The month of January is almost done, which means pitchers and catchers will be reporting to spring training in a couple of weeks, but there is still plenty of offseason business left to be resolved. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that part of the reason things are moving slowly is that there are still lots of ongoing trade talks, with Dylan Cease and Michael King of the Padres “among the starting pitchers who remain in play.”
Cease’s name has been in plenty of rumors this winter but this is the firmest indication of the winter that King is potentially available as well. The logic for the Friars considering a trade is the same for both pitchers, as each is going into his final season of arbitration control.
The Padres are clearly working with financial restraints this winter, though their exact spending ability isn’t totally clear. For much of the winter, reporting indicated that they needed to cut their projected 2025 payroll. But reporting from recent days suggests the club may be able to keep their projected spending around its current level, give or take.
Even if the Friars don’t have to significantly cut spending, considering trades of players like Cease or King is still understandable. The club needs to address left field, catcher, the rotation and maybe shortstop as well. With little wiggle room in the budget, signing free agents to fill those holes will be difficult. The club’s biggest contracts are hard to move since each of Fernando Tatis Jr., Manny Machado, Xander Bogaerts, Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove has a full no-trade clause. Jake Cronenworth has partial no-trade protection and his contract isn’t terribly appealing at the moment.
In a similar position last winter, the Padres felt they needed to move on from Juan Soto while he was one season away from free agency. By flipping Soto and Trent Grisham to the Yankees, the Padres brought back five players who were less established but nonetheless improved the depth in the rotation and behind the plate. One of the players they got back was King, another was Drew Thorpe, who helped the Padres get Cease from the White Sox.
Now with another budget crunch, players like Luis Arráez, Cease and/or King could be this year’s Soto. All three are one year away from the open market and have no ability to stop a trade. Arráez will make $14MM this year and Cease $13.75MM. King and the Padres didn’t come to an agreement prior to the arbitration filing deadline and are slated for a hearing. He filed at $8.8MM and the club at $7.325MM.
The lesser price is a reflection of King’s smaller track record compared to Cease. While the latter has been an established big league starter for a long time now, King really only has one season as a true bona fide rotation option. He spent much of his Yankee career in a swing role, oscillating between the rotation and bullpen. Late in 2023, with the Yankees out of contention, he put together a strong run of starts and seemed to have the potential for a larger role.
The Padres made a bet on him by acquiring him as a key piece of the Soto deal, and that worked out quite well. King tossed 173 2/3 innings over 31 appearances last year, with 30 of those being starts. The other was a long relief outing during the Seoul Series, before the season had begun in earnest. He allowed just 2.95 earned runs per nine on the year, with a 27.7% strikeout rate and 8.7% walk rate. He also made two postseason starts for the Friars, adding another 12 innings with a 3.75 ERA. He finished seventh in National League Cy Young voting.
That should give King plenty of trade appeal going into 2025. While the track record isn’t as long as that of Cease, the price is well below market rates for starting pitching. Alex Cobb and Justin Verlander each got $15MM one-year deals this offseason. Cobb is 37 years old and Verlander about to turn 42, with both pitchers having been injured for much of the 2024 campaign.
A King trade would clear less payroll space for the Padres than one involving Cease or Arráez, since King is slated to make about half as much as the other two. Still, if the Padres find an offer to their liking, the logic would be similar. They could theoretically flip King for cheaper but less established players, perhaps addressing one of their many needs while also improving their depth in other areas. They’d also gain $8MM or so, give or take, to dedicate to other pursuits.
It would be a tricky tightrope to walk since the rotation already needs upgrading as it is and subtracting King or Cease would only add to their need in that department. But given the financial circumstances, it’s something they will have to think about. As of right now, the rotation consists of Darvish, King, Cease and plenty of uncertainty. Guys like Matt Waldron, Adrián Morejón or others could fill in the back but those guys have some question marks.
Time will tell if anything comes from these trade talks. The Padres have been in this situation for most of the winter but have been very quiet. Perhaps that’s due to the fact that they were a serious suitor for Roki Sasaki and wanted to know his choice before proceeding. With Sasaki signing with the Dodgers last week and spring training now so close, perhaps the Padres will blink on something. On the other hand, free agents like Jack Flaherty, Nick Pivetta and Andrew Heaney are still out there, which could prevent clubs from aggressively pushing the Padres for a deal. Pitchers like Marcus Stroman, Luis Castillo, Jordan Montgomery and Chris Paddack are likely available in trades as well. The position player market still features Alex Bregman and Pete Alonso, with those staring contests perhaps broadly holding things up as well.
Discussions have also taken place about Joe King !!
What a freaking joke the Seidler Bros have turned the Padres into.
Sad, the Padres franchise was on the cusp of being built into an international brand.
HSK alone had put the Padres on the map in Korea.
Darvish had put them on the map in Japan.
In one off season, the Bros have systematically deconstructed perception of this fine organization that Peter labored so hard to build.
“International brand..systematically deconstructed”.. Hyperbole much?..
As I remember, the Padres filled the stadium and made the playoffs just last year. You clearly need to take a Valium and perhaps turn it down a notch or two.
He’s outta control!!!
Jonah Heim and Jack Lieiter for King.
Texas- no thanks
They did. San Diego had the fourth highest attendance in MLB last season, barely behind the Phillies and Yankees, outplaying their market size by a decent amount.
@Simm I was half way joking
“What a freaking joke the Seidler Bros have turned the Padres into.”
THIS
Everything was going great until the good brother died. Nothing else changed. Anyone saying otherwise is a liar.
pretty sure what’s happening now would have happened even if PS hadn’t died.
If you talk to every pundit and everyone close to the team, no this definitely wouldn’t have happened had Peter been alive
damascusj- i’m sorry, but those guys are talking with their heart and not their head. i heard Darren Smith say it multiple times, with zero evidence, just his feelings, while ignoring things like the Padres borrowing money to meet payroll, and MLB giving permission to only borrow $50M because the Padres didn’t meet debt ratios.
The Bros, who have not been straightforward with fans about anything allowed that loan to “leak”.
We all can see it. The “loan” was another in a long line of excuses to justify pursuing the beginnings of what may turn out to be a firesale.
Why Sheel brought a lawsuit to life in the first place, whether won or lost to shed light on the inner workings of the current ownership group.
If the Padres hold a fire sale the fans will vacate Petco Park.
Heels – I won’t comment on the current brothers, but what most people don’t realize is everything DID change in 2020.
Up until that time, the Padres were among the lowest payrolls in MLB ….. 3rd-lowest in 2017, 6th-lowest in 2018, and 7th-lowest in 2019.
Then as Pete prepared to take control of the team in 2020 the payroll started getting ramped up to 10th highest in 2020, 6th-highest in 2021, 5th-highest in 2022, and 3rd-highest in 2023.
The spending was unsustainable, but what you didn’t realize is Pete was a 2-time cancer survivor whose days were numbered. THAT was the reason for the wild spending.
Can you blame him? Anybody in a similar situation would do the exact same thing, go on a spending spree.
If you knew there was a chance you’d be gone in a couple years, wouldn’t YOU run up the credit cards and tap the home equity because you would never have to worry about the future? I know I would.
The Padres in 2023 had the 3rd-highest payroll in MLB but only the 15th-highest revenue – again, UNSUSTAINABLE.
So regardless of who is running the team now, the payroll HAD to come down.
Pete did what he could to bring a championship before he departed, can’t blame him for it then and can’t blame anyone else for it now.
Crunch – I don’t think there will be a fire sale, I think the payroll will come down through attrition. As big contracts expire, they will be replaced with smaller contracts.
The Red Sox did just that from 2019 to today, lowering their payroll from #1 down to #3 down to #6 and then all the way down to 13th in 2023.
I don’t think so. They are just looking for creative ways to stay under the cap. E z to get frustrated with what the dodgers are doing thou ! That’s the joke
If u can package boegrarts and king for a decent package and save cap – that’s a lot of what I see SD trying to do
Padres control person Ron Fowler, preceded Peter Seidler as control person, had a big role in making the Padres competitive also…
If u can package boegrarts and king for a decent package and save cap –
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For a decent package? I think that SD would have to throw in $100M before they got anything back.
Part ways with King?
Now ownership is just being absolutely stupid.
It could be a very smart move if the Padres can get a very generous return of young cost controlled players with big upside that can start for the Padres in the majors this year, then that would be a great outcome for the Padres.
@towinagain: I feel for ya. This ownership kerfuffle (really the loss of Peter Seidler) will almost certainly undo so much of what the Padres were trying to do, and it is derailing the upward trajectory of the franchise. I know a lot of Dodger fans dismiss the recent groundswell of support for the Padres as bandwagon fans, but ultimately what does it matter if it results in more fans and more revenue?
@different thanks my friend! It has been tough sledding here.
We love the enthusiasm of new fans joining Padres Nation.
With the lack of success this franchise has had throughout its existence, Peter Sedler was a Godsend.
He literally elevated this club to new heights.
Padres baseball was exciting and fun.
You wanted to be at the ballpark and Padres fans were starting to travel.
In one offseason the Seidler Bors have really unraveled everything that Peter built.
Sad, ugh.
Peter Seidler didn’t see himself as a Godsend, given that he was atheist, and probably wouldn’t appreciate you pushing your beliefs onto him.
And how is this about baseball and the ownership dispute?
Red herring.
Was Peter an atheist? I found no correlation with Peter and atheism.
Don’t worry, Machado and Tatis being so likable and their electric personalities will carry the Padres into the next decade.
@Brew88 Well you can appreciate the intent of the analogy right? The context was very casual.
Would Peter was a breathe of fresh air instead also offend your good friend? Given he is no longer breathing, he probably wouldn’t appreciate you pushing your earthly functions onto him.
As a Dodger fan, I loved/love the rivalry. Admittedly, the Padres were the best team come playoff time. The series between the Dodgers and Padres was the real World Series. The dodger players have said as much in interviews. I hope the Padres ownership gets resolved. We had our McCourt years and that was a bad time for Dodger fans. Preller is a good gm and very imaginative. The Padres will be there at the end if they don;t make a move. They are that good. Hopefully, this is just a dumb rumor and you hold on to your team. Blessings
Well said.
They maybe had no choice with their tv deal falling apart. The Padres overpaid for their veterans and now find themselves in a new economic reality. They probably need stable tv income again before they can increase spending.
Slash slash slash the payroll, every post from this simpleton the owner should slash 10 million more salary until this simpleton learns.
Tow – King is one of only 4 pitchers in MLB to have 200+ strikeouts and a sub-3 ERA last year.
The others are Sale, Skubal and Wheeler. That’s good company.
lol.
I think I speak for every Dodger fan when I say the Padres = poop
And Larry King.
And Moon Dog King (along with Spot and Rex).
Ken and his hatred for padres that got banned from the dugout during playoffs .Hmmmmm
May as well throw Martin Luther King in there as a PTBNL. Afterall, technically he was a ‘player’ according to the FBI lol.
@ Jackson, any relation to ba doom ting King ?
This ownership saga gonna be nasty
Matt Seidler has been being removed as trustee and an independent receiver is being appointed over the trust. John Seidler has already been blocked from becoming control person. Sheel Seidler won the 1st two points.
Earlier this morning the judge denied SKMC’s request that part of the suit be handled by an arbitrator in California because of the fraud allegations.
Now the real battle begins. The one that determines if Matt and Robert Seidler committed fraud. This one will take a while and if Sheel Seidler wins, its likely that Matt, Bob, and John Seidler will have to sell their shares in the Padres because their net worth is tied up in those shares of the team.
A delicious soap opera to be sure.
If what you say about this morning is true, then this is an actual story, rather than this article about Ken Rosenthal’s idle speculations.
All Rosenthal had was a couple of sentences.
Al he said was; “One reason the open market remains clogged is that teams continue to discuss trades. The Seattle Mariners’ Luis Castillo and San Diego Padres’ Dylan Cease and Michael King, for example, are among the starting pitchers who remain in play “
I loved that in the dockets they revealed that nearly 90% of the net worth of all three brothers is their share of ownership of the team. That is Matt and Robert, the two being sued, and John, the one they tried to force on the team as Chairman and Control Person.
If, or should I say when, the Seidler brothers lose the lawsuit, all that will have to be sold. If what Tom Seidler said is true, then those shares have to be sold to the Peter Seidler Revocable Trust. Tom is the brother that is not involved in the lawsuit and who actually works with the team and in the community.
The original filing:
documentcloud.org/documents/25479430-padres-lawsui…
I don’t think they have to be sold to the trust. I do believe the trust has first rights to buy any shares sold by anyone.
And, then MLB could step in and force a sale of the Padres.
It could turn into a McCourt situation, an embarrassment to MLB.
Owners must approve a new control person.
What if Owners refuse to vote Sheel in as “control person”?!
That could force the sale of the team.
Padres looking to deplete there whole rotation? That’s what happens when you give out 3 300 million dollar contracts to hitters and aren’t the Dodgers or Yankees
Last off-season they lost the reigning NL CY winner in Blake Snell to FA. They also lost Seth Lugo and Michael Wacha who were very good and had even better years with KC. Plus Nick Martinez who played a pivotal swing role.
They had all that turnover and still managed to win 12 more games.
So it’s hard to fatham trading Cease or King today and being better off for it, but they have a great combo of Preller constantly bringing new starters into the mix and Ruben Niebla who is the unsung hero of the whole operation ready to get the most out of these arms.
I love both of these arms but cashing one of them in has real merit. Preller bought low on Cease coming off a so-so year in 2023 to finishing top 5 in the CY race. And of course turning King from a swing man to one of the top starters in the league was also huge.
The best way for the Pads to keep the window open for 2026 and beyond is to deal one of them away.
Honestly since they aren’t likely to add much (if any) payroll——that’s their best bet to be able to plug multiple holes this year as well. Although the top of the rotation would obviously be worse.
2026 and beyond is not the focus. 2025 is.
Honestly, you have no clue what they will do with payroll. The guys who actually do know have been consistent in saying that payroll would be between 2023 and 2024 and that they were willing to go over the CBT for the right player or players.
Last, but certainly not least, they don’t have multiple holes, They have a better roster than they did at this point last offseason. They have a roster today with less question marks than they did last opening day in Seoul.
Are you suggesting that the team is solely focused on 2025 and not the future?
I don’t know any business that runs on a 1 year plan. Padres certainly aren’t the only one that does.
You say a lot of things that you hope happen but they haven’t. The team has 2 holes in the rotation and certainly doesn’t have the pitching depth to make it through the year. Tirso Ornelas is your hope and prayer at Lf. SS, 2B, 1B or Dh? I don’t see a body to fill all of those. Unless you’re going with Eguy Rosario….
They had holes last year at this time. Sure, they traded Soto and a boatload of prospects throughout the year to plug them. How is dealing King or Cease any different?
Ryan, You were trying to say they were focused on 2026 when they have said clearly that is not the case.
As for the rest, even you know that is BS. I have no time for you and your garbage.
Lol there “it” is again!
Hey I thought I was Ryan. Here I thought I was special and you were only accusing me of being Ryan. Now you’re accusing other accounts?
I find it hilarious that an obsession has grown to this level.
who is “Ryan?”
They call me Ryan also no matter how many times I tell them that a I’m not.
So “Ryan” is some kind of new insult?
They claim Ryan is a guy that has multiple accounts who I’m guessing argues with Padres fans.
@DigglinDickers Well that doesn’t narrow it down.
@BSDFttN Well you DID used to go by “West Coast Ryan’s Intellectual Takes” on here.
Dig – No, that’s Joel.
Pads – Has there been any concrete reports of serious extension offers to either Cease or King?
If not, are you saying they should keep both this season and let them file for free agency after the season? Does that really make sense, letting them walk for basically nothing?
I’m just trying to understand why, if they supposedly aren’t hurting for money, they haven’t strongly pursued an extension for either?
You know they will be more expensive as free agents, not less expensive … right? Unless they have an awful season, which I’m guessing you are convinced they won’t..
@ PadresWSChamps2025
Ill take “sarcasm” for a $1000 please
Thought the “intellectual takes” was a pretty obvious hint at sarcasm but guess not.
Yes. I was making fun of people like Pads fan constantly calling me Ryan but never really said what they didn’t like about my comments just that I’m apparently Ryan. And apparently we’re all Ryan.
A lot of these Padres fans in here refuse to believe that the Pads are having financial issues.
@Fleet I never said it was or wasn’t sarcastic. Just that you previously used that name so maybe that’s what Pads was referring to.
Huh you’re probably right on that one friend. I know of Ryan cause people have mentioned the name so often on these sites but really no clue what he did that rubbed people the wrong way so hard it made them paranoid ppl with different opinions are all Ryan lol
You previously used the username “West Coast Ryan’s Intellectual Takes” so clearly you know more than you are letting on. And it’s really only one person who is paranoid that ppl with different opinions are all him. That one person is Pads Fans who also goes by outinleftfield, websoulsurfer, BaseballisLife, PLTuna, Koamalu, YourDaddy, The Padfather, WatermelonMtnScout and possibly others.
Pads Fan is websoulsurfer??? They seem different.
No they don’t.
OK
They use to call him west coast Ryan now just Ryan. I’ve been on these boards a long time. But never interacted with that specific username just seeing people accuse other accounts of being west coast Ryan and now just Ryan, I assume same person.
But no I honestly don’t know what he did to upset people they’re seeing shadows of him elsewhere.
I think I interacted with him under different names and his spamming was annoying but that was about it.
Ryan is living rent free in Pads Fans head.
I suspect that “Baseballisthebest” who just appeared on this site in the past week is also Pads Fans. He has done enough to trigger my suspicions but not confirm them. If it is him it will become obvious in the coming weeks. Like the scorpion that stung the turtle, he can’t resist his nature.
The Yankees have one 300m dollar positional player they signed. Stanton was dealt to them and is making 21m per year and marlins are paying some of his contract which has 3 years left. The Padres have 3 guys over the 300m mark so I’m not sure why you had to throw the Yankees in there? The Yankees are no longer that team like Dodgers and Mets. They have a hard cap and looks like they are trying to stay under 300m to the shagrin of many Yankee fans.
Talk about taking the narrowly literal interpretation of Fenway’s statement and making a strawman out of it.
Yankees have, on long-term contracts, 2 players at $35+ million per year, 2 more at ~$27 million each, and 1 more at $22 (Stanton, net of the Marlins money). Plus another player at ~$26 million who isn’t long-term (Bellinger for up to 2 years).
The Yankees still have a massive amount of $ committed to the top of their roster, as they typically do.
The Yankers are still the Dodgers and Mets. They throw whatever money they have at top FAs. They offered essentially the same deal to Soto without the private box.
NO.
Dead wrong.
This is what happens when the good owner is replaced by a bloodsucking owner like Bob Nutting of the Pirates.
That’s what happens when you have a broken league with no parity. You have a small market team in the Padres trying to compete with the Dodgers and Yankees but can’t because of obvious geographic differences. If your league doesn’t maintain a level playing field for all competing teams you no longer have one league but multiple leagues broken into the haves and have nots.
MLB is broken and needs to be fixed or it will continue to hemorage fans.
So, 4Roses, back to your NFL comparisons… was the Eagles-Commanders game an example of parity? No, it wasn’t. Oh, how about KC appearing in [5 of the last 6] Super Bowls? No.
Caps don’t create parity. It’s blatantly obvious. It makes the problem worse. You’re singular examples of random small markets proves only one direct correlation: teams that want to win will spend money, and therefore have a better shot at winning. Has nothing to do with a cap.
And the Padres DO compete with the Dodgers. They have for the past several seasons.
No one is as important in baseball as the QB is in football.
Tell me you don’t understand football without telling me you don’t understand football.
So your response is “you don’t understand football…” That’s just a clear admission you have zero evidence to back up your claim. And, it reflects the fact you don’t understand baseball, or the sports relative to one another. You can’t articulate parity because there is none.
Stop professing terminology you don’t understand and just say you’re jealous of the Dodgers then. It’s easier when you’re honest with yourself.
Oh yeah, and for the record, the Dodgers have made two of the last……. 32(?) World Series, while the Yankees have made one in the past 15 seasons.
I didn’t mention nfl at all lol Are you taking the result of one playoff game as evidence that the NFL doesn’t have parity, that’s an extremely weak argument. The result of the game is clearly not the point, it’s the fact that both teams had equal opportunity to succeed at a team level. That way individual players can decide the game through their play. It’s kind of sad I have to explain this to you but here we are.
You’re just wrong about caps not creating parity. The cap and floor combined create a level playing field. I think you’re just trolling at this point because your points are so rediculous you can’t be serious.
You get more rediculous by spouting nonsense about small market trans spending if they want to and have a better shot at winning and you prove my point. Small market trans can’t keep up with the Huge market trans for more than a couple of years before they are taking loans and the mlb is cutting them off. They can never spend 400 million+ that the top teams do to draw in talent. So yeah the padres can get to 200 on occasion but there are others sitting at 1/4th the top teams numbers and you think they can truly compete? Are you joking? You have to be with this garbage arguments.
The Padres are one of the few small market teams who had an owner willing to push the financial envelope but most teams can’t, and while the padres competed with the dodgers they couldn’t get over the hump before the Dodgers went all in and won another championship. Let’s see how the small market team that is stuck doing nothing will compete with the free spending Dodgers this year, great I’m sure. Lololololol
You’re a joking if you think I need to rek every obviously incorrect statement like I did yours. Just because you and some others don’t understand the nature of an NFL offense doesn’t mean I have to explain it to you. Go do a little research and find out for yourself. Stop mooching of others and do your own homework.
The dodgers have made the playoffs 16 times since 2000, the Yankees 20 times, the padres 5. lol, you have more evidence for the “record” lolol
Unpaid – Look at the Patriots history.
They sucked through 2000, even with Belichik.
Then when Brady became their QB in 2001 they immediately became great.
After he left in 2020, they sucked even with Belichik.
Meanwhile Old Tom made his new team champions.
It’s all about the QB.
No MLB team has ever had a player with that kind of impact.
Clipper- here is the reality. If football was ran like baseball. The bills wouldn’t even have a team. The chiefs would have lost Patrick to the La, Ny or Dallas teams because they could pay him 5 x the amount Kansas City could.
Don’t be an idiot….thats how baseball works.
The shared money in the nfl allows even smaller market teams to be able to compete if they draft and coach well.
In the mlb playoffs are more random so the best team doesn’t always win but they did always make the playoffs given them a chance to win it all.
Yes you specifically compared them to the NFL in your other post. And it’s not “one playoff”… IT’S FIVE OF THE LAST SIX SUPER BOWLS.
You obviously have no intention of being honest so I’ll just take the fact you have no argument and no rebuttal.
And we are now talking about playoff appearances? You may want to look at the NFL and NBA again because more teams in the MLB have made the playoffs than either other sport.
You cannot make that statement as an absolute because that’s purely hypothetical and not true. How do I know? Because it was run like MLB years ago and it…. Expanded. Also, those leagues ah e more teams in the playoffs, which should make it better… yet it still doesn’t.
To your insult about me being a “idiot.” Insults only come when one has no argument. You have no rebuttal here. Your rebuttal is “if pigs had wings they could certainly fly, so you’re an idiot.”
That says more about you than it does me, man. I frankly expected more. But, I won’t insult you in return because I simply disagree with you. But, ignoring the plain facts that a cap DOES NOT FIX THE ISSUE AT HAND is clearly escaping you. And the NFL/NBA prove it every single year. It doesn’t allow “small market teams to compete.” It allows teams to dominate for decades at a time while ensuring other teams are bad for decades at a time.
You simply want to ignore that proof in favor of inaccurate hypotheticals and insults. But, whatever, you do you. But, one common theme exists…. If teams refuse to TRY they are bad. Teams that try, win.
To your point about spending…. You always use that straw man. Where is there any evidence that proves teams have to spend anywhere near the top spending team to compete?
It’s always, “well, the Pirates can’t spend $400MM per year…” so what? Why does every team have to spend the absolute extreme? It’s a fallacy.
Your assertion that spending power does not impact competition is asinine and absurd, I don’t think you actually believe it.
You can line up 26 Kia’s, Camrys, Civics and other assorted 25-50K cars and line them up against a few Shelby Mustangs, Porsche 911, and Jag F types and watch them race and while YOU would call it a completion no one else would.
Sure if some of those mid market cars have good drivers and a few mods they can perform alright and if the other cars break down or have other issues they might beat them on any given day, but on the whole the more expensive sports cars consistently win.
This happened in F1 racing where the few top teams compete every season for the championship (Mercedes, Ferrari, Redbull) and the rest of the 7 or so teams compete for the best of the rest. Every so often a beat of the rest will rise up to compete but inevitably they are drug down. This is because of, you probably should have guessed it, money disparity. They are supposed to be capped at 175 but many teams spend more with some teams
Spending 400-500 million on staff and shops. This is What the MLB is and has been creating, a championship league and a best of the rest league.
lol, did you forget about the offensive line and defense that the Patriots had? They don’t win many of those games without defensive plays and special teams plays. Youre point is soooo reductionist and simplistic.
Where did I say “spending power does not ‘impact’ competition?”
I said a cap will not fix the issues you’re saying it will. My assertion is that it will make the existing ‘problem’ worse, as is evidenced in the other sports you mentioned.
I did assert that spending power does not equal winning. I also assert that a refusal to spend will equal losing. Finally, I asserted that MLB in its existing state has more parity than NFL or NBA with their caps.
Look, if you want true parity, which I admit will never happen, there’s two ways in which I can see it:
1) Teams have no ‘payroll’. But, instead all players are dispersed/or drafted amongst the teams based on talent (like a pickup game at the local field) – but it won’t happen
2) Teams have exactly the same payroll because every player makes exactly the same amount as ALL monies are divided equally among all players. Then, payroll is completely irrelevant and there are no negotiations, only teams. That’s about as close as you’ll get to parity.
I mean if the shoe fits. I didn’t call you an idiot but I can see where someone reading your trolling might come to that conclusion. It’s obvious that you’re not thinking about this logically, and your points are all really weak. Most people see through them and by default they make you look bad.
Evidenced-based thinking is logical thinking. And, now a cap works when teams dominate because they have better players? What I’m the world are you talking about? You’re constantly moving the goalposts to suit your argument and cherry-picking the narrative.
There’s no evidence to support a cap works. There’s plenty to the contrary. That’s not ‘simplistic,’ thats logical.
If you want to insult I can certainly do that too. But I’m refraining at the moment because I’m trying to have a discussion.
So anyone who disagrees with you (meaning all the players, the owners, the 50% of people in here who took the poll) is an idiot? Ah, so reasonable you are. How did I miss it….
You’re just elite in your brilliance. You separate yourself from the masses and look down at us pitiful humans that think we understand reason. You’re right, your honor, your brilliant argument was just so complex it bypassed me….
Yeah you’re right, your evidence based “try” theory is just amazing. Teams just need to “try” and they win! Man, you’ve figured it out. You should coach and GM a MLB team so you can just get them to “try” and they will win. Show the owners the evidence based theory of yours that if the teams “try” they can win it all. Show them how the Dodgers were able to use the “try” method and the Yankees just didn’t “try”.
Man the bangers you come up with. I’m done, you can keep believing your idiotic points and theories. It’s very very obvious the MLB is ruining its product and you can go down in flames with them. Enjoy your Yankees I’m sure you’re not biased or anything, lolol whatever I don’t care about your opinion anymore, pearls before swine and all that.
Once again…if the nfl currently ran like the mlb. Where they didn’t share revenue 100% and had local tv deals that were drastically different from the big markets vs the small markets.
Small market teams like the chiefs wouldn’t not be able to afford Patrick. He would have signed as a free agent with a large market team. Which would drastically shrink their contending window.
If you don’t believe that then you are lying to yourself. There are a millions cases just like this in the mlb.
Also buffalo isn’t even on the radar to get an mlb team because of their market size. The packers wouldn’t be in Green Bay any longer either.
You can call this speculation all you want but in today economics this is the reality. Say the opposite of what you know to be true to try and defend your terrible stance.
SIMM, you can’t say what would happen because that’s just an opinion. I’m not dismissing your opinion, I’m pointing out that’s not the case and having KC in every Super Bowl is not a good solution. It’s demonstrating the exact lack of parity you’re trying to avoid.
Your reductionist and surface level analogy of KC in 3 super bowls immediately meaning that there is no parity is laughable. That’s why no one takes you seriously. Just because an organization uses its resources well and drafts well and is coached well doesn’t mean there isn’t parity. I couldn’t help but point out your just ridiculous points.
Although to be fair, I’m sure the chiefs have just figured out it your “try” method and are able to “try” harder than everyone else and win! Lololololol
4Roses: I’m starting to realize who you are. I can say this: my theory is not, “try.” I was stating that when team want to win, they spend. The bottom third of the league does not even spend the COMPETITIVE BALANCE MONEY they’re given to compete.
You have a terrible habit of cherry-picking. To take things out of context and then trying to level insults based on YOUR misreading of text.
Insults don’t work when your argument is so elementary.
3 Super Bolws? Are you that mathematically illiterate?
And, I’m for using “resources” well. That exactly what the Dodgers are doing that you’re so purportedly against. You defeat your own arguments…. Please go back to school because I’m starting to feel bad for you.
Back to “try” out of context I see. You’re clearly of subpar intellect. I didn’t think there was a missing link, but perhaps it’s YOU.
Sorry I’ll just “try” harder next time and then I can win!
“ If teams refuse to TRY they are bad. Teams that try, win.”
-Yankee Clipper
Your words not mine! I know you want to weasel your way out of a very bad argument but you dug your grave, now lay in it.
Out of context. You’re an imbecile. Read all of it, if you’re able to. I thought illiteracy in this country was being addressed.
Oh, 4 Roses is the internet tough guy. They make pants for men too. You just can’t wear them.
Funny how you didn’t dispute the name change either jerkwad. Go away, you stalker. Stop changing names and feeding your MPD. See a psychiatrist and get the help you need.
Oh you just used a personal insult! You mad bro?
“Insults only come when one has no argument.”
-Yankee Clipper
Lololololololol
BRO? Haha. Tells me everything I need to know. It’s weird with you stalking people. Go away. Why do you insist on coming to this site to do this? Your mental instability must be extreme.
Psychiatrists can help you, I think.
The Kansas City wouldn’t be sniffing the Super Bowl for a third straight year without Patrick. Who Kansas City could never afford without complete revenue sharing.
Nobody has ever in the history of the nfl won 3 super bowls. As of right not nobody has still done it.
NFL teams that have an all time great QB is what creates dynasties. No one mlb player can have that kind of impact in the mlb.
The only reason big money teams don’t win the World Series just about every year is because in a short series the randomness of baseball.
With that said the teams that spend the most money give themselves the most chances in the playoffs which leads to them eventually winning it all.
Small market teams can’t maintain the level of spending as large market teams. Which generally gives themselves a window of contention. The Yankees and dodger types window is forever.
The Padres can never afford to spend like the dodgers. Look at the constant articles about them having to lower payroll. Look at the mlb saying they are out of debt compliance. Look at the ownership court case that says they are 100m in debt. This was all because they tried to spend with the big boys.
In the nfl it doesn’t matter what your market size is. Case in point…buffalo and Green Bay. Two markets that could never spend the money to compete in the mlb. They would have to constantly trade away players as soon as they make any money. Then hope they have an amazing front office to find cheap players to contend. That puts them on a major uneven playing ground vs the big market teams.
Saying other wise is ignorant.
I’m stalking people? Lolol, you replied to me remember??? Probably not you’re not really bright so let me help you.
“ So, 4Roses, back to your NFL comparisons…”
-Yankee Clipper
So no I’m just posting on the thread that I was posting on before you came in with your bad ideas and worse logic. I think you just didn’t “try” hard enough, next time if you “try” harder you can win!
You are literally spilling pearls in front of swine. In other words, your wisdom is wasted on him. His ego won’t let him admit that you are obviously correct and he was proven wrong a long time ago. You’re right and he’s so wrong he can’t dig himself out of the hole.
SIMM: You’re justifying the dynastic NFL teams as a benefit of one person (QB). While I don’t dispute the importance of that impact, my point is that capping spending doesn’t fix parity issues. It creates more problems because teams cannot spend to fix any issues, therefore they’re bad for extended periods of time.
Look, you said it yourself, no team has won 3 Super Bowls… yet, here we are, in the current capped league, which is supposed to create the greatest parity, and we may have the first.
I’m not disputing that spending more on talent gives a team more playoff chances. My argument is that caps will not increase parity in terms of competition. The NFL has had several dynasties since the last MLB dynasty, which was 25 years ago.
You’re simply saying that parity is increased because it’s the small market that’s dominating the league season after season (at least that’s what it seems you’re saying). But, it’s no different in terms of competition – a sports team is running roughshod over the league year-in and year-out, but at a much more dominant stretch than any in MLB.
Yes, NFL is different than MLB. But, why then use the NFL as the case in point to support the desire for caps?
Again, until teams are forced to spend to compete, a true evaluation cannot be made using league-wide competitiveness, and thus the institution of a cap would create a bigger problem than already exists, imo.
Any cap which I don’t think is required, would come with a min spending amount.
I actually think if the teams share all tv revenue evenly and then put in a floor you don’t need a cap. The players associations would likely to agree to this and won’t to a cap.
The issues is can enough teams vote for this because the big market teams will not. They like having their revenue advantage.
This would reduce the rev gap but not eliminate it. Allows the teams to keep all of their attendance and merch ect money. That is driven largely by a team competing and getting people to come watch them. They should keep that money for doing so. So the Dodgers and Yankees types would still create more revenue based on normal attendance and ticket prices. Which I am fine with since operating cost in those city are higher as well as tax rates.
SIMM: I agree that is a much better starting place than a cap. I’m not opposed to making changes, just to clarify. I just think a cap is an overly simplistic attempt to solve the existing issue, when much better options ( like the one you posted, ) are available.
You can’t take when someone doesn’t agree with you and then stoop so low as to try to push mental illness on them. You’re a real piece of work. You literally have no life and post on here religiously. I just decided to start posting after years of watching and you are the reason people don’t. You think this is your little empire and you can banish people. You need this place to somehow validate your weak ego. I’m good, I can sit back and laugh at your weak ass arguments and weak ego without needing this place. I’m perfectly happy with my life, obviously you aren’t with yours because you feel the need to insult people on the internet. It’s ok I feel sad for you, you’re clearly just a sad human being.
Someone posted a breakdown of how the Premier League shares revenue. I liked it and it seems to work well in keeping teams from just pocketing money so I am going to paraphrase it here.
All local revenue is shared 50/50 with the visiting team.
All TV revenue is pooled.
(There is no local TV for the Premier League)
50% is shared equally.
30% is in a merit pool with the teams that win the most matches getting a larger percentage of it
20% is in a pool divided by the number of games a team is televised. All are guaranteed a certain amount of games televised with the teams that were in the “playoffs” the previous season getting a few extra.
Teams that win make more money, not just the ones in the largest markets.
Holy SHIITE! Ryan answered with 3 different accounts on this one post. Thinking there might actually be a 4th unless 4Roses is Joel/Blackpink/BITA.
Joel, is that you?
@Pads Fans –
I’m extremely skeptical of any revenue model from the Premier League.
The Premier League is very unbalanced in terms of both spending and winning.
The highest wage bill is ~12x that of the lowest. Even the 7th highest wage bill is slightly less under half of the highest. givemesport.com/premier-league-wage-bill/
And that financial disparity has been reflected in who wins the Premier League.
Since it was formed in 1992, only 7 different clubs have won its championship. And 3 of those clubs have won only once. Manchester United has won 13, Manchester City has won 8, Chelsea has won 5, and four other clubs have combined to win 6 times.
realist,. thanks. I was unaware of the lack of parity in the Premier League. I just liked the idea of all tams being forced to try to win to collect more of the shared revenue.
@Roses, look what “parity” has done in the NFL… yeah I’ll take MLB thanks.
What has it done, made football the most popular and lucrative sport in the US jumping baseball as the most popular. Over 50% of people surveyed out 12000 said football is Americas sport. I’ll take the NFL model any day.
I could care less what the popular model is. Bad football is awful to watch. My point was just that dynasties are way worse in the NFL than the current MLB. How are the Dodgers ruining baseball, yet the chiefs winning two in with a potential third on the way a major boon for the NFL?
@CarolinaCubsandKush So you do care what the popular model is?
@LFG No, I’m just asking out of curiosity really because that seems to be a popular sentiment on this site now, after the Roki signing at least. Roses and so many football fans seem to think the NFL is so great right now during a clear dynasty, while baseball fans on here think the Dodgers making a super team to try to get the same end result is a game-killer.
…Granted I don’t frequent NFL boards much these days for a better direct comparison…
@CarolinaCubsandKush You said you could care less what the popular model is. That means you do care. At least a little.
This is the daily Padres are broke no they’re not chitchat. I’ll demure from the repetitiveness for this go-round.
All teams that got tv revenue dropped haven’t been active this offseason. When mLB fixes the media all teams are struggling
Not broke, just have assets tied up in a contested Trust.
Equity rich and cash poor it would seem.
So much for them winning the Soto trade
You’re right, the Yankees fared so much better.
Yankees made it to the World Series with Soto which made a boatload of money on top of the boatload they did in merch last year. I think they would say they absolutely fared better.
and then what happened?
And then it doesn’t matter what happened really. Pads made a run as well, got Cease, too, all good things. But cash wise? Nah. For what was made and where they went, I’d say mission accomplished. If King abd Cease ultimately don’t stick with the Pads it’s even more of a loss.
They got an extra draft pick to replace the dudes they gave up with.
Sure, if you look at it that way then I’m in agreement with you.
But in my sarcasm, I was thinking that Soto walked away from the Yankees for nothing but in the Padres scenario, they received players back for him.
Good call on the financials though. I didn’t think of that.
Padres did quite well financially in that trade. They made it to the division round and saved 30m from trading Soto. That’s a big financial gain.
They got a high Rule 4 draft pick ~ #33.
The Padres missed the playoffs with Soto and then made a playoff run after trading him to the Yankees.
It was a very fair trade for both sides. I don’t think either team has anything to complain about
Face value, absolutely fair trade. It’s the end results I think that the OP is talking about.
We haven’t seen the end result. What if they did trade cease and or king. That return will likely help them for years to come.
Like how the prospects they gave up for Cease would have or the prospects they could have gotten from the Yankees if they let them keep Michael King would have?
The cease prospect wouldn’t be helping much atm with the main one hurt.
Who knows what they could of gotten instead of king. Both cease and king gave them a great shot at a World Series last year. Now it’s a matter of biking a team for 2025.
Yes and if they trade King or Cease there’s no guarantee that the headliner in that trade won’t get hurt or just suck. So it’s not true that the return “will likely help them for years to come.”
It’s not true that they won’t either.
Exactly. We don’t know. If we knew then those dudes would cost a lot more than 1 year of Dylan Cease or Michael King.
Of course, then you have to add in opens up 14m in spending.
Cease and King would get a lot more than that in FA
I’m talking about the amount saved by trading them. Save 14m on cease, get players back and can reinvest that money into more players.
LFG, what’s the zip code where you live in Whataboutism-ville? You can play games all day long with “but what about” when what actually happened is the only thing that matters.
@Simm If that would improve the Padres moreso than 1 year of Cease he would have been non-tendered.
Because they’d get assets for Cease to help elsewhere and then have money to plug other holes. Keeps the window open a little longer.
Going to be tough in 2026 if they let Cease and King Walk & go over the lux tax this year. Will get watered down comp picks and go into 202) with Musgrove and 40 year old Darvish as their top 2 starters.
If they sign Cease & or king—-you’re talking $25MM+ per year for probably 4-5 years for King. Probably 6 years for Cease at a higher AAV.
That’s going to be tough with a team that already has so many guys locked in to sizable deals.
Lesser assets that Zavala, Iriarte, Thorpe and Wilson. And it wasn’t exactly a secret that Cease’s salary was going to go up in 2026 when they traded for him.
They got a years worth of value out of Cease. & honestly the return is not going to be a whole lot worse. I think that whole group trended down this year.
Yes and if they trade Cease the return could just as easily do the same thing Samuel Zavala and friends did in the next 365 days. With the Soto trade they got a little lucky with King and Higgy having career years while Profar did as well while filling the position Soto vacated. I wouldn’t bank on that happening again.
Ultimately I just don’t see the point in trading for a guy just to flip him a year later unless it’s a Drew Pomeranz situation where he has unrealized potential you think you can help him unlock and then flip him for more later on. Cease was a known quantity when the Padres traded for him.
Well yeah. You have to rely on Preller’s scouting and Niebla’s development of a pitcher. I think credit has to be given for identifying and developing.
No guarantees. But things are real thin in 2026 if they don’t acquire future value.
I don’t think another Profar is going to drop out of thin air. That’s going to be a downgraded position this year.
Can’t the goal be to compete for a WS last year while also having an asset to flip later if needed? I’d argue Cease has raised his stock but obviously that is taken back down with a year less of control.
Preller also could’ve sold on prospects he believed were at peak value at that time. He could go flip Cease and grab multiple pieces that he perceives as undervalued.
FWIW Burnes was a rental last year and I wouldn’t be surprised if Joey Ortiz and DL Hall produces a higher WAR total than the package Preller gave away for Cease.
For all Preller’s faults—I think he’s a good prospect evaluator.
Aloha Gwynning! How you feeling about Cease and King being shopped around? Good pitching beats LA but I also understand what kind of haul they could bring in to the organization. Look what my Cubs gave up for 1 year of Tucker. Starting pitching is always in demand. Take care now. Mahalo!
Aloha kg! Ship ‘um if they get you the right capital… but I don’t think we’re shopping yhem as much as other teams are just getting their prudent calls out the way! Good luck to your Cubbies, braddha! A hui ho
Aloha Gwynning, there’s a lot of chatter right now that your Padres may be talking with my Cubs about King and Suarez. I’m guessing it’s in order to dump salary. Not sure it happens. We’ll see. Mahalo!
Cease hasn’t raised his stock. He was a known quantity who is now a year closer to FA, a year more expensive and with the false hope of extending him further squashed.
The prospects he traded for Cease were at peak value but so was Cease. If he wanted to consolidate those prospects for other MLB pieces then trading for Cease as an interim step was, well for lack of a better word, stupid.
They are trying to win a WS in 2026 as well and trading Cease isn’t going to help that. As it stands they need to sign or trade for 3 more SP’s, 4 if they trade away Cease or King, and they refuse to even consider signing Trevor Bauer.
@kgcubs Robert Suarez won’t cost much. You can have Michael King if we can have Owen Caissie back.
Oh and as for Joey Ortiz and DL Hall putting up more WAR than the dudes that were traded for Cease in 2025…
1. The Cease package was looking more long-term while the Brewers wanted dudes that could step in and help the team now for Burnes.
2. In 1,000 simulations the package Preller gave up for Cease will end up with more WAR than the package he could get if he traded him now well over 500 times.
Aloha LFG, lol! No to Caissie but it sounds like Assad possibly Rojas,etc. I think your Padres won that Yu-san trade and the only glimmer of hope is Owen. We’ll see. I don’t like seeing San Diego do this as it hurts them against their division but I understand they are trying to cut costs. I wish both teams well this season. Mahalo!
Cease raised his stock as a single season pitcher. Obviously losing the year of control lessens the overall value. I wasn’t saying he would fetch more today in “perceived” prospect value.
I’ll take that bet all day on Ortiz/Hall being more valuable than Thorpe/Iriarte/Zavala.
Zavala will be lucky to be Nomar Mazara. I think Ortiz will post more WAR than Thorpe. Iriarte is tracking like a reliever and I think Hall is too. I love Hall’s stuff from the left side. I think he’ll be a really good one.
Point being you had to give up something like Thorpe & Iriarte for Burnes and all you get back is a comp pick when he walks. Cease can now be dealt for a lot more than a comp pick and just gave you a season that looked like Burnes’
& yes I believe the Pads will easily get back more than a Samuel Zavala type prospect for Dylan Cease.
@Jbigz12 I was referring to the overall value. And teams lose good players to FA all the time. By your logic your O’s were way more dumb for giving up Ortiz and Hall for one year of Burnes + a comp pick. They did it because they wanted to win a title in 2024. The Padres (at least ostensibly) want to win a title in 2025.
If they do trade Cease then in order for the first Cease trade to not be graded an F they need to get back a package as good or better than what Zavala et al were a year ago. Regardless of Zavala et al underperforming in Chicago if the goal was to consolidate them into big league pieces the way to do that is not by trading for an asset whose trade value is on the decline as an interim step.
Re: the package
No, they don’t LFGSD. You have to account for 2024 service time.
@kgcubs If King or Cease is traded it’s going to be an overpay. The Padres need to add good starters a lot more than they need to subtract them.
@kgcubs Oh and the Cubs won the Darvish trade. The Padres failed to win a title during the years Darvish was already under contract for, the extension was an overpay so it isn’t a point in their favor and everyone said that Darvish would help the Padres lure other Japanese players to SD but he hasn’t done that. They whiffed on Shohei Ohtani, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Kodai Senga, Seiya Suzuki, Shota Imanaga, Masataka Yoshida and their biggest target of them all, Roki Sasaki.
Would love to have King back in Yanks bullpen.
He is way to valuable as a stater to go back to the pen.
King is a rock star stud of a starter. No way would he go back the other way.
GB99…Bullpen?? he’d be a top 3 starter on that team.
They’d put Schmidt in the pen before King. I think King got NL CY votes last year as a SPer, if I’m not mistaken.
Preller listens and dangles basically every player in the org at all times. This isn’t a big deal.
It’s not even a story. Read the Rosenthal report, he just speculates about a bunch of pitchers that might be available in trade and drops King as an example. He had no scoop from Pads org or AJ Preller. MLBTR is in the game of generating click bait.
Still bitter about the premature Scherzer report? lol
BTW, everything is clickbait
@wallabeechamp
Huh??
I never wanted an aged Scherzer
There are plenty of other reasons to hate Ken Rosenthal.
Brew, exactly! This is all the bowtie wearing troll said.
“One reason the open market remains clogged is that teams continue to discuss trades. The Seattle Mariners’ Luis Castillo and San Diego Padres’ Dylan Cease and Michael King, for example, are among the starting pitchers who remain in play ”
That is it.
I get trading Cease as long as he brings make rotation-ready help. But King should be a franchise cornerstone after what he did last year. There’s no way that the Padres wouldn’t lock him up long term if ownership was settled.
As much criticism as Preller has gotten from fans during his tenure, this off-season has got to be killing him as much as it’s killing Padres fans.
king and cease to the red sox for abreu, crawford, and fitts. the dollars make sense for the padres.
Early contender for worst trade proposal of the year
Its really not that bad. The Red Sox don’t need 2 soon to be free agents but the value is about right.
Abreu and Fitts for either Cease or King makes sense.
I’m not entirely sure that offer would get Cease or King individually let alone together. That would be highway robbery in favor of the Red Sox
For one year of control? It would be highway robbery for the Padres.
Bits- he aside king and cease
Crawford is really valuable just probably not what the Padres want. They want cheap but perhaps they don’t need all that team control.
What the Padres are trying to do is going to require a lot of luck.
If the Padres want a cheap controllable starter with upside, Bello for Cease makes sense. Sox would have to extend Cease, which would be very similar to signing Burnes. Bello isnt on Cease’s level yet, so rotation upgrade for one and long-term value play for the other.
Ronk – For 1-year rentals the Padres would make out like a bandit.
The Red Sox would hopefully at least make it contingent on a reasonable extension.
Bello is not cheap. The extension he signed guarantees him $74 million over the next 5 seasons. He has a 4.42 ERA and 95 ERA+ over parts of 3 seasons in the majors so he has been below league average and not quite as good as Randy Vásquez who is ticketed for the #5 slot in the Padres rotation in 2025.
The Padres asked for more than that for Cease alone during the Winter Meetings in December. They asked for Mayer, Abreu, Fitts, and Gonzalez (who was traded to the White Sox in the package for Crochet).
The dollars don’t matter. The Padres don’t have to cut payroll. Making the Padres a better team in 2025 is what matters. I’m sure the Red Sox priority is the same.
Preller had an ownership that was FULLY invested into winning. Peter Seidler gave him all the tools to build a champion & what we see is what Peter (and Pobre fans) got.
Top heaviest roster in the sport. The only one of their commitments that has a chance to age well is Tatis. Who’s confident that he can even stay healthy?
It’s all bad & it’s all on AJ
It’s all on the new bloodsuckers who control the Padres.
@Youbeeachump
Just curious, how do you quantify top heaviest roster in the sport?
Help me understand why the Padres roster situation is all bad again?
The problem, and the Padres aren’t the only team that has issues like this is that Fernando Tatis Jr., Manny Machado, Xander Bogaerts, Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove combined for just under 11 BWAR. They cost about $100M. That’s not terrible, but it’s not what they expected. ]
So that collective 100 mil is spread out amongst 5 players. 5 players out of 40. that leaves….does the math…35 players left to give the current 93 million to(current payroll allocation is 193 millon). Thats rough.
Steroids,
The Padres CBT payroll is $246.8 million. That gives them $146 million to spend on the rest of the 40 man roster beyond those 5 players.
If you are talking about MLB payroll, that only includes players on the 26 man roster and currently stands at $207.9 million.
10 players on that 26 man roster are pre-arbitration and will be at MLB minimum or close that level of salary. 10 x $760k = $7.6 million.
The 14 players that are not on the 26 man roster will make far less playing in the minors. Some as little as $26,200. Most between $30,250 and $35,800 in AA and AAA. 2 or possibly 3, depending on which make the MLB squad, will make closer to $90,000 because they have MLB service time.
Steroids do terrible things to your brain matter. In your case they seem to have removed your ability for reading comprehension as well as basic math and logic.
That last paragraph is why you are seen as an arrogant goose.
Tell us again how the lawsuit is “freaking awesome”, will be “over in days” and Sheel will spend the next month or so
catapulting the padres into the top 5 of payroll spending. How is your brain doing ?
FFS. Words fail me.
Ironic that you are being so arrogant in your post.
The main two points of the lawsuit are over. Judge Chu ruled on them. Matt Seidler is out as trustee and a court appointed receiver will be named. John Seidler has been blocked from becoming control person for the foreseeable future.
The fraud portion may take a long time, but the main points are settled.
You are trying to say that Sheel Seidler will spend. I never did.
You are saying that the Padres will be in top 5 in payroll. I never did.
If you are going to be arrogant, don’t lie.
Ok. I could dispute that,
but I’ll settle for “freaking awesome” and “over in days”. Remember ? Everyone but you was either wrong or misinformed. Yet here you are. Slamming the intelligence of people who do nothing but state an opinion.
You are a first class fool. Amazing how much of a fool you are. I can’t comprehend how people become like you.
I haven’t seen any of this reporting but I do know they were suppose to be in court today.
You mean Padsfan jumped the gun and put out the most positive spin? Shocking.
fappert, did you see the lawsuit report today? I agree with Padres Fans if he actually said that. It is “freaking awesome”. The Seidler brothers are out. Matt is no longer the trustee of his brothers’ Trusts and John will not be the control person anytime soon if ever. In 21 days, Sheel Seidler’s lawsuit decimated their attempt to take control of the Padres.
He called you on your BS and now you are pouting and calling him names like a 6-year-old. Man up.
Web- I haven’t seen any reports about the Matt being out. Do you have a link you can share or a report?
Cool, so there is none.
Ding ding ding. You’ll find that is a pattern.
I want the Yankees to get this done by virtually any means necessary. Eat the Stroman money but give them Stroman for basically the league minimum or pay his entire salary and take on all of Michael King’s salary.
Yes, the Yankees would be spending $26.6M or so for one pitcher, but it’s not like they don’t do that regularly already.
Lets be honest- all the Padres want is salary relief. So I say the Yankees should give them that salary relief and get back one of their best pitchers.
lol you got to be joking ? Michael King is not a salary dump, how do you figure Padres benefit from this deal?
Big benefit, if the Yanks pick up Stromans salary and throw in Peraza or Pereira. Stroman is a nice replacement for King, add a nice prospect.
Cubs are a nice fit for Cease or King too, they are built to win this season, adding a starter is still of interest to them, could bring back Cade Horton and Owen Caissie. Cubs have some decent prospects to send back.
Orioles also a good fit. Be nice to get Coby Mayo and Enrique Bradfield Jr., could possibly explore moving Machado with Coby Mayo in tow. Unsure if their are any takers for Machado but I’d imagine he could be moved, even with his ridiculous contract because he has lived up to it to this point.
1 year of stroman for free is not worth King also you have to worry about his option for next year. King with his salary should be able to net a top 100 prospect, this deal offer is just ridiculous.
@Bwmiller @Trill
The only reason they want to move Long is because he’s a free agent, and they must feel like they won’t be able to offer him a competitive offer. That being said, the offer from the Yanks side is ridiculously low. Also, the Yanks don’t really need another pitcher. They have 5, and I think Schmidt had a shot to bring a really solid #3 guy and is under control for 2 or 3 more years.
@ReyDay
As good as King is, the Yankees also already have full rotation and some depth arms. King is probably making $8.5M next season. These wish-list trade proposals are something else.
With that said, I propose Stroman, Grisham and a PTBNL for King to @Gwynning :p
Yeah Orioles or Mets would be a perfect fit for him. Both have the prospect capital to do it more than Yankees have at this moment.
@ReyDay
The Mets won’t give up the prospect capital required for King based on how they approached starting pitching this offseason. Don’t see the O’s doing it either.
YBC, what if we gave them Stroman and Schmidt (and $ or prospect) and took back King and Arraez? I think they’d go for that more.
Yanks take Machado, King, Leo DeVries and Ethan Salas.
Padres take Stroman, Chase Hampton, Henry LaLane, Everson Periera and Oswald Peraza.
Padres trade Cease to the Orioles for Coby Mayo and Enrique Bradfield Jr.
Be nice to shed 8/300M on Machado, Yanks can pick that up.
Deal. I’d take Machado in a heartbeat.
Seriously? Mayo and Bradfield is far more than they gave up for Burnes.
All contingent on getting Coby Mayo.
That’s just pure speculation just caused they didn’t give up 2 top 100 guys + extra for crochet doesn’t mean they didn’t kick the tires on it. King wouldn’t cost as much but regardless they are still a better fit than Yankees with need and prospects. Jetts or Sproat + any combo of Gilbert, Clifford, Tidwell, Acuña would be more then Yankees could offer.
I don’t think the Mets FO are sending out Jetts or Sproat for Michael King. You’d have a full on fan revolt.
Also, the Mets do have better high end prospects, but the sneaky thing about the Yanks farm system is we have A LOT of second tier guys that are generally viewed as decent prospects. They’re much easier to deal from quantity and a lot more digestible to lose than the Mets would.
@Sal I think only way they’d do that if they planned to sign him long term which giving up Sproat wouldn’t be as big of a hit. But you’re right I wouldn’t want them giving up Jetts.
Another Yankees fan “homer deal”
that over values Yankee players and prospects
and severely undervalues Padres players and prospects:
Point#1 Padres team payroll drops to 136M in ’26 if they do nothing.
Point #2 SS De Vries and Catcher Ethan Salas are the top#1 international prospects signed in subsequent years and rated as future All Stars. BOTH ARE “UNTOUCHABLE”
Point#3 AJ Preller and Padres have already turned down flat a deal involving Arreaz and Stroman. Padres do not need or want Stroman or any part of his bloated salary.
Padres already have 4-5 young early 20’s starters vying for major league jobs that can out-pitch Stroman for league minimum.
Point#4 Any Cease deal with the Orioles, the Padres would demand and get players like: C/1B Basallo, LHSP Cade Povich OR RHSP Chayce McDermott and a LF prospect like Heston Kjerstad.
Most of the players you propose the Yankees dumping on the Padres are of NO INTEREST TO THE PADRES.
The exception being maybe LF Everson Periera.
But, the Padres would demand RHSP Clarke Schmidt as part of any possible deal. etc..
It’s a fair trade. They gave up a lot for Burnes, Ortiz and Hall are both on the MLB roster and a first round pick to boot. Bradfield has a nice tool, but hasn’t played above AA. Mayo is a future star.
O’s aren’t going to part with Basallo or Mayo and Kierstad plus Povich or McDermott for any rental.
That’s an insane amount of future value and the O’s aren’t a 1 year plan club.
You have to entice the Yankees to take on 8/300M for Machado, and trading the pair of prospects could swing that.
In return you get two nice SP prospects in Hampton and LaLane and two nice player prospects in Peraza and Peirera. Yanks get a year of King too. It’s a big contract to take on, but I think it’s a fair exchange and a good trade for both teams. Yanks could use a 3B.
You say that but they are stuck with multiple prospects who are MLB ready with no place to play. Beavers, Basallo, Mayo, Kjerstad. Have to move somebody, might as well get a nice SP, it’s what you need most.
Why are you wasting your time with that ridiculous trade?
Kjerstad or Mayo have a slot open to play. Both won’t be dealt with more for a rental.
One of the two is plausible.
@Sports I don’t think Miller is NYY fan (could be wrong), so that homerism seems misplaced. He laid out a way NY would take on Manny’s massive contract and that’s certainly a way to do that.
The constant beef that fans have with NY’s farm system is not shared by GM’s. Cashman is actually pretty good at trading and has succeeded very often. A lot of that is because the system is better than given credit for. Like I outlined above, we’re one of the better systems to be able to deal from a quantity standpoint because we have A LOT of good 2nd and 3rd tier prospects.
So you saying the Padres have no interest doesn’t refect the Padres. Did you already forget we landed Soto with said system?
I haven’t heard Machado’s name mentioned at all this offseason, but man it’d be something if they could get together on that one for sure.
Cease, Suarez and King to Detroit for Torkelson, Manning, Madden, Montero and Malloy. Apparently, I dislike players that start with M. So throw Mize in too.
Need to throw in N through Z plus at least one J too to get all three of those.
Yo wtf is that offer, bwmills?!?!?
Lololol
I’d rather take YBC’s offer and punch myself in the baseballs. To quote Sir Charles- “That’s just turrrribleee!”
Makes no sense.
Padres have already turned down NYY flat in deal involving Arraez and Stroman and probably others.
Padres have 5-6 young starters competing for #’s 4-6 in rotation that all have put up better #s than a declining older Stroman.
More like Cease to Orioles.
Orioles would send to the Padres: c/1B Sam Basallo,
RHSP Chayce McDermott
and another prospect.
O’s would be trying to extend Cease and offer similar contract that they offered for Corbin Burns.
Orioles had a chance to give up some of their top prospects and land Tarik Skubal @ last summer’s trade deadline.
Orioles front office was too conservative and let a huge opportunity slip away having Burns and Skubal 1-2 in the playoffs.
Not happening.
Machado keeps playing and putting up his numbers and he gets into the Hall of Fame.
If NYY want to make an offer for Machado. then it would have to at least rival the Padres-Nats trade of Soto to SD for top young players and prospects.
Most ridiculous trade that you have posted like 10X ?!
Cease and suarez are All Stars.
Cease has finished in top 5 for Cy Young multiple times in the last 4-5 years.
King is a young, cost controlled “break out” starter.
Tork and Manning are both busted 1st round draft picks.
Madden and Montero are back of the rotation, young pitchers who have not proven value @ MLB level.
(Padres have 4-5 of those already)
Malloy is a decent prospect, but he has not proven that he can hit during the regular season consistently @ the MLB level.
So this is a very low offer for three top young major league assets .
I am not joking. I think the Yankees are more worried about where and how to use Stroman than what his salary is, at this point. I also think King is fantastic whether as a starter, a long reliever, a swing man, a whatever- just a great pitcher, entering his prime, still relatively cheap.
Stroman has likely received the best deal of his career with that 2 years/$37M or 3 years/$55M deal and it was an overpay- but the money is guaranteed- Stroman seems like a candidate for multiple trades so that 3 or 4 teams are each stuck paying $4.5M to $6M of his salary rather than any one team paying all of it and in the case of the Yankees, they can eminently afford his salary they just don’t want to feel forced to play him when they assume he’ll implode.
I know you aren’t but the flawed basis of your trade proposal is assuming that the Padres want to salary dump King. The Yankees having no place to pitch Stroman is their problem only.
I think they do want to salary dump King. It sounds like with Seidler’s passing, the Padres are admitting they went ‘all in’ for him and with his money in his twilight days and once he was gone, they didn’t see an upside or weren’t comfortable maintaining the budget his hail mary approach required of them and now they are trying to become like the A’s are now- a large enough budget they’re not actively avoiding spending money, but also trying to avoid paying any kind of premium on players unless they’re stuck with them- so with guys like Machado, Tatis, Bogaerts, Darvish and Musgrove, etc. they’re stuck with those contracts, those salaries and those guys will prop up their perceived spending levels at a baseline of $100M+. But outside of those guys, they’re gonna go ultra cheap.
The Padres are basically trying to become the D’backs during their Greinke contract era- a handful of guys on massive deals and the rest of the team constructed with keeping costs down in mind.
Which means guys like King, making $8M, are viewed as a luxury they can manageably jettison and saving $8M is saving $8M.
These Yankees trade proposals aren’t just plain bad.
The O’s one a I saw was pretty bad for the O’s as well.
Work to the Yankees lovers../ nobody wants stro. King may have the highest trade value of any pitcher who could be traded for. If it’s not him it’s Cease. Both are paid well below market value and are both cy young candidates.
Padres would require a hell of a lot more than stro even a free for king.
Every team in the league would love king at 8m.
How about the Yankees eat 100% of Stroman’s contract in 2025 and in 2026 if it vests, send a lottery ticket prospect along with him and they get back Randy Vazquez.
The Padres have made no indications that they want salary relief and even the article by Rosenthal doesn’t try to say that. Yesterday Acee admitted in his article that the Padres were not cutting payroll.
They want to fill holes on their roster. Preferably 2 per guy they trade. King is cheap af. Especially in comparison to what others make. It’ll take a lot to pry King from them. Especially considering that they need SP even before they trade one of them.
padres are broke
“Padres are broke”..Yes, those daily overflow and standing room only crowds are just a smokescreen, right?
Yes! Spot on, mlbfan!
It’s a total smokescreen.
They are BROKE
That’s why they are desperate to offload high performers, with reasonable compensation costs, for a few rolls of ‘ em dices.
Has anyone attempted to poke them to make sure that they aren’t Covid cardboard people?
@youbeeachump
You have some insight to the Padres books?
You know this for fact?
No.
I think the Padres business plan has changed.
Padres are being forced to get smarter managing available assets
They will keep bringing in young, cost controlled talent and complementary players and remain playoffs competitive.
Padres will keep their core together but infuse younger, hungrier talent with big upside.
Not a bad way to go.
Padres ARE NOT HAVING A FIRE SALE.
Padres do not have to trade Machado.
Padres are just realigning their assets and roster
for longer term contention against the Dodgers.
According to online sources, the Padres payroll in ’26 is projected to fall to the 130M range or less before
they add any players.
Sports- I completely agree with this .
Are you their CPA?
Have you looked at their books?
Padres sell out just about every night and draw 3 million fans+ parking+ plus concessions (food and drink) plus souvenirs.
Playoffs adds more $$$$ to their pile.
TV revenues shared with MLB clubs
on multi billion dollar National TV deals also makes adds to the money pile.
Read that Peter Seidler’s net worth is 3.5B now in the Trust.
So while they are not strapped for money and could play out this year even without making any moves, the Padres payroll drops to 130-140 range next year if they do nothing and just let their free agents walk.
Last week it was Dylan Cease, this week it’s Michael King. As usual, incredibly unlikely either of them get traded. Padres aren’t retooling, they’re going to be a competitive team. The only way either of them get traded is if the Padres have an epic collapse near the trade deadline…
Or get wowwed beyond belief today. You get it Acoss, but pretty funny how 95% of the “internet” doesn’t. You never hear of real, legitimate Padre trades before they happen. This alone tells me that other teams are leaking this info, and probably only because they called us. Haha, cheers amigo, stay warm out there!
Pads had Dodgers on the ropes n had recently beaten em before in playoffs. Now cause of change in ownership philosophy they’re gonna gut the meat of the team. Bummer. Love the SD/LA rivalry, afraid it won’t be same. In-house bickering probably cost em Roki in final days before his decision. Cpl bad contracts ruined it.
The Padres are not and were not built to last. This is what going all in looks like. There is a price to pay and the Padres are paying it now.
“The Padres are not and were not built to last.”
Built to last is exactly what contracts like their big three suggest.
The only problem is the good owner having died.
The owner dying is the reason they spent so much in the first place.
The owner knew he was dying. It was always a short term plan.
Nah, the owner as stated in today law suit report. Came down with an I expect blood issue that he expected to recover from. Reports are it was fairly sudden, he didn’t do all the spending while sick.
The padres are perfectly fine now and long term. They will sell of certain players to young talent to fill in around their core. Along with infusing it with bright shinning prospects.
Now the cardinals they are a mess.
The Cardinals have had 1 losing season in the last 17 years. And the one that was 18 years ago came right after a championship. The Cardinals have had success that the Padres could only dream of.
True but they are currently a mess. You should spend some time worrying about them.
The Cardinals are the worst team in ’25 outside of the Southside of Chicago. BITA just can’t handle his immature anger at this fact and lashes out at fans of other teams as a result.
Padres are restructuring and resetting their business plan.
They are growing and developing their farm instead of trading it all away.
They will be competitive just by promoting their great young players.
I know the consensus is that everything will be just fine in SD this year, but when they’re still trying to shed payroll while having several significant holes to fill, they may have to resort to the waiver wire to address them. But everything’s fine – all good.
They are not trying to shed payroll. Acee just admitted as much yesterday. The Chairman and CEO have both said all offseason that they would end up with a payroll between 2023 and 2023 and that means increasing payroll over 2024.
You are a very gullible person.
You are obviously not capable of reading or listening and just want to subscribe to conspiracy theories, not the facts. That is sad. Get help.
The facts are that ownership will be in limbo for the next year or two. They have spent zero dollars and will not spend until the ownership is settled. They are definitely trying to make trades to lower their payroll.
Ownership is not in limbo at all. It is exactly where it was last season. The Peter Seidler Trust is the largest owner of the Padres. Eric Kutsenda is the control person. Erik Greupner is the CEO.
What has changed is that Matt Seidler is out as trustee for the Peter Seidler Trust. He now has no say in what the trust does or how it votes. John Seidler has been blocked as control person at least until the lawsuit is over. Probably permanently.
After the lawsuit is decided, ownership will change a huge amount with the Seidler brothers likely forced out. It hasn’t yet.
The Padres have not made one trade to lower payroll. You have to be extremely gullible to think they will in the face of all the evidence that they have not made even one trade that cut payroll.
On this website yesterday they posted about an article that came out from Acee confirming that the Padres will not be cutting payroll.
Facts matter and you seem to prefer conspiracy theories.
But hey, you do you boo.
metsin4000 is a funny comedian. It’s gotta be a farce account, right?!?
Padres have already made some minor waiver wire and trade moves and it will continue.
I’d trade both Cease and King for nice prospect packages.
Sign three or four SPs, Urquidy, Clevenger, Quantrill, Lynn, Means, Heaney, Gibson, Scherzer, Quintana. One year deals.
Maybe you hit on one or two of them, your game has to be scoring runs and bullpen success. If you can get long innings from your starters, you can still win games.
You should be able to sign three pitchers for an AAV of 40M, Scherzer could be good. Urquidy could be good. Means could be good.
The prospects in return for those two starters could be real good. Hope you can do better in FA next season, hope Bateman, Mayfield and Candiotti develop. Still giving yourself a chance to win in 2025.
You can’t resign Cease or King next season, have to trade them. Hope Musgrove makes a return in ’26, a few more good seasons out of Yu Dharvish.
I could see singing two of them and possibly getting another starter or two in those trades.
Pads fans- I did the math and with the raises to players. The padres net about 55m off the books next year. Suarez would add another 8m to that.
Simm, Take a look here.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hUvYNZODpusJEJQm41…
That is Cots Baseball Contracts
The Padres have $70 million coming off the books next offseason including $12.24 million for Hosmer. They can afford to extend Cease, King, and Arraez if they choose to. Those 3 are their only free agents.
If Suarez opts out then they would have $8 million more off the books.
The 6 arbitration eligible players are projected to get a total of $7.2 million in raises if they are all retained.
The Padres have considerable payroll flexibility.
And, the Padres can fill some of their long term position needs
by fast tracking SS De Vries and C Ethan Salas to the majors by late ’25 or mid ’26.
That would open up SS and allow them to
deal Bogaerts in ’26 if he has a big year.
See if the Blue Jays want him. They’re desperate for any signings. Probably give up half the farm for him.
Jays have no farm to give
@Whyme
Oh, right… nevermind…
The Padres are in real trouble. They aren’t good enough as it stands now. Some of their best players are soon to be free agents and it’s unlikely they can sign them long term. They can rebuild but they have the Machado and Bogarts contracts weighing them down. No good answers here. Probably should wait until July to sell but they can’t field a team as it stands today.
Park will be sold out all year but the fans will be all unhappy
I wouldnt say machado is weighing them down. He is playing well within his contract. Hes been really productive in his time out in SD.
Laziest player in baseball. How many rallies does he kill because he refuses to run?
Machado has admitted numerous times that he’s not “Charlie Hustle.”
Ok Ryan. In that Bauer article you brought out all your accounts. I think I counted 6 of them total. Impressive.
Machado is on the decline with back to back seasons with an OPS under 800.
How long until we are all “Ryan” according to websoulsurfer?
Pads Fans calls a lot of folks here “Ryan” also.
Well every single site disagrees with you.
I haven’t seen the padres as is ranked less than 7th in baseball.
Padres will be fine. Almost of their core was hurt and missed significant time. Only mainly played the whole season and he was hurt most of the first half. Now they have Merrill as part of the core.
They may trade a player or not but it will only be for players they believe that will make them better.
If you want to go look at a team in big trouble look at the cardinals.
I think the Padres have the better team in 2025. But moving forward the Padres are screwed they can’t sustain what they have been doing the last few years. The Cardinals are going through a transition. So are the Padres they just still have some talent left from their win now moves. At least for now they do.
Cool we got that settled the padres are better than the Cardinals.
Who is next on the debate stage?
Preller will make deals between now, Spring Training and opening day.
And, probably a few more at the trade deadline.
They have the present talent to compete for a Wild Card,
They have 3/5 of a rotation
Padres have the same rotation they started with last year minus Musgrove who was hurt a lot of the season.
They will be fine.
If they don’t trade King or Cease
They haven’t yet.
The Padres would be wise to go ahead and trade both Cease and King now to reload for the future. They look like the third best team in the NL West this year and will likely lose both in free agency next year
Breaking News– Padres formed a thought and translated it into a linguistic structure, then physically manipulated the vocal cords and mouth muscles to produce audible sounds that convey the intended meaning about a baseball player.
i applaud this
Let me know when one of these “padres are trading …” actually happens and then I’ll share what I think when I see it.
That’s where I sit nowadays. It’s all smoke and clicks, and only because teams are calling us trying to squeeze the lemons. Ridiculousness!
Hey braves go get him! Yankees got fried, so let’s counter and go get king! Plus after getting profar, would it not be great to start the season in Petco, carrying their own all stars? If not go get cease please! And Ha-Seong Kim! The Atlanta Padres will be leaps and bounds better than the actual San Diego Padres! Don’t come at me with team records from this past season either y’all! Everybody knows if the braves were healthy and players played up to par this past season it wouldn’t even be a question at who’s better! Healthy with positive regression and new additions we can see the braves win 95 games again!
San Diego doesn’t know what it wants from one off-season to another. They are either all in or not. They sign Xander, Manny to huge deals, then look to unload players.
If King is available i can see AA all over it.
What happens when a team overextends itself financially. Gave out way too many rich contracts. Passed on cheaper assets that they had. Traded away a lot of prospects. These are prospects that they could have used as cheap players to blend in expensive FA signings. Preller should own this. We all knew that this day was coming but sounds like it’s coming earlier than anticipated.
What happens when a great owner dies and is replaced by a criminal like Bob Nutting?
#mlbdefergerfan2015
Look …it’s an LA Deferger fan handing out advice on roster construction.
It’s true, not all teams should try to buy every FA out there! And should spend wisely to construct the best roster possible.
Hmmm….sounds like the approach the Padres did just last offseason, right? And is the offseason over?
Your comment: We all knew this day was coming??? <—Besides talking out of your keyster? What exactly did you know?
@PadreRob
Regarding your “buy-every-free-agent” assertion about the Dodgers, a glance at current 40-man rosters suggests otherwise.
Including prospects who haven’t reached the majors, international signings, and players who’ve only played in MLB for their current team:
The Dodgers have 22 such players (not counting Kershaw and Sasaski, who are not currently on the 40-man roster). That is among the most in MLB.
On the other hand, the Padres have just nine, tied with the Phillies for second fewest. Tampa Bay has the fewest, with eight.
@El Kadouche
You mad little bro? It’s gonna be ok sport.
It’s hilarious how Deferger fans don’t like any criticism of their team. Free entertainment.
Serious question, why get so worked up over other team’s roster construction? Why are you so worried about it?
It’s a well bought team you have over their! My hats off to you!!
Now go back to Defergerland and be sure to use that rock to cover the hole you reside in (take that shovel with you too).
Padre Rob proving that Padre fan base not exactly sharpest in tool shed.
You spend according to what your top line generates, genius. Padres have no business signing contracts over $1 billion in total. They went all-in and they lost. Simple as that.
Not only did they take on too many FA contracts including the terrible Bogaerts deal, but they also traded away a bunch of prospects to acquire players. These are prospects that they desperately need to play at the MLB level NOW as a cheap source of talent.
Yes, if you ever read my MLBTR comments in the past I specifically said that Preller is crazy and that this day would come. Did I think it would be 2025? No, but it was coming. You don’t have to be a genius to know that. That Machado contract is going to inflate in a couple of years. Severity of Cronensworth deal bounces around but that could still be a bad deal. Bogaerts contract is probably the worst in baseball. Educate yourself Padre Rob!!
#mlbdefergerfan2015
Did you give a thumbs up to your own post?!?
You are indeed a tool.
Get a life deferger boy, Back to moms basement you go.
You had all day to post something intelligent and this is what you post? Padre Rob is an embarrassment to Padre fans. There are a few here who actually put some thought even if I don’t necessarily agree with them. Clearly you’re not one of them.
And no I didn’t give myself a thumbs up and don’t need to. You on the other hand. I can tell you don’t get very many thumbs up. So you know what? I’ll give you one. Congrats on the first one!
@mlbdefergerfan2015
No Deferger boy, I work for a living. Can’t stay and post all day such as yourself. You on the other hand seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Lot of Deferger fans seem to, now that I think about it.
Look, just because you shout at the moon, on your posts, trying to will the Padres demise into existence, doesn’t make you right. Not how it works, sorry.
Keep throwing crap into the zone and hoping some of it sticks? Is that your thing?
The old, make enough predictions, one of them is bound to come true? That’s you right?
In fact, the on-field results and attendance in the stands over the last 4 or 5 seasons are completely contradictory to your posts.
Sure, they haven’t won a WS……yet. But what upsets you and your fanbase so much that they are and continue to try and win one? Why does it upset you so? It’s getting to the point of torment for you guys.
It’s comical (and delusional) that you think you could run the Padres or any baseball team, better than Preller (or the late Pete Seidler for that matter).
It would seem the education needed here is for yourself. Or at least a refund for the one that you may have acquired.
Get some skoolin on the dynamics of the sport and some experience watching the game. Oh, and stay in your lane.
Wow, this guy’s really good.
Let’s trade him.
Ok.
I wouldn’t be totally shocked if the Padres trade both Cease and King if they can get back a couple of quality young pitchers back.
This would solve some of their long term needs. They have a good core of position players signed long term. Plus their two best prospects Salas and DeVries coming that can fill a couple of the remaining long term position needs.
If they can get back a couple of quality young pitchers that puts them in a pretty good spot pitching and hitting for years.
Out of the two I think King has the most value. With his contract and results last year one could argue his value is greater than Burnes a year ago.
I would be totally shocked if the Padres traded either King or Cease. After seeing what Preller asked for Cease, its obvious that he would have to be totally blown away to trade Cease. That was a trade that would have immediately filled multiple needs for 2025 with MLB or MLB ready players.
Read Rosenthal’s article. He has no source saying its happening or even that they have considered it. Its all conjecture about who might possibly be available in trade. At this point he has mentioned every Padres player as potentially being traded other than Merrill.
The key point is this. The Padres are not trying to strengthen the team down the road. They are looking to win in 2025. Any trades they might make would be with that as the goal. They have a number of 30 and over players an they are going for it while they are still in close to their prime.
Unless a trade contributes to winning now, its likely not happening.
Having seen what Preller has done about this time of year in terms of trades, I would not be shocked to see one of them traded, but it would be a HUGE trade, and the Padres would be adding 2-3 MLB or MLB ready players plus at good prospect in that trade.
That being said, I don’t believe it will happen because of the response Preller got to asking for that deal from the Red Sox in a trade for Cease. No legitimate rumors have surfaced about Cease since then.
パドレス、トレード交渉でマイケル・キングについて協議
“For much of the winter, reporting indicated that they needed to cut their projected 2025 payroll. But reporting from recent days suggests the club may be able to keep their projected spending around its current level, give or take.”
The Padres payroll is UP $40 million and will go up further before the seasons starts.
Rosenthal posted this same kind of crap prior to last season and then the Padres signed Profar and Peralta and traded FOR Cease.
At this point you can safely ignore Rosenthal. Since the sale of the Athletic to the New York times he has become Nightengale. Nothing he says is reliable unless he is commenting after the fact.
Jim Bowden feels slighted by your comments.
He should.
Reporters report the facts they get from “insiders”.
Ownership of Padres did a 180 degree turn with their business plan
as prior owner was on his death bed.
It is not that hard to believe.
Now, it just matters what is their business plan moving forward?
Rosenthal doesn’t even claim this is from “insiders”. Its on paragraph of conjecture.
The Padres dipped under the CBT for one year. They are up $40 million in payroll and over the CBT now and as a reporter that did attribute his article to an exec on the Padres said that they are not cutting payroll.
That so hard to understand?
Crazy trade proposal idea coming in hot:
Padres need LF, SS, catcher.
Yanks send SS Oswald Perraza, LF Everson Pereira, catching prospect (they have quite a few) to Saaan Diego for Michael King.
Right after this trade the Yanks send Marcus Stroman to the pitching needy Athletics for international money (let’s call it 1m) plus Yanks eat 4m of his contract.
8.5m for King plus Stroman 4m =12.5m which is 4.5m less than Stroman contract (18m) currently thus puts Yanks under the 302m cap threshold and brings NY homegrown Michael King back into pinstripes where he belongs!
Who says no to this fine master piece I ask?
What makes the Padres think that Peraza and Pereira are both starting player material and that the Yankees have a MLB-ready catching prospect? The closest one is Ben Rice and that’s a stretch.
Padres have Bogaerts at SS for the next eight seasons. Padres also have to give Campusano a run, he still is a good option at C.
If they can land a big time 3B, or move DeVries to third, they would be well served to get Machado off the books, and run it out with Tatis and Bogaerts. Machado is great, but if they aren’t planning on spending like the Dodgers or the Yankees, be nice to have that 40M a season to work with.
Every human living in the world today?
Why would SD take Stroman, a much lesser pitcher than King, to pay him $6M more than King, and who will need to be limited to 140 IP in 2025, or be on the hook for an additional $18M in 2026? Peraza, Pereira, and a catching prospect aren’t enough to offset the negatives that it would take to accept Stroman for King.
Billy- that would be a no. Xander will be playing short next year, they currently have cronenworth at second and Arraez at first.
Sell your crap somewhere else.
Or just flush it and be sure to wash your hands, Billz.
Maybe Clarke Schmidt + for King. I never liked that we traded him away!
Cease to the O’s. Get it done, please.
Darragh, just stop. “The club needs to address left field, catcher, the rotation and maybe shortstop as well.”
Maybe shortstop? WTAF. The Padres have a good shortstop. Bogaerts is one of the top 6 shortstops in the game over the past 4 seasons.
The Padres might LIKE to upgrade their rotation, but the rotation is has less question marks than it had at this time last season and trading Cease or King HURTS the rotation, not improves it.
The Padres picked up Profar for $1 million last year AFTER spring training started.
The Padres have a BETTER team at this point than they did last offseason. The team as it is currently constituted is 6th in MLB on the power rankings. Its a really, really good team.
I can see how other teams might like for he Padres to dismantle the team or get rid of one of their better players. I know fans of other teams want the Padres to act like the Padres of old when they traded away stars for prospects, but that is not how things are being done here now. Prospects are being traded for stars. Superstars are being traded for multiple MLB players to make the team better today.
You really need to pull your head out of the 2010s and start looking at what the Padres have actually done the last few years.
Bogaerts isn’t top 6 SS by any measure over last two years. And most of his key offensive stats, like SLG, OBP, WRC+ declined the last two years. Last two seasons he’s 11th in WAR and 12th in WRC+ at SS. Thankfully he’s played good defense to help his value from tanking. But I doubt a huge turnaround is coming at his age, and that contract looks more like an albatross each season.
I’m looking forward to seeing what a healthy Bogaerts can do, he’s been injured since being with Pads.
Reading is not your strong suit is it?
Citing relevant stats isnt yours is it? Who cares about last four years. Hes 32, last two years more relevant. Bottom line, not a top 6 SS at all anymore which is what matters.
You like to cherry pick, don’t you Ma? Teams use 3 years weighted to the last season unless there was an injury that is not a significant one like a labrum tear or UCL reconstruction. Then they use the last 4 weighted to the last season prior to the injury. PLEASE don’t believe me. Go find someone that works in the front office of the team you root for at the fan fest this year and ask them. Then you will know that I am correct.
The Padres are weaker at catcher and in the outfield and don’t have much depth. How does that make them better than last year at this time?
Meanwhile, the Dodgers and Diamondbacks have improved their rosters, which is not a good sign for the Padres.
At this time last year the Pads didn’t have a RF (Profar wasn’t signed yet) or a CF (Merrill was a minor leaguer). At this time last year they didn’t have Cease, or Arraez. They didn’t have Jason Adam or Hoeing. They did have Kim and Higgy, but Higs wasn’t their starting C until Campy got hurt in June.
Go look at their roster on 1/26/24.
Profar, Wandy Peralta, Cease, Arraez, David Peralta, Donovan Solano, Scott, Hoeing, Adam, and a few others are not on that roster. Most of those were not added until between April and the trade deadline.
Tyler Wade was the starting 3B. Azocar was the starting CF, Pauley, Johnson, Merrill or Marsee, and Higgy were the bench, Estrada was minor league signing that was expected to start the season in El Paso.
The roster is stronger today than it was 1 year ago today.
However, the organization is weaker due to the ownership situation. Trading will be difficult, and no new Jackson Merrill is on the horizon. As it stands today, the Dodgers and Diamondbacks have significantly better rosters. It’s a tough spot for the Padres to be in.
Dbacks do not have a significantly better roster. I haven’t see one power ranking that has them above the padres.
The dbacks are little better on paper than last year but they also are down some good players. Walkers is better than Naylor and Pederson had a monster offensive year for them.
Padre do have a couple of holes they need to fill but most of the players they have are good to very good to great.
There have been no changes in the ownership or team executives.
The Peter Seidler Revocable Trust is still the largest single shareholder in the team.
Eric Kutsenda is the Chairman and control person.
Erik Greupner is the CEO.
AJ Preller is the President of Baseball Operations.
The only changes are that Matt Seidler is out as the trustee of the Peter Seidler Revocable Trust, Marital Trust, and Exemption Trust. A court appointed receiver will take over. John Seidler has been blocked from becoming control person, at least until the lawsuit is decided.
No trades are necessary. This team is really good as it stands. That doesn’t mean Preller won’t make trades. He has made some great ones the past few years. Always blockbusters. That doesn’t mean its necessary to do so in order to compete for a playoff spot.
At this point last season Merrill was not expected to be a starter on the team. He had started the previous season in A+ ball and ended the season in AA. He didn’t cement a spot until mid-March.
On 1/26/24 Azocar was the starting CF. Tyler Wade was the starting 3B. Pauley, Johnson, Merrill or Marsee, and Higgy were the bench.
Profar was not a Padre. Either was Cease.
Arraez, D Peralta, Solano all came in April and May.
Scott, Adam,. Hoeing, and Perez came at the end of July.
As it stands today the Dodgers have the best roster in baseball. They are ranked #1 in the MLB Power Rankings. The Padres are 6th. The Diamondbacks 8th, moving up from 11th after signing Burnes.
The Padres have $70 million coming off the payroll after this season including $12.24 million they have been paying Hosmer with just 3 FA. They are in an enviable position.
Keep telling yourself its a tough spot if it makes you feel better. That doesn’t make it true.
Arb raises for the 6 Padres eligible would be between $6 and $7 million. Padres will have $73 million to play with if Suarez stays while staying under the 2026 CBT threshold.
Another year like he had in 2024 and Cease will get a little less than Burnes who got 6/210 with $60 million in deferrals. NPV of a $32 million AAV.
King will get far less because of his lack of track record as a starter. Think Wacha and Lugo, but a longer deal because he will be a year younger than Wacha and 3 years younger than Lugo was when they reached FA. Wacha got 3/51. Lugo got 2/30. 5/90 is a reasonable target for him. If we see more inflation at the top of the market, he could get as much as $20-21 million AAV for 5 years.
Arraez is projected to get less AAV on a long-term deal than he is making in his final year of arbitration. 5/60 to 6/72 is what he is looking at in his next deal. If he wins another batting title in 2025, you can probably add another year to the end of that.
Where have you read that he took a discount? He got $5 million more in AAV prior to the deferrals than anyone, including this website, predicted. After the deferrals, the NPV is still $2 million more than this website or any other that I read predicted. Eovaldi has a 13-season history of performance as a starter. He is a bad comp. Every website I read says that King is looking at an AAV in the Wacha/Lugo range but longer due to him being younger. Not one has predicted 4/100 including this website in the chats. I agree,
It would be 2 years of performance as a starter for King. I don’t dispute that its possible he gets $20-21 million AAV and said so in my post.
That you are not confident is irrelevant. What is relevant is what the people in charge said. They said that a payroll between where the team was in 2023 and 2024 is sustainable. Their words, not mine.
If king has another year of 200k’s and a below 3 era I think he will get a massive pay day. Like 5-6 years around 125-150m. Perhaps even more if someone really loves him.
Cease has another year like last year he will be around the similar to kings deal. If either of them have a fantastic year then 200+m could be on the table.
I do think Arraez will be around what you said unless he puts up a 3 war or better season then he could get a little more. Maybe 3/50 4/65 type of a deal. I don’t see him getting more than that.
If Suarez repeats last year he will opt out. 100% certain of that. He can easily get 10-15m aav on a 2 year deal. Maybe a little more if he is even better.
Cease will get more than King. $12-15 million more. The reason is both the fact that Cease has much better velocity and strike out numbers, his STUFF is much better, and the difference in track record as a starter.
Cease will get something about the same as Burnes after the deferrals are taken into account. $30-32 million AAV sounds about right.
Suarez will be going into his age 35 seasons after 2025. He will have to have a great year in 2025 to opt out and if he does then the Padres will have had a great closer and he deserves the raise.
There have been a lot of comments from Padres fans on here saying that Estrada is the heir apparent to Suarez, so if Estrada has a good year in 2025 the Padres might let Suarez walk and reinvest that money in areas.
If they want to move King, I would wait until the deadline. Try to extend him if you can, but if you can’t, he will most likely outplay his contract and get a better return than say Cease or Arraez.
Ryan, I called you out after you were caught using 7 accounts on one thread so you make up an account name that mimics mine? You are truly pathetic,
Nothing would make Rosenthal happier than the dismantling of the Padres.
Pain
Tidwell, Parada and McNeil plus $10 mil for Cease
Why would the Padres want McNeil?
Why wouldn’t they?
They already have a second baseman in Cronenworth. Adding McNeil wouldn’t fill a need or improve the team.
He a utility player. He fills in at 2b, 1b, Of and can play 3b in a pinch. He doesn’t start at 2b every day.
He also turns 33 in April, coming off two mediocre seasons. I doubt any GM is beating down the Mets’ door trying to trade for Jeff McNeil. Even with the $10MM you propose, the Padres would have to pay him another $36MM over three years. That’s a lot of money for a declining bat with a salty personality.
I’m not saying they are. He was a throw in in the trade proposal. He’s still a very useful piece and is a league average starting player with some upside. Many teams would love to have him at the right price.
I’m sure about that, given McNeil’s contract situation. Non-contenders and rebuilding teams wouldn’t be interested, and I don’t see a contending team that would see him as an upgrade.
He’s definitely an upgrade as a utility player. He obviously isn’t worth the 15m this year and it would need to be paid down some.
I understand your perspective, but contenders probably wouldn’t be interested in him because of his age and recent struggles. Moving him will be difficult unless he gets off to a blazing start. Would the Mets want to keep him if that happens?
Mets- the padres aren’t one of them.
The Mets only would want to move him because of their major league ready talent of Acuna, Maurichio , Baty and Williams getting close.
McNeil played 110 of 129 games at 2B in 2024. That is his primary position.
El- I hear the padres are in need of a ball girl
Sproat (Top 100 prospect),
Megill (AAA SP – fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/mets),
Mauricio (Out of Top 100 after 2022. Missed all of 2024 to injury),
Parada (Not in Mets top 30 prospects for 2025 after really bad 2024 in AAA)
for Cease and a lottery ticket.
Keep McNeil. The Padres have no need for him.
That’s actually a pretty fair trade
I think you are right. He nailed Cease’s value.
With all these Stroman for King proposals, it’s obviously a lot of Yankee fans are trying to dump Stroman, and get back top flight talent in return. If SD is trading King, which I don’t understand why they would, they can do a lot better than Stroman and some prospects, even with NY kicking in $9M-$10M. If the Yankees want to undo trading King away, they need to offer value equivalent to King.
“With Sasaki signing with the Dodgers last week…”
Oh, he did?
I had totally forgotten.
Wow, lots of bad trade proposals for King. The only reason to dangle him out there is to attract a significant overpay. Cease is for salary relief. King is for prospect capital.
Cease won’t be cheap. King will hurt a lot.
If the Padres were seriously interested in moving King, he would probably be considered the best SP trade option. In that sense, it makes sense to at least dangle him.
king straight up for trent grisham (cue lion king “circle of life”)
lol FIRE SALE!!!!! Going into fire sale trying to keep up with the dodgers?
Preller has some interesting cards/trade chips to play.
If he plays the Padres cards right, then I can see the Padres contending for a Wild Card in the NL West, again this year.
Low salaried, tested and proven starting pitching with out injury problems
is like gold in MLB,
Cease and King traded in separate deals could plug many of the needs on the Padres team: at least 2 or more young rotation pieces, LF, another catcher, 1B, DH.
And All Star Closer Robert Suarez could also be traded in a separate deal if the Padres get back what they want in such a deal.
Arraez can be dealt in the right deal only or just kept for his great, clutch hitting.
Those large contract core team Padres won’t be traded this season.
Sports- keep in mind if they do trade those players they don’t need to fill all their holes with them.
They would shed 22m trading king and cease alone. If they traded Suarez that’s another 10m, if they traded Arraez that’s another 14m.
That’s 8 to 46m they would free up to reinvest into the team. They could sign a couple 2-3 good free agents still with that money. Plus still have all the returns from those players.
What if they turned and signed Flaherty for 20-25m per and say Scherzer (other options) for 10-15m per. That’s would still leave them 6-16m less than their current payroll. They could add a catcher like Diaz and still be under that amount.
Plus all the players they would get back for King, Cease, Arraez and Suarez. Which would be a substantial amount of good young players. To cover 1b and LF as their primary needs. Surely they could even land another starters pitcher in those trades. One could argue they would be a much better team than they are right now without increase the payroll one cent.
Padres are in a perfectly fine position to compete next year.
The Padres don’t need to move any of them to be in a good place to compete next season. They have $70 million coming off the books and only Cease, Arraez, and King will be FA. Possibly Suarez is he opts out, but he will only do that if he has an exceptional 2025 season so no reason to trade him.
Pads- if you are replying to me. I said 1b in the case that they traded Arraez. That’s would creat an opening at first or second.
Was replying to Sportsfan000
Padres have no hole at 1B. Arraez will be the 1B.
Shildt has already said that they won’t have a full time DH. Players will rotate through DH to give them rest in the field while keeping their bats in the lineup.
The Padres will contend for the WC with Cease and King, not without them.
Hell I’ll take Michael King/ Cease on my Braves. Let’s go AA make something happen.
This May Hurt;
Cease & King to the Dodgers for Dustin May & Kyle Hurt.
I said, this “MAY HURT.”
You left off Roki to the padres:
Rosenthal is one of the best reporters around. Some folks think they. Know more than him because they have a keyboard.
That is funny. Since the New York Times bought the Athletic he has seldom been correct. He was not allowed into the Padres dugout during the playoffs and was denied access to the clubhouse as well because he was making stuff up that proved to be wrong.
Like what?
For years Manfred has made idle comments about the padres being out of debt to service compliance. I wonder if he is also handcuffing Preller?
Clearly the Siedler bros aren’t doing anything positive for this org, but the story could be bigger than that.
I do have faith in Preller and Schildt to do the best with what resources are allotted to them, so, here’s hoping.
Manfred has since came out and said the padres are fine. They already addressed the situation a year ago.
Read in the suit argument today the padres were 100m in the red when they took out that loan for 50m. MLB didn’t allow the other 50m, so Seidler loaned the padres the other 50m from his own pocket. All this is starting to come out with the ownership dispute.
That doesn’t mean they were 100m over in payroll. The padres have spent a lot of money upgrading the stadium and the parking lot deals. MLB just didn’t want them to go into further debt so Peter took care of it out of his own pocket.
Manfred has not once made a comment about the Padres being out of debt compliance. After 2020 a large portion of MLB was out of debt compliance and the Padres were one of them. The Padres and most other teams were back in before the end of the 2021 season.
The Seidler Brothers are not in charge in San Diego. Eric Kutsenda is right now and for the foreseeable future.
The Padres are ranked 6th in the MLB Power Rankings as the team stands today.
They are better than they were at this point last offseason. Remember, Cease, Profar, and Wandy Peralta were not Padres yet. Azocar was the starting CF and Tyler Wade was the starting 3B. The bench was Pauley, Johnson, Merrill or Marsee (two AA prospects), and Higashioka.
Arraez, D Peralta, and Solano joined the team in April and May. Peralta and Solano on minor league deals.
Scott, Adam,. Hoeing, and Perez came in trade deadline trades..
The Padres are not hurting. We don’t have to hope. What we need to do as fans is to have faith that like last year Preller will find those complimentary pieces like a backup catcher and a bench piece or two and then Shildt and Niebla will get the best out of a very talented group of players.
Agree. This team is really good. We will be a playoff team again in 2025. Lets see how much better we are.
King would be worth a lot. Cease is also worth a serious package.
The Padres could compete in 2025 without Profar and even Arraez, but they NEED starting pitching. Keep Cease and King!
If the Mets aren’t in on one of King and Cease their entire FO should be slapped with a talking fish.
“Even Arraez”? How will they ever compete without his majestic 1.0 bWAR??
Luis Arraez—the Dave Kingman of singles hitters.
Mets should be chasing one of these Padre starters. Something like Acuna, Megill, and Gilbert should be about right for one year of Cease; King would probably need a fourth piece since he’s both cheaper and better…
Especially when you are paying a 100% tax. Cease would be nearly 28m while king 16m.
King would have a more value than cease. Not just a throw in more value. Plus his agent isn’t boras so extending him is more likely.
Alright enough of this nonsense. New trade idea off out of the oven into the frying pan! Ego says no?
Padres looking to shed payroll correct? Bogarts is no longer a viable SS correct? Nice Boagarts over to third since he’s untradeable.
Send Handy Manny and Michal King to the New York Yankees forrrrrrrrrrr
Drum roll puhleeeeze
Giancarlo Stanton, Oswald Peraza to take over ss, Everson Pereira to play LF, and Clarke Schmidt.
Keep drumming.
Also. You forgot to throw Stroman into that bag of garbage. If you want to empty out the trash. Make sure the bag is full.
Dan- I would add to this but I think you covered it all.
Darragh, time has already told the tale on these rumors. You keep spreading them and then add more players to them and no one is being traded. They are not happening. It is pure conjecture by writers whose subscriptions are plummeting, and websites failing.
You wrote about 1000 words on what was 2 sentences from Rosenthal.
“One reason the open market remains clogged is that teams continue to discuss trades. The Seattle Mariners’ Luis Castillo and San Diego Padres’ Dylan Cease and Michael King, for example, are among the starting pitchers who remain in play.”
Then you edited the article twice to pop it back up to the top of the feed.
All for a rumor not based in facts or even on information from people inside the organization. Just Rosenthal’s guesses as to who might be available.
The Padres aren’t making trades to make Rosenthal look good or just to cut salary. They would only make trades to make the 2025 team better. It would be very difficult to make a trade of either Cease or King that makes the Padres better right now. Even a modicum of common sense tells you that.
Not seeing a 2025 campaign for the Pad Squad that is improved with both Cease and King elsewhere. Either one, possibly. As has been mentioned, team needs outfield depth, starting pitching, a bench bat or two and catching. I get seeing Profar pricing himself out of being resigned-but Higgy? Thought for sure they’d sign Higgy for another 1-2 years for relative peanuts. Team looks like they may be doing a delicate dance by trying to realistically remain in the race for the postseason, staying within whatever financial spending constraints currently hold sway behind closed doors, waiting for 2026 reinforcements in the shape of Musgrove, Salas, DeVries, recovery of Hosmer $$$ and balancing the keep/trade aspects of King, Cease, Arreaz, et al. Yu and Manny are another year older. Gonna be difficult to replace the quality innings at a relative bargain of Cease and King if both are gonzo. If one or both get traded, don’t see either staying in the NL altho I’m sure PHI, NYM and ATL have been burning up Preller’s phone. Boston or Texas seems slightly more realistic and if either team went in for a twofer package deal, it would net quite the haul.
Just looking ahead at potential postseason contenders in the NL for those 6 spots…thinking (inpo):
NYM
ARI
LAD
PHI
SAN
CIN
CHI
MIL
ATL.
This is why if a guy like Morejón can step up to being a starter it would be huge for the padres.
Also why trading a guy like Suarez and Arraez maybe needed to then add another starter with the 24m saved.
I have no doubt preller is going to trade a current member of the padres roster. If not multiple members.
AND now I know why your account seemed so familiar in the language and tone. Thanks for revealing yourself with that last post Ryan. You always do. You just can’t help yourself.
I should have known from the WWE reference in the account name.
That is 7 accounts used in one day Ryan. A new record for you.
Including his 8 GS with the Yankees, King has the 4th lowest ERA in baseball over that time (2.76).
Hard to see that value in performance and low cost matched in a trade.
Even if you go beyond era and look at his strikeout rate. Saw a list of under 3 era’s and over 200k’s, it puts him the elite of elites.
Then add in his 8m salary and you have a guy who is about as valuable as you can get on a 1 year deal.
Lastly boras isn’t his agent which gives an acquiring team a better chance of extending him. The padres should be fully looking into extending him themselves. If they can’t get one done Preller has to at least listen to offers for him.
Soto is a great player but was being paid 30m on a one year deal. One could make an argument that king has even more value at 8m. Especially when any team in the league can afford him unlike sotos trade market a year ago.
Cease isn’t far behind him given his production and salary as well. Cease is being paid 13.7m next year.
The question is will someone offer enough to get preller to move one or both of them. Padres aren’t going to punt on the 2025 season.
Been saying all off season padres should deal cease king Suarez and retool for 2025 and beyond.
Cease to Twins for
C Vasquez, OF Keaschall, RHP Morris, and for taking Vasquez 1 year 10 mill deal padres also acquire RHP Lewis and ss/2b Eeles
King to Red Sox for
Casas, Yoshidas contract, and for taking Yoshidas contract, RHP Perales, RHP Dick Fitts, and ss/2b Mikey Romero
Suarez to the Pirates in a deal for C Endy Rodriguez, take back Bednar contract to fix him, RHP Harrington, SS Mitch Jebb, and LHP Hunter Barco
Padres lineup for 2025
Tatis jr RF
Merril CF
Yoshida LF
Casas 1B
Cronenworth 2B
Bogaerts ss
Machado 3B
Arraez DH
C Rodriguez and Vasquez
2026 the only switch to lineup would be
Yoshida replaces Arraez at DH and Keaschall takes over in LF
Rotation
Darvish Fitts Morris Vasquez with Lewis, Harrington, Barco, Perales as options with Waldron
The Red Sox suggestion is ridiculous.