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Ben Cherington To Remain Pirates GM In 2026

By Nick Deeds | September 29, 2025 at 6:03pm CDT

Pirates GM Ben Cherington told reporters (including Alex Stumpf of MLB.com) earlier this afternoon that he has “received assurance” that he’ll remain in his current role with the club going forward. Cherington’s contract with the club runs through the 2027 campaign, as was reported last week.

The news that Cherington is remaining in the organization doesn’t register as a massive surprise after news broke earlier today that the Pirates were signing manager Don Kelly to a contract extension after he took over for Derek Shelton back in May. While Pittsburgh’s 71-91 record this year is impossible to view as anything other than a major disappointment, the team went 59-65 under Kelly. That’s still six games below .500, but the club’s .476 winning percentage under Kelly would be their best since 2018 if carried across a full season.

That stat makes it easy enough to understand why Pirates ownership would think it worthwhile to see how a full season of the partnership between Kelly and Cherington would look, but it also highlights the fact that the team’s issues run deeper than leadership in the front office or dugout. Cherington will begin his sixth year at the helm of Pittsburgh’s baseball operations department in November, and while the team hasn’t had much success during his time at the helm those struggles must be viewed through the lens of the budget he’s had to work with throughout his tenure.

RosterResource estimates the club’s payroll at $87MM this year, more or less identical to the club’s 2024 payroll. While the organization ran payrolls between $90MM and $100MM from 2015 to 2017 according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts, they began steadily dropping in 2018 before the trend line started to reverse in 2023. Even if the team’s payroll got back up to the $100MM range, however, that would still leave them as a bottom-five team in the sport by payroll (according to RosterResource). That would be a modest improvement over their current bottom-three status, but wouldn’t change the organization’s reputation as a financial bottom-feeder.

Of course, it should be noted that even getting out of that bottom-three range and back into the territory of around $100MM does not seem likely at this juncture. Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the team’s payroll isn’t expected to go up much in 2026, if it does at all, and that it might even wind up lower than it was in 2025 after attendance dropped this year relative to last season.

Fortunately, that still leaves some room to maneuver given that the team has just $31MM on the books for next year between the contracts Bryan Reynolds and Mitch Keller are currently signed to. That doesn’t include arbitration raises for players like Johan Oviedo and Joey Bart, not to mention Oneil Cruz’s first arbitration-level salary, however. It also doesn’t include the roughly $19MM the club would be spending even if the roster is filled out with players on the major league minimum. That could leave Cherington’s front office with around $25MM or less to work with as they try to build an offensive nucleus that can support Paul Skenes and the rest of the team’s young pitchers.

It’s not a lot to work with in a market where the majority of above-average regulars command eight figure salaries. With those constraints, it seems likely that Cherington will have to lean on the club’s highly-rated farm system to execute trades and bring in big league talent without having to dip into free agency in a substantial way. That’s how the club acquired its top bat of 2025, as Spencer Horwitz came to the Pirates in a trade where they surrendered right-hander Luis Ortiz and posted a strong 119 wRC+ in 108 games as the team’s everyday first baseman. Another successful trade or two like that could go a long way to creating the offense needed to get the Pirates back into playoff contention, though that of course will surely be easier said than done.

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  1. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    If there’s a God, he’s not a Pirates fan.

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    • Unclemike1526

      2 months ago

      MLB- I was gonna say I bet the Bucs fans are happy as clams today.

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      • AI GM

        2 months ago

        I’m happy. Would say it’s excellent news but they already told us a week ago so not new news.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          You wanted him fired three weeks ago.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          No I was letting Yorke decide his fate.

          3 weeks ago I didn’t know he had 2 more years left. That’s just too much $ to throw away.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          It evidently is to Nutting.
          But he did that before with both Huntington and Hurdle and they were both signed for two more years.
          You were right.
          Nutting is the problem.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          They rebuilt after they fired them. Do you want to rebuild again? Probably not. And they don’t need to. And couldn’t anyways. But yeah new gm could trade Keller. Salary dump trade Reynolds and not sign any free agents and that would pay for new executives. Wouldn’t be a rebuild just another 70 some win team. Nutting is probably thinking if he thinks that the $ could be used on free agents instead.

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        • Heels On The Field

          2 months ago

          The Pirates do not have a lineup. That __is__ the reason a team rebuilds.

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        • panj341

          1 month ago

          Heels
          Looking at the lineups and batting stats of the playoff teams. The Pirates don’t need just a bat or two or three. They have a couple of decent hitters but even those have very little HR power,

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    • shosho

      2 months ago

      I’d guess He’s not a fan of professional sports in general.

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      • pohle

        2 months ago

        you must have a hateful god

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    • rondon

      2 months ago

      I get that Pirate fans are pissed. But honestly, with that payroll, could someone else who’s a proven GM do much better? Maybe.. But it would take a ton of draft luck and at least a couple of mid tier FAs having career years.

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      • mlb1225

        2 months ago

        Neal Huntington made 3 Wild Cards and had 4 winning seasons with a similar payroll and the same owner. Ben Cherington has been GM since November 2019, and has had 5 full MLB and MILB seasons to find and develop some hitters on his own. You know what he has to show from it? Spencer Horwitz, and that’s about it. He, along with Joey Bart are the only players Ben himself acquired via trade, draft, signing, or otherwise to put up an OPS+ of at least 100 in 100 or more games with the Pirates. Yeah, Bob is a problem, you’re not gonna see any one deny that. But Ben can’t develop a hitter if his family’s life depended on it.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          MLB- A++++ post.

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        • holecamels35

          2 months ago

          Agreed!! You know what you’re getting into signing on to be the GM here. It’s not New York or LA. Not gonna be a ton of money to work with. Need a pipeline of good cheap players to keep the team running well like Cincy, Milwaukee, Tampa, Cleveland. They’ve proven they can be relevant more often than not. I think they might be on the right track but it’s just going way too slow and time is running out.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 months ago

          @MLB Huntington had a payroll of $88M 10 years ago compared to the current $75M. Let’s be real those are not similar payrolls…

          He also benefited from inheriting McCutchen and Marte who were the driving force of those teams. So giving Huntington all the credit is simply not reality.

          Huntington also was the architect of the Archer trade. That trade alone set true MiLB development back 1-2 years.

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        • ThatsIT?

          2 months ago

          Fans of small market teams always seem to forget about results of drafting and developing. Not sure why because that’s the only way small market teams can succeed. If you’re gm can’t draft or develop well what makes you think he could effectively spend money in free agency?

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        • TheMan 3

          2 months ago

          you seem to think that Pirate fans aren’t educated enough to understand that the draft and player development are key factors in becoming a competitive team.
          Apparently you haven’t been paying attention on the Pirates comments over the past several years

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        • Heels On The Field

          2 months ago

          Cherington. has a superstar franchise player on the way, but why is he the first such draft attempt by Cherington?

          Because Bob Nutting won’t even sign one front line starting pitcher since his payroll is the biggest bloodsucking scam in MLB and that one pitcher would represent a third or more of the payroll.

          Pirates went right back to using top draft picks on pitchers this year.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          1 month ago

          Huntington didn’t do well in the drafts. He did poorly at development as well. What NH did do well was finding cheap veterans who were still capable of playing well and took gambles on them.

          Huntington also had more money than Cherington if you, and you should, include inflation. Nutting spent money for a few seasons then had NH tear the whole thing down even though the team had just won 98 games.

          The $100MM in 2015 payroll is worth how much today?
          $137MM.

          I’m not defending Cherington. But Nutting is spending less money today than he did over a decade ago.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          1 month ago

          That is because they actually had a very good team in 2015.
          Free agent classes are like drafts.There may or may not be appropriate players to sign and who wants to come to Pittsburgh anyway?
          It is up to the GM of a small market team to develop players and Cherington has been an absolute failure at developing hitters.
          It is up to the owner to fire the GM when after six years the team has barely improved.
          Both are failures.

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        • mlb1225

          1 month ago

          @Heels Yeah, and this year’s draft class kinda sucked when it came to position players outside of Ethan Holliday. Seth Hernandez was a massive steal where they drafted him. Passing him up because fans wanted to draft Aiva Arquette would have been a disaster.

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      • Mendoza Line 215

        2 months ago

        Rondon- Huntington became an excellent trader after his first 2-3 years.
        Cherington has made one good trade and that was partially because the pitcher is probably going to be banned from baseball and maybe for life.
        There are a hundred reasons why this guy should be demoted to being in charge of scouting as that is his level of expertise.
        There is also a reason why basically all Pirate fans except possibly one want him gone.
        Nutting fired Huntington with two years left on his contract and he had done a much better job than this guy.
        Nutting probably just wants to save money by paying him to do no work.
        Just demote him for two years.

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        • mlb1225

          2 months ago

          Huntington wasn’t perfect, especially in his last few years with the Pirates. Tons of problems when it came to developing pitchers under Huntington. But at least he tried. The best I’m hoping for is an offseason like 2015-2016. The Pirates added David Freese, John Jaso, and Matt Joyce. Superstars? Absolutley not, but solid role players and above-average hitters? 100%.

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        • Chrome 8550

          2 months ago

          Josh hartle was in that trade that went to the guardians. A lefthand starter at low a was named top minor league pitcher in that league. Thanks pirates !

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          You can get 2 or 3 Hartle in every draft. Nice to have and good return at time. But Pirates have pitching. Got a 1b for 6 minimum wage years vs having to spend 12 million for 1 year of a 40 year old.

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        • mlb1225

          2 months ago

          I liked Hartle a lot, but he hasn’t even pitched a dozen innings above High-A.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 months ago

      mlb – Who is the one that brought Skenes to the Pirates? God, of course.

      2022 was the first year a lottery was implemented (for the 2023 draft). If it had been just one year later, Skenes would be a Nat as Washington had 7 more losses that year.

      The Athletics had the same lottery odds as the Pirates and Nats that year, and yet the Pirates won it.

      I just wanted to give God credit where credit is due ;O)

      If he wasn’t a fan of the Pirates, instead of Skenes they would have gotten another Henry Davis. LOL

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      • TheMan 3

        2 months ago

        drafting Skenes was a no brainer.
        My 5 year old Havanese would have drafted him too and he doesn’t even speak.

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        • mlb1225

          1 month ago

          Skenes was 100% not a no-brainer at the time. Dylan Crews and Wyatt Langford both had insane years in 2023 and were considered two of the best positon players to ever be in a draft class. Baseball America even ranked Crews ahead of Skenes, and had Langford going first overall in their final mock drafts.

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      • Heels On The Field

        2 months ago

        The Pirates should have traded Skenes to Boston for position talent before they acquired Crochet. With all those years of control they might have pried away Roman Anthony. Could have gotten a definite uptick in talent than what Chicago got.

        Until the Pirates draft Lineup First they aren’t going anywhere.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          Heels – The package Chicago got for Crochet would have been a fair deal for Skenes. Teel is that good, and Montgomery/Meidroth/Gonzalez were also highly rated.

          Mayer or Campbell & Teel with Gonzalez would have also been a fair deal for Skenes. Campbell is still highly valued, he just was grossly mismanaged this year.

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    • wvsteve

      2 months ago

      Definitely not a pirates fans fan

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    • smrtbusnisman04a

      1 month ago

      The surge of Spencer Horwitz saved his tenure

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  2. Simm

    2 months ago

    They should 100% trade skenes for a massive haul.

    No signs they will compete while he is there. Getting back a haul Is the only way I can see this cheap owner ever winning.

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    • bucsfan0004

      2 months ago

      I don’t trust Cherington to make such a trade. So watching Skenes on a losing team in ’26 will have to do.

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      • Simm

        2 months ago

        Fair point

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      • AI GM

        2 months ago

        They can trade Skenes for a massive haul in 2 years so no need to do it now.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          When Cherington really is gone.

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        2 months ago

        Cherington would somehow find a way to get a Luka Doncic return for skenes to send him to LAD

        He would probably do Comp balance pick and daulton rushing and say that he acquired a generational talent

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    • Poolhalljunkies

      2 months ago

      What makes you think that massive haul is even out there? Id argue no team would meet the understandably “massive” price as even having the best pitcher on the planet guarantees nothing….and it would take alot more than prospects to get him the padres soto deal isn’t even a starter imo since none of those guys were much of anything at that time

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      • 920falcon

        2 months ago

        Preller would. Never count Preller out.

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        • Baltimore_44

          1 month ago

          Preller doesn’t have the massive haul to trade away anymore.

          De Vries was his last elite prospect. Salas will be one of the best defensive catchers in baseball but he can’t hit. Mayfield and Schoolcraft are good prospects but they’re both pitchers who are years away.

          None of that helps Pittsburgh.

          That doesn’t compare to say the Mets. Who could give the Pirates a roster of position players. Benge, Jett Williams, Baty, Vientos, Mauricio. Plus they could send back pitching prospects like Tong and Sproat. Preller couldn’t compete with that today.

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    • GO1962

      2 months ago

      Trading Skenes for a massive haul would only create a worse situation, because then Mr. Nuttig would be stuck with several talented players who would expect to be paid alot of money. At least with Skenes, he is only one player to cause a payroll headache.

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      • grizzled sports vet

        2 months ago

        I 100% agree. I have been saying the same thing since it was first brought up about trading Skenes. The players coming back in a trade would all be traded again before Nutting would have to pay them market value. And that’s assuming those players pan out. It’s a no win situation as long as he or any other profit-hoarding miser owns the team.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 months ago

      He’s about the only attraction for Pirates fans. Why would competing be on the agenda all of a sudden? My bar-napkin cost-benefit analysis is to keep Skenes to remain profitable in the short-term. The prospects return in a trade are no guarantees.

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      • Mendoza Line 215

        2 months ago

        This is a moot point because there are maybe only two or three teams that could pony up six high level minor league and near ready MLB players for Skenes.Also, he can only pitch every five days.
        Hopefully,he will get the inevitable arm injuries after his career is mostly finished as has happened to Gerrit Cole.
        And minor league players are suspects until they prove that they are ML players.

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    • TheMan 3

      2 months ago

      The Washington trade of Soto brought back a slew of players and none are worth a penny
      Trading for multiple players doesn’t always work out for the trading team
      Cherington is horrible at making trades

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      • Simm

        2 months ago

        It works out if the guy making the trades also has the ability to draft. Trade alone won’t do it and that’s been a lot of the issues for the Nats.

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      • mlb1225

        2 months ago

        Well James Wood, CJ Abrams, and Mackenzie Gore are definitley worth more than a penny. But I agree it doesn’t always work out for the team trading the superstar. The Soto trade may have worked out extremely well for the Nats, but it’s been about the only thing that has worked out well for them since winning the 2019 WS. This year, they had a worse record than the Pirates, were bottom ten in mid-season farm rankings, and only one of their first round picks since 2016 has put up positive bWAR. Not that the Nats are a Juan Soto away from contending or anything, however.

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        • GO1962

          2 months ago

          Yes, it doesn’t always work out to trade a star player for a massive haul of prospects. Just ask one of those 309 Marlins fans out there about the haul of players the Marlins received for Yelich. Then again, maybe you should not ask because it would cause the Marlins fan to feel anger and trauma.

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        • holecamels35

          2 months ago

          Jordan Yamamoto is gonna break out, just wait.

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      • alwaysgo4two

        2 months ago

        Huh? Woods, 31hrs Abrams, 19hrs, Gore, talented lefty. Excellent value for a player who got too expensive.

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      • Off_Score13

        2 months ago

        “The Washington trade of Soto brought back a slew of players and none are worth a penny”

        Do you even watch baseball? The Pirates shouldn’t trade Skenes, but to act like the Nats didn’t get anything back for Soto is pure ignorance. Wood, Abrams, and Gore were all 3+ WAR players. Wood and Gore were All-Stars this year, and Abrams was last year.

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    • TheMan 3

      2 months ago

      the Yankees offered their two top prospects for Skenes and Ben said no

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      • paosfan

        2 months ago

        As they should. Yanks prospects are overrated and 2 isn’t near enough. You would need 5 to 8 with most if not all on a top 100 list.

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    • Steelers 6x

      2 months ago

      Don’t do a dang thing until we know how the next CBA shakes out. Somehow, some way there is going to be some for of salary restructuring. It may take two years without baseball but you’d hate to give him up and find out the Dodgers can’t fit him in.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        2 months ago

        That’s wishful thinking while understanding your perpective as a Pirates fan. Neither side wants a work stoppage and lose money. Worst to come out of the next CBA talks is the status quo and play ball.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          The players will sit out the whole year on principle if the big market teams join with the small market teams on standing firm on a salary cap.
          Harper was representative of the players union.

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        • mlb1225

          2 months ago

          Not gonna lie, I’d much rather sit out half, or even all of a 2027 season instead of watching the Pirates waste another year of Paul Skenes. The best hope is that MLB teams and players see where the game currently is at. MLB attendance came in at 29,386 per game. which is the highest it has been at since 2017. It’s rebounded tremendously from COVID, when it came in at 18,651 in 2021, and 26,559 in 2022. MLB also reached a high in revenue last year at $12.1 billion. Things are trending upward for the sport. Do you really want to ruin that over a salary cap and salary floor, both of which would likely add even more competition to the game?

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        • geofft

          2 months ago

          YBC… No, the worst that could come out of it is the CBA becomes more restrictive and adds heavier penalties to spending, causing other teams who might trade for Skenes to hold n to their own basket of prospects, rather than add a guy who is heading for record, or at least near-record arbitration salaries.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Just a negotiating ploy. If owners really wanted a cap they would make it so the players would demand it. You would think. Most the owners are pretty stupid so maybe the do want one and are doing it this way. Awful move but wouldn’t be surprising.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          2 months ago

          Both sides are going to play their court of public opinion cards as usual. Players are willing to concede to spread the wealth if they get their fair share of the MLB revenue pie. Businessmen owners don’t want to give them that for obvious reasons. Salary floors and caps aren’t out of the question but it has to scale for players based on revenues.

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        • Simm

          2 months ago

          It’s all about two things. One the size of the pool being greater than it currently is. I’m not sure what the total mlb salaries were this year but the number would have to go up at a decent percentage to get the players to even listen.

          Second issue is the top top free agents may have issues being able to get the super monstrous contract because the teams don’t want to tie up such a big amount of their payroll to a single player. This isn’t the nfl (QB) or the NBA where one player can carry a team. At least not at the same difference making level.

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        • brodie-bruce

          2 months ago

          @ybc

          While on paper a hard cap and floor should improve parity and competition, in reality I don’t think it changes much. your nyy and lad tier teams will spend to the cap your mid teams will improve a bit but teams like the a’s and pit will spend only what they have to until there is new ownership. I’ve noticed the same trend in the other sports that have caps some teams spend to win and some for the paycheck.

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    • Heels On The Field

      2 months ago

      POSITION talent only.

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    • Another Dodgers Fan

      1 month ago

      As a Dodgers fan in all for it.

      As a baseball fan I just hope they can provide the man with some help. Pirate fans have been loyal and suffered through this cheap owners antics.

      While the Dodgers are huge spenders now, we had to deal with notoriously cheap ownership for quite a while. I hope their situation improves somehow.

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  3. Quinnap89

    2 months ago

    Why

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    • LordD99

      2 months ago

      Because.

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  4. solaris602

    2 months ago

    I seriously doubt that any Pirates fan out there is even neutral on the news that Cherington is staying put. This means that there is no reason to expect any different result than he’s produced since taking over. Dark days behind and ahead for this organization.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      I’m thrilled he is back.

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        2 months ago

        You need a name change again. I can come up with a few. How about GMofNightmares?

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    • Jim Bibby

      2 months ago

      I’m good w/him returning.
      They have elite pitching and plenty of it to trade. Need 4 bats, but KG is one of them. Also have 30M to buy a few FA rentals.

      They also have #2 farm system according to BA and have 2 extra picks this draft plus #3 odds of 1st overall. Almost all of their top guys are signed until at least 2029. Some until 2031+ like Bubba, Ashcraft and KG.

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      • mlb1225

        2 months ago

        That’s a lot of hoping Ben pushes the right buttons, and for most of the last 5 years, he hasn’t when it comes to hitters. I’m about as optimisic as a Pirates fan can be, but I’m fully expecting 3 or 4 hitters who end up putting up an OPS hovering around .670-.700.

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      • hoof hearted

        2 months ago

        They don’t have elite pitching. They have an “elite pitcher” and some good young, mostly unproven pitchers(short resumes). Trading those pitchers should be plan Z.
        Add acouple of bats that can hit .265+/12-14 HR’s/65 rbis+.
        They need to add some punch to the ‘O’. IKF and pham were short of that mark.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          And this might get them to 500.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Pitchers don’t have to be proven. One can see their talent easily and know what it will do vs MLB bats. There’s zero questions about pirates pitching from anyone who knows anything about pitching.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          2 months ago

          Pitching means less than ever if we are talking starters. These guys go 5 innings. Then what? Yeah, they have a potentially great starting pitching staff. So what?
          They still have no hitting and this ownership won’t opt to bring anyone in

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        • TheMan 3

          2 months ago

          Ashcraft, Burrows, Chandler, Skenes, Oviedo, Keller and at some point next season, Jones
          I will go out on a limb and say they have an elite pitching staff

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        • TheMan 3

          2 months ago

          come on, Tired, everyone knows that this franchise is hoping for 2-0 or 3-0 wins.
          Who needs offense when you have elite pitching?

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          2 months ago

          I get that they led the league in shut outs
          Wonderful
          They were among the leaders in teams being shut out, too
          Hey, I’m ok with a .500 team that hustles. The Pirates as is are neither

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        • hoof hearted

          1 month ago

          Jimmy-
          Many said M’s have an elite pitching staff. How’d that go this year? 3/5 on the iL 1st part of season. Your saying some of these SP(pitt) are elite cuz they hada good part of their 1st or 2nd year.
          Were u one of those proclaiming Chris Bryant a future HoF after only 3his 3rd year.
          -Keller? Come on, really? Maybe a #3 on a deep staff.
          -Oveido- 40inn. Last year, middlin #s even for being a pirate.
          Burrows- 1st year
          Mod- reliever w/ spot stars. .265 avg against. We’ll see

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        • mlb1225

          1 month ago

          -Keller being a #3 on a deep staff does not mean he’s not a good pitcher. Fifth most games started, only one of eight to make 120 starts with a 100+ ERA+ and FIP under 4.00 since 2022.

          -Oviedo made a ton of mechanical changes this year that helped him out a lot.

          -May have been Burrows’ first year, but it was the first time he pitched more than 100 innings in a season in his career, and he did it it with above-average numbers

          -Mlodzinski still put up a 3.55 ERA and 3.33 FIP. His BA aganist after gettin recalled in June was .229.

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    • Mendoza Line 215

      2 months ago

      There is evidently only one who is thrilled that he is back.
      The dark days are gone.
      But the bright days are not here.
      My sunny one shines so sincere.
      It will be like Groundhog Day next year and Cherington will finally be fired because Nutting will only have to pay him for one more year at that point.
      He will make another couple of bad trades.
      They will improve though.
      They will get back up to 76 wins that Shelton had them on for two years.

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      • AI GM

        2 months ago

        Bright eyes still hasn’t figured out Cherington wasn’t trying first 3 years. Joe Santana Grandpal Cutch Horwitz all fine hitters. Choice was the few days he was healthy. Rowdy hit like all star for 3 months in row.

        He has the prospects now. The pressure to do something. Could be good could be ugly. We will see.

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        • TheMan 3

          2 months ago

          if Ben wasn’t trying for his first 3 years he should have been fired for incompetence

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Instead he got extended

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        2 months ago

        I’m ready to go for four straight years of being right in predictions of wins. It’s my claim to fame, the Jimmy the Greek of Pirates baseball
        Sorry Mendoza, but if this is their roster going forward, it won’t be 76 wins
        But I’ll wait until Bradenton and Nutting’s annual “losing is unacceptable” interview. This no doubt will come after he buys more north side property in hopes of drawing more young people to the PNC Park “destination area”
        It’s a sick joke that this guy keeps playing. Even the players know it

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          You missed it by 1!
          You are a fine prognosticator but the best record that you hold is the number of name changes that you have gone through.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          2 months ago

          Yep. You’re right. But this one fits me. Think I’ll keep it

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          76 wins! That’s improvement. Maybe Cherington gets 2027 as well.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          2 months ago

          As is right now. With no changes of significance ?
          71-73 again. At best

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  5. Nutting$Wallet

    2 months ago

    This is so Pirates. Jebus

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  6. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    Pirates had the 5th most games this year where the pitching allowed three or fewer earned runs. They also had the 4th most games where the offense scored 3 or fewer runs.

    Ben isn’t gonna fix this. I’m fully expecting 3 free agents who put up a .670 OPS while in Pittsburgh, and another season of a fun pitching staff, but absymal offense.

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  7. TeodosioFan

    2 months ago

    Good decision, considering that signing either Bellinger or Grisham is the 1 piece they need to be back into contention and if they signed both, it would basically be an automatic wildcard berth at the minimum.

    The Belli and Trent situations should be as much blank check/Brinks trucks situations as there have ever been in the history of MLB. Should just basically give them whatever contracts and perks they want to sign them. If they want private box suites for life and private air travel for life and to be in private hotel suites with private security barricaded from the rest of the teams for life, just give them the stupid box suites, hotels, security, etc. Don’t make the same misstep the Yankees made with Juan.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      One of the best decision Yankees ever made not signing Soto.

      Pirates need to extend Skenes Bubba KG. Not waste $ on bloated mercenary contracts.

      Let another team pay Bellinger for his fake stats. If Grisham gets QO it will cost Pirates 2 round pick.

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    • Mendoza Line 215

      2 months ago

      Fan-What real difference did Soto make for the Mets this year?
      Are your Yankees in the playoffs?

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  8. notagiantsfan

    2 months ago

    Im one of those weird NL Central fans who hope someday the Pirates get to have success in baseball again one day. The diminshing season ticket holders deserve it. But in a world where Rocco Baldelli had to take the hit for what probably was ownership decisions, how the frack does Ben Cherington not have to hit for the debacle in Pittsburgh, where he is far more accountable than Baldelli was in MN.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Cherington had 2 more years left and isn’t bad enough to pay him to sit at home.

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    • Mendoza Line 215

      2 months ago

      It is because Nutting is even dumber and cheaper that the Pohlad family who at least went for it for several years.

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  9. Kirklejerk

    2 months ago

    The haircut in the article picture is enough to fire him. Like Aang if he went into accounting rather than air bending.

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  10. RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

    2 months ago

    And Bucs world goes mild.

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    • Mendoza Line 215

      2 months ago

      And the Mets world goes wild.

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        2 months ago

        Hey, they at least brought their manager back.
        Couldn’t happen to a nicer fan base

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  11. Goose

    2 months ago

    Cherrington has some nice kids coming up. You have to hope the crappy owner wakes up and starts putting some money into the team. Skenes and Chandler look like a great 1 – 2 punch.

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    • bigdaddyk

      2 months ago

      Cherrington had 20 million to spend and signed Pham has hit impact bat. He has lost on every trade he has made.
      If they trade Keller they can have 50 million to spend just to get to 80 million do you think he can get a decent bat back for Keller and sign 2 impact bats to go with Griffin whose on a bobby whit trajectory. Can they get Reynolds Cruz back on track. Spencer might be a Kevin Young type at 1st and Nick is fine at 2nd need a 3rd and LF

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      • TheMan 3

        2 months ago

        Cherington was given $20 million to add bats to the roster and instead used most to his failed analytics program

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          2 months ago

          Careful. You’ll upset Bright Eyes. I’m sure he and fellow analytic brethren will soon be here to tell us the franchise is close to competing.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          1 month ago

          Because the top bats AND the middle tier all want multi year contracts which is a language that Nutting does not speak???

          Perhaps???

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        • panj341

          1 month ago

          great white angus
          Totally agree , when you are only offering 1 year contracts you are only getting players that everyone else has passed on. Normally these are bounce back players who often don’t bounce back to previous levels especially if they are older players.

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  12. SuperDuper

    2 months ago

    Well, this is downright unpleasant.

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  13. alstott40

    2 months ago

    another wasted skenes year .. hopefully cherington will set him free

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    • Heels On The Field

      2 months ago

      NUTTING, not Cherington.

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  14. WashedUpOldTimer

    2 months ago

    His failure to deliver one impact position player from his farm system was ground enough for removal. But let’s face it, as long as Hillbilly Bob owns the Pirates, the bottom line here will be increasing profits for he and his family.
    Nothing more.
    Nutting is the worst owner in all of professional sports, bar none
    I liked the title of a PG article yesterday about 2025. “The Pirates knew they were doomed from the start”
    They can use that same line for 2026, right now

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    • Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher

      2 months ago

      Nutting should just sell the team. He’ll make a huge profit, and maybe whoever buys the team will spend some cheese and produce some winning baseball.

      Been to more than a dozen MLB ballparks and PNC is by far the best. Simply beautiful. That stadium deserves a team just as beautiful.

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        2 months ago

        But as Mark Cuban has repeatedly said, he’d be crazy to sell. It’s a steady stream of huge profits year after year
        Agreed about PNC. It is *the* selling point for this franchise. The experience. The ballpark. The food and drink. The atmosphere. Pierogi races. Hot dog/cheap T-shirt launches. Fireworks nights. Bring your dog to the ballpark nights.
        And one of the worst teams in MLB

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  15. Windowpane

    2 months ago

    Attendance was down. Nutting will still pocket his $69 million in profit by just reducing payroll again. He can’t believe making this kind of money is this easy!

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 months ago

      He better not spend all of it himself and save up some before the players threaten to file a grievance like they did with the A’s.

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      • TheMan 3

        2 months ago

        It’s already been done against Nutting and he won that battle

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  16. Kewldude69

    2 months ago

    Haters love to say that the Dodgers spending is what’s wrong with baseball. But as long as it’s legal, hell yeah I’m happy that my team spends and actually wants to win. Because in reality, the Pirates and their minuscule payroll is what’s really wrong with the game.

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    • Yanks4life22

      2 months ago

      I mean I’d rather not be used by a system as tax dollars are funneled at an absurd rate to the elite by the billions through a corrupt political system using sports franchises as their fronts but sure I guess I’m happy these guys can afford the insurance on their Ferraris and mansions.

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    • Mendoza Line 215

      2 months ago

      What is wrong with the game is the ridiculous prices for seats and food such that many with families cannot afford to go.
      Fans do not have a seat at the bargaining table.
      Yes,I hear that the sport is gaining attendance but eventually people will be tired of paying ludicrous prices to watch multi millionaires play for multi billionaires..

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      • AI GM

        2 months ago

        Reds had $8 tickets. Is there still the ballpark app? Go to as many games as you want for $40 $50 $80 whatever a month? Fees might get you but I don’t think it’s out of reach.

        You can eat before and after game or even bring your own food unless they changed it.

        Concerts and movie theater is a different story. I heard their prices went up huge.

        I dunno know. Once I got my own house I stopped going anywhere. I can watch movies for free. Throw way better parties than any club. Everyone has a big awesome tv surround sound. Almost ice cold beer or my choice with no cutoff time. Better liquor and ingredients than any bar. Have dj band play what I want. Even dj myself.

        You guys probably haven’t been clubbing in awhile but they suck. It’s like everywhere else. People just on phones sitting around. You can’t stand because that means you don’t have a table. That means your chance of getting lucky went from 3 percent to 0. 70s 80s 90s even 2000s movies shows make clubs look awesome. Concerts same way. Concerts still ok but everyone is just holding a phone up. I imagine movie theaters have a phone problem but haven’t been to one since parents forced me to go. No idea how they stay open. Or clubs. Concerts I get but think they are heading towards pricing themselves out. Baseball seems like one of the better values. Can even see a concert with your game few times a year. Fireworks! A perogies race!

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          You are talking small market teams.
          But who wants to see the Pirates unless Skenes is pitching.
          I am talking about all the other teams and parents with kids who love baseball but have to spend $250 per game for a family of four.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          250 isn’t bad. Took like a grand to get a table and bottle. Someone went to Disney world alone it was like 450 or something they said. They can drive to a cheaper stadium. Make it a mini vacation.

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  17. shosho

    2 months ago

    @pohle nah, He just comes off that way to those who hate Him first.

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  18. Hibbie

    2 months ago

    Red Sox fans are laughing because you have Ben.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      They won’t be laughing when Rick York wins MVP

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      • TheMan 3

        2 months ago

        who’s Rick York?
        Spell check can be your friend
        It’s Nick Yorke

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          “who’s Rick York?”

          Exactly

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          2 months ago

          Sgt York’s kid brother.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 months ago

          Paul-AI is just angry that Yorke’s OPS was only 593 which is much less than his minimum acceptable level of 700.
          It was the level to retain Cherington.
          Yorke forced him to do what he really wanted to do in the first place and keep Cherington even though Yorke did not meet the minimum.
          Let’s give Yorke another chance next year.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          If Cherington was lame duck or even 1 year I think he would have been gone. Lame duck had to be gone. 2 years a bit much. Yorke did his part though.

          It was a joke though. Like he is so garbage I don’t even know his name.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          1 month ago

          Yorke came on in AAA late in the year and we all know that MLB is way better than AAA.
          He made some fine stops in the field.
          These are young players and they deserve two or three solid chances if they have talent.
          Your buddy Peguero is running out of them.

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  19. bruinlife33

    2 months ago

    Ben Cherington is to GMs what Dave Roberts is to managers, what Arte Moreno is to owners (what Kershaw is to choking)

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  20. mlb1225

    2 months ago

    There are a lot of things to say about Ben Cherington, but I’m going to get out all my frustrations in this comment.

    The first is Ben did not build a line-up to win, unless everyone played to their 90th percentile projections. If one player fell into a funk, or got injured for longer than a week or two, something all teams go through in a season, the line-up was doomed. Reynolds, Horwitz, and Cruz had to play like they did last year (or better), Gonzales had to improve on his 2024 rookie season, Suwinski and Hayes had to more like their 2023 selves, Joey Bart had to continue to be the power-hitting catcher we saw last season. How many of those things happened? One: Horwitz played like he did last year and was great in the second half.

    Then there’s the godawful roster management and this love for players who aren’t going to be around after this year. The Pirates acquired Alexander Canario on March 31, and lasted the ENTIRE season on the active roster. By the end of the year, he was basically only used once a week. Are you telling me that Billy Cook wouldn’t have been a better option at any point in the year (he got injured in August, but should have been up sooner)?

    Nick Gonzales goes down with an injury and is going to miss two months? No, don’t bring up the former first round pick who had an outstanding 2024 season, acquired at the 2024 deadline for this very reason, and went into 2025 as a top ten prospect in your system in Nick Yorke. No, keep giving past-his-prime and only on a one year deal Adam Frazier reps at second base.

    Then there’s Thomas Harrington. He was a top 100 prospect and one of your best pitching prospects. You call him up for a week at the start of the year, then immediatley demote him. The next time he’s called up is in COORS FIELD, possibly the worst environment you could throw him in, and he gets rocked because he’s unprepared for it.

    Look, I know Bob is a problem. But Ben is also a large part of it. Since the start of the rebuild when he took over after the 2019 season, he has yet to produce one single hitter of his own. Spencer Horwitz and Joey Bart are the only ones who have put up an above-average OPS+ in 100+ games, and most of their development was done by other teams. Henry Davis can’t figure out MLB pitching, Jack Suwinski went from a 25+ homer/.800 OPS threat to DFA limbo in less than 2 years, Oneil Cruz goes from a potential 30/30 season and .800+ OPS in June to an OPS below .700 by the end of the year, and Nick Gonzales goes from a promising contact-focused hitter who could knock one out when he got a hold of it, to IKF 2.0.

    If Cherington can’t produce ONE MLB-caliber hitter of his own after having five full minor league and Major League seasons to figure it out, then that’s more on him than Bob if you ask me.

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    • mlb1225

      2 months ago

      And by the way, let’s look at the position player prospects the Pirates have gotten under Cherington in trade and how they’ve panned out:

      Liover Peguero: Hit for a .784 OPS in his first 129 plate appearances of 2023 after a mid-season call-up. .546 OPS since then over his last 182 plate appearances. Acquired in Starling Marte trade.

      Hudson Head: Acquired in Joe Musgrove trade, 31.8% K% and 94 wRC+ in Pirates’ system, released last July.

      Endy Rodriguez: Once a consensus top 100 prospect, but constantly injured. Also acquired in Musgrove trade.

      Canaan Smith-Njigba: Only appeared in 18 MLB games, injuries hindered him in 2022, did not play in organized affiliated baseball in 2025. Acquired in Jameson Taillon trade.

      Maikol Escotto: 80 wRC+ and 28.1% strikeout rate in Pirates’ system. Released in August of this year. Also acquired in Taillon deal.

      Tucupita Marcano: 66 OPS+ in 397 plate appearances with the Pirates. DFA’d after 2023, and suspended for life over gambling in 2024. Acquired in Adam Frazier trade to Padres.

      Jack Suwinski: Started off career hot, with 19 home runs and a .709 OPS with solid outfield defense in 2022. Hit 26 dingers with a .798 OPS in 2023, and continued to play decent defense in CF. Now has an OPS below .600 with -14 defensive runs saved the last two seasons. Also acquired in Frazier trade.

      Carter Bins: Had just an 83 wRC+ with a K% over a third. Retired after 2024 season. Acquired for Tyler Anderson.

      Connor Scott: Had a .620 OPS and 69 wRC+ in the Pirates’ system. Was released in 2024 and played in both the Brewers’ and Royals’ systems. Was acquired in Jacob Stallings swap.
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      Malcom Nunez: Only a 90 wRC+ with an isolated slugging percentage of .157 with the Pirates. 1B/3B/DH prospect. Acquired for Jose Quintana and Chris Stratton.

      Jhonny Severino: wRC+ dropped from 133 to 77 from 2024 to 2025 once he was fully tested at A-Ball. Still only 20, so jury still out. Acquired for Carlos Santana.

      Estuar Suero: 97 wRC+ and a .124 ISO in the Pirates’ system, 33.2% K%. Also only 20. Acquired for Ji-Man Choi and Rich Hill.

      Alika Williams: Has 203 MLB plate appearances, but a 46 OPS+. Was DFA’d earlier this year, but remained in the Pirates’ system. Acquired for Robert Stephenson.

      Titus Dumitru: Put up a .750 OPS at High-A. Acquired from Braves for Chris Stratton.

      You can argue the Pirates didn’t trade much to start with, which is true in many of these cases. JiMan Choi, Rich Hill, Hunter Stratton, Robert Stephenson, and Tyler Anderson were never super valuable in the first place. But that’s still no excuse to hit on pretty much no trade, at least when it comes to position players.

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      • AI GM

        2 months ago

        It’s a lot to read. The bright eyes manifesto but figured it would have lots of material in it and I was right.

        Cook stinks. Worse than Canario so he needs to stay in AAA until he can hit a baseball vs sitting on the bench and getting 1 start a weak.

        Yorke had a 583 ops so yes give me the old washed up whatever Frazier.

        “Thomas Harrington. He was a top 100 prospect and one of your best pitching prospects.” Only to fellow bright eyes. You shouldn’t have muted me and you would know he is 5th 6th starter reliever at best unless he gained fastball velocity. He was never at any point even top 200.

        Holy heck there’s a part 2!!!!

        Titus Dumitru: Put up a .750 OPS at High-A. Acquired from Braves for Chris Stratton. Umm what multi verse Cherington made that trade? In my reality he was traded with Quintana to the cards.

        Yes these teams should have given the Pirates elite hitting prospects for 2 months of old below average offensive 1b and a 53 year old Rich Hill. Ben should have still developed these scrubs though! Tired always says you can get blood from of stone if you just squeeze it hard enough.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Here’s bright eyes on Santana trade.

          There’s really no such thing as salary dumping a rental. Santana’s value probably isn’t very high to start with. He’s an older first baseman who has short-side platoon splits (only good against LHP). He has value in a platoon role to a contender, but it’s not as if he’s a rare commodity. With Santana, you just got to take the best offer possible. Like I said, I wish we got back a little more than just an 18 YO infielder, but I was not expecting much more than that either.

          So every trade where a team is unloading any money is a salary dump? Look, Santana is a rental 1B, who is 37. There are 24 first basemen with a qualifiying number of plate appearances. Santana ranks 20th in BA and wRC+, 18th in OBP and slugging percentage, 16th in weighted on base average, 14th in isolated slugging, and 13th in fWAR. Considering that he only has two months of control left, I don’t know what you expected to get out of him.

          Santana is a 37 year old 1B who has platoon splits vs LHP, and is a rental. He might not be a bad player, but he’s far from a highly sought after guy.

          I agree on Bednar, but nobody is giving up a decent Double-A starting pitcher for a 37 year old rental first baseman with league average hitting numbers.

          2025 it’s Cherington couldn’t develop this guy fire him!

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Bright eyes used to love Cherington. More than anyone I ever seen. Even though Taillon was average and had 2 tjs and shouldn’t have gotten much bright eyes loved the return. Even praised player development.

          “I think there’s a lot that the current front office is doing that gives us hope. I don’t like this trade, but it doesn’t erase the fact that he acquired Roansy Contreras, Miguel Yajure, Canaan Smith-Njigba, and Maikol Escotto for a two-time Tommy John victim in Jameson Taillon who was roughly league average this year, got the team’s long term closer with David Bednar, as well as a very high-ceiling outfielder in Hudson Head, and a noteworthy catching prospect out of Joe Musgrove, Liover Peguero (now a consensus top 100 prospect) and 2019 first round pick (Brennan Malone) out of the Diamondbacks for Starling Marte (who played just 33 games in Arizona), as well as a phenominal 2021 draft, and some solid moves at the trade deadline.

          I’m not going to say that the past hasn’t been ugly. It has. But it’s exactly what it is: the past. What Neal Huntington did three-four years ago, or the fact that the Pirates haven’t won anything since 1979 doesn’t dictate what happens the next 3, 5 or 10 seasons. Nothing Ben Cherington has done so far has made me worried for the future of this team. There’s actually a plan in place. They’re actually developing prospects.

          By the end of 2023, Nick Gonzales, Liover Peguero, Henry Davis, Roansy Contreras, Quinn Priester, Oneil Cruz, Travis Swaggerty, Miguel Yajure, Carmen Mlodzinski, Canaan Smith-Njigba, Diego Castillo, and Endy Rodriguez could all be in regular roles. They’ll join Bryan Reynolds, Ke’Bryan Hayes, David Bednar, and any other pitcher that may breakout like Bryse Wilson, Mitch Keller, Wil Crowe, or Max Kranick.”

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          “I don’t know how to feel about the return. It’s not bad, but I was expecting maybe a little more. Though I guess a two time Tommy John victim only gets you so much, even if they are a good pitcher.”

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Correct me if I am wrong but sounds like you weren’t expecting much when trade happened but now years later it was a epic failure.

          I probably gave them all A+ and they were. A 18 year old lotto ticket for a 2 month rental is a great return. They aren’t supposed to be developed and turn into anything. And Pirates didn’t have the development to have a chance anyways. You still have to make the trade and try though.

          Cherington failed to develop these guys! No it. He wasn’t supposed to. Pirates had the worst development in baseball. A new gm just doesn’t come in and fix it over night. Of course he failed. He didn’t have any one to develop them.

          Give me the old trades. The new ones have had his 3 worst returns. Yorke for Priester was awful. I’d trade 100 Cooks and 1000 Devanneys for a Dominican lotto ticket.

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        • TheMan 3

          2 months ago

          you really enjoy talking to yourself Dream

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          I’m easily entertained.

          Bright eyes back then. Nothing makes me more suspicious than the Rays wanting a nothing relief pitcher for a former first rounder.

          2025 Cherington failed to develop Alika. He gave up a nothing reliever for him! Alika should have been good!

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          It’s fun to see what bright eyes said vs what he is saying today.

          Bright eyes on Frazier trade 2021

          To be honest, the more I think and read about Marcano, I don’t think it’s as bad as people are making it out to be. Frazier was never going to bring back some sort of uber-prospect, and ever expecting so was foolish. Marcano has probably the best hand eye coordination and bat to ball skill in the entire minor leagues. He’s also starting to show some good walking ability, which all pairs well in the long term

          2025
          How could Cherington not develop these Uber prospects!

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Now I like what this totally random person had to say about it.

          F for Pirates
          A for Padres

          Pirates could have waited until 2022 trade deadline and got this package. At least wait until the 30th or off season. Horrible.

          That completely random person realized how horrible the Pirates development was and that baseball development people don’t grow on trees and the odds of any of these non elite prospects ever working out were slim.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          What amazing players did other teams get when he traded for Underwood Mathias VanMeter Choi Joe Cruz IKF. You trade nothing you get nothing. Sometimes you get lucky. Moreta for Newman. Falter for Castro. Wins for Cherington.

          Cherington had weak trade chips and bottom as can be player development. He wasn’t supposed to develop many players.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          1 month ago

          Yorke for Priester doesn’t count. He was awful with the Red Sox as well, and to be honest his advanced numbers with the Brewers don’t bode well either.

          I do agree with the failed development though.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          1 month ago

          We will see if Priester is real when he starts the second game of the playoffs.

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      • mlb1225

        2 months ago

        Oh yeah, here are some others I forgot:

        Hoy Park: Appeared in 67 games and 209 PA’s with the Pirates in 2021-2022. Put up a 76 wRC+. Traded for org depth after 2022. Acquired for Clay Holmes.

        Diego Castillo: Hit 11 home runs in 283 plate appearances in 2022, but still put up a 77 OPS+ and -0.7 bWAR. Traded after 2022 season for org depth. Also acquired in Holmes trade.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          “Imo, there’s about 100 Clay Holmes’s out there. He’s one of those guys you look at and say “he has lights out stuff” but has no idea where it’s going. I love Holmes and I’m an analytics guy too, but it doesn’t take analytics to know he has no command. I know the eye test isn’t accurate, but he almost never hits his spot.”

          Supply and demand. Yet Cherington is supposed to get not 1 but 2 prospects to turn into good hitters!

          “As much as I’ve been a supporter of Holmes these last 2-3 seasons, he is what he is at this point. Yeah, he was a top 20 Pirate prospect in 2017 and 2018, but that was 3-4 years ago. I’ll be the first to admit, the guy has the stuff, but absolutley zero control of it. He’s not young and he’s not found his footing yet at 28-years-old. Plenty of late bloomers in the MLB, but I’m taking Castillo+Park everyday and twice on Sunday over Holmes at this point in their careers.”

          You loved them! If bright eyes failed to see they couldn’t hit how could Cherington?

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Shame on you. Who could forget Hoy Park

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        • greatwhiteangus

          1 month ago

          Dude, Holmes was awful with the Bucs. What could we have gotten for him???

          Doesn’t matter what he became with the Yankees. Just like Priester, who did you think they would draw in return???

          HIndsight is not a skillset. Development is, and that’s why the Bucs continue to fail.

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      • greatwhiteangus

        1 month ago

        It’s true in almost all of the cases. Other than Musgrove I just don’t see ANY TEAM giving up better talent for our has beens and never wases.

        Yes, I said that about Taillon, Marte and Bell. All three, at that point, we nothing more than complimentary players. Marte, the best of the three, still would never bring back a game changing talent.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          1 month ago

          The problem is that they all were clearly better than average if not good players and what did Cherington get for them?
          The answer is nutting.

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        • mlb1225

          1 month ago

          Starling Marte had a 20/20 season with a .845 OPS and 119 OPS+ in 2019, the same year Cherington traded him, and still had two more years on his contract. Bell had hit 37 home runs and slashed .277/.367/.569 in 2019. He didn’t trade him that offseason, and decided to move him after struggling in 2020, and still didn’t get much. I’ll give you Taillon because he missed most of 2019 due to Tommy John surgery. But acting like these players were just ‘complementary’ players when they were legit regulars is simplifiying it.

          Also,I was not expecting the Pirates to find a superstar among any of these trades. I expected maybe a few okay bats. But they didn’t even find a single decent semi-regular. Not even someone they could platoon at a position.

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        • mlb1225

          1 month ago

          @Mendoza Exactly. What did good did Adam Frazier, Starling Marte, Jameson Taillon, Joe Musgrove, and Josh Bell bring? David Bednar, one good year from Jack Suwinski, and that’s it.

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  21. Monkey’s Uncle

    2 months ago

    This sucks.

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  22. Old Buc Fan

    2 months ago

    Bottom line for a bottom feeder team like the Bucs is that they have to develop kids into useful big leaguers. It’s happening with pitchers but not with hitters. Other than Reynolds the only prospect hitter to reach their potential is Gonzalez. All others have failed. What are Hague and Vogey doing to correct this besides spitting sunflower seeds in the dugout and looking goofy?

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    • WashedUpOldTimer

      2 months ago

      You’re right, although Reynolds came by way of the Giants. They didn’t develop him and in fact, I think the previous hitting coach messed him up greatly with his “philosophies”

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      • TheMan 3

        2 months ago

        Haines screwed up several players approach at the plate

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Can’t even make Titus Dumitru into a good player

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    • Heels On The Field

      2 months ago

      It’s DRAFTING, not development that’s the Pirates problem. Way too many top picks made on pitchers.

      No more pitchers.

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        2 months ago

        Cherington has been here 6 years. Not one impact player developed on his farm. Not one
        Are you it’s drafting ?

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Pirates take best available as they should. If anything they should take pitching as it’s the only thing they can develop. They took hitters 1st round 1st 3 drafts.

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      • greatwhiteangus

        1 month ago

        No, No, No. Take the best talent available. ALWAYS.

        Development has been the issue for 30 friken years, maaaaaaan.

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  23. JoeBrady

    2 months ago

    I don’t think much of Cherry, but that’s a tough financial environment to win in.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      1 month ago

      Same. Could BC have done better? Absolutely. Not trading his pitching prospects for bats is his biggest blunder.

      But no team can win with Bob’s purse. And before anyone says “… but the Rays” they are an anomaly. They’ve had GREAT drafts and they always traded those GREAT players for top prospects. They have had good development too.

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        1 month ago

        The Rays simply had people in place to not only stick to the plan but also, develop the young kids who come into the organization along the way
        This is Cherrington’s biggest black mark: kids come in and if they’re position players, stagnate.
        The blueprint is out there. The Brewers, Tigers, Indians. All have similar plans. To a less successful degree perhaps, the Royals and O’s
        The Pirates bought into the idea. But unfortunately for them, their young players never developed. Not one player from the farm and that’s unlike any of the aforementioned teams.

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      • bigdaddyk

        1 month ago

        Neil Huntington did it

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      • Baltimore_44

        1 month ago

        Unpopular opinion and BC likely isn’t the guy to do it based on his miss record but he still has an abundance of the most valuable thing in the game—- Good, cheap, young controllable pitching.

        His deal for Horwitz last year hit. That only cost him a backend controllable arm and an interesting teenage pitcher. He needs to hit on about 3 more of those but it’s plausible.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          1 month ago

          Plausible,but impractical.
          How many trades have worked out for him?
          How many of the major trades worked out at all?
          He is as bad of a trader as he is in developing a hitting coaching system.
          He drafts reasonably well,and develops pitchers.
          He is an awful trader,cannot develop position players,and has little to no money for free agents.
          What is ingrained for six years will not change.

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  24. PuttPutt⁰³

    1 month ago

    JOKE organization continues.

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  25. bucsws2024

    1 month ago

    Cherington is gonna pick up Kyler Fedko in the Rule 5 draft and Fedko is gonna get MVP votes while leading the Pirates in OPS and a WC. Then the Dodgers are gonna give the Bucs Andy Pages and Teoscar Hernandez and cash in exchange for Keller and Cruz. Dodgers need someone like Keller who can actually make it through a season, and Cruz needs anywhere else.

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  26. holecamels35

    1 month ago

    Looking at the abomination that is the Guardians lineup (minus Ramirez and Kwan), gives me hope that the PIrates really aren’t far off and can compete. Like the Royals and Witt Jr, good pitching and an elite offensive player (Griffin please!!!) can mask a lot of weaknesses.

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    • Mendoza Line 215

      1 month ago

      And the Pirates goal is to win 83 games and make the playoffs.
      And even that would be a huge improvement.

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  27. joew

    1 month ago

    Reading through the PG ‘story’ it is really disheartening that some of the players are also saying the team poor performance is due to payroll.. Someone also mentioned that they’re already playing to their potential. In essence they’re saying they should not be playing at the MLB level and that they’re just bad players.

    Personally I don’t think that’s the case. I do think they are/were playing to their potential in a system that isn’t developing well. But I also believe that there is more that some of these players can do.

    Especially Davis and Cruz, Reynolds in there as well. Just those three with non-negative offensive performance would probably got them 5-10 more wins.

    Payroll isn’t the end all that many make it out to be, Colorado is estimated over 140m this year and 10 years a go the pirates were darn good paying well under league average, just saying.

    I’m not saying they shouldn’t spend I would love it if they got a ‘guaranteed’ productive bat but saying they’re bad because they didn’t is a cop out. They’re bad mostly because the staff didn’t do something right, scouting, development, Managing, front office or all.

    All that said, so far BC’s decision making is questionable and does not seem to have the skill set to work in this type of system. Probably should go get Brad Pitt to be the GM, with his experience in the Moneyball movie could probably do as well if not better than BC 😀

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  28. Mendoza Line 215

    1 month ago

    Joe- I agree.Too many cop outs and poor performances.These guys are pros and should play hard all of the time.
    Nutting and Cherington need to augment with free agents where they can,
    Cherington is correct in saying that many young hitters need to hit better,
    The problem is there is not enough hitting talent and power up and down the order to be able to contend for the playoffs lets alone a division title.

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    • joew

      1 month ago

      They do have some fair talent. Davis is probably the biggest one that needs to figure something out. Shown his defense has greatly improved since the draft (as i predicted) but his offense failed hard ( i was completely wrong).. tooting my own horn… with a fart lol 🙂

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  29. smrtbusnisman04a

    1 month ago

    The 2nd Half Surge of Spencer Horwitz and Jared Trilo saved this man’s career.

    Any other organization, except maybe the White Sox, he’d be off to the firing squad

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