SATURDAY, 12:20pm: The D'Backs have let other teams know they're willing to trade Upton for the right package, reports ESPN's Buster Olney. "They wouldn't be pushing it this hard in the middle of the year unless they really wanted him out of there," said one official. Olney hears that the situation reminds teams of the Rockies and Ubaldo Jimenez last summer.
FRIDAY, 7:23pm: Rosenthal tweets that the teams on Upton's limited no-trade clause are unknown. He was able to block deals to the Royals, Tigers, Athletics, and Mariners back in 2010 but the list has since changed.
6:59pm: The Diamondbacks are currently 39-43 and seven games out in the NL West, and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that they would consider trade offers from Justin Upton if they fall further out of contention. They will target a third baseman if they instead move closer to contention.
Rosenthal says GM Kevin Towers is open to any type of deal, meaning they could buy, sell, or make a veteran-for-veteran swap that helps now. Upton has been involved in trade rumors before, specifically during the 2010-2011 offseason. The 24-year-old has hit just .266/.348/.378 with seven homers this year after placing fourth in the MVP voting last season. He's under contract through 2015 for approximately $41.9MM and is the type of player that will draw interest from every other team in the league if available.
Wish Cincy had the prospects to give for him he’d look nice in LF and hitting cleanup.
We could if we want to sell the rest of the farm. Something like Billy Hamilton (SS, #1 Reds prospect), Daniel Corcino (SP, #2 Reds prospect), Todd Fraizer (3B), and Kyle Lotzkar? (SP). I’m having trouble picking a 4th, but they may be able to pry LHP Tony Cingrani (SP) over Lotzkar. Cingrani is already at AA in his 2nd year and has a sub 2 ERA at every level.
That’s insanity. No way I trade Hamilton, Corcino, Cingrani and or Lotzar and Frazier for one guy no matter who it is. One thing I’ve noticed – the guy who gets the package almost always wins these trades, especially in the longer look at things.
Sorry I’m trying to be realistic. I’m not low balling like most proposals.
I wouldn’t call it insanity.
You have to remember that Upton’s contract will last till the end of the 2015 season. At that time, Upton will be at the prime age of 27. Also, the last two seasons represent free agency years; at $14.5m a year, he only needs 3 WAR per season to generate surplus value.
I think the exchange of value in the Tropher’s trade suggestion is fair.
That being said, it wouldn’t make sense for the Reds to go grab him right now since it literally bankrupt their farm. It’s like buying a nice BMW for $30,000. Good price, but should you get it? For the Reds right now, it’s a NO to Upton.
*sidenote:
I’m really disliking Votto’s contract extension. Even if the signing took place this coming off-season, I’m pretty sure Votto would have agreed to terms around 8yrs/$184m with a club option for 9yrs to push the total value to $202.5m.
Now the Reds have very little financial flexibility.
Thanks for agreeing on the proposal.
But for the Votto thing, you are penny pinching. We’re fine with the deal in Cincy because that means another star won’t be jumping ship. He is a Red for life. We have to live with the deal that is made. If you look at his season this year he is more than starting to pay off for the lower production back years of his contract right now.
Cam Maybin, Andrew Miller Burke Badenhop Dallas Trahern Mike Rabelo and Eulogio DelaCruz disagree
Yeah lol I’m content with keeping them guys over Upton.
cubs
Great.. Now every yoo-hoo here (not quite) will be coming up with absurd proposals for the decent Upton to Boston…
It’s going to get wild now.
Upton for Crawford and Beckett!! No way the Dbacks could turn down a stud leadoff hitter and an ace.
horrible trade for the DBacks. Beckett’s never pitched for a team not on the East Coast. now Crawford and Lackey, there’s an offer they couldn’t refuse….
Think that “Billy” poster was having a “Billy Martin” moment and was over indulging on that stuff martin was noted to get drunk off of his goard on when they made that post.. Just ignore it in other words…
*whoosh*
I do believe that was….sarcasm 😉
you just got double sarcasmed
Feel bad, just a absurd as the Felix proposals.
To Boston for Lars Anderson and Anthony Ranaudo, amirite?
🙁 When u even jump in? The ship has gone down, along with survivors. LOL
Couldn’t resist.
“Yeah, I really like Cecchini. He may never make the majors (tons of stuff can go wron between A ball and the majors),”
Other place was getting hard to read was so small..
Cecchini reminds me of a Carney Lansford with speed from what have read and few videos have seen. Am hoping MiLB package next year will have Portland games broadcast, or at least Portland will have a schedule like Pawtucket does so getting it will be worth the cost.
Am looking forward to seeing Cecchini, Barnes, bogaerts etc.. on a near daily basis.
Yeah. It’s over an hour to drive there for me, but if all those guys are in Portland next year (and I think they should be), I’ll be making that trip a lot.
How about Cecchini for Cecchini
It’s going to get confusing in a couple of years everywhere and here when people start wondering how Gavin got to Boston and Garin got to NY. LOLOL
i hear boston suddenly has 3 top 50 prospects…..
srsly though can’t think of a way this could happen without bogaerts and that would really sting
but having justin upton’s right-handed bat in the lineup and defense in right field would be strong medicine
Would cost literally “the farm” and think they could sign Ross, who of course isn’t the dynamic player as Upton for a fraction of what Upton’s salary is and not have to give up anyone either. Couple year deal at 2 10-14m would fill the RF hole pretty decent and save the system.
Yeah but, but, but Justin Upton!
ross is a fraction of the player. a small fraction. upton is the player your very best prospect has a 10% chance of becoming. and he’s still only 24
it also wouldn’t cost the entire farm anymore. prior to last year, sure. even at the beginning of this year. but now, with only 3 years left on his contract and in the middle of a down season, he will only cost, like, 3/4 the farm
plus if we buy today they’ll include a free magic bullet blender
” ross is a fraction of the player. a small fraction. upton is the player your very best prospect has a 10% chance of becoming.”
Oh, I very well understand that. he is (talent wise) what Ells was in 2011, but is he worth 1 of the ‘big 3″ and a couple for more the other “A types” it would certainly cost? if that is the case, why not just dial up Boras and tell him they will give Ells 7/140m like they didd CC and forget all about Upton? then they can wait another year for bradley to prove even more what a stud he is and include him in a deal for a top SP?
Yep, Bogaerts is the one guy that would make me pause. Barnes or Bradley I could live with though.
I say try to make a deal centered around Middlebrooks. They need a 3B pretty bad, and he can help them immediately (most of their pitching will be up soon, and they might prefer someone else who is ready/close to ready instead of someone like Bogaerts who is still 2+ years away). If Upton is in RF I’d be more than fine handing 3B to Aviles and sticking Iglesias at SS.
interesting. middlebrooks and lavarnway is a solid start
thanks daniel bard for killing your trade value
Seriously, his trade value being down right now is even worse than the fact that he has completely fallen apart and put Boston down 1 very good pitcher.
I’m not sure about Lavarnway now that they have Montero locked up though. I mean, talent is talent, and one or the other could always be moved in a separate trade, but they’d probably be looking for something that was a better fit for their team. I’m not exactly sure who that “better fit” would be though; an outfielder maybe since Upton would be leaving a hole out there? If only Kalish were currently showing the promise he had before the injury – Brentz may not have quite the value Lavarnway does but maybe he’s a better fit?
forgot they extended montero
guess it’s middlebrooks, bradley, and some B prospects
just to be clear, though, there is no chance boston would do that. right or wrong, they committed to middlebrooks at third
Yeah, I know. I can dream though (actually I think they should do it).
absolutely. try to get a C+ish prospect out of someone for ross, let iglesias be a designated fielder, and enjoy
ellsbury
pedroia
gonzalez
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upton
crawford
Exactly. And I know Boston apparently disagrees with me, and scouts mostly disagree with me at this point, but I’m still a little skeptical of Middlebrooks. I don’t doubt that he’ll be an above average hitter overall, and he’s always been heralded as a plus fielder, but I’m still not convinced that he wont strike out too much to carry a respectable average/OBP, and I don’t know that he’ll hit for enough power to make up for it in order to be anything more than a solid average regular at 3B.
If he proves me wrong (and I hope he does) he could very well be a pretty regular All-Star, and with the way he has started I think he has value like someone who can be that, so I’d be all for trading him while he has that value rather than hanging on to him and hoping he really is that. Especially if the return is Upton…
Another reason to hang onto Cecchini.. Fallback for Middlebrooks, though he is at least 2 seasons away and we still don’t know if Bogaerts is going to end up at either 3b, or a corner OF by the time it’s all said and done.
Yeah, I really like Cecchini. He may never make the majors (tons of stuff can go wron between A ball and the majors), but I like his potential a lot.
More doubles power than home run power, but high average, high OBP, decent defense, and can steal bases.
Or, you know what, maybe Middlebrooks, Bradley, and a couple mid-level guys.
admittedly irrational when it comes to justin upton, but i would gladly skip the playoffs this year if it meant acquiring him
Completely agree.
It doesn’t hurt that this is looking less and less like a playoff caliber team by the day anyway, but I would agree even if that weren’t the case.
I don’t see them trading him. He’s their star player, and he’s in a down year, so they wouldn’t get as much for him as they would if he was playing well.
Seriously, I hate being a Dbacks fan for this very reason. Every time we fall a little out of contention the FO goes into “Blow It Up” mode. Imagine if the Dodgers gave away Kemp after his poor 2010….
Its less about his poor season and more about his discontent with the ownership and the fans in my opinion
Upton to Pittsburgh for Tabata, Locke, Hanrahan, and Polanco
Not enough.
not even close. Cole, marte, and more.
Upton isn’t worth Cole. Would do great in Pittsburgh but not worth giving up a top pitching prospect except maybe Taillon.
24 year old thats underperforming, and if he can pull it together hell be worth it, hes controllable at a solid price. more of a sure thing.
First of all, you’re way undervaluing Taillon if you want to put him in a category where he’s somehow the only top pitching prospect that would be worth giving up for Upton. Cole is the more valuable of the two but Javier’s proposal probably isnt that far off. If the D-Backs are really motivated sellers, you might be able to get him a little cheaper but you’re still probably talking about Taillon, Grossman, & Locke…probably a bit more, too.
they would want Tallion and Cole in that deal which Im sure with the way Pittsburg is now they would love too keep those prospects and have a godly rotation in 3 years.Tallion has Verlander potential
Upton for Upton 🙂
Kate Upton, right? I’d accept that deal. 😉
Yes. From behalf of all Dbacks fans.
Any day of the year.
Well the d-backs DID really want d’Arnaud…
before they locked up Montero
And d’Arnaud tore his knee and will be out the next 6 weeks too, let’s not forget that!
Plus they drafted Stryker Trahan as their #1 draft pick, catching seems to be off their priority list right now.
we’ll send JP Arencibia in a D’arnaud jersey
you will send d’arnaud and you will like it
Upton to detroit for Castellanos, Fields, Garcia, and Crosby
Id do it. He’s having a down offensive year, but he’s still hitting 30 points higher than either of the Tigers’ corner OF. He’s a HUGE upgrade over young. Faster. Better defensively. More of a presence in the lineup. I hope DD at least calls on him.
Probably add one of the catchers (Brantly?) and add a reliever going to Detroit.
Dbacks dont really need a catcher after extending montero
I agree, they probably would want a pitching prospect rather than a catcher because they signed montero for what? 6 years or something like that?
the dbacks are pitching-ritch; they’ll want position players
never have too much pitching. If they could get a B+ pitching prospect or a B/B- hitter, it would be stupid not to go with the pitcher.
For God sakes DD, make this deal happen!
Might be able to pull it off with Castellanos, Turner, Crosby, Rondon, Fields/Garcia
But is he worth gutting the system(in as sad a shape as its in). Then his contract is up close to when JV and Cabrera’s are… And I already doubt we keep both JV and Miggy
At this point, the Tigers ought to take the risk. White Sox aren’t going anywhere with Youkilis resurging, Chris Sale emerging as a Cy Young candidate, and all of (Peavy, Dunn, Rios, Beckham) seemingly returning to form. However, the White Sox have an even worse farm system, so you know they are going for it all this season as well. Keep in mind that this is all coming from a Detroit fan that lives in Chicago. Similarly, it won’t be long before Kansas City is a force in the division. Might come as early as next season when Hosmer figures it out and Wil Myers is called up. The Indians have the necessary pieces to continue to be a pest also. The Twins may be down now, but they are a smart organization and will figure it out, even if it takes them the next 2-3 seasons to do so.
Upton would be the absolute catalyst the Tigers need for the
2-hole that could both hit for power to drive in speedsters like Austin Jackson and Quintin Berry/Andy Dirks (batting ninth in this scenario) that can get on base 37-40% of the time, or be driven in by Miguel Cabrera or Prince Fielder, who similarly can reach base 40% of the time. Upton would not be intentionally walked like he is in Arizona and see tons of pitches to hit hitting in front of Cabrera and Fielder.
Even if Verlander, MCab, and Upton all leave for free agency around the same time, they could still be able to rebuild the farm system from the draft picks that they acquire. They would also have a lower payroll for the lesser performance that would predictably follow if they lost some or all of these players and had no farm system to fill the vacancies. But hypothetically, if they win a championship with JV, Upton, and MCab, besides if they get better contract offers, why wouldn’t these players want to return to Detroit and do it again? All three would still be young enough to do it.
The AL Central has basically been a contradiction this year. Everything, literally everything is going right for the ChiSox this year while the Tigers are the exact opposite
I totally agree with your entire statement. No one throws down $214 million on 1 player without being perfectly willing to detonate the entire farm system if it gave his team a better shot at a title. This trade would.
Almost everything went wrong for the White Sox last season.
That’s karma for you. Totslly suck one year and get every single break possible the next.
The wheels could come off the Sox at anytime, though. Relying on Peavy and Sale to put up strong second halves due to injury history and youth is asking alot. The offense is solid though, and adding Youkilis was smooth.
Really….I see a lot of teams out there that have question marks. Everyone’s pitching seems to be hanging by a thread…even contenders…seems like no one has a solid rotation. Teams seem to be cobbling together a 1-2 starter and then running an 8 man rotation of MLB starters and AAA guys behind them.
Upton isn’t worth that much, you probably could get it done with Turner, Castellanos and a B level guy in the low minors.
worth giving up castellanos and turner for sure, I think.
mmore like turner and castellanos, and more.
Dbacks have no use for Turner though. They already have Skaggs, Bradley, and Bauer in the minors and you add that to Kennedy, Hudson, Miley, etc. They’d be better off passing on turner and adding more to the deal
garcia and…boesch?
As we saw with the Pineda/Montero trade this past off season, top starting pitching prospects can be spun for top hitting prospects… So getting Turner who is a valuable asset still makes sense.
Angels have no use for Bryce Harper yet im sure we would still want him. Talent is Talent no matter if you need it or not.
Torri Hunter and Vernon wells + mad cash… and ill throw in izzy and a lower prospect….
I can dream right?
If I can dream of him replacing Stubbs then yeah you can dream too!
Stubbs is lost!
Based on the history of the Haren trade this is not out of the question.
They got Tyler Skaggs out of the Haren deal, a top 10-20 prospect currently and other guys.
Haren trade is a perfect example of an excellent deal for both sides. What was wrong with it?
you can dream just like I can of the Mets ever winning the Ws again
Braves aren’t really an option or maybe as an alternative option for CF. Take advantage that his value is down
Brace yourselves. Ridiculous fan made trade proposals are forthcoming.
Ryan Raburn, Inge’s old jersey, a Little Ceasars franchise, and Andy Oliver (see, a prospect)
Lol
Angels have a lot of outfielders but I’ll throw out my nonsense proposal anyways.
Cron + Segura + Richards + another prospect
and then play him at 3B? good plan!
it can happen! I’m going under the assumption that Trumbo will play LF and Trout will be in CF for years to come, Bourjos will be traded and Wells will be released or traded somehow. And Hunter is done after the season. Just a dream!
Bucs should try. they need a bat
The only two teams where this trade would make sense are the Buc and Jays. It comes down to what prospects they will need to give away… … …
Upton for Ellsbury, Ceechini, and Raunado?
Ellsbury has no trade value to a team out of contention.
Towers said he would be open to any kind of deal, so Ellsbury still has some serious value.
Please tell me what kind of value an oft injured player represented by Scott Boras and is about to hit free agency has.
about 10 WAR last year
(jk i agree with you)
Yeah, Ellsbury wouldn’t make sense from Boston’s perspective. He doesn’t have anywhere near the value he could/should have, so it would be a massive sell low, and you wouldn’t be able to actually center the deal around him (it would still take a top prospect or two plus Ellsbury).
Even if he was healthy…I’m sure the Diamondbacks are more interested in prospects under team control for years to come not guys about to hit free agency and get paid big bucks.
Yeah, I didn’t mean just his health. He’s getting more expensive, he’s getting close to free agency, and he hasn’t had a chance to show that last year was anything more than a fluke, so he’s no where near as valuable in a trade as he is to Boston on their roster.
he has 2 or 3 years of arb. left…
One actually. He’s a free agent after next season.
6 games back and it’s not even the All-Star Break yet? And with a struggling Dodger ballclub, and two Wild Cards, they sure are out of contention all right.
I really do not think Upton would be a dump trade, but rather he has worn out his welcome and they very well seek MLB players in the deal too. They also have enough OF depth that they could get by without Upton. Add a good 3B and they are set at the MLB club…
I can see why he blocked the M’s our ball park is pretty terrible to hit in but i wouldn’t want him anyways he is pretty terrible until he goes on a streak not very consistent and he has been struggling mightly and being booed by his own fans.
What would the DBacks be looking for other than 3B?
The article says that they would look for a 3B IF they moved closer to contention. Not that they are trying to trade Upton for a 3B.
headley and prospects for upton, if only.
oop nevermind looked at uptons stats-headleys hitting better.
I’d trade Headley + for Upton in a heartbeat. His current numbers are not indicative of the kind of player he is.
i would 2, its mainly the prospects that would be the deal breaker for me (not by much), which most likely would have to be included. Uptons and Headleys numbers are pretty similar with the exception of his avg. and strikeouts. Perfect time to trade for Upton if available seeing as his numbers are a little low compared to his average numbers. If the Dbacks include lower end prospects (like a bullpen arm) as well then yeah i would do it. Upton and Quentins bat in the same lineup would be pretty scary.
I’d give up some good prospects along with Headley for Upton. I still think he turns into a star. Who would you be afraid of giving up? The one guy that would be a deal breaker for me is Grandal.
I’d hold onto Gyorko and Grandal.
Obviously Gyorko would be off the table if we’re trading Headley. Agreed.
Liriano for me, but i wouldn’t exactly be mad if we bring Upton to SD-just real uneasy. Liriano gives me hope of a SD version of mike trout.
Not sure such a deal would make a whole lot of sense for the Padres. Upton will make $13m/year over the next 3 seasons, Headley is under team control over the next 2 seasons. So the Padres only get an additional year, and they add payroll. I think, if they move Headley, they’d be looking more long-term (prospects), without adding to payroll.
This has been up for over an hour and notsureifsrs hasn’t commented yet? You’re slippin’ man.
had to change my pants
I literally laughed out loud at this.
Now that notsureifrs has a clean set of pants on (!?) a full day again to think about Upton and even the greater minds at ESPN have commented on the subject… What is going on here? Are the DBacks having a firesale?
This is getting downright scary and am getting worried that Cherington might actually get involved with “our” precious trio (Barnes, Bogaerts, Bradley) in some kind of deal here..
Since started out this thread knocking it and always akin to not making proposals.. Am still not gonna’, but will say this.. I could see Cherrington possibly including Bradley **alone** in that top 3 of untouchables and would be willing to include lesser tier people.. Jacobs/Brentz types, but NOT Cecchini’s in any deal period.
I don’t know what the deal is exactly. It kinda sounds like he wants out (and who would blame him after what the owner said?).
I would be willing to let just about anyone go in a deal for Upton (I would personally only hesitate when it came to Bogaerts). I honestly doubt that Cherington pulls off a deal for anyone of consequence at the deadline, as much as I would love to see Upton in a Boston uniform.
Another thing to think about is a deal involving Bradley would probably make resigning Ellsbury a lot more likely. Make of that what you will… (I would LOVE an outfield of Crawford, Ellsbury, and Upton, but I wonder/worry about the deal Ells could get)
Barnes is probably the real SP that they have right now for the future and why they wouldn’t want to move him. Bogaerts? Somebody comes calling and who are they going to ask for 1st… Yep… Try to make them settle for bradley and then more of the “other” A types. The Brentz’s, Jacobs, Henry Owens maybe as a SP to satisfy them. Maybe even give them Iglesias as a SS and allow them to move Drew in another deal.
I dunno. Don’t like making these things because prospectives are always different, but do not think Boston would under any circumstances move more than 1 of “the big 3”.
I doubt that they would move more than one of them either, but in the right deal they’d at least have to consider it. Prospects are great, but when you have a chance to get a proven guy like that, who is that young and has that much potential, you can’t just write of the idea without considering it.
Barnes would be tough to give up, I agree, but I think they could make a deal happen without including him because AZ has so much high upside pitching in their system already, so they wouldn’t be pushing for it as hard as some other teams might. Plus, with a full rotation locked up for the next 2-3 years, Boston could be okay with moving him in the right deal (again, it would hurt, and I think they would rather move someone else, but it wouldn’t kill them to move him for the right player).
Upton’s value is down, has some swing issues. May be something for St Louis to target IMO.
Still will take a kings ransom. still young.
why would St. Louis need him? Beltran in right Jay in center and Holliday in left, i dont see a need for an upgrade anywhere, nor do i think he is an upgrade
He is a huge upgrade over John Jay… but its not going to happen. Cardinals need pitching.
i would rather have jays speed and defense over the ever slumping upton any day
Plus you have Craig who can play OF (although not well) once Berkman/Carpenter are playing 1B. I agree it doesn’t make sense for the Cards. People want to hate on Jon Jay, but a .300 average would put him in any OF in baseball.
NO way are the Reds trading Billy Hamilton, Corcino, Cingrani or Stephenson.. Untouchable prospects, Grandal never should have left last year
You can’t live for the future every year.
Then they’re not getting him.
Upton proly for a decent 3b, roberts has had a down year, and maybe throw in a releiver and a starter, maybe the phillies, they have said that they are listening to offers for Cole Hamels, and they have a possible 3b in Michael Martinez, and maybe throw in a prospect for the bullpen
lmao, just stop, the package for upton would be 2 A prospects and a B and C. at minimum.
Gose, Syndergaard, Sierra, Cooper (and more, if necessary)…
I like Upton a lot, but wouldn’t you rather see the Jays deal pieces for a starter?
Not really, were not in contention this year, so Upton could solve our LF problem for next year and our eventual RF problem when Bautista moves to 1st.
Upton, Rasmus, Bautista would be a stellar outfield once Morrow, Hutch and Romero finally get past their respective obstacles. And who knows Rogers may open up the vaults and spend to get some quality FA pitcher (Hamels *fingers crossed)
If Travis Snider, AJ Jimenez, Syndergaard and a guy like Matt Dean/Hawkins/Kellen Sweeney could get it done then that would be great.
I do honestly think Snider could destroy in Arizona ala Aaron Hill and really needs a change of scenery while taking over Uptons spot on the big league team right now.
Upton and Drew for Z Lee, Gordon, Reed, Gould. I know not enough, not much talent for the dodgers.
This is the ONLY player I would give Castellanos up for if I’m DD.
The protection he’d get in the lineup from Cabrera and Fielder might bring out the MVP in him again.
Castellanos, Crosby, Boesch to Arizona, and Justin Upton to Detroit.
To clarify, my reasoning for throwing Boesch in the deal would be to not only give the D-backs an immediate cheap team-controlled RF replacement, a change of scenery might wake his bat up too.
Id do that one too
Arizona probably wouldn’t though, that’s just what I’d offer. They’d definitely want Turner too in any deal.
You’re right
I’m guessing you’re looking at Turner, Castellanos, Crosby, Rondon, and Garcia/ Fields
They don’t need Boesch, they have Kubel, Young and Parra
I agree, Castellanos is worth Upton because they would get 3 seasons out of Upton at only 5MM more than what they are paying Delmon Young.
Viciedo, Trayce Thompson, and O-Dog for Upton and bullpen arm.
lmao, not even close.
Remove the O-Dog add in Axelrod, Morel and possibly even Sale they might listen. But listen only.
Sale has another 4 or 5 full seasons of team control at league minimum and arbitration rates while Upton has 3 full seasons of team control at $38.5m (~$13m annually).
As a non-biased observer, I think the Dbacks would have to seriously consider a deal for Upton that revolved around Sale, not just listen.
the O-Dog? why on earth would anyone want him let alone a team who is out of contention?
Why reach for an underachiever like Upton when you have Viciedo playing pretty damn well so early on…..And you throwing in Orlando Hudson is hilarious….but not really
I thought the O-Dog was cut and retired from baseball…
Considering what the expected return would be for Upton, I don’t see any “big market” team with the farm system to acquire him and not take a 2-3 year hit on their homegrown development. Arizona would ask the moon for him, as well they should. If Towers were to get anything less than 2 A+ position prospects and a couple of high-ceiling arms, it would be a lose-lose. If you’re willing to take a 2-3 year hit on your farm system, I’m sure the D-Backs would listen.
As much as I’d love to see him in Pittsburgh, if the Pirates called and offered any deal that didn’t start with the word “Cole”, Towers should hang up the phone immediately.
As a Pirates fan, I’m not interested at that price.
I’m not so sure that they would need to include Cole to get it done. A package headlined by three of Taillon, J. Bell, Marte and Hanson seems like a fair starting point. And it would still leave Pitt with its top two prospects (assuming Appel signs of course). Not that this is a reflection on the wisdom of the Pirates selling the farm, but I believe it could be done without Cole.
I Think this is a trade Toronto would make, and could potentially beat nearly everyone on. Some of those deals I’ve seen with like 3-4 of teams top prospects are unlikely. Likely 2 of the top 4 from a good farm and 3 of the top 10 and a B prospect should be a good price. However more teams being involved could drive up the price. In AA we trust.
Can Upton pitch?
Who needs pitching when you can win 10-9 and 9-8 ballgames.
I wonder what his trade value is right now. I would be somewhat interested in him, but the Upton brother strike me as guys who don’t always play up to their talent levels. I think Justin Upton can shake off this season and have many great ones, but I’m not sure I would want to gamble away the multiple top prospects it would probably take to get him.
I’d imagine if Pittsburgh was in on him, they would need to offer Marte and Taillon, or possibly Cole, along with second tier prospects. I’m not sure that would be in the best interest of the team. Marte has the potential to win batting titles and gold gloves in the field with Cutch for many years. I surely wouldn’t trade Cole for him but I’d think hard about Taillon. It’s tough to project a high school arm who is still a little raw, and if they sign Appel, I would probably be comfortable with trading him.
If Taillon and Presley/Tabata along with two other 5-10 prospects, I’d probably pull the trigger.
the thing with Jup is he plays hard every single play, you can never take that from him, but he tries to do too much. Someone needs to tell him its ok for him to hit 15 hrs a season, just get on base. He wants/thinks hes a 40 hr guy, some of these swings this season hurt my back. dude could be a .315 20hr 90 rbi 100 run 30 sb guy every year if he wanted to be. but he wants to try to swing with the big boys instead.
Matt Harvey, Wilmer Flores, Rafael Montero, Matt Den Dekker and Cory Vaughn for Upton?
Braves. Minor and terdoslavich for upton? Put him in left and put prado at 3rd
Mike Minor= new Felix Pie. Throw him in every trade proposal and be dumfounded when the other team won’t accept the trade offer.
even as a Braves fan this is laughable. DBacks would want Bethancourt + one of Vizcaino, Teheran or two of Minor, Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill, Lipka. I don’t think it makes sense for the Braves for what they’d have to give up.
Are we thinking of the same Minor? He has potential, actually he’s one of my favorites, sadly the talks start with Teheran.
The Jays are 2nd in runs scored. I don’t think they need Upton, unless the D’Backs will still take Drabek and Snider for him 😉
Not this again!!!
How about we stop the ridiculous proposals because he isnt going anywhere. Been there and done that, last time they were “shopping” him he heard the news and took it personally and broke out after that! Look for a second half tear and AZ getting back into the WC race.
Gotta admire D-Backs fans’ spirit when it comes to this season. You guys should get rewarded by keeping Justin Upton and hiring Kate Upton to be your field reporter 😉
upton is gone. Kendrick wants him gone, the fans want him gone and he shot off his mouth so no going back. Dbacks need 3rd base or SP with experience.
Yankees – Upton Dempsey and Wellington Castillo
Cubs – betances, Nunez, warren, collmentor, r santana
Arizona – banuelos, Austin, g Sanchez, vitters, nova
Why are the Yankees giving up everyone of value in their system?
Cubs would be greedy and would like Banuelos instead.
I agree why are the yankees giving up everyone? first off they wouldnt give up banuelos,austin,sanchez, and nova for Upton and his contract when their trying to get under 189 million and starting 2014 upton is due 14 million a year in 2014 and 2015. sure as hell wouldnt give up betances,nunez,warren and santana for dempster. maybe garza but not dempster.
Remember 2 offseasons ago there was talk that Red Sox wanted to trade for Upton. Maybe those talks will resurface…
If only the Red Sox had some really good 3B prospect that may end up blocked by a veteran… Oops!
with what 3B? remember they trade youk and now middlebrooks is their 3B. now if they were not so quick to trade him then that would be something to look at. but now wont happen
I doubt that a 3B is a prerequisite to making a deal with AZ; it only makes sense to get the most talent offered regardless of what position that talent plays.
But, going with the 3B theme for a minute: It’s highly unlikely that they trade Middlebrooks, so don’t think I’m trying to say I think it will happen, but Aviles is probably better suited for 3B than SS (despite his surprisingly good defensive stats at SS this year), so it wouldn’t be unreasonable to move him over the 3B and put Iglesias at SS, especially if it means adding someone of Upton’s caliber.
They also have Cecchini who is a fairly highly regarded 3B prospect, and who has a pretty high ceiling, and Bogaerts who is a SS right now, but is universally seen as a 3B in the future and is one of the top prospects in the game.
Not really criticizing the Sox there, more just wondering out loud how this situation might change if they’d hung on to Youkilis and had Middlebrooks to offer up.
I wouldn’t blame you for criticizing them. I didn’t like trading Youkilis at the time (and said so on multiple occasions), and I like it a whole lot less now.
Wasn’t Towers a Special Assistant to Ca$hman a year or two ago? Probably knows their system pretty well and may prefer to deal with them. Yanks are looking for a right fielder to replace Swisher, so it sounds like it could match up. The $$ they would consider give to Swisher in an extension now just goes to Upton. At 24 and some years of control, I’d be good with a rather large group of Yankee farmhands heading to the desert.
Tigers? Propose a deal around Nick Castellanos, Jacob Turner?
It could prob be done, but the real question is do you wanna gut the farm system… Weak as it already is… And then have Miggy, jv, and Upton all scheduled to hit FA Around the same time… While still paying Fielder 20+ a year
Having JV, Upton, and Miggy all scheduled to hit free agency around the same time could be an argument FOR trading for him as well.
If JV, Miggy, and Upton, all hit free agency by then and the Tigers haven’t won it all, take all that money, lower payroll, and rebuild through all the draft picks they acquire from the 3 of them leaving.
I know Detroit is a “contend every year” type of team but the clearest window is now. Upton would fit perfectly as the #2 hitter with power that they need.
you wouldn’t want to sign early-thirties cabrera and verlander anyway. upton will be 27
exactly, and with both Cabrera and Verlander gone, they could definitely afford to at least sign Upton long-term, even if they can’t afford all three.
Terdoslavich gilmartin minor for upton. Then Teheran Delgado pastornicky for greinke. I can only dream.
If you give us Teheran and Minor you can have Garza and DeJesus
I am a Braves fan and you would have to dream pretty darn hard for those trades go through.
Plus, where would Upton even play this year? You don’t mind sitting Bourn/Prado/Heyward to get equal production from Upton?
Next year…move Prado to third and then we are talking.
It would have to read Terdoslavich, Gilmartin, Minor, Teheran, Delgado and Pastornicky for Upton. Even that probably isn’t enough.
Matt Harvey + Wilmer Flores + Lucas Duda + Rafeal Montero + Cory Vaughn
2 A prospects, an immediate major league replacement power part, a plus arm to keep an eye on, and another outfield prospect with bigtime power.
move Duda to LF, the Mets won’t trade Duda.
The Tigers ought to make a blockbuster move for Justin Upton, Joe Saunders, and Stephen Drew. Start Upton in LF/RF, Saunders would pencil in nicely as #3-4 starter, and move Stephen Drew to 2b.
As much as I value farm system depth, I’d be ok with the Tigers giving up the farm in order to facilitate this deal. It has the potential to solve the majority of the Tigers’ problems in one foul swoop. People seem to forget that Miguel Cabrera is only under contract thru 2015, the exact same year as Justin Upton’s contract runs through. Even scarier, Verlander is only under contract thru 2014. This teams window is clearly and obviously this season and the next 2 seasons thereafter.
Granted, it is known that Upton has a limited no-trade clause and Detroit is unfortunately on it. But given the fact that he has been booed at recent Dbacks’ games and he would now be playing and likely hitting in front of Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder, he might just consider waiving it.
If I were in Pirates management, I would place Cole and Tailion as untouchable. This is a new era of baseball my friends, when Ace pitching leads to MVP’s and World Series victories. Both Cole and Tailion have the ceiling of an ace pitcher within a few years.
Now if I were to offer a trade for Upton, I would reluctantly center a deal around Marte. Marte is going to patrol the outfield with Cutch for years to come and both Cutch and Marte will contend for batting titles. Since this is a win now season for the Pirates, which I am still slightly skeptical due to previous seasons as a Bucco’s fan, I would offer the D’Backs Starling Marte, Allen Hansen (whom many are considering the breakout prospect of the year), Matt Curry, Jeff Locke, and Victor Black.
Any thoughts?
Ross Detwiler, Corey Brown, Steve Lombardozzi, with Anthony Rendon as a PTBNL
Seattle should trade King Felix for him straight up
Yankees could use another bat in their line up.
Upton for Bourne! Win for both ATL and AZ.
Bourn is FA after this season. How is this a win for AZ? I’ll tell you. It’s not.
Who are the 3 top prospects Bourn is bringing along with him?
I wish MLB would allow teams to trade draft picks because we would see how ridiculous these trade proposals would get.
swisher replacement?
Cole and Taillon are 100% untouchable for the Pirates. Marte is about 80% untouchable. The deal is going to be for quantity going back to the D-Backs. I’ll start with Jose Tabata, who could start right away for them. 2 of the Indy lefties (Wilson, Locke, Owens) of their choosing can go. One of Hanson/Polanco, whoever they like more. If they need another sweetener, Rowland/ZVR/Cain can go as well. To have a decade OF of Cutch/Marte/JUp would be worth it.
I’m not so sure. We will know next week if Appel will sign – and that gives enough depth in the future ace department that it might be worth moving one in the right deal. …and if they ever were going to move one, it would need to be for a young superstar type player with years of control remaining – like an Upton or a Castro. Could be interesting.
Of course, if they could get a deal done without giving away any of their top prospects, even better – but that seems unlikely.
If you can have multiple future aces you don’t trade them.
Burjous, Segura and Richards for Upton?
Don’t know much about Justin since he’s on the west coast. Can he play Center? If so I’d love to see him here in DC. I’m sure he’d love being close to home too.
If the Nationals were going to acquire an Upton I would prefer it be Justin
How would that be a win for AZ? Bourne is a Free Agent at the end of the season. AZ is gonna want some prospects.
Crazy idea, Justin Upton for Hanley Ramirez.
Terrible deal for Dbacks.
Upton to the Mets for Jay Payton and Bruce Chen.
Oh wait, this isn’t 2001 and I’m not a Mets fan.
Ok…Upton for Zach Lee, Garrett Gould…ah never mind. Dbacks need position prospects and the Dodgers don’t have any.
Teheran tedoslavich and minor for upton.
Yeah this has Anthopolous written all over it if he is indeed available
Jays have an insane amount of talent down in the farm.. A possible deal would look like this
Gose/Marisnick (OF), Snider (OF), Hecheverria (SS), Syndergaard/nicolino/Norris (top SP prospects that are far away) and a filler or 2
They will ask for Lawrie. The conversation will then end.
Towers : how can I help you AA
AA: I want upton, what will it take?
Towers: Lets start with Lowrie and D’Arnaud (how ever his name is spelt)
AA: no lowrie is not going anywhere
Tower: Good bye! (Hangs up the phone)
Jays got plenty of prospects the D-Backs would love to get their hands on.. hopefully the whole need for a 3B isn’t a sticking point..
not like any other team has a young 3B to offer other than Detroit
Your really smart!
was that suppose to be funny?
When did the Blue Jays get Lowrie? Does he platoon with Brett Lawrie?
Betances stock has dropped in a huge way, and Banuelos is not a top 50 prospect at the moment. With his control issues, he looks like yet ANOTHER Yankee pitching prospect who will disappoint. Nunez is a utility INF, Nova is a back of the rotation starter, and Sanchez has positional questions and is far away. Any Yankee deal for Upton starts with Mason Williams, Banuelos, and 4-6 B+ prospects.
ummm what questions does sanchez have? everything i have heard is he is a good defensive catcher,with a good arm and good offensively….I agree about betances but banuelos may not be a ” top 50 ” prospect but alot of teams had been high on the kid. and i think you got the control issue mixed up,Betances is the one with control issues banuelos has been on the DL.
Nunez UTIL INF is not a bad thing. especially since their looking for someone who can play 3B and who can swing the bat. Nunez has been good offensively but his defense has been poor.
Nova is only a back of the rotation starter in the yankees rotation because he is 25 and has less experience then the rest of the rotation. but still has a 9-4 record with a 4.02 ERA. sorry to say thats better then what cahill is doing for the DBacks at the moment.
and any deal does not have to start with MAson Williams they do have another prospect in Tyler Austin who is actually doing better then williams in Single A ball.
I laugh at the “Yet Another” comment. I think people would be shocked to see how many Yankee pitchers have turned out better than expected. To call Nova a “back of rotation” guy seems a little shallow as well considering his age and the division/park/city he plays in.
However, that’s not to disagree with the fact that it would take a lot to get Upton. Something like Nova, Mason, Austin and Bichette might be realistic but the Yanks would be stupid to do that especially since pitching is an area we are lacking in as it is. Upton isn’t a major need for the Yanks thus what we give up should be in line and if it proves not enough then so be it.
Long term, Middlebrooks is probably the second or third best 3B prospect in the Red Sox system. Bogaerts is going to end up a third and is a much better prospect than Middlebrooks. I think Cecchini is better too, but he’s far away from the MLB so I’d probably take Middlebrooks right now…but in 2 years, he’ll probably be dealt anyways.
Middlebrooks is probably the most valuable 3B “prospect” in their system right now because he’s actually doing it in the big leagues, but I would agree that he is third best when it comes to upside/potential.
Bogaerts has more potential than anyone to come through Boston’s system since at least Hanley, and Cecchini profiles as a better all around player than Middlebrooks but he also likely has the highest risk to completely flame out of the three.
Are you really suggesting a Greinke for Upton swap or did I miss something? There is literally no chance the Dbacks trade years of cost controlled Upton for a few months of Greinke. No shot.
The O’s could give Machado, Parker Bidwell, Xavier Avery, and Brian Matusz. Then trade Schoop, Delmonico, and Tillman for Greinke.
Seattle can make this work. They have enough pieces in the farm and on the current roster to make this work.
1). James Paxton2). Michael Saunders3-5). B Prospects to fill in the rest neededIchiro isn’t getting any younger and no other outfielder on Seattle’s roster has solidified a spot, except gutierrez but he is always injured.
Here’s something a little bit out there:
Upton to TX for Cruz, Feliz, and a lower level prospect like Garcia or Odor.
Not sure if its an upgrade for Texas, but Nellie has been off this season and move to Texas where Justin doesn’t have to be the guy could help his numbers big time additionally giving the Rangers some extra insurance if Hamilton leaves.
Something to think about.
If only we had saved our prospects for this deal instead of Ubaldo last year. I wish we had the pieces to pull it off. Upton is still young and has already shown he can put up big numbers. I really hope the tigers don’t get hi.
what about Upton to the Giants?
Melky, Posey, Upton, Pablo is a pretty solid middle of the order and more than enough to win the pennant with their pitching.
Giants are to smart to take a slacker like Upton. Why do you think the 3rd place Dbacks want to dump him.
The Mets would be a solid fit for him. WAY too expensive though
The Diamondbacks are targeting a 3B, and the Rangers have a trade-chip in the minor leagues in the person of power hitting, Mike Olt.
Olt has plus-power and is known to carry a very good glove at 3B. The Rangers have various other prospects to put together a very legitimate trade offer (something along the lines of: 3B-Mike Olt, SP-Martin Perez, and 2-3 other promising prospects). If the Rangers want Upton (the Rangers should, considering that it is an almost foregone conclusion that they’re letting Josh Hamilton walk after the season), and if the Diamondbacks are truly willing to trade him, there’s a very good chance that Upton will be a Ranger. Only time will tell, and it will be interesting to see how this unfolds. Either way, it seems Upton could use a change of scenery.
I imagine they would prefer Andrus/Profar. They have a nice 3b prospect in Davidson but Chris Owings isn’t expected to stay at short.
Taveras is decent
I think a package of Jose Tabata, Rudy Owens, plus Jameson Taillon, Robbie Grossman and Gregory Polanco or Alen Hanson gets it done.
For a 24-year-old MVP candidate hell yes. You never know what prospects will be.
I really don’t think that is a terrible deal at all. The only one I would be hesitant on trading, and this may catch some flack, is Hanson. I think this kid has some real potential (not that the others don’t) and is possibly SS of the future for the big club. I think though you could get the deal done for Marte, Taillon, and one other player.
Me too but I’d try to hold onto Marte. With Marte in right, Cutch in center and Upton in left, look out. Also sandwich Alvarez between Cutch and Upton in the lineup and that’s a pretty formidable muscle at the plate.
“Olney hears that the situation reminds teams of the Rockies and Ubaldo Jimenez last summer.”
QUESTION:
Hadn’t Jimenez alienated his teammate(s) (Tolo, et al.) and made himself into something of a pariah in the clubhouse?
I’m not sure I understand why his situation is synonomous with Upton’s.
Has Upton done anything similar? Has he in some fashion disillusioned the Arizona fans, and/or his teammates, coaching staff, and front office?
On the contrary, hasn’t he played through some nagging injuries over the last 2 or 3 years (which usually ingratiates a player to his fanbase)? I think I recall something to that effect; but I might be wrong because I’m not privy to local D-backs news.
*** If anyone knows why Olney believes their (Jimenez and Upton) situations are similar, I would be interested to hear from you on the subject. ***
I dont think its quite that serious. Im in AZ and a diehard Dback fan. Upton is 24, and has been getting booed alot here recently, for not moving runners over etc. I guess he has heard some racial slurs in the outfield which is just horrible. I dont think hes alienating his teammates, but I think hes a little fed up with the AZ fans, and might be asking out.
Being a dbacks fan ill tell u for sure that the dbacks dont think theyre out of it. Pretty much all it would take to get upton is either a A++++ starting pitching prospect with an established 3b, or an Established SP- EXAMPLE Cole Hamels, Plus 2 or 3 plus prospects. Uptons value isnt based on this year, hes 24 a multiple all star, and is controlled rather cheaply for the next few years. but dbacks think we have a team to compete right now. Actually, they willllll want another RF or CF seeing as how Chris Young ( Justins Bff ) is also wearing out his welcome.