As they search for a proven starter, the Phillies are discussing Jayson Werth trades with “a lot of teams,” according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter links). Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported yesterday that the Phillies would likely consider trading Werth if they fall from contention. The Phils are 43-40, three games out of a playoff spot, but it appears that they are open to trading Werth now.
Werth, 31, is about to hit free agency and his projected Type A ranking likely boosts his trade value. Werth's team will probably be able to obtain two top picks in next year's draft by offering arbitration. But Werth would have a big impact before next season. He is hitting .279/.365/.518 with 13 homers and plays solid defense in right field.
The Giants, Padres, Red Sox and Rays are among the teams that could be discussing a deal with the Phillies, though that is speculation on my part.
San Diego would love Jayson Werth, Jed.. are you listening?
You beat me to it, Mickey. Man, would Werth look good patroling RF in PetCo! An addition like that would completely change their lineup.
You have to wonder what it would take. With Domonic Brown waiting in the wings, the Phillies may not require was much in return as some think. The Phillies need help in the pen. Maybe an arm like Adams or Gregerson and a prospect?
I have heard more than once that the Padres are “going for it”. Well, he would sure be a guy that I would love on my team that would fit that profile.
Maybe Adams and a legit prospect. Pipe dream or not that is what MLBtradrumors is all about, speculation and dreaming of the ideal lineup. Man, I do not want to give up the farm for any player now that we (the Padres) have finally brought in some good talent for the minor league system however, the Padres have many potential chips. I also see them taking a very realistic shot/look at Gurthrie. If the Padres are going to give up any prospects they might as well go for the “big bat”.
Agreed. He’s the best player I’ve heard “linked” to the Padres. He hits for power and average, plays good D, has a strong arm, and has enough speed to fit their style.
This is the opportunity for Moorad to show fans he’s serious about winning. He’s smart enough to realize that giving Padres fans a playoff run in his first year will buy him 4-5 years as he continues to re-tool the system, team and organization. If he goes for broke and makes a couple smart trades, people will circle the wagons around him and his program. He’d be a fool to not do everything in his power to make that happen.
Guthrie would be a nice addition, as well. Nothing special, but capable of being very effective in this ballpark, with this defense behind him, and this bullpen to support him. I’ve heard the Padres may be interested in Wigginton, which seems like a KT move to me (bring in the league average San Diego product and hope to catch lightening in a bottle).
Agreed. He’s the best player I’ve heard “linked” to the Padres. He hits for power and average, plays good D, has a strong arm, and has enough speed to fit their style.
This is the opportunity for Moorad to show fans he’s serious about winning. He’s smart enough to realize that giving Padres fans a playoff run in his first year will buy him 4-5 years as he continues to re-tool the system, team and organization. If he goes for broke and makes a couple smart trades, people will circle the wagons around him and his program. He’d be a fool to not do everything in his power to make that happen.
Guthrie would be a nice addition, as well. Nothing special, but capable of being very effective in this ballpark, with this defense behind him, and this bullpen to support him. I’ve heard the Padres may be interested in Wigginton, which seems like a KT move to me (bring in the league average San Diego product and hope to catch lightening in a bottle).
he probably can’t hear you over every team yelling that they want him.
Hoyer is a Jedi, he can hear everything.
Fire Ruben Amaro Jr. Please.
I think he wants to trade Werth and Flip the prospects for Lee and sign Lee to an extension and bring up DomBrown…that is my guess.
I didn’t think of that. Good call. I just don’t want to see him dump Werth for prospects on a team that needs to win now. I don’t know if this would help the Phils or hurt them. Offense is so scratchy, but pitching wins games. It’s a tough call. Haha
I agree…Werth is my fav. player…but, if it meant that he was going to get Lee back without giving up any Phillies prospects, the fans would be at an impass on whether to crown him or crusify him…although they could have had them both ALL season, but we know that story.
Or it could mean Haren for the Phillies as well…who knows.
Angels, please go after him! Send Saunders and Rivera to the phils.
HAHAHAH how the tables have turned, I remember all these annoying philly fans saying that they had depth to cover injuries like what happened to the mets last year. Now if they lost rollins victorino and howard for the remainding of the season than you can say they sustained the same exact injuries to position players as us mets. Now im not saying i HOPE they do get hurt but its karma, now WILL THE BRAVES PLEASE LOSE ALREADY
Sox are going to get him. They are in the most need for an OF with a good stick, especially a right handed one, as when Ells gets back he and Drew are lefty and reports are that Cam is going down for the season. Sox also could send 3 prospects to Seattle for C Lee in a 3 way trade, or send a guy like DiceK plus Kalish/some other prospect to Philly. Dice would do well in the NL, he just needs to learn to pound the strike zone.
BLOCKBUSTER TIME: 3 way deal – Lee back to Phils, Werth to Yankees. Yanks send Jesus Montero and Ivan Nova to Seattle and Javier Vazquez to Philadelphia.
Phillies stats don’t translate to AT&T. (Lookin’ at YOU Rowand!!)
i laughed pretty good at this one.
Well unlike you filthy mets fans the phils dont use injuries as an excuse. The phils are palying horrible not because of injuries but because they are playing just horrible. So while the phillies struggle live it up when they get it going we shall see if the Choke artists can even make the playoffs. Season isnt over a rumor is a rumor until the trades start to go down and the phils are down and out maybe you should keep your mouth shut.
cut the crap. i know a ton of philies fans using the injury bug for underperforming. please don’t act high and mighty.
Is that not a reason for under performing? A lot of guys are having bad years, but with key guys like Madson, Happ, Utley, Polanco, Ruiz, Bastardo… all on the DL, it’s a HUGE part of the reason the team is under preforming. I’m not a fan of excuses, but if I had to use one…
of course it is. re-read what i said and what he said.
i said it is a reason, and thats ok. the other guy was denying that injuries aren’t in excuse.
Ah, my bad. Mis-read.
At least the Phils are still in contention despite their injury bug….the Mets went right down the toilet when injuries hit.
yeah thats true. but i think the mets had more/worse injuries.
And the Mets fans are awful cocky for what a slim lead they have on the Phils. The tables can turn in this division quickly.
If I had to guess, the Red Sox would be the best spot for him. They have what it takes to resign him at years end. I don’t see why the Rays want to add another rental player when Crawford is already going to walk. As for the Padres, it would be a rental also. The Giants might be a good spot for Werth but it’ll take big money to sign him.
Jason Werth is a critical piece of the roster. You can’t replace his production with Dom Brown. Ibanez on the other hand…
I’m sure if they could get rid of Ibanez they would have already.
They can’t trade him, but the Phillies could always cut Ibanez. The value in that move is a question of how ready Brown is and whether they can fill in the hole for Werth (or magically resign him) after the end of the season.
Its a big contract to eat and I don’t think Amaro is in that mindset, but Ibanez hasn’t contributed much with his bat and next year he is only getting 1 year older. According to fangraphs he has a negative WAR so far in 2010. It’s a dangerous move unless the Phils already have a free agent target to replace Werth in 2011.
The only way Werth gets traded is a3 way deal, anyone who wants him is obviously in contention and wouldnt give up starting pitching, so the Phils would have to send him to the Sox or Yanks to get the parts for Haren or Lee.
If Werth does get tradede, Dom Brown comes up and I would platoon Ibanez and Francisco to get the right handed bat when needed. Adding Wigginton would be nice too, he can play some outfield when Utley and Polanco come back.
I think this premise is correct. Werth only goes to get an advanced, good prospect to add to some of the Phils teenage top prospects for a top pitcher (Haren, Nolasco, maybe Oswalt + cash).
Or if the Phils lose 15 in a row here
I like the platoon idea between Ibanez and Francisco. People forget that Jayson Werth started in a platoon with Geoff Jenkins. Haha
All the contenders need to just get rid of their crappy/old players, throw them into a big pot, and then everyone gets to go in and pick and choose who they want. The Sox would get rid of Lowell, Okajima, Delcarmen, Ramon Ramirez. Any takers???
Only if you take Ibanez, Moyer and Baez
They’re not dumping those guys. Maybe Lowell. Other than that, the farm system is pretty much staying in tact also. Kalish isn’t going anywhere. Pull your head out of fantasy land. It seems like Werth would be best suited for Boston but given Theos track record, Kalish won’t go anywhere.
Oh and about Kalish – Don’t be so sure about that, I wouldn’t be at all surprised given the Sox situation right now, and the fact that the Sox will get talking rights with Werth, who is a Type A free agent, and they were going to more than likely go after him next year anyway, which would have closed the door for either Reddick or Kalish. Theo’s “track record” shows that he thinks Reddick is more able thank Kalish at the moment anyway.
What, because Reddick has been called up and Kalish hasn’t? I don’t think that really defines whether or not Theo thinks Reddick is more able than Kalish at this point. Reddick is already on the 40-man roster, Kalish isn’t. Reddick also started the year in AAA, Kalish started at AA. Reddick is also older than Kalish and has a better arm if you needed a defensive replacement. If I had to bet I would say Kalish is slightly higher in Theo’s mind than Reddick.
What, because Reddick has been called up and Kalish hasn’t? I don’t think that really defines whether or not Theo thinks Reddick is more able than Kalish at this point. Reddick is already on the 40-man roster, Kalish isn’t. Reddick also started the year in AAA, Kalish started at AA. Reddick is also older than Kalish and has a better arm if you needed a defensive replacement. If I had to bet I would say Kalish is slightly higher in Theo’s mind than Reddick.
I would really like to see Werth in a Braves uniform. He’s the answer to our right-handed OF bat we’ve been wanting for the past couple years. I know it makes little sense to trade for him right now since he’ll be a rental, but they should sign him as a FA. An OF and lineup with Heyward and Werth would be great.
It makes no sense for the Phillies to trade him to the Braves.
True, Phillies would be very reluctant to do that. But the braves have the pitching the Phillies might want. I don’t see this happening either right now but I think he’d be perfect when he hits free agency.
Theres another side to it too..if the Phillies really believe they’re out of contention then trading him within the division doesn’t make a difference. Theoretically, he’ll only be a Brave for 1/2 a season unless they extend him..
idk who the Braves would give up. Phillies would want pitching help that is ready THIS year. I wouldn’t give up Medlin for Werth. Diaz has been a monsta the last two games. I’d rather get an upgrade in CF.
idk who the Braves would give up. Phillies would want pitching help that is ready THIS year. I wouldn’t give up Medlin for Werth. Diaz has been a monsta the last two games. I’d rather get an upgrade in CF.
I don’t understand why the Phillies want pitching. Well, okay, I understand why they might want bullpen help, but starting pitching? Their rotation has been good for at least 3 quality starts every time through all year (1 from Halladay, 1.5 from Moyer/Hamels, and one from either Kendrick or Blanton). It’s the offense that’s the problem. A bunch of guys are hurt and those who aren’t are underachieving. They can go out and score 12 runs three nights in a row and then get virtually nothing for a solid week. If Cliff Lee came back here he’d just pile up a lot of complete game losses like Halladay has had to suffer through.
I don’t understand why the Phillies want pitching. Well, okay, I understand why they might want bullpen help, but starting pitching? Their rotation has been good for at least 3 quality starts every time through all year (1 from Halladay, 1.5 from Moyer/Hamels, and one from either Kendrick or Blanton). It’s the offense that’s the problem. A bunch of guys are hurt and those who aren’t are underachieving. They can go out and score 12 runs three nights in a row and then get virtually nothing for a solid week. If Cliff Lee came back here he’d just pile up a lot of complete game losses like Halladay has had to suffer through.
True, Phillies would be very reluctant to do that. But the braves have the pitching the Phillies might want. I don’t see this happening either right now but I think he’d be perfect when he hits free agency.
I agree with you on the free agency part, I don’t want to see it though, if he walks or gets traded I hope it is to the AL.
Werth, Cosart, & Singleton to Seattle for Lee and Jose Lopez. Seattle either retains Werth this offseason or recoups the two draft picks when he walks as a type A free agent.
Why would the phillies trade a bat for a pitcher for half a season when the rotation has been the only consistent aspect of teh team?
Amaro has said his goal is to add pitching. The bats, minus all obvious injuries, are good enough to win a World Series…they have just not produced. Plus, a Werth trade would mean injecting a new bat into the stagnant lineup in the form of Dom Brown.
What the Phillies need isn’t more offense, it’s consistent offense. If they score 4 runs every game, they’ll go .600 the rest of the way with the way the starting pitching is performing. If they score 8 here, 0 there, 17 here, 1 there, they’ll continue to be mediocre.
What the Phillies need isn’t more offense, it’s consistent offense. If they score 4 runs every game, they’ll go .600 the rest of the way with the way the starting pitching is performing. If they score 8 here, 0 there, 17 here, 1 there, they’ll continue to be mediocre.
Cosart and Singleton? Wow, that’s a good haul for a guy that will be a FA, Ruben only okays that deal if Lee signs and extension because they could offer that deal to the dBacks and get Haren out of it. But then again, Lopez would be a big upgrade for the Phillies and he can play every infield position like Dobbs.
I don’t think Lee will sign an extension without fully testing free agency…it’s been his goal for a long time. That said, with a Werth extension out of the picture if he’s traded, we could field an offer to Lee (using previously earmarked Werth money) that actually competes with a NYY offer if we move Hamels’ salary in the offseason. I’d be all for a rotation of Halladay, Lee, Fat Joe, JA Happ, and a Moyer-one-year-deal/Kendrick/free agent 5th starter pu-pu platter.
I don’t think Lee will sign an extension without fully testing free agency…it’s been his goal for a long time. That said, with a Werth extension out of the picture if he’s traded, we could field an offer to Lee (using previously earmarked Werth money) that actually competes with a NYY offer if we move Hamels’ salary in the offseason. I’d be all for a rotation of Halladay, Lee, Fat Joe, JA Happ, and a Moyer-one-year-deal/Kendrick/free agent 5th starter pu-pu platter.
If the Phillies trade Werth why the hell would it be to any contender in the NL? Don’t be silly.
As a fan that really likes Werth I don’t know how I’d feel about trading him. He’s been extremely inconsistent all year then goes on a tear then sucks for the next bunch of games then repeats the cycle. I’d rather them get rid of Ibanez somehow and bring Domonic Brown up. But these are just “discussions” reported by the same guy that said Phillies and Cardinals are “discussing” a trade for Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols.
If the Phillies trade Werth why the hell would it be to any contender in the NL? Don’t be silly.
As a fan that really likes Werth I don’t know how I’d feel about trading him. He’s been extremely inconsistent all year then goes on a tear then sucks for the next bunch of games then repeats the cycle. I’d rather them get rid of Ibanez somehow and bring Domonic Brown up. But these are just “discussions” reported by the same guy that said Phillies and Cardinals are “discussing” a trade for Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols.
Werth would kill it in Fenway. I hope it happens.
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Looks like Werth is getting a little too friendly to be any fun in the clubhouse?
No way….if they do trade him I guarantee they get much more than that in return. I don’t see a trade happening unless they are 10 games + back of a playoff spot-not the way the Mets always choke, the weak offense the Braves have, and the way the Phils always pick it up in the second half. In ’08 and ’09 they had the identical record of 43-38 as this year. If anything I think a trade of Victorino to San Diego is more likely or Ibanez to an AL club, with the Phils eating some of his salary.
Are the Braves still being tagged with the “weak offense” tag? Really? Weak in comparison to what? A freight train?
Haha-good one- I guess it would be more like a choo-choo train- The Braves currently rank 15th in baseball in Batting Average-20th on the road- 20th in home runs and 23rd in slugging percentage-As horrific as the Phils offense has been to this point they share identical team batting averages- Who exactly scares anyone in that lineup?- Glaus has come back to earth- the outfield is trash, besides Prado- there isn’t one hitter having a good year. Do your homework before you make dumb comments.
the Braves offense might not be electrifying but they have the right combination of players to win ball games. Good pitching, above-average offense, and a good bench.
I agree with you that no one exactly “scares” anyone (i dont think anyone really scares anyone in the Majors, everyone can be pitched), but the lineup doesn’t have anyone who is completely under producing, besides McLouth.
i would agree with that
i would agree with that
Yep, as much as it hurts me to say it, the Braves are the best team in the East right now. They do what they have to do to win games. The Phillies have done that for the past 3 seasons, but they are not doing it this year. They win very few close games, never come back in the late innings, and almost every single one of their losses is a complete disappointment. Maybe if we trade Werth and replace him with someone who makes contact with men on base instead of striking out trying to slam the ball out of the park, the Phillies can at least give us a little bit of excitement for the rest of the year.
the Braves offense might not be electrifying but they have the right combination of players to win ball games. Good pitching, above-average offense, and a good bench.
I agree with you that no one exactly “scares” anyone (i dont think anyone really scares anyone in the Majors, everyone can be pitched), but the lineup doesn’t have anyone who is completely under producing, besides McLouth.
Oh no! I’ve been transported back to 1997! Someone used batting average and home runs as an argument for determining which offense is better. How about the fact that the Braves have scored 398 runs this season, which ranks tenth in all of baseball. And that’s not their strong suite. Their pitching has given up only 306 earned runs, good for 5th in all of baseball, which translates to a 3.66 ERA, also 5th in baseball (DUH!). What’s that? You want to know their ranking in Defensive Runs Saved? Why it’s 4th in the majors.
All this transpires to being the best NL team, and (Ooo, this feels good) “The Class of the NL East”…
……again.
Haha- As much as you hated those stats you had to use them in your argument too. OH NO! We’re transported back to 1995 when the Braves actually won something. I heard Dave Justice is making a comeback to plug that huge hole you have in the outfield! And if you actually read my post like a grade schooler you would see that I was merely pointing out that the Braves offense is not the “freight train” that the idiot I replied to wrote. I know it sucks being a Braves fan. All those chokes at the end of the season. And to call yourselves the class of the NL East- You didn’t win anything yet genius- There is 80 GAMES LEFT!
Haha-good one- I guess it would be more like a choo-choo train- The Braves currently rank 15th in baseball in Batting Average-20th on the road- 20th in home runs and 23rd in slugging percentage-As horrific as the Phils offense has been to this point they share identical team batting averages- Who exactly scares anyone in that lineup?- Glaus has come back to earth- the outfield is trash, besides Prado- there isn’t one hitter having a good year. Do your homework before you make dumb comments.
Yeah, if you mean Thomas the Freight Train.
ATL Games 85, Runs 398
PHL Games 83, Runs 395
3 more runs while playing to more games than a team with half it’s players on the DL.
7 runs off an 85 year old last night.
Yeah, if you mean Thomas the Freight Train.
ATL Games 85, Runs 398
PHL Games 83, Runs 395
3 more runs while playing to more games than a team with half it’s players on the DL.
7 runs off an 85 year old last night.
Im not sure the Giants would be interested unless they can trade and sign him. Sabean has already said that he would not be looking for rental players.
Werth, Cosart & Singleton for Lee and Lopez? LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…If the decide to Phillies trade Werth, they sure as hell won’t want to trade two of the best prospects in baseball to rent Lee and not make the playoffs.
Seriously now- time to check out some farm systems.
Red Sox fans- since Theo would either resign Werth or use those comp picks to sign expensive players we couldn’t afford, I’m expecing a pretty decent return. Werth could push you over the top and past the Yankees. He’s a fan favorite around here. Some players I like: Kalish, Middlebrooks, Renfroe, Tejeda, Exposito, Younginer, Tazawa, Gibson, Iglesias, Navarro…make an offer.
We’ll give you Middlebrooks, Kalish and Gibson for Werth (if we’re excluding the Mariners.) You might have to add a prospect as well to the Mariners if you are going to swap the RS players for Lee.
We’ll give you Middlebrooks, Kalish and Gibson for Werth (if we’re excluding the Mariners.) You might have to add a prospect as well to the Mariners if you are going to swap the RS players for Lee.
I could see Reddick, Middlebrooks and maybe Navarro.
I could see Reddick, Middlebrooks and maybe Navarro.
Ruben is going to ruin a World Series team in under 1 year. That is pretty impressive.
Yeah it is… We need to hire a new GM that has their head straight!
Yeah it is… We need to hire a new GM that has their head straight!
Trade Werth to a contender and have the contender send prospects to the D-back’s or M’s for Lee or Haren to the Phils. Then have Mayberry and Brown play RF.
where did Mayberry go, I liked him last year ad he can’t do any worse than Ibanez. Is there a reason why they haven’t called him up?
Ibanez has proven he is a second half player… look at last year when we recieved him from Seattle… God he sucked the first half with the M’s… but with the Phils his bat came alive.
Yeah, uh…the Phils signed Ibanez as a FA in the offseason. He wasn’t traded.
Ibanez has proven he is a second half player… look at last year when we recieved him from Seattle… God he sucked the first half with the M’s… but with the Phils his bat came alive.
Can’t give a real reason, though he’s not exactly lighting it up at AAA… .245/.316/.407…virtually identical to what Ibanez is giving the big club.
Can’t give a real reason, though he’s not exactly lighting it up at AAA… .245/.316/.407…virtually identical to what Ibanez is giving the big club.
Mayberry strikes out. A TON. He is not the bat the Phillies need. They have too many strikeouts in the lineup already, which is why they can’t manufacture runs late in games (manufacturing runs late in games is just as if not more important than scoring a lot of runs). Ibanez might be hitting .240, but at least he makes contact. When the Phils are in a spot where all it takes is a grounder or a fly ball to score a run, I’ll take Ibanez over Mayberry 10 times out of 10.
Mayberry strikes out. A TON. He is not the bat the Phillies need. They have too many strikeouts in the lineup already, which is why they can’t manufacture runs late in games (manufacturing runs late in games is just as if not more important than scoring a lot of runs). Ibanez might be hitting .240, but at least he makes contact. When the Phils are in a spot where all it takes is a grounder or a fly ball to score a run, I’ll take Ibanez over Mayberry 10 times out of 10.
where did Mayberry go, I liked him last year ad he can’t do any worse than Ibanez. Is there a reason why they haven’t called him up?
Trade Werth to a contender and have the contender send prospects to the D-back’s or M’s for Lee or Haren to the Phils. Then have Mayberry and Brown play RF.
Put Charlie Manuel as GM not Ruben god he just ruins the team each year
Put Charlie Manuel as GM not Ruben god he just ruins the team each year
Again- if the Phillies are trading Werth, they aren’t trading for Cliff Lee. Thats not going to happen.
I like Kalish and Middlebrooks but never heard of Gibson. We don’t want any speedy outfielders or 1st basemen, but could use pretty much anything else.
The Padres, Rays and Giants have better high-end prospects, but the Red Sox system seems pretty deep. If Rube plays his cards right, he could start a bidding war and get a decent return for once.
Again- if the Phillies are trading Werth, they aren’t trading for Cliff Lee. Thats not going to happen.
I like Kalish and Middlebrooks but never heard of Gibson. We don’t want any speedy outfielders or 1st basemen, but could use pretty much anything else.
The Padres, Rays and Giants have better high-end prospects, but the Red Sox system seems pretty deep. If Rube plays his cards right, he could start a bidding war and get a decent return for once.