The Brewers moved right-hander Aaron Civale to the bullpen yesterday in order to accommodate the promotion of top prospect Jacob Misiorowski. At the time, skipper Pat Murphy openly acknowledged that Civale — an impending free agent who’s never made a relief appearance in the majors or minors — was “not happy” about the role change. Less than 24 hours later, Ken Rosenthal and Will Sammon of The Athletic report that Civale has requested a trade.
Civale’s agent, Jack Toffey, tells Rosenthal and Sammon that the conversation he had with the Brewers baseball operations staff was “very professional” and that Civale would prefer to continue his career as a starter, especially with free agency on the horizon. It’s an understandable position, particularly since Civale has generally been pitching well out of the rotation recently. The 30-year-old righty landed on the injured list due to a hamstring strain after one start this season but has returned with 19 innings of 3.32 ERA ball. He’s fanned 21.3% of his opponents against a 7.5% walk rate in that time and hasn’t allowed more than two runs in any of those four appearances.
The Brewers bought low on Civale in an early-July trade with the Rays last year. He’d gotten out to a rocky start to the 2024 campaign with Tampa Bay but righted the ship upon his trade to Milwaukee. In 14 starts over the season’s final three months, Civale logged a 3.53 ERA with a 20.9% strikeout rate and 8% walk rate. Coupled with this year’s five starts, he’s pitched 96 innings as a Brewer and turned in a 3.84 earned run average with a 20.7% strikeout rate and 7.9% walk rate — all solid numbers for any team’s fourth or fifth starter.
Civale has generally averaged five innings per start, but that’s due in large part to the Brewers’ own tendency to hook their pitchers quickly. Milwaukee lets pitchers face opponents a third time in a game less often than all but one other team in baseball (Miami), and Civale’s career splits the second and third trip through a batting order are nearly identical; opponents hit him at a .257/.307/.451 clip their second time facing him in a game and .255/.310/.451 the third time. He’s markedly better facing opponents the first time in a game, but that’s true of virtually any starting pitcher. During Civale’s four-plus seasons in Cleveland — the club that originally selected him in the third round of the 2016 draft — he averaged 5 2/3 frames per start and more regularly worked into or completed six innings.
Two months ago, the Brewers having a glut of starting pitching — so much so that one of their veterans requested a trade — would have seemed laughable. Milwaukee was hit hard enough by injuries early in the year that they swung an extremely rare early-April trade to bring in some rotation help, picking up righty Quinn Priester from the Red Sox.
In the nine-plus weeks since that time, Milwaukee has gotten healthier and has seen several young arms emerge — Priester among them. Righty Chad Patrick is one of the front-runners for NL Rookie of the Year honors. Logan Henderson was brilliant in his first four MLB starts but was already optioned back to Triple-A Nashville because of Milwaukee’s depth. Misiorowski’s production in Nashville (2.13 ERA, 31.6 K%) has forced his way into the big league picture. Meanwhile, veterans like Jose Quintana and Civale himself have gotten healthy. Young lefties DL Hall and Aaron Ashby are also back from the IL and are working in multi-inning relief roles. (Hall has also had a pair of three-inning “starts” as an opener ahead of Priester.)
I took a look at the Brewers’ surprising wealth of pitching two weeks ago, noting that some tough decisions were likely on the horizon. Moving Civale to the bullpen falls into that category, particularly since a shift like that can come with precisely this type of ramification. Many fans will find a public trade request off-putting, which is a fair stance to take — just as is the case with Civale’s trade request. As a 2016 draftee, he’s been working nearly a decade to get to free agency and understandably does not love the idea of pitching in a new role that could impact his efficacy on the mound and/or his earning power on the market.
Civale is earning $8MM in 2025, his final year before free agency. As of this writing, there’s about $4.645MM of that sum yet to be paid out. In 122 major league starts, he’s pitched 658 1/3 innings with a 4.06 ERA, a 21.8% strikeout rate, a 6.5% walk rate and a 39.8% ground-ball rate.
lol
Samesies
Angels. Swap out Kochanowicz. He’s not quite ready for Primetime.
Kochanowicz has 5 years of control remaining and the Angels are not contenders for at least 2 of these years.
Trading him for a rental would be shortsighted and counter productive. So knowing the Angels it will probably happen.
HHJJ – Actually the Angels’ chance of making the playoffs with yesterday’s win shot up to 4.6%. So there’s that.
Didn’t mean trade him for Koch. Meant the Angels need a better starter in the rotation. Koch down to minors to work on control. Brewers are not getting much for a disgruntled rental.
Supply and demand economics. His (not) disgruntled-ness has nothing to do with the return via trade. Brewers don’t want to pay him $4.65 to be a reliever.
There’s a trade to be worked out for a bat.
Yankees should trade for him and say goodbye to Stroman. Do the Yankees have enough SPs at this time?
It still doesn’t change the fact that the Brewers won get much unless they pay some.of Civale’s contract.
Oh yeah. That’s sounds decent. Although I’d hate to give up any talent to boost 2025.
Nuke – Red Sox are a better fit. The guy grew up a Red Sox fan in East Windsor CT, it would be a dream come true for him and the Sox could sure use a starter.
Detroit would be interested in the player, but maybe not the person.
Why? Never heard anything off about him. He’s in the last year of his contract and has never pitched out of the pen. I would be pissed off too.
“Why?.Never heard…I would be pissed off”…No where in Aaron Civale’s contract does it say or guarantee he’ll be a starting pitcher for the Brewers for the contract’s duration.
It’s a personal services contract where the “service” to be performed is at the discretion of the team paying the contract. If no service is performed, then said contract would be in breach.
To hold onto a starting pitcher gig in professional baseball, one would have to assume that the pitcher in question would have to pitch at a level acceptable to the team or be reassigned to a different role.
The best(perhaps only)way to guarantee your role in pro sports is to pitch or play better. The “guarantee” part of a Major League baseball contract is to guarantee payment if the service is performed or unable to be performed due to injury or incapacity.
“To hold onto a starting pitcher gig in professional baseball, one would have to assume that the pitcher in question would have to pitch at a level acceptable to the team or be reassigned to a different role.”
Seriously? You make it sound as if Civale is stinking up the joint and the Brewers were just waiting until something better came along. After his first start of the season Civale goes on the injured list and returns after almost two months. Upon his return he starts four games, posts an ERA of 3.32 and sports an almost 3:1 K:BB ratio. What else are you looking for in a starter — let alone a guy penciled in as the 4th or 5th starter? There are half a dozen teams where Civale would jump to the top of the rotation if he landed there today.
That’s why it’s a request.
And that makes him a bad person?
Trouble is he been on dl quite a bit in his career with cleveland. Fans in cleveland were upset when traded him to the brewers. They acted like they traded cy young away. Of course northeast ohio guardians fans aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer !
Sorry meant traded to rays for manzardo not brewers !
None of this means he’s a bad person. He requested a trade because he wants to stay a starter. The Brewers have also been rumored to be shopping him around. None of this means Aaron Civale is somehow a clubhouse cancer.
He is in fact pitching well though. Most of the time a pitcher is moved to the pen it is because of their own performance, which is why most of the time the pitcher doesn’t complain.
This time, as it clearly states in the article you didn’t read, he has pitched well but the Brewers want to demote him anyway. Their motivation is prospect development and not performance. So Civale has been demoted through no fault of his own. It’s a unique situation and I don’t blame him for not being thrilled about it. I don’t blame the Brewers either mind you. Sometimes no one is at fault and it just a bad pairing.
I don’t think any one comment stated Civale was a bad person. You may have inferred that from the tone of some of these commenters who would likely do the exact same thing is they were in his shoes.
See Red Sox roster for 3 of these types of situations. Yoshida, Story, and Duran have younger guys playing so good the team has to do something to make the roster work. People will weep, but that’s business.
As a FA, he was gonna get traded at the deadline anyway
^this x1000.
He’d already be gone by now if he hadn’t got hurt.
They tried to have him start and recoup some value, but it wasn’t great.
They time to deal is now.
Clarifying my original comment: Hinch would love the type of pitcher he is. And they’d like him in 4/5 starter role. But they wouldn’t want the person, because he’s unwilling to move around in the pen like Hinch wants all his guys to do. It’s not morality. His frustration is fair. But if the frustration is over being a part time reliever, he wouldn’t be a good fit here, despite his resume.
For Franco
the request is so on the FA market he i looking at 3 years and 60 million as a starter vs. 1 year and 5 mil as a releiver.
He has done nothing to not be a starter, and since this is his launch year, it makes sense.
Civale is really a 3/4 type who should not need to be in the pen aside from the post season- and even then many teams would still have him as the 3rd guy in their playoff rotation.
Being asked to pitch out of the pen during the playoffs is different.
mlb fan fell flat with this one
reflect
This time, as it clearly states in the article you didn’t read, he has pitched well but the Brewers want to demote him
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He hasn’t pitched well. He has a 4.91/5.53 ERA/FIP. He’s been trending up the past 15 innings, but that makes him about a #5.
I think he would help most teams. If the team he is traded to eats all off his contract he probably won’t cost much prospect wise either.
he is making whatever the pro rated portion of 8m is. He is easily worth double that (maybe triple). So there is 4-5 million in excess value in just this half season. Add in the normal pressure to get more pitching- i think he moves at full freight for a top 100-150 prospect or at least a pair of an organizational top 20 guys (basically either a FV 50 guy or a pair of fv 45)
And even if he’s an elite arm out of the ‘pen (doubtful), he’ll still be millions short of any potential deals from if he’s even a moderate innings-eater at the backend of the rotation. SP FA contracts are so inflated, even short term ones, and RP contracts have leveled out to the point that the opportunity to be in the rotation is costing him the potential of millions of dollars.
yup- if you can pitch 140 innings with an ERA under 5, you will get 10 million somewhere. There are maybe 10 releivers making over 10 million.
Then he should have performed better. His overall numbers aren’t exactly star treatment worthy.
There are at least 20 teams which would take him for his remaining salary to be a #4/#5.
Let’s be Civale – um – civil about it
@bigjonliljon — Absolutely. I wasn’t arguing for him to stick in the rotation, just trying to understand why he would be so heated. It’s not just a pride thing, seeing the potential financial ramifications attached to the decision.
He returned from the IL, started 4 games and posted an ERA of 3.32. What are you looking for in a back half of the rotation starter?
Yankees are definitely in the conversation.
“So heated,” ….Maybe this article doesn’t mention parts of the Athletic article that you may have read?
This article refers to him being “not happy,” and having a very professional conversation.
I’m not sure why a few posters on here are trying to characterize Civale as doing anything different than most would do IF they could imagine/empathize being in his situation.
Some people just want to join the mob of misanthropes.
‘heated’ was my characterization. No intended implication, but maybe I should have said why there’s pushback.
Nailed it PF. Bullseye. Arizona needs SPs. Seems like a good landing spot for Civale.
I am thinking maybe only 15 but I gave you a thumbs up anyway
I do agree that a move from the rotation to the pen could harm his contract negotiations in free agency, and I get it.
But…. Perform better than the other options the team has and it’s never a problem.
And I hear the injury argument. But his numbers this year are pretty much in line with his career numbers, so that tells me he’s just had a few better than average starts since he came back. Not enough to say he’s a changed pitcher at this point.
Evidently the Brewers are looking for someone better? They seem to like other options more that they have on the roster. Wouldn’t the team he plays for know him better than most other teams in the league?
Paddyo – Great post, so true that many are incapable of empathy… just like their lack of empathy for Devers and many others.
Because Hinch wants guys who will pitch in whatever capacity he wants.
Does he not like cars and Little Caesar’s?
So – a player that is on the verge of what every baseball player tries to achieve…a shot at a real FA contract…is removed from the rotation despite solid performance. The agent has a “professional” and comfortable discussion with the team, and states that they are “requesting” a trade.
Pitching in the bullpen for the rest of the year guarantees one thing for Civale. and that is less guaranteed money. It also adds to injury risk for a pitcher that has only started so a simple request was a sane move.
Any concerns that the public request reduces his marketability from the Brewers perspective can sleep well. Teams need pitching and he will be in demand. Plus, the additional control period starting now makes him ostensibly more valuable than a strict deadline deal.
Also – there would not be a rotation needy GM out there that would not already know that Civale would now be available – agent announcement or not.
Right! News travels exceedingly fast sometimes before the public knows.
Can we have a poll for the exact day Civale will be traded?
As another one posted here, about half of MLB would have interest in Civale. This puts the Brewers in a good spot as competitive sellers this summer w/ Civale and Quintana likely being dealt to SP-needy teams like AZ, Boston, Houston, and several other teams.
Why should they or any of the numerous other teams who will be in the market for rotation help care about him requesting a trade when anyone can see that hes a logical trade chip regardless of that? If anything it shows he’s motivated to do his best in the role he’s been in his entire career during his walk year.
“Lol”..You think of that one yourself?
Thank you for your insightful rebuttal.
@mlb fan….While I don’t agree with your well formed comment further up this board, you explained your perspective succinctly.
You may notice that darkside almost always makes clown-like comments on here and the PFR site.
By going public with a trade demand, does it make it harder to trade the player? In this case, it seems like teams will try to take advantage of the Brewers with lowball offers knowing Civale has expressed a desire to be traded thus making it harder to trade him.
Normally yes, but with so many teams that would gladly use him in its rotation, Milw doesn’t have to tolerate any lowball offers. Demand way greater than supply. He’s a rental, so the return wouldn’t be outrageous anyhow.
Oft injured/declining performance FA starters have been getting around 15-20mil AAV contracts last couple offseasons, so understand why Civale doesn’t want that sabotaged.
I think the Brewers would just be thrilled to be rid of the rest of the salary at this rate. They must know they’re not going to get anything significant for him.
I would suspect they can get a 10-15 team ranked prospect for him +. Starting pitching is in extremely short supply and high demand.
i think that is low ball on him. I think a pair of organizational top 20 type prospects would be about right.
yankees (make the most sense since they do not have a stron #3)- i would ask for spencer jones since the yankees appear soured on him, but accept perera and vivas.
Tigers would listen- and i think Massey and Bigby gets it done.
There are another 4-5 contending teams that could use him
The more time Civale stays in the Brewers’ pen, the more time it would take an acquiring team to stretch him back out to start.
What is not spoken is whether the Brewers shopped him before sending him to the pen. They know if he remains there teams will need time to again stretch him out. I’m guessing the return was not what they wanted and now they hope he does great for them or to suddenly make him a coveted reliever. Very weird move by the Brew Crew in my view (it rhymes!) but again I’m guessing there is more to the story Jerry – those in the NYC area old enough to remember Crazy Eddie commercials will remember Jerry).
“The prices are insaneeee!”
“Nobody beats the Wiz. Nobody beats the Wiz…”
Good god I haven’t seen one of those commercials in forever. Nor seen the store. Do they still exist?
sfes- I think i recall hearing that Crazy Eddie went to jail or something. Business was closed as a result… although my “facts” could be dicey recollection, at best.
Both are long gone. The only time I got a good deal at Crazy Eddie’s is their out of business sale. Everyone assumed their prices were good by their marketing. Same thing with The Wiz which at the end was bought by MSG, yes Madison Square Garden!
He was a crook who scammed the market and tried to hide from the law by going to Israel. Of all places to read about him🫠 Penthouse Magazine had an amazing article. I think it was the only article I ever read in that magazine …
Penthouse had articles?
He was one of side stories of “The Accountant”, a movie based loosely on my life. It’s semi-sophisticated. You skim money, don’t pay taxes, then send the money back into the business to make it seem like you are a very profitable business.
Then go public.
I wouldn’t necessarily think so. Even if this didn’t come out, teams should be able to read between the lines.
SP relegated to the BP,he must not be happy.
@Angels ultimately what determines trade value is demand. If the demand for SP was low, requesting a trade publicly would probably result in even lower demand. But right now with so many teams needing SP, it could have the opposite effect
I don’t think the Brewers will get anything great for Civale, but they might get someone to take on his remaining salary and throw in a fringe Rule 5 type prospect or 2, similar to how the Angels got from the Red Sox next year for Luis Garcia
Spot-on imo. I assume teams will try to lowball them, but if you have two teams needing a #5, that is all the leverage the Brewers need.
But I think everything you said makes it a thin market.
The Brewers should have absolutely known a trade would have been requested here. Now they have reports of an unhappy camper and potentially hinders the amount that could be received in a trade. The guy is in a walk year and they want to put him in the pen for the first time in his career? Bad, dumb move from all angles.
If you want to pull something like this you have to have the conversation at the time, acknowledge the possibility of the player feeling this way and assure the player that you’ll try to honor it but please keep it down so the team can retain some leverage.
Of course as soon as the GM starts calling around trying to move him the press is going to get wind of it, but Civale looks a lot better if the trade talks appear to come from mgmt rather than his discontent.
Brewers are in the playoff hunt. Their responsibility is to field the best starting rotation possible to win games. They just happen to have an abundance of starting pitchers.
Seems like they consider the 5 starters in their rotations as better fits
I think this helps the Brewers more than it hurts. So many teams need starting pitching and now they all know of a serviceable pitcher who’s available.
I suspect your Tigers are the front-runners for a trade tbh. In 2 starts against Cle (his former team) he is 1-0 with a 1.64 ERA. Plus Milwaukee being in the playoff hunt will not want to trade him to an NL team.
Civale > broken Cobb for sure.
To SD for Wandy Peralta. Today.
Have to throw in #20-25 prospect to balance out the money but I’d still do it as a SD fan.
Do almost anything to offload that horrible Peralta contract.
Brewers and Padres are in direct head-to-head competition for a wildcard spot. Highly unlikely they trade with sdp.
This doesn’t rise to the level of Josh Hader deal. Two teams trying to fill a slight need and get rid of really bad contracts at the same. Padres could throw in a Clark Candiotti or Kai Roberts to help them swallow Peralta.
He’s not that good to be requesting anything but time off.
Pack your bags civale
As my wife refers to him:, “Big-butted Yahoo”
The weird thing to me is that he’s gotten worse the last two years… but… why?
His strikeout rate is dipping for the 4th straight year. His walks have been up the last 2 years. It’s not velocity- that’s mostly been the same over his career and this year his fastball velo is tied with his all career best years (avg 92.1 mph). Might be that his breaking stuff just isn’t getting the same results?
A quick look at Fangraphs suggests hitters are just not chasing his stuff out of the zone anymore – a career low 23% of pitches he throws out of the zone generate strikes. Which is why he’s walking more people and striking out less.
If that’s a framing issue or a sequencing issue I could maybe get it, but the Brewers and Rays are typically pretty strong about getting the most out of pitchers, so I don’t think that’s it?
There’s something about leaving Cleveland.
And I don’t think we can blame plesac or clevingers regressions on breaching Covid protocols.
Lot more to it but I can’t put my thumb on it either
That didn’t take long.
Mind on his money
The nerve of someone trying to maximize their potential earnings.
I’m surprised it doesnt happen more often.
He’s 30. Earning clock is ticking
Vealparm likes being demoted!
By you???
😂 😆 😂 😆
Now that’s funny
Hmm, the Jays need a backend starter badly. It would be worth inquiring about him at least.
I’m all for that how about Civale and Yeager for Will Wagner.
Or keep Wags and offer McAdoo for Civale. Jays might still be able to use Wagner as a super utility type I don’t know if McAdoo has a spot this year or next
Charles McAdoo?
He’s hitting under 200, again with no power in AA.
He’s a top 15 prospect so fits the bill. Or a Loperfido Add him with some A lotto ticket.
Was.
Ops in the 500s again
No indication of elbow or shoulder problems. Somebody will grab him.
Heard the Jays are looking at the D’Backs had scouts following the D’Backs watching Kelly and Gallen last few starts, according to a radio sports show here in AZ, reporter heard that Toronto maybe looking at both in one big package deal, which would involve Bo Bichette and others coming to AZ. I know this all depends on if the D’Backs become sellers.
Toronto is definitely in the conversation.
Toronto definitely.
I’m not sure I blame him. He’s been perfectly competent, just not a TOR guy. He’s got a chance to sign a serious, long term contract for serious money–look at some of the contracts handed out last year to similar-profiled players. They are asking him to assume a lesser role for the last 2/3 of the season. It’s the team’s right to make that call, and if he can’t be traded for value, their choice to retain him, but I wouldn’t heap a lot of criticism on the player. Yes, you do what’s asked of you, but that doesn’t obligate you to be happy about it.
I’m of the impression that this will come together quickly. Don’t know who’d want to give the Brewers anything significant, but again, losing the rest of his salary is probably goal #1.
Ditching salary and the roster crunch is probably 1a and 1b in whatever order you want.
I’m sure the Brewers would love to trade him, dont understand what he thinks going public with this accomplishes.
Its just been reported he asked for it. He didnt go on Twitter or anything. His agent may have leaked though.
He did
Evidence ?
Any of the dozen articles which I’m sure you can find if you tried really hard
TBH the team could have leaked it too so they don’t get blamed when another starter gets injured and they’re an arm short.
Had my O’s not dug themselves into such a deep hole I would’ve loved to have the guy but thats neither here nor there right now unfortunately lol.
Dude can’t get past the 5th without throwing a ton of pitches and cries over a bullpen role.
Five innings throwing a ton of pitches? You just described 90% of the starting pitchers in the big leagues.
“Civale has generally averaged five innings per start, but that’s due in large part to the Brewers’ own tendency to hook their pitchers quickly”
Did you not read the article ?
The he way baseball works the mi the they trade him there will be an injury in the rotation.
Civale is an interesting free agent next year. Decent mid rotation arm.
They have other options. Remember when everyone was complaining about sending Logan Henderson down?
Brewers deserve next to nothing for Civale and I like the Brewers and hope they catch those cubbies.
Why? Starting pitchers are dropping like flies and this guy isnt TOR but he’s been perfectly fine as a 3-5. That has value.
I’m guessing White Sox that where all the brewers pitchers go.
White Sox are not trading for a starting pitcher in arb3.
With Westy, Oneill, Cowser, and Kittredge and more on the horizon, I am not yet ready to give up on the season. Morton has been better out of the pen and Civale would be a good fit to replace him in the rotation. Especially considering the price is probably nothing and the two teams have a good relationship afaik
Compromise could be to piggyback him with another starter. He’d go 4 innings or so, so he could stay on a regular schedule, and save the rest of the bullpen for the other 4 starters. This way he’d stay stretched out as a starter and ready to slot back into the starting five when inevitably needed.
Piggy back could work or they could run a 6 man rotation for a bit to lessen the innings some of these young guys have to throw. Misiorowski only threw 97.1 innings last year and Priester threw 49.2, you can’t exactly chalk them up for covering 100+ each. It feels like every team always needs SP innings due to injuries.
Seems like you would want to keep a #4 type starter stretched out if you have one laying around.
Is it me or did I literally call it yesterday? Don’t believe me go to Aaron Civale bullpen
Trade him to Colorado.
They’ll get a pack of 12 beer brats and cheese curds for him.
Normally I’d agree, but considering how many teams could use a 4 or starter, Brewers might be fielding a few calls.
I understand his frustration about being demoted to the bullpen, because that is what it is a demotion. But he has to be a team player, what is best for the team right now. You don’t spell team with a “I”.
Who says that he wasn’t going to be offered in trade at the deadline. Now he has put the Brewers in kind of tight spot. The leverage to get something for him is now lessen. And who to say he might be in the bullpen for the long run, I believe he let his emotion get the better of him by requesting this trade. He is not a number one more like a 4 or 5 on most teams. His FA dollars is not going to be over whelming unless he goes to a real desperate team, and who knows maybe goes as a depth piece and has to work out of the bullpen anyway.
It was his agent who announced his trade request.
They were going to let him walk at years end, it’s not like he’s in year 1 of a 4 year deal.
If the Brewers drag their feet and he has a successful month as a reliever, it’s a wrinkle his career aspiration doesn’t need.
He’ll have that choice next year.
Yes. But still a wrinkle.
Obviously better off skipping relief altogether and getting another starting gig now.
Brewers fans that have been watching him pitch request he be traded as well
Fans seemingly have two points of reference when it comes to starting pitchers. Either they are very good or they are very bad. Average counts as very bad.
In terms of results, Civale has been slightly above average over his career, nominally a #3 SP….but he has been beset by nagging injuries his entire career. The health history is a far bigger negative than the results.
Adding Civale to the rotation of nearly any contender would be a plus…maybe a big plus…IF he is available every five days. The Guardians traded Civale at the deadline in 2023, not because of results…the best of his career…, but because of the likelihood of another health problem.
A $4+ mil gamble on Civale would be a gamble worth taking, dependent upon what the acquiring team would have to give up.
By all accounts, while he was in Cleveland, he was one of the good guys. His money related concerns as he approaches free agency are valid, and his trade request is certainly reasonable.
If he doesn’t get his way, and goes back to the rotation, he will come up with some sort of phantom injury to spend the year on the injured list and still get paid
Ummmm. That wouldn’t get him paid in free agency.
He’s not getting paid anyway. Might get a small one year deal in March, but nothing more. He’ll take the low road, thinking “if I don’t pitch when I want. I won’t pitch at all.”
Nick Pivetta signed a 4 year/$55m deal last offseason coming off a 4.14 era BOS 5th starter year dude. Civale is certainly comparable.
Only a dream, but Civale and Hoskins for a legit third basemen please….
Saving $15 million ish.
He looks like a #5, so there should be a market for him.
Demand a trade? Guy’s got a 4.65 SIERA and the league average for starters is 4.04. He’s a below average starter. He should be DFA’d.
Incredible how you just cherry picked one stat and determined that he’s a below average starter. You shouldn’t talk about baseball. Go watch WWE.
@William poopy
It’s the most accurate evaluation of a pitcher’s ability.
tht.fangraphs.com/kwera-the-starting-point-for-pit…
I guess I could just be a homer and say he’s the Best because he’s on my team, correct?
Brewers fan here, we don’t have a pitching staff filled with all-stars but everytime Civale was announced as the starting pitcher I knew we would be in trouble. He got sent to the BP for a reason.
Did you read? Title says requested a trade. There is a big difference.
Sounds like a player the Blue Jays should be looking at given their rotation problems right now?
I’d like to see CLE bring him back. Civale could fill the void left by Ben Lively who just had TJS. Very similar pitchers who provide steady if unspectacular results. Guardians wouldn’t have to part with a top prospect. Just depends on what MIL needs in return.
Cleveland is definitely in the conversation.
Folks criticizing Civale for asking the team to do the thing the team desperately wants to do anyhow are definitely getting angry over nothing. I’m a Brewers fan, and the only issue I have at all with it is that announcing his bump him to the ‘pen yesterday probably cost them a little leverage. Everybody knows the Brewers want to trade pitchers. Having the most obvious trade candidate volunteer for it really isn’t a big deal.
What a big baby. Great team player
How’s the boot tasting today my dude?
Jays need him, Milwaukee need ex-Jays. Make it happen Ross.
For Barger. Done.
Hahahahaha. Brewers would be lucky to get Dasan Brown.
With the Brewers in the NL wildcard hunt this will most likely be a bidding war of AL contenders.
I think they would trade him in the NL if they got a piece they liked in return. He’s pretty mediocre. You hope to face him in the playoffs.
Civale provides solid back-end starting innings. Valuable to get into the playoffs and preserves your marque arms.
Arnold needs to be looking to deal him ASAP. Don’t need a malcontent veteran bringing down the energy of a team fighting to stay in the race.
This kind of stuff needs to be addressed immediately. First call would be to Colorado GM if I’m Arnold. Maybe they have a bullpen arm who would do better pitching outside Coors Field?
Colorado is not trading for an arb3 starting pitcher.
Great fit for the Jays right now
HBD Aaron
Perfect opportunity to trade for a couple of bullpen arms or one for one prospect.
The guy is a soft tossing jabroni, how could he be mad? I get the pending free agent but be a man and request it without broadcasting it
How did Civale broadcast it? If it is something the press picked-up on, it doesn’t necessarily mean he was publicly talking about it.
His agent leaked it. Part of the “Strategy..” I doubt there is any real bad blood with the Brewers.
Jabroni?
Dude these are business moves not a manliness contest. And its ludicrous that people like you have this notion that not advocating for oneself and one’s interests and just being a passive, dutiful worker bee is somehow a mark of character and a sign of strength.
Baltimore should trade for him with plans to resign him longterm.
Happy Birthday, Aaron Civale!
(You’ve been traded to the Dodgers).
I say go ahead trade him with Quintana, Monso and Haase to Toronto for Will Wagner. Bring up Henderson, Quero, and Black. Have a rotation of Peralta, Mizo, Henderson, Patrick, and Preister/ Ashby/ Hall. Along with Yoho in bullpen. Just go with this as your team. Still will have plenty of depth and you save money while making the team better.
Sounds like Preller should get on the phone, considering we have no idea whatsoever when or if Michael King is coming back.
Would love to see the Cardinals get him but that’s not happening for a couple of reasons.
The Cards are in town; just move to the other dugout. Fair warning: He’s not what you want from a starting pitcher.
If you are looking for a starter who can eat some innings, be a 4th guy in the rotation and not be too costly, than he is what you want from a starter. Just depends on where you want to invest in the rotation. He is obviously not a 1 or 2, but he is a 3-5 type. Plus rorations always need startes due to injuries.
Happy 30th birthday to him.
To the Jays for Barger.
To be fair. His future value could go down as a converted RP. Let him “request” and see what comes of it. He isn’t being defiant.
Happy birthday Civale
Who does he think he is lol
I think he has some legitimate gripes. When you suddenly turn into a reliver during the season, it can cause issues with how you prepare for the games. Maybe his stuff doesn’t translate to a short relief role where the best relievers have one or two hot pitches? He is more of a control guy. and the only relief role he would be best suited for is long relief and that role doesn’t demand great contracts later on. Plus, you have to put yourself in his shoes: he has worked on being a good starter for years now and that’s what he was betting on (contract-wise) once next year comes along. He probably is just irked by the change due to that.
Don’t get me wrong, I think you should play where you are asked to play, but there’s more to these guys and their situations than we may understand.
Makes sense. They should have no trouble trading him. Blue Jays should jump on him.
AZ has plenty of infielder, so swap Civale for Suarez, plus throw in Mena to compensate for salaries.
Chasing that Pivetta money
Future doyer
He and Devers are such team first guys, hard not to root for them!
Arizona bound
I’m ok with him requesting a trade. Yea it’s about the team too, but if they guy is doing fine in the rotation why move him?
The thing that sticks out the most is the article saying that The Brewers pull their starters before the third time through the lineup. That’s insane! Let them pitch. Doing this only taxes the bullpen.
Houston still needs another arm, so why not look there. Hell, NYY or just about any other team fighting for a spot in the post season.
Gotta love the modern athlete. Why ask what you can do to help the team win when you can just ask to do what you want to do for the competition?
Trade him and his bone chilling 4.91 era to the Rockies and see how he likes starting for a team like that. Imagine not wanting to be part of a team that’s hot and looking to return to the playoffs? This guys a loser and he sucks. They’ll be smart to cut bait
The perfect fit would be Civale to Arizona for Eugenio Suarez. Both players have expiring contracts, and the Brewers need a slugging third baseman.
That would be amazing, but so very unlikely.