The Orioles bolstered their rotation with an intradivision swap netting them right-hander Shane Baz from Tampa Bay, the teams announced Friday. In return, the Rays receive outfielder Slater de Brun, catcher Caden Bodine, right-hander Michael Forret, outfielder Austin Overn and a Competitive Balance Round A draft pick. Baltimore designated lefty Josh Walker for assignment to open a roster spot for Baz (more on that move here).
Baz, 26, will step right into Baltimore’s rotation. As is the case with the recently traded Grayson Rodriguez, Baz once ranked as one of the sport’s top pitching prospects. In fact, a look back at Baseball America’s top 100 prospects of the 2022 season shows Rodriguez at No. 6 and Baz right behind him at No. 8.
Baltimore, of course, traded Rodriguez and his remaining four years of club control to the Angels in exchange for the final year of club control over slugging corner outfielder Taylor Ward. Rodriguez hasn’t pitched in a big league game in nearly 18 months due to injuries. Baz has his own lengthy injury history but pitched a career-high 166 1/3 innings across 31 starts for Tampa Bay last season. The two are different pitchers with different skill sets and different levels of risk, and both are projects (to varying extents). But it’s nevertheless notable that the O’s shipped out one former top-10 pitching prospect and just weeks later effectively replaced him by acquiring another.
In 2025, Baz worked to a 4.87 earned run average but drew more favorable reviews from metrics like SIERA (3.95) and FIP (4.37). He fanned 24.8% of his opponents, issued walks at a 9% clip and kept the ball on the ground at a better-than-average 46.7% rate. Home runs were the biggest problem for Baz, who saw 15.6% of the fly-balls against him clear the outfield fence and allowed an overall average of 1.41 homers per nine innings pitched.
Specifically, Baz was homer-prone in right-on-right matchups. The Rays played last year’s “home” games at Tampa’s Steinbrenner Field (the Class-A affiliate for the Yankees) while Tropicana Field was undergoing repairs after significant damage at the hands of Hurricane Milton. Steinbrenner Field played as the second most homer-friendly venue in MLB for right-handed hitters, per Statcast’s Park Factors; Baltimore’s Camden Yards was still homer-friendly to righties, but not nearly to the same extent.
If Baz can rein in the home run woes and continue to stay healthy, he has the makings of a mid-rotation starter. Those aren’t trivial caveats, however — particularly the health one. Baz had arthroscopic elbow surgery prior to the 2022 season, returned to pitch 27 innings that summer, and then went back on the injured list due to an elbow sprain. He underwent Tommy John surgery that September and missed all of the 2023 season and the first half of the 2024 campaign.
Injury concerns notwithstanding, Baz sat 97 mph with his four-seamer this past season and got strong results on a new knuckle curveball that he hadn’t previously used in the majors. Opponents hit just .214 and slugged .321 against that newly implemented breaking pitch. Baz also works off a changeup and a cutter (getting better results with the former in 2025), rounding out a four-pitch arsenal.
The Orioles will control Baz for another three seasons. He’s a Super Two player who’s eligible for the second of his four arbitration raises this offseason. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projected an eminently affordable $3.1MM salary for the right-hander. That bumps the Orioles’ projected payroll, per RosterResource, north of $140MM and gives them more than $178MM of luxury tax considerations. They’re still nearly $70MM from the first tax threshold.
Baltimore entered the offseason in clear need of rotation help. Baz adds a capable arm with some yet-untapped upside but isn’t the clear playoff-caliber starter Baltimore has sought (though he has the potential to become that). He joins Trevor Rogers, Kyle Bradish and Dean Kremer as rotation locks. Tyler Wells, Cade Povich, Brandon Young and Chayce McDermott are all candidates for the fifth spot who are already on the 40-man roster.
That’s solid depth, but the Orioles’ rotation still feels like it’s one veteran arm short. The team’s aggressive signing of Pete Alonso (plus acquisitions of Ward and Baz) are clear signals of a win-now mindset as they look to put an ugly 2025 season behind them. Adding a proven starter would go a long way toward realizing that goal. Baltimore has been linked to prominent free agents like Framber Valdez, Ranger Suarez and Tatsuya Imai — all of whom remain unsigned. Even after adding Alonso, Baz, Ward and free agent closer Ryan Helsley, their projected payroll is more than $20MM shy of last season’s Opening Day mark. There should be room to make another splash on the starting pitching front.
In exchange for the final three years of control over Baz, Tampa Bay is getting several of the Orioles’ top-30 prospects and a well-placed pick in the 2026 draft. Baseball America recently re-ranked the top-10 prospects in Baltimore’s system, placing Forret eighth among the bunch and calling him a potential No. 3 or 4 starter. The 21-year-old righty has strong command and a deep repertoire of six pitches, highlighted by a pair of above-average to plus breaking balls (curveball, sweeper). He split the 2025 season between High-A and Double-A, logging a combined 74 innings with a pristine 1.58 ERA, a huge 32.3% strikeout rate and a tidy 7.4% walk rate.
Forret is the only of the four prospects ranked inside BA’s top 10, though both de Brun and Bodine were top-10 names in the system on MLB.com’s midseason re-ranking of the bunch. The 18-year-old de Brun, in particular, is a big addition. He was selected with the No. 37 overall draft pick — coincidentally enough, a Competitive Balance Round A selection — just this past summer. De Brun didn’t play professionally following that lofty selection. He’ll head to the low minors in Tampa Bay’s system and make his professional debut there in 2026.
Baseball America called de Brun the top high school outfielder in last year’s draft class, lauding his plus-plus speed, above-average hit tool, strong throwing arm and good instincts in center field. He’s listed at just 5’9″ and has below-average power. He’ll be a yearslong development project, but if all goes well, the end result could be a table-setting center fielder with plus base-stealing ability and plus defense.
Bodine, 22, was selected seven picks ahead of de Brun in last summer’s draft. The former Coastal Carolina University standout got his feet wet with 11 games for the Orioles’ Class-A affiliate following the draft and hit well in that small sample. He’s a 5’10”, 200-pound, switch-hitting catcher who draws praise for a plus hit tool and good defensive skills. Like de Brun, he has below-average power. And, as one might expect for a catcher, his speed gets below-average ratings as well. Bodine hit .337/.440/.528 with nearly twice as many walks as strikeouts during his three NCAA seasons and began his pro career with a 14-for-43 showing (13 singles, one double), five walks and eight strikeouts in 49 A-ball appearances.
As with both Bodine and de Brun, Overn is another recent, lofty draft pick for the Orioles. Selected out of USC with the No. 97 pick in 2024, he’s a blistering runner with good defensive skills but fringe power and strikeout concerns. Overn hit .249/.355/.399 between Baltimore’s Class-A and Double-A affiliates in 2025, connecting on 13 homers, 13 doubles and four triples. He also went 64-for-72 in stolen base attempts over just 114 minor league games. MLB.com ranked him 30th in Baltimore’s system following this year’s trade deadline, tabbing him as a potential fourth outfielder or, in a best-case scenario, a speed- and defense-oriented regular. He’ll likely need to improve his hit tool and/or add some more power to get to that ceiling.
The Rays also add a notable draft pick. Baltimore won the fifth pick in Competitive Balance Round A during this month’s lottery. The exact draft order isn’t set yet — draft compensation surrounding free agents who rejected qualifying offers could still impact it — but in 2025 that was the No. 37 overall selection. Coincidentally, that’s the very pick that the Rays traded to the O’s in exchange for reliever Bryan Baker. Baltimore used that pick to select de Brun. It now trades de Brun back to Tampa Bay alongside what could very well end up being the No. 37 pick in the subsequent season’s draft. Last year’s No. 37 pick had a $2.63MM slot value, though de Brun signed for an over-slot $4MM. The Rays are likely adding around $2.7MM in pool space to next year’s draft budget with the acquisition of this pick.
Subtracting Baz depletes a Rays rotation that already looked like it might be one arm short. At the moment, Tampa Bay’s rotation figures to include Drew Rasmussen, Ryan Pepiot, Shane McClanahan and Steven Matz. Joe Boyle, Joe Rock, Ian Seymour and top prospect Brody Hopkins are among the internal candidates to step into the five spot. The first three are already on the 40-man roster.
However, the Rays will also surely have McClanahan on an innings limit after he missed the past two full seasons due to UCL and nerve surgeries. They’ll need to add some more innings to this group one way or another. By shipping out Baz and second baseman Brandon Lowe in separate trades this morning, the Rays trimmed more than $14MM off their projected payroll for the upcoming season. Per RosterResource, they now sit at about $78MM. That’s right in line with last year’s Opening Day mark.
Coming off a season in which they missed the playoffs and played their home games in a minor league park, the Rays may not be anxious to add a starter making $10MM+ per year. But Tampa Bay ran an Opening Day payroll of $98MM as recently as 2024 and is now under new ownership. It stands to reason that there could be some room to add a modestly priced starter in free agency. Alternatively, the trades of Baz and Lowe have only revitalized a perennially solid Tampa Bay farm system. The Rays could turn to the trade market to bring in some more help in the weeks ahead.
The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal first reported that the Orioles were nearing a deal to acquire Baz. ESPN’s Jeff Passan first reported the agreement and the Rays’ return.


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Bend what?
Like Beckham?
Ben? Nice to meet ya!
Dastardly fleece by the Rays
BTV says it’s about even
Outdated model that performs poorly in comparison to the infallible FPF Valuation Model
Holy trade return
@FPF They’re not perfect but they are better than most of the commenters on this site. Like the guys in my own fanbase who think they can get a pitcher about as good as Nick Pivetta who is cheaper and can’t opt out after 2026 for… well… Nick Pivetta.
How? According to MLB Pipeline, those prospects become TB’s #5, #6, #11, #20 in their farm…and they get a CB pick that should be top-45ish overall. So, by next year, it’s possible this trade could provide them 5 of their farm’s top-20 ranked prospects (according to MLBPipeline). And all for a guy that has a lot of upside but isn’t a career sub-4.00 ERA/FiP. Wow!
An eye test says no.
Morosi says that K Marte is possibly in their radar to replace Lowe. We’ll see.
Just shows how much value a decent, cheap starter has.
Yes, the Rays fleeced the O’s in this deal. The Rays get get two recent first round picks from Bal, a recent 3rd round pick and a future “1st-ish” round pick (Top 40) in the upcoming 2026 draft for a pitcher who has good stuff but really hasn’t put it all together for a full season yet. If Baz reaches his ceiling, he could be a #2 starter, but he’s more likely to end up as a 3 or 4 provided he can stay healthy.
Nice long term deal for Tampa.
Never trade with Tampa. They almost always come out ahead.
“ Never trade with Tampa. They almost always come out ahead”
This used to be the case. Not so much in recent seasons.
“Never trade with Tampa. They almost always come out ahead.”
Blake Snell, Jake Cronenworth and Trea Turner would like to have a word with you outside.
Rays got #6,10,11,and 30th ranked prospects from the O’s in this trade. For a guy who’s potentially a really good solid 2/3 guy smh
That’s just according to one outlet. If you look at Baseball America, the Orioles are not sending back any of their top 10 prospects back in this deal.
I mislooked. Forrett is on BA’s top 10 at number 8. Still for a player with unlocked potential, only 1 top 10 prospect is good value.
When was Trea a Ray?
I live in Tampa. Since Friedman ran the Rays until now the Rays always make great trades for that Organization. That Friedman mentality is taught down to every Rays Player Personnel Manager. Great Org for being a small/mid Market team.
Don’t forget Issac Parades
The Wil Myers trade with SD. They received Trea Turner but flipped him to Nats for Steven Souza. Obviously chose poorly on that one.
But we Tigers fans are still gunshy after the last big they made with Tampa. Our 3B issue might not exist if they hadn’t made that trade. Hindsight is 20-20 I guess!
De Brun hasn’t played yet so thats why he isn’t ranked. The Orioles way overpaid him out of the draft so he would skip going to college. He is an unknown but wouldn’t be surprising if hes a star
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Cristopher Sanchez gives his regards.
@cheapsester He could have been if the Rays had just traded for him rather than letting the Nats get involved in that trade because they wanted *checks notes* Steven Souza and Travis Ott so bad.
The Rays are better at trading than most teams, but let’s not act like they’re infallible. In the 2020s alone, they’ve traded Jake Cronenworth, Jose Alvarado, Joe Ryan, Blake Snell, Xavier Edwards, Blake Snell, and Willy Adames and have very little if anything to show for any of them.
Trea Turner was never a part of Rays organization.
Ha…the Rays always get nice long term deals….that one year when they got all that compensation because everyone wanted their players (when Ballfour became a free agent) they accumulated a ton of high draft picks….what did they accomplish from that time and fifteen years later? Not much…some playoff appearances…but no rings!!
I agree. It’s like gambling against the casino
@MLB…being a fellow Pirate fan, surely this trade takes you back to when the Rays did win a particular trade, and by a landslide.
Not in the last 3 years, but this one has potential
This one has potential, yes, but the Rays have Baz in the first place because they completely stole him from the Pirates.
They aren’t going to get every trade correct, but they usually win out on most deals. I think 9 Playoff, and two WS, appearances since Friedman started it in 2008 speaks volumes. Especially for a small Market Team in that tough Division with the Yanks, Sox, and Jays.
9 Playoff, and two WS, appearances since 2008 under Friedman’s direction is pretty impressive. Even more impressive in that tough Division with the big spending Tanks, Red Sox, and Jays. You put them in the AL Central and they probably have a few more Playoff appearances.
They are a well run organization. I’m a Tigers fan but cheer for Tampa as well. Every year people count them out and then they bring up a couple rookies, find a new gear for a player others gave up on, find contributors where others didn’t look et al.
Exactly! And many Rays fans are satisfied with playoff appearances and Wild Card banners. Not me. Spend money and give Tampa a ring or sell the team again!!!
Forret has potential, but 90% of Oriole prospects are brutally overrated. Except for Gunnar, Adley and (to a point) Holladay, they’re impressing nobody.
Jordan Westburg is impressing everybody, so is Samuel Basallo and Dylan Beavers. How is Kyle Stowers doing in Miami?
I’m not impressed with any of those guys
So you’re not impressed with Jordan Westburg, Samuel Basallo, Dylan Beavers or Kyle Stowers — yet you think the Rays fleeced the Orioles for Caden Bonine, Slater de Brun, Michael Forret and Austin Overn? I’d ask you to explain yourself but no one would care.
Basallo is still a prospect. Hasn’t had a chance to impress anyone yet. What little he has shown has far from impressed me
Holliday was the most overrated of the bunch. He was never a major league SS defensively. He should’ve been a top 10-15 overall not #1. He was a likely 2B who needed to absolutely rake to ever make #1 look correct.
I still think he’s going to be a very nice 2B but this guy was never Bobby Witt or Gunnar
Westburg- First rounder turned average 2B/3B
Basallo – 1B only who will whiff too much for power to play
Beavers – platoon corner outfielder
Stowers – only became successful when Marlins superior hitting dev got their hands on him
At least Overn, de Brun, and Bodine have actual tools
Crazy to say about a 21 year old
Still crazy after all these
Seems super high. Id take grayson and these 4 and take my chances any day over Ward and baz (who’s bright star is fading at least as much as Grayson’s was)
G Rod is John Means 2.0…. He might as well retire too.
At least Baz pitched last season. Grayson didn’t pitch at all in 2025 and keeps coming down with multiple, unrelated injuries.
Rays giving up again in the first year under new owners. Brilliant.
Rays got a massive haul in return. Good deal for them.
BTV says it’s about even
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I suspect the O’s feel like the only potential impact player they gave up in this trade was Slater de Brun. The O’s didn’t give up any top prospects in this trade — but still a nice haul for the Rays for a good starter with some question marks.
Wasn’t Bodine one of the top rated defensive catchers in thst draft? He looked like a steal on draft day.
Bodine’s a near elite contact hitter and can stick at catcher.
i agree somewhat. I am sure they look at De Brun as risky long term project, Bodine as a D first C who is a major gamble to hit enough to play in the bigs, and Forrett being interesting but one of several interesting arms in the system.
De Brun is the guy with a chance to make this trade look terrible- but every guy has their warts…. 3 years of a mid rotation guy for this mix is not bad- but they have to think they can get Baz to the next level
Before saying that, check out the Rays return. Geesch!
Is a 🔥Sale in Tampa
Yet somehow they will still field a decent team, getting contributions from God knows who.
Oh my God! They’re having a fire!……………….sale.
“Evacuate all the school children….” -T. Funke
Any… I repeat “any”… Tobias Funke quote and/or reference gets a nice thumbs up from me, well played gents.
Why are they having a fire 🔥 sale?
Good trade for O’s
good trade for both sides. This is a wide prospect return- but a lot of solid guys who should be org top 10 that simply are not since the Os have a super deep farm system.
I think this was the Os cashing in the prospect haul they got at the last deadline (de brun technically being the only one, but the rest they just stocked up- and Codine never made sense for a team with Adley, Basell0 and just having took Ike Irish.
No. Get baseball america to help followbth minor leagues.
Baz has so much control that honestly i have no clue.
I do like both sides of this trade- the Os for sure are getting 3 mid rotation guys from Baz (or as sure as you can get)….. the Rays needed wide and got some upside (forrett and de brun) and floor (codine who at worst is a D first C). They could be bringing in 18 years of team control for 3, but it is a gamble anything works out.
And the Red Sox continue to sit on their thumbs.
Went from 3rd place to 4th with this trade
More exciting than simply sitting on their hands
As long as they aren’t thumbs up…
@WCSoxFan
I think we might have been to that particular establishment.
You, sir… are NoSaint. 🤣
@Gwynning
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Your guys made a much better trade for Gray a month ago. Don’t complain b
Don’t do it O’s! Not this level pitcher, go after some stud starters…
This deal in no way precludes that. They’re still working on getting their frontline guy(s).
Probably stops them on the trade market. Thats a ton to give up for Baz. Can’t believe that’s the best they could get for those guys.
Jc11986 – totally agree. This is a prime package. If this is the best they could get with what is effectively their most valuable chips, then that’s it for trade. FA is their only avenue for TOR starter.
This is in no way the Os most valuable chips. It’s more like their second tier chips. It at least sends another message that these Orioles are all-in, and going for it NOW.
I guess the question is, would this trade with Mayo bring in someone like Gore?
The Os gave up their 6, 10, 11, and 30 prospects. Still have a deep farm and probably mayo. They can get whoever they want still if the price is right
There’s no reason to think we’re done after this.
Correct
He’s a good pitcher with the potential to be better. He was pitching in the minor league bandbox last year, which hurt his numbers. His home ERA was 5.90, away 3.86. He allowed 18 homers at home, with just 8 given up on the road.
I commend the rays
No other tm (mayb brewers?) in recent history is as adept at developing & flipping than tampa
As for the o’s, hey they wanna put disappointing ‘25 behind em. Makin big moves (dunno the prospects going back yet tho)
Now that i see the prospects
Wow
3 first rd picks, a 21 yr old SP with a 1.58 era in minors last yr, and a guy with power-speed combo. Rays have done it again. Small market little engine that could
Have to keep the Delmon Young trade tree going on and on. The strong 26 draft class is a bonus.
Mayo going to Rays means another shoe to drop in tampa…
I’m sure someone will hold the Mayo.
I’d be shocked if they give up Mayo in this sort of deal.
What’s the other shoe, yandy?
NOOOOOOOO!
More White Castle than Mountcastle with Mayo.
Love this wordplay. Surprised nobody has used this before? Haha.
Meh.
Rays having a sale…they already offloaded three good guys for two prospects.
Hope they receive something better here.
A 5-1? I don’t know the names and prospect levels but that’s a good haul for Baz either way. Stocked up.
Neander is washed. He had a good run from 2019-2023, but he’s made some pretty awful moves these past couple of years.
This is a pretty big return for a guy who has been fairly mediocre though
I agree. I commented before I saw the return, but I really like this trade. Still don’t trust Neander tho, especially after the Paredes trade and the Caballero trade, amongst others. But this is a good step in the right direction.
Can you run a team with that little of a payroll? Rays don’t spend money to compete forever they have to go through rebuilding
As long as we still add another solid starter, and I fully expect that we will, then this is a pretty great move.
Dude the Orioles gave up Rodriguez for 1 year of Ward then gave up a pile of talent for a similar player in Baz. Both moves are awful.
Grayson was most likely traded for off the field issues/reasons, but since you have consistently shown yourself to be poorly informed about Orioles stuff, I’m not surprised you didn’t know that.
That makes it better?
The Orioles are having a terrible offseason for the 2nd year in a row. The window is closing. Fast…..
Lol @ “terrible off-season for second year in a row.”
I always believe the 1 doctor when 9 others say otherwise.~ 🤔😉
No offense KoC, but your hilariously uninformed opinions mean absolutely nothing to me.
Well I would say last years performance by the Orioles kinda proves their offseason last year was bad. We already have proof of that. Now this year they are trading away recent draft picks for what? to swap 2 similar pitchers and the right to pay Ward 10 million?
Not impressed
My answer is health and innings. GRod wasn’t going to pitch over 100 IP this year. He’s not even yet guaranteed to pitch more than 50 IP yet. He was having significant shoulder concerns there too. It might end up being that the Os traded him before he fell off the table in value.
Most of your argument for GRod is based on the assumption that’s he’s going to pitch significant innings in 2026. None of that is assured.
Why assume hes not going to pitch a lot of innings in 2026? You just did that. Why?
The Orioles got very little value for him. They traded him as if he wasnt worth barely anything. Unless he never pitches again they made a bad deal
Because he hasn’t pitched in a year and a half. He’s not going to pitch a full starters workload of innings this year.
Deal might wind up bad. O’s have the best info on Grayson though. We don’t even know what he looks like at the moment.
@king Ward is a very solid player and will prove his value to the Orioles this season.
Hes on ok player making 10 million in his final year of team control. What do you think his surplus value is or was?
What makes Baz better than Rodriguez? I dont see it.
kellin- I was not a huge fan of the Ward trade, but I do expect him to have to have another solid season in 2026.
KoC- Right handed power is in short supply this winter and the Orioles have added the #4 and #6 right handed HR hitters from 2025. That is good, believe it or not.
The Orioles replaced OHearn with Ward. They replaced Rodriguez with Baz.
Did they actually get better? I dont think so
I can’t help but notice you omitted “and they replaced Ryan Mountcastle with Pete Alonso,” KoC. Weird…
And Baz made 31 starts in 2025, compared to Grayson’s 0 starts.
Yeah Alonso is an upgrade. Its nice that they are finally spending money but the team isnt much better.
We’re obviously better than we were at the start of the offseason and we’re obviously not done yet.
That might be true but the team has spent a ton already and if it goes and gets another starter will spend a bunch more. And I dont think these moves get them back to the playoffs
The upgrades we have already made and the upgrades yet to come, plus the team probably not having a completely ridiculous number of injuries right out of the gate again in 2026, should be more than enough to get us back into playoff contention next year.
Whatttttt? Ward is absolutely an upgrade over O’Hearn. Baz, even though risky, at least has been on a mound in a game in the past 18 months.
Plus, add in Helsley, Kittredge, and Alonso, and absolutely the O’s have gotten better. Substantially so.
LOL! K of C. Taylor Ward hit more than twice as many home runs as O’Hearn last season and had 40 more RBI!
Rodriguez is a broken pitcher. No problem at all with that trade.
Giving up Slater de Brun might come back and haunt the O’s for years.
Rodriguez is broken but Baz is worth giving up a giant package of talent?
I dont think so
O’s paid the Rays with their own CompA pick they traded to the O’s and became Slater, lol
You may not think so KoC, but the professional baseball people clearly do.
I’ll trust their judgement over yours on this one lol.
Sorry, but the two injuries with the two pitchers are completely different. Elbow surgery has an incredibly high return to form rate whereas shoulder surgeries are well below 50%. Hopefully Rodriguez proves me wrong, but labrum‘s don’t heal. The odds are against him to return to form.
I do think the O’s gave up too much for Baz, but I’m glad they are being aggressive with this window.
“ t Baz is worth giving up a giant package of talent?”
Not even a top 100 prospect in this package I think the Rays did well though. I’ll bet on Baz being a stud this year. Won’t surprise me if he’s the equivalent of Michael King for the Padres in the Soto deal. A lot of people hated that one too.
KoC: the this offseason needs were 1) a power RH bat to help balance a LH heavy lineup. They got two RH bats who had a combined 74 HRs and 229 RBI. 2) A TOR starter and pitching depth. Okay, they haven’t got that arm yet, but trading for Baz helps that rotation out, and there are still several top arms out there. 3) Closer and bullpen depth. They added Healsley and brought back Kitteredge. They got their closer and yeah, maybe another reliever or two (they just signed Suarez who can go long relief as well). They’re not the Dodgers, but saying this has not been a good offseason for them is nonsense. I don’t think they’re done yet, either.
G Rod is John Means 2.0
Holy crap we could’ve never afforded this. The Rays are busy
4 Prospects for Shane Baz… this feels like a bizarro Dylan Bundy trade.
Five actually. Rays made out like a bandit if even two actually make the bigs.
5 if you include the pick!
Orioles are going all in. Can’t blame them, they are in the same position now that the Blue Jays were in a year ago.
Does this mean they sign Gunnar Henderson for 15 years/$500 million? Probably not that much.
Similar ya but I think then jays still had a roster that is a heck of a lot older with longer track records then what the Os have. That said they could be really good this year and fight for a pennant who knows
I agree, the Os are younger, so they’re probably thinking, “if the Jays can do that after finishing in last, then why not us?”
I’m glad they are not longer only relying on their core like they have been since their window opened.
Idk if acquiring Baz is going all in though. He really hasnt done anything special since coming back from his injury. Potential and upside? Sure, but far from anything other than a 3 or 4 sp right now.
Well, since TB isn’t concerned with intra-divisional trades… I would not be opposed to grabbing Yandy for 1B in Boston.
Rays are loading up on prospects
Rays rebuilding, .. hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide your prospects bc they trading everyone outchea
Are the Rays even going to try to compete?
Rays definitely have to trade Rasmussen too. Trade McClanahan and Pepiot. Trade Yandy.
Rays rebuild is underway.
Boyle, Seymour, Johnson, Rock, Hopkins, Brito and Forret is a solid group. Switch hitting catcher in Bodine is a nice addition. Bodine could be ready in ’27. Isaacs, Williams, Aranda, Melton, J.Lowe and Caminero. Rays could be back sooner than later.
Overn a good prospect too. Cant wait to see what they get for Rasmussen, McClanahan and Yandy. Three more hauls.
Isaacs is coming back from brain surgery. He looks super good, but who knows how he will be as he is recovering. Everyone said Taj Bradley was going to be an ace, and he flopped and we traded him for nothing.
It’s the same old story. They trade established players instead of extending them, get trash heap free agents and rookies to fill the lineup card and pitching staff, hype them up, and a few of them provide, but they mostly don’t live up to the hype, and most Rays fans buy the lie that ownership and gm are trying to compete since they get in the playoffs. How many Bills fans are sick of no titles? How many Guardians fans are tired of waiting? Pirates fans? Twins fans? Baltimore fans? Tigers fans?
Tampa needs to spend and compete and get a ring in the next 5 years or have Manfraud force the new owners to sell.
I’ve been a Rays fan since 1998 when Quinton McCracken and an aging Fred McGriff were trying to help the team not lose 100 games, and I’m damn sick and tired of the club getting a team that has a chance to win a ring and then having the ownership trade the vets and having to start over from scratch. Pay the players and keep them and see if they can at least win 1 ring in the next 10 years and reap the benefits when the stadium is full (hopefully one in Tampa/Orlando area), or risk lifeline fans like myself rooting for other clubs. This isn’t a rebuild, it’s ownership being cheap and not trying. Wise up, Rays fans, and hurt team with your wallet and boycott them by not going to games or spending money on merch. I have been boycotting since 2023, and plan to until I see Caminero extended and ownership going after big name free agents who will help guide this team to a title. Rays up, but ownership needs to be held accountable!
Considering they got 5 players back, I would say yes.
You didn’t ask when they would try to compete.
The starting pitching the Orioles needed to acquire should have pushed Dean Kremer back in the rotation, this elevates Dean Kremer’s spot in the rotation. What is this???
No, Baz is way more talented than mediocre Dean Kremer.
Kremer has some nice splits month to month last season. Baz not so much. Righties had a .450 SLG against Baz. Baz nice heater, but his best pitch is his changeup and he can’t throw it against righties.
He cant get righties out as a RHP with a big heater? That is concerning. Baz should have been moved to the bullpen last season. I think he can excel in a bullpen role.
Do you see where Baz pitched last year? His away stats are much better than the A-ball park he was pitching from at home. Over two points lower in the road.
Surprised they traded Baz and more Surprised they traded him within the division. That said, the Rays have offloaded a lot of pitching in the past year and while developing pitching has been a strength the stock on hand now looks like a weakness
Interesting that Mayo, Bradfield, and Kjerstad aren’t in Marlins uniforms yet…
Go get Edwards O’s
No to moving bradfield! Mayo instead
A young controllable talented arm for sure. I was anticipating a starter to slot in between or ahead of Bradish/Rogers. But that still might be in the cards since we still have some interesting players with trade value. Also might mean we might be interested in signing a pitcher instead. Bradish, Rogers, Wells, Baz and Kremer. A pretty talented group, but ideally you add another ace level guy to push Kremer to swing man role.
They should have hung onto Grayson Rodriguez, and they’d be looking even better.
End up with John Means 2.0
Not going to lie, I love me some John Means though, when healthy the guy was a damn good pitcher, but as we’ve seen for the O’s health is never a guarantee, and availability is a severely underrated ability nowadays. Hope for the best for both Grayson and Means. Especially Means, that dude has had such terrible fortune injury wise, dude definitely deserves better than the hand he’s been dealt.
Damn that’s a nice package. I would’ve thought that might have been enough to get Rasmussen
You get a Ray and you get a Ray, EVERYONE GETS A RAY
I guess the O’s haven’t learned the lesson about trading with Tampa. Forret alone will make this trade a big winner for TB in about 2 years or less.
My guys gave up a little haul. Hope Baz stays healthy and gets back to form.
Just as good last year as any year but his 1st.
Orioles gave up a lot here
Not sure how you can knock this deal from either side. O’s get a young controllable arm with upside and the Rays get 5 young prospects. Now I don’t know how good the Os system is but they Judy gave up their 6th, 10th, just and 30th ranked prospect plus a high draft pick that I think is between the 1st and 2nd round. Might turn out to be a win- win deal.
6th, 10th, 11th, 30th, and the comp pick. Seems like a ton.
The Orioles traded a young controllable arm in Rodriguez for 1 year of barely worth more than his sa
The Orioles traded away Rodrigez for nearly nothing then replaced him with a similar talent while trading away a ton of talent. The Orioles dont know what they are doing.
Agreed, @KOC. Weird off-season. Even their Alonso signing, which I liked. They had tendered Mountcastle and haven’t included Mayo in a deal (yet). So now they have (3) (I know Mounty and Mayo can play other positions terribly) essentially 1B only players on their 26 man roster.
Yeah why sign Alonso and tender Mountcastle a contract then trade away a ton of young talent and not Mayo? I dont get it at all.
I am a Cardinals fan and I did a 3 way trade last night with the Orioles. Cardinals got Mayo and Irish and the Orioles got Rhett Lowder and Pedro Pages. I like that deal better for the Orioles.
The O’s don’t need Pages. Lowder just came off a 9 inning season. This is the exact thing the O’s are not going to rely on.
KOC – no one cares what you put into a trade sim. Literally no one. You know less than every single exec in the sport.
YET, would be the key word in your post!
I think they gave up on G-Rod constantly being hurt. Just like they did with Means. I do hope G-Rod has better luck Health-wise than Means did. That being said, I don’t think I would’ve made that trade either. There were plenty of other guys you coulda moved in place of him.
G Rod is John Means 2.0…. Injuries have. Ruined his career
The O’s don’t need all those prospects. I like the trade for both. I hate the Orioles though so I hope he stinks.
Rays doing the Ray thing. Bodine? freak at the plate; bb/k
AND a competitive balance pick? that just gravy on top
That’s a ton of volume in a trade just for Baz.
GREAT Trade for the RAYS…. They get a Catcher that will be their starter in the MLB maybe as soon as this year… and 3 other solid prospects.
Mchlanahan, will be back this year and gets plugged into the rotation to replace Baz.
@Cooper – There’s no doubt that Bodine is a quality prospect but there is no chance he makes it to the majors this year. He’s only played in A ball so far in his minors career. The jump from A to A+ is hard enough, let alone the jump from A to AA especially for a catcher. He probably needs another 1.5 to 2 years in the minors to truly gauge if he can: 1) make it to the bigs as a catcher and 2) hit well enough against advanced pitching to make it to and stick in the big leagues regardless of defensive position.
What this could do is lead to a path for an Adley trade over the next two years. They already have Basallo up in the majors and if Bodine continues to develop, they would have 3 above average to premium catchers. Agree that it is a great trade for Tampa but pump the brakes a little on Bodine’s trajectory to start in Baltimore so soon.
Dorothy Bodine went from Baltimore to Tampa. So no this does not do what you say at all. If anything this makes retaining Adley for the next 2 more likely. Though I don’t think Bodine was realistically coming up in 2027 anyway.
Bodine has 0 chance to be a big league catcher this season.
I think he’s very safe and will be one in 2028 but absolutely no shot.
My comment was there is a chance…. and with the way Tampa moves players through their system… you never know. Defensively, he could be easily ready… offensively as a switch hitter that is a contact guy… that is a quicker way to the Show.. as he is not a high strikeout guy.
Wow….just wow.
Lowe- Baz- Montgomery & Mangum
I was hoping to see J Lowe and Walls, but this is a bit of a surprise.
Idk if any of these are worth it for Baz. But maybe Baz is in worst shape that we thought.
Baz is fine. He’ll likely be a good #2-3 starter for the Orioles depending on their starters. The Rays’ primary goal was to restock their dreadful farm system that has completely evaporated and flamed out. Even Yoniel Curet was protected last year from rule 5 and they just DFAd him. The whole system is in desperate need to be reshaped.
I love it for both. It’s worth it for the O’s to take a flier on this guy. He’s not hitting FA for another three years (fits their window), and he still has a chance to be 1/2 starter.
Meanwhile, the Rays get a haul of guys that are still a ways out of the majors, but have a ton of promise.
Now I’m thinking Perry Minasian should’ve asked Baltimore to throw in an extra prospect in the Taylor Ward trade.
horrible trade for orioles Forret and Bodine will be quality major leaguers
Jesus christ. Both 2025 1st rounders and a CB-A pick for… a guy whose ERA+ in his most normal season to date was 87. Risky risky risky. Not a fan of the walk rate or slug against either. At least the K% is a smidge above average and the GB% is good. This still seems like a ton to give up for a risky #5.
And yes I know Forrett & Overn are included. Just saying, the two first rounders from last draft + the CBA pick by themselves seem like enough to land more than Baz. Feels like a TB fleece job.
They’re the ones who have been fleeced recently so this is a rare Rays move. Orioles desperate to keep up with the Jays and Yanks and they’re doing win-niw moves. It’s understandable, especially if they don’t want to pay the money.
I don’t think “desperate” is an appropriate word. It’s December. Elias is against a wall, absolutely – but in 23 and (the first half of) 24 the O’s were better than those teams and much of that core remains intact. Rather Elias promised winning and last year was no such thing – and his bosses want winning. Either way, this doesn’t reek of desperation.
Nor do I think, a week after issuing the 2nd largest contract in franchise history, “don’t want to pay the money” is an appropriate word either. There is no indication this precludes further spending. In fact, I’d bet the opposite.
Rays are doing Rays stuff: unloading talent as it gets expensive. The formula hasn’t really worked the last couple years with sub-.500 records. But lots of people still think the Rays must know what they’re doing.
Well, maybe. But if the Rays flounder to a couple more losing seasons, even the true believers might start to lose the faith.
I’ve lost faith since 2020 or so. Thought the new ownership would change, but this is almost worse. Manfraud needs to force them to spend. Get Tampa a ring!! Rays up!
Wow Orioles having a busy offseason. I’m sure losing DeBrun stings a little but a good move overall.
What a stupid trade by Baltimore. Give up all that solid depth, including a Comp pick, for an injury-prone 4th starter? Could’ve just kept Rodriguez.
He’s not injury-prone. He was healthy all last season. His injuries came in his first year in the bigs a few years back. He still has good stuff and bring away from Steinbrenner will be a good move.
G Rod is John Means 2.0. Not worth waiting around for nothing.
O’s got Hose’d
Pésimo cambio por Baltimore
I don’t get the O’s. Have the chance for Cease, pass, too expensive. Have the chance for Crochet, pass, too expensive. Have the chance for Baz, well overpay.
Well, it isn’t money, is it?
It wasn’t money on Cease or Crochet, either. It’s just a shift on how they’re valuing prospects.
Very curious about this trade. What I like about it from the Orioles side is you are betting on a guy who just threw 160 innings to hopefully be a number 4 or 5 with upside. He gave up 20+ homers in a minor league ballpark last year, just taking away those homers makes the numbers look better. Would much rather have done this than acquire Cabrera from the Marlins.
My next thought is we are probably signing the other starter, but I expected Mayo to be in whatever trade for a starter, so does he now get dealt for a deal outside of major league ready talent in order to recoup some of the prospect capital to make this move? This should be very interesting going forward, O’s are far from done making moves imo.
I fully expect a signing of a front line starter now. And, hopefully it’ll be an easier sell than it was before they made these win-now moves.
Interesting about Mayo, I agree. Maybe package him and Kjerstead for some relief pitching? They both seem blocked at this point and both their value have declined since this time last year.
Now I get it why the Rays sent Mangum away.
While skeptics might not think this is a needle mover for the Orioles, Baz is much better than his ERA indicates. His FIP makes him average (which is not bad for a hopefully 4th-5th starter), but his xERA and xFIP indicate something better at 3.85 and 3.88 respectively. His HR/FB rate at home was extremely elevated, which could be explained by pitching in a minor league stadium..
Good Lord, Baltimore paid through the nose.
But, it’s exactly what they needed to do.
Good bleeping job!!
Let’s go O’s!!
Wow, that’s a lot to give up for Baz.
I kind of wish we had been able to do this prior to the Rays declining Fairbanks’ option and had gotten him included in our return.
Good read on Fairbanks angle.
For me, I’m roflmao that the Comp pick we got from Tampa in June for (RP escaping my mind) we used for Slater…and 6 months later trade Slater to the Rays.
It was for Bryan Baker
Another Rays jam. Man, how do they do it? Just amazing. Baz is OK but that’s an effing haul.
To update Tampa Bay’s activity in the two trades:
Rays trade:
RHP Shane Baz
LHP Mason Montgomery
2B Brandon Lowe
OF Jake Mangum
Rays receive:
RHP Anderson Brito
RHP Michael Forret
C Caden Bodine
OF Jacob Melton
OF Austin Overn
OF Slater de Brun
A competitive balance pick from the Orioles
Forret has the potential to sneak into the rotation this year, with a mid-rotation ceiling in the future. That’s a pretty good piece of the exchange for Baz.
But the OFs in the return make me scratch my head. They’re all lefty speedsters who can play CF. Love that profile, but the Rays already have Mullins, Lowe, Simpson, Fraley, and Palacios competing for their OF. They traded Mangum to Pitt, so they lost his switch hitting bat. Now they only have two OFs who can swing from the right side.
I think Shane Baz is going to be a TOR starter. He’s been one of my favorite young arms for awhile.
That being said, TB did well with this return. Forret will wind up being a very useful pitcher. DeBrun has an extremely high ceiling and Bodine is about as safe of a major league catcher as you’ll find for a guy in A ball.
It’s pretty funny: The O’s had a ton of top picks in the ’25 draft (one of them a Comp A pick from the Rays in the June trade of a RP, who’s name is escaping me). With that Comp A pick, we pick Slater…and have now traded him back, along with much of the ’25 draft class.
But…the O’s traded with the Padres (O’Hearn/Laureano) and got all (not really all) of SD’s ’24 draft class.
I guess Mike Elias like SD’s draft better then his own!
(Jokes, of course, just a funny read).
What a haul by the Rays. If pitchers are going for this wow!!!
What is the world did the orioles just do? That’s a whole lot upside to give for an almost 5 era guy
Teams know better than to judge by era. He had sub 4 xERA and xFIP and was very unfortunate to pitch so much in a minor league stadium that yielded a ridiculously unfair homerun per flyball rate.
3 years of a pitcher with a projected ERA around 4 and an injury history isnt that good. Thats not an exciting player.
Man, you whine a LOT. I don’t love this deal but at the end of the day, it’s three years of a 26yo with upside in return for prospects. I’d have preferred a less risky pitcher but to ignore Baz’s potential is pretty silly. You should quit while you’re… erm… behind.
Silly to give all that up for a guy like Baz when they could have just opened the purse strings a little more and gone after Framber or Ranger Suarez or even Imai. Sure, this move makes them a little bit better now at a low financial cost, but all of those guys you’re trading away are how you save money in the future. Orioles not near the CBT and could add pitching.
I mean, I guess I get the move but there are other options out there in order to get a pitcher like Baz or better that would not have cost this much in prospects.
It is expected in birdland that the move for Framber/Ranger/Imai will still happen. O’s needed two pitchers, likely 1 via trade/1 via FA. If the Os actually do bring in that other starter they did a great job.
@frost: If they do bring in a top arm like that, then I will amend my criticisms here. That would make this a solid, all-in move instead of a little head-scratching for the reasons I mentioned.
Not like they are top 100 prospects and also not like they can’t still add another starter. Baz is much better than his ERA indicates and will be a great 4tj starter outside of a minor league stadium.
Maybe they will get ranger or framber
They better not go into the season hoping rogers repeats and hoping for no injuries
Sell the team!!!!!!! Rays fans deserve better!!!!!!
They did sell the team.
Obviously the new regime isn’t trying to retain decent players.
I’m indifferent about losing Lowe as he is streaky as a hitter and often injured, but giving away Mangum and Montgomery in it doesn’t seem smart when they could’ve threw in an older outfielder like Fraley and tried their hands with Mangum and perhaps gotten the same production for more seasons. Montgomery is young and has potential.
Baz needed 1 more full season before we gave up on him, and to trade him to a division rival is stupid when the Pirates, Arizona, and other teams not in the division coveted him.
Makes me wonder who we are going to oust next for peanuts. Rasmussen? Pepiot? Caminero (joking with him, but really, nothing would surprise me).
After getting fleeced with losing Manzardo for Civale, poor returns for Eflin, Paredes, and Arozarena, and I would bet these last 2 trades, the front office needs to take a break on trades for a while, and hire some coaches who can train hitters to hit for a high average (or OBP for the analytical nerds), and train pitchers to locate pitches instead of spin them the fastest. Ownership then needs to spend money on the best of the new crop of youngsters to keep them and supplement them with class A free agents (like Detroit did during their dominance from 2006-2014 or so), and finally give Tampa Bay fans the championship they deserve. If not, I’m all for Manfraud imposing sanctions if they don’t spend and possibly having the team relocated. I’ll give my allegiance to any team in my state that spends money to win.
BTV has it pretty even
Orioles $36
Rays $34
bUt It’S aN oVeRpAy!!1¡1!!1
All that for baz?? Yikes. Youd think that would have gotten them a legit/healthy #2-3 guy
Baz is both healthy and at least a #3 SP now that he won’t be pitching half of his games at minor league bandbox.
Regardless of what you think of this trade, never let it be said, again, that Mike Elias holds on to his prospects too long!
He should consider trading rutschman Henderson etc sooner rather than later imo I don’t think signing them long term is going to happen.
They aren’t trading them because they are pillars of the current window, which we are clearly trying very hard to take advantage of.
Well he will get a lower return for them when he absolutely must move them or settle for a draft pick in exchange for losing a qualify offer player to another team
What a terrible trade O’s wtf
*great trade
FTFY
Awful trade for Baltimore
It sounds like a lot to give up but prospects have no value until they come up and prove themselves. All the prospects traded didn’t really have an opening on the Orioles for playing time anytime soon. Ultimately, it might not be much given up.
If this is their 2nd tier starting acquisition, great. He looks like he could be a good #4, and unlike Grayson, had 31 starts last year.
Still need a #1 guy now (Valdez? Suarez?)
Otherwise, at least an improvement to the 2026 rotation was made!
I like Suarez
Do you like his chronic back problems ?
He’s pitched 150+ innings the last two seasons and 3 out of the last 4
Bodine looks to be a very good batter
Nice move for the Rays
Most importantly, this probably extends the Delmon Young trade tree for another 10 or so years.
Good f0r the O’s. Their prospect-hugging has done them more damage then good. Perhaps they have learned their lesson.
Amen to that.
But Baz was supposed to be part of the Ketel Marte package. I’m guessing those rumors were as serious as when the Rays “offered” Freddie Freeman a contract.
Very disappointing trade for O’s fans like myself.
Why? None of these guys were top 100 prospects. Forret had an insane last season but is expected to end up at the back of a bullpen. De Bron hasn’t even suited up yet. The pick came from Tampa originally for Bryan Baker. The other two guys are throw ins. Its a bunch of lottery picks that are years away from helping. The Orioles are actually competing now, this should make you happy. If they sign a real top of rotation pitcher then the rotation will be one of the best in baseball.
Framber Valdez
Trevor Rogers
Kyle Bradish
Shane Baz
Dean Kremer
That is a really good rotation. The lineup added Polar Bear and Tyler Ward. This is a great time to be an Orioles fan!
It’s a bad trade because Baz isn’t that good, not the pitcher needed to make the playoffs imo, plus you counting eggs that haven’t hatched with Valdez being acquired and bradish being healthy
Have you regularly watched Baz pitch? I cant say I watched every start but against the Orioles he dominated. The other starts I’ve seen of him against other teams have been good.
I like that he averaged close to 6 innings a start. Last season was his first full season basically. I expect the Orioles are getting his best years now. I am jumping the gun a little on Valdez but I do expect a big pitcher signing still
He pitched against the orioles in one game in 2025 with 4 IP. He averaged 5.36 innings per start which is pretty good now a days I reckon. Hopefully he will turn out to be just as good as Trevor Rogers in 2025. Seems like the Os gave up quite a bit for him so their FO must be expecting stellar performance from Baz.
Career he has .56 era against the Orioles in 3 starts. Your points are fair enough and I appreciate the reasonable discussion. Merry Christmas to you and yours! Go Os!
Considering that only 2.8% of minor league players become league average ball players, this isn’t a bad deal. Statistically, .14 of these players will reach league average. They’re called prospects for a reason.
Your analysis is obviously flawed, you are combining top prospects odds with all prospects.
That’s a lot of prospects for a back end /depth piece starter
Good thing Shane Baz isn’t a “back end/depth piece” then 😉
I was somewhat hoping the Astros would get Baz, but not at that ridiculous price.
Holllyyyyy W for Rays.
A Tampa. Multiple good late 1st round picks and another one coming. Quality quantity. Love it.
D Baltimore. Massive prospect cost to save $.
None of this was to save money
If $ wasn’t a consideration you would sign a free agent and keep your prospects. As good and better pitchers were in this free agent class.
Nope. Foolish comment. Signings are a two-way street – and there’s not many capable starters on the market via FA right now. You cannot rely solely on FA to augment a rotation. You’re bidding against 29 other teams with the same currency. In a trade you get younger players and have unique capital to make the move happen – and the players don’t have a choice.
This doesn’t preclude additional FA pitching additions, either.
Remarkable that anyone has to explain this to you.
Your jumping the gun here, they haven’t signed a SP yet, it remains to be seen if it’s a save money move.
Honestly, they’re basically back to having Grayson in the rotation. Which means they still need 2 more SP…which is where they began the off-season.
I think they do sign a top SP and get another trade. We’ll see when the dust settles.
Nope nope. If $ wasn’t a factor you would just sign free agents and Baz wouldn’t have cost nearly as much in prospects.
We’re obviously not done adding.
Why do the Orioles always have so many comp picks?
Trades. And because of competitive balance…
For the same reason NYY, NYM, LAD, BOS, CHC, LAA don’t ever have them: $$$$
Thanks for the “Competitive Balance” big markets!!!
Ironically this one came from Tampa in the Bryan Baker trade.
i think that is a new one- and the one from the Baker trade turned into i think De Brun (maybe Codine, both were picks in that range)
Just sayin’: 😏
“The Rays also add a notable draft pick. Baltimore won the fifth pick in Competitive Balance Round A during this month’s lottery. The exact draft order isn’t set yet — draft compensation surrounding free agents who rejected qualifying offers could still impact it — but in 2025 that was the No. 37 overall selection. Coincidentally, that’s the very pick that the Rays traded to the O’s in exchange for reliever Bryan Baker. Baltimore used that pick to select de Brun. It now trades de Brun back to Tampa Bay alongside what could very well end up being the No. 37 pick in the subsequent season’s draft.”
If the O’s hoard their prospects, they get slammed by the armchair GMs.
If they trade them for an established starter, they get slammed for giving too much.
If they pay a FA a lot of money to come play in Baltimore, they’re slammed for overpaying for Alonso.
If they allow other teams to over pay, they’re slammed for being cheap.
I don’t know how Baz will work out but I appreciate that they’re certainly doing different things this off season. And as we learned maybe with Colby Mayo, a prospect is just the hope of something good. There is no guarantee that they’re past performance will immediately result in major league WAR.
I don’t like losing Forret but otherwise am fine with the cost of getting Baz.
Let’s see how this works out. Another starter and a bullpen piece could really impact the strength of this off season towards a better outcome than the forgettable 2025 season. Rubenstein should go sell the Magna Carta and go sign Fromber or Ranger.
100% agree. O’s can do nothing right in anyone’s eyes.
The poor Orioles. So sad. So abused. 🤣 The different things they’re doing this off-season: (1) making an effort (2) not being tight wads. Of course, it remains to be seen if the Alonso signing was an outlier or a new way of doing business.
Stupid comment. They absolutely have tried – the past three years. Just not with success last year. The spending? This is only the 2nd offseason under new ownership.
So let’s review. They spend, they get criticized. They don’t, they get criticized. They trade, they get criticized. They don’t, they get criticized.
Whiners man. Whiners.
Strongly agree, minus the “sign Valdez/Suarez” part. I don’t want either of those guys on the contracts they will get.
I’d rather sign Imai or trade for Peralta or Alcantara.
@King
for the record, I agree with you on Imai, (and while I shouldn’t just accept as fact that he’s going to sign somewhere else.) I’m extremely happy to be wrong on that because he’s really my first choice. I love his youth and the fact that there’s still a lot to unlock in his talent — with the price of starting pitching increasing so much year after year, let’s go ahead and freeze inflation with a young arm rather than get into a bidding war every year for a one-year rental. that’s much of the reason why I know that Skubal would be great for the rotation but but not the best for our particular organization. I think people have missed the 3 yrs of control of Baz at his age as they are whining about what Baltimore gave up.
Considering one 2.8% of MiLB players reach league average in the MLB, I agree it’s not the worst deal around. Statistically only .14 of these players will reach league average
Baz has faced the O’s three times, all in Baltimore. Over 16 innings he allowed 4 hits and one run!
As an O’s fan, my initial feeling is I like it but conditionally. Long-term its easy to believe the Rays won the deal. Can see these guys the Rays get as productive everyday regulars. But I am fine with an overpay to try to improve the team now. I had hoped the Os would draft Baz years ago. And he has had a high ceiling and I think its easy to imagine he could reach it again. He could be similar to Rogers where it just flips. The talent is there.
The rotation definitely needs to be more than this as Bryan Ferry would say. I like Baz as a guy who slots in at 4 or 5 and is one of the better guys in that role, maybe next year moving to 2 or 3. It cant be a rotation where he or someone else does not displace Dean. Then it feels more like last year’s this could be enough rotation. With the Yankees and Blue Jays rotations and spending, it needs to be more wow to seriously compete. If that isnt the goal keep all those guys you traded.
I like Mayo but I like the Alonso move and then that just does not give him a home unless its with Westburg at 3rd and the guy not playing is at DH, which gets complicated with Basallo/Adley. So think Mayo has to be a trade chip. Would not have wanted to include him for Baz. Maybe Ryan. Maybe Gore. Maybe too much to pay for Peralta but maybe again, its about win now and you pay. Maybe with a 72-hour window to extend.
But for this year FA signing or trade for SP1 and maybe SP2, Rogers, Bradish, Baz. Dean and Cade can be trade chips. Maybe them with cash and something else appeals to Milwaukee as part of a Peralta deal. Wells I can see at 5 but would want depth in case of injury. Or he could be in relief this year and slot in when Rogers leaves.
I find it hard to believe Mayo has much stock left.
He was a top 10 prospect who has only had 300 ABs at the major league level and was outstanding the last time he played (September, Last 15 days). Think he should have a ton of stock. Just no position to play for the Os.
Clearly an upgrade for the O’s in the near term, which given their current roster is all the O’s fans should care about. Check out Keith Law’s article in the Athletic, which should make O’s fans super happy. But here is the big picture: per Fangraphs 4 of the top 9 MLB teams in projected 2026 WAR are in the AL East. And ALL FOUR are projected to do significant adds in the remaining off season. That division is going to be insanely competitive in 2026. So O’s fans you still need to add Framber to be truly in the hunt.
The Delmon Young trade tree has life! It lives! Yes!
Rays are a sad Franchise. MLB needs to dissolve about 4 teams.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that Shane Baz is the best pitcher that haul could buy. Did they even hit anyone else up?
This trade plus a gallen signing cant help the fact that their young position players maybe aren’t as talented as everyone had hoped considering they played as one of the worst teams in baseball throughout the majority of last season.
We were over .500 from when we fired Brandon Hyde in mid May through the end of the season and that was despite trading a bunch of guys away at the deadline.
Here it comes. 4.50 era next year bayyyybaayyy
The rays get about 60 million in revenue sharing, does it seem right they can only carry a payroll of under 80 milion while their 2024 profit was 68 million?
Baltimore overpaid but reasonable risk. They could get a similar haul back if they ever traded an establish mlb pitcher or hitter. A win now mindset is apparent for the orioles
they got Codine who is a floor guy at a postion that the Os have since signed their all world prospect at the same postion to a long term deal. De Brun is the prospect they literally got for Bryan Baker last year (or what the pick turned into). The real losses to me is the comp balance pick (likely in the late 30ies), and Forrett (a back of the top 100 type SP prospect).
But you need to give something up to get years of control back.
Shane Baz has really good stuff and his 2025 stats were a little bit misleading in that he made half his starts in a minor league bandbox. According to Steve’s article all of the prospects received have notable flaws in their game and are years away from being MLB ready. Time will tell but looks like a good deal for Baltimore to me. The Rays are trading on a reputation developed years ago and most of the guys who made the deals upon which the reputation rests have left the organization. To me they look more like bottom dwellers than contenders nowadays.
Great trade for the Rays…who’d they get? Who’d they give up?
It appears Rays got multiple first round picks from orioles for Shane Baz .
Now sign Suarez and bring back Eflin for depth and the O’s are all set and maybe only $10 million about last year’s payroll
I think if you look at Baz’s away split from last year, 3.86, and his 3.06 ERA from the prior year its very encouraging and makes me see him as a valuable player worth paying a decent price for. Its kind of silly to put too much stock in last year’s home stats that were in a non-MLB ballpark which wont be his home this year. Similar to Severino with the Athletics last year. Think he could be great somewhere else.
Then Baz has added value in being under control for 3 years at a reasonable price when a guy with similar stats (excluding home from last yr) might command 5 to 7 years for 125 to 200 million. Cease had a bad year with ERA and got 7 years 210 million. Its less about last year and just about potential. I like Baz’s potential a lot.
The continued ripples of the 2018 Chris Archer trade.
The Orioles seem determined to contend again. I love it.
Adding Baz pushes the O’s past the Red Sox in projected 2026 fWAR. More good news for O’s fans: sign Framber and the Birds will pull at least even with, maybe ahead of, the Yanks and Jays in projected 2026 fWAR. Now the bad news: Yanks, Jays, and Sox are far from done in building their 2026 rosters. Huge arms race underway that should make the AL East an absolute beast in 2026.
Agree there is a lot of potential adding left to do. But trying and getting it done can be two different things. As is I think TOR is strong. But adding Tucker could give them a Dodgers feel. But the Dodgers didn’t win the 1 seed so nobody will fold if a team in their division has a nice roster.
NY I think is interesting because I have heard they want to add to the rotation but would think by May or June at the latest the rotation is incredible with guys returning. But that lineup feels very vulnerable. Capable of winning 93 but in the playoffs the high Ks low average roster can struggle against elite pitching. Hear they are shopping Chisholm and the speculation is they trade him to sign Bichette. Think that is the kind of move they need. But if they get none of Bichette Bellinger Tucker and no significant trades think that is a problem and that lineup is an Achilles heel.
Os I think the rotation was a problem and this helps. Lineup was a problem with too many young guys taking steps back or not delivering enough or struggling to stay healthy. Alonso just feels like the most ideal solution for their problem. If they add a Suarez think they look like a team with a good shot to win the division even if not the favorite.
This trade baffles me. I understand the Orioles side. Replace Grayson with the next best thing, quite literally.
And the Rays certainly seemingly got a nice haul for Baz, but why trade away a guy who was touted so high so early in his career that is still under team control?
Here is where everything has to be broken down with Baz’ injury history taking front and center over everything else.
When taking into account how long Baz was out vs his ceiling and potential due to injuries and surgeries, The Rays not only win this trade but its thievery to such a high degree that the entire front office should be brought up on charges.
However, if Baz performs like a solid number 4 starter, which is almost certain, and gives you a minimum of 20 starts a year, the trade is an equal risk/reward for both clubs.
If Baz keeps pushing that ceiling higher- like to the point it was at before his injuries, well folks… it’ll be a good time to be an Orioles fan because Baz has number 2 stuff and he can pitch like a number 1 starter for stretches of a time.
Even if I’m overreaching with Number 2 to Number 1. If I’m off by one number, and he can pitch like a number 3 that streaks into a number 2 for parts of a season, guys… fans… you’re gonna love this trade.
Of course if just one of the nice prospects that we got for him breaks out – the Rays did well, if 2 break out, well hot to the damn.