Less than a month after landing Sonny Gray, the Red Sox have acquired another prominent veteran talent from St. Louis. Boston has landed first baseman Willson Contreras and $8MM in cash considerations from the Cardinals in exchange for a package of three right-handed pitchers — Hunter Dobbins and prospects Yhoiker Fajardo and Blake Aita.
Contreras and his agents at Octagon negotiated an extra $1MM bonus for Contreras to approve the trade, as the veteran’s contract includes a full no-trade clause. The final two guaranteed seasons of Contreras’ contract and the club option on his services for 2028 have been slightly reworked, so he’ll now receive $18MM in 2026, $17MM in 2027, and the Red Sox hold a $20MM club option on his services in 2028, with a $7.5MM buyout. (The previous terms included salaries of $18MM and $18.5MM in 2026-27, plus a $5MM buyout on a 2028 club option valued at$17.5MM.)
The final accounting works out to $42.5MM in guaranteed money for Contreras over the remainder of his deal. Factoring in the Cardinals’ $8MM contribution, Boston’s commitment to Contreras is $34.5MM in salary, and his luxury tax number is $17.25MM.
When the Cards were first exploring a rebuild last winter, neither Contreras or Gray was open to waiving their no-trade protection. After a lackluster 78-84 season sent the Cards more firmly looking towards the future, Gray, Contreras, and Nolan Arenado (who blocked a deal to the Astros last winter) all indicated in recent months that they were more open to accepting a trade.
In Contreras’ case, he cracked the door open at the end of season by saying that “if something comes up…and it makes sense for me and my future, how about we talk about that?” Contreras said. The first baseman stressed that he was still eager to contribute as a veteran leader within the Cardinals’ rebuild, though reports emerged a few weeks ago that Contreras was showing an increased willingness to waive his no-trade clause and move on to a new challenge.

Regardless, it would seem like Contreras is at least a passable defender at the cold corner, and the Red Sox can live with only so-so defense as long as the former All-Star continues to hit. Contreras batted .257/.344/.447 with 20 home runs over 563 PA in 2025, translating to a 124 wRC+. A career-low 7.8% walk rate was a concern and Contreras has always been prone to strikeouts, but he continued to make consistently hard and productive contact. Contreras is a right-handed batter, which helps balance out a Boston lineup that tilts to the left side.
Contreras’ final four seasons in Chicago overlapped with Craig Breslow’s time working in the Cubs’ front office, before Breslow was hired to take over Boston’s baseball operations department following the 2023 season. Breslow’s tenure has thus far been defined by significant trades, ranging from the deals that brought Gray, Garrett Crochet, and now Contreras to Fenway Park, and last June’s surprising move that sent Rafael Devers to the Giants.
One of the many factors involved in the Devers trade was Devers’ displeasure over being asked to move to first base in the wake of Triston Casas’ season-ending knee surgery in early May. While Romy Gonzalez and deadline pickup Nathaniel Lowe helped fill the first base void, there was little doubt the Sox were going to address the position in a larger fashion this winter. Pete Alonso, Isaac Paredes, Kazuma Okamoto, Munetaka Murakami, and Bryce Eldridge were among the first base candidates on Boston’s radar on the free agent and trade fronts this winter, and Cotillo reported last week that Contreras was another name under consideration.
With Contreras now in the fold, a Casas trade now looks increasingly likely. Casas has been floated in trade talks even dating back to last winter and prior to his knee surgery, and despite his injury-shortened season, rival clubs figure to have interest in the former top prospect. Conversely, if the Sox could figure out a way to dump Masataka Yoshida’s contract, Casas could share first base/DH duties with Contreras.
Adding a first baseman solves another piece of Boston’s infield puzzle, and turns a position from a weak link into a strength. The Red Sox remain linked to such other major infield names as Bo Bichette or old friend Alex Bregman, and Contreras’ $36MM price tag shouldn’t prevent the Sox from spending big on either of those names, even considering Boston’s recent wariness about major financial commitments. Trading an outfielder could further shake up the position-player mix, and there have been consistent rumors about the possibility of the Sox moving an outfielder for pitching.
The Red Sox entered the winter with a lot of pitching depth in terms of young arms, yet were lacking proven frontline hurlers that could join Crochet and Brayan Bello in the rotation. Gray was one answer, and fellow trade pickup Johan Oviedo could be another after Oviedo was acquired from the Pirates. This has made Breslow more comfortable in trading from further down his pitching depth chart, and after moving Richard Fitts and prospect Brandon Clarke to St. Louis for Gray, Breslow has now parted ways with Dobbins, Fajardo, and Aida.
The equation has been pretty simple for Breslow. The CBO has been willing to move some (i.e. Jhostynxon Garcia, Kyle Teel) of Boston’s more highly-touted prospects while hanging onto the likes of Marcelo Mayer, Roman Anthony, and Kristian Campbell, and also moving some pitchers that no longer seem to be in Boston’s plans. In Dobbins’ case, he isn’t even going to be available for the Cardinals’ Opening Day roster, as the righty tore his right ACL last July. This was the second right ACL tear Dobbins has endured, plus he has a Tommy John surgery on his checkered health history.
Dobbins made his MLB debut in 2025, and posted a 4.13 ERA, 6.6% walk rate, and 17.6% strikeout rate over his first 61 innings in the Show. An eighth round pick for the Sox in the 2021 draft, Dobbins is more of grounder-heavy pitcher than a big strikeout arm, but his slider and curveball have good whiff rates as complements to his 95.5mph fastball. Significant questions remain about Dobbins’ durability, but the 26-year-old right-hander has less than a year of MLB service time and now projects to be a longer-term add to the St. Louis rotation.
Cardinals president of baseball ops Chaim Bloom is plenty familiar with Dobbins, as Bloom was running Boston’s front office when Dobbins came into the organization. Interestingly, of the five pitchers obtained by the Cardinals in the Contreras and Gray trades, Dobbins is the only one who was part of Boston’s organization when Bloom was still there.
Fitts and (when healthy) Dobbins can factor in the Cardinals’ rotation picture as early as 2026. Dobbins doesn’t at all fit Bloom’s desire to add another veteran arm to the rotation, yet finding an innings-eater is a short-term goal, whereas Dobbins is part of the bigger picture. That has been the story of this offseason in St. Louis, as with Bloom now fully installed atop the decision-making pyramid, the Cardinals are embarking on the rebuild they considered but then backed away from last winter.
Trading Contreras removes another big chunk of salary from the Cards’ books. An Arenado deal could be the next step, though that trade will be trickier due to both Arenado’s salary and the fact that (unlike Contreras or Gray) Arenado is coming off a rough 2025 season. Other players like Brendan Donovan and JoJo Romero have also been regularly mentioned in trade rumors. One player St. Louis wasn’t very willing to move is Alec Burleson, who now looks to step right into the everyday first base role with Contreras gone.
Fajardo was an international signing for the White Sox in 2024, and he has now been traded twice before his 20th birthday. Fajardo changed his Sox when Chicago sent him Boston a year ago in the Cam Booser trade, and the righty had a 2.25 ERA, 28.8% strikeout rate, and a 9.4% walk rate over 72 innings in rookie ball and with A-level Salem in 2025. MLB Pipeline ranked Fajardo 23rd on their ranking of the top 30 Red Sox prospects, describing the teenager as “a potential mid-rotation starter” whose four-seam fastball can hit 97mph.
Aita was a sixth-round pick for the Red Sox in the 2024 draft. His first pro season saw the 22-year-old right-hander post a 3.98 ERA in 115 1/3 combined innings in Salem and at high-A Greenville, with a 21.4% strikeout rate and 6.5% walk rate. As per Geoff Pontes of Baseball America, Aita technically has a five-pitch arsenal but he rarely throws his slider. Aita’s fastball is in the 92-93mph range but with plenty of movement, and there’s also a lot of movement and spin on his sweeper and cutter.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan (multiple links) was the first to report that Contreras was going to Boston for Dobbins and multiple minor league pitchers, with The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal later identifying Fajardo and Aita. ESPN’s Jesse Rogers reported the detail of Contreras’ $1MM bonus for waiving his no-trade clause. MassLive’s Chris Cotillo reported the $8MM heading from St. Louis to Boston, and Cotillo and The Athletic’s Katie Woo had the details on the reworked money in Contreras’ contract.
Inset picture courtesy of Isaiah J. Downing — Imagn Images

Wow, they finally made the big move. Curious who they gave up.
Pitching, pitching, pitching
@Dbird777 But not real pitching. Just some fringy arms. Contreras is not a particularly bright prize, a 2 win 1Bman turning 34, with the Cardinals only eating a modest fraction of what he’s owe. He’s a decent bet to be respectable, but there’s what… 25-33% chance that he’s not worth a regular lineup spot as soon as 2026? He might hang on into 2027 as a platoon bat vs LHP, but it’s hard to picture him being worth 2+ wins in each of 2026 and 2027.
I think I agree with everything you said, but I think its a great move. 2 WAR out of first base is nothing to sneeze at. He cost about what he’s worth, and he moved from a rebuilding team to one trying to compete. I’d rather my team took this approach then signing Schwarber or Alonso.
Not a bad first step, but hopefully more to come soon.
Uncle – I called it! Not exactly the “slugger” we wanted obviously, averaging only 17 HR a year. Casas can’t be happy about this, as I don’t think Contreras will catch more than 60 games if any. Gotta believe if something happens with Narvaez or Wong, he would at least help fill in?
Fever- I still think they are going to pick up a bat. Maybe Suarez who would also take care of 3rd.
No chance he catches at all.
You must be so proud
FPG
I predict he will not catch a single inning in a 9 inning game all year barring multiple injuries in the same game.
I also predict fans will be happy with the acquisition and he will do very well at the plate.
MLB – Okay bookmark this ;O)
I mean he caught 51 games just last year, it’s not like he hasn’t caught in forever. As many people mentioned, it was injuries not performance that resulted in him switching to first base.
In fact last year he was middle of the pack with an even zero DRS (min 400 innings).
Tbh I was hoping the Giants would make this move. A catcher who can hit would be great.
He’s not a catcher (outside of an occasional start if in an injury pinch) anymore, 1B/DH. Really solid at-bat, he’ll take at Fenway. You’ll also love how hard he plays and wears his emotion on his sleeve.
Uncle – I’d approve of that, Suarez would be a great addition for what they need.
The defense and strikeouts aren’t great, but overall it would be a great move for the price.
hasn’t caught since 2024
And Red Sox will still finish in 3rd place…maybe! Better hope Bregman signs to lock in 3rd place
As a Cardinal fan I wish him well. One tough hombre. However his power stroke is to straight away center, not a heavy pull side dude.
He didn’t catch 51 games last year. That was 2024. All he did was DH and play 1st last year. This guy is no longer a catcher. He is your new first baseman.
Contreras is not going to catch.
Taint – That’s more of a coaching issue. Narvaez & Wong had a ridiculous amount of CI last season, they were being told to get closer to the plate.
I suppose since it is still December 2025 you are both saying the same thing if by last year he means 2024 with 2025 being this year and 2026 being next year.
Last year and last season are different and he said last year. But as I said before, I think he is a 1B/DH who will only catch when multiple in-game injuries occur.
By last year, you mean 2024, not 2025. The Cardinals never liked his handling of pitchers. He was famously thrown under the bus early in his first season in St. Louis, when they moved him to full time DH before he eventually returned to catching duties.
Your prediction is that the guy who doesn’t catch anymore won’t catchy anymore? Bold!
This is only partially true. Jack Flaherty threw him under the bus to try to explain why he was so awful. He got a lot better after that.
With the Fenway Conversion Rate, that’s about 25 dingers.
He isn’t a catcher because the Cardinals didn’t like his framing. If a team wanted to he could be their catcher. I am not saying it would be a smart move.
Bill – ABS begins next year, so framing will be less important.
Some people here just have severe tunnel vision, they don’t understand context or change.
Willson was a league-average catcher last year. Its hard to believe if Casas begins raking again and Wong or Narvaez get injured that Contreras wouldn’t fill in.
FPG
You called it. I don’t hate this move. Definitely an upgrade from last year. I hope they hold onto Casas, could be a nice platoon at 1stbase with Contreras. What are they going to do with the 4 outfielders and Yoshida?. Do they go into the season with all 5 players? I’m still hoping for that top of the rotation pitcher,but I think they believe the rotation is set.
Fever…
You did indeed call this one.
Here’s to hoping they pull something off for either Marte or Donovan for 2B, Mayer slides to 3B & they sign Ranger Suarez.
cdc – hi! I’m reserving judgement until we find out what other moves are made. If no other sluggers are added to the lineup, I’ll be disappointed.
I bet Casas starts in the minors and gets the Yoshida treatment, unless some team makes a decent offer.
One thing I always note, who is not scheduled to appear at FSG Fest. Of all the outfielders, Duran is the only one who is not scheduled ….. that’s probably a clue his days are numbered.
FPG
Interesting Fsg fest note. I’m starting to think if they trade one of Duran / Abreu I hope they keep Duran. I realize his 2025 wasn’t as great as his 2024: season but he is just so dynamic. He is so much fun to watch. His energy and speed will be sorely missed.
cdc – hi!
I agree Duran has more of an impact right now, but from the Sox perspective he’s much older and more expensive so he’s probably the one to go. And unfortunately there’s always the possibility he has a relapse of his personal issues. I do think all the trade talk last year impacted his performance.
@spud. Thats not true. I just looked at his baseball savant page and he is absolutely a pullside power hitter.
If they keep Casas and he is hitting a ton, Contreras will be catching games, if Casas doesn’t hit, Contreras will be at 1st base. If Contreras doesn’t hit and Dobbins wins 12 games on a bad Cardinals team…. it will be a “Tolle” on the Boston faithful and could be an “Early” end to Breslow’s career in the front office.
ABS – Well said!
I simply can’t imagine the Sox going with a 3rd-string catcher when they’ve got a perfectly good catcher already on the roster.
Lol ABS. No chance Contreras catches unless there are two injuries or an extra innings situation.
Breslow isnt going anywhere. He’s building a powerhouse. Get used to it.
I think if Casas is hitting a ton you have to get him ABs.
He cant play anywhere but first base.
Casas is a 40 HR type of player from the left-hand side, .850 OPS in ’23 and it is only his age 26 season. I guess you can DH him and take Yoshida’s bat out of the lineup. Yoshida is a career .282/.337/.425 hitter, Nippon HOF, another good lefty bat that Boston needs in the lineup.
Contreras is a good hitter, but your best lineup features Duran, Yoshida, Anthony, Contreras, Casas, Abreu, Story, Mayer, Rafaella and that is only possible with Contreras at catcher.
You can’t sign your way out of the Casas / Yoshida jam up. Id think Casas and Yoshida’s trade market could be real good but do you really want to trade either?
Casas has ‘potential’ to hit 40 HRs. Can he stay healthy? Lets face it both injuries were very simple activities. Swinging and Running to first base. Hes not expected to be ready for Opening Day. either.
Id say leave Casas down in Worcester and let him get as many reps as you can. If he’s healthy and swinging a nice bat, bring him up in a few months. Otherwise leave him in Worcester for the year.
Basically cross the, Both ‘Casas and Yoshida are Healthy Bridge’, when the situation arrives. Its only a problem if both are healthy and killing it. Otherwise, either one (I think) can be in Worcester. And if the Sox get lucky, and both are swinging good bats, their markets will be much better to trade one of them.
Boston has a better chance of finishing first than Toronto was given last year. After finishing last in 2024, Toronto were favourites to do so again. Boston/NYY/Orioles/Tor could finish in any order. I would pick the Yankees first and Sox second.
Willson Contreras now reminds me of 2003 Bill Mueller, who came to the Sox at 32 and slashed .326/.398/.540 for a .938 OPS
Fair assessment, Casas in AAA to begin the season is the best path but if he lights it up you have to get his bat in the lineup sooner than later.
Yoshida is healthy and I’d say in his prime.
An in-season trade is an option, as is Contreras catching ball games in ’26. I’d say their is a high probability in the latter. He could catch 80 games next season.
Literally nobody credible thinks of him as a catcher anymore. He’s done, he’s a first baseman now. Podcasters won’t even suggest the idea of him behind the plate.
It’s incredible to think that moving Casas is a good idea but he could be washed up at 26.
No – I was in favor of Casas at DH years ago, he’s that bad defensively. I wanted Raffy at 1B and Casas at DH.
Like Joe Castig said, Casas has a highly unusual frame which makes fielding and running awkward for him. His refusal to participate in standard strength and conditioning doesn’t help.
He wouldn’t be the first to become washed up at 26 due to injuries.
John – For those of us who don’t own a 1986 DeLorean and therefore can’t time-travel to 2026, it’s 2025 right now and last year is 2024.
Sorry dude, I don’t participate in the dumbing down of society by saying things that make no sense. If you meant 2025, you could have said either “this year” or “last season”.
Looks like Breslow gave up nobody, nobody, and nobody. None of those pitchers even make a dent while we got a plus, plus bat and improve our infield defense.
Gray was also a big move.
Dobbins has a nice pitch mix, sits 96 with the heater, could potentially add a sinker.
Sweeper / Slider to RHH , Curveball / Splitter to LHH – his K/9 wasn’t fantastic but he had good numbers otherwise, low walks, good GB rates, low HR/9 – Dobbins is a good prospect proven at the MLB level, Boston gave up a good pitcher in Dobbins, the other two are low level prospects and could develop.
I think it was a bad trade for Boston. Dobbins is going to be a steady 3/4.
Dobbins was not in Red Sox top 7. He would have been a 3-4 in Worcester, not Boston.
Dobbins pitched 60+ MLB innings last season and held his own.
Fitts and Dobbins should get some starts this season in St. Louis.
It doesnt seem to be coming together in Boston, feels like they fumbled the ball and have been scrambling to recover and its like one of those plays when the ball keeps moving towards the opposing teams goal line before squirting out of bounds. 1st and 10, Orioles!
In what way does it seem like the Red Sox fumbled the ball. If they were done with their offseason moves, I would be disappointed. I don’t think that is the case at all.
While the moves have not been the big flashy ones we would have liked, as long as they make a few more they could end up with a much improved team. I was hoping for Schwarber or Alonso, but that did not happen. Plan B may end up just as good.
How is that? Is it because they haven’t signed major FA? I know a lot of people wanted Alonso, but signing major free agents to big contracts isn’t usually their thing, and they have pretty middling success with that. JD Martinez & Bregman might be their best “big” free agent signings in the last 15 years. This ownership’s MO has been trade & extend.
The shorter-term trades have been good, they just need to bring Bregman back!
That goes to show how bad the Cardinals are. Dobbins gets some starts there but would have to have 4 go down to injuries in Boston to get a shot. That is why he was traded for someone that will start in Boston.
They traded Quinn Priester last season because he was seventh or eighth on the depth chart. Priester was 13-3 in ’25 and has five years of team control.
This probably means they won’t be bugging the White Sox all spring to trade them Murakami.
I’d say this happened fast after they found out they weren’t getting Murakami.
or the White Sox jumped right in after finding out the Red Sox did nothing more than “kick the tires” on Murakami and knew they didn’t have any real interest in him.
The Red Sox front office seems content to trade for players this off season so far- they are the only team to not sign a free agent.
White Sox probably got their best prospects last year, so for curiosity who does these “Yankees Whipping Boys” (meaning Red Sox) have left to deal? Red Sox cupboard is nearly bare. Seems like the only place to trade from is their 26 man roster. Believe me, nobody wants Casas.
Dobbins pitched some good innings last season, doesn’t have eye-popping numbers but its another one of Boston’s young group that could potentially be good this season when given a full-time role.
Sits 96 with the heater and has a nice mix of breaking balls – not exciting in the K/9 but doest walk a lot of hitters and keeps the ball in the yard.
Didn’t get completely hosed but spent a lot of money to ship out Dobbins and move Casas out of the lineup.
Washington might be interested in Casas. Need a 1b. Dont know how Toboni feels about him, but he certainly is familiar with the player.
We are still loaded on the farm lol. Depth everywhere almost none at 1b, C but that’s about it.
So, the White Sox signing Murakami is a awful deal but Red Sox signing Contreras is awesome? How so? Getting Contreras will have Red Sox fans wanting Devers back from Frisco.. But that bridge has burnt down. Red Sox are floundering right now.. Contreras their “BIG MOVE”? Can’t imagine what would have been said if White Sox signed Contreras!!!!
NO Saints:
“Murakami is a awful deal”
Its not an “awful deal” if so please point out where that was said. Its a very risky deal, because, he cant hit fastballs, strikes out too much and cant field. This isnt my opinion, its every team that couldve beaten the White Sox offer’s opinion. Because, no way he goes to WS if there is a similar offer from a better team.
“Contreras is awesome”
I doubt anyone called it “awesome”, if so please point out. However, it is a very good trade because it fills the biggest needs at their weakest spot: Good Defense, Good Right Handed Bat, Not a Long-Term Contract.
“Red Sox fans wanting Devers back from Frisco”
What? Only the haters.
“if White Sox signed Contreras!!!!”
How would that have worked, he’s not a Free Agent.
The last 2 comments lets me know you are not at all familiar with Boston’s organization.
Whatever. Got nothing to add, so get nasty, typical MLBTR Red Sox “fan”.
Real red sox fans won’t want devers back.
Regardless of internal spats and arguments like siblings. The red sox were knocked down on tbeymir collective butts in the dirt stunned after cases went down.
Devers didnt walk over and hold out his ha d to help them on their feet. Which. Would be acceptable with a tongue l-in-cheek remark or two…
No, devers walked over and kicked them in the metaphorical teeth while they were down.
Boston fans fiercely pritect their own, and stand up for them getting a second chance when they screw up. But what devers did man… its just a while nother level.
SaintsFan- Why are you even commenting on this thread? You sound like a complete troll who knows nothing about the Red Sox. They have far from depleted their farm system. You don’t know what else the Sox are going to do. Why the hate on Contreras, it is so frustrating when the fans don’t even give him a chance to show what he can do. Casas may never amount to anything so now they have someone to cover 1st.
This is the big brain stuff I come here for 😌
seriously? underwhelming.. hopefully they didn’t overpay for him.
Very very good hitter. This makes the Sox pretty complete with a bit of luck.
Also solid defensively. Great pick up.
worthy of one “very”, not two
seam – You’re not concerned about the 57-point OPS drop? Of course you’re not ;O)
Fever- exactly, but what’s done is done. I don’t completely dislike this move seeing as the top tier pitching prospects weren’t dealt (thankfully), though I liked Dobbins. It’s an OK complimentary move.
The move is fine but it still doesn’t provide 6the big bopper the team needs. There are many solid hitters but who’s going to hit 30+ homers that will scare the opposition? Assuming he’s not traded, Casas has the ability but can’t be depended on. Suarez is the only option left and while a good threat, he doesn’t have the wow factor that would totally make the lineup dangerous.
@Fever: “You’re not concerned about the 57-point OPS drop?”
Statcast page for 2025 looks similar to previous years and there wasn’t a lot of protection in that Cardinals lineup. I wouldn’t be too concerned about his hitting.
smk – I don’t hate the move, it’s giving up on Casas that kinda perturbs me.
If Contreras platoons between DH and Catcher, then I’m totally cool with it …. but I know he’s not expected to catch, at least right now. That could change though.
And also to be totally cool with it, they MUST make at least one other move to bring a real slugger. If this is the “Righthanded power” guy they were seeking, it would be a major disappointment.
Even on a career 162-game average, it amounts to only 26 HR ….. not nearly enough, especially if you subtract Casas homeruns.
Dewey – I’m with you, its fine, but doesn’t mive the needle at all.
Here’s my problem with this:
– everyone complains about the last years of a long term contract where the player’s diminishing skills dont match the salary. But, why dont people understand that when you make the signing you get the benefit of the good peak years? With Contreras we are buying the last years of the diminishing player, without the benefit of having gotten the peak years.
– the terms of Contreras contract are palatable now because its been four years since it was signed, and this is how much the market has moved, its not a bargain to get this player for $18m now, its on par with the market. Youre getting half the stats of Alonso, for half the salary
Just moving to Fenway will give his OPS a boost, as it does every hitter.
dewey – I totally agree! Casas has the ability but he won’t get the chance unless he plays nearly every day. I think he’s persona non grata with Beslow, especially after defending Raffy. I expect Casas to be gone regardless of what Breslow may say.
styme – Let’s hope, because his .660 OPS in 36 PA’s is not a good indication as small as it is.
Sad, totally agree in that I wanted Alonso who I expected would return to NY. While he’s not perfect, he gives you the righty power and plays every day so Casas could then be dealt. Unfortunately, Boston fans have an ownership group who tasted winning, got us fans drunk on the success and now won’t go that extra mile leaving us without a camel to cross the desert.
Fever, Casas is only gone if a team will pony up for his ability. That said, another I jury or poor year and he’s no longer valuable given his cheap controllable years are evaporating.
dewey – I hope you’re right, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they dump Casas before Opening Day.
The team doesn’t need a “big bopper” until a playoff run, and that bat can be added at the trade deadline. They were 7th in the league in runs scored without that bat in the lineup last year, and the young guns will provide more pop as they age and mature and see more AB’s.
They need to secure a #2 pitcher to help them win those close games while they are scoring 5-6 runs per game. They do that, they will be positioned very well for a post-season run. If at that point they need to add a bat, way easier to add a power bat then a stud pitcher come trade deadline.
Just my two cents.
PS: let Bregman go elsewhere and save the money for a pitcher or a trade deadline move.
Pop, who is that big righty bat they could target in late July? Perhaps I’m missing someone but I just don’t see who. That’s why if Alonso was to move, he was the guy.
I don’t know how many times you have to be told this, but Contreras is never playing catcher again. Give it up.
FPG – slept on this, here’s what I’m feeling this morning. Basically what posters here are celebrating is:
-trading Dobbins and Devers (in the prime of his career) for 2/3 of a mediocre Bregman season, Sonny Gray and Willson Contreras…..all because in 6 years from now Devers is not gonna be worth the money, but paying for the downside of Contreras is OK. And, I like the Sonny Gray move
This makes no sense to me. Bailing out Chaim(?) Really?
People will accuse me of saying all this in a vacuum, but if you go back to December of 2024. These are the moves of significance since. So, I ask you, are we better off now?
dewey – I forgot to mention this, the Red Sox (I think Breslow, but not positive) pointed out that Casas could benefit from a demotion to Woosta and he DOES still have options. So giving him the Yoshida treatment next year is definitely in play.
Interestingly in the Netflix doc Casas said he insisted on living in a rental apartment because he believed there was the possibility of him being demoted.
Sad – I try not to think about the Raffy situation. It was so messed up, clearly he was nothing more than a stopgap until the kids (Roman, Marcelo, etc) were promoted. They never had any intention of keeping him for the length of the contract. I don’t know about his worth 6 years from now, his contract goes through only Age 36 which ironically was a HUGE reason why so many people here and elsewhere were thrilled he got the extension. The big debate back then was who should be extended longterm, Raffy or Xander, and the vast majority said Raffy because of his young age. If he continues to hit, which I fully expect, it will be an overpay only if he is a fulltime DH. But then again so will Soto, Alonso, Vlad, etc. If you look at Schwarber he’s a fulltime DH who is already making more than Raffy, I lean toward the Raffy contract as being reasonable in 6 years.
To answer your question, the Sox are obviously worse off because of the Raffy trade All they’ve got left are two huge question marks in Harrison and Hicks.
With Contreras, how it impacts the team largely depends on their willingness to spend. It’s a $34.5M CBT hit over the next two seasons … which means guess what?
For the next two years, Contreras + Hicks will cost the Sox MORE than Raffy’s salary!!!!
So the Raffy-haters can’t even say the Sox saved money by dumping his salary, because they didn’t.
No different than when they claimed the Sox saved money by trading Sale ….. which actually cost them MORE than Sale’s contract because they not only sent $17M to Atlanta, but they gave Gio $39M to replace Sale for two years.
So now the Sox are less than $29M away from the SECOND CBT THRESHOLD. If they were telling the truth about not wanting to go past the second threshold, then they probably can’t afford Bregman or Bichette and possibly not Suarez either. Which means hello Marte, if anyone.
Agree 90%, a platoon with Casas at 1b I’m good with. WC is listed as 1b/C/LF/DH I think 2b is Romy G, Marcello The key RN to me in my mind is Bregman, gotta resign that D and RH Stick. That opens up everything. I lray they do not trade TC. I am fine with Campbell, Yoshida, Sogard, Eaton, if we must Trade an OF for that elusive “#2” Duran is likely the guy. His D is elite in RF, Cedanne going nowhere and Anthony handles LF. I think you might see Wong go bye bye…
Fever, thanks for the insight as I choose not to pay for Netflix.
dewey – You’re welcome, i cancelled right after watching the doc.
That is one nice thing about Netflix, you can subscribe and cancel any time you want.
Fever, but with no free trials, they get paid each day you’re subscribed. I had Netflix in the old days of getting discs in the mail and loved it. Today, I refused to pay a dime.
dewey – Yes of course you’re right, and I’m fine with paying $7-$8 once or twice a year if there’s something I really want to see.
Discs? Wow I remember AOL doing that, but not Netflix. Wish I had bought their stock back then, I’d be able to buy out John Henry if I did!
Its almost like Boston needed to take a step back to move a step forward with the young group but decided to forgo the pause in favor of a proven veteran who has posted good numbers.
I think it is going to cost them in the team chemistry department. You have Casas out of a job, Narvaez watching his back, Gonzalez on the bench after a career year looking for ABs.
Contreras a good player but a bad fit.
Goldy would have been a good fit. He raked early in the season and crushes lefties. Casas could have been eased back in at first platooning with Goldy. Narvaez wouldn’t be looking over his shoulder.
Casas would have been comfortable with an older veteran on a one year deal as opposed to Contreras on a multi-year deal. He would have welcomed the HOF’er – he likely is upset with Contreras joining the club.
Unsure that Goldy was available but seemingly a perfect fit for the situation. Trading for Contreras expresses a lack of confidence in both Casas and Narvaez and that has an effect on the entire team.
Fastest Average Bat Speed RH Batters – 2025 Season:
Junior Caminero: 78.5 mph
Jo Adell: 77.6 mph
Aaron Judge: 77.0 mph
Vladimir Guerrero Jr: 76.7 mph
Julio Rodríguez: 76.4 mph
Willson Contreras: 76.0 mph
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55 HRs in 1400 ABs? I would not call that a “very, very good hitter.” He’s 34 and probably past his prime. I don’t like the trade.
The Sox should have given T. Casas one more chance before giving up on him and saved the $36 million to trade for and extend a #2 SP.
There is room in the lineup for both Casas and Contreras. Yoshida would appear to be the weak link here.
Your comment is underwhelming
Career .811 OPS, 118 OPS plus,
He’s a very good hitter.
Had a great career. Unfortunately past his prime and declining. Career doesn’t matter when they’re at the end of it
His stats last year were a .791 OPS, and 123 OPS plus, you know, the same as his careet stats.
Pretty sure you can figure out how to google stuff too bro.
Last year’s OPS was 5 points above his lifetime OPS.
First basemen tend to age better than the more demanding positions and he still is a solid hitter. They were looking for a veteran to fill the position and found one.
This is nothing but a less than lateral move from Bregman’s stats, but with less upside
AMAZING
No chance, he has as quick of a bat as anyone in the league — lotta thunder in it too
He’s been consistently posting .340 on base and .450 slugging each year of his career. Literally hasnt changed at all since he’s been in the league. Definitely could be declining but the numbers definitely dont seem to agree
They don’t even play the same position, ya dope. Maybe you should compare Contreras to Duran now?
Who says they’re not signing Bregman or Bichette too?
Shorter term. I actually prefer this to bregman. I hope we find a decent solution for third or second that isn’t bregman as well. Unless he wants a short deal that is.
Weird. His War has been steadily decreasing the past 5 years. Almost like a player past his prime. Owar, decreasing. Dwar, decreasing.
Every player we get fits that description. Just be glad we actually added someone that should be a decent bat.
He’s not declining yet. Was a good move. Cards pay the last year buy out. Not the ideal catcher but if there is an injury he can catch as well.
Mack- he batted .252 and hit 20 homeruns. Are we to expect a big leap forward on his 34th bday?
Uncle – I dont hate the player, but this isn’t even a Bregman replacement.
BigBopper: His catching days are done.
Try again. He’s still at his peak. 123 OPS+ last year, 118 OPS+ in his career.
His fWAR for the past 5 years: 2.7, 3.5, 2.8, 2.7, 2.8 – that’s about as consistent as it gets
He no longer catchers, so of course he’s less valuable defensively. Not exactly a revelation.
His career clearly isn’t over.
No, but he’s still a very good hitter, and his power numbers are as good as they ever were (and a .252 BA is really not bad at all). Looking under the hood: .358xwOBA, .481 xSLG, 14% barrel rate, 95th percentile bat speed. Nothing really concerning anywhere.
Good thing Mayer isn’t it.Unless you give him a season of AT Bats,how do you know he won’t hit 20-25 homeruns?
I’m aging myself but this reminds me of when the Sox got an aging Cepeda as their first DH or a past his prime but still a good hitter, Tony Perez. I think Contreras has a bit more left on the tank but the similarities seem to be there.
118 OPS+ (how I hate saberstats) is a good hitter but certainly not a top bopper.
Yeah, a lot of these guys who consider batting average so important don’t even realize that the league average AVG has been in the. 240s range for several years. They still think anything under. 270 or so is subpar, when it’s actually anything under. 240.
129 OPS+ and 130 wRC+ the past 2 seasons. He is definitely a very good hitter.
Seems Dobbins being included in this deal essentially automatically makes it an “overpay,” I get the cards are sending some $$ but they’d have to pay his whole contract to make Dobbins the centerpiece…. Wait it would still be an overpay…. Im really confused by these teams giving up high end talent that’s already proven they’re ML capable players for slow, mid 30’s corner INF/OUT type “sluggers”/hitters, i mean Contreras isn’t even really a slugger, he’s an above average ML hitter but doesn’t really provide any other value, he seems well liked by teammates and that’s gotta be worth something but not sure how they figure they’re going to get the value out of Contreras, especially with his salary, (even with the cards covering however much) Dobbins and all of his cheap team control years is far more value…. But they throw in more prospects…. wow well of course I’m no MLB front office guy, but obviously 2+2=4 and I’m not sure how most likely the last few productive seasons of a slow, aging hitter is worth the league minimum years of a pitcher who’s just realizing his potential and coming into his prime…..its insanity really.. but goes on and on and ooooooonn, it’s HEAVEN AND HE….
Dobbins? That has you concerned? Dobbins is crap.
Dobbins is not the guy to be concerned with here.
Contreras is hurt all the time too. He is an injury waiting to happen. Has he ever had a full season of at-bats??
@wtfCheese Dobbins has never been considered a ‘high end talent’; He has the ceiling of a ‘back end starter’ (per SP.com) and was never top-10 in the Red Sox system. Yhoiker was the high end talent in this deal – hopefully the Red Sox don’t regret dealing him.
Did the Red Sox likely give up more surplus value than the Cardinals? Yes. But that’s how almost every trade for an established ML player works.
Contreras had slight surplus value, above his contract by Fangraphs values. Stl sending 8mil was unnecessary. “Gave up” was paid for.
@flags you’re talking about a guesstimate of valuation based on trade decisions while I was referencing value created by the players throughout the longevity of their careers. Two very different things.
I don’t put much stock in the trade value estimators, but they are useful in helping fans figure out what may be a fair theoretical trade. Other trade estimators (BTV) thought that his value was negative (which I didn’t agree with). Also, you should account for the additional 1mil added to his contract.
Fangraphs was valuing Willsons seasons, not his BTV surplus value. By Fangraphs, Willies seasons as a Cardinal have had surplus value over his FA contract. I see no reason to do the age related decline. Going to BOS his surplus may increase the next two seasons. I also disagreed with Contreras BTV value, obviously.
A big saawing and miss. Lol. Definitely a nothing burger for Red Sox even if they got Contraras for free
Gave up very little. As bad as these takes are you should read some of the texts from Cardinal fans. This was a horrendous steel by Haim Bloom. Almost seems like he’s working for Boston still at this point.
IT’S HAPPENING!!!!!
No more Bregman!!!!!!!
Damn. Hopefully they didn’t give up to much. Hopefully Yoshida.
We have zero incentive to take Yoshida. Hopefully pitching.
Short of eating $40 million you weren’t getting much for Contreras—and you didn’t.
No one’s taking Yoshida.
Jean – He has value. The question is how much a team would want to cover some of his salary.
Fever, Yes he does, but I think it’s one of those situations where the amount the other team would want the Sox to eat is probably more than they’re willing to. Of course, I thought SD would never be able to move Eric Hosmer either.
Jean – Yeah I’m really glad this was the final year the Red Sox had to pay a portion of Hosmer’s salary. What a horrible trade.
lol it’s pitching no one taking junk especially when WC is above quality. Face it you’re stuck with Yoshida
Fans are hilarious. Why won’t the other team take our junk for their star?
roob – The bigger irony is what they deem “junk” now was a “brilliant acquisition” when Breslow/Bloom acquired them.
It’s a good move for those who expected nothing out of Casas next year, but it will be a bad move if Casas gets traded and returns to 2023/early2024 form.
And what about KC? Can he improve enough to play 2B? OF is a bit jammed at the moment.
FPG – I dont hate this player. I hate the fit….
They moved Campbell to LF. They have Mayer for either 2B or 3B , but no one for the other spot. And trade for an againg platoon partner for Casas.
This guy won’t replicate Bregman’s stats. So what did we accomplish?
RedSox fans are so funny. do they not know you can look up stats.
129 OPS+
121 OPS+
Which is Bregman and which is Contreras over the past 2 seasons.
127 OPS+
121 OPS+
Which is Bregman and which is Contreras over the past 3 seasons.
I also didn’t notice that Bregman had signed and could not be brought back to Boston. When did that happen?
Zilch, ZERO Nada
At this stage of their careers, Bregman was a one win upgrade over Contreras.
Is that really worth the extra years and money it would take to land him, as opposed to the modest cost of Contreras?
Sad – They will say “righthanded power at a position that was especially weak last season” ….. which is true, they were 9th-worst in MLB for both SLG and OPS.
If that’s all they do, it’s not enough. But there’s still almost 2 months left in the offseason, so gotta be patient here ;O)
I think they’ve still got some trades coming to ease the logjam of starting pitchers.
Well it’s more like a win and a half – Bregman’s missed time last year narrowed the gap some while WC got more PAs than usual by not catching – and there is the 2 years age difference in Breggy’s favor. Plus playing a more significant position on IF defense well, which hasn’t been the BoSox strength. And perhaps a more needed one than 1B.
1.5 wins is worth $15 – 18 mil so it likely comes down to what Bregman finally gets and for how long.
a man can hope you debbie downers
The Red Sox are acquiring Willson Contreras from the Cardinals for three players, including righthander Hunter Dobbins, a source told MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand. The clubs have not confirmed the deal, which required Contreras to waive a no-trade clause.
Righthander Yhoiker Fajardo (who was the No. 23-ranked prospect in the Cardinals’ system) and righthander Blake Aita are also headed to St. Louis and Boston will receive $8 million in the trade.
Why is Yoshi so hated? Bad year last season but first 2 were ok. Is he just overpaid?
Mario – He runs like a Lego.
J/K ….. he’s had physical issues since his rookie season and he’s considered a bad fielder who is supposedly blocking better players from playing. Of course the large contract doesn’t help.
I’ve been one of his biggest supporters, the guy can hit … he just needs to stay 100% healthy.
Thanks
Yoshida will be in BOS for life. At least it seems that way.
Daaaang
Will he move back to C?
Not a chance. He’s a solid first baseman now.
No way he moves back to catcher regularly BUT the Red Sox had a gaping hole at 3rd string catcher last season and they still haven’t figured out how to fill it.
Contreras for an occasional game at catcher when/if there’s an injury world help.
Good question. He’d definitely be a more valuable asset as the back-up catcher.
lol he’s more valuable as your starting 1B not getting injured and hitting. I’d be thinking last year would teach Red Sox fans they needed a 1B
Catcher has far more value than 1B. Any games he wasn’t filling in at catcher he could DH or play 1B to give days off. If he agreed to be the back-up catcher, the positional flexibility he’d give the Sox would be of much greater value for the them than as the regular 1b. 1B is a much easier position to fill, lol indeed. Also, not a Sox fan.
He gets INJURED as a C bro read the room and his history! He’s better healthy and hitting. He’s past the Catching days now
Read again, back-up catcher. And It’s silly to not play a guy at the more valuable position because you’re worried he might het injured. Maybe the Royals shouldn’t have played Perez at C, or the Giants shouldn’t have played Posey there. Play the game to win, not to try and not get injured.
I also said if he agreed to play back-up. If he prefers 1B that’s the Sox’s loss. But at least they should explore whether he would.
asd – He was moved to first base to lighten his load, do you really think if Narvaez or Wong goes on the IL for a couple weeks they’ll use some schmuck behind the plate instead of Contreras?
Remember, it’s the Red Sox …. changing their mind and panic moves is their specialty.
FPG- not sure, he didnt catch any games last year
Jean Matrac: He’s not a catcher anymore. The Cardinals decided he was unplayable behind the plate.
Than they are doomed as he’s too good defensively where he puts his whole body at risk. His framing improved but so did freak major injuries too. That’s what did him was losing playing time. He’s better off for his health and age and bat at 1B/DH he’s going to bring a fire to the clubhouse and is a great glue guy.
There is a reason he is no longer catching. He wasn’t very good at it, and didn’t get along with the pitchers.
He’s not going to catch.
Alfred E Neuman, “The Cardinals decided he was unplayable behind the plate.”
That’s one to put it if objectivity is not an issue. Perhaps the reason instead was the the Cards had 2 young catchers they were trying to develop, and to protect Contreras from injury, maximizing his bat.
Though he was subpar as a framer, the fact that in 2023 he was just -1 in blocks above average (Murphy at 16 was best, Sabol at -19 was worst), had a good pop time (tied for 20th out of 81 qualifiers), and was tied for 8th overall in throwing, with 4 catcher’s CS above average, suggests he was more than adequate behind the plate.
@asdfgh There’s also the fact that Contreras has been worth the same fWAR over the last three years as Pete Alonso, but instead of 5/155m he’s costing Boston 2/34m and three FV 30-35 arms.
Granted, age has something to do with it, But Alonso may not be worth a lineup spot in 2028.
What’s silly are teams like the Angels waiting four years too long to move Mike Trout off of CF.
The Cards got 185 more PA from Contreras in 2025 because they had the brains to move him completely off of catcher.
He’s already in decline, even as the rare position player over age 32 who’s still worth 2 fWAR in a season (just 6 such players among all 12 postseason teams in 2025). Putting him at catcher in 2025 would have been a great way to destroy his remaining value.
Well he had pretty much full games played loads as a starting C every year from ‘17 – ‘23. Missed time in ‘24 and Cards did seem to sour on him there in ‘25. But he could back up there if Narvaez plays regularly. And if Wong has another ‘25 he gives them a better option there, then fill out at 1B & DH too matched with lefties in Casas & Yoshi or 1 of the OFs at DH depending on who remains by March. Options
And play 50 games as backup catcher?
Why would you assume a back-up catcher would just sit in the digout when he wasn’t catching? And as I said, “Any games he wasn’t filling in at catcher he could DH or play 1B to give days off.” When a team has a guy with his ability with the bat it’s a no brainer to maximize that.
He didnt catch a single game in 2025, but you think he’s the backup catcher?
Nothing – You think a guy loses it after just one year? He’s only 33.
Nothing, Don’t put words in my mouth. If you want to respond to my post, at least get what I said straight. I never said he’s the back-up catcher. I don’t work for the Sox, nor do I have the power to suggest that to them.
My opinion was that IF the Sox employed him as the back-up catcher, with positional flexibility at 1B and DH, they could maximize his value. I have no idea if Contreras would even be open to the idea or not.
You seem to think old players can just be ordered to be healthy, et voila! they’ll be healthy!
That’s not how it works, comrade. That’s never how it works.
Nowhere did I ever even suggest that any player can be ordered to be healthy. Why do the slower of the village denizens here keep telling me what I said, when I never said anything close to what they said I did?
I’m out of here. Barbarians, or perhaps Philistines, at the gate. It’s just impossible trying to respond when so many people here lack even a modicum of reading comprehension.
Jean – I can’t see many posts because of handles I’ve muted, you may want to do the same. Looks like I’ve already muted the person with whom you take offense, not a surprise.
No chance
I can see him taking some reps at catcher throughout the year. His framing isn’t as bad as some Cardinals brass would have you believe. The way he fought back from criticism and adversity about his catching ability early in his Cardinals tenure shows the type of character he is. A great pick up for the Red Sox.
No, defensively speaking this is very much like when Boston acquired aging but still effective bat-first catcher Mike Napoli for the 2013 season and made sure Napoli never caught another major league game..
There may be a decent Napoli parallel here regarding intangibles as well.
agent – Not a good comparison, Nap sucked at catching the year before he joined the Sox.
He was 3rd-worst in MLB with a -13.1 Def rating and 4th-worst with a -12 DRS.
Contreras was decent last year, not bad at all. Middle of the pack.
Contreras was decent last year at 1B, and I think he’ll be good enough there for the Red Sox at all.
I was comparing what putting Contreras behind the plate would have been like compared to the Napoli situation. And yes, Napoli was far worse defensively at C than Contreras has been at any point in his career.
Nonetheless, I think that Contreras, the Cardinals, and the Red Sox have all turned the corner and don’t think of him as even a part-time catcher anymore.
agent – Things can change, time will tell. They obviously wanted a catcher to pursue re-acquiring Teel as much as they have, I think Wong is on thin ice.
Remember they didn’t think of Raffy as anything other than a DH, and within a few weeks they wanted him to play first base.
Big day on MLBTR
This is a great acquisition for the Sox. He’s a winner and a solid player at first. I was hoping for Mets.
Same. Not sure what the Mets have in mind.
Maybe Casas?
@Jdawginsc Would have made sense. It seems it’s actually possible the Mets really are going to give Polanco significant time at 1B, even though he’s missed an average of 50 games a year over the last four years,
He DH’ed 90 games in 2025 and was healthier than he’s been since 2021. But sure, Strearns, let’s see how many games it is before he takes some spikes to the back of his ankle at first.
I think they really hated having 3 third baseman and 3 left fielders play around Lindor…
Which pitchers did we get?
Dobbins
Hunter Dobbins and minor leaguers
Fajardo will be a solid add too.
Nobody.
Well, three nobodies.
It was the perfect “look busy” trade from the Cardinals’ side.
Later Alex
David Stearns where u at bro?
He’ll be back after Hanukkah.
Dang. This is a move I was hoping the Giants would make.
Hey can still give us youthful pitching for Brendan Donavan you guys are in the running still apparently
Giants have Devers and Eldridge at 1B. Why would they trade for Contreras?
For what? The giants don’t need a first basemen.
Breslow is really wanting to finish in fourth place! This is a horrible trade!
You don’t even know who they gave up yet ya mook.
Great trade, actually.
horace – What about Dobbins do you not like? Most everyone here was drooling over him until he got hurt.
Good but the Sox are knocking on the door. Go for it.
That there is the problem. This guy has a serious injury track record. He has literally been hurt every single year including last year. The best ability is availability in this guy doesn’t have it at all now no one can predict the future, but based on his past, the Cardinals will be lucky if he pitches at all Cardinals and Red Sox are my two favorite teams so if anyone was going to get Contreras for a little or no return, I am glad it was Boston, but let’s not act like the Cardinals got anywhere near fair value for him
Yeah right!!!
American League East teams are loading up. More to come…
Just read an article on Yahoo Sports, talking about Burleson target at 1st Base, prophesy has been foretold.
Burleson and Herrera I’m sure
The stove is heating up
Yess! Now Marte and Peralta
Big NO on Marte
Don’t want one of the best players in the game?
Marte to the M’s
Maybe it’s nothing. But it’s a bit concerning Bloom can only deal with Boston thus far. He’s going to need to make new friends. Perhaps a little tunnel visioned on his previous crushes.
Neither of the players Bloom acquired in the Gray trade were with Boston when Bloom was there. No crush.
It remains to be seen who he got here, but in the Gray trade none of them were in the organization while Bloom was there. It all comes down to who offers the most and where a player who has a full NTC is willing to go.
Yeah, I suspect that Boston is the only team who needed and could afford Contreras willing to trade a pitcher as solid as Dobbins plus two more pitching prospects.
Stearns probably wanted to keep the best Mets pitching prospects out of a Castillo deal and may not have had the quantity of Fajardo and Aita level pitching prospects to trade.
I actually thought the same, but reverse. Seems like no one is returning Breslows calls except former Boston people.
Sounds like Hunter Dobbins is going back, plus more pitching, per Passan.
Saw the same, hopefully the minor league pitchers are not any of the higher level prospects.
Per Ian Cundall on X:
Don’t think it’s a coincidence that the three pitchers the Red Sox dealt for Wilson Contreras all have fastballs that struggle to miss bats consistently. The highest whiff rate of the trio was 16%. MLB average was 21-22%.
Hunter Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%
Blake Aita 16%
x.com/IanCundall/status/2002920990192656525?ref_sr…
All-Thanks for the info. I was glad it was not any of our highly regarded prospects.
Yeah I’m perfectly okay with this deal. I liked Dobbins for a rotation spot if we were sticking with the same internal options as last year, but we’ve done enough on the pitching front that he was never going to be more than a depth guy.
Dobbins was on the Woostah express and if he could stay healthy would have been the #3 or #4 there. Not even a small loss to the depth.
@Yankee
What players of interest of is, aren’t on the table, that they didn’t pursue? You’re acting like the Yanks can do more than just make an offer and wait for the player to decide. It takes two buddy.
Never forget when Mia Khalifa outed him for sliding in her dms. He could do no wrong to Cubs fans before this, and it was so easy to see he was a pretty bad catcher afterwards. That was the canon moment of embarrassment. Cards eventually got it right moving him to 1b/dh, but I wonder who Boston gave up and how he fits in there?
Messing with Mia Khalifa is a bad thing?
Perfect fit for Boston short term. Why should I care about him messaging hoes though?
you are being so dramatic lmao
His agents at Octagon claimed Contreras’s account had been hacked. Or maybe he was confused and really trying to reach Sam Khalifa for hamstring injury rehab tips.
Why? I mean, its an offensive addition I suppose. But for as much as Contreras gets paid, and the negligible difference in production, why not just give Casas another shot to see if he can actually stay healthy? This doesn’t move the needle a whole lot…move for the sake of making a move doesn’t usually work out well. Guess it all depends on what they gave up
I think they have given up on Casas. He will likely be gone in another trade.
Very solid defensively at first as well.
It’s something. I certainly hope there is more, because this is only the upgrade at first base that the team has needed and been ignoring for several years. Still need to replace/upgrade over Bregman, or bring back Bregman though that is looking increasingly unlikely.
Casas has three options left. They can store him in the minors until Contreras’ contract is up.
Correct. The team has high enough aspirations that they can’t afford to have Casas trying to “figure it out” in their everyday lineup. He can work on refining his game in Worcester, and if it’s going well then we can talk. If it looks like he’s rediscovered his form from 2023, he can step in and replace Yoshida at DH with no issue.
219 vs 92 in 2024-2025.
124 vs 104 in 2024-2025
5.4 vs -0.3
.813 vs .730
35 vs 16
Those all look like substantial, not negligible differences to me.
I just like trades… I can imagine the back and forth till an agreement is made
Early?
Nope
Absolute superstar when it comes to intangibles. Sad to see him leave the Cardinals. Red Sox are wise to acquire him and what he brings to a team outside of stats. Red Sox ate legitimate World Series contenders now.
You see intangibles, I see a guy who far too easily lets him emotions get the best of him.
Mack – agreed, intangibles are awesome as a finishing piece to a championship team, not a third place team.
No, actually intangibles are important to every team. Are you a bot?
Ghost – Bregman was an awesome leader too, bought the rookies suits in spring training…..now who’s hitting the homeruns?
He had Yadi’s endorsement before he signed with the Cards and that’s good enough for me.
He did ruffle feathers not long after signing that last contract. So it should not be a surprise they wanted a young team to move on without him.
Did you see what the Blue Jays and Orioles have done? The Sox are now 4th best team in division
You just said third place, if you’re gonna troll, ya gotta remember what you write for more than a minute.
Ghost- finished in 3rd place last year. Heading to 4th this year.
Not a troll at all. Just seen this movie before. Six years of one step forward, one step back is starting to annoy real fans.
You meant pretenders right?
Once again Beeslow doesnt address the pressing problems of 2B or 3B but instead gets a ‘on the back side of his career’ 33yo mediocre hitter. Please no one remind me of his amazing 2.5 WAR. I dont care. This is a co.plete lateral move (stat wise).from what Bregman did last year. No power upgrade.
So we couldn’t sign Suarez instead?
Blue Jays and Orioles must be quaking in their boots.
I think this is just the first of multiple moves.
Did you miss the part where the red sox spent 90% of last season trying to find someone to play first ? ..this is a positive move enjoy the win and complain once spring training starts if they still have a problem at 2b or 3b.
Half the time on here, I think people don’t even actually follow MLB.
Poolhall – what about Casas? Are they walking away from him, or is this a L/R platoon?
Sad.sox..When was the last time Casas was healthy for even half a season? A serious contender is not waiting and hoping he might be healthy let alone healthy and productive..let’s not forget even when on the field last year he wasn’t very good..
At all..
Trade piece.
So, this is the move? Not a 3B upgrade, not a power hitter?
This is A move..why do you assume this is the last?..its not the first.
They’ll also sign either Bichette or Bregman.
I am not down on this move. Looks like they did not give up too much and now they can move on from 1st and focus on the other needs. Maybe Casas will be a piece toward one of the other needs.
They also need a DH.
Do you follow the Red Sox?
They only need a DH if they keep all their outfielders.
Definitely not mediocre. He gets on base and hits home runs. I am sure he will be licking his chops when he sees the monster. I also believe he is a solid fielder at first. Not a big splash but a solid acquisition.
Colorado – they have managed to replace Bregmans stats from last year. But, less upside than a healthy Bregman. And, that wasn’t enough….
You already wrote that once.
Ghost – youre a real idiot. Some of want to talk about baseball. All you do is denigrate other people. Add something constructive….
Sad you aren’t being constructive either you’re just complaining about what is a solid move.
Might even be a little better than last year. Switching leagues sometimes has that effect
Fenway is a much easier park to hit in than Bush. He will do ok.
They didn’t trade for a first baseman so Casas can sit the bench. He’ll be out of town very soon.
I don’t know what to believe. This is the type of move that from most teams to me would indicate they aren’t done. Whatever they ultimately do about retaining or replacing Bregman, we did also need a competent RH bat and someone who isn’t a disaster at first base. Contreras definitely checks both those boxes.
Now this is where I’m not sure what’s next. If they were serious about keeping pace with the top of the AL and acting like the Red Sox again, more moves would/will be coming.
And yet, the way they’ve been acting the last 7 years, I am terrified this is their “big move” they’re going to be bragging about the rest of the offseason.
Dirty – I’m with you. I seems like the prelude to a bigger move, but we can’t hope thats gonna happen, because their track record doesn’t back up that more moves are coming.
More than that, I’m getting Bregman vibes form his signing last year. Getting a player for a position it seems like we have players for already, while not addressing gaping holes
I’m in the ready to give up on Casas camp so imo first base was a glaring hole they needed to address. If Casas is able to re-establish his bat he can always rejoin the lineup at DH unless Yoshida is on a genuine heater.
Dirty – not married to Casas returning to form either.
Real question: Is this better than Suarez at third base for a few bucks more and Mayer at 2B? I guess its a “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” between Suarez and Contreras
I do think I like this better because Contreras is a little better defensively, and less prone to whiffs than Suarez. We already have too many guys who go up there flailing around unable to make contact with anything. so even though he has 40 HR potential he would compound that ugly issue pretty bad. If we can get 25 HR with less K’s and more hits & walks from Contreras I’d take that over 40 homers from Suarez with 200+ strikeouts.
At some point you have to let the kids play… and Marcelo is playing either 2nd or 3rd…. so calm down.
I agree and I am as excited about Mayer as anyone. I want him penciled in for one of those spots. But he can’t play them both at the same time. Even with him factoring in extensively we still need someone else. And not Campbell. I still believe in him long term but given that they rushed him the first time he came up, I want him to earn his second and hopefully final promotion, whenever that may be, as opposed to just assuming he’s going to hold down a spot from day one again. So he can be considered the heir apparent to Story rather than Bregman, which solidifies we need to get one more infield bat this winter.
Campbell and Rafaela at 2B
Mayer at 3B
The top 3 free agent 3B are still on the market
Its December, not April
Take a deep breath and put your big girl panties on.
Great for Sox. AL east on fire. Surprised more NYY fans aren’t running Cashman out of town. Few GM has ever had more resources
I dont speak for all Yankees fans, of course, but I’m not running Cashman out of town because there hasn’t been a signing or trade that I thought the Yankees HAD to make instead.
The Yankees are in a unique position where they have coverage everywhere should they NOT make a big move and dare I say we’d still be highly competitive. Grisham coming back could be very good should he continue his 2025 form, Ben Rice with more experience, a 30/30 guy at 2b, AARON JUDGE, a GG caliber 3b, speed at SS to start, a solid rotation even with Yarborough as the 5th starter to begin with, we already replaced Williams and Weaver at the deadline, and I legit want to see Jasson get more reps and possibly starting getting a look at Jones, etc.
Cashman not rushing things isn’t the worst. I’m willing to see this plan out. Maybe Hal is serious about not going over and tbh would it really be a bad thing to take break from the taxes?
Basically, I’m trying see passed what everyone else is doing to really understand what Cashman is doing here. It’s too easy to go look at the Sox or the O’s or Toronto to bash the Yanks, but for the first time in a bit I’m kinda trying to read the roster more and I’m not panicking at all.
On your side here Sal but Yanks are already in tax tier 3 for ‘26. There’s no break in tax coming soon.
I think they’re in a staring contest with Boras over Belli right now – Boras keeps saying that it’ll take 7 years and $200 mil. Sounds reminiscent of pre ‘23 when he wound up with what 3 years and $80ish? And then Cubs traded him to NY and they paid it down a bit.
Correct, I meant breaking through to the next tier (the Cohen tier!), which would further cost them. I should have wrote that better, but either way I get Hal’s logic. We often brush this off, i already did this offseason, but yeah it’s lost money.
I would like Bellinger back, but if he doesn’t I won’t cry either. Sometimes I enjoy seeing what the response is to losing out. Like last year with Soto? I thought we came away better not sinking that money into him.
Next trade is going to be Arenado to the Red Sox for whoever is left in their farm system looks like. Just gotta wait it out until he’s the best worst option left on the market?
Pretty easy work when it’s one stop shopping on trades.
Nothing would have to go back if the Sox want Arenado.
Ironically, Arenado probably will be the only one of the Cardinals’ three available veterans the Red Sox will not acquire just one offseason after it appeared that a trade to Boston was exactly what Arenado wanted.
Wow. A 36 Year old Gray and 35 year old Contreras. I know they refuse to do long term deals but banking on players to retire is quote the plan.
Contreras is 33.
Turning 34 for the season
Regardless, 34 isn’t 35.
So you were aware you were wrong and wrote it anyway?
Ghost,
Apparently, players are to be described by the age they will be in the last year of their contract. Ohtani and Judge are both 39.
Miss typed the 4 and 5. Ans edit isn’t an option once it’s posted. Yikes. That’s the big flaw you find. Get a life dude
Turning 35. 2 birthdays
Contreras is 33.
*33 year old Contreras
To be fair he’ll be 34 for 3/4 of ‘26.
Nice acquisition, and it sounds like it was headlined by Dobbins? Nice “pitchability” guy, but not an especially high ceiling.
Wait for the prospects. Boom wants prospects.
I’m expecting RHP Kyson Witherspoon to be included in this deal. Number 3 prospect for Sox. Solid 6’2 righty with upside.
I wish! But Dobbins has already been reported by Passan as the “headliner.” I figure that means even Sandlin isn’t included.
Bummer. Wishful thinking. Sandlin or Witherspoon would’ve been awesome
Fajardo is a hot young talent, though emphasis on “young”. I won’t be surprised id he surpasses Sandlin in a couple years. And you’ll like Dobbins, he’s a gamer.
Witherspoon should be off limits in this deal, but there are other quality arms in the system.
If Dobbins is going back, fine. But, if Witherspoon is going to St Louis, I’m gonna be furious.
He’s not.
RHP’s Yhoiker Fajardo, and Blake Aita are the other pitchers involved.
He wasn;t;
Curious who the other prospects will be. Holobetz maybe? I kind of figured the Cardinals would target David Sandlin if they were going to ship Willson to Boston. I like Hayden Mullins too and wouldn’t be upset if he was included, but everyone just passed on him in the Rule V. Not sure how I feel about Dobbins.
Hey didn’t Hunter Dobbins’ dad play for St Louis?
Can we link to something else besides Twitter/X these days? Everyone needs to stop propping up Elon.
junk – He’s got at least 14 kids so far, he doesn’t need propping up from us.
It’s a nice complimentary pick up. You get a veteran, right handed bat. They still haven’t picked up the #2 or big bat they said they were going to get. They are going to push Gray as a #2 and Contreras as a ‘big bat’ but he isn’t going to hit 30+ HRs.
Unless now this opens them up to trading some of the young depth to go get the big pieces they are still chasing Toronto and maybe Baltimore with their improvements in the AL East. Right now the Yankees and Red Sox look like they will be chasing in the #3 spot on paper.
Goose – you hit it right on the head, classic over promise, under performance.
Sox management will say, dont believe youre own eyes, just listen to us, this is a #2 nad a power bat
No, they wont say that.
wow … red sox fans are happy about this? The guy hit .250 with 20 hr’s and 147 k”s …. and makes a ton of money …. not very good for 1B in today’s MLB … They would have been better off keeping their prospects and money and signed O’Hearn to play 1B or kept Casas in there, and looked at making a mover later if he were to falter … …. would have gotten same or more production with O’hearn … typical red sox underwhelming reactionary move … At least they will finish ahead of the Rays in the East, but that’s about it …
They need to Balance the line up and another Lefty bat like O’Hearn wouldn’t help much there…..
Tigersfan- agreed. Why are the Sox constantly going sideways?!?!?!
Sad – Because they said they are on the verge of losing money.
(cue the laughter)
FPG – lol, oh yeah, thats right, I forgot they were losing money
He’s a 120 wRC+ hitter who will pepper the Green Monster. One of the quickest set of hands in the game. Great add. Now they’ll trade Casas for another bullpen arm, and sign Bichette or Bregman to compete the roster. Spectacular.
I like Contreras, was hoping the padres would get him.
Perhaps they trade for Casas now.
I liked Dobbins but you have to give to get.
Good ball player coming over.
I had high hopes for Dobbins. Sad to see him go
hayzee – I remind my wife of that all the time, but when she asked me for Dobbins I had the sense to say no.
Merry Christmas Triston Casas! You’re about to be placed in a package!
Rockies would be a nice landing spot for him. Not sure what the Sox need, but maybe a swap for Adael Amador or Ryan Ritter could help them fill in second base. Both need work, but have potential.
On second thought, he might not be any better than Michael Toglia, who was just cut loose. If the cost is cheap enough, like Amador or one of the middle relievers like Zach Agnos or Luis Peralta, then maybe. But I have a feeling the cost might be more than that. And I just don’t see him as worth it.
I think his bat will be great at Fenway and I think the sox will get a third baseman or a second baseman….They need the bat and im sure if they keep Casas he will get plenty of AB also…..might take some pressure off Casas and help him out…
Dobbins and Yhokier Farjado
I like this trade but I think they should still sign either of Bregman or Bichette, and release Yoshida. It’s not that he’s bad, but there’s no room for him and his contract doesn’t have surplus value. I doubt anybody will trade for him
Gotta give up good ayers to get good players. I thought Dobbins acquitted himself well in Boston this year. Best of luck to him.
Should have signed Okamato for that price-but we are swimming in pitching
Why is everything have to be about the Yankees?
-Curious Yankees fan wants to know.
@Sal
Shouldn’t be.
Good get for the Red Sox. I was hoping my Padres would strike a deal for him.
So basically a salary dump. Neither of the 3 arms is a prospect, all ranked outside the red sox top15 prospects
Fajardo has helium.
Fajardo is No. 9 at Baseball America.
Spoiled St Louis fan showing up again. You are getting THREE pitchers in exchange for an overpaid hitter approaching the end of his prime. I think it is a fair trade for both sides.
Dobbins isn’t a prospect anymore – exceeded rookie IP limit in ‘25
Just depends on your definition of prospect really. He did not get to a full year of service time, so he still has 6 seasons of control remaining at a minimum.
While Dobbins isn’t technically a “prospect”, he is a very good pitcher. He logged some really good innings/starts before he hurt his knee covering 1b. I looked forward to seeing him again this season.
As far as the 2 prospects, no idea….lottery tickets is all. Good luck in 26 Redbirds.
Thanks for posting his 2025 stats. Good move for Boston, Contreras is a gamer
Good for Contreras and the Red Sox. STL and Marmol screwed the pooch when they publicly denounced his ability to play catcher. Contreras took the high road on that topic, always impressed with that. What a mess STL has become and been.
It looked from the outside that the issues for some of the Cards pitchers was that WC was no YM, particularly on the game planning/pitch calling side of the game. YM knew every player on the fields weakness in the batters box and it was evident from the days when he took the mask from Matheny. Flaherty was the most vocal if I recall correctly. I respect WC for the way he handled the absolute public belittling Marmol presented then backtracked from a week later. It was confusing to watch as a fan. For someone who’s emotions run hot like WC’s it had to be difficult to handle that.
Good pickup for Boston. Perhaps this was their target even before Alonso signed with Baltimore.
Isn’t it time now for Mets fans to start screaming that they didn’t get Contreras?
Contreras’ bWAR has seen a straight-line downtrend since 2021: 4.2-3.8-3.3-3.0-2.5. Injuries and age have piled up. I don’t expect the trend to reverse in his age-34 season. In fact, I think he might have trouble getting 2.0 bWAR in 2026.
At least it’s not a ton of money and the Sox don’t have great alternatives at 1B. But this trade doesn’t move the needle that much.
That’s entirely because of his position switch.
Uh, what? He didn’t switch positions until 2025. Most of the downtrend is just normal aging and the injuries that come with it. The Sox are hoping that the Wall will rejuvenate him. Maybe and maybe not. I’m not sold on trend reversals at age 34. But it’s not an onerous long-term financial commitment.
You might also considering the declining lineup he was in…this red sox team will have much better hitters overall.
It’s not entirely due to the position switch, but it is a factor, along with losing time to injury. He played in 125 games in 2023, with 97 at catcher, for a 3.3 bWAR.. He only player 84 games, 50 at catcher, in 2024, yet still had a 3.0 bWAR. That lost time, and fewer games at catcher, accounts for the 0.3 drop in bWAR from 2023. But though he played 137 games in 2025, most in the last 3 years, his 120 games at 1B, instead at catcher, is why he had only a 2.5 bWAR. Clearly position was a factor.
He only switched to 1B last season…
He wouldn’t be the first right handed bat to turn it around in Fenway! STEVE PIERCE!!!! He will have a much better lineup around him, the green Monster to aim at and the sox need a mix of veterans to go with their youth. They have one of the youngest teams in baseball. Good pick up from sox and I did like Dobbins, but we have plenty of pitchers similar to him and they cant all play….
Casey, 2 words. Positional adjustment.
2 years of Contreras at $36 million…roughly the same as what the White Sox just spent on Murakami. And the Red Sox only had to give up Dobbins and some pitching depth? I think that’s a win at least on paper right now. Contreras should still have quite a bit left in the tank for the next 2 years. And this still keeps the Red Sox financially available for Bregman or Bichette. An extremely solid move.
I would have loved to see Okamato at 1B, now we need a 2B or 3B
Okamoto could slot in nicely at 3B, and maybe Bichette/Story at SS/2B?
2B – Campbell – Remember him? The Red Sox paid him $60 million for 8 years. He is going to play.
2B – Rafaela – He played very well in 24 games there last season
3B – Mayer – At least until Story gets hurt
Campbell isn’t starting the season as a starter, and probably won’t start the season in the majors. He’ll probably be back up at some point this year, playing some second or first. I think you’ll see he him more full time in 2027. The Red Sox rushed him and they don’t want to do that anymore.
No. The Red Sox are not putting one of the best defensive CF full time in the infield.
Mayer will either be staring at an infield position that the Red Sox don’t address, or will be a multi-position utility position off the bench. He could even start in the minors, if the Red Sox address the infield enough and bump him out of full time at bats.
I didn’t say Campbell would START, I said he would play. Cora said that they expect him to be “in the lineup”.
Anthony in LF, Duran in CF, Abreu in RF
All 3 will be full time OF. Breslow even made it a point to say that they won’t be platooning Abreu anymore.
Rafaela will play somewhere. Where do you think it will be if it won’t be in the OF?
Cora said that Mayer will be in the mix at 3B and SS. He is a much better source than you are. Sorry if that offends you, but its true.
It’s is hard to justify moving a Gold Glove CF to 2B.
I’m not offended at all, the manager is absolutely a better source than me 🙂 why attack? Come on, let’s be civil.
I think I assumed you meant Campbell as starting 2B based on how you phrased it. From what I just read about him playing in winter ball right now (playing for the Red Sox bench coach), they’re having him play more OF. It seems like that or 1B may be his future, not 2B. For the time, he may be able to work his way onto the roster in a Refsnyder-like role.
You basically said what I said about Mayer. He’ll be in the mix in those positions. I like Mayer and hope he gets a chance to start. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Bregman, Mayer, Story, Contreras infield. If those guys stay healthy, that’s a solid infield.
And I stand by what I said about Rafaela. Opening day, he’s the CF. The Red Sox have a glut of outfielders and it makes no sense for them to keep them all with Anthony ready to be a full time starter. I would rather see them take Abreu (who I love as a player) and use him to re-stock our minors/depth, or address the bullpen.
Duffy S. Cliff
Campbell isn’t starting the season as a starter, and probably won’t start the season in the majors
No. The Red Sox are not putting one of the best defensive CF full time in the infield.
Mayer will either be staring at an infield position that the Red Sox don’t address
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Spot-on on all 3, imo. Campbell is not close to the majors right now. Rafaela is perhaps the best CF I’ve ever seen.
I’d like to see Mayer start at 3rd and stay there forever, but a 3B like Suarez might be easier to obtain than a 2B.
I always felt there weren’t great options out there for 2B. Suarez would be a great option at 3B. And that would let Story/Meyer play SS/2B.
Its harder to justify moving an OF that has a 6.7 WAR average the last two seasons. No one can argue against the fact that Duran is a better overall player.
Rafaela started as a SS/2B which is why he filled in last season at 2B. With Anthony, Duran, and Abreu playing every day in the OF it will be harder to find time for Rafaela in the OF. I am sure he will play there some.
You will get no argument from me if you say that Rafaela is the better fielding CF between him and Duran because he definitely is, but that does not always determine who plays the position.
With Cora and Breslow stating that Abreu will no longer platoon in RF and Anthony will start in LF, that leaves the choice of Duran or Rafaela in CF and Duran wins.
Cora said that Campbell will be in the lineup. We can argue and debate about it here, but Cora is the guy that makes the decisions. That doesn’t mean Campbell will start the season at the keystone on opening day, but its more than just a suggestion by a keyboard jockey in an online baseball discussion board,
Rafaela was an infielder first. If he is playing CF that means a better overall player is sitting. Do you really think Duran will sit for Rafaela?
I believe Duran ultimately gets traded. We can argue about whether or not that’s the right move. And this only my opinion. But I think Duran’s 2024 season may be an outlier. He’s certainly capable of being a 4-5 WAR player annually, but I just don’t see him putting up another 2024 season on an annual basis. I think the Red Sox will look at their outfield depth, use Duran as a center piece to get something big back, and have an outfield of Anthony in LF, Rafaela in CF, and Abreu in RF. This will leave Mayer at 2B.
But I think this all hinges on Boston getting a 3B. If they don’t, Mayer will slide over, and you’re right, Rafaela will man 2B.
Duran’s offense in 2025 took a step back, but so did his defense, and starting him in CF on a regular basis worries me.
Regarding Campbell, everything I’m reading says the Red Sox view him more as an outfielder now, specifically a left fielder. He’s still so young, and there’s nothing to say he won’t play a bit of 2B, but I don’t think that’s their plan with him. From MassLive a few days ago:
“Campbell hasn’t played the field yet but the club expects him to get reps in left field, which is Boston’s preferred position for him moving forward. It’s less likely he sees any time in the infield this winter…
Cora mentioned that the club still has confidence Campbell can play second base, a position that remains open halfway through the offseason. But the Red Sox acknowledge Campbell’s future is likely on the grass.”
masslive.com/redsox/2025/12/why-red-sox-are-fine-i…
Time will tell. We still have about 2 months until spring training, and a lot can happen between now and then. And I think the lineup you see today can still be a lot different in 2 months.
And I’m pivoting in saying Duran will be traded instead of Abreu, because I took your advice and looked at sources 🙂 the Red Sox do seem to want to hold onto Abreu, but aren’t talking the same way about Duran.
MLB would go under without before East divisions and the Dodgers
St Louis was foolish to not demand Early or Tolle back in return. I’m not sure what that GM was thinking.
You don’t get Early or Tolle for Contreras. I like the trade as is. Contreras is a 1B now–those who are flogging the “backup C” have missed the point. Casas will spend most of the year in AAA (barring emergency) because he needs to show that he can hit and that he can stay healthy over a whole season. He has zero trade value this offseason.
Would NOT have gotten either but I’m sure they asked
There is no way STL was getting either Tolle or Early for Contreras. They should be jumping for joy they got Dobbins and $36 million off their books.
mlbnyyfan
St Louis was foolish to not demand Early or Tolle back in return. I’m not sure what that GM was thinking.
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He was thinking “why did Breslow just hang up on me?”.
FWIW, Contreras is underwater. They weren’t getting anything for him.
This just in; sports wouldn’t survive without the biggest markets participating. Analysts are stumped
What? Those leagues are capped and have a salary floor. Roughly the whole league spends the same. The NFL would be just fine without the Cowboys and NY Jets and Giants, just look at this season.
Look at the MLB off-season compared to other leagues. It’s a slog because 1/3 of the teams spend.
Nice trade for both sides I think, I like it.
Again….good doing business with you, Red Sox fans. Thanks for Fajardo….to me, that’s the prize.
I hope he’s healthy.
I liked Willson, fiery attitude, and the bat (when healthy) is better than good.
Fajardo is healthy as far as I know… You got a good one there. You’ll also like Dobbins, even if he has a lower ceiling.
Is Dobbins’ knee fully recovered? Was it an ACL tear this summer?
Dobbins is supposed to be ready for ST. Might have a slow ramp up though, I would be thinking 120 innings not 180.
and he’s probably insurance for our Question Mark rotation….no one knows what May will actually be able to give us.
It’s a rebuild, so I’m not grading any MLB players we get in return from trades. If they produce, then that’s a cherry on top.
He’s been pitching off a mound and last I knew was set to start throwing simulated games
Thanks for the info, Mainesox and Waittil2026
I’m surprised that you got him AND a starting pitcher
What’s everyone think the starting lineup for the Cardinals will be?
CF Scott
3B Wetherholt
DH Herrera
1B Burleson
SS Winn
2B Gorman/Saggese
RF Walker
C Pages
LF Fermin
I agree with most of this, SeerMagic.
I think Wetherholt plays second. He’s been a second baseman his whole life. He played shortstop his senior year of college to become a top draft pick. He played 12 games at third this year, but that’s it. He’s mainly a second baseman.
In that scenario, Gorman stays at third (his natural position). Saggese and Fermin kind of backup everywhere. I think LF ends up being a rotational position once Noot is gone. (Maybe even waiting until the trade deadline.)
I think Herrera gets one game each series at catcher if his throwing has improved. If not, he’ll play a little 1B, maybe even LF again.
I also think Crooks eventually replaces Pages as the part-time starter. If not, one of those two will be traded as well. Bernal will end up being the starter within two years.
Marmol rarely runs the same lineup out there anyway. There is going to be a lot of mix-and-match. I think that’s why Fermin kept his 40-man spot. For a guy who some think of as “barely a big leaguer,” the dude can hit. (Same with Torres. He’s played even more positions and has a great contact tool in the minors.) Saggese, Fermin, and Torres are Swiss Army knives.
I know it is still just December, but I’m not convinced Bloom moves Donavon nor Nootbar till the trade deadline. It will probably be a mistake not to get all that you can out of the additional half season of Donavon, but as long as he stays healthy and productive, there will be a contender with an injury mid-season that will overpay to get a guy with BD’s skills. Nootbar is basically a bounce-back candidate currently that really only ever had advanced stats in his favor. The guy has got to put it together on the field at some point or he won’t even be worth a lottery ticket in return.
Good pickup for the Sox, good for Dobbins too. He will actually get 30 starts there. In Boston that would be very difficult. However this means another trade has to be coming. Casas does not have a spot anymore, romy does what he does better. And we still have too many Outfielders. Will be interesting to see what happens now. This does clear the path to sign Bichette or Bregman. That will be the only ML FA they sign. Quite sad that them and the Rockies are the only ones who have yet to do so
Casas can do spot starts and if he hits he can get traded
Good player, but might be on the decline. He was a tough own in fantasy last year for me. Either way it’s a worthwhile trade I’d say.
They could of had Okamato for that price with no loss of arms
Contreras is likely miles better than Okamoto.
Really? You know that? Do you even know if he’s willing to play in Boston? Most Japanese players avoid the East Coast.
ST. Louis did him so dirty. I hate this.
I wonder if they will sign Bregman or Bo now? Bregman at 3rd with Mayer at 2nd. Or Bo at 2nd or 3rd with Mayer. A still could move Casas and others for another player. I guess time will tell.
How many games until he starts a bench clearing brawl with the Yankees? That dude has some anger issues.
Good power. Willson will like hitting in Fenway
This is very John Henry. Don’t go after the best free agent 1B, trade into a cheaper more team friendly situation. And as much as I still fume over the Devers BS, I can respect him for going back to his bread and butter.
Contreras is the ideal guy to fill and fit snugly for their next WS team. Hope it all works well!
The money coming with Contreras from the Cardinals makes this worth it. Dobbins seemed like a good thing, and he should have good success in St.Louis. As for the younger additions, I suspect Fajardo may be something to keep an eye on next year.
WILLSON!!!!
When the cardinals pitching still sucks they can’t blame Contreras.
He hasn’t played C since 2024…
No idea how he will do next 2 years. Hard to predict for regular players but catcher even harder on body. Contract is fair. They didn’t give up any good prospects. Good to dump salary for cards. Seems like a win win.
He’s done catching. 1B/DH.
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Good luck to Contreras in beantown. Dude was a great teammate and very solid player.
Now sign Okamoto or Bichette and let Bregman walk.
fine by me
Just a great fit
So far,they have made trades but shied away from FA signings……Hmm
Sox: B+
Cards: A-
Breslow is cooking with gas now and he didn’t give up much to get Contreras.
A #2 starter. A #4 starter. A very good hitting and fielding 1B.
Still need a 3B but the 3 best options on the FA market are still unsigned. Lots of depth in the rotation. Could probably use another setup man.
Casas will be moved soon. Maybe for a reliever.
Red Sox fans have got to feel good about the direction they are moving this offseason.
I’m not so sure on Casas being moved, even if the Sox plan on keeping him and think he’ll be ready for opening day, starting him at DH is probably best for his knee and his overall health. I think it’s as likely that Yoshida gets moved as Casas.
Yoshida is pretty much ummovable. If they keep Casas I bet they just DFA Yoshida.
If the Sox eat enough money someone will take Yoshida
If the Sox eat half that contract Masa can be moved imo. It’s not like he has no value he can hit he was the Red Sox best hitter in September after he got healthy.
Cards have a former platinum glover with a bad contract at third currently. I mean it is starting to make sense at this point….
When both Breslow and Cora refused to say that Casas would be in the mix for 1B when asked at the Winter Meetings, it was a foregone conclusion that they would ship him out if they can.
Unless you’re bringing in Bregman or Bichette, this is a very underwhelming off-season for the Red Sox.
Well they still have a completely empty hole in the infield, so they’ll be bringing in someone, and they’ve certainly improved
I’d say Boston got off light only giving up Dobbins. That’s one less starting RH depth piece, but they’re still holding the strong LHs (Early, Tolle, Harrison). Will be interesting to see how much $$ StL is throwing in.
And there’s still this outfield depth to deal from. I think there’s at least one more big move coming. I don’t see them laying out for Bichette or Bregman, but something creatively cheap could be had.
I hope they lay out for Bichette. He fits the timeline well and is willing to play 2B.
Agreed and we may be able to add Jake Bennett to that list of good LH SP prospects.
The Red Sox still have Kutter Crawford who should be ready to go and compete for a spot in the rotation if not he has two options remaining and will be depth in Worcester.
wouldn’t shock me if Crawford was used in a trade similar to priester to get a comp draft pick back if they sign someone with a QO.
Good deal for the Sox, bad deal for Bloom. Three pitchers who don’t miss bats. But could develop I suppose.
I’d have held out for one of the lesser excess OFs or Casas as part of the deal, but he’s been ordered to cut payroll to the bone.
The Cardinals only had to kick in $8 million? With prospects too, a big win for them, I’d say.
No one else would have let them off that easy
Contreras had positive value without any pay down.
Depends on who has to pay the contract.
I don’t care what BTV says Contreras has excess value at his current contract rate especially with the Bloom paying 8 million of the salary over the next two seasons.
2.5 WAR means he had about $7 million positive value with his $18 million salary.
Does Boston have a bridge bat to take over in 2-3 years? It seems like a decent trade but if they’re expecting him to be a long-term middle-of-the-order fixture at 1B/DH, that might end up turning sour. Overall, I rate this a B+ move that turns into a C– very quickly if Boston treats a declining-profile corner bat like a foundational piece.
With all the youth and depth boston has (and had) Getting contreras and Gray just seems like a light return for what we are giving up.. Come august when injuries are popping up i think we are going to wish we had done a little better on the giving and receiving. Casas has solid 40 homer potential but he has to have a chance. Hoping for the best but i hope when they trade duran they actually get a solid #2.
The one thing Breslow can spare is pitching. They aren’t even going to feel the departure of these three. The Red Sox are loaded with pitching on the farm and they added Witherspoon, Phillips, and Eyanson in the first three rounds big arms with Kyson Witherspoon likely to start at AA Portland and the other two in High A Greenville.
Now I can I finally root for this guy again. St Louis isn’t all cracked up as you thought it would be eh Willson?
Any St. Louis fans confirm? I just heard a podcast that said the local papers in St. Louis state for the first time in 25 years the Cardinals got money from MLB from the competitive balance fund. It also said ticket sales are down almost 30% since 2021. This explains a lot of trying to dump all the veterans, beyond rebuilding.
Correct. The past few years the former GM and POBO talked down to fans and thats why there were less butts in seats.
They did take a big attendance hit in ‘25 so maybe these things are true
Always consolation prizes for the Red Sox. A #2 and an elite slugger became Sonny Gray and Wilson Conteras. They promise wagyu and serve hamburgers.
Only foodies could complain about good food.
Breslow is dealing from his position of excess. Dobbins in all likelihood was going to start in Worcester when he got back but that Worcester is crazy loaded still. Fajardo is the reason real upside on this trade. He throws strikes and he misses bat with his fastball, slider, change repertoire. Dobbins likely fits into the Cardinals rotation, in fact, I expect him to be the better pitcher between Fitts and him.
Bloom is showing he’s definitely not afraid to trade prospects for big leaguers. I’m a little surprised he traded Fajardo whom he stole from Chicago in Cam Booser trade. If we look at the Red Sox pitching in Worcester it’s likely to still be Tolle, Crawford, Harrison, Sandlin, Uberstine, Drohan that’s crazy depth. It’s possible that Early is there as well but I think he wins a spot of spring training and Sandoval likely starts in the pen maybe Drohan as well.
Oh and I forgot Jake Bennett he’s starting in AAA Worcester as well.
Enjoy your purchase
BTV doesn’t like the trade
Red Sox give up $9.3 million plus Aita for negative $6.1 million
BTV undervalued Contreras. Think you will be very happy with him, he’s much liked in STL.
RD
I’ll ask you the same question that no one ever answers.
What is your evidence that BTV is wrong?
Also, why would I be happy with him? Or unhappy with him?
You greatly overestimate BTV if you believe he has negative value, particularly in light of Alondos deal. Contreras is nearly the same player as Alonso – not as good as hitter, way better defender. Let’s say 80% as good, in line with projections.
His contract is 40% less and wont be an albatross for the last 2-3 years. No BS, I wouks rather have Contreras. And its not close.
He’s also a fierce competitor and a fan favourite. Won over the STL fans despite being a former Cub and a bad catcher, especially when he surprised everyone with his 1B chops.
That do ya? Or is your faith in the crappy BTV algorithm unshakeable?
RD
“That do ya?”.
Not even in the ballpark
Alonso has nothing to do with Contreras’ value
Yeah he does. Both right handed first basemen, same age. In fact they are as close as comps get. Alonso obviously the better hitter, but not by as much as you think, and Contreras is the better fielder and a famously positive clubhouse guy.
I refer to BTV just to know when I’m in the ballpark, but minor league players be evaluated with an algo. And a secondary consideration is not just their value, but would they ever see the light of day. Dobbins would be an old man before his ticket number ever came up.
I have no idea where he’d be this year. Even next year, assuming Gray and Sandy are gone, there will only be one opening for the rotation, and 7-8 guys trying out for that one spot.
It’s completely common sense that BTV gets it wrong a lot of times just from looking at some of the evaluations. It severely undervalues larger contracts no matter what production is attached to them, and that’s a failure of the model.
The biggest problem with the model is it doesn’t take into account the reality that the really consistent high-producing players are scarce and have a lot less risk attached to them than unestablished prospects. That scarcity and reduction of the risk of regression adds a lot to their value, which is why teams pay the contracts they pay. The model dos not at all take either of those things into account
seamaholic – not quite sure about your comment.
– Alonso great clubhouse and fan favorite
Alonso – HR 31, RBI 126, OPS .871 OPS+ 144
Contreras – 20 80 .791 118
Half the price, Half the stats
thats all FSG cares about
Defense (big disparity) and length of contract are why the real difference is not this great – i wouldn’t want the last 3/90 of that deal. And the RBI is a bit hard to gauge given Contreras has played in a bad lineup.
But for sure, Alonso is a better hitter.
seam
No
If Alonso was signed to a badc dreal, that doesn’t mean that Contreras’ valuation is wrong.
Check BTV for Alondo. I’m sure it’s a huge negative.
stan lee
“It’s completely common sense that BTV gets it wrong a lot of times just from looking at some of the evaluations. It severely undervalues larger contracts no matter what production is attached to them, and that’s a failure of the model.”
Question that no one answers
Maybe you will
When you disagree with a model like BTV, how do you decide if BTV is wrong or if you are wrong?
Further evidence that BTV doesnt do market values, as Alonso by definition is worth exactly what someone was willing to pay.
I rest my case.
RD
“Further evidence that BTV doesnt do market values, as Alonso by definition is worth exactly what someone was willing to pay.”
So, you don’t believe that a player can sign a contract that doesn’t properly value them?
Like, if some team decided to sign Max Kepler for 2 years and $30 million that his trade value wouldn’t be negative?
The value of anything is what someone is willing to pay. Economics 101. Google it.
RD
Right
It’s TRADE value.
Read the name of the site
Do you think that it is possible for a team to sign a player to a deal that has negative trade value? Yes or no?
And back to your orginal attempt at an explanation. What does what the Orioles signed Alonso to have to do with Contreras being undervalued?
Ok, you had the last word. We can go home now.
RD
I asked you to say why you think that BTV undervalued Contreras.
You haven’t been capable of saying anything even related to that. Just talking about Pete Alonso for some reason.
You don’t know what you’re talking about and you sling insults at those who do.
You’re a waste of my time
Muted
Contreras played pretty good first base last year .He was above average and a good line drive hitter with some power. I think Boston will really like him. They’re gonna be surprised. the Cardinals had a terrible roster structure. I hate to see him go, but it had to happen……
Interesting that Passan calls Contreras’ defense “Passable” and suggests this means Casas will “likely” be traded.
Casas has options and needs to go to Worcester to get healthy, and mash AAA pitching….trading him now would be dumb.
I read Contreras was 4-5th for DRS and OAR in 2025.
I would argue that a change of scenery will add some juice for Willson, and Fenway will lead him to hit 35-plus doubles. He might have Duran Bregman and Anthony in front of him; we’ll see if Abreu can protect him.
Finally, he hits lefty pitching, a declining art for RH hitters these days.
Wonders what take to get Casas to DH or platoon 1B with Spencer
Lots of teams asking that question today. 25 year olds with a 130 wRC+ season on their resume don’t grow on trees.
It’s a good trade for the Red Sox. He’s only 33, still playing well and still hitting pretty well. He brings a solid clubhouse presence and hopefully now they can bundle Casas and Duran to someone for a proper #2 starter.
Why are people hellbent on trading Duran? Raffaele would seen like just as good a way to relieve the jam.
Next week they’ll trade for Arenado after Bregman signs somewhere else.
No need to trade anything for him unless the Cards are paying most of his salary.
At the right price, I’d take Arenado as well, at the right price. He still has some production left, imo.
i see nothing but positives in this deal for Boston.
Are they paying MLBTR writers by the word now?
Not the guy we wanted or needed to solve any of the problems, but this is in line with what we have grown accustomed to expecting. We have a logjam at DH, or a new issue at first when Casas returns. They either view Casas at this point as a platoon or he is departing when they are able.
Nothing against Contreras. He is a B tier guy that will contribute more than we have gotten from our in house first base options. We will see in time what else they do to address second/third/bullpen/power.
He’s way better than that. You should watch baseball more than just when the Sox play the Yankees.
Been watching this guy since he came up, a lot actually. He is a solid hitter with sporadic power, usually gap to gap. He gives you fairly consistent at bats game over game over a whole season. Nice to have on any team as a complementary piece.
We were heading into the season needing a third baseman/second baseman, a true number 2, and upgraded power. Have we done that?
FYI, I have missed less Red Sox games since cable tv and the vcr was created than years I have been alive(I am not young). I rarely if ever miss the live game unless physically unable to be in front of a TV, and in that case it used to always be taped, or now, watched on MLB TV since that was created.
There are still questions on whether Casas is available opening day. Although this may be the case, there is plenty to read into where this situation goes from here now that Contreras is likely the guy this year and the next.
As for the logjam aspect, it remains to be seen how it will unfold. The team may want to platoon Yoshida at DH. His splits have struggled as he worked through those injuries. Contreras grabbing those ABs would be simple enough.
It blows my mind reading the delusional, hopium comments made by the people in these comments sections. Contreras is a “good” hitter. He is a slight upgrade to what they had. He is not the impact player that the Red Sox need. They have plenty of “good” hitters. They need a great hitter. This is probably a good business move, but not a move that will help them win more than .500 games. I’m strongly sensing that the Red Sox will not do more than what is required to get them to the .500 mark, and they are anticipating a lockout next season. It’s boring and it produces a garbage product. It bewilders me that you people still watch this slop.
Dude they were 16 games over 500 last year. You mixing them up with the Royals or something?
seamaholic – the Red Sox were good enough to finish in third place. They got into the playoffs and were dismissed. The Blue Jays and Orioles are both much better than last year
Are you mixing the Sox up with someone else?
It’s not ‘hopium’. A lot of the comments came from Cards’ fans saying that the RS are going to really like this guy.
Yuck a 34yr old we have for 2 more yrs and 20mill for a 3rd yr or 7.5 mill buyout for Dobbins and 2 other P who are all controllable 6 yrs…we needed a 2nd or 3b not a 1b IMO, Breslow stop touching things unless its the checkbook and bring US a #2 SP and Bregman… Did we wait 7 years just to watch you completely screw this Up!? Grrrr
Oh please.
Complete lies he is so so defender. He was 4th in outs above average at 1B. Which in my opinion is the best defensive metric.
Another useless trade. They don’t want to sign anyone in free agency so they will continue to burn threw prospects to make trades. It was a nice run from 2004 to 2019 where the six were top 3 in payroll and were in on every free agent. Those days are gone and we have enough evidence to show they are not coming back. They say once our top prospects make it to the majors we will spend, clearly that was a lie. I would say fire Breslow but it’s probably Henry telling him he can’t sign any free agents. I’m definitely starting to check out on this team, because if ownership doesn’t care then why should anyone else.
What is so useless about this trade?
Cleveland – we are now on the hook with a 34 year old for $18m.
I cant believe i have to do this, but I couldnt wait to get rid of him, but, Romy Gonzalez had a higher OPS and OPS+ last year, is four years younger
SadSox3 — There weren’t better options that fit into the plans. $17.25M for likely the last two good seasons Contreras has left isn’t crazy.
Contreras moving to Fenway from Busch is going to help him.
He is a well above average defender wt 1st, I doubt most baseball fans know that. His rates on offense are great too. Without injuries he’s an all star 1st basemen. I think he’s going to mash in Fenway although will admit ai dont know how much if a pull hitter he is. If he pulls the ball a lot I can see him with a ton of doubles. Cardinals didnt even get a top 20 organizational pick. Red Sox got 2 borderline all stars from the Cardinals for maybe a 4th and 5th starter. Bloom has helped the Sox far more than the cardinals so far.
And the Cardinals have dumped quite a bit of future salary. That was the point of these trades and the future Arenado trade. Financial flexibility.
financial flexibility doesn’t mean anything if you arent willing to spend and you dont get talent. cardinals have no chance of being good before those contracts are up so the savings only matter if you really think it means they will be willing to spend big in like 4-10 years.
Comments like this just completely ignore the fact that the Cardinals have needed to completely rebuild their minor league system from the ground up. Just because the savings won’t be going into contracts does not mean the savings are insignificant in any way, shape, or form. All of that money is going back into prospect development and evaluation, which absolutely matters in today’s game. The Cardinals are making a conscious decision to be terrible at the major league level in order to be more consistently competitive in the future and that’s a big deal for the franchise.
I’m a fan of the Cardinals so I hope you are correct. At the end of the day, to contend at the big level you need talent. It has to come from somewhere. trade, draft, development, free agency. if some spending on organizational structure and strategy helps a couple of those then great. but it’s also okay to be a little skeptical of the old trust-the-process kool-aid. this is year 3 of rebuilding to the fans, even if its only year 1 of a rebuild under some new leadership.
Red Sox better “HOPE” their sub .250 hitting outfielders make a significant jump this year or at best a 3rd place finish in division will be in serious doubt. All this BoSox hype is much ado about nothing. Contreras is not gonna bring them the division title.
Heh. Sox have one of the best outfields in baseball.
Maybe one of the most ignorant takes I’ve seen in quite some time. The Red Sox have arguably the best outfield in Major League Baseball. Oh and NOS there are better ways to rate hitters than batting average just saying and don’t forget about the guy who slashed the .292/.396/.463 last year and is the best of the very talented bunch. The last thing the Red Sox are concerned about is the outfield.
Dobbins is just happy he didn’t get traded to the Yankees or he’d have to retire
Heeheehee.
What a horrible way to go for the Sox. So many options and they choose the declining one.
Well cards have 7 new players from Boston this off season. Wilson and Gray go to Boston 6 minor league players come from Boston to Cardinals even Dustin May was a free agent from Boston. So how many more to come over from Boston if only Bloom can now pull 7 from Seattle Mariners, now that would be impressive. As long as some are top 30 prospects.
This trade was sitting on ice while teams waited for Murukami to sign. He goes 2/$34M and 12 hrs later this trade happens with the money going to the Sox making this essentially the same monetary deal. You know what you’re getting in Contreras though.
I like the deal and the long term flexibility the roster has. Get a 3B with 20+ hr power and the line up is set. That said only 4 3B had over 25 hrs last yr, 8 over 20. Most aren’t moving teams even with a trade. Maybe there’s a deal for Riley or Bohm if those teams want to push for Suarez.
There are enough options in the org to sort out 2B internally and it can be solved in season if not.
Should see if they can get the same deal for Okamato
Before you all beat up on me for this comment…. I know Contreras is a 1B/DH…. but at least he can be an emergency Catcher… so they don’t waste a roster spot on a 3rd Catcher like they did in September. With that said … only as an emergency basis or in extra frames if you need it to help win a game.
Stone him immediately!!
Kidding, I completely agree. 3rd catcher in a pinch or extra innings. The team has a lot of multi position versatility which enables more creative management. Having a team of guys that can move around the diamond is the baseball version of basketball teams with a roster full of 6’6” to 6’9” wings. The team has adaptability and flexibility.
IDC WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE BUT DO NOT TRADE CASAS!! & SIGN BREGMAN!! VALDEZ IS A #2 WE NEED AS WELL‼️
No to Bregman, too old for a 6 year deal- he was crazy for walking away from 80 m$ in just 2 years
Paid too much- should have gone for Donovan and Romero