Edwin Jackson has been traded for the fourth time in his young career, this time by the Diamondbacks to the White Sox for pitchers Dan Hudson and David Holmberg.
The 26-year-old Jackson would be a project for Sox pitching coach Don Cooper, as he has a 5.55 ERA, 8.1 K/9, and 4.3 BB/9 on the season despite throwing a no-hitter in late June. Of course, we're not positive the hard-throwing righty won't be flipped, possibly for Adam Dunn, before Saturday's trade deadline. At any rate, Arizona shed more payroll with the move since Jackson is owed $1.5MM more this year and $8.35MM in 2011 before he'll be eligible to become one of the youngest members of the 2012 free agent class.
Hudson, 23, rocketed up Chicago's farm system last year with "three solid pitches and natural deception," according to Baseball America. He's spent most of this season in Triple A, posting a 3.47 ERA, 10.4 K/9, and 3.0 BB/9 with 13 home runs allowed in 93.3 innings. The D'Backs might be concerned that their revamped rotation is built around flyball pitchers, with Ian Kennedy and Joe Saunders already in the fold, but interim GM Jerry Dipoto told MLBTR, "pitchers with good stuff work just about anywhere" while noting that Kennedy and Hudson miss bats. The D'Backs will have Hudson under team control through 2016 even if they keep him in the Majors the rest of the season.
Holmberg, 19, was drafted in the second round, 71st overall out of high school by the White Sox last year. The southpaw was ranked eighth among Sox prospects by BA heading into the season, with the projection of a "middle of the rotation workhorse at best."
Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports were first to report the teams being on the verge of the deal, with Yahoo's Tim Brown breaking news of the agreement. Jon Heyman, Joe Cowley, and Bob Nightengale also contributed to the story.
The Diamondbacks just got a better return for Edwin Jackson than for Dan Haren. There is something wrong with this.
Seriously. That Haren trade is mind boggling. I feel like half of the teams in baseball would have wanted the chance to top that offer.
How can you say that when the trade centered around two single A stud pitchers? Skaggs has been compared to Jon Lester by some scouts. If he turns out to be Lester, it’s a clear victory for the Dbacks!
Single A pitchers? Get your facts straight Hudson hasnt pitched at single a since he first signed
Chris is clearly not talking about Hudson in his reply. Learn how to read.
He’s talking about the trade with the Angels for Haren not the Jackson trade. So you get your facts straight before you accuse someone of not having their facts straight.
jared mitchell is the sox’ top pitching prospect, kenny williams never trades away guys who will be great.
its like dealing with the braves, you’re always getting crap in return.
The Rangers beg to differ on your last sentence..
uh Jared Mitchell is an outfielder.
I guess Elvis Andrus and Neftali Feliz are crap then.
Better be gettin Dunn through Jackson…period!!! Come on Kenny, you’ve never let me down…don’t start now!
Too much for Jackson I think. I’m a fan of neither team, but I think Holmberg could be very good. How does anyone project a 20 year olds’ ceiling?
what do you base your thoughts on Holmberg from?
Dunn bette be on a flight to Chicago right now..
Unless this is a precursor to a trade for Dunn, this is honestly doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the White Sox.
interesting….this may not be over
Arizona seems to really like pitchers that project as middle-of-the-rotation types.
It’s worked for the Padres so far.
Mat Latos?
5.55 ERA, 8.1 K/9, and 4.3 BB/9
Nope.
5.16 ERA, 6.97 K/9, and 4.02 BB/9
Additionally his FIP and xFIP are the best of his career (4.27 both).
Jackson has a 4.62 ERA away from Chase Field. Regardless, I don’t think the Cell is the best place for a flyball pitcher
Jim Bowden twittering that Jackson is headed to Wash for Dunn.
JimBowdenXMFOX —
Tim Kurkjian of ESPN reporting that the Nationals told him directly they are NOT trading Dunn to the White Sox for Edwin Jackson.
I wonder who they’re trading Dunn to the White Sox for, then.
Gordon Beckham, Viciedo, and Jackson (sarcasm)
Hey, a man can dream.
Of course if Jimbo were still running the show, we’d be seeing more trades where he tries to reunite the 2005 Cincinnati Reds.
//Tim Kurkjian of ESPN reporting that the Nationals told him directly they are NOT trading Dunn to the White Sox for Edwin Jackson//
Bowden’s twitter
Better be something else going to Wash. Otherwise, dumb dumb dumb by Rizzo. Nats need prospects, not overrated SP who’ll be FA after next year.
I really don’t understand how Jim Bowden still has any legitimacy in the baseball world. Just as I don’t get why the New York sports radio station sometimes has Steve Phillips on.
I wonder what deal fell thru then…Kenny said he had one that would make this one not needed…one can always wonder what could have been
If the Sox don’t flip Jackson for Dunn, this trade confuses me. If they do, this trade still confuses me, just from the National’s point of view.
I bet the Sox flips Jackson to WSH, and then the Nats try sending him back to Arizona for LaRoche, or something.
(Not a serious thought there…)
Don Cooper must see something fixable in Jackson, if they do intend to keep him.
Okay, these trades are just getting ridiculous now. Honestly, this is like something that would get vetoed by the commissioner of a fantasy league.
So let me get this straight… We traded away Hudson and another prospect AND the D’Backs aren’t eating any salary for a pitcher with a 5+ ERA?!
A pitcher who has the highest swinging strike percentage and strikeout rate of his career and the best FIP and xFIP of his career. Oh he’s also been worth 2 WAR so far.
ERA is a bogus stat.
lets also not forget he is not the ace of this staff like he has been expected to be since breaking into the bigs, he will be a quality middle of the order guy who is controlled next season too. yes we gave up on hudson, probably too soon. But jackson has proved he can hack it in the bigs, and maybe with some less pressure being the 4th or 5th starter and don cooper will help him. We gave up a unproven prospect who has had a shaky season so far for a young pitcher who has shown huge potential, no hitter,
Those stats can be a good indicator of how well a pitcher is pitching and may help balance out issues with their defense, park, luck, etc., but in no way do they invalidate ERA. Ultimately, all stats should be used in combination to determine a player’s performance.
Saying ERA is a bogus stat doesn’t make you hardcore, it makes you sound just as stupid as the archaic fans who think Wins is a useful stat.
That is a beefy lineup if Jackson gets flipped.
When was the last time a pitcher who threw a no-hitter was traded later that season?
Usually, the pitcher is actually good… I’m not as bit an Edwin Jackson fan as others seem to be.
For ARI… this is puzzling, not because of this return, but compared to what they gave Haren away for, they certainly got more for Jackson’s value.
Haren was in a different contract situation (more years remaining at higher base salaries), is substantially older (just under three full years) and is performing at a lower level than in any year since his first. Nobody wants to overpay for a guy who could be done, and nobody wants to carry a guy for multiple seasons until his contract is up if he =is= done.
For all his time in the majors, Jackson is still just twenty-six years old. He’s still looked at as someone with vast upside. Outside observers like us may shake our heads at this evaluation, but guys who are perceived as young who have both speed and movement on their stuff and show even a rudimentary level of command will always be in demand.
The Dbacks just seem lost. Just making trades to make trades.
Really??? Jackson is not good and makes 8 mil next year. He has been on LAD, Tampa, DET, AZ and now CHWS and maybe the NATS and he is only 26…that says something. Hudson is young and we added depth to our system again.
At the very least, the DBacks broke even. Maybe it turns out that Hudson is a bust and Coop turns Jackson into a good #2 starter, but you cannot count on these things. As of right now, 6 years of Hudson for a year and a third of Jackson (at 8 mil per) is a good deal for the DBacks
Twins “big move” is shipping their marquee trade chip for Matt Capps. I had the most depressed cup of coffee this morning since we woke up to read we sent Johan off for a bag of nobodies.
Now Chicago’s big move is sending off their marquee trade chip for Edwin Jackson. It seems there is balance restored in the AL Central, and today is turning out to be not so bad…
you have to know by now that Kenny is not done
Like helping Arizona flip Hudson for Dunn? My God that would just send me into hysterics…
You can dream, but you know that Kenny will get a bat. We still have Viciedo as a very good trade chip that we can package with Flowers who is another great trade chip.
We will get a bat. Will it be Dunn? Maybe, maybe not. But we are in first place with a DH hitting .220 and less than 10 HR, so anything is an upgrade to that. The Sox will be a much better team by mid day Saturday than they were yesterday.
How is Viciedo a good trade chip? He can’t play third and he can’t take a walk. Even money he is going to end up like Mike Jacobs or worse.
Now the Tigers just have to trade Jacob Turner to Boston for Mike Lowell.
hudson is by no means their marquee trade chip, yes he is their number 1 pitching prospect but not their number 1 porspect…the number 1 prospect is hurt….and consider this they just drafted and signed chris sale and already promoted him to AAA, and already have talked about him joining the big league club THIS YEAR in AAA he has thrown in 5 innings and has 12 K’s…yes right now he is a reliever but he profiles as a top pf the order starter and only dropped in the draft to the sox because no one thought they could sign him….so i would say sale is becoming their num 1 pitching prospect andhaving him made hudson moveable
“The Dbacks just seem lost. Just making trades to make trades. ”
?? umm and you wouldn’t make this trade?
I simply don’t understand their thinking. They sucked in 2009 but decided to trade away to acquire Edwin Jackson who was already expensive and a year or so away from FA. Then they trade away Haren for a less than attractive package including Saunders. Now they trade away Jackson. Did they honestly think trading for Jackson made them a 90 win team this year? And once they figured they weren’t and felt it was time to move then why make a trade that included Saunders as opposed to some of the better offers out there?
Kenny Williams hates prospects. They better be flipping Jackson for something else, because this deal on it’s own isn’t very good. Why use your top prospect to get a 5th starter when Hudson can probably do the job just as well?
I thought maybe they would dangle Edwin to the Brewers in a Fielder deal, but I don’t see him getting traded this year, unless it’s a huge deal with plenty of young talent.
prospects are suspects
Does he realize that Konerko, Buehrle, Jenks, Thornton, and Ramirez were all prospects at one time too?
No team can remain competitive without developing a steady stream of serviceable big league talent. Even the Yankees and Boston are built around guys who came up through their system.
Good teams develop their own talent. Great teams develop star talent.
yes but konerko became a whitesox player when he was past the prospect title, same with thornton, jenks was rule 5 and ramirez was a cuban super star
While Kenny likes to deal prospects away, most of those are bad examples because they are prospects he made moves to pick up.
Sox traded Mike Cameron for Konerko, Joe Borchard for Thornton, and claimed Jenks off waivers. Buehrle came up in the organization and Ramirez was signed after defecting, obviously.
Good teams have talent. Whether they actually drafted the players or not is irrelevant. Obviously, the more talent you have in the minors, the more assets you have and the more cheap players you have. But the idea that teams can only be good if all their best players come up through their system is wrong.
I’ll be the first to admit I’m not well versed on Sox player history. Most could very well be bad examples.
That said, I just have trouble thinking of a perennial contender that doesn’t have key parts developed from within. I’m not talking drafting the player, I’m just talking about having, at one time, held them when they were in “prospect” status. They’re exponentially cheaper, and free up cash to enable you to go out and get those few big-ticket parts that put you over the top.
I’m not saying it matters if you draft the guy – I’m just saying you’re going to have a helluva time being perennially good if you’re not maintaining a strong farm system.
all of the pitching prospects kenny williams has gotten rid have never really amounted to anything. The only players of recent vintage are gio gonzalez and clayton richard.
Hopefully they get Dunn from the Nats for Jackson! Though I doubt it will happen… Dunn is way too good to just get Jackson.
Well since the Nats were interested in Edwin Jackson, maybe the White Sox give them him and a prospect for Dunn and then go after Brett Myers…its easier to make a deal between two parties then three so that might explain why there was no three team trade as rumored.
Not happening. Tim Kurkijan just went on the air saying he spoke to DC officials and there’s “no way” they move Dunn for Jackson. Dunn also reportedly was told he’s not going to Chicago.
//Dunn also reportedly was told he’s not going to Chicago.//
Very interesting.
White Sox did need another starter.
Mark my words: Adam Dunn will be a Tiger and people will be shocked at how little they had to give up for him.
not going to happen. Where would dunn play? DH? he does not want to and when dunn does not want to play some where he stops playing and is bad…at 1st? yeah right they move miggy out of there…..the out field? HAHAH they would lose more games with him out there then his bat would win them….plus they cant stop loosing they should simply make some trades get some prospects, dump some money and get ready for next season
Where would Dunn play? For the rest of the season, Left field. (The Tigers’ defense is so bad, Dunn couldn’t possibly make it any worse.) Going forward, who cares. If the Tigers offered the most money Dunn would surely accept a DH role, if not you get draft picks when he signs elsewhere.
The Tigers should sell in my opinion, they are not catching the White Sox and have no chance for that wild card spot with the rays there. One game over .500 wont cut it…
Doesn’t sound like the Tigers are going to sell.
You really believe that?
It seems pretty clear that the Nationals want Jackson, but that the Sox want to make the trade happen without him. One of them will end up budging, and this deal will more than likely happen.
Just my opinion.
Yea I heard that too now but I dont really believe it…a couple days ago it seemed like Oswalt was gonna stay too.
I gotta say though… The D’Backs won this trade. Jackson just isn’t that great of a pitcher.
I agree….Hudson was dangled for Oswalt….and he ended up traded for EJax. I love this trade. Just stinks LaRoche wasnt involved. I hope Dbax can unload Heilman, Qualls, Kelly Johnson, Laroche and Snyder in the next 36 hours.
who will we play with? lol
1B Brandon Allen, 2B Abreu, SS- Ciracio. We have arms in the minors in Septimo, Rodriuez, Augustein, etc. Time for Baby Backs Part 3.
Abreu is awful. He should never start another game in the majors. I’d rather re-sign KJ… Laroche, Snyder, Qualls should all be dealt. On the fense with Reynolds.
Come on man…he is a career .313 hitter in the minors with an OPS of .808 and hasnt had a chance to play full time. Only 25, be 26 in November.
He’s just like Alberto Callaspo, maybe hit .300 with singles, never take a walk and have trouble in the field. Dbacks need to keep drew and KJ, I don’t wanna see this guy start.
I’d rather keep KJ. Let Ciracio take over at SS if/when Drew is gone and go after Hawpe/Werth for LF this summer. Parra/Abreu aren’t starting major league players. We’ll have $$ to spend. I think we’ve aquired enough arms thru trade for the bullpen. Hopefully Webb gets healthy and re-signs along with Parker. Saunders/Kennedy aren’t aces.
From everything I’ve read Ciracio is not a starting caliber player, he is supposed to have a nice glove but a very poor bat, I would not be happy if Drew was replaced by him.
he is very athletic and has a gun for an arm. 6 hrs and 51 rbi in Reno so far batting .260. Also has 7 triples so you see the speed. Drew has 4 hrs….playing in Chase…that is sad. I am done with Drew personally, he has regressed big time…and he is a Boras guy.
I understand frustration with Drew but Ciracio’s .278 on base screams back up infielder to me. I don’t think it would be horrible to trade Drew but the best shortstop in the system is Chris Owings down in A ball so a stop gap would be needed until he is ready (if he ever is) and I really would prefer if it was not an all glove guy like Ciracio.
he is very athletic and has a gun for an arm. 6 hrs and 51 rbi in Reno so far batting .260. Also has 7 triples so you see the speed. Drew has 4 hrs….playing in Chase…that is sad. I am done with Drew personally, he has regressed big time…and he is a Boras guy.
From everything I’ve read Ciracio is not a starting caliber player, he is supposed to have a nice glove but a very poor bat, I would not be happy if Drew was replaced by him.
Brandon Allen’s time….18hrs and 60 rbi in 73 games in AAA with an OPS of .950. He hit 20 hrs in 115 games last year. Reminds me of a mini Ryan Howard who should hit 25-30 hrs playing in Chase. I cant wait for Laroche to get dealt…hopefully to Tampa who is stocked in the minors. Laroche is a big upgrade over Aybar at DH.
Brandon Allen’s time….18hrs and 60 rbi in 73 games in AAA with an OPS of .950. He hit 20 hrs in 115 games last year. Reminds me of a mini Ryan Howard who should hit 25-30 hrs playing in Chase. I cant wait for Laroche to get dealt…hopefully to Tampa who is stocked in the minors. Laroche is a big upgrade over Aybar at DH.
neither is hudson, in the bigs at least…i mean come on he gave up 5 runs agains the m’s they are the second worst offensive team in baseball
Actually, he gave up 1 run against the M’s.
Hudson is also much younger and has a longer, cheaper contract. You can’t expect a prospect to come to the bigs and pitch gem after gem after gem. You have to give him time to build. And I believe once Hudson DOES build up to his top potential, he will be 10x the pitcher Jackson will ever be. Just saying…
Strasburg.
Chew on this for the folks who hate the Dbacks trades:
With Pat Corbin, David Holmberg and Tyler Skaggs on board — Skaggs in a week or so — Dbacks will have 11 of top 95 picks from last year’s draft. Plus two instant starters in Saunders (who looked very good against Philly last night, he won 17 in the AL!) and Hudson and a power arm in the pen in Rodriguez.
I couldnt stand Jackson. Good stuff but doesnt know how to pitch.
“good stuff but doesn’t know how to pitch”
This is why he’s been on 5 teams. He’s a thrower, not a pitcher. Teams will always give a guy who can throw 96 a chance, but if you don’t know how to pitch you’re not going to do well. Just look at Turnbow from a few years ago.
LOL White Sox.
Dont forget that a few years ago most of us were wondering what the hell kenny was doing when he traded for John Danks and Gavin Floyd and look at those two, Danks is turning out to be one of the better left handers in the game, and Floyd besides this year is one of the most consistent starters in our system
I also remember people drooling over Brandon McCarthy.
this is true
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Sox are a better team going for and through the playoffs with Jackson than Hudson? With Peavy going down, and Freddy Garcia possibly wearing down through the stretch, a pitching move is just as wise/more wise than adding another bat to a lineup that has been scoring runs at will lately.
Pitching is a need for this team.
Hudson is over-hyped from what I have seen from him this season. If we get Dunn, fine, but this team is not worse w/o Hudson going out there every fifth start.
There’s another move coming for the White Sox. I’m not sure it’s worth the time discussing Jackson’s impact on team at this point. He might only be changing planes at O’Hare.
If the Sox do move Jackson for a bat, who are they going to run out on the mound every fifth game? Santos?
why not? its not like the 5th starter is supposed to be an ace, seriously the 5th starter, if you look at stats, is simply supposed to go out there throw 5-6 innings, have a 3-4 era and end up wth a .500 record…jackson is not an ace(yes over paid) but he is brought here to be a 4th or 5th starter, thus eat innings and keep the team in…lets not forget that our team has much better defense and offense than the dback do right now so maybe that makes this deal a good one for us. Also cooper has a habit of fixing some guys….Thornton and Floyd, also he has helped danks
also torres isnt that bad of a pitcher, he had some very good games last year and not that horrible in the minors…even fangraphs(the holy grail for baseball fans) say this deal is not that bad…its not great but not bad
KW might be in on a LH bat and a pitcher….could be seperate deals. I’m wondering if a Prince Fielder deal is lurking. The Brewers didn’t want Hudson. Maybe they’d rather have Jackson…..I believe theyhave shown an interest in the past. Not sure who would go to Milwaukee with Jackson.
Just rent a car at O’Hare, Hudson, if that’s the case….it’s a nice short drive to the cheese state. Wonder where Edwin is going in the offseason with all the frequent flier miles he’s accumulated?
thats Simple 4-man rotation.. they didn’t need Jackson but now they can package Jackson with a prospect for Adam Dunn
The white sox were also inquiring about bretty myers…so possibly they trade for him
when the white sox get dunn , send viciedo , jarred mitchell , and santos rodriguez to the astros .
if you want a world series this is what you’ll have to send for a pitcher like myers , especially since it’s the astros , you’ll have to overpay quite a bit .
White Sox gave up way too much for a pitcher who will be gone when Peavy returns next year.. Hudson was their best pitching prospect they should have used him in a deal to get a power bat that they needed like Adam Dunn.. Jackson is slightly above average.. his no-hitter was more of a fluke then anything..
and speaking of no hitters the day Matt Garza no hit the Tigers they said it was the 5-no hitter for the season they are mistaken it was the 3rd no-hitter and 6th overall no-no.. Armando aka “Andres” Galaraga threw a perfect game.. Selig is a douche for not over turning the call…either way Jackson will be traded again this winter.. Peavy will be stronger and better then ever next March..
So the D’backs get themselves fleeced by the Angels, only to turn around and fleece the White Sox.
Why does baseball need to be so darn confusing?
who guesses after EJax’s contract is up he signs a new one for less money but a limited no trade clause.hahaha…poor kid
well so far the sox are winning the al central trades. Since the twins acquired matt capps they have lost 1/2 game, since the sox acquired jackson no ground has been lost
well so far the sox are winning the al central trades. Since the twins acquired matt capps they have lost 1/2 game, since the sox acquired jackson no ground has been lost
I really hope they flip Jackson for Dunn. But I love Edwin Jackson and I am really happy he was traded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You people are crazy to call this deal a fleecing on the White Sox. I don’t think Hudson would ever have been more than a #3 probably #4 at best—- in the American League. I think that is the key to Clayton Richard and John Ely. Its not that they were so good that the White Sox didn’t notice its that the National League is the inferior league between the two when it comes to offense. Thats not to put down the National League at all. It just means with the way the game is played in the senior circuit with the double switches and the pitcher batting ninth with the # 8 hitter and so on and so forth… It doesn’t lend itself to an offensive flow where you can score 7 runs at will like you can in the American League. Hence the teams in the National League with the borderline pitchers can actually stand out. Daniel Hudson will only be a great pitcher in the National League I believe.
what are the chances they keep freddy for next year. so we keep ej and peavy. Mark John Gavin Jake and EJ for a 5…
I’m wondering if KW questioned Hudson’s durability for a pennant drive and postseason.