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Red Sox Receive Chris Carpenter, PTBNL From Cubs For Epstein, PTBNL

By Tim Dierkes | February 21, 2012 at 10:33am CDT

The Red Sox received 26-year-old righty reliever Chris Carpenter and a player to be named later from the Cubs as compensation for Theo Epstein and a player to be named later, announced the teams today.  The Cubs hired Epstein as their president of baseball operations in October, despite one year remaining on his contract as Boston's GM.  Nearly four months after that announcement, Epstein and new Cubs GM Jed Hoyer reached a compensation agreement with former colleague and new Red Sox GM Ben Cherington.  Epstein said in a statement:

"I am relieved that this process is over and particularly pleased that the teams were able to reach agreement on their own without intervention from MLB.  I truly hope and believe that this resolution will benefit both clubs, as well as Chris, who is an extremely talented reliever joining a great organization at a time when there's some opportunity in the major league bullpen.  More than anything, I'm excited that we can all move forward and focus exclusively on getting ready for the season.  I wish Chris and the Red Sox nothing but the best in 2012 and beyond."

Carpenter, who made his big league debut with the Cubs last year, was recently ranked 13th on their prospect list by Baseball America.  The Cubs converted Carpenter to relief late in 2010, and he averaged 96.5 miles per hour on his fastball in the Majors last year.  His command and control are works in progress, but Baseball America thinks he could develop into a setup man.  The Red Sox placed Bobby Jenks on the 60-day DL to create a 40-man roster spot for Carpenter.

The inclusion of two players to be named later means this saga has not quite reached its conclusion, but an April 15th deadline is already in place and Cherington expects resolution by the end of spring training.  The Cubs also owe compensation to the Padres for Hoyer, which Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune notes will get done very soon and will not involve anyone on the team's 40-man roster.

WEEI's Alex Speier first reported the Red Sox would receive a pitcher from the Cubs' 40-man roster.

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  1. Ben Wenger

    11 years ago

    As a Cubs fan, that seems like a fair price to pay.

    Reply
    • Houston_Astros

      11 years ago

      No it isn’t.  It doesn’t really matter, though.  Congratulations on a great executive at a ridiculously cheap price.

      Reply
      • ophaq2

        11 years ago

        Can’t disagree.  If the Sox would have held Theo and said they wanted something more significant, the Cubs would have paid it.  But they let him walk before the deal was done and that is their mistake.

        Reply
        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           Getting a 25% off coupon at the Cubs team store would have been more than enough for Theo. I love this notion that the Red Sox were really upset that he left. Theo hasn’t been a good GM in about 8 years, and the Cubs taking him off our hands a year early was the greatest compensation of all.

        • Houston_Astros

          11 years ago

          Wow. That’s a strange thought. Lol.

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           Anyone paying attention in Boston the past several years knows I’m right. 😛

        • Neil Tatro

          11 years ago

          u mad??

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           Oh dang did I stumble onto reddit?

        • vtadave

          11 years ago

          I’d take 2 titles in 8 years.

          – Pirates and Royals fans

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           2004 was all Theo. I graciously give him genius status before the 2004-2005 offseason.

          2007 was in spite of him though.

        • Karl

          11 years ago

          Right.  So Ellsbury, Papelbon, Masterson, Pedroia, Lowrie have all been awful draft picks.  And the quality of those shipped off to net V Mart, A Gon, and Beckett were garbage, too, right?  He most definitely should have seen Carl Crawford’s uncharacteristic and unpredictable aberration of a season, right?  You pointing to Dice-K?  Got it.  Missed.  Seems like you’re not paying attention to how you’ve gotten the foundation for the majority of your wins.  They’ve been the picks of your ex-gm, or they’ve come via trade because he’s drafted well enough to warrant a swap of theirs for yours.  Keep complaining, brosef.  Sounds more like you’re embittered than factually sound.

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

          Draft picks? You can’t judge a GM on his draft picks. That’s a huge organizational process. You judge a GM on his trades and FA signings. So let’s address your points:

          V Mart: He played well in a season and a half with few ultimate results. He now “plays” (though not this season) for the Tigers while Masterson, who we traded for him, pitched 216 innings of 3.68 SIERA ball for the Indians last season, who have him through the next three seasons.

          A Gon: Jed Hoyer was drooling over Rizzo and Kelly. This would’ve gotten done with even OWNERSHIP at the helm.

          Beckett: The trade that sent 2007 ALCS MVP Josh Beckett and 2007 World Series MVP Mike Lowell to Boston was engineered by ownership and Ben Cherington during Theo Epstein’s little hissy fit hiatus from the Red Sox. Who knows if Theo could’ve pulled that off.

          Carl Crawford: Who on earth gives $142 million to a player who’s never had over 20 home runs and whose steals are ready to steadily decline?  Crawford had ONE season with an OPS over 120 in his career, and it was his contract year.

          Let’s look at Dice-K, the failure to extend Orlando Cabrera and instead sign Edgar Renteria, the miserable trade for Eric Gagne (that David Murphy kid sure is playing well for Texas! Say, couldn’t we use a corner outfielder?), the trade of Bronso Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena, the signing of Julio Lugo, and the contract Theo gave to JD Drew?

          EDIT: How did I forget JOHN LACKEY??? A.k.a. the reason we couldn’t make budget space to add a starting pitcher this offseason.

          All that happened since 2004. Theo made some brilliant moves to set up the 2004 World Series, but after that there was very little that has me signing the praises of Theo.

        • Leonard Washington

          11 years ago

          In hindsight your right about Julio,Edgar, Gagne, and Wily Mo, and Masterson Thats about it though. So first off GM’s are a huge part of making picks/drafting/farm, so he is entitled to as much credit as anyone. Secondly CC is is one year in and has hit double digit homeruns. In fact he hit double digit last year in a down season. He bounces back all is well. Three Drew pretty much earned his deal. It wasn’t pretty but he played well enough. Fourth Beltre was a huge steal that season for us, and as much as Victor was a temporary part of the team he was good while he was here so the trade was not bad it was just short term versus long term. He was what we needed at the time. Theo has overseen the saving of a ton of money in locking up Buc, Lester, Pedroia, Youk, and Ortiz through their prime years. He has also made good trades beyond 04 for example acquiring Ramon Ramirez/Jason Bay & Adrian (Which we have unquestionably won). Add two titles that he brought to fruition 04 (Almost an entire starting roster assembly minus trot, Lowe, Manny,Pedro) and 07 with Dice-K (Who believe it or not helped alot), Jacoby, and Pedroia.

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           Theo wasted any money he saved by extending the young players. Over 26 million dollars are committed to John Lackey and Dice-K this season, who both will miss the entire season. That 26 million could’ve bought a front-line starter and a big bat that could’ve made the Red Sox the uncontested favorites for this season.

          (Also, I made a minor typo about Crawford that I fixed: I meant he had never hit 20+ homers in a season. Sorry about that.)

        • Leonard Washington

          11 years ago

          Lackey pitched well his first season, then played last season with nagging injuries that turned out to be serious. Dice-K will be back at the break. You take Dice-K away we might not have won the 07 WS. So SP this year without a 07 title or wait a season. I’ll wait the season with what is still an incredibly good team. 

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

          You have a curious definition of “pitched well.” Lackey’s ERA in 2010 was his worsrt since 2004 and his WHIP was his worst in his career (numbers that SEEM amazing in comparison to his 2011 stats.

          His K numbers have been below his career norms with Boston and went down more last season. We’re paying him like a #2 and he’s pitching like a passable number 4 at his BEST. Last season he was one of the worst pitchers who qualified and also his off-the-field issues didn’t exactly endear him.

        • Leonard Washington

          11 years ago

          And no there is no way he wasted all that money. At the time Ortiz was due for his first big deal he could have asked for  like 100M and probably got it. Pedroia is another one that if left to normal control would easily go 100M plus once he hit FA. Ditto Lester. And Ditto Youk. So I don’t think 185M eats up what is probably 300M in savings. 

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           He wasted it on people like Lackey, Crawford, and Dice-K. That’s like buying a cost-efficient automobile just to spend the savings from gas money on bricks to weigh down the trunk.

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           He wasted it on people like Lackey, Crawford, and Dice-K. That’s like buying a cost-efficient automobile just to spend the savings from gas money on bricks to weigh down the trunk.

        • Nick Herrin

          11 years ago

          No I completely agree. Carl Crawford has never had double digit home run numbers.
          Except in 2004 when he had 11.
           Or in 2005 when he had 15.
           
          Or in 2006 when he had 18.

           Or in 2007 when he had 11.

           Or in 2009 when he had 15.

          Or in 2010 when he had 19.

          Or this year with the Red Sox when he had 11.

          Im not defending the decision, at the time they were still overpaying him. But Crawford was going to get a huge contract from someone. In fact, what long term contract DOES look good?

          Red Sox fans are complaining that their team has been inactive this offseason, but long term deals for big free agents rarely pan out.

          The only teams that can afford them are big markets like Boston, so you cant blame Theo for taking a risk. Small market teams like St. Louis and Tampa Bay win by locking up players while they are young (Pujols’ first extension, Evan Longoria,) and then let them walk when they hit free agency. The Red Sox do not have to develop as many players and take risks on extensions because they can pay hefty prices for FA’s. It’s that simple.

        • Leonard Washington

          11 years ago

          We developed lots of players in spite of the neeed actually. Paps, Lester, Youk, Pedroia, Bard, Ells, Buc. And we got Lester, Youk, Pedroia, and Buc super discounted through their prime years. But I do agree about the free agency part. Anyone dabbling in that market will eventually get bit signing people to huge contracts. The very nature of tha market is that your typically signing a great player already progressed into his prime or past it for big years/dollars. Its like a casino. Best you can hope for is that it mostly pays off. 

        • Leonard Washington

          11 years ago

          We developed lots of players in spite of the neeed actually. Paps, Lester, Youk, Pedroia, Bard, Ells, Buc. And we got Lester, Youk, Pedroia, and Buc super discounted through their prime years. But I do agree about the free agency part. Anyone dabbling in that market will eventually get bit signing people to huge contracts. The very nature of tha market is that your typically signing a great player already progressed into his prime or past it for big years/dollars. Its like a casino. Best you can hope for is that it mostly pays off. 

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           That was a typo on my part about Crawford. I meant he had never had 20+ homers.

          I would much rather have seen the Sox add Matt Holliday instead of Lackey and then at least they would have been overpaying for someone with more sustainable talent. As soon as Crawford’s legs give out, he’ll be totally worthless, so the loss of the 2011 campaign is a HUGE hit. Should’ve let the Angels have him instead of taking the bait the Yankees laid out.

        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           That was a typo on my part about Crawford. I meant he had never had 20+ homers.

          I would much rather have seen the Sox add Matt Holliday instead of Lackey and then at least they would have been overpaying for someone with more sustainable talent. As soon as Crawford’s legs give out, he’ll be totally worthless, so the loss of the 2011 campaign is a HUGE hit. Should’ve let the Angels have him instead of taking the bait the Yankees laid out.

        • Karl

          11 years ago

          Agreed.  I’m pretty sure that KarKat is simply upset that Theo didn’t draft as wisely as Friedman and missed on a couple free agents.  It is the Rays that keep stealing the Red Sox’s post season thunder, right?  That said, I’m not going to try to thumb my nose at Ellsbury, Pedroia, Bucholz, et al.  It is the GM who hires his staff, right? To help him evaluate talent…? 

        • Leonard Washington

          11 years ago

          Theo takes part in the evaluation process/drafting/everything.He even flies down to certain hard to sign players houses to talk them into it. And given the fact that winning teams typically get bottom of the barrell picks his draft history is amazing. And we still have a great farm with tons of quality guys in the low minors and three in the top 100 overall. 

        • Karl

          11 years ago

          That resonates with my thinking.  Irrespective to his free agency efficiency, he’s built a solid foundation, which is something the Cubs sorely need.  Routingback to the initial point, as a BoSox fan, I’d be gratefulthat there was some kind of significant compensation. The man was the brains behind the operation.  You don’t let him walk for free.

        • PWNdroia

          11 years ago

           I couldn’t agree more, though I was hoping we got something more impressive.

      • Clark_N_Addison

        11 years ago

        So what are the Astros going to send to St. Louis as compensation for hiring Luhnow?

        Reply
        • David Jackson

          11 years ago

          as if there’s something they’d want?

        • Rangersfan32

          11 years ago

          They want the Astros to lose every game to them the next two years. Although its not reported because the Astros were well on their way to making that happen anyways.

        • johnsmith4

          11 years ago

          It will be tough for Bud Selig to figure this one out.  St. Louis already has Chris Carpenter.

      • cubs223425

        11 years ago

        Well, it’s unfair that they had to give up a good player when it wasn’t a lateral move. He was offered a promotion, so I think it was totally reasonable that a PTBNL was enough on its own.

        With Hoyer, at least his makes sense because he didn’t get a promotion.

        Reply
        • Matt

          11 years ago

          Not a lateral move? LOL The Cubs are the only team in baseball with the position that Theo filled. They basically made that position up. It really wasn’t that much of a promotion. If it wa then why had Theo been the one announcing deals this offseason and not Hoyer?

        • supercapo

          11 years ago

           The Cubs are the only team in baseball that has a position called President of Baseball Operations? Isn’t that Lucchino’s position in Boston?

        • supercapo

          11 years ago

          In spite of the people the Cub’s front office have hired this off-season, they still have one of the smallest front offices in baseball. So I don’t see how they are creating positions to steal other team’s executives.

      • PWNdroia

        11 years ago

         Or a mediocre executive at a cheap price.

        Reply
  2. CyYoungSuppan

    11 years ago

    Dangit!  I wanted to make that comment, Jaysfan!

    Reply
  3. notsureifsrs

    11 years ago

    PTBNL is garza

    – WEEI

    Reply
    • MonsterPike

      11 years ago

      Ha ha… Now we gotta speculate all season on who the PTBNL is going to be…  

      Reply
    • Karkat

      11 years ago

       I excpect both PTBNLs to be Chris Carpenter. Just make him bounce back and forth and have everything be even.

      Reply
    • flickadave

      11 years ago

      And Jon Heyman is reporting that the PTBNL going from Boston to the Cubs is Lackey…

      Reply
  4. Manfrenjensen

    11 years ago

    Both Carpenter and the PTBNL should be considered a bonus — the real compensation for the Red Sox was the Yankees’ hiring of Jim Hendry.

    Reply
  5. Travis White

    11 years ago

    As a Cardinals fan, the moment of immediate fear and confusion reading this headline brings is monumental.

    Reply
    • Jonny Dollar

      11 years ago

       Nice!

      Reply
  6. RahZid

    11 years ago

    About time!  I’m curious about what opportunity in the bullpen Theo’s talking about though, if anything there are already too many pitchers fighting for bullpen roles with Miller, Bowden, and Doubront out of options.

    Reply
  7. MonsterPike

    11 years ago

    And a PTBNL???  Why?  Carpenter is absolutely too much… 

    Reply
    • Fangaffes

      11 years ago

      PTBNLs are generally chosen from a small pool.  One team’s pool will have better prospects than the other, in order to even the trade up.

      Reply
      • MonsterPike

        11 years ago

         Well I understand that… but initially it looked as though only the Red Sox were getting the PTBNL, thus my initial reaction to Carpenter & another for Epstein, but now I see the Cubs are getting one back as well.

        Reply
      • MonsterPike

        11 years ago

         Well I understand that… but initially it looked as though only the Red Sox were getting the PTBNL, thus my initial reaction to Carpenter & another for Epstein, but now I see the Cubs are getting one back as well.

        Reply
  8. jed_hoyer

    11 years ago

     the red sox think they got the other chris carpenter

    Reply
  9. RahZid

    11 years ago

    Anyone know how many options he has left?

    Reply
  10. Bo Shi

    11 years ago

    Fair. Carpenter has a big fastball that will give him a good shot at being a solid set-up man in the near future. Curious about the PTBNL though…I think Carpenter is enough, personally.

    Reply
  11. philpbarnes

    11 years ago

    All that waiting for a 25 year old who stunk at AAA last year?

    Yay. 

    😉

    Reply
    • Philip Marlowe

      11 years ago

      I saw Carpenter’s appearances with the big league club last year, and while he looks a little rough around the edges, I do think he’ll mature into a pretty solid 8th-inning guy. I’m disappointed to have lost him. Why couldn’t you guys take Scott Maine instead?

      Reply
  12. ophaq2

    11 years ago

    Fair price.  Not an overpay like I was afraid of and if Carpenter ever makes it to the Major league level, it wouldn’t be expected he’d be some sort of difference maker.  

    Reply
  13. Adil

    11 years ago

    its a nothing compensation, MLB didnt want to set a standard for outlandish comp. On the other hand by doing so it would have prevented poaching.

    Reply
  14. EarlyMorningBoxscore

    11 years ago

    Chances he makes the bullpen out of spring training? 

    Reply
    • Daniel Han

      11 years ago

       100%

      Reply
  15. Jesse

    11 years ago

    Can the ptbnl be Steve bartman?

    Reply
  16. johnsilver

    11 years ago

    They still got almost nothing. hope Lucchino learned his lesson from Rickets: his word = *0* as good compensation, when the GM/president would just break it anyway.

    Edit:

    Looks like an Alex Wilson type who has already failed at being a SP.

    Reply
    • Karkat

      11 years ago

       I still say it was a steal for the Sox. Can you imagine the awful deals Theo would’ve made so far if he were still with the Sox?

      Reply
      • notsureifsrs

        11 years ago

        david dejesus >> cody ross

        Reply
        • Karkat

          11 years ago

           Agreed, but I’m not convinced Theo would’ve gotten him for the Sox.

  17. CaptainPlanet54

    11 years ago

    Pretty sure Cubs will be getting a PTBNL as well.

    Reply
  18. kevinfoley46

    11 years ago

    Going off of the previous reports that the comissioners office wanted to give the Red Sox a lot to keep executives from moving teams…..i don’t think this is going to have that effect.

    Reply
    • rjs

      11 years ago

      At all times, try to remember the name of this website.

      Reply
  19. Tko11

    11 years ago

    So we wait this long to see what the compensation is and they give up Carpenter AND a player to be named later AGAIN? I wonder how long this will take.

    Reply
  20. slashieboy .

    11 years ago

    Not sure they would have liked the other Carpenter either, move him to the AL East with his salaray plus the lux tax and thats not a good deal at all.

    Reply
  21. chris_synan1

    11 years ago

    wonderful……a 26 year old who can’t make the MLB

    Reply
    • Chris

      11 years ago

      Well he has pitched in the majors and did pretty well besides his bad control. He should be a good 7th inning possibly set-up man if he gets that fixed. So know your facts before you start talking. Also, he can 100 on a fastball really good lively arm.

      Reply
      • johnsilver

        11 years ago

        I think what the poster meant was boston has plenty of RH options already:

        Bailey
        Malencon
        Aceves

        And out of option guys like:
        Matt Albers
        Michael Bowden

        And even considering Daniel Bard headed to the rotation the RH corps was very strong.

        They *might* have been able to use a provenlefty, but have 3 of them out of options in:

        Andrew Miller
        Franklin Morales
        Felix Doubrant

        The BP was going to be a strength heading into ST, even with jenks on the 60 day DL

        Reply
        • Cubs27

          11 years ago

          Even so, I would rather plug Carpenter in the bullpen over Aceves, Albers, and Bowden, experience or no experience.

        • Matt

          11 years ago

          Over Aceves? Are you serious?

        • bglaszcz

          11 years ago

          He’s Serious…

  22. Karkat

    11 years ago

    I almost died before I was able to finish this headline and then my heart started operating normally again.

    Reply
  23. redsx968

    11 years ago

    And the compensation is…. this dude. and someone to be named later. I thought this was going to be officially over. Total steal for the Cubbies, but I feel like GM compensation is weird. A good prospect who can physically help a team win has a totally different value than a GM. Both are valuable, but in different ways, and to be honest I wasn’t expecting much from the Cubs. Maybe Theo can make them relevant again. Breaking 2 curses would be pretty wild.

    Reply
    • PWNdroia

      11 years ago

       I will have a smile on my face when Theo doesn’t help the Cubs win.  Sure, I like the Cubs and I hope they win, but not with Theo.

      Reply
  24. 123Redsox

    11 years ago

     Dan Mazzaro did lol

    Reply
  25. baseball52

    11 years ago

    Woo! It’s kinda-sorta over!

    Reply
  26. Greg Passot

    11 years ago

    He’s a better pitcher than many are speculating.  Sure, he’s not a huge difference maker and he’s a little old to be a “prospect” but, he has a lively arm.. if his control gets in check he should be able to make the pen out of ST or shortly after with proper coaching..

    Reply
  27. levendis

    11 years ago

    I read Red Sox receive Chris Carpenter and had a heart attack. Took me a few seconds to realize its a different player lmaooo

    Reply
  28. chris_synan1

    11 years ago

    Carpenter is descent, the sox scouted him with a 95 mph fastball in the Arizona fall league

    Reply
  29. Bobby A

    11 years ago

    They should send Casey Coleman, too. That guy stinks.

    Reply
    • Daniel Han

      11 years ago

       if they could they would

      Reply
    • imachainsaw

      11 years ago

      I disagree, I think Casey Coleman has real potential to be a great #4 or good #3 MLB SP. His stuff isn’t overpowering, but he has good enough downward movement on his pitches that if he can achieve better control, he can be a very effective pitcher. It seems like a big IF, but he had pretty nice control in the minors, and his stint at AAA last season was actually very good considering how offensive based the PCL was last year.

      Reply
  30. Michael Yu

    11 years ago

    I thought Theo Epstein was being traded to the Red Sox.

    It doesn’t work that way, right?

    Reply
  31. start_wearing_purple

    11 years ago

    Anyone else think that adding in a PTBNL is just to add a twist to the joke?

    Reply
  32. NorthSideIrish

    11 years ago

    Carpenter has a power arm and should turn into a nice bullpen piece. Most likely an 8th inning guy, but if he developed his command, he could be a closer. Maybe not for the Red Sox, but for a second division team. Like an early model Kyle Farnsworth.

    Reply
  33. Shane Heathers

    11 years ago

    Mitch williams says if you have upper 90s stuff you do not need command or control to pitch out of a big league bullpen, BUT; YOU WILL NEED A WICKED MULLET! Grow your hair out (neckside not forehead) Carp and let it all hang out!

    Reply
    • Paul Shailor

      11 years ago

      Mitch Williams says a lot of things, especially while moving his head. That guy cannot speak without shaking/nodding/rotating his head.

      Reply
  34. Oilcanoworms

    11 years ago

    A PTBNL for another PTBNL??? Why not just call it even and stop with just Carpenter??

    Reply
  35. Sully65

    11 years ago

    Carpenter reads a lot like what they use to say about Daniel Bard

    Reply
    • ellisburks

      11 years ago

      Except Bard has been in the majors for 3 years now and has 5mph more on his fastball. And waaaay better control. Other than that they are the same.

      Reply
      • Philip Marlowe

        11 years ago

        Carp was hitting 99 with his fastball last year. He’s raw, but he’ll be decent. I’d call it a fair deal.

        Reply
        • ellisburks

          11 years ago

          I would call it a fair deal too. 

  36. jb226

    11 years ago

    As a Cubs fan:

    Sad to lose Carpenter, I liked him.  But that said, it’s not a big loss.  With somebody like McNutt you can at least HOPE he will turn out to be a starter (I still think not), but Carpenter was a pretty much a guaranteed bullpen guy and those are a dime a dozen.  The fastball is impressive, but he doesn’t have any particular secondary pitches to speak of and his command is iffy.  He kind of reminds me of a younger David Aardsma: Big-time fastball but no idea where it’s going.  That’s not a terrible upside, but it’s not great either.  Still, the Sox will be happy with him if he turns out that way.

    Organizationally, we have a number of bullpen arms in the minors similar to him including somebody like Rafael Dolis, so the loss isn’t pronounced.  If McNutt ends up in the ‘pen, he is a pretty similar pitcher as well (slightly less fastball, better slider).

    It is, quite frankly, more than I thought the Sox would get at this point, but it’s still not all that much.  We’ll see how the PTBNLs work out, but with both teams sending one I expect them to largely be a wash.

    Best part of the compensation is that it’s over. Mostly, anyway. With a April 15th deadline on the PTBNLs I expect both teams to just swap scraps that weren’t going to make the roster at the end of Spring Training.

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  37. Paul Shailor

    11 years ago

    2 types of Red Sox reactions:

    “doood we deserved a lot better tho is my dawg!”

    “Chris Carpenter is amazing and will greatly help us”

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      Carpenter should be a good reliever if he can get his command under control; overall a decent return for a General Manager.

      What now?

      Reply
  38. George Spair

    11 years ago

    Sounds to me like the PTBNL for each team means Soriano will be trading places with Lachey

    Reply
    • gocubs418

      11 years ago

      I will take it in a heartbeat.  Lackey for Soriano. Straight up. Make it happen.

      Reply
  39. George Spair

    11 years ago

    The Red Sox get a DH from the right side and the Cubs get another head case to replace Big Z

    Reply
    • johnsilver

      11 years ago

      Since when was Lackey known to go around and bash everything within his site?

      lackey has a bulldog mentality on the mound and nothing more, he’s not one of the true head cases like Zambrano and Bradley that seem to congregate on the North side of chicago. Nor has Lackey ever been suspended by his own team and he even pitched the entire 2011 season needing TJ surgery.

      I doubt zambrano..The schizo.. would have done that, or without even taking more anti psychotic meds at least.

      Reply
    • johnsilver

      11 years ago

      Since when was Lackey known to go around and bash everything within his site?

      lackey has a bulldog mentality on the mound and nothing more, he’s not one of the true head cases like Zambrano and Bradley that seem to congregate on the North side of chicago. Nor has Lackey ever been suspended by his own team and he even pitched the entire 2011 season needing TJ surgery.

      I doubt zambrano..The schizo.. would have done that, or without even taking more anti psychotic meds at least.

      Reply
  40. Leonard Washington

    11 years ago

    Good enough. He can help us in the pen.

    Reply
  41. Steven Byrne

    11 years ago

    I think that this is a steal for the Sox. Cherington has been groomed for a while to take over for Theo upon his departure, and as his heart was in leaving they were lucky to get anything at all. Carpenter has an ELECTRIC fastball, and while he had some trouble in the upper minors last year, he does have a low 3s ERA over his minor league career, and was nearly lights out during his cup of coffee in the Show last year. Additionally he was ranked as the Cubbies #5 best prospect in their system. As the bullpen and the starting rotation have been the most glaring weaknesses for the Sox in recent years, Carpenter gives them insurance in both roles. It doesn’t hurt to have a guy who can crack 100mph coming out of the bullpen, who also has the ability, or experience of starting, regardless of if it’s been in the minors…just ask Daniel Bard. Great move for the Sox as is….PTBNL is concerning as it’s necessity is questionable. Further explanation will the needed in this area from both Cherington and Epstein. 

    Reply
    • baseball52

      11 years ago

      He has trouble throwing strikes. Not commanding the ball, just plain putting it in the zone.

      Reply
    • baseball52

      11 years ago

      He has trouble throwing strikes. Not commanding the ball, just plain putting it in the zone.

      Reply
    • schaddy24

      11 years ago

      Carpenter was the #5 prospect a while ago but he is certainly not anymore. He does have an overpowering fastball but his potential tops out as a setup man according to most scouts. 

      Reply
  42. Leonard Washington

    11 years ago

    The PTBNL was probably just a good faith thing so Cherrington and Theo have excuses to keep up with their friendship in more than just words with friends. They will probably use it as a means of getting something potentially useful they need that they don’t have to begin the season. Maybe some ST castoffs swich places. 

    Reply
  43. gocubs418

    11 years ago

    Boston should of paid us.  

    Thanks for Theo tho!  Enjoy not seeing the playoffs for a while

    Reply
    • Leonard Washington

      11 years ago

      Im not worried about our playoff chances……you guys though……see you in the playoffs in 5 years.

      Reply
    • redsx968

      11 years ago

      I was gonna say… A Cubbies fan talking about us not making the playoffs (in the NL Central)- OK…..

      Reply
  44. Uncle2Jonas

    11 years ago

    Chris “No, the Other One” Carpenter is nice and all, but I am anxious to hear about this PTBNL guy.  He seems to get moved from team to team a lot.

    Reply
  45. Uncle2Jonas

    11 years ago

    Chris “No, the Other One” Carpenter is nice and all, but I am anxious to hear about this PTBNL guy.  He seems to get moved from team to team a lot.

    Reply
  46. gocubs418

    11 years ago

    Had to be a player trade……

    Reply
  47. gocubs418

    11 years ago

    Had to be a player trade……

    Reply
  48. garylanglais

    11 years ago

    Im upset the Red Sox didnt push for Tony Zych if they were looking for a hard throwing righty RP for compensation.  Zych is from basically the same mold as Carpenter (CC is a heavier guy) and have both been clocked in high 90s.  But Zych is 5 years younger then CC.

    I get it that Zych would remind alot of people of Craig Hansen (hard throwing college closer) but he would’ve been better compensation then CC.  Saw Zych in the CCBL in 2010 and he was 95+ consistently.  Didn’t have much else but you cant teach that velocity at 21.  Since Zych was 2011 MLB Draftee, Sox shouldve agreed to a PTBNL deal and executed it on August 15th (One year from day Zych signed).  This happened in Ubaldo-Pomeranz swap last July.

    This trade should neither excite you nor disappoint you if you’re a Red Sox fan.

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    • Leonard Washington

      11 years ago

      Its a little exciting. If he comes in and is effective we got a reasonably young controlled set-up man with closer potential to add to the bullpen. We needed another quality pen guy and he could potentially be that guy. 

      Reply
      • garylanglais

        11 years ago

        And I’m saying you coulda had that with Zych who has 5 additional years to prove he can do that.  If this was the position they were targeting I feel they picked the wrong guy.  That was my main point. 

        Rule #1 for RPs…dont walk guys.  Carpenter hasn’t shown he can fix that.  Until then, you can hope all you want but he won’t be a contributing member of the ‘pen.

        Reply
        • Leonard Washington

          11 years ago

          Agreed it would have been nice, but i’ll chalk this up as enough. I never had some huge expectation like Garza or anything, I just expected someone who isn’t a joke. Carpenter is cheap, controlled, and can help us right now if he builds off of last years successes. He would be like the fourth or 5th option out of the pen anyway so the pressure is not to great. He is at his worse a prospect with enough upside to satisfy the loss. 

      • garylanglais

        11 years ago

        And I’m saying you coulda had that with Zych who has 5 additional years to prove he can do that.  If this was the position they were targeting I feel they picked the wrong guy.  That was my main point. 

        Rule #1 for RPs…dont walk guys.  Carpenter hasn’t shown he can fix that.  Until then, you can hope all you want but he won’t be a contributing member of the ‘pen.

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  49. garylanglais

    11 years ago

    “i’ll chalk this up as enough” vs. “This trade should neither excite you nor disappoint you if you’re a Red Sox fan”

    Sounds like we’re on the same page

    Reply
  50. Beersy

    11 years ago

    Man I hope the Padres can get Junior Lake from the Cubs for Hoyer.  I may be hoping for a bit much, but it would be nice.

    Reply
    • Tyler

      11 years ago

      I think it’s safe to say you are wishing on a miracle to take place. 

      Reply
      • Beersy

        11 years ago

        Indeed I am. J But if you think about it, the Padres let the Cubs take two front office guys who both had 2 years left on their deals, the Sox gave up one with 1 year left and they didn’t really want him anymore. A man can dream can’t he.

        Reply
        • petrie000

          11 years ago

          the Padres also seem kind of eager to part ways with Hoyer, given how fast it happened. If the Padres were asking for anything really relevant, they’d have made the Cubs work for it

        • Beersy

          11 years ago

          If Moorad hadn’t of had “his boy” Byrnes waiting in the wings, Hoyer would still be in San Diego.  With Hoyer and McLeod going to the Cubs, the Padres deserve something in return.

    • baseball52

      11 years ago

      Didn’t Moorad just let them go with no compensation?

      Reply
      • Beersy

        11 years ago

        The Padres are getting someone back, at least that is what has been reported as of late.  It even says that above.

        Reply
        • baseball52

          11 years ago

          Note to Self: Must… Read… Post…

  51. harmony55

    11 years ago

    I’m glad the clubs were able to work out an agreement (although I suspect Bud Selig brokered the compromise but had the teams sign off on it).

    If the decision had been left to me as baseball commissioner, I would have penalized each team for failing to reach an agreement beforehand by awarding compensation that neither team would like.

    Specifically, I would have given the Red Sox 29-year-old lefthand-hitting firstbaseman Bryan LaHair, whom the Cubs need as a bridge to Anthony Rizzo and for whom the Red Sox have neither the need nor the room on their roster.                     

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  52. StarsnStripes4life

    11 years ago

    If you even for a second thought this was the more well known Chris Carpenter that was traded, then you’re obviously not a real Cardinals fan.

    Reply
  53. Victor Kipp

    11 years ago

    Man…Epstein has left a lot of bad contracts behind in Boston.  Jenks on DL.  Lackey.  Crawford sux.  wow… I’d give him more credit for the SOX success if he made the Beckett trade and wasn’t off pouting about how he should have more control.  Lucccino finally gave it to him and he put over 200million dollars worth of garbage contracts on the SOX books then bounced for another team.  These are facts people.   Just goes to show ya that some people just get over rated for unknown reasons.

    oh  p.s.
    I’m a SOX fan who can look at reality and call it for what it is.  

    Reply
    • baseball52

      11 years ago

      Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkilis, Buchholz, Lester, Papelbon, Bard… Shall I continue?

      Reply
      • johnsilver

        11 years ago

        Lester and Youk were drafted by “The Duke”, but yeah.. epstein was good at adding talent in the draft and kudos to henry for adding huge sums to the drat/international talent level also.

        The last 2 regimes are the only 2 in my memory as a fan to spend heavily on raw talent.

        Reply
        • baseball52

          11 years ago

          My bad, not too up to par on Red Sox front office history.

        • johnsilver

          11 years ago

          NP.. Some Sox fans here do the exact same thing. LOL

    • Ptk123

      11 years ago

      LOL just how exactly does 1 bad season make Crawford suck?

      Reply
  54. wakefield4life

    11 years ago

    I don’t really understand what everyone thought the Sox were going to get for an executive.  The fact that they got anything other than cash compensation is, in no uncertain terms, a monstrous victory.  The Sox weren’t getting a top prospect and they weren’t getting an MLB ready player – that we knew from the beginning.  So I’ll take a reliever with a plus fastball and upside over nothing any day.  Oh yeah, and there’s a PTBNL?  Gold.

    Reply
  55. Lackeyistheman

    11 years ago

    For all you who say oh he was going to leave anyway why do they need something.

    Lets act as if Ichiro is going to leave at the end of the year… Would you all say lets trade him now for nothing since hes going to walk anyway, or should you get something in return? Thought so…..

    Reply
    • scott brecht

      11 years ago

      would ichiro be getting a promotion in the process?  would the mariners have granted the cubs permission to talk to him?  thought so…..

      Reply
  56. James S

    11 years ago

    Hah, Boston got nothing. Ooo, Baseball America thinks He MAY develop into a …Set-Up Man!

     

    Reply
  57. Runtime

    11 years ago

    Can’t wait until he pipes one of those power fastball right down the middle to Bautista…

    Reply
  58. PWNdroia

    11 years ago

    So, why do the Red Sox also have to send a player when they are the ones getting compensation?

    Reply
    • scott brecht

      11 years ago

      because they will use those two players to even out of trade later off.  If Carpenter makes the major league roster, the Cubs will get the better of the two players.  If he looks awful in spring training and ends up in AA or AAA, then the Sox will get the better player.  

      Reply
      • PWNdroia

        11 years ago

         You’re still missing my point.  why do the Red Sox have to give up a player when it should be the Cubs giving up someone for Theo?  It’s like giving away money only to have to pay for something else later on.

        Reply
  59. THE JOKER

    11 years ago

    As a life long Cubs fan..I’m just glad the Compension problem is done..the Cubs now must deal with the Padres Compension…then focus on this season..I would be happy if the Cubs break the 500 mark and put more wins togetheir then losses I would be happy..I’m looking more to next season free agent market..the Cubs may have have more cap room to pick up a big name player then….     

    Reply
  60. THE JOKER

    11 years ago

    I think Theo is doing a good job with what he has available to him..the G.M is trying to piece togetheir a winning team…it will take a few seasons but be assured they will be better then this past season…I’m disappointed in the trade of Big Z the Cubs got almost nothing in return…and most of all they sat around on their hands and didn’t address any 1st base needs ..Rizzo…Lahair…Please I mean REALLY…COMMON…i’M MEAN…..REALLY..Is this the best they could do….?   

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