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youngcy
If I was Ramirez, I’d take the QO.
bobbie922
That is a magnificent picture of Aramis.
Jasonzx3
The nats
Make no sense as a team that would be interested. They are either going to try zimmerman(likely going to slide to first or play left with Harper in center) or go with rendon
Dynasty22
That still leaves third base open.
Jasonzx3
Not for the nats. Like I said they will either go with Zimmerman or rendon
Dynasty22
Zimmerman can’t throw from 3rd anymore. That’s why they moved from to LF and why the Nats will probably let LaRoache walk and move Zimmerman to 1B so that Harper, Span, and Werth can patrol the outfield. Sure, the Nats could move Rendon to 3B but I would think that they would some “thump” in their lineup, preferably from the right side. I’m not sure they could get a 2B who can do that.
formerdraftpick 2
He can throw better than Pedro Alvarez.
Metsfan93
Potential 2015 Nationals lineup which works: C, Ramos. 1B, Zimmerman. 2B, Rendon. SS, Desmond. 3B, Aramis. LF, Harper. CF, Span. RF, Werth. I don’t see the issue here.
tomymogo
The Carlos Beltran of 3B. He is still good.
LazerTown
$26MM/2 seems a bit light to me. He is essentially this winter’s Beltran, with better defense, but slightly worse bat. I would not be surprised to see him get 3 years, and top $40MM.
Metsfan93
I could see the comparison, but Aramis has missed more time recently than Beltran. They’re somewhat close offensively over their three years leading up to free agency (.288/.356/.503 for Beltran, .291/.352/.483 for Aramis) but Beltran had a better walk year offensively and was more consistently strong at the plate and healthier than Aramis. Ramirez is still decent defensively, but I think he compares more to Beltran when Beltran signed with St. Louis a few years ago, when Beltran had no compensation attached to his name at all and signed for 2/26. The QO gets cancelled out by market inflation, but I think 2/26 is reasonable. I don’t see Aramis as a markedly better option than three winters ago when he signed this 3/36 deal in the first place, and he’s obviously three years older, so I can’t see him topping the deal he’s coming off of. I see either a similar deal to what he just got (3/33-36) or a two-year deal in the 25-27 MM range.
oh Hal
I don’t think he wants to play 3 more years.
Nathan Boley
He doesn’t have to play three years, but he can still sign for three years in case he changes his mind. Better to have that fallback plan.
start_wearing_purple
If he goes on the open market I could see the Red Sox getting involved. He’d command a shorter contract.
DarthMurph
The Brewers have a fair amount of leverage here, but I’d like to see the Sox get involved especially if they use their second round pick on Shields. A third rounder shouldn’t be an issue on a two year deal.
youngcy
They lose the Comp B pick from the A’s. Probably top 75.
DarthMurph
Ah yes. I suppose that doesn’t change much regarding Ramirez unless he’s the top FA they sign.
Chris Koch
Is the top 10 draft pick protected if you sign two FAs? I thought it was 2nd rd but a second QO signing would cost the 1st rd?
DarthMurph
Nope, the 1st is protected.
youngcy
Sox have to decide or evaluate if Bogaerts a Major League SS. That would be my first concern. I am not impressed with him at that position. 3rd might be his calling.
Metsfan93
I think in the short-term Bogaerts can definitely handle SS. He’s probably going to project as a third baseman long-term, similar to the shift Hanley should be making right now, but for the duration of an A-Ram contract I think Bogaerts can handle short just fine.
Eric D.
Red Sox pick this guy up
VAR
They’re looking for a lefty, so that is unlikely.
Arndt Miles
would make sense for the mariners if he was willing to dh fulltime, but i doubt he would want to give up playing 3b
NoNeckWilliams
Aramis Ramirez is one of the worst post season players of all time.
bdpecore
Saying someone who hit 3 HR with 7 RBIs in a single series is one of the worst postseason players is a stretch. Yes .194/.299/.433 isn’t good but a .733 OPS is still pretty decent.
NoNeckWilliams
In back to back seasons when he was 29 and 30 (his prime) he was a combined 2 for 23 with no HRs and no RBIs (approx .300 OPS) against AZ and the Dodgers… the Cubs were big favorites against both teams but were swept in both series. I also recall him kicking the ball around the infield in big games.
bdpecore
It’s hard to blame Aramis for the Cubs demise in 2007 and 2008 since Alfonso Soriano hit even worse than A-Ram (3 for 28 with an OPS of .245) and only two of the six starters pitched made it past the fifth inning. It appears to me the whole team broke down not just one player.
NoNeckWilliams
I’m not blaming Ramirez for them losing those series… I am merely stating the FACT that he was a terrible post season performer in the prime of his career. That you point out the fact that Soriano was also terrible, does not negate my point in the least. Ted Lilly was throwing his mitt on the ground and all 4 infielders made errors in the same playoff game… we’ll probably never see that again. Dempster had won something like 14 or his previous 15 Wrigley Field starts before losing his start at home in the playoffs.
You are right that there is plenty of blame to go around, but my accurate point was that Aramis Ramirez was a terrible post season performer those two seasons. By the way, the season that the Cubs got swept by the Dodgers, I believe they led the league in both OPS and ERA.
bdpecore
No your original statement was that he was one of the worst postseason players of all time not just for those two seasons. I’m positive plenty of players have had good and bad postseasons just like Aramis. Someone like Vlad Guerrero could be classified as “all time” based on his dramatic splits over the course of his playing career (Career OPS .931, Postseason OPS .664). On a side note, I’m a huge fan of Vlad but the numbers do not lie.
bdpecore
You could also include Prince Fielder in the “all time” discussion when discussing recent players (Career OPS of .910, Postseason OPS .620).
wscaddie56
Ramirez has been solid for the crew but I wonder if the money is better spent on a more consistent bat at either 3b or 1b. I feel like there’s just too many guys that run hot and cold in the lineup. He, like Prince, is an anchor in the middle of a pretty good running lineup as well.
Phantom Stranger
I think a lot of teams would be in play at two years. There would be fewer teams willing to offer three years at his age.
blake
Great article on Ramirez.
daveineg
I’m a Brewer fan that’s seen Ramirez close up. I think he’s about done. He flashes his old self, but when the team really needed him down the stretch he was dreadful and looked old and tired. I hope he believes there are teams out there that will give him a two year $26-$30 million deal, because then he’ll turn his option down and save the Brewers the $4 million buyout. No way the Brewers offer him two years.