The Orioles announced that manager Brandon Hyde has been fired. Third base coach Tony Mansolino will become the interim manager, while the coaching staff was further shaken up since Major League field coordinator and catching instructor Tim Cossins was also let go.
“Brandon Hyde is someone I have come to know and deeply admire, not only for his extensive knowledge of baseball, but also for his exceptional leadership as a manager,” Orioles owner David Rubenstein said in the club’s official media statement. “I am sincerely grateful for his significant accomplishments over the past six years, which have greatly benefited both the Orioles and the city of Baltimore. However, as is sometimes the case in baseball, change becomes necessary, and we believe this is one of those moments. The Orioles organization is truly appreciative of everything Brandon has contributed during his tenure, and we wish him nothing but success in whatever path he chooses next in the world of baseball. Brandon is a man of great character, and we thank him for his dedication and wish him all the best in his future endeavors.”
Today’s news would’ve seemed hard to fathom two months ago, when the O’s entered the 2025 season again looking like a strong contender to reach the playoffs for the third year in a row. Unfortunately, Baltimore has been perhaps the biggest disappointment in baseball this year, as the team stumbled out of the blocks to a 15-28 record. Of the four teams with 15 or fewer victories this season, three have already changed managers within the last two weeks, as Hyde’s dismissal comes on the heels of the Pirates firing Derek Shelton and the Rockies firing Bud Black.
Orioles GM Mike Elias acknowledged his own role in the team’s struggles, noting in the press release that “as the head of baseball operations, the poor start to our season is ultimately my responsibility. Part of that responsibility is pursuing difficult changes in order to set a different course for the future. I want to thank Brandon for his hard work, dedication, and passion all these years, and for returning the team to the playoffs and winning an AL East Championship. His many positive contributions to this organization and to Baltimore will remain, and we wish he and his family the best.”
Hyde was initially hired as the Orioles’ skipper during the 2018-19 offseason, soon after Mike Elias was hired as the club’s new general manager. The duo became the faces of the multi-year rebuild project that took the O’s through three dismal losing seasons in 2019-21 before Baltimore made a somewhat surprisingly early return to competitive baseball by posting an 83-79 record in 2022. That winning season was the harbinger for the Orioles’ AL East title and a 101-win campaign in 2023, as Hyde captured AL Manager of the Year honors. That huge season was followed up with 91 wins and a wild card berth in 2024.
Neither of those trips to the postseason, however, resulted in even a single victory, let alone a series win. Even before the O’s were swept away by the Royals in the 2024 Wild Card Series, some cracks were showing in Baltimore’s foundation — the club had only a 33-33 record after the All-Star break, as compared to a 58-38 record in the first half. Still, with so much position player talent in place as the Orioles’ core, the expectation going into the offseason was that Rubenstein (in his first offseason as the club’s owner) would be open to boosting payroll in order to augment the pitching help that the O’s needed as the final pieces of the puzzle.
Instead, the Orioles spent more modestly, and their main pitching additions were one-year investments in Tomoyuki Sugano (who was coming to MLB for the first time after a long career in Japan) and longtime veteran Charlie Morton. While Sugano has performed well, Morton’s disastrous performance cost him his rotation job, adding to a litany of struggles within Baltimore’s rotation. Injuries and under-performance have left the Orioles with a pitching staff that ranks at or near the bottom of the league in most major statistical categories, both in the rotation and in the bullpen.
More troubling results have some on the offensive side, as much about every member of the lineup has taken a step backwards from their 2024 numbers. Losing Jordan Westburg and Colton Cowser to injury hasn’t helped, and Gunnar Henderson also spent time on the IL at the start of the year. But, health woes don’t explain why Adley Rutschman’s production has fallen off a cliff since the middle of 2024, or why Ryan Mountcastle or offseason addition Tyler O’Neill have also posted subpar numbers.
How much of this is directly Hyde’s fault is an open question, of course, as obviously Hyde wasn’t the one who added or didn’t add necessary pieces to the roster. It is also fair to assume that decisions over playing time (i.e. how much or how often the young budding stars were incorporated into the lineup) were made by both Hyde and the front office, rather than just the skipper himself.
Still, several changes were made to Baltimore’s coaching staff after last season, indicating that upper management felt some alterations were necessary, even if Hyde’s job was seemingly safe. And, given both the high expectations and the depths of the Orioles’ brutal start, Rubenstein, Elias and company may have felt that a managerial change needed to be made sooner rather than later, in order to see what the O’s might be able to salvage from the season.
The situation puts some extra pressure on Mansolino as the 42-year-old takes on his first assignment as a manager at the Major League level. Mansolino has several years of managerial experience at multiple levels of Cleveland’s farm system, which led to a temporary job as the big league third base coach in 2020, as the club’s staff was shuffled around due to manager Terry Francona’s medical leave. The 2020 campaign proved to be Mansolino’s last in Cleveland, as he was hired by the Orioles to become the team’s new third base coach.
If Mansolino can get the O’s turned around, he’ll have a great case for himself as the team’s next full-time manager heading into 2026. Perhaps moreso than the questions surrounding the managerial situation is what today’s news means for Elias, who could potentially be on the hot seat himself in the wake of what now may be a sudden end to the Orioles’ competitive window. In some ways, firing the architect of what is still a strong core of talent on paper would be even more surprising than firing Hyde, though it is worth noting that Elias wasn’t hired by Rubenstein himself.
Hyde completes his tenure with a 421-492 record over parts of seven seasons. He’ll leave Baltimore along with Cossins, who USA Today’s Bob Nightengale described as a close friend of the ex-skipper. Cossins has been a member of the Orioles staff for the entirety of Hyde’s tenure, and the two also worked together in the Cubs organization before joining the Orioles in the 2018-19 offseason.
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Long overdue. GM next!
More the latter. Bad offseason plan.
No pitching.
O’s best pitcher is a 35 yr old rookie
No pitching and they lost Santander. O’Niell doesn’t replace Santander. He doesn’t play enough. Westburg has been injured too.
And he’s not John Nolan!🤣
Santander doesn’t replace Santander. he is stinking up in Toronto if you didn’t look, At least O’neil is cheaper with better defense. Additionally if he turns it around after the neck injury and hits 30 hr and opts out, we get a QO pick. .
Santander sucks this year.
No way O’s offer O’Neil a QO.
Comparing last year’s O’s to this year’s O’s, I think they miss Santander’s production from last year. It looks like it’s probably a good move to not sign him, but they did not replace his production.
I think ownership. They didn’t want to pony up to get Burnes. There were some decent arms out there and they really did nothing. Ownership didn’t want to commit and see where they are now.
like who? and you assume they were not in on every pitching option avaialble last offseason. if they can go 190 for burnes they were likely in on others.
Burnes was a weak contract and since he would rather live in Arizona Baltimore would had to significantly beat that contract. There best off season move was not signing Burnes.
They could have signed other pitchers though. Andrew Heaney for 5m?
Atlanta could had brought Morton back for less $ than Baltimore gave him but had zero interest in doing so. Talk about a red flag! Here’s your sign!
Sometimes you can run, but you cannot Hyde…
LordD99 –
Exactly right. When they didn’t add quality to their rotation they were destined to fall, and there’s no reason for such mismanagement or ownership penny pinching when you have that kind of young talent with the position players.
Of course it’s more the latter, but managers get fired, especially bad ones. That’s how baseball works. Like I said, GM next. No one will remember Brandon Hyde in a couple years.
You can’t give any manager that pitching staff and then expect him to compete in that division
popular response but it is also the anemic bats and poor RISP numbers that have doomed the season thusfar. far to easy to just blame the starters. the starters cannot put up negative ERA.
They’re 28 of 30 in starting pitcher ERA (5.60) leading only MIA, COL. While they’re 22/25/25 of 30 in team OPS/AVG/runs, respectively.
Sure, their hitting has been bad, but not as bad as their starting pitching.
Mac – Specifically, they are 6th-worst in OBP and BA, and dead list in almost every RISP category.
Well, just to pile on, they have the 23rd best defense with -6.0 fWAR. So it’s not just the pitchers’ fault.
If managers have nothing to do with how the players play, then why have managers? Sorry, but someone needs to be held accountable when a team that you all thought was a dynasty is literally in the bottom 3 run differential, either the manager takes some blame, or the GM Elias who Os fans seem to think walks on water is accountable.
Pick, but there’s a real problem and they had to do something.
Mule – As a BoSox fan I will refrain from commenting on team defense. LOL!
Big – Yep I’ve been saying that for decades, managers get far too much credit for wins and far too little blame for losses.
So the 7 starters on the IL were to be expected? Well 2 were until midyear.
tigers – Not sure what you mean?
The O’s are 6-6 in divisional games, 9-22 against everyone else.
Division has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I think you missed the main point
tigers – That’s why I’m asking ;O)
It’s not like the AL East is a tough division, 4 of the 5 teams have losing records and no other division has more than 3 losing teams.
So why do you say “that division”?
Fpg do you really think they have pitching to compete? Or are you just being picky on the “division” part..again..no need for you to be a jerk
Don’t you dare say that about FeverPitchGuy!!! He’s the Grand Champion of MLBTR!!!
Fan – Wow it’s been a few months since somebody created a tribute account about me, I’m honored!
Hopefully you can keep it lighthearted and not take it down a dark path like the others.
What are your thoughts on next week’s big 4-game series between the BoSox and O’s, will it be competitive? Will Tyler O’Neill flex his muscles and knock a couple over the Green Monster?
To say nothing of a legend in his own mind!
No problem with FPG, but his “fan” should know that while probably untrue, half the posters probably assume it is FPG’s second account or his Mom. So you are unintentionally making him look silly.
MLB – Every other account created to target me quickly led to them showing their true intentions, insulting me with the new account because I have their original account(s) on mute.
But I’ll always play nice until they fire their first shot, and then ……. ;O)
A reasonable take fit for a reasonable king of MLBTR
I’m not feverpitchguy it would be embarrassing for me to make an account pretending to be a fan of myself haha
You wouldn’t be the first lol
I miss the one that used to post “ode to fever pitch guy” that was hysterical.
*in any division.
Fan – Thank you for getting it, seems like some here don’t.
you cant’ have any pitching staff lose 7 starters and expect to do well. unless your the Rays who grow them on trees.
Tell me why all those pitchers keep getting injured.
Astros are still top notch front office, and they’ve had at least 4-5 proven quality SPs on the IL at any given time for 3 years now
You can only work with what you have and this pathetic excuse for a major league baseball organization gave hyde zero major league pitching. What a sham and what a shame. Zach Effin Eflin ???? A pipeline of young talent and where is the pitching. Some blown arms as I recall but spend some money, I think it’s time. Unless you change owners GM next is to easy my friend.
Not a fan of this firing. You gotta give him the talent across the board to compete with the division.
There’s no excuse for them not signing/trading for at least 2 good SP’s this past offseason. Horrible job by their front office team.
New owner with money. Few commitments moving forward. Prospects to trade. They should have used both avenues to improve the pitching.
Which prospects should they have traded?
Trump- Dealing Kjerstad and Mayo alone could’ve gotten them an ace while holding onto their core..
From there, they could’ve signed at least 1-2 more starters with the money they had available..
Wonder how much better they’d be with Cease or King leading their rotation, and someone like Pivetta as a #3 guy..
Sugano is one and they offered burnes more money than Arizona. It’s not the GMs fault players do not want to play in Baltimore
More money allegedly but not years. Easy choice by Burnes.
and if they had signed Burnes… and he performed in BAL how he has in ARI, then what would the chorus be? incomplete take. bats are no where to be seen as well.
There were other options they could have went after that could have bumped them up to at least league average in the rotation too. Crochet, Fried, Severino, Quintana, Kikuchi, etc., were all available as free agents/trade targets but the O’s ignored them. They were dead set on bringing back Burnes and just gave up entirely when he moved to AZ.
Burnes said that one of the reason he signed with AZ was that he lives in Az and wanted to be with his family.
Big whiffa-They could’ve made moves. For example, Cease for Kjerstad + could’ve been done..as could many other deals.
They have the pieces to move, but are too in love with their kids.
This falls entirely on Elias and ownership.
Any trade SD would have made – it would have been to compete this year. Kjerstad package is no where near a done deal. And I don’t think cease was really ever on the market in the first place
I do agree they are to prospect heavy ! Can’t replace Santander with prospects
I’m a fan of Elias and new ownership. Sometimes it takes a couple years to get going and this seemed like a flat spot
In comparison to Baltimore or Toronto, sure ! But if a major desirable market was offering more than Arizona – he’d be in NY, LA, or Chicago for sure
Kjerstad or Mayo and an upper level prospect or two would’ve absolutely gotten it done, and would’ve freed up money for the Padres to go get pitching. AJ 100% wanted to move Cease, and deals with the Orioles were discussed multiple times in the offseason according to almost every mlb reporter.
Elias sat on his hands though.
The O’s should feel free to take Bryce Elder and Alex Verdugo from Atlanta. They will totally improve the O’s. Atlanta will be happy with some equipment in return. Like with Kerry Ligtenberg back in the 90’s. Point is, please O’s…PLEASE!!!
This was overdue, to be honest. The O’s were a .500 team the last half of last season and have been awful this year. Rubenstein was sitting front row for the game last night, a Friday night home game against the Nationals (so something of a rivalry). The O’s lost that game entirely on effort (Adley not hustling a passed ball; Felix not hustling to first and forgetting about the runner on third). Seems like that was, appropriately, the final straw for Hyde. He was great for a while, but he lost this team.
I agree. The team was no longer responding to hyde. The second half of last season, the team crashed. This year it seemed the whole organization just expected contention to happen. Talent alone doesnt bring results. People blame the pitching, but NO ONE took a step forward as a position player either. The orioles have a long tradition of not being able to develop pitching, which has never been addressed organizationally. Elias failed to see that problem, thinking rodriquez would be the ace and all he did was add depth. I dont think elias needs to be fired, but he has to demonstrate a change in his stategies to build the roster.
The lineup juggling and poor bullpen management had to stop!
Maybe it is not Hyde’s fault but it is also not like his leadership has prevented disaster from taking place.
Same. I mean someone has to be the scapegoat.
Cmon. You can’t fire the entire team so somebody had to go. I never liked his style of managing with all the platooning. Nobody was ever go8ng to get any confidence after being benched despite a good game. No meritocracy at all. Let him manage on his Playstation because he sure didn’t motivate people
A lot of that came down from the Front Office. Back when Hyde was hired, Elias made a point that Hyde was a forward thinking candidate that would use the data provided to him from upstairs.
Hyde was always an extension of Elias. Elias would do well to adapt to that failure and hire someone that can do the job without the GM holding his hand. And the the GM needs to let his manager manage. Would love a Buck reunion, or a Cal hiring, but neither will take a job that involves meddling with game decisions from upstairs.
I don’t think this is an appropriate firing, but I trust O’s fans know him more intimately than I do.
From my perspective, it seems they hired him to field a tanking team for several years, which he did without complaint, before actual talent was ready. It’s a young team and the O’s new owner chose to complain about prices rather than acquire talent for his manager to supplement the talent in a division ready for the taking.
you may not have watched games. a lot of the team direction baserunning and managerial pitching decisions have been very questionable.
defensive laps have been comical which goes back to the coaching staff.
Paosfan: Yeah, that part makes sense. I totally agree with team lack of focus being on the manager.
I do watch a lot of their games, which is why I would have fired Hyde last off-season. He lost the team. They haven’t hit for him in nearly a year, and, what’s worse, is how they look when they are losing close games. You want to see the guys fired up, hustling and fighting for those runs. These guys look dejected and defeated. Heads down and moping around. That’s on Hyde.
As for his bullpen management, unfortunately, a lot of that comes down from Elias. They have charts for all kinds of scenarios and matchups. Hyde follows the script. None of that is him making a gut call. He’s doing what his bosses numbers told him was the smart thing to do. Elias’ scapegoat was also his lemming.
I’m not opposed to them keeping Elias, but the next manager needs to be independent of him and have some fire. I’d love a Buck reunion, or putting Cal in the dugout. Joe Girardi is a guy I’d look at, too. But none of those guys will take the job if they are going to be force fed how the front office expects a game to be managed.
It may just be time to let Elias go rebuild someone else. I’m not sure he can adapt. He’s smart, and, unfortunately, he knows it.
Bring back Buck!
Bring back Buck!
Bring back Buck!
Hire Bud!
Then Black is the new Orange!
🤢🤮 Vanilla. 500, forget it. Most overrated manager in MLB history!
.500 mainly because he was at the helm at the start of their rebuild in ‘18, and lost 115 games with almost zero major league talent. Buck’s at worst a solid manager.
2018 was a talent loaded, veteran team with a future HOF! Moe, Larry or Curly would not have lost 115 games with that team!
Hey it’s cooperhill crying again. You trying to win an award there buddy?
Go buy another title. Roberts is too stupid to do it on his own!
cooperhill, well the Dodgers are a lot more relevant than whatever team you support, so hey yeah I hope the team does buy another title! They still count! 😉
Buck and Bud!
Buck is a clown
🤡, like the man in the Whitehouse!
Is that you Irish Rosie? Weren’t you in A League of Their Own? If not , you should have been.
cooperhill, that’s the boosters talking. He’s your president. Just let it go.
cooperhill seems to have a hard time of letting anything go really. Just a miserable troll account
Pitching was an area of need, but the offense has been the problem. Probably a lost season for the Orioles, but this likely needed to happen. Regardless of how good a manager you are, if your team doesn’t perform, that’s on you as the manager.
The.manager is often the scapegoat. No manager can win without talent. And this team doesn’t have the pitching to win
Firing the manager is what the head of baseball opps does to show action to delay his firing.
The offense hasnt worked either and that was hyde.
Easier to fire a manager than fire 26 players.
So all the injuries and Adley forgetting how to hit and not addressing the rotation was Hyde’s fault? Cool.
The team went into a tailspin because the FO systemically got rid of the veteran team leaders that could have kept things in order.
Brandon Hyde is a sensational manager and will get hired by a quality organization to manage within the next 2 years.
In a way this reminds me of Mike Schildt’s firing.
Schildt was winning games. Clearly some bizarre disconnect with the Mozeliak led front office. Lucky him.
Schildt has never had a losing season (knock on wood). Way different circumstance in that Hyde was there through the rebuild and has a .461 career winning percentage, with a team currently way under .500. Schildt took STL to playoffs all three years he was the manager for the full season and still got canned the offseason after winning 90 games and wining at a .559 clip in STL. Hyde’s is for performance, Schildt was let go for some other reason.
At what point did Elias forget some of what he had learned from Luhnow? Not entirely fair question though, as Luhnow was never fully invested in the starting pitching aspect, and had to be pushed by Crane on the Verlander & Grienke deals, and maybe on the Cole deal. On the other hand, Luhnow did load us up with those inexpensive older latin prospects – Valdez, Javier, Luis Garcia, and Urquedy. Does Elias have any of that coming up through the system? Losing Bradish & Rodriguez were the devastating blows here, I think.
Who can’t manage a pitching staff or a lineup 🤔.
Teh one that won 101 games less than 2 years ago?
Finally!!!! Now fire Elias too!!!
That’s crazy ! When did Baltimore last have a winning season prior to him ?
2016 a year or two before they hired him
Right? Elias brought them back to the playoffs.
Then completely and utterly failed to build on that.
That’s bc that team WAAAAY overachieved! Buck got em to the playoffs !
It is way too late and way too little, but the longest journey starts with a single step.
The worst, the very worst part of this is that over at pinstripe alley everyone is laughing
MLB firing managers like football/soccer clubs at the moment
Yeah, they used to be rather conservative in terms of managerial changes in the age of sabermetrics. I am wondering if this is the start of a trend where managers have shorter leashes. Three managers canned before Memorial Day is unheard of in recent years.
You can’t really say Hyde or Black were cheated out of time to make things work. No doubt their rosters had issues coming into 2025 but they weren’t on a first contract trying to pull it all together.. Hyde was in his 7th season and Black was in his 9th with the Rockies. They had plenty of leash to work with.
Dolt.
About f’ing time!
All of the failures start with Elias. Firing Hyde isn’t going to make the defense, pitching or hitting better. Getting Elias and his analytical nonsense TF out of here is the improvement that’s required.
Elias had a terrible offseason but to think we’d be better off firing him after this is crazy thinking to me.
There’s no GM sitting on his couch that is coming in tomorrow and improving this. (Unless Jeff Luhnow decides he wants to return to the MLB)
If we’re collecting prospects for our rentals then Elias is certainly the best guy for that job. They can decide what they’d like to do in the offseason if this gets no better but you don’t can him now.
He’s the worst GM in the league.
That’s an extremely stupid statement.
Extremely extremely stupid.
Rubenstein built his multi-billion dollar fortune based on data and analytics with his private equity firm. Your hate should be redirected to why he didn’t spend money on pitching.
@Yank
We don’t have any hate left over after our hatred for the Yankees. but thanks for your suggestion. all the worst, signed, Baltimore Fans.
You say this as if you have absolute direct knowledge that Rubenstein said “don’t pay big money for a starting pitcher.”
Should have been done in October, but that’s one step of many needed to fix this mess.
Hyde is a good man, but it was time. It wasn’t just under performance, it was a lack of effort and structure. When you’re down 5-0 in the first, of course these young kids are going to press.
Good Riddance
Thank you for saying he was fired instead of “relieved of his duties.” The world has gotten too soft with words.
I couldn’t believe the other day when I saw a linebacker is now called an edge rusher. People’s ears can handle hard consonants and harsh words.
wth are you talking about
I’ve said it over and over. Crochet was out there and the O’s sat on their hands. Of course, I’m not privy to what offers the O’s made or did not make, but you gotta think they could have got it done with Mayo plus, and now he, Mayo, looks lost.
Yeah, but a lot of people were whining that Crochet was not going to good and that anything to get him would be an overpay… I gets its only the beginning of the season, but it seems most of those people have quietly left the building (or now have selective amnesia, at least until he has a rough patch of games).
I was not one of them. I was a big advocate for a Crochet match until he was traded. It just made too much sense.
i still stand by it .. what they wanted from the orioles and seemed pretty stuck on was not worth it especially when you consider you are pretty much forced to do an extension at that point.
@flyby: What prospects of Balt do you believe WSox wanted for 2yrs of dirt cheap control on Crochet that was “too much”?
Second with bias aside what do you think was a fair ask in light of them ultimately getting Teel that is developing well at the most important D position in baseball, dynamic Braden Montgomery and Meidroth/likely BP type arm Gonzalez?
I think the take comes from someone perhaps hung up on “rankings.” If the Sox were asking for Mayo, a top 10ish prospect at the time, and/or Kjerstad, a top 30ish guy at the time, and took Teel, a 50ish guy and Montgomery, a guy outside most 100s… to someone hung up on rankings that’s probably looking like an overpay request. Fast forward a few months and it seems the Sox made the correct call. Idk. Rankings are fun for fans, but it’s not like front offices call fangraphs or Baseball America asking who they should trade for.
I love it:
Fail to address your pitching needs in free agency, fail to retain your ace, fail to trade your surplus of young position players for pitching, fail to extend your cornerstone SS and C, fail to spend any God damn money at all to complement an emerging young offense, blame the manager for a bad record. Rinse and repeat
Pirates, Os, Rockies it’s a joke and even though there is a massive disparity problem you can’t blame ALL your problems on not having LA/NY money.
You also cant really blame the coach for all those issues as those are the responsibility of the gm and owners.
Something tells me you cant win a nascar race on a 10 speed from walmart. You might get one where all the cars crash and then win since probably easier to avoid but how often does that happen.
Pirates were a perfect trading partner as they have opposite depth. All the Pirates needed were a couple bats. Instead, they did the usual and signed two guys who are a step away from coaching careers
Can’t speak for the O’s but the incompetence and owner greed aren’t themes reserved for Pittsburgh, it seems
Where is this emerging young offense? What has adley done to warrant an extension? Henderson maybe. The fans wanted the orioles to be a win now team, but they wetent ready and didnt appraoch the off season as a win now.
The team has looked sloppy, unfocused, and unmotivated for a long time now.
That falls on the manager, not the GM.
King: I agree with you that sloppy team play falls on the Manager, which is why Boone should’ve been fired a long time ago.
I agree, Boone must have some REALLY juicy dirt on Cashman and/or Hal lol.
The team spent 73 million in 2025 salaries over the offseason on 8 players who have combined to produce negative WAR.
Thats falls on the GM as well as the manager.
KoC- I don’t feel like typing out the same stuff over and over again, so I’ll just copy/paste from a previous comment I made here:
Losing because you just flat out suck is one thing, but losing game after game because the team is consistently sloppy and unfocused is quite another, and that is what Hyde’s management was producing night in and night out. Whatever his message/method was, it was clearly not working anymore, and a new voice was needed.
The issue isn’t just the manager. The manager was great the last couple years when the Orioles were one of the best teams in baseball.
The issue isn’t money because thet spent a lot last offseason.
The issue is how the spent it. They spent money poorly and that’s on the GM. And the lack of a big trade also on the GM. I told you all offseason a trade for Crochet was the answer. And I was right you were wrong.
Hyde wasn’t just fired because the team was losing, he was fired because of *HOW* the team was losing.
Go watch the clownshow 9th inning from last night’s game and tell me that looks like a focused, fundamentally sound baseball team. Bautista forgetting to cover the bag in time and then also forgetting there was a runner on and allowing the go ahead run to score while he just stood there with the ball. Mullins taking back to back fastballs right down the middle to strike out looking with the tying run on base.
And there have been a plethora of losses this year that were similarly circus-like.
King, correct on those factors. Terrible trade for Rogers, lack of trade for Cease or Crochet, and inability to transition these incredible prospects into good major league hitters is on the organization and Elias to some extent. They have had a ton of pitching injuries, but anyone who looked at this team and thought they ahd enough pitching depth was looking through orange glasses.
What a rambling mess of a comment
Yes it is his fault a billionaire owner decided to go cheap and not sign any pitchers or improve team and the prospect obsessed GM again failed to understand prospects are useful in ways other than in getting mlb.com to give your farm system a high ranking.
The owner gave Elias permission to spend, he just refused to do so!
That’s ridiculous. Burnes signed for less money than Baltimore offered and they signed a slew of pitchers to one year deals.
They have also traded away prospects to acquire talent in the past so their needs to be some sort of middle ground
Orioles biggest problem is player development. Holiday and Grayson were projected to be stars. Second they did not replace Santander. Once you are no longer going to outscore every one, the writing is on the wall
Burnes signed for more money in AZ. Higher salary per year does not equate to more money in total.
They replaced Santander with O’Neil who is a comparable player.
I agree Elias is a good GM. They would still be bottom dwellers without him with no hope of escaping.
Some pitching would have been nice. Even signing a bunch of guys like Heaney or Quintana would have been a smart move.
Wonder if Gonsolin or May will be available from the Dodgers come mid year? By that time the O’s may be completely toasted though.
I get the feeling Rubinstein has yet to really impact the team in any meaningful way. He’s probably watching how the business he bought is functioning, before stepping in and throwing his weight around as to how he thinks it can improve. Seems like the business man approach, anyway. Not that I’d know. I’m to rash and impulsive to build a billion dollar empire lol
The guy shows he can get a team which is a 2nd class org in terms of spending to be a threat in the A.L. East and they ‘@#$%can’ him?
Wow. I have a feeling when a good org gets this guy will reap the benefits from a reactionary firing.
Not a surprise. His bullpen management has been horrible.
What you kids don’t understand is this…….
In today’s MLB what to do with the bullpen is all worked out before the game. The manager is meeting with coaches, the catchers; along with FO analytic people and analysts. No different than a football team strategizing for that days game. They look at who in their bullpen is rested and how many pitches they can make that day. They discuss who they may need for the next days game. Who the opposition batters are – including pinch hitters – and how those in the bullpen match up with them.
In short, in todays MLB strategizing is a collective effort of multiple people. The manager is actually limited in his choices.
Mr. Hyde won 101 games less than 2 years ago. He didn’t suddenly get dumb. The FO gave the SS job to Henderson starting in 2024 when Mateo at SS was a major reason the teams did so well in 2023. They wanted to play the youngsters and forced the veterans to the bench or off the team. I wrote here in June or some of 2024 that even though the O’s took a series from the Rangers, they weren’t playing right. It was obvious….and around that time they traded Austin Hays – a team leader and all-around player. Got childish responses back stating things like “In my mind when a team takes a series from another they’re a good team”. From that point on the O’s went from having one of the 3 top records in MLB to playing .500 ball for the rest of 2024. In the offseason more veterans were let go, and this year when they started to fall apart there was little veteran leadership left to right the ship and turn the tide.
Baseball is played on a field between human beings. It is not rotisserie league or computer baseball. Mr. Hyde has little to do with this mess. The strategizing of the 2025 season by the FO as they’re supposedly coming out of a 6-7 year rebuild has been pathetic.
Wow, didn’t think this would happen. There’s your reward for managing tanking teams! Now F-off!
Im all for firing a manager if its his time to go. But the team was not put together as a winner.
This team was constructed to be 500 at best but draw the people in and go home. That’s it
Without pitching injuries and an underperforming offense which should be top ten in the league they were looking like a 90 win team. Yankees, Orioles and Red Sox were looking like the 3 top teams in the division.
O’s are just the 2022 White Sox. Prospects all over hyped.
No pitching.
GM is horrible. Should’ve traded excess for pitching.
2022 White Sox had a fine starting rotation, that team was a hit or a miss offense.
You might have a point if the performance of those prospects was the main issue this year, but since it’s not, you don’t.
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In both cases bringing in and developing fundamentally strong players was lacking.
Flash on highlight reels doesn’t show what’s happening in the game that led up to those points.
As for hitting on things like the pitching and Ashley: The pitching was getting better in 2023, then they reassigned the pitching coach and brought in the current guy that’s awful. As for Ashley: He was a better all-around catcher when he first came up. Brendon Hyde doesn’t coach pitching or catching. The FO brought in those people, and they’re terrible. They don’t just hurt the teams performance, they ruin players careers……which is why quality FA’s have been staying away from the O’s. Players and their agents are not dumb.
Not his fault that they didn’t resign their ace and their top prospect has been mediocre at best.
Had they not been too cheap to buy him some good starting pitching, he’d still have a job.
Had to be done, the real problem is in the front office though. Anybody would have failed as manager after Elias’ horrible offseason.
Is it the manager’s job or the GM’s job to keep the team focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball from day to day?
If the team didn’t look sloppy and unfocused every single night and was still losing, Hyde probably doesn’t get the axe (at least not yet anyway), but they have looked like a bunch of drunk little leaguers for awhile now.
Agreed. Blame goes all the way around. He was put in a bad position by Elias, but didn’t do anything to warrant any security.
Yeah, it wasn’t entirely Hyde’s fault, mistakes were clearly made by the FO over the winter, but you simply cannot ignore amateurish clownshows like last night’s game forever.
At some point, there have to be real consequences for the team looking like a bunch of unfocused, undisciplined goofballs night after night.
Actually it didn’t but okay
Oh damn…
The GM should have been the first to go – especially after last year’s disastrous trade with Miami (Stowers & Nordby for Mr Rodgers). His big pickup after losing Burnes? Soft-tossing Sugano & ol’ man Morton. Hyde could sue Elias for non-support!
Unfortunate but had to happen. Elias owns the pitching mess and it’s inexcusable that they didn’t get a TOR arm by trade or free agency. The pen is also a problem he should have addressed. But the collapse of the offense dating back to the second half of last season is on the coaching staff and a move needed to be made.
Ownership is who I look to for blame, they had a golden setup, young cost controlled crew, farm system thriving, and starting to develop veteran talent from the core, but they needed two pitchers at least one high end and one medium end. I think max fried going to the Yankees was the worst part of the offseason for them, he should be in Baltimore along with a burns or a Gallen or even Flarehty or… Something!
Maybe they change course and sign King and or cease this off-season and prove me wrong.
They should be using their cheap core to allow for big pitching investments or prospects for pitching rentals like crochet. I thought a new owner would mean new direction but the lack of go-for-it signings looks like the whole ownership/front office screwed the pooch this year. But there’s still time, it’s 162 games in a season for a reason.
Flaherty, Heaney, and Sugano signings along with 2 decent bullpen arms would have drastically changed this team’s outlook without breaking the bank. They got 1 out of 5.
Orioles fans were saying Hyde was going to be canned and lo and behold. Their offseason was not great and it’s showing now…
It’s about time. Hitting coach and pitching coach next. Time to clean house and bring in new coaching blood!
Might be better to wait for the off-season then do a complete revamp.
Can’t really blame him when the new owner is being cheap and their GM didn’t take any risks in the off-season.
Cheap?
Rubenstein doubled the payroll in less than a year of ownership.
Don’t you know that every team that did not sign top 5 most expensive free agents per season is cheap? It does not matter what the payroll is. 😉
Should have outbid the Yanks for Fried.
Yes.
For the Orioles, I think this is a step in the right direction. To really fix things they should boot the coaches and GM next. Doing almost nothing in the off season is questionable.
What does each team that fired their manager have in common? Rockies, O’s, and Pirates…
Each are organizations that are poorly managed and have been for a long time …and their manager on the field truly had very little to do with the results on the field. Each organization refused to add any notable talent or speed any more to complement the young talent they have on the field. That’s particularly true for the Pirates and O’s. The Rockies are truly the worse run organization in all of baseball… they are cheap, when they spend money they miss horribly, and their drafts and farm have produce very little true major league talent. And the little that they have, are wasting away and getting worse because they play with bad talent around them. What happened to all those pitchers in the pitchers only drafts a few years ago? None of those guys are doing anything? I mean, it’s sad. I wish baseball had a way to punish the owners of these teams and hold them accountable to the fans that desperately want them to produce a quality product on the field. Rockies fans would be thrilled if they could even put up a competitive team at the moment… just something that gave them hope that they could be in the game and possibly win. They could care less about playoffs right now.. they just want something that gives them any shred of hope
Your comments about the Rocks resonates where the Pirates are concerned. Good pitching that’s often wasted is the only difference. Ultra weak hitting with apparently no front office desire to change anything, and no cavalry coming over the hill where the farm is concerned
Great post, Braves. I wish all the comments were this thoughtful.
Another manager paying the price for front office bad decisions
The target on Elias just got 10 times bigger. Everybody knows why this team fell short and it can all be traced back to an incredibly weak offseason when it was the time to seize the opportunity the core of this Oriole roster presented. Throwing contracts at Morton, Sanchez and O’Neill would not have been terrible if they weren’t the top 3 acquisitions. If Morton was brought in to be a 4th/5th starter and O’Neill was the second new outfielder behind a top-tier signing Elias wouldn’t be in trouble, but now he most certainly is.
Elias needs to realize the cost of pitching peaks every July. That’s why you load up in the winter
See Stearns, David.
Rough to see. You’d think that if a manager is patient to take all the Ls during a rough rebuild, the team would also be patient with the manager.. especially when the current season is primarily a result of the team deciding to be cheap when acquiring starting pitching.
I’M HEARING HENDERSON IS ON THE BLOCK.TIGERS OFFERING:
4 of their top 10 prospects
If Jackson Jobe and 3 respectable players, yes, we accept. Could be a win win.
In the off-season owner David Rubenstein told Mike Elias the check book was open to sign burnes back but Elias didn’t want to give him the yrs he wanted on the deal. Then Elias goes and signs bums like Tyler O’Neal for 3yrs 49.5 million with a opt out in yr one and he think he’ll opt out heck no then we sign the old geezer Charlie Morton who can’t even go 5 innings without giving up 90 runs the signs a sorry backup catcher Gary Sanchez who’s sitting on the injuried reserve oh wait also I forgot that’s where Tyler oh I’m always hurt O’Neil is too again. Only thing that Elias did good was the Sugano signing and watch if Elias is still here he won’t offer him a good enough contract to stay. Now it’s time for Elias to be next and thank God Tony Massalino isn’t the 3rd base coach but what I don’t understand is why didn’t they make chirinos the intern coach if he’s the assistant coach.
do o’s rly believe by firing hyde + replacing him with the 3rd base coach is going to magically turn the tm into WS contenders?
Who said that
No, but there is something to be said about getting a new voice in the room. If they still think the can compete, guys like Buck, Girardi, and Mattingly are out there. If not, let the interim guy have the team for the year. Sell off some parts. Start over in the off-season.
One of the flaws of a six-year hibernation. It’s never a guarantee of long-term success. 2 exhilarating seasons each ending in hurried playoff exits. Is that worth 115 losses 3 years in a row?
Better hope the O’s are hitting a speed bump, rather than whitesoxxing it.
I feel like getting swept in the playoffs the past two years is a big factor here. Hyde never even won a playoff game and now it looks like they’re going to have to start over/retool. If they had been able to capitalize a little more in 23 or 24 he probably would have been given a longer leash.
You can question Mike Elias’ offseason moves until the cows come home, but it’s not his fault that the team looked sloppy and unmotivated for the last month plus.
It’s the manager’s job to keep guys focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball, and Brandon Hyde was failing at that night in and night out.
This.
Should’ve been canned at end of 2024, his bad decisions cost them the division.
At the end of the year, Davey Martinez of the Nats will become the new manager, as he is the ‘’manager for rebuilding teams’. He will move on from the Nats and their one-year-at-a-time extensions. They might can him anyway.
A lot of things happening with Baltimore are happening with Astros. We do not have a true GM. Our manager does not have the team. We got rid of Bregman and Tucker and they are thriving elsewhere. The people we got in Tucker trade the pitcher is hurt, Cam has not shown a lot in the big leagues consistently enough. Paredes has been ok. Even getting Walker has not been great. Our hitting coaches have been horrid. Been with us for a good few years. Our best GM has been Luhnow over last decade. Click was ok but our ownership is Quack Crane and Bagwell. Yes Paredes and Walker were good with former teams but here are not. Our starting pitching is in trouble. Only Framber who could be gone after this season. Brown has been good and Blanco getting it back together at moment. McCullers is back but has been going like he is in rehab. Arrighetti is hurt as well. But ownership for us has left the building. Have not done things right in some time. Astros are pathetic to watch these days. Granted bats were hot late last night. But we need better now. If had better ownership or such Espada would be gone and our hitting coaches too.
The Mets were widely criticized for accumulating a staff full back of the rotation guys. MIKE FREAKING ELIAS, hellooooooo!!!! Take notes Bro!
i get why they made this move, but i mean this pitching staff sucks. They seemingly did the rebuild based on the old saying that you grow hitters and buy pitchers, but that only works if you actually buy the pitchers.
Woopsie! Forgot step 2!
What’s the record for managers being fired in first two months of the season? I would think this year’s total of three is at least close.
Seemed similar to Shelton in Pittsburgh in one respect: nobody blamed either manager exclusively, but most agree that the managerial message had gotten very stale and that they were mostly just sitting there saying and doing the same old things instead of trying something, anything to change things around.
Oh wow, an intelligent post. How refreshing.
It’s obviously not Hyde’s fault entirely, he clearly doesn’t get the blame for some of Mike Elias’ offseason moves not working out in spectacular fashion (i.e. Morton), but it is 100% his job to keep the team focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball, and he had been failing miserably at that for quite awhile.
Losing because you just flat out suck is one thing, but losing game after game because the team is consistently sloppy and unfocused is quite another, and that is what Hyde’s management was producing night in and night out. Whatever his message/method was, it was clearly not working anymore, and a new voice was needed.
You failed to teach the pitching staff
The Football Slider! You’re Fired!
Hey Rogers look at this !! Time to FIRE the Lousy GM shapiro and his lackie atkins in Toronto !!
They need to Go !!
That’ll go over well, sacking the top brass in Toronto when all eyes in Canada are on the Maple Leafs hopefully knocking Florida out of the Stanley Cup tournament.
Hyde and Cossins are friends from Santa Rosa, CA, so no surprise there.
Not surprising. Hyde was never really the guy to guide them out of the rebuild when they were ready to compete and I’m surprised they kept him this long
Seriously? He DID lead them out of the rebuild. His teams the last 2-3 years have been really good. This years result is more on the new owner and the FO for failing to put a better team on the field.
@Mike Elias: It should be, “and we wish HIM and his family the best,” not “he and his family.
Object pronouns should be used to replace nouns in object positions in sentences. This is a simple and basic point, not some abstruse obsession of the “grammar police.”
Thank you. The objective case seems to have disappeared from the English language.
Youse may be onto something.
Is Matt Jeckell in to coaching? If the Os want to move 180 degrees in a new direction he should be their man.
Elias is far more to blame, as well as the new owner. They made no effort to replace Burnes. Unless you consider Charlie Morton and Sugano. In a tough division you need pitching, good pitching, not just warm bodies like Morton. Hyde did not deserve this imo. They lost offense (Santander) and pitching (Burnes) and replaced them with dent and scratch sale level talent. And the FO and ownership is surprised their dumpster diving approach has failed? Give me a break.
It’s the manager’s job to keep his players focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball, and this team has been neither of those things for a long time now.
If they didn’t look so sloppy and unfocused while losing night after night, Hyde probably still has job right now.
There’s a difference between losing, and living with dignity. This team doesn’t doesn’t lose with dignity.
Problem solved!!! From now on watch every pitcher throwing 8 shutout innings.
Lets see if “the executive of the year” takes any accountability for the team being lousey. Ellias is the worst GM in the game
He already did though.
The General Managers gotta manage better, the players have to play better, and the owners have to own better.
Really unfortunate. Guy wasn’t given the resources needed to keep up the competitive window. O’s blew their window, much like the Jays did. If they’re smart, they’d start selling off players in July to get a great haul to rebuild but they won’t.
Why would they need to rebuild when their two biggest issues this year have been injuries and underperforming veterans?
@King Floch
Because they’re a poorly constructed rebuild. I said the same for the Jays years ago and here we are, doubling down on Vlad Jr. and continuing to fail forwards. O’s are running the same failed rebuild.
What a silly, ridiculous take. There is literally no reason to rebuild right now. It would be like getting rid of a sports car just because it has a flat tire.
The young core produced by the rebuild hasn’t been the main culprit behind the Orioles’ stuggles this year, it’s been a deluge of injuries and underperforming veterans that aren’t part of the long-term core.
@King Floch
You are sounding like the Jays fans a few years ago. Hilarious!
Wow, you sure trolled me!
You’re still objectively wrong though.
Always been a fan of “buy the arms and build the bats.” Of course, one does need to actually buy the arms to make that work….
Roguesaw- True, and I fully expect that Rubenstein will sternly remind Elias that he has a much wider open checkbook with which to sign quality pitching this offseason than he did under Angelos, and perhaps also remind him that if he doesn’t take advantage of that, he can always find someone else who will.
Really seemed like there was some discord there. The hubris of Elias to refuse the blank check because he was smarter and could build a better way. :shrugs: I like what Elias has done, but in a what have you done for me lately business: adapt or be fired. Right, Hyde?
A ton of non-DEIs just don’t pan out.
This was inevitable.
WHEN will Red Sox brass follow? Cora needs to go!
No he doesn’t. Keep him there. Forever. Please 🙏
See the Theo Epstein approach only works if you pay for proven pitching
Draft hitters
Pay for proven pitchers
Not draft hitters
And throw crap at the walk hoping something sticks for pitching
It was a simple off season
Resign Burnes
Trade for Crochet or Cease or King or some ace
You’d have Crochet, Burnes, Sugano which would definitely be a god send compared to what’s happening now
Pirates and Orioles perfect trade partners since start of season! No deals by GM’S seems pretty stupid, now managers are gone!? Really? No excuse!!
This was the right move. Complicated by the idea that the front office has done poorly and how could he win with this roster and injuries. Maybe he couldn’t win with this hand but think the problem is he maybe cant win with a good hand either. I have not been impressed, good times and bad and have been waiting for this. The front office failed and the manager failed. Neither gets a pass for the other’s failings.
Agree with the comments that this has been a terrible organization at developing pitching for a very long time. I’ll add retaining. Maybe call it the Mussina curse. I mean Steve Stone Mike Flanagan Scott McGregor Mike Boddicker, they were fine back then, 40 years ago. I remember thinking with Matusz Britton Arrieta, okay we finally got it. Our top tier 1 2 3 But no, it just just did not work. Not one worked as an SP. Arrieta goes to Chicago, brilliant. Guthrie and his 12 wins the best we could hope for for years. You have to own it and overcompensate. The Texas Rangers did. Historically tough to have a nice 1 to 5 for them so in the offseason add 4 SPs. Win a championship. Overdo it not underdo it.
I do feel Elias should be let go today. Mostly cause this draft needs to be about correcting on the front office pitching fails and overcompensating. Elias just seems to hate using any sort of capital, draft or trade or financial, for pitching. Because of that think he is not the right guy here or maybe anywhere. If he has to be kept or given a shot for a while think he needs to sit down with the owner and be told you will focus on and spend on and draft pitching. Your approach needs to change.
Also think no credit is deserved for producing a winning team after years of hardcore intentional tanking. The success looks so impressive after the fail and wow he climbed out of the hole. But he made the hole or remained in it longer than necessary. The losses count too. It was possible to try to be competitive again without staying rock bottom for so long. The perception is they need the draft picks low to improve but it doesn’t always work that way. So far the best pick was Gunnar who was like #35. Often Elias was picking the 10th ranked prospect with the 2nd overall pick so the all out tank was unnecessary.
I’m comfortable with how he drafts. But he doesn’t complement his own draft strategy. If you’re going to let other teams develop the better pitching talent for you, you do have to go acquire those pitchers from them. Whether by trade or signing. Mayo should have be dealt. Deal Basallo, too. Or keep them and deal Adley. Deal SOMETHING. If you’re not going to use premium draft capital on pitching, and also not use premium prospect capital or cash on pitching, well… this happens.
All these teams firing managers and for some reason the Jays won’t get rid of Schneider. Ugh
Did it really seem hard to fathom 2 months ago? Baltimore has not won a postseason game (not series, game) since 2014.
That window sure closed quick. Time for another rebuild….