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Luis Ortiz) So, turned to the Tiburones instead of the Estrellas Orientales, the whom he played in the 2019-20 and 2020-21 offseasons. Alvarez Montes suggests the Tiburones will try to dispute the Guardians’ decision, but it’s not a fight they’re likely to win.
Clase and Ortiz have been on non-disciplinary paid administrative leave since July, due to an ongoing MLB investigation related to sports betting. Their leave was originally scheduled to last through August 31, but on August 31, MLB and the MLBPA agreed to extend the leave “until further notice.” In a short statement announcing the indefinite extension, the Guardians made clear that they would not comment further until the investigation was complete. Indeed, no meaningful details have since emerged about the situation or either player’s future in MLB. The Athletic’s Zack Meisel reported from Cleveland’s end-of-season press conference on October 7 that there was “still no clarity” regarding either Clase or Ortiz. President of baseball operations Chris Antonetti suggested he’s hopeful the investigation wraps up over the offseason, but he wasn’t able to offer a concrete timeline. “We have to plan as if they won’t be here,” the executive explained.
Obligatory sports gambling is a plague on our society.
Sports betting is not obligatory, no one is forced to bet. Neither is it a plague since only 20% or so of the US population bets, me not one of them.
I do agree that it is not good for sports, and a plague on baseball.
I’m saying my comment is obligatory to remind everyone how much sports gambling is not worth it.
But there is always the chance to win big,and then walk away.
Yeah, but how often does that happen?
As my gf who worked the pits in a casino … always said as we discussed the suckers … “ they didn’t build this place for you to win “
There were so many ads for gambling while watching the super bowl. Not good.
The way the major sports leagues and media networks force it down the throats of the consumer could be described as a plague, perhaps…
20% of the population 90% of which are under 35. Unfortunately it takes that long to convince young people that it is a terrible habit.
I used to do some sports gambling (small amounts of money) but it just doesn’t pay off. That former padres player who got suspended for live lost the majority of his bets.
Sport betting brokers are smart, usually the money line is not profitable on both sides.
I once did a calculation with fangraphs game odds. Did the Math for a day with 10 games. Of the 20 sides to bet on like 2-3 where slightly profitable, the Rest both sides of the bet had negative EV. Special bets like over under, runs per game etc aren’t better.
So if you want to gamble you can do it but know that you are wasting your money, even if you have a system to predict results the betting sites have it too and have set the odds so that you will lose. Typically for example the actual odds for a game is 60 to 40 in favor of team A. But the implied odds offered are like 55 to 45, so neither side of the bet is profitable.
That doesn’t mean you cannot win some bets but long term it just is not profitable.
If you know that and you say I know I’m losing money but I play for fun anyway it is fine but mosts guys who bet regularly do thing they have found a way to outsmart the betting sites and make easy money.
Sorry my example was slightly off, of course the implied odds would be higher.
So say Yankees are 60 to 40 favorite to beat the pirates.
That means Yankees should be plus 150 and pirates minus 150. However broker will offer plus 160 for Yankees and minus 140 for pirates, so no matter what side you bet you lose long term.
You can just as well just burn your money
If that’s the only plague on society then we are in a good spot
I respect MLB, MLBPA, and Lidom for the decision. Betting on games when playing affects everyone involved. No room for it.
I am against players gambling on the sport, but this is ridiculous. How can you respect them interfering with a players career? If the investigation shows them to be guilty, then say so. After this amount of time, if they haven’t found proof, let them continue their careers. How long should MLB be able to continue their investigation without a decision? Hanging a person out to dry without proof, for a never ending length of time should not be allowed by the Union.
There is a good likelihood that a decision has already been made in the investigation. MLB, always protects it’s sacred cow, the World Series. No negative news was going to come out after the regular season was over. It’s almost a 100% certainly that both pitchers will be found guilty. The news will be announced no earlier than a week after the W S is over.
They are getting paid.
They let Ohtani slide because he’s their cash cow. No respect here.
All facts to the contrary notwithstanding.
I don’t really understand this decision from Cleveland’s perspective, personally.
Cleveland is still on the hook for any medical issues. Why risk something like that while he still is on paid disciplinary leave?
Cleveland doesn’t want a gambler to gamble his elbow at the Tommy John casino, in Venezuela
Dark side
Cleveland has Clase for 2026 at $6.4 million and a pair of team options for 2027 and 2028 at $10 million. Rumor has it that Clase may be banned for gambling at least three years and more likely for “life”. Cleveland’s interest at this point is to make sure that Clase does not get paid for 2926 since he will likely never throw a pitch for them again. So all I can think is that MLB and Cleveland are unhappy with Clase.
I mean, if the U.S. is about to destabilize Venezuela is support of regime change, you would think the Guardians would want Clase to be stuck on the middle of it all.
2926? Cleveland really deferred that one. Pretty sure they can prevent him from getting paid that year
Both Clase and Ortiz will get a lifetime ban.
That Cleveland is being non accommodating here tells me they’re pissed which tells me there’s SOMETHING here and something is not nothing and he needs it to be nothing to not be banned.
Wait, you need this to tell you that ‘something is there’? Of course something is there. Smoke = fire. Fire = you get burned.
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Makes sense…..
If Cleveland is fighting it, wouldn’t that mean it’s less likely they are banned from MLB?
Hard read. You’d think they want him to have game reps after being suspended for half the season too though.
Or not get injured so they can trade him as soon as he’s reinstated.
He lost all of his value he will probably get released like Bauer after (potential) reinstatement
I don’t know if any team would give him a chance
If he’s not permanently banned Clase will be on a Major League Baseball team. I’d bet my life on it.
He committed a non violent offense. He could help a team significantly and that almost always matters the most.
Won’t he be banned for life?
They’re gonna have a tough time proving guilt on this one. Not saying he’s not guilty but proving he intentionally threw two bad pitches on prop bets is not a low bar. Do I think he’s guilty yes. Think and prove aren’t interchangeable.
Follow the money!
Oh cmon just let him throw for once, these games don’t count towards him, if he manages to come back to MLB then he’s gonna look rusty as hell and pitch like he’s Brooks Kriske.
I understand the team blocking him, but why doesn’t MLB just ban the guy. It’s not that hard to figure out he was gambling. MLBPA agreeing to the extension instead of just pulling the band aid off seems to go against their members best interest. Tony Clark is a poor excuse for a union director though so it doesn’t shock me.
I wonder if Clase will find work in another league after MLB bans him. Probably going to be playing with guys like Bauer, Puig, etc in the Mexican or Korean leagues. Maybe him and Julio Urias can join the Savanah Bananas.
Unless the league has moral objections to the gambling—he’ll be in the NPB or the KBO in no time. He was one of the best relievers on the planet.
Imagine a game where Julio urias goes 7 innings and Roberto osuna and clase finish it
Also how is Wander Franco not officially banned by mlb?
It’s not “the NPB” it’s just “NPB.”
Gambling is shoved down everyone’s throats to no end these days. I really think you’re going to see more players doing this type of stuff. Won’t be too long before you hear a big three sport game was fixed. And everyone can throw up their faux outrage, like how could this happen??
But unlike the Black Sox scandal, players today make too much to risk a gambling ban. If Clase and Ortiz did, they lost way more in earnings than any betting profits they made.
Oh I don’t disagree with you there, but the temptation for some of these guys might be too much. You gotta think, many of these Latino players come from super poor situations, so the quick buck incentive versus the years it takes to get the big contract makes it seem worth it. Plus, The Black Sox scandal, Pete Rose, these are American tales. These guys probably aren’t thinking about lifetime bans. Just easy money. It’s not like they all are super millionaires. If you’re a guy making the league min, 700K ish, once taxes and agents money comes out, now we are talking 350K or less in bring home, life expenses and what not, it just doesn’t stretch super far. Might have the Porsche, but you ain’t got no gas money.
I would refer you to the NBA and Tim Donaghy…
If MLB is against gambling why do they allow it in their stadiums.
Because they are not against money.
They aren’t against gambling they are against the people who control the outcome of the product gambling on the product.
MLB shouldn’t be allowed to place players on indefinite leave without some sort of accusation. We know what Luis Ortiz is accused of. We knew what was going on with Bauer and Julio Urias and all the other domestic violence incidents. Clase has yet to be publicly accused of anything beyond a vague “related to investigations.” Tell us what, specifically, you think he did. Ortiz threw a suspicious ball. Is that what Clase did? Why not show us like with Ortiz?
That’s exactly what Clase did and he did it twice.
Maybe this is a push for them to retire from MLB. Can then play elsewhere. As soon as the pay stops both probably quit.
He sho don’t look too happy about it.
They’re not big enough stars to not be suspended and not be investigated.
They’re touting parlays in game. It’s the next opioid addiction crisis.
I have a buddy that thinks “he’s figured it out”. At this point, he’s like a drug addict. Pretty much all he talks about. Parlay this. Need so and so to cover that. He even made a few bets this year on the WNBA. I knew he was gonna pretty much gone at that point.
If he’s watching wnba games for gambling reasons, someone needs to help him.
Its funny, during probably the best season of “The Simpsons” in decades last season they did an episode where Moe and Grandpa recruit a two-way star from Macedonia to the Springfield MLB team and of course he becomes a huge star and of course becomes addicted to gambling on Baseball. During his press conference to confess his gambling, Moe acting as his interpreter turns everything around and blames all of the reporters representing news outlets named after betting apps. At the end they cut to Kevin Burkhart and Kevin Millar covering the results of MLB’s investigation and declare after a “20 minute investigation” the player was found completely innocent and Moe was blamed for everything. Obviously this was a rif on the Ohtani situation but it points out the absurdity in the fact that MLB can absolve Ohtani of any wrong doing in 5 minutes but almost 4 months later Clase and Ortiz are still in limbo
I wonder if stupidity is contagious. It appears to be.
I, for one, would just like to see sports betting cease to exist. Just another addiction for this nation to pretend isn’t an addiction.
People gamble everyday of their lives? Can i make it through the light before it turns? Is that a fart i can trust? All of life is a gamble