THURSDAY, 2:25pm: The Marlins have had internal discussions about third base options, but never discussed possible deals with the Giants, according to Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.com.
WEDNESDAY, 3:59pm: DeRosa is headed to the DL, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News (on Twitter). Though the repaired tendon in his wrist is fine, the area around it is inflamed. If the Marlins are going to make a run at DeRosa, it probably won't happen for a few weeks at least.
12:44pm: The Marlins "have begun weighing the merits of making a run at" Giants infielder Mark DeRosa, reports Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. DeRosa could be a solution for the Fish at third base for the remainder of the season, after which his contract is up.
DeRosa, 36, is hitting well in a small 20 plate appearance sample this season. With a crowded outfield and no openings at second base or the infield corners, the Giants may consider DeRosa expendable. Not only could they get a useful player back, but they could also clear a portion of DeRosa's $6MM salary. An extra $2-3MM would be helpful to the Giants, who may have limited payroll flexibility in the 2011-12 offseason unless they move some salary.
The Marlins considered giving the third base job to top prospect Matt Dominguez out of Spring Training, but instead sent him to Triple-A on March 24th. Eight days later Dominguez fractured his elbow. As a whole, Greg Dobbs, Donnie Murphy, Emilio Bonifacio, and Wes Helms are hitting .286/.353/.416 on the season while manning third base for the Marlins.
Please This. Also, it would allow us to keep Nate when Torres gets back from the DL. I love Mark DeRosa and he is a great clubhouse guy but if we can get some prospects i’m so down.
I wouldn’t think the Giants would get “some prospects” unless they ate pretty much every dollar remaining on that deal. I might look for a AA arm or some other organizational piece in return. It’s not as though he’s the missing piece to a Series winner.
The Marlins don’t have much left in the farm system, the deal would probably either be a salary dump for SF or for whomever is the best of the second rate prospects left on the Florida farm
Its obviously not gonna be an elite prospect mostly because of DeRosa’s serious health issues, but a guy who can get on base at an above average rate and play at least 4 positions is pretty valuable. He’s not gonna come as just a salary dump. The Giants have plenty of money right now and DeRosa comes off the books at the end of the year so he’s not really a burden for them. Freeing up a roster spot might be nice, but he’s too good to just dump for nothing. If they’re looking for a straight salary dump, Rowand has played well enough to convince someone to eat 25-40% of his contract and in Cody Ross the Giants already have someone much like Rowand on the roster. Fontenot could serve as a backup at 3 IF positions for a short time, but I doubt they want to go with that little IF depth for an extended period of time.
How the depth plays out in the IF depends a lot on how well Burriss plays. His glove has always been pretty solid, but if he can hit even at about Fontenot’s 2010 pace, that’s both your backups being decent utility players
What are you talking about? Burriss has always been awful defensively. He’s never been much with the bat either until this season in AAA. The only thing he really brings for sure is speed and he’s not even that good of a baserunner.
This would make all parties happier.
That’s not a bad slash line from the Marlins 3B. Maybe I’m biased because in StL we haven’t sniffed that slash line from 3B since Glaus.
Don’t really see the pressing need on the Marlins part unless they view that line as unsustainable (and will DeRosa do much better anyway?). Meanwhile the Giants could dump DeRosa, but they don’t need to and he still provides depth value. All this makes a less than ideal trade scenario. A team that doesn’t really need to trade for a player talking to a team that doesn’t really need to trade him away… This one might not happen until one of the teams gets desperate.
That would mean DeRosa got $10 mill and a World Series ring for being hurt!
Why can’t I be so lucky????
The Marlins won’t give up anything of value. And they probably wouldn’t even want to take on DeRosa’s salary. This early in the season the Giants are most likely better off keeping DeRosa for depth.
The Marlins will need to make “a run”? I figure they’ll just give a list of their 20th-40th ranked prospects and tell the Giants to pick one.
Why don’t they go after Jose Lopez? He’s younger, he’s $2.4MM less and they could get him at a discounted rate considering he’s 2 or 3 on the depth chart for the Rockies 2B job or even Wiggington? They could even go after Ian Stewart, he’s struggling so far this season but is unstoppable in Triple-A. His line? .429/.556/.906 through 6 games.
all of these guys are better options than DeRosa…
Neither Stewart (due to potential) or Wigginton (due to versatility) are reasonable gets for FLA. As for Lopez, would FLA really want him? Since the beginning of the 2010 season, his net WAR is 0.5 (FG), though his BABIP has been unreasonably low (and likely to rise), so perhaps FLA can catch lightning in a bottle.
Lopez isn’t better than DeRosa
Though he’s overpaid for being a back up, he’s insurance if Sandoval or Sanchez get hurt or play poorly enough to be benched (I’m looking @ you, Miggy). People seem to forget that Mike Fontenot is the ONLY back up IF (not counting 1B). So far Little Lord Fontenot is 0/17 against RIGHTIES!
well put. Can’t imagine the Giants trading DeRosa to keep 3 backup OFs. Ford will be sent down before DeRosa traded
I think they’re kinda talking about after Torres comes back AND Belt comes back up. That might not be all that far away.
Yea, if they made this kind of deal to free up a roster spot to keep all of Rowand, Torre, Ross, Burrell, Huff, and Belt on the roster at the same time then Fontenot’s availabilty as a PH becomes extremely limited since he’s the only IF backup and Huff had better take some groundballs at 3B again in case of emergency. Trading Rowand while he looks like the old Rowand and somebody might eat a couple million of his salary remains the best option.
Maybe the Rays will take Kevin Kouzmanoff for a tube of Icy Hot. That would make Oakland fans happy.
Yep. If I’m the Giants I’m not in a hurry to unload DeRosa. Anyone wants to overpay for him, great I’m open to it. But the Marlins can sure as hell keep ALL of their prospects 20-39 or any low-ball organizational crap they’d be willing to send over for DeRosa.
Andrew Baggarly just tweeted DeRosa is headed to the DL and Manny Burriss is being called up.
DeRosa can also play OF.
Maybe the Marlins can trade for Luke Scott, who should start hitting better now that he doesn’t have to concentrate on being a completely retarded birther anymore.
DeRosa has got to go. I know he’s a “clubhouse guy” and everything, but hes a bust. He’s a waste of a roster space. Borderline worthless. Now with this new injury, hes going to be virtually impossible to get rid of. Great.
If DeRosa is on the DL, it doesn’t count as a roster space.
Unless he’s on the 60-day DL, he’s still using a space on the 40-man roster.
the only guy not currently on the 40 man who could conceivably be called up in the near future is Kroon, and there are at least a couple other candidates on the 40 man that could be cut.
Just his versatility alone makes him somewhere above worthless. Mike Fontenot is the textbook definition of worthless.
??? Worthless? He’s an very good defensive 2B, probably just as good defensively as Tejada at SS and he rakes RHP. .271/.336/.441 career vs righties is very good for a middle infielder. When you have two right handed hitting middle infielders he’s a pretty ideal backup. With Torres out he’s probably the 3rd best left handed hitter on the roster and the only bench player with strong split stats vs righties. I think he’s probably a better all around player than Tejada at this point. He’s definitely not worthless.
i don’t see it. marlins will look for someone at third, but not derosa
I’d rather trade Tejada. I like DeRosa.
So would I.
However, Tejada is not only untradeable, he’d easily clear waivers if the Giants released him. No value.
Wouldn’t everyone in the Giants organization ?
DeRosa being injuried puts the deal on hold. It doesn’t look good for DeRosa right now. You can put DeRosa on the DL for now.
this makes absolutely no sense seeing how derosa is not playing short stop over miggie right now because his wrist is injured again. that is the only reason he has only 20 at bats. watch the games folks, listen to the giants commentators… they are not lying. he is injured.. so if we trade away a great giant and an all around great clubhouse guy to the marlins because he is injured than that sucks for the marlins more than anything. we pay him way too much to always have a sore wrist but whatever..i have no idea why in the heck any team would trade any type of player deal for someone who is guaranteed to have a messed up wrist for the rest of the year… seems pretty stupid! i love derosa and hope he stays a giant… if you want to get into paying people too much then lets talk about ZITO!
Jorge Cantu would look really nice back right about now… Thanks a bunch for just letting him walk and he sat and sat and sat before getting that chump change contract with the Padres. One has to wonder what in the heck was going through Beinfest’s head with no real veteran back up, with exception of maybe Helms and Bonifacio and Bonifacio is a horrid defender at every position, with Helms a PH who is good only in spurts.
Very short sighted thinking on the part of the Fish here.
This wasn’t exactly in the plans. Eric Chavez might have been the only good alternative but the Marlins’ FO really believed that Dominguez would be ready. Besides all that, though, no one wants to see Jorge at 3rd. He’s a horrible defender and he wouldn’t offer much more than what we already have.
Not really, Cantu really does suck. He’s no good defensively(anywhere on the field) and his bat-speed looks completely shot. They didn’t let him walk either, he was traded to the Rangers. Be thankful they got even a warm body for him….
Cantu is horrible