The Reds and Pirates have come together on an intra-division swap that will send third baseman Ke’Bryan Hayes from Pittsburgh to Cincinnati, per announcements from both clubs. The Pirates are receiving veteran reliever Taylor Rogers and minor league shortstop Sammy Stafura. The Reds will reportedly take on the entirety of Hayes’ contract, which runs through the 2029 season.
Hayes, 28, is a former first-round pick and top prospect who looked to be on the cusp of stardom early in his career. He graded as an elite defensive third baseman throughout his time in the minors and hit well as he climbed the minor league ladder. Hayes made an electric debut in the shortened 2020 season, showing off that plus-plus glove while hitting .376/.442/682 in his first 95 big league plate appearances.
Hayes didn’t replicate that output in his first full big league season in 2021, but he held his own with a .257/.316/.373 batting line in 396 plate appearances despite missing significant time due to a wrist injury. He hit just six homers but played outstanding defense and swiped nine bags. The following April, Pittsburgh signed him to an eight-year, $70MM deal which, at the time, was the largest in franchise history.
Unfortunately for Hayes and the Pirates, back injuries have become a recurring problem in Hayes’ still-young career. He’s spent significant time on the injured list due to back troubles in 2022, 2023 and 2024 — totaling five IL stints due to his back in that period of three years. Hayes still managed a league-average season at the plate in 2023 (.271/.309/.453, 100 wRC+, 15 homers, 10 steals) but he’s been a well below-average hitter since. In 788 plate appearances dating back to Opening Day 2024, he’s mustered only a .234/.281/.290 batting line (58 wRC+).
The Pirates frontloaded Hayes’ extension, paying him $10MM in each of the contract’s first two seasons and then cutting the salary back to $7-8MM per year thereafter. He’s making $7MM in 2025, with about $2.26MM of that sum yet to be paid out. He’ll then be owed $36MM from 2026-29 ($30MM in salary plus at least a $6MM buyout on a $12MM club option for the 2030 season).
It’s a relatively hefty sum to take on, though Hayes remains such a premium defender that his glove alone is arguably worth the remaining $9MM annual value on the contract (including the 2026 buyout). Hayes has been credited with an astonishing 91 Defensive Runs Saved and 73 Outs Above Average in 4796 career innings at third base, including 16 DRS and 15 OAA in 861 innings this year already. Since Hayes debuted in 2020, he leads all of Major League Baseball (at all positions) in both DRS and OAA. Andres Gimenez’s 63 DRS and Francisco Lindor’s 68 OAA are the second-highest marks in each category.
On top of a legitimate claim to being the game’s top defensive player, Hayes does have some encouraging offensive trends. His 20.7% strikeout rate in 2025 matches his career mark and checks in lower than the league average. He also regularly posts strong batted-ball metrics. Hayes has averaged 90.7 mph off the bat in his career, and 46.3% of his batted balls have traveled 95 mph or faster. The downside, however, is that far too much of that hard contact comes in the form of ground-balls. A hefty 49.5% of Hayes’ career batted balls have been hit into the ground, and his lack of consistent elevation offsets his average power.
A move to Cincinnati’s Great American Ball Park could prove beneficial. Pittsburgh’s PNC Park is the toughest park in MLB on right-handed power over the past three years, per Statcast’s Park Factors. Great American, meanwhile, has been the second most conducive park to right-handed home runs in that time. It’s feasible that Hayes might at least eke out a few extra home runs just from the more favorable dimensions in his new home park.
The acquisition of Hayes could push infielder Noelvi Marte into the outfield on a more permanent basis. Marte is enjoying a nice rebound year at the plate, batting .276/.329/.500 with seven home runs and six steals in 146 plate appearances. Cincinnati has been having Marte go through outfield drills and has given him eight innings of actual right field (three games) over the past couple weeks.
Rogers’ inclusion in the Hayes return is solely for financial purposes. The 34-year-old is an impending free agent earning $12MM in the final season of a three-year $33MM contract, though the Giants are paying half that salary under the terms of the offseason trade that shipped him to Cincinnati. The Pirates, in all likelihood, will turn around and try to trade Rogers before tomorrow afternoon’s deadline.
So far in 2025, Rogers has pitched to a 2.45 ERA with a 23.3% strikeout rate and 13% walk rate in 33 innings. Rogers has a track record as a closer and setup man but hasn’t been used frequently in high-leverage spots by the Reds this year. He should draw some interest, especially if Pittsburgh is willing to pay down some of the $1.94MM he’s still owed through season’s end.
Beyond shedding the entirety of an unwanted contract, the Pirates’ return in the trade is the 20-year-old Stafura. He’s just two years removed from being the No. 43 overall pick in the draft and receiving an over-slot bonus of nearly $2.5MM. Stafura was regarded as a potential first-round pick in 2023. He’s spent the 2025 season in Class-A, hitting .262/.393/.411 (131 wRC+) with four home runs, 18 doubles, nine triples and 28 stolen bases (in 33 attempts).
Stafura possesses well above-average speed and has walked in more than 15% of his plate appearances in his professional career. His 23.9% strikeout rate is a bit high and there have been some concerns about Stafura’s hit tool. He’s played 170 of his 172 games in the field at shortstop (plus two at second base). Baseball America, in ranking Stafura ninth among Reds farmhands, noted that while Stafura has a roughly average arm, it’s quite accurate and he has the other defensive skills needed to stick at shortstop. It’s always possible Stafura will eventually slide to second or move into a utility role, but for now, the Pirates figure to keep him at shortstop.
Cincinnati has spent much of the past few weeks looking for offensive upgrades. Hayes is quite possibly an offensive downgrade, but he’ll be a massive boost to the team’s defense. The Reds, presumably, will remain in the market for a hitter who can more meaningfully upgrade their lineup.
Mark Feinsand, Mark Sheldon and Alex Stumpf of MLB.com first reported that Hayes had been traded to the Reds. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported the return. Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that the Reds were taking on Hayes’ entire contract.
Stove is HOT!
Stafura for a guy who can’t hit?
and Taylor Rogers
Pirates are going to move Taylor Rogers in a separate deal, just wait.
If he makes more than Caleb Ferguson, probably.
Both will be traded, Ferguson contract runs out at the end of the season too
I agree Roger’s is gone next. But it would be cool to raise the jolly Rogers after Bednar is dumped
Stafura is a nice prospect that was going to have a hard time finding a place in Cincy with elly, arroyo and now lewis in the org…hayes at least plays gold glove defense
Even if there wasn’t room for him in the majors, you still want to get value for value.
A gold glove defender for a kid who will not sniff the majors for 2-3 years seams value for value.
Not when the defender has 2HR as a corner infielder and an OPS+ of 59!
Used to. Hayes is pretty well done with that part of his career, due to his problem back.
Sure, but Hayes is a huge hole in the lineup.
Pens. Can this be posted in bold?
Done with the gold glove portion of his career???? He is far superior in runs prevented and OAA in comparison to every other third baseman in baseball. His OAA is 15….2nd place is 4.
Pirates did pretty well here. They have another gold glove zero bat 3B behind him
They’ve been playing the kid they got from KC at 3B at Indy (Devanney). Here’s hoping Fraudington is smart (HA!!) & the kid gets to debut Friday at Coors Field of all places!
What an incredible deal for the Pirates to get out of that albatross?! Hayes is a good defender, his bat would play at shortstop but a team like the Pirates had to get some offense out of a 3B, and certainly cannot pay good money for a glove-only 3B. I am sure that some of Hayes’ issues are health-related, but I give the Pirates an A+ and the Reds have acquired Jeimer Candelario 2.0. At least the Reds have kept all of their stud young pitchers.
Sometimes teams value prospects a lot less than the mlb.com or other outside lists do. Stafura is a little guy with limited power and some decent numbers in A ball at age 20. He’s not nothing, but also hasn’t proven anything yet, and lots of orgs have a guy like that. I would guess the Reds just didn’t value him anywhere near as high as the ratings sites do.
I don’t value prospects as much as many reds fans do. They have 2 purposes: 1. Develop into major league talent and 2. Trade for players that can help get to the postseason. Some prospects never develop and some get traded. Draft more next year.
The issue I have with this is that we did neither with this prospect. Espinal ranks high as a defensive 3rd baseman but his ops plus for his career is the same as Hayes with the same amount of service time which is 86. The definition of ops plus is league average is 100 so less than average for both. This year Espinal sits at 64 and Hayes 59 so both are way below average this season.
The reds already have way below average bats at 3rd base (Espinal, CES, McLain this year at least) so this doesn’t make us amy more of a playoff team than we were yesterday. Not to say we won’t make it as is but it didn’t make us better. Furthermore we will be stuck with the salary next 4 years which along with paying Candelario (another 3rd baseman that couldnt hit) next year will keep us from signing Schwarber whose bat would take this team from pretty good to very good.
By the way we have a good hitting 3rd baseman that plays decent defense in Marte. If we don’t make the postseason this year we should have kept Marte at 3rd for next season, sign Schwarber as a DH and let Lux play left field.
We are position flexible with Steer, Lux and Espinal but there is nobody except Espinal & Joe of our current 13 position players that are close to as bad offensively as the one we got. We needed a middle of the order bat and the one we got wouldn’t make the lineup if we played our 9 best hitters. Doesn’t help at all and a useless trade.
I had read the diamondbacks had interest in Petty. No way to know but if Petty and Stafura would have gotten suarez that would have been a difference making trade well worth it even though Suarez is a rental. We will be deep at starting pitching for a few years so don’t need petty as he would likely be our 8th starter. As for stafura yes he is an unknown prospect and could be good in the future or not but what we do know is that Hayes who we got can’t hit big league pitching and that Suarez could hit a dozen or more home runs here in GABP the last 2 months of the season.
Shan Dude. This is funny. Eduardo Escobar is waiting by the phone. He wants an offer.
I hated watching him struggle at the plate for the Mets. Great guy though.
I do not understand this deal from the Reds point of view. Hayes cannot hit. Taylor Rogers is a very useful lefty arm out of the pen. Cincinnati will regret this trade by middle of next season, even if Hayes’ D is good.
Deal makes perfect sense for the Reds. No other team, just the Reds. I’m sure adding a player with prior back problems and only two HRs will energize team.
OPS+ of 59
Is his defense really that good in order to have a +1.2 bWAR? I don’t know the math behind WAR but I would imagine at best his offense and defense cancel each other out.
It’s really good, but he’s not a base stealer and his offensive is non-existent.
He hits a lot of line drives.. keep in mind that PNC Park is very spacious and he’s kinda unlucky.
A line drive hitter should thrive there. What sense does what you said make?
Hayes hits effectively to the opposite field and not so much as a pull hitter
Yeah I’ve always wondered if defense gets factored in too much into WAR. It’s not that I don’t value defense, but with a bat as bad as that, you wonder how the defense really makes it worth it
Hayes offensive WAR is (0.5) and defense plus base running is 1.7.
Of course defense gets factored in too much, also defense ratings are subjective and vary from year-to-year. And this one, even as one of the very best 3B in MLB, he’s only touching the ball defensively 3X/game.
“he’s only touching the ball defensively 3X/game.’
He’s only batting 4 times per game
“defense ratings are subjective and vary from year-to-year.”
Offense varies from year to year as well. So does pitching.
Defense might be slightly overrated in WAR calculations, but that’s likely mostly because it hasn’t changed since strikeouts started increasing and there are fewer balls in play. And this would mostly just shrink the range between the highest and lowest positional adjustments.
Best glove in the NL at 3B.
Bat could play up if he gets a decent hitting coach. Pirates have never had that.
Macbeth – Arenado, Chapman, Machado, McMahon – ever heard of those guys? 3 were 2024 GG finalist and the other has a few GGs and a Platinum.
Long time, Machado hasn’t won a GG since 2015, arenado is great but his defense has slumped since 2022 his last GG year. McMahon has never won a GG.
Hayes was robbed of the GG in 2022 by Arenado trading on past performance and name value. If Hayes wasnt made of glass and played in a few more games he may have won it.
Hayes has the best glove at 3b in the NL at this moment and there is no denying it. His WAR is almost entirely supplemented by his glove.
Ok. Just saying he wasn’t even a top 3 in 2024 per GG voting.
I’m not suggesting that he isn’t a really good defensive 3b as his WAR is very weighted that way as you say.
He is made of glass and doesn’t play nearly enough games to make a stronger case honestly.
If he could somehow play 145 games every year he could probably go on a 3 year in a row stretch and win it every year.
I hope he does well as a bucs fan, great to see defense anytime these days because most player lack it, but his bat is ice cold here.
On another note, “Here we go Steelers, here we go!”
Macbeth — You are delusional. Matt Chapman is light years better than Hayes and just about every other third baseman in MLB.
And of course, there are a number of other great gloves in the NL that more than rival Hayes.
Macbeth — There’s more than a few fans of various teams that will ABSOLUTELY deny it. You have your head in the sand.
Chapman would win out only by virtue of playing more games and in the Bay Area. He’s great no doubt but if the game is on the line on a ball down the 3b line km taking hayes.
I mean just read the article it demonstrates how elite Hayes is on defense.
His only downside on defense is his games played due to injuries. That is it.
I will decide this battle once and for all.
Matt Chapman is still the best defensive 3rd baseman in baseball. Platinum glove talent.
Which in and of itself makes Chapman better if all else is equal. The best ability is availability.
Hayes has nearly 4x the outs against average than Chapman this year in only about a dozen more games.
The Pirates FIRED a minor league hitting coach for daring to HELP him 2 years ago (even though it worked!). I’m sure the Reds would welcome any help from any source.
“Reds seeking middle of the order bat”…
Hayes should hit ninth in the order.
Hays will hit much better being away from the Pirates organization.
To be fair, his bat might be a middle of the order bat in the Reds lineup
Krall goes into Francona’s office… “Terry, you’re never gonna believe what I did! I got O’Neil Cruz for Taylor Rogers and Stafura! Wow, those Pirates sure are dumb.” Francona to Krall… “uhhhh, no Nick…you got Hayes and are paying the full boat on his salary”. Krall to Francona “ummm, wha? oh man! Who’s gonna tell Bob??… I better just go take a nap and see if this blows over.”
I appreciate this. Marge Schott is proud.
That ain’t Hayes …
Woah!
Didn’t see this coming
THANK GOD
Glad the tigers stayed away
I was about to make the same comment!
Agreed.They have McKinstry/Vierling/Baez covering 3rd. I’m not that desperate to give up that level of return for a defensive replacement
*28 teams fans glad they stayed away. The Reds are nuts.
why? defense only? Reds need a power bat
@Jason 32
Jays are defense only this year and have one of the best records in the MLB. Defense will win the championship this year. Dodgers are in trouble!
Yeah, Hayes sure made a difference for the Bucs . What a game changing glove.
Jays are defense only?!? Huh? Guerrero, Kirk, Bichette, Springer and Barger (and Schneider/Heineken in limited roles) are all at 115 or better in OPS+. They have a couple d only guys like Straw and Gimenez, but that’s not accurate overall.
@Big Hurt
Jays are 109 wRC+. They have a RD of +22. Even the Reds have a RD of +41 but sitting at 4 games over .500 while the Jays are 17 games above .500. Jays aren’t overpowering teams with offense, it’s their defense and pitching that’s kept them in games.
I love the auto correct on Heineman
The Jays are in the bottom third of the league in virtually every defensive metric. They are middle of the pack or lower (23rd in ERA) in pitching metrics. They are top ten in most offensive metrics.
There is no viable support for your incorrect, uninformed opinion.
@bigdaddy, tells you all you need to know about me lol.
@york
Jays have the highest BA in MLB, top 10 in runs scored, first in OBP, 6th in OPS… They are 23rd in ERA, 23rd in runs allowed. They are in the bottom half of errors and fld%….
I’m sorry but that screams good at offense and bad at pitching and defense
bigdaddyt: For Canada, it should correct to Molson’s, lol.
I hear you Old York, but your first sentence is basically “the Jays are 9% better than league average offensively”, so maybe it’s semantics or playing in the margins, but the Jays have a good (if not great) offense.
@Big Hurt
Yes, they have a good offense but they’re not blowing teams out of the water. Oddly enough, the O’s have been exposing their pitching and defense in this series so maybe I’ll be wrong.
@ hot takes only
It looks a lot better when those numbers are converted to metric.
The Blue Jays are tied with the Mariners for the 4th highest wRC+ at 110.
Defense doesn’t stop HRs. Jays have offense & pitching too.
@Queen Soto
Pitchers are considered the defense so they are responsible for preventing HRs.
As others have said what are you talking about?
@TBJ12
I’m explaining myself. Now, what are you talking about?
Maybe another hitter is coming with?
THIS. Wtf are they doing?!
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! They better pay his contract down and have given up a #15 prospect. I’m gonna be sick.
Bat will take off in Cincy. But the return/money will be interesting.
No his bat wont take off in Cincy, unless ground balls carry there. He only hits weak groundballs.
His EV is elite. Just saying.
@retire21: “His EV is elite”.
Statcast has him at the 55th percentile for EV.
My bad obviously. I thought his “Hard-hit-balls” % was extremely high.
haha, his bat is not going to take off…
@16: Pirate fans will likely tell you that his bat “takes off” every day………..
4 years 30 million is cheap
Overpay
For a guy who’d struggle to get more than minor league offers if he were a free agent? Lol
Bob Nutting is famous for giving away $ so no doubt Pirates paid a drastic amount of $
Reds are taking on the ENTIRE remainder of the contract
And yet, I’m thrilled the Pirates finally moved this guy. Mendoza will disagree, but what an incredibly stupid signing.
Maybe someone with the Reds can shake him out of his stupor to show a little fire once in a while.
I hope this trade opens the flood gates
Burn it all down, Bob
Old- Once again,you do not talk for Mendoza.
I just saw an article that said Hayes did not want to play here.For the first time ever,I saw him smile on the field yesterday.
Maybe he knew that he would be traded.
He is hitting better and is going to right field well.
Whatever power he had has vanished.Maybe he will hit a few more home runs in Cincinnati.
But even if he gets his batting average up to 270 he will never hit with power unless he plays in Williamsport.
I had said just about a week ago that I would trade him for a good relief pitcher and they did.Then I find out that they will trade the relief pitcher probably for another A player who looks decent now but who will never make the ML’s.
This like Marte and Bell before him was a salary dump pure and simple.I am hardly surprised.
But he may very well be another Neal Walker with a chronic bad back and in that getting rid of him will help the team morale by eliminating someone who is too lackadaisical and will never provide the power so desperately needed at a power position.
you really need to start reading the articles Dream, instead of jumping directly to the comment section.
Cincy is paying all of his contract
@TheMan 3 Thank you. That’s very good advise.
face it Pirate fans this was a salary dump at least with this transaction
Salary dump is getting nothing back or giving prospects. This is like Christmas morning as a child.
Paul-Sometimes Dream GM,aka AI GM,talks in tongues.
One has to occasionally be a person whisperer to understand him.
AI- Maybe for you.
For many of the rest of us it fits a long term trend of getting low level prospects who soon become suspects.
His contract is not expensive and they gave up the position they are overloaded at. Actually a good trade. He is still around / slightly above league average against LHP. Bat can still come around
#9 in their system actually AND Taylor Rogers. Gotta think Pirates paying some of that contract.
Rogers is a rental, likely to be flipped in another trade. If the Pirates are paying ANY of Hayes contract, thats even dumb by their standards. This is a salary dump, they got nothing in return but a shortstop who can’t hit in high A.
Taylor Rogers is the salary relief. It’s definitely a head scratcher for the Reds so far. Pirates could even flip Rogers it seems like. Hopefully for the Reds it makes more sense with another move or two that happen.
Apparently, Sammy Stafura has really fallen off prospect lists. Not on FanGraphs Top-45. Listed among “others.”
Fangraphs doesn’t know anything
That is kind of what they did. They gave up their #9 guy and offloaded some big league salary as well.
85, too much skyline chili?
One spoonful is “too much skyline chili.”
I miss Skyline Chili. I usually fly to OH 1-2x a year and always get some. Separately, the ingredients are all mid, but together they create this magically tasty meal.
Reuben sandwich just entered the chat…
Cincyfan85: “The Reds are taking on all of the money on Hayes’ contract, reports Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. He and Rogers largely cancel each other out for the balance of the current season, but the Bucs will net $36MM in long-term savings after the 2025 campaign.”
Pretty sure the original poster can read the article updates directly. This info was obviously added to the article after Cincyfan made their original comment. There’s no constructive reason to paste this here.
I see nothing snarky about my comment. Yours however…
Of course you don’t see anything snarky about it. Self-awareness obviously isn’t your strong suit.
A little salty
Well definitely not what I was hoping for. Brings nothing offensively to the table.
How do you know?
Just look at his stats. Been a top tier defensive 3B though down this year. Career wise he’s a light hitter.
His stat page
@AI GM: His stats. You know, the record of things he does on a baseball field.
im not against the trade. probably best devensive 3b they will have had in a while. but your adding a guy who doesnt hit well to a team that doesnt hit well. youd have to hope another move or two was coming.
His stats with Pirates development and hitting coach.
and you think ours are any better? just look at how bad our guys do.
Will be awful trade with his current stats so they better be able to improve him.
im with you on that. my fear is his back goes out on him again. had issues for 3 years now
Out of Hayes mouth the jelly stuff between the disc is gone. I said after that no jelly Hayes toast. He changed his workouts. Careful about posture and how he sits sleeps. Goes to chiropractor. Been fine this year. But 2027 28 29? He could work out. For near lowest payroll Pirates it’s not worth the gamble. Never got the impression he liked Pittsburgh and his family is very vocal on social media. Good move to get rid of him no matter how it works out.
his father was very vocal about Ke Bryan being traded, Charlie was never in favor of his son playing in Pittsburgh
Never liked Charlie either
How do you light a fire under a guy who’s stuck on a team who won’t sniff the playoffs for another 10 years? That lovable loser schtick only goes so far. Even the most faithful hard charging gung ho guy can only stand being in last place for so long before he loses his fire.
Professionalism.
Under Shelton, we were treated to jogging out ground balls, admiring fly balls that end up being long singles, cell phones popping out of a sliding baserunner’s pocket, Hayes having a handful of seeds as a ball is live, goes for a double and he’s playing 3rd, a catcher who twice lolly pop’s throws back to the pitcher with a runner on base, resulting in stolen bases
And a general acceptance of losing
Yeah. Some of us are sick of it
It’s got nothing to do with playing on a loser and everything to do with professionalism. You’re paid handsomely. You have fans plunking down money. They deserve better
Sorry for the rant and yeah, things have improved a bit under Kelly, but what you described goes against the grain of being a pro
Give me a team full of guys who leave it out on the field every time out, a team that hates losing. If they’re around .500, that’s fine with me
This guy? Mister Aloof
I thought I responded to this and it was here but now gone, apparently.
Your comment kind of amazes me
Given your way of thinking, dogging it because you play for a perennial loser is acceptable. Losing focus, not hustling, completely understandable
I’m wondering what “professionalism” means to you. In sports, we’re talking essentially about entertainers who are paid well.
The “lighting of the fire” is supposed to be what pros do themselves. It’s the definition of the term
The Pirates will either keep IKF since they will have their fill of A level prospects by trading Rogers or bring up Triolo to play third base since he is basically a clone of Hayes.
Hayes may be happy to be traded and that could improve his hitting but he will never be a good hitting third baseman.
But he will no longer have that excuse in Cincinnati.
He is no longer a youngster and that back will not get any better.
The Pirates clearly gave him that contract a year or two too early and just for promotion purposes.
That is a problem with having that philosophy with your own players.
Unfortunately,unless Reynolds gets his act in gear it may apply to him also.
Man- I understand what you are saying but some guys look at just winning the day.
Hayes was always nonchalant and I think that he got that from his father being a decent ML player.
He is famous for eating pumpkin seeds during a play a couple of years ago.Shelton did not do anything about it.
He is so smooth in the field that he does not look like he is hustling but I never saw him taking it easy running to first base of when hitting balls into the gaps.
He is a wizard at third base.
The shame is that the contract negated them from getting a decent relief pitcher with control for him.
IKF gone if anything is offered for him. Hopefully someone gives something. For some reason these teams really really value versatility. Let’s hope because that’s all he has to offer.
He won’t play lackadasically for Terry Francona, I can assure you.
Hayes Contract turned out to be freaking amazing.
They could have got a decent relief pitcher. They could trade Taylor for one. Could trade the SS prospect for one. Could just keep much better than decent Santana Bednar.
Bet the Hayes home is devastated after reading you “never like Charlie either”
Couldn’t care less. But thanks for the comment
Cherington must have slipped the Reds’ FO a collective Mickey to convince them to take on Hayes and his contract. Hayes was literally the least attractive 3B option on the market.
oh nooooo
F Bomb 78
wow didn’t see this coming. probably got a bag of balls.
That would be amazing. Even just 1 ball. Get that bad back off the payroll.
I don’t know what Hayes is like defensively, but his bat sure isn’t worth the money he’s getting paid..
He’s the BEST defensively. Will hit better in GASP.
Great
American
Superball
Park?
He’s elite defensively but opposite with the bat, like real bad bat.
He is the best defensive player in the major leagues.
He only makes $7M-$8M
I’m curious how you don’t know that. When someone mentions him, it’s only for his defense which is close to the best in baseball no matter the position.
I sure don’t pay attention to the Pirates. That’s the main reason. Now I know, haha.
Best defender in baseball
He won the Gold Glove in 2023
That’s how good his defense is
I’ll take Machado. Better all around player. Uh, that’s what it’s supposed to be all about at this level, no?
Actually not. Baseball is a team sport played by individuals. What matters is how an individual player complements the other talent on the team, fits into the team’s orientation/philosophy/strategy, and helps the team be better..
No, first and foremost, the idea of team at any given level entails the idea of having the talent commensurate with that level of play itself. Hayes was as one dimensional as Triolo, or Suwinski or myriad others here
I understand the idea of “every player is a cog in the wheel” where your orientation/philosophy/strategy themes are concerned, but Hayes was signed as “the building block” here, the “cornerstone” upon which to build.
Yes, your themes are nice, but he never lived up to what the franchise had hoped he’d become—the bedrock of those very themes. Not did he ever seem interested to begin with
Unbelievable. Great defensively but never had the bat THAT THEY SORELY NEED.
Krall dropped the ball here.
Keeps proving he has no idea what the deadline is about.
I wonder if you have time to let Krall pick your brain about the deadline before the deadline. How did he even get that GM job over you? He must have interviewed better. Damn!
Another altar worshipper, I see.
There are a lot more competent front office prople around the game. I even know a few of them.
Should have gotten Suarez…
True. They desperately need a power hitting bat and instead bring in a non hitting 3B who might block or slow down Stewart.
Have fun reds. Plus plus defender but all that projected pop has been subdued for some time. Thanks for the memories key
As a Pirate with Pirates hitting development.
An inter-division trade is crazy. I guess this is an upgrade over Marte at 3b?
That’s a myth. Red’s pirates don’t give a it. Newman for Moreta.
It’s not like they are both battling for the division crown each year.
They are just moving him to the OF full time.
Marte belongs in RF.
Smart of the Pirates to dump him. He’ll be a bench guy within 3 years. Interesting that they’re dealing him now though, as his name’s barely been mentioned in rumors..
Fire sale coming in Pittsburgh?
Yup If his glove even drops off 2% he’s worthless
Mentioned quite a bit.
He’s been mentioned. Yankees Tigers I recall.
Heaney IKF Ferguson Pham all certain to be traded. Bednar Santana for right price. Reynolds Keller lil less likely but for right price.
Anyone except Skenes and probably Cruz. Is that a fire sale? I don’t think so. Just routine how you should run a baseball team. Pirates will try to contend next year.
The Phillies should pony up somebody good for Pham but they have already traded two of their top prospects.
They need to get someone at least doing well in AA but the Phillies are not all that deep in their system.
Could just get 2 15 to 30 guys with high ceiling.
The problem with that is I really do not think that the Phillies system is that deep.
Tait the catcher while young has potential and Abel looked good against the Pirates but they only have left Miller a SS hitting 260 and Painter who throws 100 but just got back from TJ surgery.
I agree that IKF is just a utility man but he has been acceptable at SS and can play a number of positions reasonably well.He also hustles and is a good teammate.
I am hoping that the overall attitude improves a little bit with Hayes gone.
Any system has enough for Pham. Rental outfielder. Don’t see 2 gms thinking these new contacts made him Ted Williams.
What are the Reds doing…
Tito kind of player—glove, little bat. We don’t have anywhere near the offense in the rest of our lineup to offset getting nothing at 3B, though.
Talking about pissing your money& prospects away. Ahahahahahaha!
why in the world this doesn’t make sense at all I hate being a reds fan
I feel this in my soul.
Try being a Gnats fan.
Then try being a Pirates fan.
Reds and Pirates fans- brethren in perpetual suffering.
For Stafura and Taylor Rogers. No news on if any monetary numbers are involved yet
…that’s it? I know he’s not a big power bat but 5yr of control for elite glove for…that? Sign me up.
Woweee. Sign that the Pirates are going to be way more active than maybe expected. Need bats bats bats in return.
Sign of a salary dump.
Wow we, why would they want him don’t they need bats?
I’ll give it a chance. Sometimes a change of scenery can make the bat come around. Maybe escaping Pittsburgh is all he needed for this to happen.
They thought they could fix Benson too.
Candelario, Moustakas, Wil Myers, Pham. It just hasn’t worked these last few years outside of Castellanos
Ask Phillies fans about Castellanos.
Would appear this is a player the Reds specifically targeted – not like he’s been mentioned as a hot trade target.
Likely they see something they think they can change to get his offense going. I hope so. Not because I really care about the Reds, but he’ll be a more fun player if he can hit enough to keep a job
What does this mean for Marte? He seems to be hitting
It means he’s a part time right fielder and Suarez and an outfielder ain’t happening.
As we expected.
You mean maybe you expected but you had to realize that as many teams were as in on Suárez it wasn’t going to happen. Give it a chance. Maybe a change of scenery to a team that is actually trying to win helps bring his bat around. Keep positive and you never know what can happen. This could turn into a steal of a deal for the Reds in the long run.
How long of a run are you thinking? Hayes is 28. Turning 29 in January. Seems like hes already in his prime
Joe-Or if his back acts up again it could be an albatross of a deal.
You pretty much did call it.
Maybe they can sign Suarez in the off season, but the money might be too much and besides they have Hayes and Stewart along with Collier.I
RF. Cannon arm.
If you ignore his hitting, he’s a great ballplayer.
And running.
And time on the IL.
He’s not glove first. He’s glove only.
Trade came out of nowhere.
5 years of control. Maybe they think they can fix him.
Maybe but a gamble, especially with chronic back problems!
It’s worth the risk at his price, being motivated to win, and a plus hitters park. Like the risk/reward here
A+ don’t care what the return is as long as Red’s are taking contract. Amazing elite glove. Maybe a real development team can get bat going. Just that bad back is not something you want to gamble with having Nutting never over 100m payroll.
A++++++++++++++++++ Extend Cherington now A++++++++++++++++++ A no doubt SS with speed. Lacks power and has some strike out issues but not so awful it can’t be fixed. High walk rate. Rodgers will replace Ferguson or better yet be traded tonight or tomorrow!
Red’s don’t even know. Could be a 700 ops hitter with the best defense you ever seen. No jelly in his back though. That scares the heck out of me. Getting away from that contract was a smart move. His back has been managed fine this year but just scary and too much risk for my liking. D for desperation move. If back remains fine this trade will be fine more than fine. It comes down to the back.
Found Cherington’s handle on the board
Thats a pretty low bar for a GM extension…what if he extends Skenes? Vote him owners shares at the next board meeting lol
Yeah, the bad back excuse again. Are you sure bright eyes isn’t your cousin? Abject baloney to say the guy can’t hit because he has a bad back but can still play a stellar 3rd.
Bright Eyes argument was nonsense, like most of his dullard posts that throw meaningless analytics out there for giggles.
This guy was never a hitter with power. A singles hitter. Bright eyes wishes to point to a 3 month run to say, “See?” Blind squirrel, meet acorn.
Hope his back improves. I wouldn’t wish pain on anyone. But the stupidity here is incredible
They were never actually trying to get Suarez. Lol But you could definitely count on them to make a deal that won’t benefit them offensively.
Can we please stop saying that intra-division trades are rare? Ever since the balanced schedules came out and multiple wild cards were added to the postseason, there is no reason to not trade within the division.
There really never was a reason.
Confident capable GMs improve their rosters fearlessly.
Why?
The biggest bust in Pirate history
Polanco?
Tabata?
There’s competition for the biggest bust in Pirates history
Will Craig and Bryan Bullington each say hello
Pirates got RP Taylor Rogers and A-Ball Sammy Stafura (Reds #11 or 12 prospect) in return. Rogers might not want to unpack, could be on the move again
SS prospect, was 2nd round pick in 2023. Hitting .262 with 4 HR and 48 RBI in 88 games
Don’t bother packing until tomorrow.
Just stay at the hotel.
Taylor Rogers and SS Sammy Stafura are headed to the Pirates
Wonder if they think about moving Oneil Cruz to 3B
no Cruz isn’t moving to third base
If IKF isn’t traded, he will man third base for the rest of the season
You’re kidding I hope. To go from the best defensive 3B to the worst wouldn’t work.
Close the door on Suarez?
I highly doubt that door was ever actually ajar aside from our fans perspective.
Time for Cincy to hire some back specialists
Ok but why giving up Taylor Rogers?
Yeah, that frankly doesn’t make much sense
Money.
Ahh
Actually yes,but the Pirates will also get another A player for Rogers and will not develop him either.
He’s probably not as good a hitter as Hayes.
Because he’s making $12M this year. (Don’t know if the Giants are paying any of that?) It’s to help the Reds dump some money short-term by taking on more money long-term. Pirates will probably flip Rogers tomorrow…
Giants were paying half of that I believe
Yep. Just Googled it. Exactly half. So that means Pittsburgh is on the hook for about $2M. I’m sure they’d like to dump that…
I liked Stafura but we’ve got better SS prospects. Still pretty meh on this trade. We need offense
Are they giving up on CES now?
That is a very good question. I have been disappointed in him but he is still only 25 and had an ops + this year of 63. Hayes ops plus this year is 60 and at 28 the prime of his career. Career Hayes is 86 and CES 80 but CES is league minimum salary next couple of years while Hayes gets $7 million a year the next 4 years and then a $6 million payment if we don’t exercise his $10 million team option for 2030.
Here is the thing. This is not a move a team trying to make the post season would do and that’s not what I had hoped but fine we will have the same food team lacking a power bat next year. Hometown Schwarber will be a free agent after this season and the power bat to take us from pretty good to scary good. However paying Hayes $7.5 million next year and Candelario $15 million next year there will be no money left to sign Schwarber.
Glad to know he’s not coming to Detroit.
I’m gonna miss Ke’Bryan. One of my favorite players the Pirates had in recent years. Plays hard and gives it 100% with the glove. Idk if his back will ever be strong enough again for him to rebound with the bat, but I will sorely miss his glove at third base.
I like this move for both teams
Interesting. As a Pirates fan I am not too upset. The Hayes of two years ago with 15 homers and decent offense was an absolute bargain but at this point I see no way he ever regains form. He seemingly cannot generate any power in his swing without messing up his back. I do wish him the best.
Why would the Reds trade Taylor Rogers and why would the Pirates want him?
Salaries. Cmon man.
Either the Pirates are going to flip Rogers (they only owe ~2M) to someone who needs the lefty, or he’s going to take Ferguson’s spot once he’s inevitably traded.
Or the Pirates just wanted a Rogers to hang out with the other Rodgers in town. Maybe someone would buy a jersey in confusion?
Similar salary this season.
Didn’t they just eat the contract of a 3B that struggles offensively just to take the contract of another one?
I imagine Rogers stay in Pittsburgh will be a short one
They want to pay 2 at the same time that can’t hit. They will be on the hook for Candelario until the end of next season. Actually they will be paying 3 3rd basemen that can’t hit if we include Espinal. Yet we have one that can rake in Marte that we pay league minimum. We just want to be fair to other small market teams I guess.
Pittsburgh always needs a Mr. Rogers in the neighborhood.
WTF is this team even doing?
Any other teams need new fans? This is how you make fans for other teams.
Would think the Pirates will eat a good bit of Taylor’s contract & flip him again for a more controllable reliever. They have gauged the relief trade market extensively already.
you’d have thought so. reds taking on all of it
Pirates on the hook for ~2M. They don’t even need to eat any $ to flip him tbh.
Has a $12m salary, so that’s more around $4m prorated for rest of the season. A team near the luxury tax would benefit from the Pirates taking on cash. Pirates would benefit from a better return.
The way his deal was structured he made $6M this season. The Reds are paying $4.064M from his service this season. Leaves $1.935M for the Pirates the remaining this year. All per Spotrac. He made $12M in 2024, not 2025. But you are right they could earn a better lottery ticket if they eat that remaining. Considering they were going to pay about that amount to Hayes for the remainder of the year I’d say it can go either way.
Article said his previous team the Giants is paying half his salary already
Do-The Pirates need another left hander in the bullpen as I would not bank on Borucki but Rogers is a free agent at the end of this year.
Bucs have another Gold Glover who can’t hit to replace him.
Triolo?
Yes.
Might be peguero and triolo on the left side.
This should signal the end of the Krall tenure…shouldn’t it?
We can only hope
Just a salary dump
GO NUTTING’S WALLET!!!!!!!
I’m smelling a flip of Taylor Rogers. He’s on an expiring contract and a contender would no doubt want him. I’m thinking the Yankees or Jays packaged with Keller or Heaney for a better prospect package.
Wonder if this means other guys within the reds MLB roster are going to be moved. They already had like 4-5 guys on the active roster that can play 3rd.
My gosh, will the REDS take Taijuan Walker from us? He has about as much value as Hayes.
Walker worked hard over the off season and has pitched well in an awkward role with the Phillies.
Don’t get this at all from Cincy’s perspective.
$35 million in savings plus a recent second round pick seems like a solid return for Pittsburgh.
I do not understand the reds thinking at all. 2 years ago at this time they were a starting pitcher away from making the postseason and did nothing and missed by 2 games last week of the season.
This year they are a power bat away from not just making the playoffs but a deep run and they do this. The objective seems like it should have been to replace a current bat in the lineup with a better bat. Hayes career ops + is 87 and this year it is 60. Point of reference Espinal who has had the most at bats playing 3rd this year is also 86 for his career and 64 this year. Can someone on here please explain to me how this moves the needle?
It doesn’t.
I wouldn’t be shocked if Hayes can hit better in GABP and with a change of scenery, and at the very least you know you’re getting one of the best defenders in the league at third.
But this is still a huge overpay for the Reds in my mind — and that’s without including them taking on the rest of that money.
Solid pick up for Cincy
I’m surprised at the return for Pittsburg with the Reds taking the entire contract.
ITS PITTSBURGH NOT PITTSBURG…ARE YOU AN ILLEGAL ALIEN
Not an illegal alien. Apologies for the misspelling. At least I don’t type in all caps like a barbarian.
Im not barbarian. I just hate it when unintelligent people don’t know how to spell..especially cities
Do unintelligent people leave apostrophes out of contractions and use 2 dots in an ellipsis?
Its pronounced “shitsburgh” i thought?
there’s an H in the spelling of Pittsburgh
SMH
It’s ok. Calm down. You do remember Leveon Bell’s playing days here. Probably still believes he played in “Pissburgh”
He had quite a career after he left the Steelers.
Sort of like Brown.
Definitely do not like this move at all. He can’t hit. We need some hitters!
I also feel like since we got him on a long term contract that this is the only bat we will get before the end of the deadline. Career 86 ops + and in his prime at age 28 is 60 this year. Marte who should be our starting 3rd baseman after a horrible rookie season last year is 87 career ops + but at age 23 is 122 in limited at bats this year. So he is trending up.
Ok so maybe we move Marte to right field and sit Jake Fraley but his career ops plus is 103 and 110 this year. What bat in the current lineup does Hayes take to make our offense better? Even McLain who had a great rookie season followed by a disappointing season this year has a significantly better ops plus this year than Hayes. We got another Espinal except this one we are on the hook for longer and will pay him more.
creaky backs rarely get better but third base has been a black hole for the reds so having a black hole with elite defense is an improvement
Another great move by Cherington to help the Pirates in 2026. Always a great idea to help your division rival. Don’t see either player even helping in 2026. Shortstop is not MLB ready so I guess he conned us again.
2026? They won’t be competitive in 2028 with this group. Ship everyone
Apparently the Reds want to prolong their streak of dead money at 3B. Moustakas, Candelario, now Hayes.
This is definitely addition by subtraction for the Pirates and a great move by them
Not convinced Hayes will help them offensively at all.
I can’t comment on the prospects, but the $ is a reasonable gamble (especially how it is structured) for the Reds. I really like it for them. I would have liked the Mets to try and get him and a RP and then moving Vientos or Baty back could be a win/win for both clubs. Hopefully the Pirates can benefit too bc their fans deserve better than their trash ownership.
S.O.S. Me need power bat, not power glove. Meanwhile Buccos fans are resigned to high-fiving a solid win on a salary dump trade.
Cam Collier is trade bait now ?
Must be another trade in the works
reasonable deal for the pirates. I would’ve liked a reliever with control but really take what you can get and this isn’t horrible.
Never understood why the Pirates lavished all that money on a glove only guy. Looks like the Pirates finally came around to the same realization. Great move by Pittsburgh to get out of a bad contract completely.
For the Reds the move does nothing. Their offense is still short and Hayes will be no help at all there. Cincinnati may still sneak into a wild card, but this trade doesn’t make it any more likely.
when they gave him the contract Hayes had been hitting well and it wasn’t until last year when his back problems started bothering his offense that they began to think about trading him
The pirates just won the trade deadline! Seriously, getting a team to the that contract is going to be the biggest win
I value defense more than most, but a .290 slugging, 59 OPS+ and you have to pay $9M a year (less, but adding in buy out is $36/4). His defense gets him graded as a 1.2 WAR for the year, and over 14 for his career. I think the money is better soent somewhere else and that he is near negative value. Okay give up a RP if you really think he’ll help your team, but to also give up a young SS, second round draft pick who has done great at the lower levels he’s played at (drafted out of HS) does not make sense to me. Pirates did great, it’s the young kids, plus whatever they spend the new money on. Could be two decent RPs that you flip again for prospects this time next year. Reapeat and soon enough you might have a nice core of young controlable players. Reds, not sure I understand. You like his defense, fine, it will help your pitchers out and make their job much easier. Just feel like anybody could of had this guy for just taking on the bad contract. I mean, it’s been talked about as a bad contract by multiple outlets and podcasts. What say you?
Love this for the Pirates. Yes this is a salary dump but it’s not a salary dump on piece we could build with (like Reynolds or Keller) but on a piece that is consuming far too much for too little production. The best kind of salary dump. Excited to see what we do with this money in the offseason (hopefully being spent by a new GM).
Nothing like a broke team paying millions more, for another .230 bat, while you continue paying millions to players playing elsewhere. Then tell the fans the money’s not there for actual offensive help. Just raise the prices on the suckers next year, and rinse repeat on the process.
Hayes is all glove, no bat coming from a lifetime Pirates fan. He will just be a random trivia question/answer in the future – who broke Nolan Arenado consecutive gold glove streak at 3B from 2013 -2022 by winning the award in 2023?
Rogers probably gets flipped tomorrow. Makes too much for Pittsburgh, plus is a free agent this off-season and the Pirates aren’t contending in 2025 anyway…
Bad trade for the Pirates.
Cherrypicking cherrington loves his middle i fielders who can’t hit. He’s infatuated will ANALytics. Man needs fired. Also he needs nutjob nutting permission to trade bednar. All because he’s a local boy and does work for nutting charities. Which is a good thing, but you can’t keep a guy who needs to pitch for a winning team. You need to deal him for mlb hitting.
Note to Pirates brass. You signed this kid long term in a PR stunt to illustrate to your fan base that better times were ahead, that you’d turned the corner. You called Hayes “the cornerstone of the franchise” and hoped upon hope that he’d fulfill it with his performance
He didn’t
Hayes is emblematic of what a train wreck of an organization you are. Poor decisions. Worse player development.
Just how does this front office keep its jobs?
Another recent second round pick traded. Tyson Lewis better watch out, he is probably next.
Hayes is one of the more overrated players in MLB
Hayes’ Gold Glove for 2023 says you’re wrong
Back in the day, Hayes would have been a late inning defensive replacement. Nothing more.
Do the Pirates really need more middle infield prospects? Seems like that is what they get back in every deal.
No.
The Reds took the whole contract for a glove first 3rd baseman, could be a Gold-Glove. Hayes could reverse the hitting numbers in a new ballpark. I was shocked that they took the whole contract, the pitcher they gave up is a mid-inning reliever, the prospect won’t be there for at least 3 years, can’t forecast the future, but he was ranked 11th on the Cincy farm only time will tell. SO right now, on paper I give the Reds credit they have gotten a sure handed third baseman.
OK, not the blockbuster we had hoped for but a solid move anyway. Rogers contract was up and probably wouldn’t return. Sammy Stafura was a prospect that may or may not have worked out. Hayes immediately makes the defense better and will be here a while at a reasonable cost. Pitching and defense is a huge part of the game and we have it. We need a solid bat and we may not be done yet.
*phew* I was wondering how the Pirates were gonna handle their future payroll commitments.
Krall and company need to go. Why on earth would you waste money on a player that can’t hit? This trade is laughable.
Hayes may benefit from the change of scenery. This looks like an addition by subtraction for the Pirates. Hayes had become a negative influence for them.
That’s my guess as well. Had you asked about Hayes even just one year ago, PT would’ve hung up.
for what it’s worth, Hayes has a career .738 ops @GABP. nothing earth shattering, but not terrible.
If he can hit to a .738 OPS overall, he’ll be a very valuable player. I take it the Reds think a change in scenery/coaching might help him at the plate.
Seems stupid to me!? Where is major league hitter!
If only it was 1968 this would be a big upgrade.
If you are wanting to upgrade your infield defense then you need to move De La Cruz to center. But Hayes sure isn’t the big bat you were talking about.
Nick Krall is just not an MLB president. Trades away Suarez after a bad year. It turned out to be one of the best contracts in baseball. He got NOTHING in return. Later signs Candelario to take 3rd. Worst contract in baseball. Now he picks up another bad contract to fix the 3B hole. Just one bumbling move after another. The REDTARDS are now paying Hayes and Candelario millions at one position and there is still no production and team has issues scoring enough runs to do anything significant other than to maybe get a wildcard. BUMS
Reds are doomed. It just doesn’t make any sense unless they’re trading Marte, and if they’re trading Marte, then they’re sellers and not buyers. So dumb.
They moved Marte to RF
At this rate, they’ll be lucky to even get a wild card.
Reds are paying +$26MM this season for the 3B position, same what Giants are paying Matt Chapman.
I hear a bunch of crying and whining. Sammy Stafura wasn’t going to amount to much and Rogers low ERA was very deceptive. Now the Reds have a gold glove winning 3rd baseman to take the heat off the human error machine called Elly DeLaCruz. I would bet the combination of a better hitters stadium and a competitive team will boost this guy’s game a lot. The Reds were never giving up CES, Petty, and Rece Hinds for Suarez. It’s to expensive when you’re hanging on to your playoff hopes by your fingernails. A 2 month rental for 3-4 players, no thank you.
Its not about Stafura its about picking up one of the worst hitters in the sport that’s signed up for the rest of the decade. TERRIBLE. Just one bad move after another is the problem here. And unless you have a crystal ball how do you know a kid with an .800 ops will not amount to anything? Seems to be on the right track to me.
Pirates need to be sold or moved . Bad trade . But then again Hayes’ will not get better at batting due to his back ; he may need to retire early due to spine disc and degenerative disease
I don’t like this move, we need a power bat now less bullpen.
Yes stupid move, by Ben!
And the Reds went dumpster diving……
I bet the Reds turn his bat around. He looked so good when he first came up.
Trade dudline.
Great defensive pickup, definitely not a dumpster dive. Not what I was looking for but I like defense. Marte to right field at least against righties. I don’t particularly care about the prospect they traded too far away. This is help for now but another deal is coming.
Ps, for 36 mil I hope they can help the bat some.
Definitely a dumpster dive, we already have Espinal thats an easy out dont need another.
I doubt it. Someone like McLain really his 2nd season after a good first season or even CES at age 25 could turn their bat around but this guy has been playing everyday for 6 years at age 28 which is about the peak of production. If we’re ever going to be a decent hitter would have showed up by now. Even his best offensive season he was right at average by ops + and last 2 years he has been horrible offensively. He is what he is at this point.
When you have a bad back, generating the torque from your back to get the right bat speed is excruciatingly difficult
Yea I feel sorry for poor millionaire!! Complete dump by Pirates! Poor Pirate fans ,terrible here go again!Ramirez to Cubs!? Mlb needs to do something!
Pirates are lucky they escaped that contract.
Oh yes, how could the Pirates ever afford to pay $7.5M/yr for 4 more years? 80% of the team makes the league minimum.
The contract isnt some albatross, but Hayes to this point hasnt outplayed the money being earned.
Nothing like winning 5 in a row and 8 of 9 and selling. Too little too late! God it sucks being a Pirate fan
This deal baffles me????
I wouldn’t even trade Rogers for him straight up let alone a top 10 organizational prospect. Especially to a rival.
He is injury prone and has no power. Now they have him for three more seasons. Elly could move to third if they were that desperate for a third baseman.
Feels like they are making a move just to make a move which is reckless.
Agree. A useless move. Stafura doesn’t make us better now in the middle of a playoff chase but neither does Hayes. Anybody that has watched this year knows the one thing we have been lacking is offense in general and a power bat in particular. How many times have we been shut out. As of a month ago I think it was 9 times and leading the league at that point. But hey he is a gold glove guy with a career 86 ops+. We can bat him 9th like we can Espinal, benson and McLain. Who needs someone that can drive in 100 runs batting in the middle of the order when they can have a guy batting 9th driving in 30 runs a year and saving 30 runs playing gold glove defense?
I like this deal, but they still need a power bat 1B or DH….having a solid defender at the hot corner is a huge get plus it gets Marte a path to grow as an OFer which all along I think they feel he’s best suited especially with their system over abundance of infielders…as for the pitching need I easily see how a clutch reliever should be the acquisition but I’m starting to think Martinez maybe that guy and see if they can get another starter since Burns is on an innings count and health of Lodolo and Greene is always tricky to rely on….
Steer, our current first baseman had an 8th inning go ahead 3 run triple tonight that won the game. Marte has played infield his entire life to this point and from what I have seen handles 3rd base adequately from a defensive standpoint. You do realize in a day and age where most owners of the 4 major professional sports teams are billionaires that we have owners that consistently rank as poorest in not just MLB but all major professional sports. I hope I am wrong but I don’t think another deal tomorrow taking on a big salary this year is forthcoming.
An even bigger concern is that with paying Candelario $15 million not to play next year and now Hayes over $8 million a year salary the next 4 years will keep us from signing what we need in the free agent market this coming offseason. A power hitter like Schwarber who will be a free agent, or Suarez who was available now could take this team from pretty good or almost good enough to make the post season to very good and good enough to make a deep post season run.
True, but having an actual top tier defender at third not only stops the glaring defensive woes but moves Marte to the outfield where it was said that the Reds hinted as their desire for him to switch…also, I know they need a power bat one would assume they make another deal to get….and yes I really don’t care how much money is on their books I’m just a fan that wants them to win no sympathy for the billion dollar owners
I’m flabbergasted that the Pirates got more than a stale pierogi for Hayes.
No article yet. Reds have acquired pitcher Zack Littel from the Rays. Per Jeff Passan on X
Hayes looked like he was going through the motions this season. Was hurt last year. Doesn’t seem far fetched to see the OPS go back to around 700 with a fresh start. Never gonna be much better than that but definitely will be better than now. It was time for the pirates and him to part ways though
He’s looked that way his entire time here, to be honest.