The Marlins’ managerial search is in full effect after the team formally announced that Dan Jennings would not return to the dugout and has been asked to rejoin the front office. To this point, it’s known that Larry Bowa, Manny Acta and Bo Porter are candidates for the Marlins, who are said to prefer someone with previous managerial experience.
Here’s the latest on their search…
- Mattingly’s interview went well, tweets Frisaro, who says it may simply be time for the sides to talk numbers and work out the terms of employment. Bowa, meanwhile, appears to be out of the running after agreeing to return as the Phillies’ bench coach.
- Jackson reports that the Dodgers wouldn’t be responsible for the $1.6MM that Mattingly would’ve earned in 2016 if he receives a new managerial job that pays him more than that figure. Mattingly wants assurances that he can hire his own coaches, which the Marlins are willing to grant, and he also wants financial security with a new deal. As Jackson notes, Loria has shown a willingness to spend generously on managers that appeal heavily to him.
- Mattingly is interviewing with the Marlins today, reports MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro (via Twitter). FOX’s Jon Morosi notes (also on Twitter) that if Mattingly is hired by Miami, his 2016 salary would be subject to being offset due to the fact that Mattingly is still under contract with the Dodgers.
- Mattingly has interest in the Marlins’ job, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports. Miami will likely reach out to him to open discussions within “the next few days,” per the report. Because the sides have yet even to meet, Jackson says it would be premature to call the match-up a done deal. But he echoes the other reports suggesting that Mattingly is the front-runner to become the next Miami skipper.
- Don Mattingly will hit the open market after parting ways with the Dodgers, and the Marlins have often been said (see here and here) to have keen interest in him. That is indeed still the case, as MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro tweets. Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com says (on Twitter) that the Fish have “serious” interest, explaining that their managerial search has been on “semi-hold” while waiting to see what would happen in Los Angeles.
- Nevin has also received two interviews, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today, who calls Mattingly a “favorite” for the position now that he’s free to join any club.
- Bowa is taking his second interview with the Fish on Oct. 24, Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com reports on Twitter. Currently the Phillies bench coach, Bowa has previously skippered the Padres (1987-1988) and Phillies (2001-2004).
- Among the candidates in Miami is Alex Cora, who’ll receive an interview. But reports indicate that the organization may prefer to wait until the Dodgers decide on Don Mattingly to make their own hire. Mattingly would make for an appealing candidate to the Fish.
- The Marlins have received permission from the Diamondbacks to interview Triple-A manager Phil Nevin, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports on Twitter. His interview will come tomorrow and be backed by a “strong endorsement” from D-Backs GM Dave Stewart, Nightengale adds. While Nevin lacks Major League managing experience, he’s been a very successful minor league manager and has been oft-regarded as a future big league skipper over the past couple of seasons.
- The current coaching staff will have the opportunity to get some face time with whichever candidate the team elects to hire, president of baseball operations Michael Hill told reporters, including the Miami Herald’s Clark Spencer (Twitter link). Spencer adds in a followup tweet, however, that everyone on the coaching staff has also been granted the permission to seek opportunities in other organizations, should they wish to do so.
geez, to be told to seek opportunities in other organizations probably means the marlins wont be rehiring.
I’m not sure that’s true. I think it’s more like they want their “experienced manager” to be able to hire their own coaches. Personally, I would have to imagine that Perry Hill and Lenny Harris at least are will welcome in Miami.
No Dusty Baker mention? It’s empty, like how he prefers his basepaths.
Miami would be a great fit for Baker. He has an exemplary track record of ruining some of the games best arms…
Larry Bowa? If you’re going retro, see if Mike Hargrove still has the itch. At least it’s only been 8 years since he managed.
Bowa is a very smart baseball man.
No nonsense kinda guy. However not sure he fits in Miami.
They hired that loser Guillen who knows (and knew) nothing, plus insulted 1/4 of Miami’s population before the 1st game of the season was played. I’d love to see a no nonsense guy like Bowa hired and really.. Think he might be someone Loria is seeking more than the FO people for just that reason.
I seriously didn’t know until all these managerial searches started that people think that somehow Dusty Baker ruined Prior and Wood.
Wood may have always been fragile, but Dusty apparently didn’t realize that…he definitely didn’t do Prior’s career any favors…
And after he left the Cubs he wrecked Aaron Harang in Cinci,(when Harang was actually a pretty good pitcher), so he clearly doesn’t learn from his mistakes
But the Marlins always did like big names to distract people while Loria picks the fans pockets, so maybe he is a good fit there
Now we’re blaming Dusty Baker for Aaron Harang? The 565 innings he pitched the two seasons before Baker took over proooooobably had more to do with it than the never-200-again he pitched after.
i’m blaming Dusty for Harang, yes. The injury problems started the same year Dusty obviously over-worked him early in the year. You can call that coincidence, or try to… but as a Cubs fan who clearly remembers screaming at the TV on multiple occasionally when he’d run Prior out way past the point where Prior was gassed, it’s sort of a pattern of Baker’s.
You can do whatever you want of course, but i’ve yet to hear anyone come up with any examples showing ol’ Dusty is any good at managing a pitchers workload… or especially good at anything else, for that matter
Dusty did not ruin any arms.
Thank you Playtown. These guys that keep spewing that nonsense make me SICK! I’ve yet to hear ONE specific thing that Dusty, or ANY manager did to ruin a Starting Pitchers arm or career. PLEASE show me some PROOF. I will look forward to seeing the evidence or facts
it has, actually, been explained to you… you’re just too much like Dusty to understand how consistently making pitchers throw 100+ pitches over 5-6 innings and then sending them back out because they’re starters and should go 7 is bad for their health. especially young pitchers like Mark Prior and those who have already had TJ like Kerry Wood. Just because back in his day pitchers were considered soft if you couldn’t hear the bone chips rattling around in their elbows doesn’t mean that’s still the case.
there’s also the case of Aaron Harang, whom Dusty had throw 180 pitches over the span of 3 days in the middle of July for games that weren’t ‘must wins’… the arm injuries that derailed Harang’s career started that very same season… but i’m sure that’s all coincidence…
heck, for the fun of it, why don’t we try listing all the great pitchers that developed under Dusty? might save us some time.
Then there’s his dumb statements denigrating the entire concept of OBP (because more baserunners mean less chances to steal bases… his words, not mine) and his inability to keep his players from letting their emotions get the better of them (the REAL cause of the Cubs ’03 implosion, not Bartman)… yeah, Dusty’s just not a very good manager.
Seriously, if you don’t believe me, just google ‘dusty baker quotes’ and you’ll see he’s completely out of touch with modern baseball.
I had to look up a few incidents you mention and wow Harang was livid with the fact his forearm started tightening up immediately after throwing 4 innings of relief on 3 days rest… IN an extra innings game in MAY!
He was actually a 4-6WAR pitcher from 2005-2007 and until that point in his 2008 season he had a 3.50ERA(3.91FIP) over 11 starts. After that relief outing he posted a 5.79ERA(5.44FIP) over 18 starts!
What about his numbers from 2002-2005?? GOOD try though! Had good Numbers in couple hrs ago, though.
Petrie…. How many games have you managed
probably as many as you. But then i’m also not a doctor, but i still know not to eat spoiled food or drink drain cleaner… so yeah, let’s not trot out that stupid argument, shall we?
And yes, please, let us look at his numbers from ’02-’05… how many WS did he win, exactly?
because my point, which has not changed at all, is that even back in ’05 he wasn’t a championship caliber manager… and since then sabermetrics have gone from a fringe theory to accepted baseball truth… so why, exactly, would anyone think he’s gotten any better since then?
especially when since then all he’s done is take good teams to early playoff exits… color me unimpressed.
Well with that logic you should blame Bochy for the downward spiral or Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain and soon to be Bumgarner. Seeming a how he used all 3 in the same way you say Baker used Prior, Wood and Harang.
except chronic arm injuries didn’t derail the careers of anybody you mentioned… so yeah, besides that one glaring, obvious difference that completely undermines the counter-argument to the point of uselessness it’s exactly the same.
So you’re saying being overworked is only a negative when it results in chronic arm issues? Tell me how well Limcecum and Cain have pitched since the Giants rode them through the playoffs in 2010… You don’t have to be hurt to be ineffective or have someone say the workload they were given was far too much for them to be successful in the following seasons.
As I replied elsewhere, Aaron Harang pitched 565 innings in the two years prior to Dusty Baker taking over as Reds manager. Laying all that blame on Dusty isn’t honest, regardless of whether or not he should have pitched him like he did.
Kerry Wood already had TJ before Baker was with the Cubs, so it’s not like he was in the best of health; there was clearly something going on, mechanically or otherwise, that was hurting him. Heck, 15 years after Kerry Wood had TJ we’re still discussing whether or not the Mets should limit Matt Harvey’s innings. I happen to be firmly in the “less workload is good” camp, but it’s hardly settled science.
Oh, and ’03? The inability of the players to control their emotions WAS the cause of their implosion. Let’s pretend Bartman did something wrong, which even Moises Alou admits once he was outside the heat of the moment that he did not. How does that make Mark Prior–probably the best pitcher in baseball that year–uncork a wild pitch on his very next pitch? How does it cause Alex Gonzalez, who led the league in fielding percentage at shortstop, to misplay a routine grounder two batters later? How is it responsible for Prior and Farnsworth being unable to get another out? The Marlins had scored ZERO runs in the game until that point. They walked out of the inning with eight. And let’s not forget, we had co-ace Kerry Wood on the mound the next night. Blaming Bartman is absolutely ludicrous even if you start from the assumption that he ever did anything wrong in the first place.
Look, I’m really not here to defend Dusty. He makes some bone-headed decisions and statements–your OBP quote is a perfect example–and I doubt he’s the best choice to manage any club at this point. But that also doesn’t mean that people aren’t too in love with their narrative of him ruining pitchers. Injuries happen. They happen to pitchers a lot. There have been 25 TJ surgeries in 2015 alone, not counting any other pitcher injuries. Are we blaming Bob Melvin for ruining pitchers with Parker having a third TJ? The Royals lost three players to TJ this season (Crow, Holland, Collins). Are we blaming Ned Yost for ruining pitchers? Did Bochy ruin Lincecum and Cain?
Or maybe these kind of things just happen.
@petrie000 So you’re saying being overworked is only a negative when it results in chronic arm issues? Tell me how well Limcecum and Cain have pitched since the Giants rode them through the playoffs in 2010… You don’t have to be hurt to be ineffective.
I’m still sad that Mattingly isn’t managing the Dodgers (Giants fan here, BTW).
Next headline: Marlins offer Mattingly 3-year contract, heavily backloaded, makes Dodgers pay virtually all of 2016 salary.
Downrated for truth!
Downrated for complaining about being downrated.
Downrated for complaining about complaining about being downrated.
Isn’t he still under contract for 2016?
Yes but if the terms described above are accurate, he’d have to be paid more than $1.6M by another team in 2016 or the Dodgers are responsible for his full salary for the year. So if the Marlins offer him, say, three years for $6M, they can backload the contract to 2017-18 and stick the Dodgers for all of 2016.
So not only are they going take the mistake of making Don Mattingly the manager, now they’re getting rid of Perry Hill and Chuck Hernandez? Even more of a bad situation if that’s the case.
i heard that they want to keep hil,but i don’t know about chuck
What about Ron Washington, He already reached two world series, is great motivating guys and open to new ideas. Is there a chance?
Mattingly has a great head for baseball, not sure the real reason he left LA, but he’d be a great manager anywhere. I think if he keeps himself surrounded by a great staff, all on the same page, he’d be a fantastic asset wherever he lands.
The real reason? Somebody had to take the blame for front office mismanagement, and it wasn’t going to be the front office.
I usually respect your sometimes contrary views, but your ignorance towards Mattingly’s complete inability to manage a game is astounding.
There’s definitely a blame game going on, but not the kind you’re thinking of.
Wow, talk about your left-handed complements.
Irony alert: both the FO and Mattingly claim that they had no differences over in-game management. Friedman and Zaidi say he was completely open to their input on pitching match-ups, defensive shifting, lineups, and the like. So what it boils down to is this: Mattingly followed their advice, and when it didn’t work out, he shouldered the blame. So even if you don’t count the FO’s failures in the trading department (and why would you not count them?) you still have their failures in supplying Mattingly with intelligence that wins ballgames. He’s gone, but they are still here.
In blame games, the people at the top rarely have to wear it. A story as old as the world.
The real reason is that Mattingly and the Dodgers FO didn’t see eye to eye, and they weren’t going to keep him around anyway.
Not according to anything any of the involved people has actually said.