The Brewers and Zack Greinke have agreed to suspend contract extension talks, GM Doug Melvin told reporters (including MLB.com's Adam McCalvy) this afternoon. Melvin said the two sides could re-start talks at a later date, but nothing is scheduled at the moment.
Greinke, 28, recently hired agent Casey Close and the two sides were talking as recently as last week. The right-hander is scheduled to become a free agent after the season, and it's been speculated that Matt Cain's new five-year, $112.5MM extension with the Giants could serve as framework for a deal. Greinke will earn $13.5MM this summer and figures to be the best righty on the open market next winter.
It’s a lot of money, but I think if we can lock him up for somewhere around $100 mil for five years, he would be worth it. He’s still got plenty left in the tank and would appear. We need a top of the line starter besides Yo, we’re likely saying bye to Marcum and Wolf this year, and our prospects aren’t ready for next year. I say Melvin needs to be aggressive here and bring him back.
Have been a few fans here knocking on Cain for his career record and how much money he ended up with, but have a feeling that if Can and grienke both had hit the market? Cain would have been the #1 target and gotten the biggest value contract for R/H SP, not Grienke. He will get more than Sanchez, but doubtful (to me) Milwaukee brass continues negotiating if Grienke starts out at 5/100m, that is no discount and really not even so sure he could get that much in an all out bidding war if Sanchez reaches FA also, along with Hamels.
All it takes is one quick glance at Cain’s and Greinke’s B-Ref pages and you can easily see that Cain is the more reliable guy, and should have the bigger contract. I do think Greinke has the higher upside in any given year, but he also has a lower floor. With Cain, you pretty much know what you’re going to get year-in, year-out.
As a Brewers fan, this is a bummer. I can’t imagine him coming back if he hits the market.
I really dont see the point if the market will give him 20M aav. His career era is 3.80. Yes, he has had some good years, 2009. But every other year he has been mid 3.50’s at best, and nearer 4.00 often.
Given the value on decent pitching today, I can’t see a scenario where we don’t exercise Wolf’s $10MM option next year. Marcum has also voiced a strong desire to stay in Milwaukee. I could see us getting him for 4 years, $50 million. Peralta should be ready after another season at AAA, and I could easily see him dominating as early as his rookie year.
That gives us a rotation of Gallardo, Peralta, Marcum, Wolf, Narveson.
Unless Greinke gives us a discount, why spend $20MM+ a year on him when we could be spending it at SS or CF?
I agree, but the fact of the matter is that if he’s on, Greinke is so ridiculously good, I’m not going to be upset it DM spends 5/100+ to sign him, SS be damned.
Not sure where you see the need for CF is though, with Gomez, Morgan, Aoki, Schaefer, and Gindl providing pretty solid orgizational depth for the Crew in center.
This is depressing news.
What SS or CF are you going to spend that money on? Erick Aybar? Josh Hamilton?
I don’t think that Grenkie is worth 100 mil he should sign a weaver type contract. I wouldnt not pay this guy over 100 mil
Weaver has to stay in LA, he probably wouldn’t survive anywhere else. Have you seen his road/home splits. 3.90/2.66 for his career. He is electric in angel stadium, but on road is nowhere near an ace.
I don’t see Zach Grenkie as a $100 million pitcher… mainly because the big spenders (Boston, New York, Philly, LA, etc) are more than likely going to have reservations about bringing him into a situation where he’d be highly scrutinized.
Agree, but if the phillies lockup hamels, then greinke automatically becomes the top of the pack, and you got a new 100M man.
Have a feeling Sanchez will be looked at with more demand than Grienke and not trying to dice on grienke at all here. Sanchez also has very good stuff/velocity and once he finally has overcame the arm troubles since coming to the Fish in the Ramirez deal, has been a rock in the rotation and more stable from start to start.
Also think he will not be looking for anywhere near 5/100m as a floor type contract.. Just wish Beinfest would hurry up and lock him up LT before the season is over.
last 3 years xFIP/IP
Sanchez Grienke
4.58/86.0 3.09/229.1
4.04/195.0 3.60/220.0
3.25/196.1 2.56/171.2
I beg to differ about your feeling, no way sanchez gets more attention, money or years than grienke.
More attention because of the seemingly high demands of grienke is what thought my post implied and Sanchez, have a strong feeling can be had for 12-14mAAV and probably no more than 4 seasons as have been saying for months if the Fish do not lock him up.. Have also been saying that for months.
Neither is a true #1 in any sense of the word. Sanchez has been thrust into that role with JJ hurt the last 2 seasons so often, but really is not and Grienke has had issues since going to the NL. Over the last 2 years, Sanchez has done as well as Grienke overall, or since recovering from his latest major arm surgery and for what would look like the contract demands of Grienke (am guessing of course) 100m and 5 seasons vs 4-5Y and 12-14mAAV? Which would a team likely wish to target? Sanchez has done a very admirable job filling in as the go to guy with the Fish and yes.. I may like him a whole lot also, watching many of his starts as a Marlins fan, only this guy, for at least 1/3 less would seem to be quite a bargain for a solid #2SP.
Greinke has produced 9 WAR over hte last two seasons to Sanchez’s 8.2, so I guess it’s fairly close. Still, Greinke has had no major arm issues while Sanchez had had a torn labrum I believe.
I get what you’re saying, but there’s a reason Greinke is being looked at as a $20 million/yr type guy and Sanchez isn’t. I’m also not sure what “issues” you’re referring to in terms of Greinke coming to the NL.
” I’m also not sure what “issues” you’re referring to in terms of Greinke coming to the NL.”
Grienke went to the weakest division in baseball and an NL one at that and his numbers have done nothing but regress the last 2 years.
There is few people thinking Sanchez will be after nearly as much as grienke and that if he was willing to settle for a fair contract, he would have already settled with the brewers as many times as they have talked.
Sanchez has had more than labrum surgery also, but TJ and several other various arm problems prior to the last 2 seasons.
How so?
He led the league in K/9 and 10.5 and continued to have excellent control. His xFIP was a career-best at 2.56 and he posted the highest groundball rate of his career.
still plenty of spenders left.
Theres always someone who will pay for a good arm
Somebody had to be the extension party pooper
C’mon Zack, everyone else is doing it. You don’t want to be left out, do you?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Greinke ends up in Dodger Blue for 100/5. Or maybe even more. The Dodgers are going to want to prove to everybody that they are serious about contending and spending, and the list of available pitching studs in 2012 is getting shorter; Cain is gone, and I don’t think Philly will let Hamels slip away.
A career 115 ERA+ and 77-73 record makes you an elite pitcher?
He had one great year. Show me another season he had that says ace.