The Red Sox received 26-year-old righty reliever Chris Carpenter and a player to be named later from the Cubs as compensation for Theo Epstein and a player to be named later, announced the teams today. The Cubs hired Epstein as their president of baseball operations in October, despite one year remaining on his contract as Boston's GM. Nearly four months after that announcement, Epstein and new Cubs GM Jed Hoyer reached a compensation agreement with former colleague and new Red Sox GM Ben Cherington. Epstein said in a statement:
"I am relieved that this process is over and particularly pleased that the teams were able to reach agreement on their own without intervention from MLB. I truly hope and believe that this resolution will benefit both clubs, as well as Chris, who is an extremely talented reliever joining a great organization at a time when there's some opportunity in the major league bullpen. More than anything, I'm excited that we can all move forward and focus exclusively on getting ready for the season. I wish Chris and the Red Sox nothing but the best in 2012 and beyond."
Carpenter, who made his big league debut with the Cubs last year, was recently ranked 13th on their prospect list by Baseball America. The Cubs converted Carpenter to relief late in 2010, and he averaged 96.5 miles per hour on his fastball in the Majors last year. His command and control are works in progress, but Baseball America thinks he could develop into a setup man. The Red Sox placed Bobby Jenks on the 60-day DL to create a 40-man roster spot for Carpenter.
The inclusion of two players to be named later means this saga has not quite reached its conclusion, but an April 15th deadline is already in place and Cherington expects resolution by the end of spring training. The Cubs also owe compensation to the Padres for Hoyer, which Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune notes will get done very soon and will not involve anyone on the team's 40-man roster.
WEEI's Alex Speier first reported the Red Sox would receive a pitcher from the Cubs' 40-man roster.
As a Cubs fan, that seems like a fair price to pay.
No it isn’t. It doesn’t really matter, though. Congratulations on a great executive at a ridiculously cheap price.
Can’t disagree. If the Sox would have held Theo and said they wanted something more significant, the Cubs would have paid it. But they let him walk before the deal was done and that is their mistake.
Getting a 25% off coupon at the Cubs team store would have been more than enough for Theo. I love this notion that the Red Sox were really upset that he left. Theo hasn’t been a good GM in about 8 years, and the Cubs taking him off our hands a year early was the greatest compensation of all.
Wow. That’s a strange thought. Lol.
Anyone paying attention in Boston the past several years knows I’m right. 😛
u mad??
Oh dang did I stumble onto reddit?
I’d take 2 titles in 8 years.
– Pirates and Royals fans
2004 was all Theo. I graciously give him genius status before the 2004-2005 offseason.
2007 was in spite of him though.
Right. So Ellsbury, Papelbon, Masterson, Pedroia, Lowrie have all been awful draft picks. And the quality of those shipped off to net V Mart, A Gon, and Beckett were garbage, too, right? He most definitely should have seen Carl Crawford’s uncharacteristic and unpredictable aberration of a season, right? You pointing to Dice-K? Got it. Missed. Seems like you’re not paying attention to how you’ve gotten the foundation for the majority of your wins. They’ve been the picks of your ex-gm, or they’ve come via trade because he’s drafted well enough to warrant a swap of theirs for yours. Keep complaining, brosef. Sounds more like you’re embittered than factually sound.
Draft picks? You can’t judge a GM on his draft picks. That’s a huge organizational process. You judge a GM on his trades and FA signings. So let’s address your points:
V Mart: He played well in a season and a half with few ultimate results. He now “plays” (though not this season) for the Tigers while Masterson, who we traded for him, pitched 216 innings of 3.68 SIERA ball for the Indians last season, who have him through the next three seasons.
A Gon: Jed Hoyer was drooling over Rizzo and Kelly. This would’ve gotten done with even OWNERSHIP at the helm.
Beckett: The trade that sent 2007 ALCS MVP Josh Beckett and 2007 World Series MVP Mike Lowell to Boston was engineered by ownership and Ben Cherington during Theo Epstein’s little hissy fit hiatus from the Red Sox. Who knows if Theo could’ve pulled that off.
Carl Crawford: Who on earth gives $142 million to a player who’s never had over 20 home runs and whose steals are ready to steadily decline? Crawford had ONE season with an OPS over 120 in his career, and it was his contract year.
Let’s look at Dice-K, the failure to extend Orlando Cabrera and instead sign Edgar Renteria, the miserable trade for Eric Gagne (that David Murphy kid sure is playing well for Texas! Say, couldn’t we use a corner outfielder?), the trade of Bronso Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena, the signing of Julio Lugo, and the contract Theo gave to JD Drew?
EDIT: How did I forget JOHN LACKEY??? A.k.a. the reason we couldn’t make budget space to add a starting pitcher this offseason.
All that happened since 2004. Theo made some brilliant moves to set up the 2004 World Series, but after that there was very little that has me signing the praises of Theo.
In hindsight your right about Julio,Edgar, Gagne, and Wily Mo, and Masterson Thats about it though. So first off GM’s are a huge part of making picks/drafting/farm, so he is entitled to as much credit as anyone. Secondly CC is is one year in and has hit double digit homeruns. In fact he hit double digit last year in a down season. He bounces back all is well. Three Drew pretty much earned his deal. It wasn’t pretty but he played well enough. Fourth Beltre was a huge steal that season for us, and as much as Victor was a temporary part of the team he was good while he was here so the trade was not bad it was just short term versus long term. He was what we needed at the time. Theo has overseen the saving of a ton of money in locking up Buc, Lester, Pedroia, Youk, and Ortiz through their prime years. He has also made good trades beyond 04 for example acquiring Ramon Ramirez/Jason Bay & Adrian (Which we have unquestionably won). Add two titles that he brought to fruition 04 (Almost an entire starting roster assembly minus trot, Lowe, Manny,Pedro) and 07 with Dice-K (Who believe it or not helped alot), Jacoby, and Pedroia.
Theo wasted any money he saved by extending the young players. Over 26 million dollars are committed to John Lackey and Dice-K this season, who both will miss the entire season. That 26 million could’ve bought a front-line starter and a big bat that could’ve made the Red Sox the uncontested favorites for this season.
(Also, I made a minor typo about Crawford that I fixed: I meant he had never hit 20+ homers in a season. Sorry about that.)
Lackey pitched well his first season, then played last season with nagging injuries that turned out to be serious. Dice-K will be back at the break. You take Dice-K away we might not have won the 07 WS. So SP this year without a 07 title or wait a season. I’ll wait the season with what is still an incredibly good team.
You have a curious definition of “pitched well.” Lackey’s ERA in 2010 was his worsrt since 2004 and his WHIP was his worst in his career (numbers that SEEM amazing in comparison to his 2011 stats.
His K numbers have been below his career norms with Boston and went down more last season. We’re paying him like a #2 and he’s pitching like a passable number 4 at his BEST. Last season he was one of the worst pitchers who qualified and also his off-the-field issues didn’t exactly endear him.
And no there is no way he wasted all that money. At the time Ortiz was due for his first big deal he could have asked for like 100M and probably got it. Pedroia is another one that if left to normal control would easily go 100M plus once he hit FA. Ditto Lester. And Ditto Youk. So I don’t think 185M eats up what is probably 300M in savings.
He wasted it on people like Lackey, Crawford, and Dice-K. That’s like buying a cost-efficient automobile just to spend the savings from gas money on bricks to weigh down the trunk.
He wasted it on people like Lackey, Crawford, and Dice-K. That’s like buying a cost-efficient automobile just to spend the savings from gas money on bricks to weigh down the trunk.
No I completely agree. Carl Crawford has never had double digit home run numbers.
Except in 2004 when he had 11.
Or in 2005 when he had 15.
Or in 2006 when he had 18.
Or in 2007 when he had 11.
Or in 2009 when he had 15.
Or in 2010 when he had 19.
Or this year with the Red Sox when he had 11.
Im not defending the decision, at the time they were still overpaying him. But Crawford was going to get a huge contract from someone. In fact, what long term contract DOES look good?
Red Sox fans are complaining that their team has been inactive this offseason, but long term deals for big free agents rarely pan out.
The only teams that can afford them are big markets like Boston, so you cant blame Theo for taking a risk. Small market teams like St. Louis and Tampa Bay win by locking up players while they are young (Pujols’ first extension, Evan Longoria,) and then let them walk when they hit free agency. The Red Sox do not have to develop as many players and take risks on extensions because they can pay hefty prices for FA’s. It’s that simple.
We developed lots of players in spite of the neeed actually. Paps, Lester, Youk, Pedroia, Bard, Ells, Buc. And we got Lester, Youk, Pedroia, and Buc super discounted through their prime years. But I do agree about the free agency part. Anyone dabbling in that market will eventually get bit signing people to huge contracts. The very nature of tha market is that your typically signing a great player already progressed into his prime or past it for big years/dollars. Its like a casino. Best you can hope for is that it mostly pays off.
We developed lots of players in spite of the neeed actually. Paps, Lester, Youk, Pedroia, Bard, Ells, Buc. And we got Lester, Youk, Pedroia, and Buc super discounted through their prime years. But I do agree about the free agency part. Anyone dabbling in that market will eventually get bit signing people to huge contracts. The very nature of tha market is that your typically signing a great player already progressed into his prime or past it for big years/dollars. Its like a casino. Best you can hope for is that it mostly pays off.
That was a typo on my part about Crawford. I meant he had never had 20+ homers.
I would much rather have seen the Sox add Matt Holliday instead of Lackey and then at least they would have been overpaying for someone with more sustainable talent. As soon as Crawford’s legs give out, he’ll be totally worthless, so the loss of the 2011 campaign is a HUGE hit. Should’ve let the Angels have him instead of taking the bait the Yankees laid out.
That was a typo on my part about Crawford. I meant he had never had 20+ homers.
I would much rather have seen the Sox add Matt Holliday instead of Lackey and then at least they would have been overpaying for someone with more sustainable talent. As soon as Crawford’s legs give out, he’ll be totally worthless, so the loss of the 2011 campaign is a HUGE hit. Should’ve let the Angels have him instead of taking the bait the Yankees laid out.
Agreed. I’m pretty sure that KarKat is simply upset that Theo didn’t draft as wisely as Friedman and missed on a couple free agents. It is the Rays that keep stealing the Red Sox’s post season thunder, right? That said, I’m not going to try to thumb my nose at Ellsbury, Pedroia, Bucholz, et al. It is the GM who hires his staff, right? To help him evaluate talent…?
Theo takes part in the evaluation process/drafting/everything.He even flies down to certain hard to sign players houses to talk them into it. And given the fact that winning teams typically get bottom of the barrell picks his draft history is amazing. And we still have a great farm with tons of quality guys in the low minors and three in the top 100 overall.
That resonates with my thinking. Irrespective to his free agency efficiency, he’s built a solid foundation, which is something the Cubs sorely need. Routingback to the initial point, as a BoSox fan, I’d be gratefulthat there was some kind of significant compensation. The man was the brains behind the operation. You don’t let him walk for free.
I couldn’t agree more, though I was hoping we got something more impressive.
So what are the Astros going to send to St. Louis as compensation for hiring Luhnow?
as if there’s something they’d want?
They want the Astros to lose every game to them the next two years. Although its not reported because the Astros were well on their way to making that happen anyways.
It will be tough for Bud Selig to figure this one out. St. Louis already has Chris Carpenter.
Well, it’s unfair that they had to give up a good player when it wasn’t a lateral move. He was offered a promotion, so I think it was totally reasonable that a PTBNL was enough on its own.
With Hoyer, at least his makes sense because he didn’t get a promotion.
Not a lateral move? LOL The Cubs are the only team in baseball with the position that Theo filled. They basically made that position up. It really wasn’t that much of a promotion. If it wa then why had Theo been the one announcing deals this offseason and not Hoyer?
The Cubs are the only team in baseball that has a position called President of Baseball Operations? Isn’t that Lucchino’s position in Boston?
In spite of the people the Cub’s front office have hired this off-season, they still have one of the smallest front offices in baseball. So I don’t see how they are creating positions to steal other team’s executives.
Or a mediocre executive at a cheap price.
Dangit! I wanted to make that comment, Jaysfan!
PTBNL is garza
– WEEI
Ha ha… Now we gotta speculate all season on who the PTBNL is going to be…
I excpect both PTBNLs to be Chris Carpenter. Just make him bounce back and forth and have everything be even.
And Jon Heyman is reporting that the PTBNL going from Boston to the Cubs is Lackey…
Both Carpenter and the PTBNL should be considered a bonus — the real compensation for the Red Sox was the Yankees’ hiring of Jim Hendry.
As a Cardinals fan, the moment of immediate fear and confusion reading this headline brings is monumental.
Nice!
About time! I’m curious about what opportunity in the bullpen Theo’s talking about though, if anything there are already too many pitchers fighting for bullpen roles with Miller, Bowden, and Doubront out of options.
And a PTBNL??? Why? Carpenter is absolutely too much…
PTBNLs are generally chosen from a small pool. One team’s pool will have better prospects than the other, in order to even the trade up.
Well I understand that… but initially it looked as though only the Red Sox were getting the PTBNL, thus my initial reaction to Carpenter & another for Epstein, but now I see the Cubs are getting one back as well.
Well I understand that… but initially it looked as though only the Red Sox were getting the PTBNL, thus my initial reaction to Carpenter & another for Epstein, but now I see the Cubs are getting one back as well.
the red sox think they got the other chris carpenter
Anyone know how many options he has left?
Fair. Carpenter has a big fastball that will give him a good shot at being a solid set-up man in the near future. Curious about the PTBNL though…I think Carpenter is enough, personally.
All that waiting for a 25 year old who stunk at AAA last year?
Yay.
😉
I saw Carpenter’s appearances with the big league club last year, and while he looks a little rough around the edges, I do think he’ll mature into a pretty solid 8th-inning guy. I’m disappointed to have lost him. Why couldn’t you guys take Scott Maine instead?
Fair price. Not an overpay like I was afraid of and if Carpenter ever makes it to the Major league level, it wouldn’t be expected he’d be some sort of difference maker.
its a nothing compensation, MLB didnt want to set a standard for outlandish comp. On the other hand by doing so it would have prevented poaching.
Chances he makes the bullpen out of spring training?
100%
Can the ptbnl be Steve bartman?
They still got almost nothing. hope Lucchino learned his lesson from Rickets: his word = *0* as good compensation, when the GM/president would just break it anyway.
Edit:
Looks like an Alex Wilson type who has already failed at being a SP.
I still say it was a steal for the Sox. Can you imagine the awful deals Theo would’ve made so far if he were still with the Sox?
david dejesus >> cody ross
Agreed, but I’m not convinced Theo would’ve gotten him for the Sox.
Pretty sure Cubs will be getting a PTBNL as well.
Going off of the previous reports that the comissioners office wanted to give the Red Sox a lot to keep executives from moving teams…..i don’t think this is going to have that effect.
At all times, try to remember the name of this website.
So we wait this long to see what the compensation is and they give up Carpenter AND a player to be named later AGAIN? I wonder how long this will take.
Not sure they would have liked the other Carpenter either, move him to the AL East with his salaray plus the lux tax and thats not a good deal at all.
wonderful……a 26 year old who can’t make the MLB
Well he has pitched in the majors and did pretty well besides his bad control. He should be a good 7th inning possibly set-up man if he gets that fixed. So know your facts before you start talking. Also, he can 100 on a fastball really good lively arm.
I think what the poster meant was boston has plenty of RH options already:
Bailey
Malencon
Aceves
And out of option guys like:
Matt Albers
Michael Bowden
And even considering Daniel Bard headed to the rotation the RH corps was very strong.
They *might* have been able to use a provenlefty, but have 3 of them out of options in:
Andrew Miller
Franklin Morales
Felix Doubrant
The BP was going to be a strength heading into ST, even with jenks on the 60 day DL
Even so, I would rather plug Carpenter in the bullpen over Aceves, Albers, and Bowden, experience or no experience.
Over Aceves? Are you serious?
He’s Serious…
I almost died before I was able to finish this headline and then my heart started operating normally again.
And the compensation is…. this dude. and someone to be named later. I thought this was going to be officially over. Total steal for the Cubbies, but I feel like GM compensation is weird. A good prospect who can physically help a team win has a totally different value than a GM. Both are valuable, but in different ways, and to be honest I wasn’t expecting much from the Cubs. Maybe Theo can make them relevant again. Breaking 2 curses would be pretty wild.
I will have a smile on my face when Theo doesn’t help the Cubs win. Sure, I like the Cubs and I hope they win, but not with Theo.
Dan Mazzaro did lol
Woo! It’s kinda-sorta over!
He’s a better pitcher than many are speculating. Sure, he’s not a huge difference maker and he’s a little old to be a “prospect” but, he has a lively arm.. if his control gets in check he should be able to make the pen out of ST or shortly after with proper coaching..
I read Red Sox receive Chris Carpenter and had a heart attack. Took me a few seconds to realize its a different player lmaooo
Carpenter is descent, the sox scouted him with a 95 mph fastball in the Arizona fall league
They should send Casey Coleman, too. That guy stinks.
if they could they would
I disagree, I think Casey Coleman has real potential to be a great #4 or good #3 MLB SP. His stuff isn’t overpowering, but he has good enough downward movement on his pitches that if he can achieve better control, he can be a very effective pitcher. It seems like a big IF, but he had pretty nice control in the minors, and his stint at AAA last season was actually very good considering how offensive based the PCL was last year.
I thought Theo Epstein was being traded to the Red Sox.
It doesn’t work that way, right?
Anyone else think that adding in a PTBNL is just to add a twist to the joke?
Carpenter has a power arm and should turn into a nice bullpen piece. Most likely an 8th inning guy, but if he developed his command, he could be a closer. Maybe not for the Red Sox, but for a second division team. Like an early model Kyle Farnsworth.
Mitch williams says if you have upper 90s stuff you do not need command or control to pitch out of a big league bullpen, BUT; YOU WILL NEED A WICKED MULLET! Grow your hair out (neckside not forehead) Carp and let it all hang out!
Mitch Williams says a lot of things, especially while moving his head. That guy cannot speak without shaking/nodding/rotating his head.
A PTBNL for another PTBNL??? Why not just call it even and stop with just Carpenter??
Carpenter reads a lot like what they use to say about Daniel Bard
Except Bard has been in the majors for 3 years now and has 5mph more on his fastball. And waaaay better control. Other than that they are the same.
Carp was hitting 99 with his fastball last year. He’s raw, but he’ll be decent. I’d call it a fair deal.
I would call it a fair deal too.
As a Cubs fan:
Sad to lose Carpenter, I liked him. But that said, it’s not a big loss. With somebody like McNutt you can at least HOPE he will turn out to be a starter (I still think not), but Carpenter was a pretty much a guaranteed bullpen guy and those are a dime a dozen. The fastball is impressive, but he doesn’t have any particular secondary pitches to speak of and his command is iffy. He kind of reminds me of a younger David Aardsma: Big-time fastball but no idea where it’s going. That’s not a terrible upside, but it’s not great either. Still, the Sox will be happy with him if he turns out that way.
Organizationally, we have a number of bullpen arms in the minors similar to him including somebody like Rafael Dolis, so the loss isn’t pronounced. If McNutt ends up in the ‘pen, he is a pretty similar pitcher as well (slightly less fastball, better slider).
It is, quite frankly, more than I thought the Sox would get at this point, but it’s still not all that much. We’ll see how the PTBNLs work out, but with both teams sending one I expect them to largely be a wash.
Best part of the compensation is that it’s over. Mostly, anyway. With a April 15th deadline on the PTBNLs I expect both teams to just swap scraps that weren’t going to make the roster at the end of Spring Training.
2 types of Red Sox reactions:
“doood we deserved a lot better tho is my dawg!”
“Chris Carpenter is amazing and will greatly help us”
Carpenter should be a good reliever if he can get his command under control; overall a decent return for a General Manager.
What now?
Sounds to me like the PTBNL for each team means Soriano will be trading places with Lachey
I will take it in a heartbeat. Lackey for Soriano. Straight up. Make it happen.
The Red Sox get a DH from the right side and the Cubs get another head case to replace Big Z
Since when was Lackey known to go around and bash everything within his site?
lackey has a bulldog mentality on the mound and nothing more, he’s not one of the true head cases like Zambrano and Bradley that seem to congregate on the North side of chicago. Nor has Lackey ever been suspended by his own team and he even pitched the entire 2011 season needing TJ surgery.
I doubt zambrano..The schizo.. would have done that, or without even taking more anti psychotic meds at least.
Since when was Lackey known to go around and bash everything within his site?
lackey has a bulldog mentality on the mound and nothing more, he’s not one of the true head cases like Zambrano and Bradley that seem to congregate on the North side of chicago. Nor has Lackey ever been suspended by his own team and he even pitched the entire 2011 season needing TJ surgery.
I doubt zambrano..The schizo.. would have done that, or without even taking more anti psychotic meds at least.
Good enough. He can help us in the pen.
I think that this is a steal for the Sox. Cherington has been groomed for a while to take over for Theo upon his departure, and as his heart was in leaving they were lucky to get anything at all. Carpenter has an ELECTRIC fastball, and while he had some trouble in the upper minors last year, he does have a low 3s ERA over his minor league career, and was nearly lights out during his cup of coffee in the Show last year. Additionally he was ranked as the Cubbies #5 best prospect in their system. As the bullpen and the starting rotation have been the most glaring weaknesses for the Sox in recent years, Carpenter gives them insurance in both roles. It doesn’t hurt to have a guy who can crack 100mph coming out of the bullpen, who also has the ability, or experience of starting, regardless of if it’s been in the minors…just ask Daniel Bard. Great move for the Sox as is….PTBNL is concerning as it’s necessity is questionable. Further explanation will the needed in this area from both Cherington and Epstein.
He has trouble throwing strikes. Not commanding the ball, just plain putting it in the zone.
He has trouble throwing strikes. Not commanding the ball, just plain putting it in the zone.
Carpenter was the #5 prospect a while ago but he is certainly not anymore. He does have an overpowering fastball but his potential tops out as a setup man according to most scouts.
The PTBNL was probably just a good faith thing so Cherrington and Theo have excuses to keep up with their friendship in more than just words with friends. They will probably use it as a means of getting something potentially useful they need that they don’t have to begin the season. Maybe some ST castoffs swich places.
Boston should of paid us.
Thanks for Theo tho! Enjoy not seeing the playoffs for a while
Im not worried about our playoff chances……you guys though……see you in the playoffs in 5 years.
I was gonna say… A Cubbies fan talking about us not making the playoffs (in the NL Central)- OK…..
Chris “No, the Other One” Carpenter is nice and all, but I am anxious to hear about this PTBNL guy. He seems to get moved from team to team a lot.
Chris “No, the Other One” Carpenter is nice and all, but I am anxious to hear about this PTBNL guy. He seems to get moved from team to team a lot.
Had to be a player trade……
Had to be a player trade……
Im upset the Red Sox didnt push for Tony Zych if they were looking for a hard throwing righty RP for compensation. Zych is from basically the same mold as Carpenter (CC is a heavier guy) and have both been clocked in high 90s. But Zych is 5 years younger then CC.
I get it that Zych would remind alot of people of Craig Hansen (hard throwing college closer) but he would’ve been better compensation then CC. Saw Zych in the CCBL in 2010 and he was 95+ consistently. Didn’t have much else but you cant teach that velocity at 21. Since Zych was 2011 MLB Draftee, Sox shouldve agreed to a PTBNL deal and executed it on August 15th (One year from day Zych signed). This happened in Ubaldo-Pomeranz swap last July.
This trade should neither excite you nor disappoint you if you’re a Red Sox fan.
Its a little exciting. If he comes in and is effective we got a reasonably young controlled set-up man with closer potential to add to the bullpen. We needed another quality pen guy and he could potentially be that guy.
And I’m saying you coulda had that with Zych who has 5 additional years to prove he can do that. If this was the position they were targeting I feel they picked the wrong guy. That was my main point.
Rule #1 for RPs…dont walk guys. Carpenter hasn’t shown he can fix that. Until then, you can hope all you want but he won’t be a contributing member of the ‘pen.
Agreed it would have been nice, but i’ll chalk this up as enough. I never had some huge expectation like Garza or anything, I just expected someone who isn’t a joke. Carpenter is cheap, controlled, and can help us right now if he builds off of last years successes. He would be like the fourth or 5th option out of the pen anyway so the pressure is not to great. He is at his worse a prospect with enough upside to satisfy the loss.
And I’m saying you coulda had that with Zych who has 5 additional years to prove he can do that. If this was the position they were targeting I feel they picked the wrong guy. That was my main point.
Rule #1 for RPs…dont walk guys. Carpenter hasn’t shown he can fix that. Until then, you can hope all you want but he won’t be a contributing member of the ‘pen.
“i’ll chalk this up as enough” vs. “This trade should neither excite you nor disappoint you if you’re a Red Sox fan”
Sounds like we’re on the same page
Man I hope the Padres can get Junior Lake from the Cubs for Hoyer. I may be hoping for a bit much, but it would be nice.
I think it’s safe to say you are wishing on a miracle to take place.
Indeed I am. J But if you think about it, the Padres let the Cubs take two front office guys who both had 2 years left on their deals, the Sox gave up one with 1 year left and they didn’t really want him anymore. A man can dream can’t he.
the Padres also seem kind of eager to part ways with Hoyer, given how fast it happened. If the Padres were asking for anything really relevant, they’d have made the Cubs work for it
If Moorad hadn’t of had “his boy” Byrnes waiting in the wings, Hoyer would still be in San Diego. With Hoyer and McLeod going to the Cubs, the Padres deserve something in return.
Didn’t Moorad just let them go with no compensation?
The Padres are getting someone back, at least that is what has been reported as of late. It even says that above.
Note to Self: Must… Read… Post…
I’m glad the clubs were able to work out an agreement (although I suspect Bud Selig brokered the compromise but had the teams sign off on it).
If the decision had been left to me as baseball commissioner, I would have penalized each team for failing to reach an agreement beforehand by awarding compensation that neither team would like.
Specifically, I would have given the Red Sox 29-year-old lefthand-hitting firstbaseman Bryan LaHair, whom the Cubs need as a bridge to Anthony Rizzo and for whom the Red Sox have neither the need nor the room on their roster.
If you even for a second thought this was the more well known Chris Carpenter that was traded, then you’re obviously not a real Cardinals fan.
Man…Epstein has left a lot of bad contracts behind in Boston. Jenks on DL. Lackey. Crawford sux. wow… I’d give him more credit for the SOX success if he made the Beckett trade and wasn’t off pouting about how he should have more control. Lucccino finally gave it to him and he put over 200million dollars worth of garbage contracts on the SOX books then bounced for another team. These are facts people. Just goes to show ya that some people just get over rated for unknown reasons.
oh p.s.
I’m a SOX fan who can look at reality and call it for what it is.
Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkilis, Buchholz, Lester, Papelbon, Bard… Shall I continue?
Lester and Youk were drafted by “The Duke”, but yeah.. epstein was good at adding talent in the draft and kudos to henry for adding huge sums to the drat/international talent level also.
The last 2 regimes are the only 2 in my memory as a fan to spend heavily on raw talent.
My bad, not too up to par on Red Sox front office history.
NP.. Some Sox fans here do the exact same thing. LOL
LOL just how exactly does 1 bad season make Crawford suck?
I don’t really understand what everyone thought the Sox were going to get for an executive. The fact that they got anything other than cash compensation is, in no uncertain terms, a monstrous victory. The Sox weren’t getting a top prospect and they weren’t getting an MLB ready player – that we knew from the beginning. So I’ll take a reliever with a plus fastball and upside over nothing any day. Oh yeah, and there’s a PTBNL? Gold.
For all you who say oh he was going to leave anyway why do they need something.
Lets act as if Ichiro is going to leave at the end of the year… Would you all say lets trade him now for nothing since hes going to walk anyway, or should you get something in return? Thought so…..
would ichiro be getting a promotion in the process? would the mariners have granted the cubs permission to talk to him? thought so…..
Hah, Boston got nothing. Ooo, Baseball America thinks He MAY develop into a …Set-Up Man!
Can’t wait until he pipes one of those power fastball right down the middle to Bautista…
So, why do the Red Sox also have to send a player when they are the ones getting compensation?
because they will use those two players to even out of trade later off. If Carpenter makes the major league roster, the Cubs will get the better of the two players. If he looks awful in spring training and ends up in AA or AAA, then the Sox will get the better player.
You’re still missing my point. why do the Red Sox have to give up a player when it should be the Cubs giving up someone for Theo? It’s like giving away money only to have to pay for something else later on.
As a life long Cubs fan..I’m just glad the Compension problem is done..the Cubs now must deal with the Padres Compension…then focus on this season..I would be happy if the Cubs break the 500 mark and put more wins togetheir then losses I would be happy..I’m looking more to next season free agent market..the Cubs may have have more cap room to pick up a big name player then….
I think Theo is doing a good job with what he has available to him..the G.M is trying to piece togetheir a winning team…it will take a few seasons but be assured they will be better then this past season…I’m disappointed in the trade of Big Z the Cubs got almost nothing in return…and most of all they sat around on their hands and didn’t address any 1st base needs ..Rizzo…Lahair…Please I mean REALLY…COMMON…i’M MEAN…..REALLY..Is this the best they could do….?
Why wouldn’t the Cardinals be giving up compensation for a deal they had no part of?..explain that Mr. Nospacebar
The first thing i saw in that comment was theo and not chris carpenter lol
Well then why did you like his comment “Dan Mazzaro” ?
..because, as everyone knows, the jedi mind trick takes 4 months to have any effect.
It wasn’t even Buckner’s fault. It was the Pitcher’s. He had two strikes and threw the ball away.
As much maligned as Billy Buck has been for *1* play.. That guy had a borderline HOF career and if any Cub fans are old enough to remember.. He had some sweet years with them as well…
Maybe Ben Cherington has Toydarian blood in him?
that would be me
This is becoming a real original comment.
This is becoming a real original comment.
Just like you thought Castro, Jackson, Scuzar, and Garza also ways? lol
He’s Not Serious…
Honestly, I would, even if I might be a little biased over him hitting Byrd in the face.
Honestly, I would, even if I might be a little biased over him hitting Byrd in the face.
Albers even throws 95 and he was as consistent of a 6-7th inning guy Boston had until they overworked him..The end of July..
I don’t see Carpenter being any immediate help, or close on the horizon.. Hopefully he has at least a couple of options left.
Albers even throws 95 and he was as consistent of a 6-7th inning guy Boston had until they overworked him..The end of July..
I don’t see Carpenter being any immediate help, or close on the horizon.. Hopefully he has at least a couple of options left.
Yeah I would throw Bailey/Melancon/Aceves/Albers/Carpenter/Morales/Doubront/Tazawa? out there. Not bad at all quite strong actually. If Rich Hill can regain his form from last year we will have that extra lefty to step in too. He was fire before the injury.
Tazawa will probably be a little later in the year before he makes another return to Boston, am anxiously awaiting his return to the MLB team also.
Tazawa has option left and it will work against him for now.
Am thinking Doubrant could be the only lefty.. *if* he shows up in shape and ready to pitch this spring, because he is able to go more than an inning at a time where morales is pretty much a 1IP guy and not so sure about Miller anymore..Shame too with regards to AM..
Think Carpenter already his his ticket punched to Pawtucket to try and get his control harnessed. he has options left and guys like Bowden are out, they are probably going to give him (for example) a long look before exposing him to waivers when Carpenter has options, even lefties morales and miller is my guess.
the text i got from mlb.com only initially showed “Red Sox get RP Chris Carpenter…” so i had the same confused shock until i read the entire message.
the text i got from mlb.com only initially showed “Red Sox get RP Chris Carpenter…” so i had the same confused shock until i read the entire message.
He does not project as a “closer type”. Every scouting report I have ever read on CC says that he is a set up man at best. He will most likely be a hard throwing middle reliever.
Was there supposed to be a point at all in your post?
“i’m dumb”