9:44pm: Chicago is waiting to see where they stand after their current series to decide whether to move Samardzija, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets.
6:28pm: The Blue Jays are showing the strongest interest in Jeff Samardzija of any interested team, reports Dan Hayes of CSN Chicago (Twitter link). The Giants, too, have recently checked in on Samardzija, according to Hayes.
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Toronto’s focus is said to be on the rotation, and they’ve been connected to Samardzija a number of times over the past week. Of course, the Jays are also said to be casting quite a wide net.
As for San Francisco, it’s still unclear whether the club is more than an opportunistic buyer for starters. Recent reports have indicated that the team would like to add a major arm, but may not be willing to extend itself to do so.
On the White Sox side of things, Hayes reported last week that the team is becoming “increasingly willing” to trade Samardzija, who is earning $9.8MM this season and is a free agent at year’s end. That being said, Chicago has still not given a “definitive signal” to other clubs that it will move Samardzija, Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com tweets.
With the Wild Card race still not completely out of reach, it seems that the White Sox may be taking things down to the wire. Then, there’s the fact that other, bigger chips may need to move (or be declared off-limits) before Samardzija can be marketed to his maximum value.
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Trade him while you can, Sox have no real shot of getting back into things with that mess of a team.
Well that’s wrong. If they do well vs the Red Sox they are right in it for the 2nd Wild Card
They have too many holes to fill and too many teams to pass to get the second wild card. Its in their best interest to trade him.
I want to trade him but they will probably only do it for major league ready players. Fits the 3 year plan and helps now. Plus look at all the other teams in line for the 2nd wild card. The loss column is not far apart on most of these teams.
Fits the 3 year plan? He’s a Free Agent in 3 months.
Read the first sentence again.
Gotcha. Just wasn’t very clear.
Yup, time to punt. The Twinkies are a lock. And there’s absolutely no way the White Sox can pass the roadblock of two teams that are a game and a half ahead of them.
Good to see there are still optimists in this world.
Trade him and any other FA’s (I’m not too sure who else they have) and then restock over the winter. Frees up some salary, helps strengthen the farm and then you can fill more holes through Free Agency for next year
That’s fine. He’s really the big one though. Maybe Alexei but he’s playing good baseball right now.
No need to trade him at all. Make a run for the second wild card, you have nothing to lose. Offseason try and sign him, bring up Fulmer and drop Danks and your rotation is sick. Worst comes to worse put in a qualifying offer for him and receive a high draft pick if he leaves
I know that Fulmer is on the fast track but is he even ready yet? I don’t think it’s a great idea to rush a kid to the big leagues just for the sake off an outside chance at a wildcard….
Never said to rush Fulmer this year. Said to bring him up next year much like Rodon. May not be opening day but will be early on.
Not to mention the likes of Erik Johnson, Montas, or Danish. Nice problem to have, 3 solid lefties.
While most teams have adopted analytics i feel like the white sox are still a team you can rob.
Rob is an overstatement maybe. Plus the analytics themselves can differ, and should if a team is to have any angle. Hahn has taken the team a but away from the Williams mold. I’m not sure how analytics play into prospects as strongly as players in the league.
I do feel that teams fail when they fall away from their own discipline, no matter what that might be.
All that said…the Sox seem to be missing on the subtle elements of analytical assessment… Whether that’s by design or failed attempt… I don’t know
Eaton for Santiago, Garcia and Montas for Peavy, Samardzija for nothing of consequence. I’ll take Rick Hahn’s trade record over a lot of his rivals.
yeah I’m with everlasting on this one. who exactly has robbed the sox in trades in recent years? developing players in the minors is one thing but many of those toolsy outfielders were drafted by kenny. Under Hahn the system has improved by leaps and bounds whether by trade or draft. The sox have always had major success with pitchers the only real question they always have in terms of development is with their hitters. To say you can rob the sox or that they are behind in the analytic side of the game is a pretty big stretch.
How exactly did they win eaton for santiago? Looks pretty even. Peavy was a good trade chip that brought garcia who has been negative war and montas who throws 100 bug might be bullpen only. Nothing of consequence for shark? Semien at 2b would have been a boost for there abysmal offense and chris bassit is a ml ready starter as evidenced by his sub 3 e.r.a. also revello is opsing over 900 in double a.
Eaton was a 5-win center fielder last year. Even if Santiago keeps up his pace this year, Eaton still has position scarcity on his side.
Fair point on the Peavy trade- a lot of us thought Avi would be better than this. But if you’re going to say the guys Hahn send to Oakland have value, then surely Montas does as well. Bassitt is 26 and has been just OK in his first crack at triple A. Could he be a back-end starter? Maybe, but the fact that he isn’t yet is telling. Ravelo is a first baseman without power. And Sox second basemen have been as bad as any team’s- just because Semien would be an upgrade there doesn’t mean he’s good. He is not.
Gio gonzalez and ryan sweeney for nick swisher is the one i remember the most.
Swisher trade was under kenny williams not Hahn. Ravelo had those numbers from extended spring not double a. He had 1 hr and 3 rbi. Semien has been awful and actually grades as one of the worst defenders in all of baseball and bassit has made 3 appearances. Since when is montas a bullpen arm??? He has been one of the best rhps in the minors the past 2 season and projects as a number 2 starter. Ill keep going if you need me to to refute more of your trash comments
I’m with you about the importance of a optimal analytics dept…but you have to know when you’re stretching.
Oh Come on, let’s talk Abreu!
It’s amazing to me that a guy with a lifetime ERA+ of 101 could be thought of as a “major arm.” The talent might be there, but the results aren’t Shark averages about 1 bWAR per 100 innings. Bumgarner is rougly 1.6, Cueto 1.8, Lester is close to 2, Felix 2 1/2 times, and Kershaw almost triple.
Well, it’s a relative term. At worst, he’s a solid and durable mid-rotation starter, and he’s shown more over stretches. For this website, which focuses exclusively on baseball transactions, that’s enough to make him a significant piece.
Not being critical of the article. Shark reminds me a little of Matt Garza, who was also often thought of as near-ace and also had some nice stretches. Same ratio of IP to bWAR, ERA+ of 104.
He is major compared to what they have. Look a t his last 8 games. Believe he has went at least 7 innings in all of them.
Few names being released in connection to shark on twitter two being pentecost and hoffman wonder the legitimacy behind that right now and if there are other players involved whether it be from the sox or jays
That really sounds like speculation to me. If AA wanted to trade Hoffman or Pentecost, Johnny Cueto would be on his way to Toronto right now. I’d love to get either one but that’s way too much to ask for Shark.
Idk. Cueto went for a package with 2 ml ready guys. Hoffman is nowhere near ready.
But Hoffman will be a stud TOR arm very very soon. May even get a September call up unless AA messes up and trades him.
Given what the A’s got for Kazmir I see AA giving up a package that would include 2 of Rowdy Tellez, Mitch Nay, Sean Reid-Foley or Dwight Smith Jr. at best. No more shark bait than that.
Hoffman, Boyd, and Alford/Tellez. The return for a quality rental seems to be worth a #60-80 prospect, a ML ready arm, and a lower level prospect with upside.
Zero chance of that one. I don’t think AA is moving the Hoff period and I seriously don’t see him going for 10-12 starts of a slightly above average MLB arm. Even if AA has been in shark love for years.
I agree about Hoffman. I think he’s as close to an untouchable in the Jays’ org as there is. Daniel Norris is probably being made available but perhaps only in return for a starter with control past 2015. I imagine Pentecost, Castro and Alford are the prospects AA would prefer to let go of for a rental. But obviously they aren’t going to land a Cueto-level starter.
Whats Pentecost’s timetable to return?
@dazedatnoon Apparently he suffered a setback in his throwing program recently and has been shut down again. Although I can’t find any info on whether it was serious or not.
last I heard jays were hoping for AFL. His injury is the main reason he’s available really so if hes traded could be an absolute steal for the team getting them. I know sox would love his potential instead of flowers
@john I’ve been saying it all along I really think it;s going to be a pentecost and one of the jays middle tier pitchers traded. At this point pentecost is a major lotto ticket with a popular name right now so people saying he is off limits are way off. There is no stats to support him being off limits
As he should. If Norris or Hoffman are involved in any deal unless its for a true ace pitcher, I would be thoroughly disappointed
Hoffman would only be available in a Price/Hamels deal, not Samardzija
Jeeze the Cubs only asked for hutch and pompey with a year and half of control, how can th price rise beyond that?
god, this has to frustrate sox fans like crazy. 2 good series against 2 of the worst teams in the league and all of a sudden you’re a contender? Makes absolute no sense to me. I can understand not throwing the towel in but I see no way the sox win a 1 game wild card against the twins, rangers, or jays even with sale on the mound because the offense has been atrocious until the past 2 series.
Normally would agree with you about abandoing reason and mortgaging the future for a 1 game playoff. Why I think the Cubs should be careful before trading from their treasure trove of prospects for the lottery ticket opportunity of a one and done. But that’s not really the calculation for Rick and Kenny. It really comes down to which is better, an offer for a 2 month rental or the sandwich pick. If the Jays or Dodgers overpay, great. The Sox could always try for Shark in free agency. But silly to think they’d be vulnerable in a 1 game, or short series. The Sox would actually be most dangerous in this setting.
maybe if toronto stopped offering a catcher that can’t throw straight up for him the sox would be listening
Navarros sensitive about his weight bro, relax
Because winning against the 2015 Boston Red Sox is the true sign of a contender…
Yeah, it’s a shame they ducked the competition by scheduling the Red Sox this late. This will certainly result in a big hit to their RPI, and will not sit well with the committee
There is optimism and then there is realism. If the Sox looked good in the past three seasons, but just not this first half, Id say wait. However Robin led teams have a track record of bad defense, bad base running, and bad hitting. Plus if you keep Shark you still have the holes at Catcher, DH (interesting that the Sox score 10 runs without LaRoche in the lineup isn’t it?), and in the rotation with Danks. The Sox are not beating up on the Royals here, lets face it they are beating up on other below average teams. If they can get at least 2 prospects for Samardzjia trade him. I was hoping Danks would have had a good start last night and maybe you could have traded him too.
The rotation slot is not a hole. Relative to other #5s, Danks is passable, and they can look forward to Johnson, Montas, or Danish, allowing Fulmer to develop. Still see them scuffling at 3rd and LF long term, don’t think Thompson or Davidson are near ready, so would also agree with landing something substantive for Shark. As for below average teams, much of their upcoming schedule is below avg teams. That’s the state of the AL wildcard race. The Sox simply have to chase down a Twins team that’s running out of gas, and then hang with other sub .500 clubs. 84 wins might do it, and then a match up with a green Houston team