It doesn't look like David Ortiz will get the extension he was looking for. Red Sox GM Theo Epstein says the club explored an extension with Ortiz before picking up his 2011 option and determined to go one year at a time, according to Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com (on Twitter). Epstein says the one-year, $12.5MM option made the most sense for the Red Sox, according to Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald (on Twitter).
Ortiz has repeatedly said he'd like the security of a multiyear deal and though the Red Sox aren't ruling it out completely, the chances seem remote at this point. The 34-year-old batted .270/.370/.529 with 32 homers last year.
1st? Oh please let me be 1st! haha
2nd?
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wtf, seriously?
lol… I wish there was a dislike button.
Sorry man, it was a joke just about how annoying it is. It won’t happen again. Haha
lol i thought it was funny, i knew it was a joke. i hate when ppl do it though!
I also vote for a dislike button!!!!!
lol i thought it was funny, i knew it was a joke. i hate when ppl do it though!
I also vote for a dislike button!!!!!
Big Papi’s dominating the headlines huh? Hope he can hit better than .148 next April and earn his paycheck. It’s not a bad strategy. Same thing with Papelbon. These guys are gonna be motivated to play hard for their next paycheck. Of course the players want longterm security, who wouldn’t? I think there’s potential for the Ortiz deal to work well. See how Beltre did on a 1 year deal?
That’s a pretty good slash statistic line.
So this makes me worry somewhat that ortiz could be so frustrated that he could be a problem for the team next year, almost a T.O. or Randy Moss situation. I hope he is not and I wish him well but for some reason I worry that he is not happy. Hopefully this will have a good effect on him instead of a negative.
Oddly, I’m going to agree with you and it’s something that just crossed my mind. Truth be told, he’ll be playing for future years so no I don’t think he’ll tank voluntarily, but you’ve got to admit, he probably isn’t happy at the moment. He clearly stated he wanted years over dollars. This Ortiz dilimena was easily avoidable, however Esptein decided to take it head on, right out of the gates. Why? I do not know…
Did he say that he wanted years OVER dollars, or did he just say he wanted years. The way I’ve seen this whole situation play out, he’s overvalued his likely future productivity as well as the current market’s respect for DHs. I’ve taken his comments to suggest that he wanted a deal with similar annual payouts for the next two plus years. Perhaps I’ve missed what you’ve read.
“Oddly, I’m going to agree with you”
thats a first….fantasy theo and skanks fan with their first agreement!!! lol
im sure he will play hard but for some reason i just see Manny pt. 2
The difference here is that Ortiz can’t afford to dog it. Manny could “technically” play the field and even on his worst day was still a better overall hitter than Ortiz (And to be fair, he probably could’ve gotten a four year offer if he hadn’t pulled that crap, in the end his contract with the Dodgers wasn’t worth any more than his options with the Sox). Ortiz is limited to AL teams and already has tons of questions about his abilities going forward. If Ortiz dogs it, he’s looking at a 1 year, $3-4MM deal in Seattle or something, especially with most teams moving away from the concept of a full time DH anyway.
If he tries to put on a drama queen act the Sox should shove him out the door
You signed a contract. You honor your contract. This bs about not wanting to deal with the same scrutiny that he endured this past season over whether or not his option would be exercised is rubbish. He put together a solid year and has meant a lot to the Red Sox organization in his time here but Ortiz should just count himself lucky if they do exercise his option and just forget about the silly notion of an extension all together.
If this is the way they are thinking the Sox had better kiss any “home town discount” good bye if Papi has a big year
I like it as long as Papi doesnt bitch about it, hope he doesnt he is a New England hero!
I would have kicked him to the curb and explored other options, this guy is just going to moan about this.
Ortiz was one of the best sure options out there (assuming Dunn won’t DH) and he was already within the organization where they didn’t have to compete with other teams for his services. I think the Sox are going to tell him that if he wants that multi year deal he needs to suck it up and have a huge year and I’m sure he knows this. If he does bad he won’t have a chance of a multi year deal
Vladimir Guerrero for starters
Not a Theo kind of guy. Vlad swings at every pitch he can reach.
Beltre is just like that and look how he turned out
In four fewer at bats, Beltre saw 400 more pitches than Vlad. Not Theo’s ideal, but not Guererro either. The glove made him worth it.
Big Papi got Papelboned, its clear both wont be back next year
Not a bad situation. Full disclaimer, I have always been a fan of Papi. Ortiz is a good player (not great anymore) but he is a bit of a liability (can only DH and bat is on the downslope). He rebounded for good season numbers but that two years in a row he’s been awful at the start. Papelbon is another story. He made it known he intends to test FA because the Sox “forced him” to be closer, costing him millions he’d make as a starter. His 2010 performance and attitude booked his ticket out of town after 2011. I predict a monster 2011 to guarantee he gets paid, then the job gets handed to Bard while Papelbon does his staredown crap for whoever offers the most.
I really hope you read this and its not an old thread, Papelbon wasnt “forced” to close, he chose it, the Sox had him as a starter and he even started a few games in 06 before he told management he wanted to be a closer.
Eh yes and no. Management really hoped he would embrace the closer role, especially after Keith Foulke’s injury. Maybe force is too strong a word. The plan was for JP to start 2006 in the rotation, then when Foulke couldn’t come back, that was when management made their plans known. I remember that offseason he reported it was on his mind constantly, he asked family for advice, ect. Then yes, before ST he informed management he would assume the closer role as they hoped he would.
…tisk…tisk…tisk… All you RedSox fans were just loving Big Papi just two years ago.
Now that he’s declining most of you want to kick him to the curb, complaining that he’s overpaid. shame on you all!!
That option is not really that bad for what he can do and more importantly what has done in the past.
I’m betting he has a bounce back year, comes back with big salary demands and the same ingrates complain that he’s greedy.
What would you have the Sox do? Offer 3 years $36M and pay for past performance and an aging bat? That’s not smart baseball business. Papi is beloved in Boston regardless. Everyone pulls for the guy even if he catches flack for slumps. I think he’ll come around and end up doing what Petitte and Wakefield have been doing (year to year deals). Play for pay, plain and simple.
Not saying any of that. My issue is that all the front running Sox fans are saying ‘he stinks’, ‘let him go ‘ etc etc. The Red Sox have done the right thing, picked up the option and will take it from there. His slow starts have not hurt the Sox’s bottom line at the end of the year.Look at his overall numbers. Had Boston not suffered so many key injuries throughout the season, and made the playoffs, all this hoopla about his age, and poor start would have flown under the radar. you can easily see where everyone would be more than happy to forego the option and just extend him. Ortiz and his contract issue is being used as a convinient scapegoat by all.
Not saying any of that. My issue is that all the front running Sox fans are saying ‘he stinks’, ‘let him go ‘ etc etc. The Red Sox have done the right thing, picked up the option and will take it from there. His slow starts have not hurt the Sox’s bottom line at the end of the year.Look at his overall numbers. Had Boston not suffered so many key injuries throughout the season, and made the playoffs, all this hoopla about his age, and poor start would have flown under the radar. you can easily see where everyone would be more than happy to forego the option and just extend him. Ortiz and his contract issue is being used as a convinient scapegoat by all.
What kind of a contract do you think Jeter should get?
I personally would prefer to give Jeter a 2 year deal at his current salary with an option for the 3rd or buyout.But here’s the rub, if you’re looking to draw a parallel or comparison between the two, you’re not being fair to Ortiz. Cliche or not, Jeter is an icon and his value includes more than just on the field performance to the Yankees franchise. While Ortiz is a very popular figure in Boston, he doesn’t have the save value to the Red Sox franchise. Jeter can take his name Cache to any team this coming season and command $6-7MM easily, taking into account that he’s 74 shy of the magic 3,000 hits, to see that occur is worth big money and press to any team. To the Yankees organization that’s priceless,(excuse yet another cliche). As painful as it may sound to you, Jeter is a guy that right now commands as artificiallly high price tag any where he goes. Ortiz will have to put up the same numbers this coming year to get any kind of decent money. Were he to leave Boston, he would become David Ortiz, or just Papi.
You kind of made my point.
While I’ve made it clear I’m FOR picking up Ortiz’s option, he doesn’t carry the gravitas of Jeter, yet Yankee fans all over this site are saying the Yanks should just let him walk. I love Ortiz and the contributions he’s made (We’re at like 90-something years and counting without him), but he’s already been supplanted as the face of the franchise by guys like Pedroia and Youkilis already.
Unless the guy legitimately pulls a Manny on his way out, I won’t say a word against Ortiz, but I WILL admit I’m not comfortable going more than year to year with him and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Glad to help.
But i really don’t think would turn on his team like manny. Course prior to 2006 i wouldn’t have said that about manny.
They should’ve declined his option, then signed Vladdy for the 9MM that his option was for.
You would get more production for cheaper along with more speed. After all, a turtle is still faster than a snail.
It’s not that we aren’t loyal, David Ortiz is a great guy and a good player. But he is on the back end of his career. 2006 David Ortiz is GONE. A contract between a player and a baseball Franchise is business, it isn’t a marriage. So if a team does not want to resign a veteran player because he just isn’t what he once was is fine. That’s what the Sox are basically telling Ortiz, “Hey thanks for what you did, you know we love you but this is it for you on this team.” That is completely fine with me, hopefully Ortiz will agree and end the relationship on a good note and maybe retire as a Boston Red Sox. If not that’s also fine, no matter where he goes, even if it was the Yankees I will still stand up and Applaud him, I appreciate what he did for us, but it’s time to move on, this is Business not a Marriage.
“Ortiz has repeatedly said he’d like the security of a multiyear deal”
id like to know what kind of security a baseball player who has made over $71 million in his career (without endorsements) needs?
he has to feed his family!!!
wont anyone think about the children??
yeah, I’m sorry…
he has to feed his family!!!
wont anyone think about the children??
“Ortiz has repeatedly said he’d like the security of a multiyear deal”
id like to know what kind of security a baseball player who has made over $71 million in his career (without endorsements) needs?
Papi has been paid over a million dollars per month for the past two years for contributions previously rendered. Enough is enough. If he wants multiple years, I say, offer him a 2/yr deal with a $6,250,000 base each year and $6,250,000 in incentives based upon AB’s, hits, slugging, RBI’s and successful opportunities per at bat, when a man (or men) are on second and/or third. He may have had 32 dingers and 102 rbi’s in 2010 but it seems as though he killed more rallies with big strike outs or hitting soft ground balls into a shift, than any player on the Red Sox. He came on in September but what about the other 5 months? With guys like Youk, Pedroia, Scutaro and Beltre hitting ahead of him he should have had 140+ RBI’s last year…. IMHO, he should stay as far away from his eatery as he can, and come in to camp, in February, without the big belly, for a change….
I hear you hawk, those 102 rbi’s also seem a llitle empty to me; I feel that he hit his homers and his doubles when they didnt matter; I dont know his BA with RISP, but I’d like to…
Papi was .298/.409/.571 with RISP according to Yahoo Sports.
Pretty sure that, except for ABs, the CBA doesn’t allow performance contingencies to be written into contracts. I know games played are ok, and it seems to me that ABs (or maybe PAs) are as well, but the rest of it is 100% against the agreement.
You are correct. Basing it off of award voting is acceptable, but you can’t write actual stat based performance incentives in.