraez and I don’t see the yanks tacking on cash to offset stro’s money to the level they would want especially if they also want a prospect like Hampton.
Finally, if the yanks trade stroman, it particularly doesn’t make sense to include Hampton since barring some kind of other sp add they would likely consider Hampton as rotation depth going into the season.
Never said Pads would like Hampton – reading is fundamental. Try it before responding and jumping into other people conversations.
You literally wrote a multi paragraph comment in which you speculated on how Hampton would fit into the padres roster needs (among other things) homie. We’re just talking ball here bruh. Try taking a deep breath and learning to have a civil conversation/disagreement with people before popping off over nothing mmk?
He wrote one paragraph where he said a Chase Hampton type, guys. Lay off, y’all are barking up the wrong tree here. Lyc didntbeven say anything remotely uncivil. You really SHOULD have read his comment better.
And further I think this bad defense line about Arraez is a bit much. He’s serviceable enough since what he brings to the table offensively is something we need more than a defensive second baseman.
Bruh, I was talking a speculative trade idea with another poster. I never said anything about what the teams want or should do.
We were playing GM.
Read: “maybe a Chase Hampton type” – never said specifically CH.
Specifically said I didn’t k ow NY prospects so I was throwing a “type” or category.
Just read for context before you start saying people said something they didn’t.
Dude I’m just saying it’s a pointless and nipicking argument to start under the circumstances, just out of proportion which rubbed me the wrong way. Hampton was brought up as a possible piece in the trade and a couple of us engaged with that idea in a reasonable way. Let’s all just chill out a bit ya know?
As far as the arraez thing goes, I don’t entirely discount the possibility that he could be a net positive for a season. However I do think the defensive concerns are more significant than you’re making them out to be. The Yankees often prioritize groundball pitchers, especially in how they have constructed their bullpen in recent years. Bad infield defense, especially up the middle is a real liability, particularly in high leverage situations since that is the case. Shortcomings defensively may well have contributed to stromans struggles in 2024.
The defensive concerns play up for me because I think there is actually risk in arraez’s ability to outweigh the defense with his bat especially moving him up the defensive spectrum. He hasnt played second regularly for a good while now and his profile can’t withstand any significant step back in his babip. Like I said i acknowledge that it could potentially work for a year, but it’s not the direction I want to see the yanks go right now. And if they do get him and he contributes to a good outcome for the season I’ll be happy to be proven wrong lol!
You’re making way too much of this and splitting hairs. Perhaps instead of reacting in such a defensive and personalized way to a couple yankee fans engaging with the notion you floated and sharing information about the yankees prospect you mentioned, you could try presuming a bit of good faith and treat it as learning a bit in conversation with other fans. Nobody was attacking you here so why are you acting like we were?
Teams not players control innings pitched!
I think their better off without Arraez, he is a down grade at 2nd, and really doesn’t walk much.
slider I’ll take a guy who puts the ball in play over someone who walks more any day of the week. Generally speaking, players with higher averages tend to walk less.
Arraez is a complete pest. I would love him to be moved out of the NL, especially the NL West. He doesn’t hit for power but he does have great bat to ball skills.
Not me, i’ll take the on base, Arreaz on base is not good! Plus he is below average 2nd basemen, not what the a contender needs!
@slider
But he HITS!!! Hitting contributed to a career .372 OPS. We have to really start to understand the current world we live in. From 1990-2015, among guys with 2000 AB, there were 50 guys that had a batting average .300 or better and 89 guys that had an OBP north of .370. From 2019 to the present, only 3 guys have a batting average above. 300 with Arraez sitting at the top @ .323 and only 13 guys are ahead of Arraez’ .372 career OBP. His bat is elite and as long as it remains elite his OBP will be too. To me, that’s like the greatest dessert. I could careless if you use real sugar or a substitute. I’ll enjoy my slice of decadence with glee. Yanks best hitter in terms of average and OBP after Soto and Judge was Torres. Arraez world be a welcomed edition even with his warts. That’s always a chance that Stanton might be on the DL at some point. Yanks could move Arraez to DH and move Cabrera to 2nd.
No, he doesn’t walk much, but he does hit a ton, which is better.
@Long
3-0 w/ a 2.25 ERA in 18 IP @ PETCO.
arraez has a unique career arc:
win batting title
get traded
win batting title
get traded
win batting tittle
get traded?
Hmm Stroman for Jeimer *could* work. Third baseman with pop, though not particularly great it does serve dual purpose.
How about Stroman for Jonah Bride? Marlins need a SP now too.
Marlins aren’t paying Stroman for two years.
Deadline flip would eliminate that, lol.
Flip to whom? He can’t be flipped now?
Teams are much more desperate at the deadline.
So hang onto him until the deadline. Enjoy!
We don’t need him? Teams out there in need of SP? This math isn’t hard.
Depending on the amount, back to the Mets would be funny (to see Steinbrenner basically pay $$ to Cohen). Seriously, the biggest reason to funnel a deal is if he’s not in the rotation, he can be a disaster in the clubhouse.
@dew
but he hasn’t so let’s stick to keeping it any the numbers.
Stromam and cash to the Rangers for Ezekiel Duran?
The rangers have a good amount of rotation pieces as long as everybody stays healthy, trading for a starter doesn’t make much sense at this point, maybe if a couple injuries happen in spring training or first month of the season
@nolan I was thinking he could be a swing man
So are the Dodgers the evil empire now?
Nah. Dodgers are too corporate and boring to be evil.
They have been for the last 8 years!
Dodgers are annoying because the players take discounts and deferrals to play in LA. At least Yankees pay the premiums.
Dodgers have the farm system, metrics, weather, money, streaming revenue, winning culture, and about everything you want in a program.
Stroman is going to take this well
….and I love it
Looking forward to the upcoming Stromam instagram post/story with 5 different emojis
The problem is Flaherty, Sasaki, Scherzer and Pivetta are all out there. Some are cheaper than Stroman or are a better option if they are more.
Rodon is a lock to get injured. They would be smart to keep Schmidt in a swing role and when the need arises bring him into the rotation.
The Yankees unloaded Hicks with years left on his deal. Why not the same for DJL. He’s taking a spot on the roster for someone hopefully more productive.
They didn’t unload Hicks. They are still paying his salary this year!
@mdrguy I’m pretty sure that’s what he meant by “unloading” Hicks. They did the same to A-Rod at the end of his contract too. So it’s not out of the question.
@Dog
That’s not unloading because the financial burden still remains. You mean just release him which is what they did with Hicks and Arod.
That being said, worse comes to worst, he could be a home relief pitcher and road SP. 5.3q ERA at home and 3.06 on the road.
Flaherty and Pivetta will get more than $18M. It doesn’t make sense to under-utilize Schmidt when he has a high’ish-ceiling. Worry about the injuries when they come. Moving Stroman means more money to address the lineup on paper.
You would think NYY wants to keep C. Hampton, Schmidt and Will Warren
Cashman knew exactly what he was getting when he signed Stroman.
Look Stroman might still be needed this year for the Yanks! Your talking about a 6 starter, every team uses a 6th starter in todays game!
Pretty wild that they have to “pay down” salary of Stroman while mediocre pitchers are getting comparable contracts on the open market: Cobb, Montas and the question mark that is Clay Holmes.
Media hatchet job on Stroman has killed the value.
Stroman’s value is trending downward.
IF he pitched in a pitches park with a team with a better defense behind him his results could be better. I think he tries to get many outs via groundballs.
There is still the risk that his emotions on or off the field (social media etc) may prove to be a distraction. Rodon is enough to try to manage and get the best results out of him. Not a stretch to either player could have a Jorge Lopez meltdown or say something unforgivable
with DJL NYY should hope he gets off to a good start (in limited at bats) and with money paid down a team like OAK, COL, SEA, PIT might take him with 2 years left.
A Definite Maybe
“If he pitched in a pitchers park…with better defense behind him…”
True for EVERY pitcher!
Gang, nobody is taking DJL’s contract. He’s done.
Stanton? He absolutely has value but also has a NTC.
Stroman? Considering his comp is Montas, his contract isn’t THAT terrible. Pitching is going for silly money and he has a solid resume….especially away from Yankee stadium.
It’s not arguable that he’s the 6th best starter, it’s quite obvious
For now. Most of the Yanks starters are injuries waiting to happen.
@seamaholic you could really say that for any pitcher. They have cheaper options who could give them similar output. I’d rather get anything promising they can for him (if they can’t stomach this money for a swingman)
Yanks are trying to rob Peter to pay Paul, they want an upgrade at 3rd and want to risk their 6th starter for it. It’s Stroman or DJ/ Cabrera for the season.
Whatcha talkin about, Heyman?!
Jon Heyman is the Joey Gallo of “insiders”
Arraez, Cease & Cronenworth
For Strohman, Dominguez, Peraza & $8mil to help the Pobres pay the bills
Who says no?
Both
Pads because NYY doesn’t have a Strohman to trade.
I hope AJ would. Doesn’t match up with our desire to be competitive this year. Trading Cease would vastly deplete the rotation – even if Roki signs. I’ll accept that AJ might trade him if Roki signs but would prefer not. SD need to solidify the middle to back of rotation not deplete the top.
Just simplify it to
Yankees get Cease, Cronenworth
Padres get Stroman, Dominguez, Oswaldo Cabrera, Chase Hampton, Ben Rice
Yankees pick up a TOR arm in Cease, a 2B in Cronenworth who should play better in Yankee Stadium, move Chizzholm to 3B, get a QO for Cease
Padres pick up their LFer with years of cheap control. pick up a ss in cabrera with years of control, pick up a rotation piece in Stroman for 2 years hoping for a change of scenery to help, a pitching depth piece in Hampton, and catching option in Rice
Why would the Yankees trade for the headliner Cease when they already have a full rotation? They’ve held on to Dominguez and Hampton for this long only to trade them for a questionable thirdbaseman.
Had the Yankees not signed Max Fried, your proposal would make a little bit more sense for them. Then again, they could’ve used Fried’s money for Bregman and used Dominguez/Hampton for a Crochet trade.
Ask wallabeechamp.
He proposed Cease Arraez Cronenworth.
Padres can get better deals elsewhere trading Cease to other clubs.
Agreed if the goal is to further reduce payroll.
Sure you want Judge also in this ridiculous trade?
“Give us your best players without us giving anything of value back”
Yankees get a 3-4 war pitcher in cease and a 3-4 player in cronenworth if you play him at 2B.
I just don’t think the Pads would trade Cronenworth. Seems like Pads would be giving up too much but I’ll bet the Yankees would love that deal.
The trade is a poor fit and the Yankees will say no. Wish lists do not equate to objective trade proposals.
Anyone paying attention to the Pobres sees that their only ‘wish’ is to get cheaper. In the scenario I proposed, they’d be shipping out approximately $45 mil in salary, while receiving controlled cost players in return. The Yankees would end up paying about $95 mil for that same amount of salary. I figured that would be their reason to pause. But, they would be receiving a batting champ to put in front of Judge, another TOR arm & a lefty swinging super utility guy. I just figured that the Yankee FO wanted to try to win. Maybe not…
@Wall
Fried/Cole/Rodon/Gil/Schmidt is a top 5 rotation. How you can day they don’t want to win is crazy.
At 110% penalty, that would be $195MM,not $95MM
The question is more like who even suggests that trade? Neither team is the answer.
Square peg in a round hole.
Yankees need him for batting pratice
Pfffft. Deal with it babies.
We don’t want him. We would rather keep Maeda.
Hey Heyman.
The Dbacks will pay down some of Montgomery’s salary to move him. You shill for the Yankees, why not shill for the Dbacks and several other teams who might pay down some salary to bring those players to equal footing with the remaining starters on the market?
Problem is, it’s like trying to give away toxic waste; no one wants it, even if it’s free…
he’s radioactive. nobody wants any part of Stroshow in their dugout.
MIN Receives Stroman + $8MM
NYY Receives Christian Vazquez
Makes zero sense–it’s a wash on salary, as Vazquez gets $10M this year. They might as well keep Stroman because you never know with pitching.
The fact that it’s a wash on salary makes it a particularly bad deal for the yanks. You can get like 4+ competent back up catchers for the 18 million the yanks are paying for Vazquez in this scenario lol.
Stroman is about to win the cy young for my Braves
Angels take on Stroman and all the contract to get Jones OR Lombard
Yankees get the versatile infielder Luis Rengifo and save over $12 million in salary.
lmao
The Angels need Rengifo. They could also use Stroman. I’m guessing they could offer a lesser prospect and just pay most of Stroman’s deal.
Stroman would be a much better fit pitching home games in Angels Stadium.
Rengifo is a free agent after this year. I like him but we need to extend him or trade him.
Knowing the Angels we’ll get to the trade deadline and trade him for less than we’d get now.
I’m sure the angels would love that but the only real question if the angels offered this deal is how long the yanks would laugh at it before turning it down lol. The yanks are not going to trade on of their best prospects for rengifo and salary relief
Why did the Yankees even hire this guy? You could see when he was with the Mets he was a diva. He did have some ability but I was never that impressed with him really. Maybe a number 3 starter. To me he’s never been worth the headache.
@Stup
he was brought in to be a mid- back of rotation guy. that’s what he is. but let’s stop with the cancer/ headache narrative. It don’t tear its head with the Yanks.
Didn’t rear is what you meant. I think
I can’t stand when people use the word “narrative.”
Stroman and 10m for Cronenworth and a prospect in the 10-20 range.
That seems decent for both teams but I just think the Padres won’t move Cronenworth. We’ll see though
Gotta love Heyman out there doing some advertising for Brian Cashman. It’s not even subtle.
once a month boras wakes up the gimp and let’s him shill for someone else
The Braves could trade David Fletcher for him. He’s making $8M in 2025.he still plays good defense at 2nd and 3rd. The Braves could start Stroman and, depending how he does, either keep him in the rotation or move him to the pen when Strider comes back.
Does Stroman have a good relationship with any clubs that he’s pitched for? I think he’s an arrogant punk and maybe that’s why it looks this way to me but seems like every team he’s played for ends in a dumpster fire
After reading this post and all of the comments, I’m wondering why the Yankees signed him in the first place. Clearly not a good fit in Yankee stadium, a malcontent when he doesn’t get his way. I guess the answer is that Cashman signed him because it’s the Yankees and he could. Really a terrible reason and decision!!
please know those lunatics do not represent 99.99999% of yankee fans
Reading the comments on X, apparently a lot of Yankees fans support them.
X is a cesspool. These guys shouldn’t have made it through the night without the ban.
The caricature ugly yankee fans are going to be disproportionately loud on x. It’s not a representative sample of the fanbase as a whole. This yankee fan supports the ban. Those guys are an embarrassment and an unwelcome presence in the game regardless of whether we support the same team.
Dasit: I think most of us know that most Yankee fans are decent,respectful people. As in most ballparks, there are bad fans. I am happy they punished the idiots that interferred with Betts. No call for that at all.
I mean if you think about it we’re in a world where Frankie montas is getting 17 mil and 41 yr old Charlie Morton 15 mil. So stroman at 18 mil (tho likely barring injury for 2 seasons) isn’t a drastic overpay. I’m thinking they’d have to cover 2-3 mil of this season and kick in maybe 5-6 more to pay him down for next season. It’s tough because if for some reason the option doesn’t trigger they’d have paid him down too much
@Sorino: Difference is guys you mention are straight 1yr deals. A few clubs might want Stroman to provide the workload, but only for 1yr and see you later. Yanks probably have to pay the 9mil half this year & buyer has to deal with the full 18mil option next year if he pitches well enough for club to allow it to kick in.
No prospects should need to be involved from perspective of either side…..just cash
I sound be open to rolling the dice on Stroman and trying to flip him at the all star break after a comeback performance, before he loses steam in the second half..
Ok then. Javier Baez for Marcus Stroman if you pay down his salary.
lol is Detroit also giving the yanks a top prospect.
The Yankees just want high cost veterans.
Next will be fried.
Why are they so desperate to deal this guy? We’re going to need him this year at some point.
Because the Yankees have a full rotation and some cheap minor leaguers who may not be worse than Stroman. There’s nowhere to play him except long relief which doesn’t help build his value nor keep him stretched out enough to be a starter. If some team values him now as a starter, then you trade him.
Stroman, DJL and scratch ticket for Springer.
Cubs reunion
Why such a big fuss about Stanton? Did people not see how HUGE he was during the playoffs?
He’s basically owed $66M for the next three years. Marlins pay the other $20M. There is an option for 2028 for another year (Yankees pay 15M, Marlins pay 10M or Marlins pay the $10M buyout). His AAV is higher than the actual money Yankees are paying.
The Reds are probably are willing to trade Candelario if the Yankees paid down half of the $18 Million still owed to Stroman. The Reds have 6 starting pitchers with more on the way. It is unlikely Stroman would get 140 innings with the Reds. They would use him in the bull pen or as a spot starter. However, I’m not sure they would be willing to deal with a possible grievance if they deny him 140 innings.
Why would the Yanks pay down Stroman and still take Candelaria ?
Arraez for Stroman and $
I mean, Braves could use him, ya just got to eat a ton of that salary and be willing to get very meh prospects in return
No thanks bravesfan. There is no place on the Braves for StroME! He can kick rocks!
Stroman’s salary IS egregious, that’s why they have to pay some down. Cashman has no clue! 18 million a year, for a guy who looks cooked. Another 5 million for Trent Grisham, whose bench role could be better (and cheaper) handled by guys like Oswaldo Cabrera. Plus, another 5 million, thrown away on Johnny Lasanga, who is fine when healthy, but lives in the MRI machine. THAT is why, despite a payroll over 300 million, the Yankees are dumpster diving, to find an infielder.
How’s this for “dumpster diving”:
Padres get Marcus Stroman, Will Warren and $$$ considerations.
Yankees get Luis Arraez.
Arraez at 2B until later innings and then replaced by Peraza/DJLM/Cabrera.
Seems reasonable to me.