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Kennedy: Red Sox Expect To Pay CBT In 2025

By Darragh McDonald | February 17, 2025 at 9:08pm CDT

Red Sox president Sam Kennedy spoke to members of the media today, including Jen McCaffrey of The Athletic and Chris Cotillo of MassLive. He confirmed that the club is over the line when it comes to the competitive balance tax and expects to stay there, with room to possibly make additions.

Public estimates of the club’s CBT number have them right around the line, which will be $241MM this year. RosterResource has them at $241.6MM while Cot’s Baseball Contracts has them at $240.4MM. Those calculations are unofficial and it seems that Boston’s internal calculations have them over the line.

A club’s final CBT calculation isn’t made until the end of the year. That means there’s some wiggle room to make adjustments now or midseason. For example, the Blue Jays were projected to pay the tax in 2024 but fell out of contention and sold off various players prior to the deadline, which allowed them to narrowly limbo under the line.

For the Sox, they could consider something like that, as clubs often do when they are right around the border. For instance, Masataka Yoshida has been in plenty of trade rumors and has an $18MM CBT hit on his deal. The Sox wouldn’t find any club to take on the whole thing but could perhaps unload part of it if they wanted to avoid the tax. In the past five years, the Sox have only paid the tax once, going narrowly over the line in 2022.

However, it doesn’t seem as though the club is particularly worried about the tax this year. Kennedy said back in November that the club was hoping to be aggressive this winter, building a club that was capable of winning 90 to 95 games, even if that involved paying the tax. For much of the winter, they didn’t make a huge free agent splash but finally did so last week by signing Alex Bregman to a three-year, $120MM pact. The deferrals in that deal reportedly knock it down closer to $90MM in terms of present-day value, but that lower figure still reportedly added $31.7MM to the club’s CBT calculation for the year.

As the season progresses, it’s always possible that the club pivots at the deadline. As mentioned, that’s how things went for the Jays last year. But that’s clearly not how the Sox plan on things going this year. Assuming the club stays in contention through the end of July, they will be looking to make additions without worrying about ducking under the tax line. Those additions could come in the next few weeks, with several free agents still available, though the club could also keep some powder dry for deadline additions to address midseason injuries and/or underperformance.

Since the club hasn’t paid the tax in the past two years, they would be a “first-time” payor in 2025. As such, they would have a 20% base tax rate for whatever they spend over the line. There’s also a 12% surcharge for going $20MM over and further surcharges if they eventually go $40MM or $60MM over the base.

It’s surely a refreshing uptick for Boston fans. Up until a few years ago, the Sox had spent many years as one of the top spenders in the league. They had a top five payroll in all but one year of the 2000-2020 period, winning four titles in that time. They dropped back to the middle of the pack more recently, with Cot’s having them 12th in the league in the past two seasons. They finished last in the American League East in 2022 and 2023, before finishing at .500 last year.

They haven’t climbed all the way back to their previous level, with RosterResource ranking their projected 2025 payroll as ninth in the majors. However, they’re only $11MM away from sixth place and it seems like there’s a good chance those standings will shift in the coming months.

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  1. WadeBoggsWildRide

    4 months ago

    One toke over the line!

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    • LouWhitakerHOF

      4 months ago

      The Red Sox should have deferred a little more money to Bregman and kept themselves just under instead of just a little over.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        4 months ago

        That wouldn’t work for Bregman as he made $30.5M last season. His AAV is lower for the Astros contract but that’s the number he’s looking to beat.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          4 months ago

          Given other moves are likely in 25, does it matter? The amount presently paid will be minimal. The reasons to stay under are future related due to tax rate going up each successive season and because of the draft implications. Suppose, it works with Buehler and they want to extend him as well as work out deals with TH, Duran and a couple of the youngsters. That’s why it’s a sunken cost. Once your over it can be hard to get back under. Teams like the Yankees or Dodgers don’t care and look at the bottom line (spend to make even more) but the Red Sox at least recently have been looking at the rate of return, comparing the Sox division to that of their other sports and businesses; willing to allocate only to where they expect the higher rate of return.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          YBC – Exactly! With players and agents, it is ALWAYS about making more than they got the prior year whether it be AAV or total dollars. Doesn’t matter how little, as long as it’s more.

          That’s why when reports first came out that Bregman’s contract had a $30M AAV I was skeptical that he’d be making less than last year.

          If the Bregman contract does put them over the threshold (probably not if Yoshida rebounds and is traded midseason) then I will be pissed if next offseason the Red Sox “have to reduce payroll because they can’t be 2-time CBT payers”.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          dewey – Well said! Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a one-and-done as far as going over the threshold. It’s when you go over in consecutive years that the penalties really escalate.

          At least there should be a lot of money coming off the books for next season. But there will also be several young players who could be extension candidates.

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    • rsailler

      4 months ago

      Sweet Jesus!

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    • redsox for_life

      4 months ago

      Trade Devers for Vientos

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  2. Joemo

    4 months ago

    They still won’t spent on pitching like they need to. Wow they spent 120MM in Bregman without a place to play him. Maybe next year they can sign Bo Bichette to a high AAV short term deal with Story on the roster, Mayer hopefully knocking at the door, and a big gaping hole at the top of the rotation still.

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    • ClevelandSteelEngines

      4 months ago

      Most successful Red Sox teams have one or two good pitchers, however, it mainly the offensive success from the hitters which defines their highest floors. As Fenway is such a conducive park for doubles and fly-ball home runs, their runs per game get a great boost. The same can therefore be said for their opponents. Opponents, however, don’t build their teams as heavily towards offense, which gives the Red Sox an advantage. And the advantage the Red Sox have given away in pitching, the hitting environment plays an equalizer on both sides and reduces the value opposing teams have added into their pitching cores. Therefore, when the Red Sox can add a single or even two excellent pitchers, those that can still suppress heavily in the hitter’s Fenway, are infinitely more valuable than paying league average salaries. Hence, we see their risky investments in formerly talented aces, as is the case for Giolito and Buehler, and a big reason why they targeted Crochet because they seem to think he can overcome the park to become a difference maker, as Sale was previously.

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      • Joemo

        4 months ago

        Cleveland – great points, I feel like this team is still built differently than the Sox teams of old for s few reasons. The real lack of a RHB, Bregman is a good hitter, and the Bregman of a few years ago would have filled that void. Maybe he has a resurgence at Fenway who knows.

        The Sox teams of old also added guys like Schilling, Beckett, Peavy, Price, and Sale as their big name additions. Crochet has all the potential, but none of the track record and is a big injury risk (due to TJ with his previous reliever workload). Buehler might be who he was last season after the difficult recovery from a second TJ.

        Now I’ll gladly eat my words and say I was wrong if Crochet has a full healthy and effective season, I just find that very hard to believe in at this time. There’s too much (imo) riding on his health. Yeah there’s more pitching depth, but Fitts, Priester and Dobbins aren’t your top of the rotations arms ha.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          They’ve got to start somewhere. If you look at the IF defense of the last few years, and, what it’s been projected to be (at least prior to bregman) you can’t blame top flight pitching for being disinterested in the sox as a destination.

          The infield was so bad they work harder, from the stretch, throw a ton of extra pitches, see their metrics decline…. not a desirable destination.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          4 months ago

          Garrett Crochet is no more of a health risk than most other pitchers. His low amount of innings pitched so far in his career and lack of a “track record ” means that there’s less wear and tear on his arm than with most starters. He’s a top of the rotation ace and one of the top 5 starters in baseball. There is no big gaping hole at the top of their rotation.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          Rick porcello won a Cy Young. He was not a TOR level pitcher. Nothing to say Crochet will repeat that success yet, a career year can happen anytime. Maybe like Bobby D right at the start. Maybe in the middle. Maybe at the end.

          That’s why track record becomes important.

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        • ClevelandSteelEngines

          4 months ago

          Joemo — Bregman desperately needs a resurgence and will target OBP (walks), doubles and defense. He could go for HR but he can’t really sell those to other teams. Those three aspects can help him sell his value long term outside of the easy hitting Fenway. Ideally he should want to play 2B to increase his versatility defensively. He can also sell if the team does well his leadership skills to other up-and-coming playoff hopefuls.

          The best teams of yesteryear had at least one amazing pitcher in their best seasons: ’03 Pedro, ’04 Schilling, ’07 Becket, ’08 DiceK + Lester, ’09 Lester, ’10 Lester + Buchholz, ’11 Becket + Lester, ’13 Buchholz (1/2 season + Uehara), ’14 Lester, ’16 Porcello, ’17 Sale, ’18 Sale + Price, ’24 Houck.

          Crochet needs to add 40 innings to his workload. Even if he’s not an ace, this is good for the Sox. He’s super cheap and so it makes a Bregman year2 possible.

          Buehler and Giolito may not recover completely but the Sox only need a one-off season from any of those three pitchers for a good season to happen. If one of them stars, the Red Sox are rolling in gravy. If none hit, they aren’t committed to an anchor contract like the Yankees have given to Rodon and Fried, both guys who are better tailored to serve defense against the Bronx short porch than the Green Monster.

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        • ClevelandSteelEngines

          4 months ago

          Hammerin’ Hank — Tomato or Tomato. Amounts to the same, just another perspective. they’ve got at least two seasons to get one amazing season. That’s plenty good for me considering the cost and how infrequently the Sox have talented pitchers.

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        • padam

          4 months ago

          @hank – one can also make the argument that his injury with such a low number of innings/wear and tear is even more concerning, especially someone who was relieving and now starting.

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        • Joemo

          4 months ago

          Hank – so you’re telling me someone who handled s reliever workload previously through his entire career, and had gotten TJ, and then decided to switch to a starter and handle an very much increased workload does not put him at higher risk for TJ?

          Did he show that he can be effective throughout s full season making 30+ starts going deep in games, or did he really have a poor second half in abbreviated innings, with his HR rate skyrocketing?

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        • Joemo

          4 months ago

          GA – The Sox had a revolving door at 2B, SS, and 1B last year. Hard to blame Devers for all the poor infield defense when Story and Casas missed the majority of the year and the best 2B options for 2025 were not yet on the roster (Campbell, Bregman).

          It’s a little disingenuous to make decisions about Devers defense without actually seeing him play with story for a few games.

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        • ghostofmookiebetts

          4 months ago

          Hank- he’s definitely not an ace or top 5 starter in baseball. He definitely could be better 1/2 a season makes him neither of those things.

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        • Joemo

          4 months ago

          Cleveland – at some point the narrative has to switch from “thank God they aren’t anchored to a long SP deal” to “man the SP (or pitching in general) is the clear reason they haven’t made the playoffs since 2021 (it was even bad that year too). Maybe they need to invest in it.”

          Now maybe it’s this year and the high risk high reward investments all pay off, I just think it’s a very tough task as all the following needs to go right. I’ll list them with what I think the most likely is at the top.
          1. Houck takes a step forward
          2. Crochet is healthy and effective across a top of the rotation workload (30+ starts, 6ish IP average)
          3. Buehler and Giolito pitch like it’s 2021
          4. Crawford is healthy and doesn’t give up HR like Lance Lynn.

          And I’ll throw Bello progressing in there, he had a decent second half of the season last year and should be good for a back of the rotation guy regardless.

          That’s just a lot of things that need to go right.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          Joe – Your concerns are well justified.

          The list of players hoping to rebound from recent injuries and down seasons is ridiculous:

          Crochet
          Buehler
          Hendriks
          Sandoval
          Whitlock
          Giolito
          Bregman
          Casas
          Devers
          Yoshida

          It would be nice if the Sox could sign or trade for players who are actually healthy and coming off good seasons.

          Like they did with Pedro, Schilling, Manny, Damon, Foulke and so many others back in the day.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          GaSox – Without question the infield defense is a factor for free agent pitchers, but not as major a factor as you believe.

          Wouldn’t you agree the catching is important to pitcher success? Well there’s at least 5 recent free agent pitchers that apparently don’t care about Red Sox catchers being among the worst in MLB.

          Plenty of position player free agents have rejected the Red Sox the past few years, obviously the infield defense had nothing to do with it.

          No, the Red Sox have earned a bad reputation in large part because of their cheapness, the horrible way they’ve treated their players, the instability of the dysfunctional front office, the dishonesty that runs rampant from ownership on down, and their unwillingness to try and win the past 5 years.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          Hank – Nobody is questioning his talent, but to say he is no more a health risk than most other pitchers is the funniest thing I’ve read today.

          He’s had a recent history of injuries.

          He got turned into an opener after June 30th last year.

          He pitched only 44 innings from July 1st thru September.

          And he refused to pitch in the postseason without getting a huge extension first.

          Not sure how you missed all that, but now you know.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          GaSox – I totally agree!

          Track record is immensely important. A big reason why teams like the Yankees and Dodgers make the postseason nearly every year is because they acquire players with a solid track record. They don’t seek out flyers on a bunch of injured and slumping players, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle with a rebound season.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          Cleveland – If the Sox don’t extend Crochet this year, you don’t think they will trade him next offseason?

          Sorry but if he does have an amazing season, I just don’t see them competing for Crochet after he hits free agency. The last big name free agent starting pitcher they’ve landed is Price. That was a long time ago under a different regime.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          Joe – Thank you for bringing this up!!!

          Without question part of the problem with the team’s infield defense the past few years has been the revolving doors at both SS and 2B. Plenty of players have confirmed it’s a lot harder to perform well at 3B, SS and 2B when you’re not familiar with your middle infield partners.

          Nobody is saying this is the sole reason Devers has been so bad, but it’s certainly a factor.

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        • Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo

          4 months ago

          Can’t agree. He had one half of a great season. He hasn’t proven himself dependable over the course of a full season or shown himself to be a stopper. Not an Ace yet. All the talent is there but it has to actually happen before he’s titled as such.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 months ago

          The best teams of yesteryear had at least one amazing pitcher in their best seasons:
          =======================
          There is an interesting dynamic to baseball. If you want to make the playoffs, the easiest way is to have good hitting and 5 #3 SPs.

          The best way to win the WS is to have 2 #1’s and 3 #5s, but then you lessen your chances of even making the playoffs.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          Fever, I’ve got to disagree with you and Joe on this one from what it sounds like.

          Devers has been historically bad EVERY YEAR. Look at his stat lines, he either leads the AL or all of MLB in errors pretty much every season.

          For a big chunk of that the IF was stable and he was familiar with his tandems.

          He’s just really really *bad* defensively.

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        • Joemo

          4 months ago

          GA – I think he’s still bad, but has been improving. I think it’s a little harsh to grade him based on last season because of the revolving door at SS. He looked fine when Story was out there, Story just isn’t out there. I don’t necessarily believe that he needs some gold glove SS to improve his defense, he just needs consistency.

          And hey, Matt Chapman led MLB 3B in error last year and Wilyer led the MLB RF in errors, so it’s not a great stat here.

          My actual issue with this move, just so it isn’t lost, is that there were much better ways to spend Bregman’s contract to improve the team. I will be quite annoyed when the pitching staff is yet again the biggest weakness.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          4 months ago

          GaSox – Sorry my friend but that is simply not true if you go by FG’S all encompassing “Def” metric.

          Guess who the worst in MLB was in 2019?

          Nope, not Devers …. Vladdy!!

          Guess who was the best in MLB?

          Yeah that was an easy one ….. Arenado.

          But guess who was the 2nd-best in MLB.

          DEVERS!!!!!

          fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pageitems=200&#…

          Taking into consideration he played hurt in 2020 and also for most of 2024, sure he’s bad but grade-wise he’s not an F ….. he’s probably a D-

          Still in all fairness, if he had been “historically bad” every year there’s zero chance they would have given him that extension. They would have traded him. Bloom/Henry/Cora etc screw up a lot, but they aren’t idiots. LOL

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        • ClevelandSteelEngines

          4 months ago

          Fever Pitch Guy — Sox couldn’t extend him if they wanted. They also want his inexpensive contract for both seasons, regardless. Otherwise, why trade so many assets for a single season?

          What helps them extend or sign Crochet is building him an impressive legacy, a great story in these two seasons. Like they did with Sale in ’17 and ’18, despite how history play out afterwards. If it fails to work and Crochet doesn’t impress, what are we worried about re-signing him?

          Say we got Price for two years beginnings his seven season deal with a chance to opt out, do you keep him or let him go?

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        • SportsFan0000

          4 months ago

          Crochet only had one season where he was stretched out as a major league starter pitching only 146 innings in his one year starting.

          Before that, Crochet was injured for most of ’22 and ’23 and his top innings pitched was only 54 innings in 2021.

          That, in my book, does not show a track record as a top of the rotation starter.

          Teams are “projecting” that Crotchet has the skills to be a “top of the rotation starter”.
          But, until Crochet actually proves that he can consistently pitch at a very high level and stay healthy for multiple seasons,
          then I say no he is not at that level yet.

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        • ClevelandSteelEngines

          4 months ago

          Joemo — Only one has to go right this season.

          Everyone can be 4.00+ ERA guy if one guy is between 3.00-3.40 ERA and picking up wins. A rotation not strained by lack of depth, and not eating up the bullpen’s stamina before October.

          On your point about spending for SPs long term: this is the first season they aren’t tied down to a contract.

          The latest run of woe is directly tied to disappearance of Sale over the length of his deal (granted the team shot themselves in the foot last year). With Eovaldi, those two guys were locked up in the same way people have clamored for Fried or Burnes. Obviously there was terrible luck with Sale. However, they really didn’t have a spot to pivot to a new ace. This left only scrapping the bottom bargain barrel.

          Hence, why they decided not to dive back into this quagmire and went after Crochet and Buehler.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          Fever – let’s talk about 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024!

          fangraphs.com/players/rafael-devers/17350/stats?po…

          Devers has NEVER approached those numbers, let alone posted a positive result in any of those metrics all those other years.

          For some reason they gave him a +13!!! On his range rating, skewing the OAA. Again. EVERY other year he has been historically bad, and, even in 2019 he was an error machine. 22 errors, 14 fielding, 8 throwing, plus whatever else wasnt charged.

          He was signed to keep his bat. Pure and simple. And as countering the fallout from losing all the other homegrown big names. I still don’t believe that there wasn’t some statcast related error in thr numbers they transcribed for that season since that’s the basis on the numbers you post.

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    • Best Screenname Ever

      4 months ago

      I think/hope it’s the Sox vs the Mets for Vladdy. He wants to be here and the Sox want him here, so the foundation is there.

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  3. all in the suit that you wear

    4 months ago

    The Red Sox have been spending around the CBT threshold for years. Per Cot’s:

    2021: $207.6M – $2.4M below CBT tax threshold of $210M
    2022: $236.1M – $6.1M over CBT tax threshold of $230M
    2023: $225.7M – $7.3M below CBT tax threshold of $233M
    2024: $224M – $13M below CBT tax threshold of $237M

    Some “fans” and the media in search of clicks will call them cheap no matter what they spend.

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    • LouWhitakerHOF

      4 months ago

      I don’t think fans think the RS are cheap. They just don’t spend it as smart as they did years ago.

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      • all in the suit that you wear

        4 months ago

        Agreed. I’ve been saying for a while that they need to spend better.

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    • chiefivey

      4 months ago

      theyve been cheap.

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      • Gwynning

        4 months ago

        Sure thing, chief!

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    • GASoxFan

      4 months ago

      Suit, just to be fair to the detractors, care to share the actual payroll expense those years, not just the CBT calculation?

      Because I know there’s a large discrepancy some years tens of millions between the two, and, thats where part of the cheapness argument comes in.

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      • all in the suit that you wear

        4 months ago

        GA: Hope you are well. I like working with CBT instead of actual as does MLB. CBT seems more important as it has tax, draft pick and international signing money penalties associated with it. Actual payrolls are probably lower than CBT payrolls for most teams as a lot of contracts have increasing salaries over time. It makes sense for teams to do that because revenue goes up over time.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          Suit – thanks for the well wishes. Hope all is good with you as well.

          I recall our discussions on that subject, it’s just a case where there’s two sides to every coin. I can’t recall if it was last year, or the year before, but we had a little side conversation that basically laid out how much the red sox could spend over the CBT figure, and, have their *actual* expenditure come in below the mark. But it was significant, I want to say 25 or 35 million extra.

          I don’t endorse one standard over the other, I think both sides have their merits. But when the franchise is one of the top 5 revenue producers in baseball, I can understand why some fans find it “cheap” to only pay 170-something million in actual payroll and hide behind saying ‘but our cbt figure is actually 220-something….’

          The money is there, and, when you go through as many seasons as Boston did without paying the tax… well… heck, they don’t even use all their international money anyways, so, just stay low in the penalty, reset every so often, and don’t do it in a comp pick season and I say a blended approach is ok

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          4 months ago

          To me, CBT payroll is the driver and actual payroll is whatever it is. I think MLB invented the CBT payroll calculation (the sum of the average annual values of all contracts) to keep teams from rigging actual payroll to whatever outcome they want. I think CBT payroll prevents the hiding you are talking about. If you front-load or back-load a contract, it doesn’t help your CBT payroll calculation.

          All contracts will be paid. Neither payroll calculation leads to less spending over time. So, which calculation is more important – CBT or actual payroll? I think CBT is more important because of the tax, draft pick and international signing money penalties associated with it.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          A fair position to take. However, I would say none of those things have bearing on the proportion of revenue a team has at its disposal in a given season, and, how much of it that team chooses to spend.

          To make it an abstract discussion for a second, its even more so because when you consider traded for players, the CBT hit may be much higher than the actual salary because of something the prior ballclub expended – which has nothing to do with how much the current club chooses to spend.

          CBT matters. Absolutely. But, it’s not the best gauge for how much of a teams revenue stream is going out the door to improve the team vs lining pockets or non-baseball pursuits.

          That’s where the cheapness folks come in. There was much much more money available to spend, and wasn’t. That said, hopefully this offseason marks a return to more significant spending by the ballclub for many years to come.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          4 months ago

          I think the Red Sox were rebuilding the farm system over the last 5 years. Now they have the no. 1 farm system according to Baseball America and they are spending more. It makes sense to not go over the CBT threshold while rebuilding the farm system so you avoid the draft pick and international signing money penalties. It also makes sense to not sign older free agents to long contracts while rebuilding the farm system as they could block the prospects in the farm system when the rebuild is done.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          But see, there’s the difference. There were meaningful free agents most seasons that could’ve been signed and flipped at the deadline, turbocharging the rebuild.

          Also, draft pick penalties don’t kick in until you’re more than $40m above the threshold. Below that you’re talking strictly financial surcharge penalties, which can be accounted for.

          The losses of intl bonus money come from QO rejecting FAs.

          mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-…

          Fans deserved a watchable product, and, there were shorter term moves avoided by the prior regime – for example, Bogey was willing to forego the opt out for an extension comparable to what story had gotten – that would’ve stabilized the team, gave us something better to watch, and not hamstrung the club with huge numbers of years on a declining player.

          We did talk about the tank-without-tanking effort, as you call a soft-tank, to improve draft position. The irony of it all is, the *one* season they blew past the cbt, just barely, and on non-impact additions, was the year it cost them QO comp pick position. That said, the selections that were made turned out ok…. a bit of luck, which you’re never guaranteed.

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        • GASoxFan

          4 months ago

          Meanwhile since I’m stuck with insomnia tonight to go with my brain fog… Suit, don’t suppose you’re semi-local to the BOS/WOR markets are you?

          Wouldn’t mind making an excuse to grab a drink, or even catch a game at Polar or Fenway on an oncology trip.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          4 months ago

          GA: No, I’m not near Boston at all. If I get over that way, let’s see if we can set something up.

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    • JoeBrady

      4 months ago

      all in the suit that you wear
      The Red Sox have been spending around the CBT threshold for years
      ================================
      Most RS whiners don’t deal well with facts and figures.

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  4. ClevelandSteelEngines

    4 months ago

    Kennedy is telegraphing they will trade for salary at the deadline because there’s confidence the team will be in the race, at least this is because he successfully managed to land the player he was lobbying to acquire all winter.

    I think it is a bit foolhardy to jump to this conclusion; however, Cora, who was also lobbying for Bregman, might actually manage the ball club satisfactorily to fans, now that he believes it isn’t hopeless.

    I personally find this attitude to be annoying because it implies he was coasting. I also find it foolish to count your chickens before they hatch. Kennedy has been selling us on high expectations for years and I don’t see a reason to listen even if there is a wolf.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      4 months ago

      Cleveland – Well said!!

      The key for this season will be second half performance. The team has collapsed from contention in each of the past 3 seasons, even with the expanded playoff format.

      While I don’t think it’s 100% Cora’s fault because each year he was promised meaningful deadline acquisitions and each year it never happened, he does have to prove he can manage to win in the second half of a season. He hasn’t done so since 2018 and that was an extremely loaded team.

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    • SportsFan0000

      4 months ago

      Boston’s business plan has been to contend, then tank for 3-5 years then contend then tank rinse, repeat.

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      • ClevelandSteelEngines

        4 months ago

        It’s been three seasons without the pedal to the floor. This isn’t a rinse and repeat. Since the Henry era began, only ’12 and ’20 prior to the last three years was there this situation or recalibrating.

        ’12 was because they spiked Crawford and Terry left. ’20 because Sale TJS and Betts was traded after Dombrowski tied up all the money in injury prone pitchers.

        It could be argued ’22 wasn’t intentional as Story flopped and Sale flubbed ruining the whole season. At that point the front office pivoted away.

        ’23 Story flopped again and Sale hadn’t got his form. And the team again focused elsewhere at the trade deadline.

        This past season, new management sends Sale away, huge mistake as he finally found his ace form. Which was a huge mistake because they were missing pitching since Giolito goes down immediately. Story also flubs for third straight season. Team was decent into All-star break, then broke down from injuries

        The team hasn’t tanked. And definitely not in a cycle. They’ve tied themselves up and experienced terrible luck which led them to pull back on these seasons.

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  5. bcjd

    4 months ago

    I think it’s a bad look for the Sox — or any team, for that matter — to boast a their business practices. They should encourage fans to be excited about the game by talking about the game, the people, the ideas and conversations and stories. Fans will talk about the budgets, but executives don’t help themselves or anyone by chiming in.

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  6. GASoxFan

    4 months ago

    I think they hang up on you to be honest.

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  7. LordD99

    4 months ago

    How nice. The third highest-revenue generating team in MLB spends money.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      4 months ago

      Lord – Actually they dropped to 4th-highest in 2023 and likely dropped even further last year …. hence the reason for their spending this offseason ;O)

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  8. ClevelandSteelEngines

    4 months ago

    It’s not hateful. If the Sox need a Cesarean from Devers, it’s not a bad idea if it opens a space for Anthony. I assume Tatis back to infield? Would be a shame about Duran, I find him enjoyable and could improve.

    However, I’d rather our new Cuckoos Bird Bregman be moved instead.

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    • acell10

      4 months ago

      add King to the deal and I think that works for both sides.

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    • letitbelowenstein

      4 months ago

      Nobody will want Devers’ contract and now you have his me-me-me attitude to deal with. Good luck with any deal.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        4 months ago

        let – There’s plenty of reason to believe he can be moved.

        .992 OPS at the start of last August and a .962 OPS on August 19th when the shoulder pain got to be too much.

        Plenty of teams would love to have a hitter like that.

        And did the Jays immediately condemn Vlad to DH after he bombed at 3B? Nope, they moved him to 1B.

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      • letitbelowenstein

        4 months ago

        Fever, I can’t picture Devers at 1B, either. The guy is a lousy fielder. It goes beyond his Juan Beniquez-style of throwing the ball over Casas’ head. He stinks at grounders, too. Heck, absorb some of his salary and trade him to the A’s for Miller and Langeliers.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        4 months ago

        let – I’m all about giving him a chance at 1B, but I think the odds of him getting traded are better than 50%.

        I don’t see the Red Sox eating a huge chunk of his salary, probably no more than $50M of the remaining $260M or so. But I don’t think it would be necessary either.

        We know Devers and Soto are close friends, maybe Cohen makes the trade?

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      • darkhorses2010

        4 months ago

        Thumbs up (not for the proposed trade but…) for the Juan Beniquez reference.
        Work a Jackie Gutierrez into a post sometime and I become a fan for life.

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      • letitbelowenstein

        4 months ago

        dark, It’s Bob Heise or nothing. I’m putting my foot down.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        4 months ago

        let – Where’s the love for Eddie Jurak?

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      • cdchi

        4 months ago

        A Juan Beniquez reference…. Nice, who’s next. Doug Griffin ??

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  9. whyhayzee

    4 months ago

    There’s a pretty long history of bad contracts since the miracle of 2004. And yet the Red Sox have won 3 championships since then. We can bemoan the Story contract now but it could still turn out ok. Same with Devers. Losing Betts was a huge hit but I think he was leaving anyway, not unlike Papelbon. They recovered from losing Papelbon but that’s easier than recovering from losing a player like Betts. They’re cobbling together a long lineup which is a necessity in today’s game of boutique pitching.

    The biggest indicator of their success is to win 95 games or more. So aiming for 90-95 is not quite enough. That said, it would arrogant foolishness to claim that they were aiming for 95 plus wins.

    I’m on board this year. They were fun to watch last year and they are clearly better this year. So let’s go!

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      4 months ago

      hayzee – I’m optimistic about this season, but things could go south very quickly. We have no confidence in ownership or Cora, and two highly unlikable players were added.

      With at least 5 key players on contract years, there could be plenty of selfishness going around the clubhouse.

      BTW – Why are the Devers bashers okay with Chapman? I’m not talking about the DV, I’m talking about how he quit on the Yankees. Quite a few hypocrites here.

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  10. smkelly1970

    4 months ago

    not sure how it’s “refreshing” that the Sox are spending when other than Bregman, they have mostly spent on reclamation projects (Buehler, Sandoval, etc) or over the hill relievers (Chapman).

    As a fan, I hope the team rebounds and sees the playoffs again and am excited by the youth movement that is to come.
    We’ll see if the signings they made help move the needle or not.

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  11. Bobby smac9

    4 months ago

    They will get under the CBT, bank on it..

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  12. Sean P

    4 months ago

    Just trade Yoshida and pay 80% of his contract. Get under the threshold so going into next year the penalty isn’t as bad when we sign Vlad Jr.

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  13. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    4 months ago

    Railroaded my whole life

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